Which Coffee Machine Is Better?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- What's the difference? It's a very common question that we get asked with our customers looking to choose between the La Marzocco GS3 and the Linea Mini. In this video we answer that question in a side by side comparison.
At their core the GS3 is modeled off it's big sister the La Marzocco Strada and the Linea Mini is modeled from the La Marzocco Linea Classic. In the video Luke tells you which machine he thinks suits an espresso drinker and which machine suits a person who prefers milk based coffee.
We hope you enjoy the video and it helps you make a more informed decision if you are looking to purchase one of these machines.
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Great video, explains everything, I have the mini and the Mazzer Lux D grinder, braw set up.
Thank you for posting this.
Kind regards from Scotland 🏴
Johnny
Very informative and brief Great ! Thanks
Beautiful review Thanks La marzocco gs3 av ❤❤❤
Great introduction. I bought the GS3 AV two weeks ago - totally agree what you're recommending. Shouldn't you comment the pre-infusion possibilty of the GS3 AV? THX
Thanks for the breakdown ~ you've got me hankering for a GS3 now (OMG).
Hahah, they are really nice
Since you mentioned customisation you could have also say that there is an add-on kit for the Liner Mini that adds a needle valve that allows true pre infusion, similar to Slayer.
And there's also a gear pump mod that allows pressure profiling on Linea Mini😂
Brilliant as always!
Thank you
Love love the GS3. I’ve been using the AV for my pop-ups. Absolutely amazing!
I've been eyeing the GS3 for a while now but for now i'm just using the Milesto EM23. Awesome review btw!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Great review! Other upgrades for both of those machines are silicon group gaskets and precision shower screen, as the LM ones who came in the machines are just ok. I have the mini and I'm pretty happy for black coffee too. If you have good puck prep and dialled recipe you'll be amazed by the espresso quality.
Yes, spot on, so many additional accessories , I mean extras, or essentials, or what ever words we use to justify our coffee spending habits. 😂
Thanks for making another video on the GS3 mp.Finally decided to order mine now, after long time considerating. Ill have to wait a bit for it though, as im moving to a new apartment in the fall, so it will be opened in a brand new kitchen aswell. Hoping it will be the star of the kitchen along with the grinder hehe
Congratulations, it will be a wonderful experience. Happy brewing 🤙🏻
Yeah, same here. Kitchen underway. No way do I want a new machine until the kitchen is finished.
love watching these videos knowing full well I couldn't afford either one
That’s what makes them more fun! We must all have dreams.
These machines do not have e61 brew heads/groups. E61 is not a saturated brew head. Other than that awesome video.
Yep. Meant to say 58mm like a e61 to reference group size. we keep it real, mistakes and all. 🤜🏻
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters
I was wondering if you meant 58mm! Thanks for the clarification.
Dream machines 😍
La Marzocco's groupheads are from now on E61s. GS3 is superior because of heritage. Awesome video man.
Thank you. I enjoyed doing it as I had used both loved sharing the info
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters He was mocking you, man.
I have read that teflon is used on the new Micra steam wand to prevent heat when touching them, do both of these units also use teflon in their steam wands? I see plastic tubing in the Mini, does hot water pass through the plastic tubing and end up in the coffee? Great video, thanks!
Hey :) I don’t think the groups on those machines are E61.
Also the E61 is not a saturated group head
Yeah their own website doesn’t make that claim, the GS3 they refer to as MP or saturated and the Mini they say integrated.
@@greysuit17 That's correct :)
The mini has an integrated group head and the GS3 has a semi saturated group head
Hello, Q: Can both be used in a commercial setting?
Hey Luke, shout out from Los Angeles! Thanks for the awesome content like always! I’ve learned so much from watching your videos!
Quick question:
Im currently looking at the Linea Mini for a coffee trailer. What do you think? Can the Linea Mini handle commercial use? Or should I be looking else where ?
It can handle it, you just have to ensure you have good filtered water. Also the group head is low so you can’t do 16oz takeaway coffee easily. A trailer is slower than a cafe, so it will give great quality, but may under the pump run low on steam
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Thanks!
Both are amazing machine but there some things that La Marzocco Linea Mini is better: first the steaming is more powerful and stable (some Baristas call the Beast Machine), second the Mini is better repeatable amazing coffee shots (in 9 BARS), third the cost of the ownership is way less on Mini. I made this research for months and end with Mini, now have the preinfusion option (plumb in) with 3 BARS for few seconds and then up to 9 BARS. Last, the design of Mini for me looks better.
Linea mini is my dream machine 😍
6:58 - The Linea Mini has a *3.5l* steam boiler, not 3l. Both GS3 and Linea Mini have the same size steam boiler.
Hmmmm. I checked the specs in their downloads, so maybe they wrote it wrong. 👍🏻
I’d share links, but UA-cam won’t let me! It’s on their lamarzoccousa website under specs as well as in the product sheet. Hope that helps!
2:03 - you said they have E61 group heads? 🤔
that's ok. every stupid is entitled to comment. It is open to the public, probably he is a bot or a shoesmith and never had coffee in his entire life.
Interesting video. The GS3 is old tech now and with the micra and the new mini-r now released its prime for an update soon.
It needs programmable profiling to compete with the modern profile machines that serious home enthusiasts want it also needs to waste less water
Hey Artisi team, could you make a video on the equipments that a new small cafe can invest in? There are so many brands and equipments out there that it's driving me nuts trying to understand which is good and which isn't very good.
Yes, so much choice, thru our videos we use the same gear, differ brands of this product types would be fine to use, but it depends on the quality and the budget you have
Just bought my Linea Mini!!!!
Congrats Roel! 🙂
@@Jaroslav. Thanks a lot, it’ll be delivered tomorrow morning together with a Mazzer Mini Electronic A! Super excited!!
Excellent choice!
Awesome! Congratulations!!! You will love it. Happy brewing 🤙🏻
What about maintenance on the two espresso machine. I have heard comments that the Linea Mini requires less maintenance than the GS3 ? What about durability etc?
They both need great water filtration. The MP gs3 head is really the only difference in the maintenance cost, the seal kits for it allowing the variable pressure
Would you recommend the Linear for home use for beginner enthusiast ?
Or is it over kill for home use? Estimated 4-5cups per day.
It’s a great machine, if it fits the budget you will love it. There are great options in lower price point machines as well for about $3k if that is in the budget
Would you please make a video on a milk steaming comparison between the Mini and the GS3? Why the mini has a better steaming than the GS3 even though the GS3 is more expensive??
They have the same boiler, but o think the short steam wand on the mini is allowing less moisture buildup and being a shorter wand it’s more responsive
Very well described 👊🏻, not sure we can say « entry level » for a Lamarzocco though … 😆
No, just a lm entry level at $7k 😂
It was initially a hard decision for me, lastly i went with the linea mini and saved that 3grand on a ek43!!
Nice
My Flair 58 can control pressure actively through a shot and costs way way less than either of these lol
What would the capacity of both thes be for small scale commercial operations. such as shops/guesthouses or micro cafes? what sort of output can they do per day? Thanks for any info on this.
The gs3 is pretty much a single head coffee machine, it can go as quick and you can make them. So 30 cups per hour, the mini has the smaller front boiler and will be a bit slower in the recovery process so maybe 20
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters thanks for this. how does it compare to like a standard truly commercial machine like a classic or PB what do you think their hourly capacity would be of those?
I get the impression they will phase out the linea mini in favour of the micra. or they may rebrand the Mini as commercial machine for small setups like shops and guesthouses and things like that.
Luckily I got my customized Linea Mini at the start of Covid fully customized and shipped with a custom knockbox and additional bottomless portafilter for around $5500 US / A brand new one now is just under $6000 without any customization or extras!!!!!! The GS3 base is $9500 US for the manual! As much as I love everything the GS3 has to offer I'm still happy with my Linea Mini because if and when I want I could for cheaper send it off and have it modded for Pressure Profiling / Pre-Infusion / Shot Timer and do all of that for significantly cheaper or even less if you want to do that yourself. To fully Mod a mini it's going to run you roughly another $1500 on top of your base price
MIni with the Slayer mod or new pre infusion is better than GS3.
Can you use these two for small cafe (100-150cups a day)?
The Gs3 would suit better as it has the larger front boiler. The mini group head is a little lower for large cups and is a bit harder to see the shots. For that volume I would go to the classic
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters thank you! ❤️
I think GS3 can only do flow profiling instead of the pressure profiling. The pedal controls the water flow via the needle valve. Small flow means the pressure is going to be built up slower.
The needle is a bypass valve, all coffee machines start at 1 bar then go up to 9 bar, there is a moment in the water hitting the puck that has to make back pressure to then build up in the puck and group handle. Then it will be bypassed at the pressure you choose from the needle valve
Is the steam from the mini better than the gs3?
Yes, Mini is the best steamer espresso from La Marzocco
I assume you’re not suggesting the Mini is better at steaming than the Mini? Like, surely the GS3 can do milk-based coffees without difficulty?
Probably both excellent machines. I think the mini is showing its age. It needs a timer for one thing. Yes a very insignificant item but machines half the cost have it. I have heard complaints about the temperature dial. The gauges are almost hidden. I personally believe a dial for the steam wand is not as good as a lever. It's a premium machine that should not cost as much as it does.
Are you really staring at a pressure gauge every time you pull a shot? Are you changing the temperature fives times a day? Does changing it in the app ruin your day? Need a timer in your face because you don't use scales? Get a Rocket man, get your E61 that isn't showing it's age. Get a Bianca.
@@jurgenzielmann1108 I have an ECM Synchronika. I agree with all of your points. Except when you seem to be dismissive of the utility of my suggestions. There are the extreme modifications allowed by Decent to others that are starting to offer flow control as well as pressure and temperature changes but they are all difficult to change because they are hidden. Espresso companies appear to want to offer more user control but it all gets hidden.
I have a scale and it will display the timer. Knowing the timer should start once the lever is pulled it makes sense to be on the PID display.
Some of it is convenience and others have to do with giving the user more flexibility.
There we go - the Decent card. I knew it! Well that's the good news for you, there's a Decent. Or a GS3 MP, it has a shot timer and it has a gauge almost (sorry for repeating the expression) right in your face. Or under our chin. Depends how high your machine sits, maybe a Linea could sit perfectly high enough for you to see the pressure gauge.
Your suggestions are excellent and valid, it's what you want and I have to respect that. But leave the little Linea alone man, you're not the target audience for the machine. Saying a machine shows it's age because it doesn't have a timer for one thing is wicked.
Don't be looking at other machines and point what they don't have or have in a way that isn't a Decent. The Linea mini does not show it's age, it's perfect for a certain type of businesses and individuals who are beyond happy pulling from anywhere from 3 to hundreds of shots daily with extreme consistency. Or maybe it indeed shows it's age in how well it ages.
Personally I'd think the Linea Mini should have AV option available, or ABR. Hell both GS3 and Linea Mini should be available with ABR, but that costs money and would mean a whole different machine at a different price range for a whole different use case. For someone who may not want these features but would need to pay for them regardless. If you're looking for features, you need to look elsewhere. La Marzocco is highly educated and innovative company in the engineering field, they could make these exactly as you/me want, but they also know very well who these machines are for.
We're good! We're both right, or wrong, there's a machine for everyone.
@@jurgenzielmann1108 I agree there is a machine for everyone. I also believe I am a target audience for the mini. I never put it down. I acknowledged it is a premium machine.
My reason for commenting. We need good competition in order for these companies to stay relevant. I never meant to imply the Decent is the ultimate machine. I only mentioned it to say there are different levels of customization. I could make the same comment about the Synchronika. Don't mess with an excellent espresso machine. Except I hope they mess with it to keep it current. You are taking my comments as attacking your machine. That is not my intent. I hope all the top tier companies continue to innovate. If they don't then we lose.
Yes man, I'm trying to stay unbiased here and sorry for coming across offended! I didn't mean to. I don't own a Linea Mini, or a GS3 (yet?). I used to own a Classic and had a chance to pull shots with the Mini frequently at some point in time. It's excellent, I have not seen a domesticated machine that can do what the Mini does at a level of a Classic. The Classic didn't have a shot timer on display, it didn't really matter. That was back then, I know we're going forward but oh that nostalgic feeling of a Classic at home calls my name. I love how simple, how little there is to it yet the cup it makes so...majestic! I appreciate Decent for bringing a Decent to the people who need it. I'd be very ignorant of me dismiss people's lust for more control. I appreciate other manufacturers, but the Linea mini hits me differently that all those other machines. Anyways, I think you know what I mean...
Have a good day/evening!
Let me tell you something. regarding the Linea Mini, I dont understand the OFF/ON lever which is basically an OFF/ON button hidden behinds this sophistication and complexity of a cheap machine that takes over the whole work in brewing an expresso coffee. Just replace that gigantic piece of a lever with a little switch and that's it. But maybe LM is trying to window dress its cheap products and makes it look like a commercial machine, that's a different subject.
it,s the original switch design on the linea classic, it,s an iconic look. and yes its a switch, but who really want to push a button when you can slide into a great espresso. 😂
Are these so expensive because of the La Marzocco name alone? Seems like there are comparable options just as good quality for way cheaper.
Because of the name that has certain technology patented. Technology that makes superior quality espresso. Comparable options such as? You can't compare these with your domestic E61 rockets or lelits, skip those. What's left? You can compare it to a two group Linea classic that costs twice as much and actually DOES produce very comparable results. I bet it's because of the name. Lol 😄
@@jurgenzielmann1108 Decent, Londinium, ECM, Simonelli, QuickMill…. There are quite a few better alternatives for the money. I’m not sure their patented tech is so much better that for the money the espresso it makes is leaps ahead better. Especially for a home scenario. To each their own but if I was going to splurge I’d get a Faeme e61 Jubilee just because they look cool and most definitely makes just as good shots like and handful of other machines I mentioned. The La Marzocco fan boy train doesn’t do it for man. Just to note I’ve worked with a Strada and had friends in the industry with the GS3 and mini and know about all their short comings. Don’t kid yourself that it’s the perfect machines.
In what way better exactly? And better for whom?
@@jurgenzielmann1108 Decent I’d argue can pull the best shot because of all the profiling options especially for the money. Flow profiling on the others more than competes with the saturated group head. Lever machines are fantastic if you want to put in the work. If it’s for home use that’s up to the buyer to decide. If it’s for a cafe than quality goes down and really it doesn’t matter except consistency and ease of use and speed.
@@greysuit17 If you're answering your own question than you just commented for bait. Different things matter to different people. Why do people buy Rolex's? IPhones? These are machines with commercial parts from a manufacturer with a long history. Go to most Thirdwave shops and a large majority of them are using LM. All e61's have their own shortcomings and the Decent's design and sound it makes are awful. Then there's the LM Home service, for the less handy that's quite useful.
The mini only looks like a linea classic. But both the GS3 and all commercial lineas feature true saturated groups, large brew boilers, welded goosenecks. The linea mini and mirca's tiny 170ml boiler is unique to these little home machines. The mini and mirca share nothing about their internals with a real linea classic or pb.
Could you use these commercially for a portable cafe?
Flathead screws? 😒
Yes in the top front plate and face plate only, it looks nicer.
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters guess most people never take them off - flat heads are like a guaranteed slip and scratch to me 😬
Yes, you have to very careful, I have never slipped with them. 🤭
both have saturated E61 heads? lol makes me think he doesnt know his stuff...
It’s another way to say it’s a 58mm head. It’s saturated but not the e61 specific design. But yes, it did come across odd. Sorry
Questions? I have a question. Can I have your Linea Mini since you don't need it any more? 😂🤣
It’s will be covered in timber soon and then for sale! 🤙🏻
I am sorry, the app doesn't do much like a manual control. It is like driving a Tesla with an Auto Pilot on a bumpy road while the car is cruising on 60 MPH. Espresso machines operates the same way. That's my opinion, Ask Gru. Am I right, my little minions? I think I am right, No?
its a record of data, not a control app, it will evolve in the future
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters I dont want to record dada
too fussy on water minerals. it'll choke like a princess if its not just the right balance of h2o mineralization. this sort of analism is a massive fail. my 10 yr old la scala butterfly made espresso just as good without the princessism on Linea. So pass. this mini is just for fools with more money the sense.
Yes all new machines have smaller restrictiors in them to increase water pressures and flow, they will block up if filteration is addressed
La scala? yes indeed, it is anti corrosion tank. No shit
La Ferrari of ☕️ machines 🔥
Spot on!!
Would love to see the review on one group Strada Ep
Sure, it’s on the cards. Just have not had one in the shop for a while