@TruthEvangelit doesnt look like anything. It is invisible! Same as the holy ghost who lives in you! You can't see him but you know by fsith he is there amen!
Impossible. The gift or gifts are received at conversion not later on. Dr Brown teaches a "not another gospel", Galation double cursed pronounced gospel. He preaches Christ cannot save you to the uttermost.
Im up to 36:44 and I have to say that I thought I knew this topic well but Dr Brown has made some really interesting points that I have never heard before. Its quite a good discussion. Glad you got him on Cory. I actually listen to Dr Michael Brown a lot these days.
I have abit different interpretation than Brown, but my experience is like his lol. Prolly got the same thing. Well That is I have spoken one word that was a real word confirmed by my wife in another earthly language. I may have done it also multiple times (where others are not present). My tongues have been different at times and there is like 7000 earthly languages (?). I think U can speak both earthly languages and what dr Brown thinks. But what we see is more usual, is what he says.
I would disagree. He is intellectually dishonest. He’s redefined tongues to fit his false experience. His points are only right if the definition of tongues has changed to some mystery language. Nonetheless, from my perspective, he lacks contextual integrity and chooses to adapt his interpretation of scripture to his own false experiences. If you go back to his old teachings, he has veered far off from where he started. He now associates with heretics and false teachers. As the the old adage goes, you hang with dogs you’ll get fleas.
I'd love to see you do a response video with your thoughts on this debate! I am honestly at a point where I want someone to convince me to stop, and Corey has come close but he has too many holes in his tongues systematic. Blessings brother
@@givethanks6714 yes absolutely! Over the past 2 years I have gone through all of my beliefs and have been trying to get someone to show me where I am wrong..I am constantly listening to opposing viewpoints so that I can be sharpened....but I still haven't found a convincing argument or hermeneutic that shows me tongues are not for today or shouldn't be used privately. So far I have stepped away from WOF (some parts are valid in balance) prosperity gospel, pre- trib rapture, slight change on in women in ministry, how to understand prayer, and changed my understanding of free will (I'm not reformed) among other things....I am not quite as free acting on tongues and gifts as I once was, but no one has solid evidence against it in general. I have determined that if something is clearly wrong according to scripture then I won't do it and I will submit.
I went to a gathering one night and a woman started to speak in tongues and there was a visitor there that understood what she was saying. The visitor was in shock because she was speaking in his language which was High German. He stood up with tears streaming down his face. He received Christ that night. Other times, when someone spoke in tongues, there was always someone that stood up to interpret right after. In my own experience, I pray in tongues in private, but there was one occasion while I was a missionary in Thailand and I went to visit a northern hilltribe. My translator could not understand or interpret for me, but the Holy Spirit spoke through me to a woman in her hut and she accepted Jesus. The whole tribe was gathered around and listening including the chief. Many of them came to Jesus too.
@@tomtemple69I am so glad you asked! Forgive my long reply in conveying my response to you. Other than the multiple witnesses from the team I led there, and most importantly, the Holy Spirit speaking to me, later on during our stay, my liason joined us. He was unable to come sooner. He is a Thai Christian and escorted us as far up the mountain as his pickup truck could take us. He had been working with that hilltribe previously and returned with a generator and sound system so we could reach a wider audience and have a worship concert for the entire village. He spoke the tribe's dialect and Thai. He translated through my translator what the chief and other tribe members excitedly had to say to me. (Specifically, with regards to their conversions.) One of the people I spoke of in my initial comment was an older woman that was dedicated to demonic spirits while in her mother's womb, and she had tight string bracelets all the way up her arm, each representing an annual rededication as an offering to these spirits on behalf of her family. The tribe would also leave 'gifts' out to appease the spirits, so they would leave them alone. She let me cut those strings off of her arm and burn them while I sat with her in her hut immediately after she received the Holy Spirit. I was told that it was their belief that if she removed them, she would drop dead. This was conveyed to me by the Holy Spirit while it was happening, but confirmed later by my liason as well when he came to the village. In the past, they had witnessed instant death as a result with other individuals when someone messed with cutting those strings off. If they didn't leave offerings to the spirits, other bad things would befall their village. The following day, a large group of us trekked to a watering hole and baptised those that received Jesus. I have photos. To get to this village, after my liason took us up the mountain in his pickup as far as we could go, the Holy Spirit led us the rest of the way. We had to trek through rice paddies infested with snakes, climb mountains with burned forests, and cross all kinds of other terrain to get there. I only had my Bible, a manual 35mm camera, another shirt and some concentrated soap to wash my clothing. I had to walk with these items on my head when wading through the rice paddies. When God has a plan, even language barriers are no longer an issue. I had to rely 100% on the Holy Spirit as my translator and guide most of the time. I just go in faith as a willing vessel where He sends me, and trust Him to take care of the details. If I could post the photos here, I would.
@@tomtemple69 To come to Christ is to be saved or born again. In order to be born again one must have recieved the Holy Spirit because the Word says," He that hath not the Spirit of Christ are none if his"( Rom.8:9). How, in Acts ch.10, did Peter and the six with him know that the gentiles had come to Christ "." Can any man forbid baptism to these who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we did"? How did the jews know that the gentiles had recieved the Holy Spirit ? Because they spoke in tongues just as they did when they recieved.
@@tomtemple69 Speaking in tongues occurs only after water baptism. Simply put, during the remission of sins thst occurs buring water baptism the " temple" of our bodies are cleansed. The temple of our body is cleansed as we pass through the baptismal water by the Holy Spirit and be abuse of the shed blood of Christ so that the Holy Spirit can take up permanent residence in our body. According to scripture, the only evidence given that a believer has recieved the Holy Spirit when they recieve is the speaking in tongues ( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19). Just as natural birth is the end result of a process so is spiritual rebirth.
Amen. This is shocking to me that Christians can't understand that we serve a supernatural God. We will never have all the answers. But to tell us to quit speaking in tongues or that it means nothing but gibberish is borderline blasphemy.
Amen, he says what I found to be true, I can't get away from the text and the thing that seems foolish to non believers is many times the very thing God uses to separate us from the world and make us peculiar. Thirdly, I find resistance to something so rudimentary to be a proud issue at its core.
@Mark Horn No the resistance comes from being biblically literate. Tongues in scripture were always human languages the scriptures gibberish speakers use to justify the gibberish were actually texts of rebuke with a lot of sarcasm
Have you never had a preacher of Bible study leader that was so knowledgable they had your head spinning. I did. He could make anyone believe anything using the Bible and he wasn't half a ssmart as Brown. Be careful people.
I thank God for the baptism of His Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues it's the deepest level of my relationship with Him and it kept me from falling out of faith. Thank you Dr. Brown
Thank you for debating him finally someone has. And thank you for pointing out that Muslims, Indians, Hindus Mormons all seem to have the same false gift of jibber jabber. History will tell us that all the Jews that came back from every nation in acts spoken different dialects of Greek etc. They were from every nation because they had been scattered …The True gift in acts seems to be hearing because they said how is that we hear every man….in our own language Bless u
@@idahojoe8232 scripture declares the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on the speakers. The hearers had no gifts yet because they didn't have the Spirit yet. To say the hearers had the gift of interpretation makes no sense
I appreciate this discussion so much! When I was 6 years old, my parents brought me to The Lutheran Conference of the Holy Spirit in Minneapolis. During one of the children’s sessions, I remember a little old lady teaching a group of us about the gift of speaking/praying in tongues. It is such a fond memory so I’ve always been open to this gift and began using this gift at an early age. I so wish that our evangelical continuest churches would teach about these gifts to young children. It definitely shaped my life from an early age. Thank you thank for teaching on this topic!!
Hey sister, what’s your opinion about the singular form of “tongue” (Greek word glosse) only used in a 1 Corinthians 14 and everywhere else in the Bible it’s plural “tongues” (Greek word glossais). Also, why is the “singular” form always in the negative or corrective sense?
@@wenhari06 Care to elaborate on how that compared to tongue and tongues? It’s interesting how the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in 1 cor 14 and no where else. Any time the gift is mentioned it’s used in a plural sense of “tongues”. We see it all throughout acts and cor.
@@wenhari06 Can you explain to me why the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians? Why is it anytime the gift is mentioned it’s always used in the plural “tongues”? Paul only uses the singular form when correcting the misusing of the gift. Get a Bible software and check it out yourself.
Great discussion. I appreciate the respect and civility between you both. I have actually enjoyed both of your ministries in the last couple of years. Keep fighting the good fight!
This is exactly why we have to be very careful about squabbling over secondary issues. You have two professed believers in Jesus who read from the same bible but disagree on tongues. While I believe many churches that display tongues openly with no interpreter are out of order. I don't have enough understanding or the purpose of the mystery of speaking in tongue alone. The most important thing that we ALL should seek is to surrender ALL to Jesus and live in obedience contending for the faith. Many seek signs and gifts because it makes them feel like they are on a level with God. It's a gift in itself to walk upright as close to the Lord as possible.
I am in total agreement with Dr.Brown teaching when I received the Holyghost speaking in tongues 40 years ago he changed my life and gave me power like never before. Thank you Jesus
Me too. I was just a kid and when I received the Holy Spirit, I just started speaking in tongues. I also had so much joy and laughter that was bubbling up inside. I couldn't contain myself. I hadn't heard anyone speak in tongues before this. It was an authentic and genuine experience. It's been just over 40 years for me too. :)
@@tomtemple69There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19). In each instance the first thing that happened when they recieved the Holy Spirit is that they spoke in tongues. The scriptures used the three repetitions for two reasons: 1) To alert us to the presence of an important spiritual truth. 2) To set a precident to where the same circumstance in scripture need not occur in as much detail. This is according to the time honored wsy of interpreting scriptures called the Law Of Repetition.
@@robertnieten7259 Acts 2: the Apostles had tongues of fire over their head and heard a sound like a mighty rushing wind Acts 10: it was Cornelius's house, a Gentile and they received it by hearing the gospel from Peter Acts 19: Paul laid hands on those who were disciples of John yet never even heard of the Holy Spirit, and they were not only speaking in tongues but also prophesying, that wasn't mentioned in Acts 10... every single circumstance was unique "There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit" there are multiple instances of people receiving the Spirit and no tongues are mentioned do you even know why the sign of tongues exists at all? they are spoken of in the old testament, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 14 what they are sign of your interpretation completely ignores the context of the book, the chapter, and the Bible as a whole 1 Corinthians 12: not all speak in tongues that is evident in Acts as well, and when Paul received the Spirit, there is no mention of him speaking in tongues... the ethiopian eunuch didn't speak in tongues
I agree. Looking at the chat replay though, I see many don't, and they don't even seem to have actually listened to what Dr. Brown was saying as their minds were made up. I was not exposed to tongues early, so it was strange to me and I had a bias against the concept of what seemed to be some weird thing, though I had nothing to base that opinion on. Now I have the experience of tongues, having walked away from the Lord in the interim, then returned, seeking him. God saved my life, delivered me from affliction, and during that time I became a tongues-speaking Christian. Now I have seen many healing--through my own prayers and words from the Lord, and have had many miraculous answered prayers, and the times when I've been praying and singing in tongues A LOT have been the most powerful times in my life to date! Praise the Lord! Obviously this is a contentious topic, one in which I now have to disagree with members of my family on, as they still do not believe the value of speaking in tongues, and label it gibberish the same as the fans of Smart Christian, I take it.. One good book, "Chasing the Dragon" about a young woman evangelizing in old Hong Kong, and what happened when she started to pray in tongues every day, and to encourage the new converts, many opium addicts, to do the same--and their withdrawal symptoms vanished as they received the prayer language, and they became peaceful, and able to live a life free of drugs, quickly, like, within a few days they had no more withdrawal symptoms returning. It was a powerful witness of the Holy Spirit at work--and speaking in tongues was an important part of the amazing changes in those lives of the down and out and dangerous drug criminals in that place.
I don't think so because Corey was right that either Acts 1 and 2 are demonstrating how the gift of tongues should operate or there is no biblical example which leads to all kinds of foolery in the name of Christ. Which is what we see today. Why is it that a high percentage of churches where tongues are practiced have prosperity or word of faith or demon deliverance or other non biblical madness present? If these churches are truly stewarding the gift of tongues properly they would be the most regenerated believers and all this madness would not exist.
@@soledisciple Demon-deliverance isn't Biblical?? You are categorizing all these expressions of salvation "deliver" is also "save" --"DELIVER us from evil!" :) You are a cessationist. I agree with the fact there are abuses in the various movements, categories, churches, sects, etc. The evil one sows seed. But I think you are confused if you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased. THAT is certainly not a statement you will find in the Bible. I know, I know, it's "inferred." Because it happened then and "it's not happening now." At least where you are or from your POV. It's wrong to attribute a miracle to a demon. It's also wrong to attribute to the Holy Spirit the work of a demon. BOTH are huge mistakes. And guess what, we need discernment. From...the Holy Spirit. Is it easy to discern. Every false doctrine is due to lack of discernment at least in part. The word of truth has not been rightly discerned. Many things trouble me in all sides of all the camps. Including yours. Including the prosperity gospel, etc. But you are lumping things and this is pretty well always a mistake. Whether it's lumping a group of people or whatever. It smacks of sloppy research and bias--confirmation bias and selection bias. You are lumping works of demons with works of the Holy Spirit. There ARE supernatural works of demons. There are supernatural works of the Holy Spirit. Both occur today. I lean towards the view of Andrew Strom, he has background in the charismatic and he also is critical of much of what he saw there. Firsthand experience holds some weight there, with Biblical basis. I'm not saying anyone in particular is or isn't of the devil! God will allow the weeds to grow in the field of grain, and pull them out at the end and throw them in the fire. Many beliefs, on all sides of the fence on this, are not actually Biblical, including the reform movement--lots of false beliefs in there. Such as cessationism.
See how they go on every positive comment towards Dr. Brown to troll... this is how you know them... by their fruit and the spirit that's influencing the mocking comments you see here on your post is the same one of the Pharisees of old. That's how you see the enemy expose himself every time, he can't keep his pride hidden. They just convince me more and more that Dr. Brown is correct.
@@danielkim672, No. What Dr. Brown did was use Scriptures and state facts. You just happen to be one of those ignorant ones who reject speaking in tongues. Suite yourself because you will go to hell if you don’t have the Holy Spirit and you don’t have the Holy Spirit if you don’t have the SIGN. Period!
He was dishonest on several points. The text does not say that Peter spoke in a language everyone understood. The text says that they all heard Peter in their own language.
@@stevenlindsey2056 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? - Acts 2:8 Please show us where it says "they heard Peter in their own language"
@@wenhari06 That is what Acts 2:8 is saying. They are hearing Peter preach in their own language. Do you not comprehend English or are you purposely being dishonest?
One more thought. Dr. Brown throws this moral weight on Corey at the end, the "all these millions of people are just delusional", see this is why this topic is so difficult to talk about, because the cost of losing it is soooo much greater for Dr. Brown, just simply discussing this topic as possibly being wrong is a very personal thing for Dr. Brown, it is almost as though simplying bring arguments against him is attacking him personally, the passions get so high in the debate because of that, and I did feel like Dr. Brown did not give Corey enough time to give his perspective without interrupting him, and saying often to him, "you can't, there is No other way to interpret that text", super frustrating.
Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give bad gifts. I've had the gift since my teens but it is only in the last 10 years that I have understood how important it is. The more I pray in the Spirit the more sensitive I am to the Holy Spirit. There are different levels of tongues where it feels more like intercession and groaning referred to in Romans 8:26. Good debate
Bad theology! The Holy Spirit groans not you, without words! Rom 8:26 is not about tongues but prayer...the Holy Spirit Himself, not your spirit, makes intercession FOR us. This is not "praying with the spirit" or praying in tongues!
I’ve been following Dr. Michael Brown for a long time and I’m in total agreement with him on his position with speaking tongues. Awesome discussion. Let’s bring on Part 2.
If someone has a different interpretation of the word than you, he is not twisting the word automatically. To say something like this without examples is dangerous Brother.
I see most of the Carismatics I know SAY the right things… 1) Only in public through and interpreter 2) Only a couple at a time BUT… I see it IN PRACTICE completely different in most Pentecostal churches. It seems they know what the Bible say, but proceed to all speak at once, and most without interpretation. And when there IS “interpretation” it’s so vague that nothing was revealed at all …
Man this is a great teaching from Dr. Brown and my belief and experience as well. Thank you Corey for being open to dialogue. This is what a love about Dr. Brown. He is not only passionate about the Holy Spirit but also passionate about the scriptures.
A great scholar D.A. Carson wrote a book, Showing the Spirit that I think we can all learn from. Highlighting the main points (taking from ChatGPT) “D.A. Carson affirms that speaking in tongues is a legitimate and valuable gift of the Spirit, but he also recognizes the potential for abuse and error in its exercise. Therefore, he offers some guidelines on how the gift of tongues should be expressed: 1. The gift of tongues should be exercised in accordance with biblical guidelines. This means that the exercise of tongues should be subject to the authority of Scripture, and not used in ways that go beyond or contradict biblical teaching. 2. The gift of tongues should be exercised in private or in a controlled public setting. Carson believes that the primary purpose of tongues is to edify the individual believer, so it is appropriate to exercise the gift in private devotions. In public settings, the exercise of tongues should be done in a way that does not disrupt the flow of worship or cause confusion. 3. Interpretation should be provided when necessary. If tongues are exercised in a public setting, Carson believes that interpretation should be provided so that the message can be understood by all. This interpretation should also be subject to the authority of Scripture. 4. Love and self-control are essential in the exercise of the gift. Carson emphasizes that the exercise of tongues should be done in a way that is loving and considerate of others, and that reflects the fruits of the Spirit, including self-control. Overall, Carson's perspective on the gift of tongues is that it is a valuable and legitimate gift of the Spirit, but it must be exercised in accordance with biblical guidelines and with love and self-control.”
@@bengill1980 ChatGPT needs more Biblical infromation LOL. Even for the speaker of tongues, how can that speaker when speaking in tongues know what they are speaking if they don't also have the gift of interpretation? We have so many well known people on youtube and everywhere speaking in tongues. How many people do we know with the gift of interpretation. It would be weird to have millions of people speaking in tongues and like no one with the gift of interpretation. Point 2 is wrong. Primary purpose of tongues is NOT to edify the individual. In Acts 2, it is clear, it benefited others. 1 Corinthians chapter 14, it is clear as well. Verse 22 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. This gift should be used for unbelievers, as just like Acts 2, this powerful gift shows the unbeliever easily the power of the True God and will lead unbelievers to Christ. Aka Evangelism.
You have a man who prays in tongues frequently and a man who tries to discredit it. Obviously, the man who has a true experience with this gift of the spirit can correctly break down the verses, explaining it through the Holy Spirit's enlightenment. Well said, Dr. Brown.
See i visited a few charismatic churches and was encouraged to just speak gibberish and trust the holy spirit would make it make sense. I'm not opposed to being given a gift from the spirit but can't fake it till I make it. It seems blasphemous to me. I've been guided a few times in my life. Also had had prayers directly answered. There was no doubt where or who it came from. When God gives you something you dont need to fake it.
Exactly. And why would you have to practice a gift? It would come natural... but seen many examples of these charismatics trying to teach people how to speak in tounge... Blasphemous is a good description.
I just want to commend both sides here. Especially Mr Corey Minor. I’ve followed Dr. Brown for a few months now and have only seen one video from Brother Corey. I read and study the Word more than watching any UA-cam videos, but I was impressed by your humility, patience, and love throughout the conversation. May God bless you both and may the Lord be glorified ALWAYS!
Dr Brown is right on, we understand the scripture the same way and we never met. When I pray in the Spirit, I think I speak in many dialects. I don`t understand the words but it sounds like different languages. I don`t understand French or Russian but I can tell they are different languages. I am not a good speaker in my native language English, but when I speak in tongues I can speak very fluently and with power. Even though I don`t understand the words I speak sometimes I know for what or who I am praying for. I can pray in the Spirit with unbelievable urgency and power that I can`t duplicate in english.
It's really good to see Dr Brown appearing on Corey's UA-cam. I'm not fully convinced that Corey is really a biblical continuationist. Had he not made that statement he sounds very much like a cessationist to me. Shout out from the uk 🇬🇧
Good discussion . I had a very vexing experience after a short lived 'tongues' experience, which 'mystical' ( closing off ones mind.. similar to New Age contemplative practices today ) methods where employed ( based on coaching of Charismatics and their literature of that time ) Sensed I LOST Salvation and Peace after being drawn into ONENESS Doctrine of their interpretation of Acts 2:38, in which water Baptism servs as a conduit of the Blood of Christ... Therefore one cannot be saved unless one gets water Baptised by Oneness Pastor with Tongues as proof of HOLY SPIRIT indwelling. But even then, according to their doctrine on must maintain works to KEEP Salvation, which Most Trinitarian Charismatics hold to. Before my tongues experience I had many encounters with cults like 'The WAY', JW, LDS, Swedenborgain.. which I had enough discernment to sense their errors. If a discerning Christian questions ant so called manifestation of the Miraculous , they get accused ( guilt tripped ) of "committing the Unpardonable Sin " Its my conviction that many who fall for charismatic theology fall into a spirit of fear if they question their theology. Fear of the Unpardonable sin is the glue that many Charismatics get into emotional bondage and loose their effectiveness in Chrisitan Witness. My brief experience with tongues was most sincere in the motive of a 'closer' walk with Jesus Christ, but was mere gibberish nevertheless. To my shame there was a very 'cocky' spiritual pride during that short time. I had unshakable understanding and assurance of Salvation prior to this mishap. Maybe Dr Brown's experience is different from mine. Maybe Tongues draw Dr Brown closer to GOD and Service for HIM. My experience was just opposite. I won't argue either cessationist or continuation of Tongues. I cannot deny however of the bad fruit of many charismatic ministries despite the hype and blitz. ( Non Charismatics ..Calvinists, 7th Day, RC, SBC, have their issues also ) Charismatic hype is always been the majority in Chrisitan TV since 1970s. Most Charismatics deny Eternal Security of Born Again believer. If that's true, then I'm once again on the road to Hell despite the promise of Eternal Security I sensed the moment I trusted Christ a few years prior to my tongues experience. How anyone can be truly happy and joyful in the LORD with out this precious promise is beyond me. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven." Luke 10:20
@@cephasrock9175 that's okay if you disagree, it still doesn't change what I believe to be the case. Moreover, I can easily say that you believe otherwise because you're biased. Do you see how that works? Dr. Brown outclassed Corey.
Thank you Corey for having Dr. Brown as a guest. His understanding of what took place in Acts Chapter 2 has always been my understanding of it as well. Peter was not interpreting tongues, he was highlighting it as the miraculous phenomenon prophesied by the Prophet Joel. Those who were speaking in tongues were actually speaking the languages of those gathered in Jerusalem. And the real miracle was the fact that the Galileans who did not speak those languages were able to speak them with such clarity that all of the ethnic groups gathered in Jerusalem was able to clearly understand them.
Apostle Paul spoke in Hebrew, Latin , Greek and Aramaic which was taught setting at the feet of Rabbi Gamaliel the Jewish scholar. These are the tounges Paul spoke of, an established language not gibberish which is so popular today which is no language at all.
Incorrect, but you’ll learn hopefully one day. I find it very interesting that only in countries where like Laodecia one of them is USA, you guys have those discussions. But please explain Acts 19:6. So when Paul laid hands on them they automatically got Rosetta Stone languages downloaded? What languages did they speak at that moment. Please answer…..
@@chaplainsoffice6907 so you’re saying a spiritual gift wasn’t a spiritual gift at all, just a skill someone learned? That’s really interesting because Paul called it a spiritual Gift. Meaning hat it was something the Spirit enabled someone to do. Scripture didn’t get you to that belief, and if it did,it’s because you have a terrible hermeneutic l.
How do you know your tongue was real? Did you understand what you were saying? Do you know someone with the gift of interpretation that if they heard you, they could retell it in English? Do you speak in tongues to unbelievers to share the Gospel when needed as the Bible instructions us to if we have the gift?
All I will say to you as sure as christ is real what he revealed, blessed me with gifted me with was real and he left no doubt in me exactly what happened. I take it you have not received this?
@@theebluecollarworker750 Satan masquerades as an Angel of Light. You could have channeled another spirit thinking it was God because you’re spiritually deceived. 😂
@@theebluecollarworker750 No, I have not the gift of tongues. As in the BIble, tongues was used and instructed to be used for Evangelism. Where I am at right now, I use English language to Evangelize. I answered your question, will you answer mine? Do you understand what you are saying when speaking in tongues? Tongues and Interpretation are two different gifts. So if you do not have the gift of interpretation, even YOU will not understand what you are saying. 1 Corinthians 14:22 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. The Bible is Clear in Acts 2, tongues was used to Evangelize. The instructions are clear here that the tongues, are a sign not for believers to benefit from , but unbelievers. It shows unbelievers some of the true power and promise of God through our Holy Spirit and brings people to Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@danielkim672 Amen! You made your claim perfectly clear...but everyone is not open to receiving it, and that's okay, we don't all have to agree; but I appreciate and value my gift from God! But you showed great restraint and patience in your replies! Keep loving as Christ has commanded us to do!🙏🤗💞
I absolutely agree with Dr Brown. Jackie Pullinger, a British missionary in Hong Kong prayed in tongues regularly. Through this means God enabled her to work in the most appalling conditions. Leonard Ravenhill attributes her mission success to regular private communion with God in tongues. 🙏🕊️
Very good talk, He was constantly dodging when Dr. Brown mentioned "speaking mysteries onto God", Tongues are definitely of use for today and are a private prayer language to God alone
the thing s he has done a teaching on what that means it was for the purpose of keeping the conversation about the topic they were discussing. he knew dr brown disagreed so instead wanted to come to a common understanding first.
yup, its ONE gift, and not everyone gets it im sick of the eisegesis that justifies the "private prayer language that everyone gets" is a separate gift
@@lalonguecarabine4952 many charismatics claim that speaking in tongues is a different gift than speaking in tongues first off Paul says IF i pray in tongue(hypothetical) only my spirit prays and the mind is unfruitful therefore if you do speak or pray or sing in a tongue, pray that you may interpret so that everyone can know what is being said and can be edified by it
@@danielkim672 I just find it interesting that you say Dr brown is twisting scripture when he is simply going with the plain reading of the text. It is Cory that is adding so much to the text it’s not even funny. Furthermore, everytime brown pressed Cory on certain points, instead of talking about them, Cory said, “We’ll come back to that.”
he spoke multiple languages as in Greek(mother tongue), Hebrew and most likely Aramaic. He didnt go into one place where they spoke another language, aside from these three.
U Yes this makes sense. When he says he speaks more tongues than any of you. He spoke more language than anyone else as well as tongues that the Holy spirit gave to understand new languages.
@@Jonathan-tw4xm after explaining in 1 Cor 14:2,14 that when he prays/speaks in tongues he doesn't understand what he is saying. Speaking in multiple worldly languages with your mind is not a spiritual gift, it is a mental talent.
“For anyone who speaks in A TONGUE does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.” It’s like someone uses the gift of speaking in tongues to speak spanish while in the church in the Netherlands even tho he also speaks dutch he chose to speak spanish. God knows what he’s saying but the dutch brothers and sisters don’t. so he might be praising god in spanish but he’s therefore only edifying him self and not the brothers and sisters who are only dutch speaking. So for everyone in the church he is uttering misteries by the spirit they don’t understand you. And you’re not suppose to use the gift of tongues in that way. This example☝🏾is what paul is rebuking here
Are you saying that Paul speaks in other actual languages when he says that he speaks in tongues more than anyone? That would be very dissappointing for charismatics and very impressive to me if he was a polygot.
@@archielang7427 Yes exactly. It is not that Paul is a polygot from the definition he himself has the education of these languages, the Holy Spirit allows him to speak like he knew these languages. I am not sure if Paul ever claimed he also had the gift of interpretation, so he might not even know what he is saying when he is speaking in tongues. I could be wrong here though. Maybe Paul did say he had the gift of interpretation as well.
@@danielkim672 Paul says he prayed with his mind so this would imply he interpreted what he was saying. 1 Corinthians 14:13-15 [13] Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. [14] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. [15] What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, 👉but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
@@ShepherdMinistry So in verse 14, Paul acknowledges he has the gift of tongues and we should also pray to have the gift to interpret. Obviously that is ideal if you are in quiet prayer to God. I would agree it 'could' be safe to assume Paul has the gift of interpretation to, but hard to tell for sure. We know that these are two separate gifts and not everyone has both.
I enjoy listening to Dr Brown debates, they edify my spirit and make me proud to be a believer. I like Mr. Minor I like his Gino Jennings videos, but he is kicking against the prick (Acts 9:5)
Corey picked the wrong fight here. Dr. Brown, per the usual; broke this down line by line. Corey focused on a single aspect of tongues, & got stuck there. The moment he said that he’s a “Biblical Continuationist”, which I’ve seen him say so many other times while proving he’s not; he’d lost.
I don't think that statement killed his argument, though I don't know that it's a completely accurate statement. I think he still made a lot of good points.
@@jeldredmitchell it kills his statement, because exactly what dies he define “Biblical Continuationism” as? You see, he has other videos where he claims that there are no more prophets or apostles, which is the exact doctrine of cessation. Yet he say here he’s not a Cessationist. So is it jus his personal interpretation of what Continuation is, or something else?
@@rapmeister1000 i dont know about all these interpretations of what a biblical continuations isbut there being no prophets or apostles today does not mean cessationist. It is a fact THERE are no prophets and apostles today. and ABSOLUTE BIBLICAL FACT. The gifts are alive today for sure, people have them, but most of the ones that say they have it are fakes unfortunately. I agree with Corey in that the gifts that are true, are used in the same manner that Scripture provides us. IMO Corey had the Biblical support. Dr Brown is just a better debator.
@Daniel Kim Dr. Brown being better is a given, as he's an actual Apoligist. I sat in his lectures at Liberty U studying Apologetics. And Dr. Brown had scriptural support as well. His advantage is that as an expert in Near Eastern Semetic Language, he has a far more in-depth grasp of context than does Corey. Now Cessationism indeed teaches that there is no more Five-fold ministry. It is NOT a biblical fact, in any measure; that there are no more apostles or prophets. If it were, then according to Eph 4, there is no more church or ministry. That is a biblical fact. Ephesians 4:11-13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: The five-fold was given by Yahweh, not by man. So, who is any man who has the authority to declare that Yahweh has now taken it away, frauds aside? And exactly when was it taken away? If two of the gifts are taken away, yet all five are given from the same source; then all 5 must be gone. Yet neither Corey nor you will declare that evangelists, pastors, & teachers are no more. Why? Is the present church now perfected? Does the body no longer require edification? Have we all come to the unity of the faith? All of these are the questions I ask Corey, and all those who share his position. I've yet to receive a contextually correct answer. And, like him, I stand ready to discuss this live at any time.
@@rapmeister1000 My intention is to go back and listen to these videos again and again, because both of them argue their points well. And listening to them is really helping me to organize my own thought s. Iron indeed does sharpen iron. I don't think there is a loser in this debate. We all win when we are given the opportunity to examine the two perspectives in view of scriptures, point-by-point. True seekers of God and His truth are weighing these two individuals' arguments with the motive of getting an understanding. I don't find Corey's term of "biblical continuationist" to describe himself necessarily helpful, and yet, Dr. Brown's explanations and interpretations are not satisfying me. This I find more troubling than Corey's moniker for himself. I will continue to study further, and weigh, and pray. I respect both brothers immensely and the only thing that matters to me here is the truth.
I want to say that i knew a man who was muslim. He started reading the bible. He already knew the Koran, but he was seeking to know from God Almighty which book is true and if Jesus is really God's son. He wanted truth and clarity and he had been praying and seeking God for a sign so he could follow the right path. Turns out that he was invited to a little church in his neighborhood where some of his friends were members. This day God used, at this particular servive, a little old lady of Spanish decent, to start speaking in To gues and he explains he gave his heart to the Lord Jesus because the little old lady speaking in Tongues witness to him in classical arabic, very difficult language to learn and practice. She answered what he was asking God Almighty to confim to him . She kept repeating over and over in Arabic. "i am a witness that Jesus Christ is the son of God", this convinced him and he was reborn of the spirit of God.
Respect to Corey for bringing Brown on- but easy win for Brown. Sadly Corey had to use “private interpretation” to make his exegesis work. Come back to the baptism of the Spirit brother :)
Very true I’m praying he repents of his own private interpretations. Dr Brown was very clear that not 1 Greek translator agrees with his interpretation 🤦🏾♂️
Totally agree! Brown is sticking to the Word … bc he has Spiritual insight ( the Holy Ghost) Corey seems to be speaking from a carnal perspective.. it’s veryyyy evident Corey does have the Holy Ghost… not saying in any disrespectful way… but saying bc of his views… 🙏
@@dontracy8924 Dr Brown, is clearly twisting Scripture and tells outright lies. Brown sticks to the Word, but it is a very twisted version of it. Creates his own theology.
I was hoping they would talk more about this History of speaking in Tongues in America. There is a great article by Mark Tabata titled “The History Of Gibberish Speaking In American Churches”. It’s a very good read. It covers some of the Pagan religions using this practice (Praying to Apollo) including Native American tribes (for their rituals), and how early African slaves in America used this practice because they misinterpreted the gift of tongues as African “Spirit Dances” with the “spirit-possessed” person muttering this practice began to spread at first only in the South and the participants were mocked by the mainline denominations as “Holy Rollers.”. Anyway great video, next time it would be interesting to see two Scholars with two different perspectives and see how they would debate this topic. God Bless!
@@smartchristians Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.1 Corinthians 13:1. He said it could be an earthly language or heavenly language. Currently there are over 7,000 living languages. The Holy Spirit could have someone speak in an unknown tongue that is heavenly or an earthly language. Corey have you heard all 7,000 languages? If not its best not to speak and assume a tongue is gibberish.
Not a good response nor Biblical. Did Paul or anyone else in the Bible speak in an Angelic Language? NO. did an angel speak in a language other than the language of the speaker? NO. So Literally there is no Biblical basis to conclude Paul was saying there was a language of an angel that men speak. Secondly, why would anyone equate this so-called language of angels to be the same as "Tongues"? No where in the Bible is there a mention of a heavenly language.. Nor was that ever a real consideration by the early church. This is a new phenomenon from the last 120 years. If what you propose is not in the Bible then it is by definition "UnBiblical".
@@smartchristians Corey this is sad. Why would Paul say, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,..." if he didn't? Why would you agree with Paul saying he spoke in the tongues of men but not with the tongues of angels when Paul says it himself?
@@PlaymakersInTheFaith No, your and Dr Brown's interpretation is not Biblical and it twists Scripture. Tongue of Angels. Why do you think Angels speak in some other language that is not earthly? Could the Angels has a different language? Perhaps, but we have no EXAMPLE in Scritpure of that. If we are using Scripture to test Scripture to find Biblical truth, then we have no information from the Bible that has Angels SPeaking in any other language than the language of the person who is spoken to. Why couldn't the Angels speak in their heavenly language and God give the gift of interpretation to the human to know what was said? That never happened. All the Angels spoke in an earthly language. You are making an assumption, asserting your presupposition to infer into the text that that verse means an angelic or heavenly language.
Such a great video! The way dr brown explains it is really the way I understood it. Thanks for bringing him on dr Brown did an excellent job explaining the word. Thanks dr brown- pls do come back again! Love it ❤
I think dr. Brown explained it very clearly so basically meaning when your home in your secret place you're praying in tongues speaking Mysteries that only God can understand that's pretty to decipher
@@niceguy3000k Dr Brown explained his own viewpoint of it. In Greek, tongues means literally language. In Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, the use of the word tongues means an actual language. It is an absolute miracle that anyone could speak another language they never studied, and even never heard before fluently. Only with the power of the Holy Spirit could that happen. If one is speaking in tongues privately with and to God, what makes one think this is not in a language they do not know? when that individual speaks in a tongue, that will be a mystery to that person as only God would know, unless the interpretation happened as explained later in chapter 14. There is no instruction that says tongues should be only in your secret place. It should be shared as a gift. To who though? Verse 22 is clear 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. So then, how can tongues not be a language? If the gift needed to be used to reach unbelievers?
If the apostles speak languages from this world in acts 2, why there was some people who dont understand them. Some people understand them perfectly, who were god fearing jews and some dont understand them at all, who were not god fearing. They thought that the apostles were drunk, and thats how i exactly sound like, when i pray to the father in touges.
@@niceguy3000k 1 Corinthians 14:22 [22] 👉Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, 👈while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers. How would you explain this? Tongues is for others not for yourself.
This was a very interesting debate. The way that Dr. Brown explained the scriptures was both enlightening and edifying. Both speakers were decent and respectful.
On the day of pentecost, they spoke in known languages. Paul in Corinthians speaks of known and unknown languages. But Paul also stated "1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
Thank you Dr. Brown, i totally agree. There are some who pray in the spirit during their intimate time with God in prayer. . There is no interpreter there because it's between you and God through the Holy Spirit. Jude says it's a heavenly language.
@@delandomcwilliams5737 In Jude 20 it says praying in the Holy Ghost. . Now, please tell me, is that not a heavenly language, since only heaven can understand. I know you are looking for direct words but when you study you won't find the direct words, so what people like you try to do is compare tomatoes to tomotoes. And potatoes and pototoes. Question: What language did Jesus pray in when He took off and prayed all night. . Or when He was in the Garden? You don't know because scripture doesn't say. . Just like Corey doesn't know because scripture doesn't say. .
@@fd2lministries923 Stop it Sir. There is no such thing as a heavenly language. The angels never spoke in tongues from what we read. Jesus never spoke in tongues from what we read. You're saying " build yourself in the Spirit" means tongues. So what if I study the word of God and learn more about the gospel and taking it to heart? That's not building myself in the Spirit? I have to read in tongues? What if I used to get angry at ppl when they made fun of me and curse them out? Now I just pray for them? Is that not building myself in the Spirit? What if I start a men's group in which we discuss our struggles as Christian men and discuss ways to let the Spirit lead us out of temptation? Is that not building ourselves up in the Spirit? It only tongues really right? Come on now
@@delandomcwilliams5737 Who said anything about reading in tongues? And you're telling me to stop it? Wow bro. That's classic. . But it's All good, you're in agreement with Corey and I'm not. Nothing against him though, I agree with about 80-85% of what he teaches and that's pretty good but I don't agree with him on tongues and tithing. . So how bout you and I agree to disagree? I won't get caught up in foolish debates. . I know how God operates in my personal relationship with Him and you know how He operates in your personal relationship with Him. . That's why it's called a personal relationship. . God bless you brother.
@@delandomcwilliams5737 building yourself up in the Spirit is through prayer lead by the Holy Spirit and can be your regular language or heavenly language by the Holy Spirit which is mysteries being spoken at that point.. Praying in the Spirit is also a weapon of warfare as seen in Ephesians ch 6 .. Studying and being in God's presence ,meditating on God's promises etc all buildings and edify you... But when one prayes in the apirit that goes to a deeper level because thwy Holy Spirit takea over andbprays for you and through you as you yield ...
I think it was a good discussion and willingness to engage with a well defended, opposing point of view comes from a place of maturity and openness that brings value to all who view the exchange.
I never opined that it was a competition, but I have watched Corey engage in intellectual snobbery with individuals with inferior erudition than his. Notice that his tone is different with Michael as juxtaposed to others he engaged with about tongues.
@@TimothyC.84 Amen to that. I have been on the fence about this, and I needed to hear two sincere individuals discuss it rationally. And even when you lean one way, sometimes you may not be able to articulate it well to others. Sincere back and forth between believers who follow the rules of using the Word to support their points helps all of us organize our thoughts and weigh things better. Iron does sharpen iron.
I have been in a Pentecostal church for 16 years.. Tongue's is not a new thing..In my church it is used mainly for prayer if you have the gift..Not every member in the church speaks in tongues at prayer..I have only spoke in tongues one time and that is when the Holy Spirit was heavily on me at a time I was dealing with cancer...
Hi Jerry, just wanted to encourage you. I have been speaking in tongues for 31 years! All the adults in my church speaks in tongues - and most of their children. We can speak in tongues at will - you do not have to wait for the Spirit to be "heavy". The apostle Paul said that he "will" speak with tongues and he "will" speak with his understanding - it was an act of his will, not an emotional or external feeling. Pentecostals use to teach this years ago. They thought the Spirit had to be "high" in the service or a "heavy" anointing. Or, they were waiting on the "unction" before they spoke. The reality is, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE UNCTION! The supernatural part is the language and not the speaking. You do the speaking and the Holy Spirit gives the language as YOU speak. Enjoy!
@@aew1011 The entire church speaks in tongues? I would like to see that. Truly, where is it? Does that church steam live on youtube? If everyone speaks in tongues, there has to be a lot of folks with the gift of interpretation right? Do you know what you are saying when you speak in tongues or do you have the gift of interpretation?
@Daniel Kim Hey - there are many churches where the majority speak in tongues. There has been interpretation and prophecy . The thing is, we all understand the difference between tongues given as a message and tongues where are speaking to God. God understands all languages and there is no need for interpretation. When visitors come, we don't do it loudly because they may not know what is going on. Only a tongue that is giving a message needs to be interpreted.
@@aew1011 Of course God understands every language, I never said He didnt. But is speaking in tongues to God more edifying than speaking in English to God? That is a legit question as when I ask it, no one that speaks in tongues has an answer. Also, we have so many churches that proudly live stream, which is great. More preaching the word the better. I have yet to see a church were all or the majority of people speaking in tongues live stream. I am sure many people would like to see it. You say you have people with the gift of interpretation. I know folks that say they have gift of tongues but not the gift of interpretation but they would like to get interpreted, So knowing what churches to go to to get that would be awesome. Finally, you say only tongues that is giving a message needs to be interpreted? So you mean speaking in tongues in private to God, when you don't know the actual meaning of the words is fine? That is more edifying than praying in English? Again, I would love to find a person with a true gift of interpretation. There are literally millions of people it seems like with the gift of tongues, but not interpretation. that is interesting.
Corey keeps saying that it's not in scripture but God say I am God, I will do my good pleasure. . Meaning God will do what He wants, not just in one area of history but in All areas of history. . You can't put God in a box. .
Ok yeah you’re wrong for this. Everything God wanted us to know about spiritual gift, or Christian lifestyle is in the Bible. If it’s not in the Bible it’s not from God. Y’all need to stop saying that we are putting God in a box just because we believe that He has put Himself in a box called the Bible! So my sister if it’s not in the Bible then it’s not of God. Period point blank!!!
@@b.eunice That's your opinion Eunice, and you're entitled to that but let me asked you something hopefully you can answer it but I know you can't because it's not in the bible. Question is what language was Jesus praying in when He would take off to pray alone, sometimes even all night in prayer? Or even when He was praying to the Father in the Garden? You don't know because scripture doesn't say. . Ohh but I forgot, if it's not in the bible it's not true. . Please! Like I said, stop putting God in a box.
@@fd2lministries923 What is with this argument how Jesus was praying to God the Father and what language? NEver heard this argument but very childish lol
@@fd2lministries923 what are you talking about? The prayers of Jesus are in the Bible, which means they were given to the Gospel writers in a language they could understand, not in some unknown language, or they wouldn’t be in the Bible in the first place.
@@AfricanSheep Shirley Bisschoff, where are they given in the Bible? John 17 is the only place where we find the Lord's prayer. . When He prays for His disciples (in a public setting) and in the gospels when He gives them a format of prayer when they asked Him to teach them to pray. . And of course when He prays in public before resurrecting Lazarus which He says was for the sake of their faith. So stop making up stuff. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you what or how He prayed when He would leave to pray to the Father privately. . So the question is what are you talking about. . Nevermind, don't even answer that. . I'm done with it. . If you do reply don't wait for me to answer. .
Praise God For You Corey And Dr. Michael Brown, I appreciate both of you. I am just delighted that you do not continue to engage with BCV...stay in the spirit. For the record I have always prayed in the spirit only in private not publicly. We will all uncover the truth of the matter when we see Jesus. We can celebrate that we all will see Jesus because of the blood of Jesus. JESUS IS LORD...!!!
Yup. I'm with Brown's natural reading of Acts 2 here, that Peter wasn't interpreting what the people say when they speak in tongue but EXPLAINING - and then proceeding to preach Christ - what was happening to the people who speak in tongue ✔️ and thanks Corey for the good discussion/conversation ❤
@@TimothyC.84 1 Corinthians 14:2. It’s a tongue that God understands…. And persons who have the gift of interpretation…… I respect Corey’s “take” but according to the scriptures Brown is on point.
Speaking in a different languages is only a gift if you understand what you are saying. If everyone in the congregation speak English why would you not speak English? Apostle Paul spoke Hebrew, Latin, Greek and Aramaic, these are the language Paul spoke of a KNOWN language.
22:00 Dr. MB miss spoke!!! In Acts 21 verse 40 going into chapter 22 Paul evangelized in the Hebrew tongue Being able to speak in the Hebrew language actually saved Paul’s life And why is 1 Corinthians 14:13 the most overlooked verse that these unknown tongue speakers can’t ever answer
@@ThePreacherman9 but that's not the gift of tongues he's using if he already knows the Language....so he didn't misspeak, he was just focusing on the supernatural occurrences of tongues.
@@beaberean3286 if Michael brown was bringing up Paul saying"I speak in tongues(glossa- foreign languages) more then any of you" then he has to properly define what Paul meany,and Paul surely spoke more languages then any of these people,he spoke hebrew&Aramaic being a Pharisee he spoke Latin because that was common tongue of the roman empire hr spoke greek, so yes Paul spoke in more tongues then anyone
@@ThePreacherman9 okay but then is that a spiritual gift of tongues? Because the Spirit gifts people to speak languages as he wills, not because man learns it through education. Also, if Paul spoke multiple languages naturally, then He would also know how to interpret them naturally so there would be no need for that gift. Clearly 1 cor 14 is about the spiritual gift of tongues...
Cory is cool but he is 100 percent wrong when it comes to this gift and this conversation further solidified that truth. To compare the gift of tongues to anything Demonic is a grave error. I pray that GOD grants Corey the humility to repent.
I grew up in tongue speaking church, left God when an adult. Came back to a tongue speaking church and God brang me back himself. He did not use anyone. And lately I have come across Chris Roseborough, Steve Kozar and here the other side of the argument. Now I haven't spoken in tongues for 5 months. But I am not refuting it yet. I did but it keeps coming up in my spirit. And today I have read the scriptures myself and from what I read, Tongues just being languages does not make sence. If I speak in an actual language I understand, my mind is engaged along with my spirit. Also Cory from what I have been taught about tongues, again right now I am still undecided on tongues atm. But the benefit of tongue is God praying to God on your behalf speaking the mysteries of your own heart, praying what really matyers over your life, edifying you. For example, in English I can pray Lord I ask for a wife, house, family, what is your will, lead me, help me with (insert struggling sin) etc. However God already knows your heart and knows where to start and what you need most, so God (Holy Spirit) is praying to God (The Father) for you. You pray what you can see about yourself, God prays about what you cannot see about yourself (mysteries)
Hebrews 6 , explains Spiritually Dull. I say this with Love Corey, "Go back to your gifts of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues again". We need more Spiritually ignited people. Much Love SSIC (STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
@@lamontpayton9153 You have to explain how 1 Corinthians 14:33 applies to Corey. I think that applies to Dr Brown as Michael's teachings are twisting Bible text.
@@danielkim672 All I can say is that the Holy Spirit gives joy, peace,love,gentleness , patience, faithfulness and self control. If you want to listen to Corey, fine. I'm not a follower of Man, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (My Lord and Savior) and if we're following the examples of Christ, we don't have time to sit on You Tube everyday looking for someone's fault. God looks beyond the faults of Man and sees the needs. Much Love SSIC(STAY STRONG IN CHRIST)🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾❤️❤️❤️
@@lamontpayton9153 Wait, a youtube commentor is rebuking me on youtube for making youtube comments? It is not about looking for faults in people. I don't know Dr Brown personally, so I am not looking for faults about him personally. It is about his PUBLIC teaching, which is false. so we , as Christians are taught to rebuke. Who said I was a follower of Corey? Corey is a teacher of the Word, and I listen to him as well as many others. I have listened to many many Dr Brown teachings too. It is not like I listen to only people I agree with. I have to invest time in folks like Dr Brown as well.
@56:16 Paul speak in tongue more than all of you… Dr Brown is grossly misinterpreting this. It’s not publicly vs privately (where Paul uses gift of tongue as a private prayer language), instead it’s to believers vs unbelievers which is in context. Tongue is a sign for unbelievers, and Paul was tasked to spread gospel and found churches all over, so it would make logical sense that he’s using the gift of tongue that way, and that’s what Paul is talking about when he says he speak in tongue more than all of you. Edit: Right as I wrote this Corey made the same counter argument that it’s believers vs unbelievers which was the context, and Dr Brown quickly mentions time and ran away from it. He is a seasoned debater and saw that he’s about to be backed into a corner, so he start talking about all these personal experiences that has nothing to do with all of this, that’s all hearsay and the opposite can be said. Praying in gibberish was found in paganism, we need to be rooted solid in the word and not twist the word to fit our own narrative.
Dr Brown's comment about Paul making a statement that he, "SPEAKS in Tongues more than the other Corinthians", has NO MERIT because The Bible ONLY tells us that PAUL "says" he SPEAKS in Tongues. Dr Brown is ASSUMING that Paul's "Tongues", spoken in PRIVATE, are like the Tongues that we see SPOKEN in Church's today, whether spoken publicly or privately. In Brown's opinion he's trying to VALIDATE the uses of the gift as we see it in the Church Today. HOWEVER, The Bible Does NOT give an example of Paul ACTUALLY Speaking in Tongues either PUBLICALLY or PRIVATLY. If Paul speaks in Tongues BETTER than the Corinthians , and he DOES NOT implement it, and since there is NO ACTUAL record of him doing so, this means a lot to this issue concerning the support of Speaking in Tongues as we see it today. Paul's actions further establishes a certainty that Speaking in Tongues WAS NOT permitted then in the Church, the way we see it employed today. Cory IS NOT proclaiming that he doesn't believe that people CAN"T or Shouldn't speak in Tongues. He is just saying that what we SEE people doing TODAY doesn't hold up with the scriptures. Tongues ARE an Earthy Language, period. When Paul makes statements like, " Your speaking to the AIR", and then states, "ONLY GOD can understand the "MYSTERIES" you're praying". Paul is SIMPLY using TOTAL "SARCASM" to explain GOD's stance on the matter at hand to the Corinthians. "MYSTERIES": This word is defined as, "Something that is difficult or "IMPOSSIBLE" to understand or explain". THEN, why do we need "Mysteries" to communicate with GOD? Dr Brown supports taking what's said in 1Corinthians 2:14-2 (KJV) as fact. "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. If this isn't SARCASM then what is? READ IT FOR YOURSELF AMEN. ecte
I was praying in the back yard on 7/30/23 i started crying out to God i asked Jesus to take out the anger thats been controlling my life for a while for years. I started throwing up then i started to roar sure people thought i was loosing my mind then i started to speak in different languages i was trying to speak i couldn’t understand what i was saying no matter what i said but i do know this I WAS PRAISING Jesus i know that for a fact because i could not stop pointing at the sky i couldn’t stop crying i was like a baby again i don’t want to go back i cant go back please pray for me it was tongues i know it was. I hope it was
Michael was supporting Paul’s correction of the Corinthians public use, which is still true today because tongues are definitely abused in the public sense.
Dr.Brown is very incorrect by saying “ίνα” is a simple “that”. ίνα always introduces a dependent clause by staying “IN ORDER THAT” or “SO THAT”. Or “for the PURPOSE of”. He may be a Hebrew scholar, but not being able to recognize a purpose/result clause introduced by the conjunction ίνα shows that he cannot reliably break down the Greek.
I'm with Dr Brown. When I'm praising the LORD my language changes. It's my prayer for my LORD. Its my privacy, my spirit with the LORD, that not even I know what my spirit is communicating with It's creator. So that my flesh won't know what is said, cause the flesh is corrupt and evil spirits are with there ears standing.
You are saying you don't know what you are communicating with your Lord? Then what is the point. Sounds like great delusion to me. I think 100% that your God wants you to know exactly what you are saying to him. If you are not in control of what you are saying, maybe you are saying something you shouldn't be to your Lord.
@@chuckgunn1359 2For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 1Cor 14 But also: 4For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
@@ccookRomans Clearly, 1 Corthinians, Paul is describing tongues as an ACTUAL language, not some gibberish and also that tongues, the use of it is to be used as a sign for unbelievers, aka Evangelism. Michael Brown twists Scripture and says that tongues is gibberish and that tongues is mainly for self edifying, and not for others or evangelism.
@@danielkim672 Michael Brown never said it was gibberish. What are you talking about? And the scripture does say that tongues edify yourself, without an interpreter! The scripture does not teach that tongues is only for evangelism like Cory taught
Into the first 5 to 10 minutes, I find Dr Brown continually interrupting Corey, aggressively cutting him off, not allowing him to present what he wants to say concerning Acts 2, as Brown is fully aware that this passage in Acts 2 is the clearest passage that proves him wrong, therefore Brown is found very proudly and forcefully not allowing Corey to finish Corey's sound, orthodox, historical interpretation. Clearly the passage in Acts 2 which Corey was referencing to in the beginning of the debate Corey is seeking to show Brown and his audience that The Spirit endowed the early church with new languages to Evangelize is clearly found in the text, therefore Brown knowing this is the clearest passage to prove that languages were given for the New Testament evangelistic gathering of the elect of God throughout gentile (multi-cultural/multi-linguistic) world. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HS OWN LANGUAGE. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, ARE NOT ALL THESE WHICH SPEAK Galilaeans? And HOW HEAR WE EVERY MAN IN OUR OWN TONGUE, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, WE DO HEAR THEM SPEAK IN OUR TONGUES (LANGUAGES) THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD....(Acts 2:1-11) Therefore anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear will be able to clearly understand that the spiritual gift of tongues, which was given to the saints in Acts 2, was a supernatural spiritual gift whereby "new foreign earthly languages" were supernaturally given to the early Jewish church in order for the early Jewish church to be able to obey the great commission given from our Savior, Lord and King Jesus Christ and that was to go out into all the (foreign language speaking) world to preach the Gospel and Evangelize every nation, tribe and language, baptizing them in The Name of The Father, in The Name of The Son and in The Name of The Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all the commandments of God.
Glad that two men of God who might disagree can actually have a conversation and no disgusting disparaging attacks on character...when it is done in love
Dr Brown...since u say all gifts are in explosion, in all yo 49 yrs of dealing with tongue-speaking congregations,have u ever come across a brother with the gift of tongue INTERPRETATION ?
Bros I can only tell you me experience about Tongues. Tongues is for now, I remember an incident, I was working for some solictors. Attending Lunar house interviewing immigrants coming so he could help them with their problems. It was 4 afternoon was going to the solicitors office with my notes. I was the only one on the platform all of a sudden I started to speak in Tongues it was amazing then I started to interpret and The English was pure Praises to God, it sounded poetic. Went to church told my pastor he said I was interpreted. Another I was going to buy chocolates, my mouth just opened. I could not control it, I had to put my hands to my mouth. These are two occasions and I know we need to go on with Tongues. Please go on praying in tongues. Please use your prayer language, if it was not for today, Holy Spirit would not open my mouth and pray. I went thru a time after that and satan keep telling me that I am talking gibberish, and I stopped praying less and less in Tongues. Holy Spirit is the power. Please don't give it up in your prayer language. Let Holy Spirit guide you. Don't listen to anyone, but Holy Spirit.
It doesn’t matter what type of program or application used a natural mind will never ever understand spiritual things. I, me, I think NO NO what’s written point blank period the question should be why isn’t what’s written and seen in scripture not understood… WHY is the revelation not understood, foolish debate? Dr Brown on point… I’m not sure how mystery to GOD which is written Cory dismiss…Cory was bringing up things many have question, awesome discussion..
Mr Brown broke it down great! It seems the other gentleman is so stuck to his beliefs that he couldn’t receive what Paul was clearly saying. All his arguments were easily debunked
So if Paul said I'd rather speak 5 words then 10,000 are so many speaking in tongues in front of hundreds, thousands, 10s of thousands.... Paul says that's a good way to scare off young babes in Christ.... I really don't think anyone won or lost here I think Dr Brown is firm about tongues in private, and when done in Church- only with Interpretation.... To say Corey is way off in left field is just a lie... What is the definition of interpretation?? "a person who interprets, especially one who translates speech orally" What is the definition of a translator-""a person whose job is changing words, especially written words, into a different language."
Remarkably, Corey is not comprehending Acts chapter 2. The disciples were praising God in tongues in understood languages, and then Peter preached a sermon to everyone present in a language everyone could comprehend as a whole. Peter was not explaining what the disciples were speaking in various languages in tongues. The scripture clearly says that when they spoke in tongues, they praised God, not preaching. It is evident when you read the sermon from Peter what he was proclaiming to them. I'm not sure why Corey is not grabbing this. Pray that the Lord will open his understanding.
I believe he is making the mistake that a lot of people make. I’ve noticed this with the Reformed, Orthodox, and Catholics: they try to make the scriptures fit into their beliefs and precepts. I don’t think that he realizes that he’s doing it.
We must pray for Pastor Corey that GOD will open up his heart to accept that tongues is definitely a langauge which only GOD can understand,the Bible is pretty clear on that,this isn't a mind issue he's having,this is a heart issue,we all agree with you Dr Brown because the Bible is PRETTY CLEAR on this issue
That's his argument style. I admire what he did with the HBI argument but he has this arrogance of "I absolutely know what I'm talking about so the rest of what you have to say is irrelevant. " This is a classic cass of eiseges by Brown. He speaks 'tongues" so he has to justify it. He's clearly wrong and instead of letting him get his point out he just keeps talking over him. I strongly disagree with Browns arguments in the first 20 mins at least.
Corey, you should bow out on this one...Dr Brown is on point...you really should go back to the Drawing table! More study and prayer on this subject matter will strongly benefit you.
I never heard about tongues until I went to a large church meeting where the congregation was asked by the travelling preacher if they wanted to learn the practice. All missionaries had to spend time with their potential converts before they could share an understandable Gospel. We do not have testimonies of European missionaries speaking in ‘unknowable tongues’ to reach their foreign tongues. Why do we have sign language experts next to speakers these days. Couldn’t God simply speak into the heart of the deaf? Thank goodness for the clarity of Dr Brown, in the name of Christ.
@@sisterbecky411 The Holy Spirit clearly would not be giving us a gift to talk Gibberish. No one is saying the Holy Spirit is the one talking like this.
I use to be skeptical like Bro. Corey and Allen Parr. Then i received this wonderful gift from God. Thank you Jesus!
What does your gift look like if I may ask?
Amen same here
@TruthEvangelit doesnt look like anything. It is invisible! Same as the holy ghost who lives in you! You can't see him but you know by fsith he is there amen!
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Impossible. The gift or gifts are received at conversion not later on. Dr Brown teaches a "not another gospel", Galation double cursed pronounced gospel. He preaches Christ cannot save you to the uttermost.
Im up to 36:44 and I have to say that I thought I knew this topic well but Dr Brown has made some really interesting points that I have never heard before. Its quite a good discussion. Glad you got him on Cory. I actually listen to Dr Michael Brown a lot these days.
I have abit different interpretation than Brown, but my experience is like his lol. Prolly got the same thing.
Well That is I have spoken one word that was a real word confirmed by my wife in another earthly language. I may have done it also multiple times (where others are not present). My tongues have been different at times and there is like 7000 earthly languages (?). I think U can speak both earthly languages and what dr Brown thinks. But what we see is more usual, is what he says.
I would disagree. He is intellectually dishonest. He’s redefined tongues to fit his false experience. His points are only right if the definition of tongues has changed to some mystery language. Nonetheless, from my perspective, he lacks contextual integrity and chooses to adapt his interpretation of scripture to his own false experiences. If you go back to his old teachings, he has veered far off from where he started. He now associates with heretics and false teachers. As the the old adage goes, you hang with dogs you’ll get fleas.
I'd love to see you do a response video with your thoughts on this debate! I am honestly at a point where I want someone to convince me to stop, and Corey has come close but he has too many holes in his tongues systematic. Blessings brother
@@beaberean3286 stop speaking in tongues?
@@givethanks6714 yes absolutely! Over the past 2 years I have gone through all of my beliefs and have been trying to get someone to show me where I am wrong..I am constantly listening to opposing viewpoints so that I can be sharpened....but I still haven't found a convincing argument or hermeneutic that shows me tongues are not for today or shouldn't be used privately.
So far I have stepped away from WOF (some parts are valid in balance) prosperity gospel, pre- trib rapture, slight change on in women in ministry, how to understand prayer, and changed my understanding of free will (I'm not reformed) among other things....I am not quite as free acting on tongues and gifts as I once was, but no one has solid evidence against it in general.
I have determined that if something is clearly wrong according to scripture then I won't do it and I will submit.
I went to a gathering one night and a woman started to speak in tongues and there was a visitor there that understood what she was saying. The visitor was in shock because she was speaking in his language which was High German. He stood up with tears streaming down his face. He received Christ that night. Other times, when someone spoke in tongues, there was always someone that stood up to interpret right after. In my own experience, I pray in tongues in private, but there was one occasion while I was a missionary in Thailand and I went to visit a northern hilltribe. My translator could not understand or interpret for me, but the Holy Spirit spoke through me to a woman in her hut and she accepted Jesus. The whole tribe was gathered around and listening including the chief. Many of them came to Jesus too.
so how did you know they came to Christ if you couldn't understand them?
@@tomtemple69I am so glad you asked! Forgive my long reply in conveying my response to you. Other than the multiple witnesses from the team I led there, and most importantly, the Holy Spirit speaking to me, later on during our stay, my liason joined us. He was unable to come sooner. He is a Thai Christian and escorted us as far up the mountain as his pickup truck could take us. He had been working with that hilltribe previously and returned with a generator and sound system so we could reach a wider audience and have a worship concert for the entire village. He spoke the tribe's dialect and Thai. He translated through my translator what the chief and other tribe members excitedly had to say to me. (Specifically, with regards to their conversions.)
One of the people I spoke of in my initial comment was an older woman that was dedicated to demonic spirits while in her mother's womb, and she had tight string bracelets all the way up her arm, each representing an annual rededication as an offering to these spirits on behalf of her family. The tribe would also leave 'gifts' out to appease the spirits, so they would leave them alone. She let me cut those strings off of her arm and burn them while I sat with her in her hut immediately after she received the Holy Spirit. I was told that it was their belief that if she removed them, she would drop dead. This was conveyed to me by the Holy Spirit while it was happening, but confirmed later by my liason as well when he came to the village. In the past, they had witnessed instant death as a result with other individuals when someone messed with cutting those strings off. If they didn't leave offerings to the spirits, other bad things would befall their village.
The following day, a large group of us trekked to a watering hole and baptised those that received Jesus. I have photos. To get to this village, after my liason took us up the mountain in his pickup as far as we could go, the Holy Spirit led us the rest of the way. We had to trek through rice paddies infested with snakes, climb mountains with burned forests, and cross all kinds of other terrain to get there. I only had my Bible, a manual 35mm camera, another shirt and some concentrated soap to wash my clothing. I had to walk with these items on my head when wading through the rice paddies.
When God has a plan, even language barriers are no longer an issue. I had to rely 100% on the Holy Spirit as my translator and guide most of the time. I just go in faith as a willing vessel where He sends me, and trust Him to take care of the details. If I could post the photos here, I would.
@@tomtemple69 To come to Christ is to be saved or born again.
In order to be born again one must have recieved the Holy Spirit because the Word says," He that hath not the Spirit of Christ are none if his"( Rom.8:9).
How, in Acts ch.10, did Peter and the six with him know that the gentiles had come to Christ "." Can any man forbid baptism to these who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we did"?
How did the jews know that the gentiles had recieved the Holy Spirit ?
Because they spoke in tongues just as they did when they recieved.
@@robertnieten7259 so you have to speak in tongues prior to baptism? Are you not saved unless you speak in tongues?
@@tomtemple69 Speaking in tongues occurs only after water baptism. Simply put, during the remission of sins thst occurs buring water baptism the " temple" of our bodies are cleansed.
The temple of our body is cleansed as we pass through the baptismal water by the Holy Spirit and be abuse of the shed blood of Christ so that the Holy Spirit can take up permanent residence in our body.
According to scripture, the only evidence given that a believer has recieved the Holy Spirit when they recieve is the speaking in tongues ( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19).
Just as natural birth is the end result of a process so is spiritual rebirth.
"It's not by might (intellect) nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord."
Amen. This is shocking to me that Christians can't understand that we serve a supernatural God. We will never have all the answers. But to tell us to quit speaking in tongues or that it means nothing but gibberish is borderline blasphemy.
Dr. Brown has draw me to use my Heavenly language more ❤love both of you men of God
But he has no scriptural backing for gibberish
Amen, he says what I found to be true, I can't get away from the text and the thing that seems foolish to non believers is many times the very thing God uses to separate us from the world and make us peculiar. Thirdly, I find resistance to something so rudimentary to be a proud issue at its core.
@@godlygirls62 watch it again
@Mark Horn No the resistance comes from being biblically literate. Tongues in scripture were always human languages the scriptures gibberish speakers use to justify the gibberish were actually texts of rebuke with a lot of sarcasm
@@godlygirls62 once again, rewatch the video, and actually listen to it!
As usual, Michael Brown gives us excellent clarity directly from the Scripture.
Have you never had a preacher of Bible study leader that was so knowledgable they had your head spinning. I did. He could make anyone believe anything using the Bible and he wasn't half a ssmart as Brown. Be careful people.
I thank God for the baptism of His Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues it's the deepest level of my relationship with Him and it kept me from falling out of faith.
Thank you Dr. Brown
This was such a good conversation/debate!!
Thank you for debating him finally someone has. And thank you for pointing out that Muslims, Indians, Hindus Mormons all seem to have the same false gift of jibber jabber.
History will tell us that all the Jews that came back from every nation in acts spoken different dialects of Greek etc. They were from every nation because they had been scattered …The True gift in acts seems to be hearing because they said how is that we hear every man….in our own language
Bless u
@@idahojoe8232 scripture declares the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on the speakers. The hearers had no gifts yet because they didn't have the Spirit yet. To say the hearers had the gift of interpretation makes no sense
I pray for understanding for us all.
Amen
Amen
Everyone either hates the gifts or those who love the gifts, love it too much.
You got to be balance.
I appreciate this discussion so much! When I was 6 years old, my parents brought me to The Lutheran Conference of the Holy Spirit in Minneapolis. During one of the children’s sessions, I remember a little old lady teaching a group of us about the gift of speaking/praying in tongues. It is such a fond memory so I’ve always been open to this gift and began using this gift at an early age. I so wish that our evangelical continuest churches would teach about these gifts to young children. It definitely shaped my life from an early age. Thank you thank for teaching on this topic!!
LOVE Dr. Michael Brown. He's truly a powerful, anointed and well educated man of God! 🙏💪
Hey sister, what’s your opinion about the singular form of “tongue” (Greek word glosse) only used in a 1 Corinthians 14 and everywhere else in the Bible it’s plural “tongues” (Greek word glossais).
Also, why is the “singular” form always in the negative or corrective sense?
@@ShepherdMinistry ever considered the singular form of FRUIT of the spirit vs FRUITS?
@@wenhari06 Care to elaborate on how that compared to tongue and tongues?
It’s interesting how the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in 1 cor 14 and no where else. Any time the gift is mentioned it’s used in a plural sense of “tongues”. We see it all throughout acts and cor.
@@ShepherdMinistry in short the singular or pleural forms do not strengthen or weaken either the continuationist or cessationist positions.
@@wenhari06 Can you explain to me why the singular “tongue” is only mentioned in chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians? Why is it anytime the gift is mentioned it’s always used in the plural “tongues”? Paul only uses the singular form when correcting the misusing of the gift.
Get a Bible software and check it out yourself.
Great discussion. I appreciate the respect and civility between you both. I have actually enjoyed both of your ministries in the last couple of years. Keep fighting the good fight!
This is exactly why we have to be very careful about squabbling over secondary issues. You have two professed believers in Jesus who read from the same bible but disagree on tongues. While I believe many churches that display tongues openly with no interpreter are out of order. I don't have enough understanding or the purpose of the mystery of speaking in tongue alone. The most important thing that we ALL should seek is to surrender ALL to Jesus and live in obedience contending for the faith. Many seek signs and gifts because it makes them feel like they are on a level with God. It's a gift in itself to walk upright as close to the Lord as possible.
I am in total agreement with Dr.Brown teaching when I received the Holyghost speaking in tongues 40 years ago he changed my life and gave me power like never before. Thank you Jesus
Me too. I was just a kid and when I received the Holy Spirit, I just started speaking in tongues. I also had so much joy and laughter that was bubbling up inside. I couldn't contain myself. I hadn't heard anyone speak in tongues before this. It was an authentic and genuine experience. It's been just over 40 years for me too. :)
@@JaneofArc where is that in the Bible tho?
@@tomtemple69There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit and what happened the moment that they recieved( Acts ch.2,10,and ch.19).
In each instance the first thing that happened when they recieved the Holy Spirit is that they spoke in tongues.
The scriptures used the three repetitions for two reasons:
1) To alert us to the presence of an important spiritual truth.
2) To set a precident to where the same circumstance in scripture need not occur in as much detail.
This is according to the time honored wsy of interpreting scriptures called the Law Of Repetition.
@@robertnieten7259 Acts 2: the Apostles had tongues of fire over their head and heard a sound like a mighty rushing wind
Acts 10: it was Cornelius's house, a Gentile and they received it by hearing the gospel from Peter
Acts 19: Paul laid hands on those who were disciples of John yet never even heard of the Holy Spirit, and they were not only speaking in tongues but also prophesying, that wasn't mentioned in Acts 10...
every single circumstance was unique
"There are only three instances in the new testament to where we are told of believers recieving the Holy Spirit"
there are multiple instances of people receiving the Spirit and no tongues are mentioned
do you even know why the sign of tongues exists at all? they are spoken of in the old testament, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 14 what they are sign of
your interpretation completely ignores the context of the book, the chapter, and the Bible as a whole
1 Corinthians 12: not all speak in tongues
that is evident in Acts as well, and when Paul received the Spirit, there is no mention of him speaking in tongues...
the ethiopian eunuch didn't speak in tongues
@@brianlakieth yes, real human languages they had never learned before
Fantastic conversation. I would say Dr. Brown's position is expressed in stronger and more biblical terms.
Dr Brown is a better debater but he has twisted the Bible to fit his own theology. He is totally in the wrong and is a fake.
I agree. Looking at the chat replay though, I see many don't, and they don't even seem to have actually listened to what Dr. Brown was saying as their minds were made up. I was not exposed to tongues early, so it was strange to me and I had a bias against the concept of what seemed to be some weird thing, though I had nothing to base that opinion on.
Now I have the experience of tongues, having walked away from the Lord in the interim, then returned, seeking him. God saved my life, delivered me from affliction, and during that time I became a tongues-speaking Christian. Now I have seen many healing--through my own prayers and words from the Lord, and have had many miraculous answered prayers, and the times when I've been praying and singing in tongues A LOT have been the most powerful times in my life to date!
Praise the Lord! Obviously this is a contentious topic, one in which I now have to disagree with members of my family on, as they still do not believe the value of speaking in tongues, and label it gibberish the same as the fans of Smart Christian, I take it.. One good book, "Chasing the Dragon" about a young woman evangelizing in old Hong Kong, and what happened when she started to pray in tongues every day, and to encourage the new converts, many opium addicts, to do the same--and their withdrawal symptoms vanished as they received the prayer language, and they became peaceful, and able to live a life free of drugs, quickly, like, within a few days they had no more withdrawal symptoms returning. It was a powerful witness of the Holy Spirit at work--and speaking in tongues was an important part of the amazing changes in those lives of the down and out and dangerous drug criminals in that place.
I don't think so because Corey was right that either Acts 1 and 2 are demonstrating how the gift of tongues should operate or there is no biblical example which leads to all kinds of foolery in the name of Christ. Which is what we see today. Why is it that a high percentage of churches where tongues are practiced have prosperity or word of faith or demon deliverance or other non biblical madness present? If these churches are truly stewarding the gift of tongues properly they would be the most regenerated believers and all this madness would not exist.
@@soledisciple agreed
@@soledisciple Demon-deliverance isn't Biblical?? You are categorizing all these expressions of salvation "deliver" is also "save" --"DELIVER us from evil!" :) You are a cessationist. I agree with the fact there are abuses in the various movements, categories, churches, sects, etc. The evil one sows seed. But I think you are confused if you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased. THAT is certainly not a statement you will find in the Bible. I know, I know, it's "inferred." Because it happened then and "it's not happening now." At least where you are or from your POV.
It's wrong to attribute a miracle to a demon. It's also wrong to attribute to the Holy Spirit the work of a demon. BOTH are huge mistakes. And guess what, we need discernment. From...the Holy Spirit.
Is it easy to discern. Every false doctrine is due to lack of discernment at least in part. The word of truth has not been rightly discerned.
Many things trouble me in all sides of all the camps. Including yours. Including the prosperity gospel, etc.
But you are lumping things and this is pretty well always a mistake. Whether it's lumping a group of people or whatever. It smacks of sloppy research and bias--confirmation bias and selection bias. You are lumping works of demons with works of the Holy Spirit.
There ARE supernatural works of demons. There are supernatural works of the Holy Spirit. Both occur today. I lean towards the view of Andrew Strom, he has background in the charismatic and he also is critical of much of what he saw there. Firsthand experience holds some weight there, with Biblical basis.
I'm not saying anyone in particular is or isn't of the devil! God will allow the weeds to grow in the field of grain, and pull them out at the end and throw them in the fire.
Many beliefs, on all sides of the fence on this, are not actually Biblical, including the reform movement--lots of false beliefs in there. Such as cessationism.
Dr Brown makes a good case based on the scriptures. Good debate, Corey.
Dr. Brown made a good case based on how twisting of scriptures.
@@danielkim672 Right!!!
See how they go on every positive comment towards Dr. Brown to troll... this is how you know them... by their fruit and the spirit that's influencing the mocking comments you see here on your post is the same one of the Pharisees of old. That's how you see the enemy expose himself every time, he can't keep his pride hidden. They just convince me more and more that Dr. Brown is correct.
@@danielkim672, No. What Dr. Brown did was use Scriptures and state facts. You just happen to be one of those ignorant ones who reject speaking in tongues. Suite yourself because you will go to hell if you don’t have the Holy Spirit and you don’t have the Holy Spirit if you don’t have the SIGN. Period!
@@clarenceljackson2137, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. COREY DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT so therefore he is struggling with Tongues.
Dr Brown was excellent in breaking down every point to the max.
He was dishonest on several points. The text does not say that Peter spoke in a language everyone understood. The text says that they all heard Peter in their own language.
@@stevenlindsey2056it doesnt say they all heard Peter in their own language. Lets be Christian enough to be honest
@@wenhari06 It most certainly does. Read Acts 2:8 that is precisely what it says. Let's be Christian enough to be honest.
@@stevenlindsey2056 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
- Acts 2:8
Please show us where it says "they heard Peter in their own language"
@@wenhari06 That is what Acts 2:8 is saying. They are hearing Peter preach in their own language. Do you not comprehend English or are you purposely being dishonest?
One more thought. Dr. Brown throws this moral weight on Corey at the end, the "all these millions of people are just delusional", see this is why this topic is so difficult to talk about, because the cost of losing it is soooo much greater for Dr. Brown, just simply discussing this topic as possibly being wrong is a very personal thing for Dr. Brown, it is almost as though simplying bring arguments against him is attacking him personally, the passions get so high in the debate because of that, and I did feel like Dr. Brown did not give Corey enough time to give his perspective without interrupting him, and saying often to him, "you can't, there is No other way to interpret that text", super frustrating.
Tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit does not give bad gifts. I've had the gift since my teens but it is only in the last 10 years that I have understood how important it is. The more I pray in the Spirit the more sensitive I am to the Holy Spirit. There are different levels of tongues where it feels more like intercession and groaning referred to in Romans 8:26. Good debate
I agree and have experienced what you are talking about.
Amen and agreed!
Bad theology! The Holy Spirit groans not you, without words! Rom 8:26 is not about tongues but prayer...the Holy Spirit Himself, not your spirit, makes intercession FOR us. This is not "praying with the spirit" or praying in tongues!
To James saz
Point taken. However do not miss the point: “we do not know how to pray as we ought.”
But…….. something else is needed at times.
I’ve been following Dr. Michael Brown for a long time and I’m in total agreement with him on his position with speaking tongues. Awesome discussion. Let’s bring on Part 2.
Great debate, Dr Brown explain the scriptures very well
He slightly twists scripture very well.
If someone has a different interpretation of the word than you, he is not twisting the word automatically. To say something like this without examples is dangerous Brother.
If you pay attention closely Corey couldn’t answer a few questions that Dr.Brown asked.
@@brovaahood you can say that on both sides. Sometimes answers to questions get lost in a debate
@@brovaahood While you can say that on both sides, I would agree Dr Brown is a better debator than Corey right now.
I see most of the Carismatics I know SAY the right things…
1) Only in public through and interpreter
2) Only a couple at a time
BUT…
I see it IN PRACTICE completely different in most Pentecostal churches.
It seems they know what the Bible say, but proceed to all speak at once, and most without interpretation. And when there IS “interpretation” it’s so vague that nothing was revealed at all …
Thank you for this respectful and informative dialogue.
Man this is a great teaching from Dr. Brown and my belief and experience as well. Thank you Corey for being open to dialogue. This is what a love about Dr. Brown. He is not only passionate about the Holy Spirit but also passionate about the scriptures.
Michael brown did an excellent job. Very knowledgeable about the topic. I pray some day Corey will learn the truth regarding tongues in the scripture.
A great scholar D.A. Carson wrote a book, Showing the Spirit that I think we can all learn from. Highlighting the main points (taking from ChatGPT) “D.A. Carson affirms that speaking in tongues is a legitimate and valuable gift of the Spirit, but he also recognizes the potential for abuse and error in its exercise. Therefore, he offers some guidelines on how the gift of tongues should be expressed:
1. The gift of tongues should be exercised in accordance with biblical guidelines. This means that the exercise of tongues should be subject to the authority of Scripture, and not used in ways that go beyond or contradict biblical teaching.
2. The gift of tongues should be exercised in private or in a controlled public setting. Carson believes that the primary purpose of tongues is to edify the individual believer, so it is appropriate to exercise the gift in private devotions. In public settings, the exercise of tongues should be done in a way that does not disrupt the flow of worship or cause confusion.
3. Interpretation should be provided when necessary. If tongues are exercised in a public setting, Carson believes that interpretation should be provided so that the message can be understood by all. This interpretation should also be subject to the authority of Scripture.
4. Love and self-control are essential in the exercise of the gift. Carson emphasizes that the exercise of tongues should be done in a way that is loving and considerate of others, and that reflects the fruits of the Spirit, including self-control.
Overall, Carson's perspective on the gift of tongues is that it is a valuable and legitimate gift of the Spirit, but it must be exercised in accordance with biblical guidelines and with love and self-control.”
@@bengill1980 that's an incredible breakdown by chatGPT lol and very sound wisdom regarding tongues!! I agree
@@bengill1980 amen 🙏🏽
@@bengill1980 ChatGPT needs more Biblical infromation LOL. Even for the speaker of tongues, how can that speaker when speaking in tongues know what they are speaking if they don't also have the gift of interpretation? We have so many well known people on youtube and everywhere speaking in tongues. How many people do we know with the gift of interpretation. It would be weird to have millions of people speaking in tongues and like no one with the gift of interpretation.
Point 2 is wrong. Primary purpose of tongues is NOT to edify the individual. In Acts 2, it is clear, it benefited others. 1 Corinthians chapter 14, it is clear as well. Verse 22
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
This gift should be used for unbelievers, as just like Acts 2, this powerful gift shows the unbeliever easily the power of the True God and will lead unbelievers to Christ. Aka Evangelism.
Brown just want to destroy Christianity. Him and his fellows j--s are trying to kill the body of christ with poison from their serpent father
You have a man who prays in tongues frequently and a man who tries to discredit it. Obviously, the man who has a true experience with this gift of the spirit can correctly break down the verses, explaining it through the Holy Spirit's enlightenment. Well said, Dr. Brown.
See i visited a few charismatic churches and was encouraged to just speak gibberish and trust the holy spirit would make it make sense. I'm not opposed to being given a gift from the spirit but can't fake it till I make it. It seems blasphemous to me. I've been guided a few times in my life. Also had had prayers directly answered. There was no doubt where or who it came from. When God gives you something you dont need to fake it.
Almost all these folks are faking it as they don't want egg on their face admitting they were lying for 30 years.
Exactly. And why would you have to practice a gift? It would come natural... but seen many examples of these charismatics trying to teach people how to speak in tounge... Blasphemous is a good description.
God bless you both men of God
I just want to commend both sides here. Especially Mr Corey Minor. I’ve followed Dr. Brown for a few months now and have only seen one video from Brother Corey. I read and study the Word more than watching any UA-cam videos, but I was impressed by your humility, patience, and love throughout the conversation. May God bless you both and may the Lord be glorified ALWAYS!
Dr Brown is right on, we understand the scripture the same way and we never met. When I pray in the Spirit, I think I speak in many dialects. I don`t understand the words but it sounds like different languages. I don`t understand French or Russian but I can tell they are different languages. I am not a good speaker in my native language English, but when I speak in tongues I can speak very fluently and with power. Even though I don`t understand the words I speak sometimes I know for what or who I am praying for. I can pray in the Spirit with unbelievable urgency and power that I can`t duplicate in english.
It's really good to see Dr Brown appearing on Corey's UA-cam. I'm not fully convinced that Corey is really a biblical continuationist. Had he not made that statement he sounds very much like a cessationist to me. Shout out from the uk 🇬🇧
Good discussion . I had a very vexing experience after a short lived 'tongues' experience, which 'mystical' ( closing off ones mind.. similar to New Age contemplative practices today ) methods where employed ( based on coaching of Charismatics and their literature of that time ) Sensed I LOST Salvation and Peace after being drawn into ONENESS Doctrine of their interpretation of Acts 2:38, in which water Baptism servs as a conduit of the Blood of Christ... Therefore one cannot be saved unless one gets water Baptised by Oneness Pastor with Tongues as proof of HOLY SPIRIT indwelling. But even then, according to their doctrine on must maintain works to KEEP Salvation, which Most Trinitarian Charismatics hold to. Before my tongues experience I had many encounters with cults like 'The WAY', JW, LDS, Swedenborgain.. which I had enough discernment to sense their errors.
If a discerning Christian questions ant so called manifestation of the Miraculous , they get accused ( guilt tripped ) of "committing the Unpardonable Sin " Its my conviction that many who fall for charismatic theology fall into a spirit of fear if they question their theology. Fear of the Unpardonable sin is the glue that many Charismatics get into emotional bondage and loose their effectiveness in Chrisitan Witness.
My brief experience with tongues was most sincere in the motive of a 'closer' walk with Jesus Christ, but was mere gibberish nevertheless. To my shame there was a very 'cocky' spiritual pride during that short time.
I had unshakable understanding and assurance of Salvation prior to this mishap.
Maybe Dr Brown's experience is different from mine. Maybe Tongues draw Dr Brown closer to GOD and Service for HIM. My experience was just opposite.
I won't argue either cessationist or continuation of Tongues. I cannot deny however of the bad fruit of many charismatic ministries despite the hype and blitz. ( Non Charismatics ..Calvinists, 7th Day, RC, SBC, have their issues also ) Charismatic hype is always been the majority in Chrisitan TV since 1970s.
Most Charismatics deny Eternal Security of Born Again believer. If that's true, then I'm once again on the road to Hell despite the promise of Eternal Security I sensed the moment I trusted Christ a few years prior to my tongues experience. How anyone can be truly happy and joyful in the LORD with out this precious promise is beyond me.
"Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."
Luke 10:20
Dr. Brown took this round.
No way
@@danielkim672 all the way.
@@Brother_Dre1900 I wholeheartedly disagree. If you’re claiming Dr Brown won it’s because you’re biased
@@Brother_Dre1900 Dr Brown is clearly twisting Scripture to suit his won theology. It is crystal clear.
@@cephasrock9175 that's okay if you disagree, it still doesn't change what I believe to be the case. Moreover, I can easily say that you believe otherwise because you're biased.
Do you see how that works?
Dr. Brown outclassed Corey.
Thank you Corey for having Dr. Brown as a guest. His understanding of what took place in Acts Chapter 2 has always been my understanding of it as well. Peter was not interpreting tongues, he was highlighting it as the miraculous phenomenon prophesied by the Prophet Joel. Those who were speaking in tongues were actually speaking the languages of those gathered in Jerusalem. And the real miracle was the fact that the Galileans who did not speak those languages were able to speak them with such clarity that all of the ethnic groups gathered in Jerusalem was able to clearly understand them.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.
Thank God for people like Michael Brown! Great explanation of speaking in tongues. Agreed 100%
Amen to that!
i think dr brown is wrong on this one. they need to cover this topic properly, go through the greek. start at acts 2.
Apostle Paul spoke in Hebrew, Latin , Greek and Aramaic which was taught setting at the feet of Rabbi Gamaliel the Jewish scholar.
These are the tounges Paul spoke of, an established language not gibberish which is so popular today which is no language at all.
Incorrect, but you’ll learn hopefully one day. I find it very interesting that only in countries where like Laodecia one of them is USA, you guys have those discussions. But please explain Acts 19:6. So when Paul laid hands on them they automatically got Rosetta Stone languages downloaded? What languages did they speak at that moment. Please answer…..
@@chaplainsoffice6907 so you’re saying a spiritual gift wasn’t a spiritual gift at all, just a skill someone learned? That’s really interesting because Paul called it a spiritual Gift. Meaning hat it was something the Spirit enabled someone to do. Scripture didn’t get you to that belief, and if it did,it’s because you have a terrible hermeneutic l.
Great hearing two men of God speak ,I have to say I'm a believer in tounges when I spoke it there is no denying that was real without question
How do you know your tongue was real? Did you understand what you were saying? Do you know someone with the gift of interpretation that if they heard you, they could retell it in English? Do you speak in tongues to unbelievers to share the Gospel when needed as the Bible instructions us to if we have the gift?
All I will say to you as sure as christ is real what he revealed, blessed me with gifted me with was real and he left no doubt in me exactly what happened. I take it you have not received this?
@@theebluecollarworker750 Satan masquerades as an Angel of Light. You could have channeled another spirit thinking it was God because you’re spiritually deceived. 😂
@@theebluecollarworker750 No, I have not the gift of tongues. As in the BIble, tongues was used and instructed to be used for Evangelism. Where I am at right now, I use English language to Evangelize. I answered your question, will you answer mine? Do you understand what you are saying when speaking in tongues? Tongues and Interpretation are two different gifts. So if you do not have the gift of interpretation, even YOU will not understand what you are saying.
1 Corinthians 14:22
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
The Bible is Clear in Acts 2, tongues was used to Evangelize. The instructions are clear here that the tongues, are a sign not for believers to benefit from , but unbelievers. It shows unbelievers some of the true power and promise of God through our Holy Spirit and brings people to Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@danielkim672 Amen! You made your claim perfectly clear...but everyone is not open to receiving it, and that's okay, we don't all have to agree; but I appreciate and value my gift from God! But you showed great restraint and patience in your replies! Keep loving as Christ has commanded us to do!🙏🤗💞
I absolutely agree with Dr Brown. Jackie Pullinger, a British missionary in Hong Kong prayed in tongues regularly. Through this means God enabled her to work in the most appalling conditions. Leonard Ravenhill attributes her mission success to regular private communion with God in tongues. 🙏🕊️
Very good talk, He was constantly dodging when Dr. Brown mentioned "speaking mysteries onto God", Tongues are definitely of use for today and are a private prayer language to God alone
the thing s he has done a teaching on what that means it was for the purpose of keeping the conversation about the topic they were discussing. he knew dr brown disagreed so instead wanted to come to a common understanding first.
yup, its ONE gift, and not everyone gets it
im sick of the eisegesis that justifies the "private prayer language that everyone gets" is a separate gift
@@tomtemple69 Separate from what?
@@lalonguecarabine4952 many charismatics claim that speaking in tongues is a different gift than speaking in tongues
first off Paul says IF i pray in tongue(hypothetical) only my spirit prays and the mind is unfruitful
therefore if you do speak or pray or sing in a tongue, pray that you may interpret so that everyone can know what is being said and can be edified by it
@@tomtemple69 You should try that one again, you made multiple mistakes in the quotation and frankly I don't know what your point is.
Dr. Brown was brilliant 👏🏽
Dr Brown is a brillant debater and brillant at presenting twisting of Scritpure
@@danielkim672 you mean brilliant at presenting scripture.
@@travisrosenthal398 Okay, i fixed it
@@danielkim672 I just find it interesting that you say Dr brown is twisting scripture when he is simply going with the plain reading of the text. It is Cory that is adding so much to the text it’s not even funny. Furthermore, everytime brown pressed Cory on certain points, instead of talking about them, Cory said, “We’ll come back to that.”
@@travisrosenthal398 HE is twisting Scripture as his plain reading of the text is wrong and not Biblical
It is also a historical fact that Paul was well educated and spoke multiple languages.
He didn’t speak all languages though..
he spoke multiple languages as in Greek(mother tongue), Hebrew and most likely Aramaic. He didnt go into one place where they spoke another language, aside from these three.
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Yes this makes sense. When he says he speaks more tongues than any of you. He spoke more language than anyone else as well as tongues that the Holy spirit gave to understand new languages.
@@Jonathan-tw4xm after explaining in 1 Cor 14:2,14 that when he prays/speaks in tongues he doesn't understand what he is saying. Speaking in multiple worldly languages with your mind is not a spiritual gift, it is a mental talent.
@@richardnewell8478 no your wrong
“For anyone who speaks in A TONGUE does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.”
It’s like someone uses the gift of speaking in tongues to speak spanish while in the church in the Netherlands even tho he also speaks dutch he chose to speak spanish. God knows what he’s saying but the dutch brothers and sisters don’t. so he might be praising god in spanish but he’s therefore only edifying him self and not the brothers and sisters who are only dutch speaking. So for everyone in the church he is uttering misteries by the spirit they don’t understand you. And you’re not suppose to use the gift of tongues in that way.
This example☝🏾is what paul is rebuking here
Are you saying that Paul speaks in other actual languages when he says that he speaks in tongues more than anyone? That would be very dissappointing for charismatics and very impressive to me if he was a polygot.
100% correct
@@archielang7427 Yes exactly. It is not that Paul is a polygot from the definition he himself has the education of these languages, the Holy Spirit allows him to speak like he knew these languages. I am not sure if Paul ever claimed he also had the gift of interpretation, so he might not even know what he is saying when he is speaking in tongues. I could be wrong here though. Maybe Paul did say he had the gift of interpretation as well.
@@danielkim672 Paul says he prayed with his mind so this would imply he interpreted what he was saying.
1 Corinthians 14:13-15
[13] Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. [14] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. [15] What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, 👉but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
@@ShepherdMinistry So in verse 14, Paul acknowledges he has the gift of tongues and we should also pray to have the gift to interpret. Obviously that is ideal if you are in quiet prayer to God. I would agree it 'could' be safe to assume Paul has the gift of interpretation to, but hard to tell for sure. We know that these are two separate gifts and not everyone has both.
I enjoy listening to Dr Brown debates, they edify my spirit and make me proud to be a believer. I like Mr. Minor I like his Gino Jennings videos, but he is kicking against the prick (Acts 9:5)
Corey picked the wrong fight here. Dr. Brown, per the usual; broke this down line by line. Corey focused on a single aspect of tongues, & got stuck there. The moment he said that he’s a “Biblical Continuationist”, which I’ve seen him say so many other times while proving he’s not; he’d lost.
I don't think that statement killed his argument, though I don't know that it's a completely accurate statement. I think he still made a lot of good points.
@@jeldredmitchell it kills his statement, because exactly what dies he define “Biblical Continuationism” as? You see, he has other videos where he claims that there are no more prophets or apostles, which is the exact doctrine of cessation. Yet he say here he’s not a Cessationist. So is it jus his personal interpretation of what Continuation is, or something else?
@@rapmeister1000 i dont know about all these interpretations of what a biblical continuations isbut there being no prophets or apostles today does not mean cessationist. It is a fact THERE are no prophets and apostles today. and ABSOLUTE BIBLICAL FACT. The gifts are alive today for sure, people have them, but most of the ones that say they have it are fakes unfortunately. I agree with Corey in that the gifts that are true, are used in the same manner that Scripture provides us. IMO Corey had the Biblical support. Dr Brown is just a better debator.
@Daniel Kim Dr. Brown being better is a given, as he's an actual Apoligist. I sat in his lectures at Liberty U studying Apologetics. And Dr. Brown had scriptural support as well. His advantage is that as an expert in Near Eastern Semetic Language, he has a far more in-depth grasp of context than does Corey.
Now Cessationism indeed teaches that there is no more Five-fold ministry. It is NOT a biblical fact, in any measure; that there are no more apostles or prophets. If it were, then according to Eph 4, there is no more church or ministry. That is a biblical fact.
Ephesians 4:11-13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
The five-fold was given by Yahweh, not by man. So, who is any man who has the authority to declare that Yahweh has now taken it away, frauds aside? And exactly when was it taken away? If two of the gifts are taken away, yet all five are given from the same source; then all 5 must be gone. Yet neither Corey nor you will declare that evangelists, pastors, & teachers are no more. Why? Is the present church now perfected? Does the body no longer require edification? Have we all come to the unity of the faith?
All of these are the questions I ask Corey, and all those who share his position. I've yet to receive a contextually correct answer. And, like him, I stand ready to discuss this live at any time.
@@rapmeister1000 My intention is to go back and listen to these videos again and again, because both of them argue their points well. And listening to them is really helping me to organize my own thought s. Iron indeed does sharpen iron. I don't think there is a loser in this debate. We all win when we are given the opportunity to examine the two perspectives in view of scriptures, point-by-point. True seekers of God and His truth are weighing these two individuals' arguments with the motive of getting an understanding. I don't find Corey's term of "biblical continuationist" to describe himself necessarily helpful, and yet, Dr. Brown's explanations and interpretations are not satisfying me. This I find more troubling than Corey's moniker for himself. I will continue to study further, and weigh, and pray. I respect both brothers immensely and the only thing that matters to me here is the truth.
1 Corinthians 14:33
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
I actually really enjoyed this conversation!
I want to say that i knew a man who was muslim. He started reading the bible. He already knew the Koran, but he was seeking to know from God Almighty which book is true and if Jesus is really God's son. He wanted truth and clarity and he had been praying and seeking God for a sign so he could follow the right path. Turns out that he was invited to a little church in his neighborhood where some of his friends were members. This day God used, at this particular servive, a little old lady of Spanish decent, to start speaking in To gues and he explains he gave his heart to the Lord Jesus because the little old lady speaking in Tongues witness to him in classical arabic, very difficult language to learn and practice. She answered what he was asking God Almighty to confim to him . She kept repeating over and over in Arabic. "i am a witness that Jesus Christ is the son of God", this convinced him and he was reborn of the spirit of God.
I truly high another level of respect for Dr. Brown
The debate was over at 5:35
Respect to Corey for bringing Brown on- but easy win for Brown. Sadly Corey had to use “private interpretation” to make his exegesis work. Come back to the baptism of the Spirit brother :)
Really ?
Very true I’m praying he repents of his own private interpretations. Dr Brown was very clear that not 1 Greek translator agrees with his interpretation 🤦🏾♂️
Dr Brown showed that he Twists Scripture and is false. Clearly in this videos and others.
Totally agree! Brown is sticking to the Word … bc he has Spiritual insight ( the Holy Ghost) Corey seems to be speaking from a carnal perspective.. it’s veryyyy evident Corey does have the Holy Ghost… not saying in any disrespectful way… but saying bc of his views… 🙏
@@dontracy8924 Dr Brown, is clearly twisting Scripture and tells outright lies. Brown sticks to the Word, but it is a very twisted version of it. Creates his own theology.
I was hoping they would talk more about this History of speaking in Tongues in America. There is a great article by Mark Tabata titled “The History Of Gibberish Speaking In American Churches”. It’s a very good read. It covers some of the Pagan religions using this practice (Praying to Apollo) including Native American tribes (for their rituals), and how early African slaves in America used this practice because they misinterpreted the gift of tongues as African “Spirit Dances” with the “spirit-possessed” person muttering this practice began to spread at first only in the South and the participants were mocked by the mainline denominations as “Holy Rollers.”. Anyway great video, next time it would be interesting to see two Scholars with two different perspectives and see how they would debate this topic. God Bless!
Dr Brown was very clear and stayed in line with scripture on this topic. I pray Corey changes his mind on this topic.
What scripture did he give to state that tongues are an angelic language, or a private prayer language, or that they weren't a known language?
@@smartchristians Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.1 Corinthians 13:1. He said it could be an earthly language or heavenly language. Currently there are over 7,000 living languages. The Holy Spirit could have someone speak in an unknown tongue that is heavenly or an earthly language. Corey have you heard all 7,000 languages? If not its best not to speak and assume a tongue is gibberish.
Not a good response nor Biblical. Did Paul or anyone else in the Bible speak in an Angelic Language? NO. did an angel speak in a language other than the language of the speaker? NO. So Literally there is no Biblical basis to conclude Paul was saying there was a language of an angel that men speak. Secondly, why would anyone equate this so-called language of angels to be the same as "Tongues"?
No where in the Bible is there a mention of a heavenly language.. Nor was that ever a real consideration by the early church. This is a new phenomenon from the last 120 years. If what you propose is not in the Bible then it is by definition "UnBiblical".
@@smartchristians Corey this is sad. Why would Paul say, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,..." if he didn't? Why would you agree with Paul saying he spoke in the tongues of men but not with the tongues of angels when Paul says it himself?
@@PlaymakersInTheFaith No, your and Dr Brown's interpretation is not Biblical and it twists Scripture. Tongue of Angels. Why do you think Angels speak in some other language that is not earthly? Could the Angels has a different language? Perhaps, but we have no EXAMPLE in Scritpure of that. If we are using Scripture to test Scripture to find Biblical truth, then we have no information from the Bible that has Angels SPeaking in any other language than the language of the person who is spoken to. Why couldn't the Angels speak in their heavenly language and God give the gift of interpretation to the human to know what was said? That never happened. All the Angels spoke in an earthly language.
You are making an assumption, asserting your presupposition to infer into the text that that verse means an angelic or heavenly language.
Such a great video! The way dr brown explains it is really the way I understood it. Thanks for bringing him on dr Brown did an excellent job explaining the word. Thanks dr brown- pls do come back again! Love it ❤
So u disagree with Corey's view??
I think dr. Brown explained it very clearly so basically meaning when your home in your secret place you're praying in tongues speaking Mysteries that only God can understand that's pretty to decipher
@@niceguy3000k Dr Brown explained his own viewpoint of it. In Greek, tongues means literally language. In Acts and 1 Corinthians 14, the use of the word tongues means an actual language. It is an absolute miracle that anyone could speak another language they never studied, and even never heard before fluently. Only with the power of the Holy Spirit could that happen. If one is speaking in tongues privately with and to God, what makes one think this is not in a language they do not know? when that individual speaks in a tongue, that will be a mystery to that person as only God would know, unless the interpretation happened as explained later in chapter 14. There is no instruction that says tongues should be only in your secret place. It should be shared as a gift. To who though? Verse 22 is clear
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
So then, how can tongues not be a language? If the gift needed to be used to reach unbelievers?
If the apostles speak languages from this world in acts 2, why there was some people who dont understand them. Some people understand them perfectly, who were god fearing jews and some dont understand them at all, who were not god fearing. They thought that the apostles were drunk, and thats how i exactly sound like, when i pray to the father in touges.
@@niceguy3000k 1 Corinthians 14:22
[22] 👉Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, 👈while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.
How would you explain this? Tongues is for others not for yourself.
This was a very interesting debate. The way that Dr. Brown explained the scriptures was both enlightening and edifying. Both speakers were decent and respectful.
On the day of pentecost, they spoke in known languages. Paul in Corinthians speaks of known and unknown languages. But Paul also stated "1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."
Thank you Dr. Brown, i totally agree. There are some who pray in the spirit during their intimate time with God in prayer. . There is no interpreter there because it's between you and God through the Holy Spirit. Jude says it's a heavenly language.
Where does Jude say it's a heavenly language?
@@delandomcwilliams5737
In Jude 20 it says praying in the Holy Ghost. . Now, please tell me, is that not a heavenly language, since only heaven can understand. I know you are looking for direct words but when you study you won't find the direct words, so what people like you try to do is compare tomatoes to tomotoes. And potatoes and pototoes. Question: What language did Jesus pray in when He took off and prayed all night. . Or when He was in the Garden? You don't know because scripture doesn't say. . Just like Corey doesn't know because scripture doesn't say. .
@@fd2lministries923 Stop it Sir. There is no such thing as a heavenly language. The angels never spoke in tongues from what we read. Jesus never spoke in tongues from what we read. You're saying " build yourself in the Spirit" means tongues. So what if I study the word of God and learn more about the gospel and taking it to heart? That's not building myself in the Spirit? I have to read in tongues? What if I used to get angry at ppl when they made fun of me and curse them out? Now I just pray for them? Is that not building myself in the Spirit? What if I start a men's group in which we discuss our struggles as Christian men and discuss ways to let the Spirit lead us out of temptation? Is that not building ourselves up in the Spirit? It only tongues really right? Come on now
@@delandomcwilliams5737
Who said anything about reading in tongues? And you're telling me to stop it? Wow bro. That's classic. . But it's All good, you're in agreement with Corey and I'm not. Nothing against him though, I agree with about 80-85% of what he teaches and that's pretty good but I don't agree with him on tongues and tithing. . So how bout you and I agree to disagree? I won't get caught up in foolish debates. . I know how God operates in my personal relationship with Him and you know how He operates in your personal relationship with Him. . That's why it's called a personal relationship. . God bless you brother.
@@delandomcwilliams5737 building yourself up in the Spirit is through prayer lead by the Holy Spirit and can be your regular language or heavenly language by the Holy Spirit which is mysteries being spoken at that point.. Praying in the Spirit is also a weapon of warfare as seen in Ephesians ch 6 .. Studying and being in God's presence ,meditating on God's promises etc all buildings and edify you... But when one prayes in the apirit that goes to a deeper level because thwy Holy Spirit takea over andbprays for you and through you as you yield ...
I knew when Corey wanted to debate Michael Brown that he was trying to bite off more than he can chew.
I think it was a good discussion and willingness to engage with a well defended, opposing point of view comes from a place of maturity and openness that brings value to all who view the exchange.
Who said it was a competition. What happened to iron sharpening iron?
I never opined that it was a competition, but I have watched Corey engage in intellectual snobbery with individuals with inferior erudition than his. Notice that his tone is different with Michael as juxtaposed to others he engaged with about tongues.
@@shawnshell5961 That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But to say Dr. Brown was right on this one is clear bias.
@@TimothyC.84 Amen to that. I have been on the fence about this, and I needed to hear two sincere individuals discuss it rationally. And even when you lean one way, sometimes you may not be able to articulate it well to others. Sincere back and forth between believers who follow the rules of using the Word to support their points helps all of us organize our thoughts and weigh things better. Iron does sharpen iron.
I have been in a Pentecostal church for 16 years.. Tongue's is not a new thing..In my church it is used mainly for prayer if you have the gift..Not every member in the church speaks in tongues at prayer..I have only spoke in tongues one time and that is when the Holy Spirit was heavily on me at a time I was dealing with cancer...
Was the tongue in an actual language. Did your church have a single person with the gift of interpretation? Tongue is not a new thing. Interesting.
Hi Jerry, just wanted to encourage you. I have been speaking in tongues for 31 years! All the adults in my church speaks in tongues - and most of their children. We can speak in tongues at will - you do not have to wait for the Spirit to be "heavy". The apostle Paul said that he "will" speak with tongues and he "will" speak with his understanding - it was an act of his will, not an emotional or external feeling. Pentecostals use to teach this years ago. They thought the Spirit had to be "high" in the service or a "heavy" anointing. Or, they were waiting on the "unction" before they spoke. The reality is, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE UNCTION! The supernatural part is the language and not the speaking. You do the speaking and the Holy Spirit gives the language as YOU speak. Enjoy!
@@aew1011 The entire church speaks in tongues? I would like to see that. Truly, where is it? Does that church steam live on youtube? If everyone speaks in tongues, there has to be a lot of folks with the gift of interpretation right? Do you know what you are saying when you speak in tongues or do you have the gift of interpretation?
@Daniel Kim Hey - there are many churches where the majority speak in tongues. There has been interpretation and prophecy . The thing is, we all understand the difference between tongues given as a message and tongues where are speaking to God. God understands all languages and there is no need for interpretation. When visitors come, we don't do it loudly because they may not know what is going on. Only a tongue that is giving a message needs to be interpreted.
@@aew1011 Of course God understands every language, I never said He didnt. But is speaking in tongues to God more edifying than speaking in English to God? That is a legit question as when I ask it, no one that speaks in tongues has an answer. Also, we have so many churches that proudly live stream, which is great. More preaching the word the better. I have yet to see a church were all or the majority of people speaking in tongues live stream. I am sure many people would like to see it. You say you have people with the gift of interpretation. I know folks that say they have gift of tongues but not the gift of interpretation but they would like to get interpreted, So knowing what churches to go to to get that would be awesome.
Finally, you say only tongues that is giving a message needs to be interpreted? So you mean speaking in tongues in private to God, when you don't know the actual meaning of the words is fine? That is more edifying than praying in English?
Again, I would love to find a person with a true gift of interpretation. There are literally millions of people it seems like with the gift of tongues, but not interpretation. that is interesting.
Corey keeps saying that it's not in scripture but God say I am God, I will do my good pleasure. . Meaning God will do what He wants, not just in one area of history but in All areas of history. . You can't put God in a box. .
Ok yeah you’re wrong for this. Everything God wanted us to know about spiritual gift, or Christian lifestyle is in the Bible. If it’s not in the Bible it’s not from God. Y’all need to stop saying that we are putting God in a box just because we believe that He has put Himself in a box called the Bible! So my sister if it’s not in the Bible then it’s not of God. Period point blank!!!
@@b.eunice
That's your opinion Eunice, and you're entitled to that but let me asked you something hopefully you can answer it but I know you can't because it's not in the bible. Question is what language was Jesus praying in when He would take off to pray alone, sometimes even all night in prayer?
Or even when He was praying to the Father in the Garden? You don't know because scripture doesn't say. . Ohh but I forgot, if it's not in the bible it's not true. . Please! Like I said, stop putting God in a box.
@@fd2lministries923 What is with this argument how Jesus was praying to God the Father and what language? NEver heard this argument but very childish lol
@@fd2lministries923 what are you talking about? The prayers of Jesus are in the Bible, which means they were given to the Gospel writers in a language they could understand, not in some unknown language, or they wouldn’t be in the Bible in the first place.
@@AfricanSheep
Shirley Bisschoff, where are they given in the Bible? John 17 is the only place where we find the Lord's prayer. . When He prays for His disciples (in a public setting) and in the gospels when He gives them a format of prayer when they asked Him to teach them to pray. . And of course when He prays in public before resurrecting Lazarus which He says was for the sake of their faith. So stop making up stuff. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you what or how He prayed when He would leave to pray to the Father privately. . So the question is what are you talking about. . Nevermind, don't even answer that. . I'm done with it. . If you do reply don't wait for me to answer. .
Praise God For You Corey And Dr. Michael Brown, I appreciate both of you. I am just delighted that you do not continue to engage with BCV...stay in the spirit. For the record I have always prayed in the spirit only in private not publicly. We will all uncover the truth of the matter when we see Jesus. We can celebrate that we all will see Jesus because of the blood of Jesus. JESUS IS LORD...!!!
What do you mean when you say..."pray in the Spirit"?
Love it Dr Brown. Spot on!
Yup. I'm with Brown's natural reading of Acts 2 here, that Peter wasn't interpreting what the people say when they speak in tongue but EXPLAINING - and then proceeding to preach Christ - what was happening to the people who speak in tongue ✔️ and thanks Corey for the good discussion/conversation ❤
Browns a heretic
@@bibleman7757… and your evidence?
That’s neither here nor there. Tongues are still a language.
@@TimothyC.84 1 Corinthians 14:2. It’s a tongue that God understands…. And persons who have the gift of interpretation…… I respect Corey’s “take” but according to the scriptures Brown is on point.
@@sdonald83 It’s not saying that it’s a good thing to be speaking to God and not men since the purpose of tongues is to edify the church.
THANK YOU DR. BROWN!
Dr Michael Brown is a legend!
I think no man is a legend. This is about finding truth.
@@jeldredmitchell 👍
He got washed up by GRLA Hebrew
@@uchennasunday7037 lol no. He most certainly did not.
Speaking in a different languages is only a gift if you understand what you are saying.
If everyone in the congregation speak English why would you not speak English?
Apostle Paul spoke Hebrew, Latin, Greek and Aramaic, these are the language Paul spoke of a KNOWN language.
22:00 Dr. MB miss spoke!!!
In Acts 21 verse 40 going into chapter 22 Paul evangelized in the Hebrew tongue
Being able to speak in the Hebrew language actually saved Paul’s life
And why is 1 Corinthians 14:13 the most overlooked verse that these unknown tongue speakers can’t ever answer
he also spoke Greek in the chapter before
@@ThePreacherman9 but that's not the gift of tongues he's using if he already knows the Language....so he didn't misspeak, he was just focusing on the supernatural occurrences of tongues.
@@beaberean3286 if Michael brown was bringing up Paul saying"I speak in tongues(glossa- foreign languages) more then any of you" then he has to properly define what Paul meany,and Paul surely spoke more languages then any of these people,he spoke hebrew&Aramaic being a Pharisee he spoke Latin because that was common tongue of the roman empire hr spoke greek, so yes Paul spoke in more tongues then anyone
@@ThePreacherman9 okay but then is that a spiritual gift of tongues? Because the Spirit gifts people to speak languages as he wills, not because man learns it through education. Also, if Paul spoke multiple languages naturally, then He would also know how to interpret them naturally so there would be no need for that gift.
Clearly 1 cor 14 is about the spiritual gift of tongues...
@@beaberean3286 yes and chapter 14 has nothing to do with some type of language no one speaks 14:2 is misunderstood
Cory is cool but he is 100 percent wrong when it comes to this gift and this conversation further solidified that truth. To compare the gift of tongues to anything Demonic is a grave error. I pray that GOD grants Corey the humility to repent.
When did I say the gift of tongues was demonic? The true Biblical tongues that is.
100 percent wrong.? In what areas is what Corey stated unBiblical?
You don’t have to speak in tongues you get to speak in tongues. You don’t have to have a sword and crossbow to go into a battle you get to have one!
I grew up in tongue speaking church, left God when an adult. Came back to a tongue speaking church and God brang me back himself. He did not use anyone. And lately I have come across Chris Roseborough, Steve Kozar and here the other side of the argument. Now I haven't spoken in tongues for 5 months. But I am not refuting it yet. I did but it keeps coming up in my spirit. And today I have read the scriptures myself and from what I read, Tongues just being languages does not make sence. If I speak in an actual language I understand, my mind is engaged along with my spirit.
Also Cory from what I have been taught about tongues, again right now I am still undecided on tongues atm. But the benefit of tongue is God praying to God on your behalf speaking the mysteries of your own heart, praying what really matyers over your life, edifying you. For example, in English I can pray Lord I ask for a wife, house, family, what is your will, lead me, help me with (insert struggling sin) etc. However God already knows your heart and knows where to start and what you need most, so God (Holy Spirit) is praying to God (The Father) for you. You pray what you can see about yourself, God prays about what you cannot see about yourself (mysteries)
Hebrews 6 , explains Spiritually Dull. I say this with Love Corey, "Go back to your gifts of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues again". We need more Spiritually ignited people.
Much Love
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Spiritually dull LOL. Cmon. Corey is Biblically right. Dr Brown twisted Scriptue to fit his theology.
@@danielkim672 1 Corinthians 14:33🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@lamontpayton9153 You have to explain how 1 Corinthians 14:33 applies to Corey. I think that applies to Dr Brown as Michael's teachings are twisting Bible text.
@@danielkim672 All I can say is that the Holy Spirit gives joy, peace,love,gentleness , patience, faithfulness and self control. If you want to listen to Corey, fine. I'm not a follower of Man, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ (My Lord and Savior) and if we're following the examples of Christ, we don't have time to sit on You Tube everyday looking for someone's fault. God looks beyond the faults of Man and sees the needs.
Much Love
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@@lamontpayton9153 Wait, a youtube commentor is rebuking me on youtube for making youtube comments? It is not about looking for faults in people. I don't know Dr Brown personally, so I am not looking for faults about him personally. It is about his PUBLIC teaching, which is false. so we , as Christians are taught to rebuke. Who said I was a follower of Corey? Corey is a teacher of the Word, and I listen to him as well as many others. I have listened to many many Dr Brown teachings too. It is not like I listen to only people I agree with. I have to invest time in folks like Dr Brown as well.
@56:16 Paul speak in tongue more than all of you… Dr Brown is grossly misinterpreting this. It’s not publicly vs privately (where Paul uses gift of tongue as a private prayer language), instead it’s to believers vs unbelievers which is in context. Tongue is a sign for unbelievers, and Paul was tasked to spread gospel and found churches all over, so it would make logical sense that he’s using the gift of tongue that way, and that’s what Paul is talking about when he says he speak in tongue more than all of you.
Edit: Right as I wrote this Corey made the same counter argument that it’s believers vs unbelievers which was the context, and Dr Brown quickly mentions time and ran away from it. He is a seasoned debater and saw that he’s about to be backed into a corner, so he start talking about all these personal experiences that has nothing to do with all of this, that’s all hearsay and the opposite can be said. Praying in gibberish was found in paganism, we need to be rooted solid in the word and not twist the word to fit our own narrative.
You 2 guys are great, and it makes me realize I need to read my Bible a lot more.
WONDERFUL and THE BEST CONCLUSION!.... GOD bless you! :)
Dr Brown's comment about Paul making a statement that he, "SPEAKS in Tongues more than the other Corinthians",
has NO MERIT because The Bible ONLY tells us that PAUL "says" he SPEAKS in Tongues.
Dr Brown is ASSUMING that Paul's "Tongues", spoken in PRIVATE,
are like the Tongues that we see SPOKEN in Church's today, whether spoken publicly or privately.
In Brown's opinion he's trying to VALIDATE the uses of the gift as we see it in the Church Today.
HOWEVER, The Bible Does NOT give an example of Paul ACTUALLY Speaking in Tongues either PUBLICALLY or PRIVATLY.
If Paul speaks in Tongues BETTER than the Corinthians , and he DOES NOT implement it,
and since there is NO ACTUAL record of him doing so, this means a lot to this issue concerning the support of Speaking in Tongues as we see it today. Paul's actions further establishes a certainty that Speaking in Tongues WAS NOT permitted then in the Church, the way we see it employed today.
Cory IS NOT proclaiming that he doesn't believe that people CAN"T or Shouldn't speak in Tongues.
He is just saying that what we SEE people doing TODAY doesn't hold up with the scriptures.
Tongues ARE an Earthy Language, period.
When Paul makes statements like, " Your speaking to the AIR", and then states, "ONLY GOD can understand the "MYSTERIES" you're praying". Paul is SIMPLY using TOTAL "SARCASM" to explain GOD's stance on the matter at hand to the Corinthians.
"MYSTERIES": This word is defined as, "Something that is difficult or "IMPOSSIBLE" to understand or explain".
THEN, why do we need "Mysteries" to communicate with GOD?
Dr Brown supports taking what's said in 1Corinthians 2:14-2 (KJV) as fact.
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
If this isn't SARCASM then what is?
READ IT FOR YOURSELF
AMEN.
ecte
I was praying in the back yard on 7/30/23 i started crying out to God i asked Jesus to take out the anger thats been controlling my life for a while for years. I started throwing up then i started to roar sure people thought i was loosing my mind then i started to speak in different languages i was trying to speak i couldn’t understand what i was saying no matter what i said but i do know this I WAS PRAISING Jesus i know that for a fact because i could not stop pointing at the sky i couldn’t stop crying i was like a baby again i don’t want to go back i cant go back please pray for me it was tongues i know it was. I hope it was
Sounds like you got delivered and filled with the Holy Spirit to me.
@@eriksloan4509that’s what happened
What a testimony
Never heard or read anyone in the bible do that.
Dr.Brown won this 🥇
Dr Brown actually supports the theory that Paul was correcting them against using or speaking in tongues if not every one can understand.
Michael was supporting Paul’s correction of the Corinthians public use, which is still true today because tongues are definitely abused in the public sense.
@Christopher Hayes
You are absolutely right. .
This Michael guy is on it !!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 line upon line … precept upon precept …here alil there alil 🤷♂️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Corey bit off more then he can chew hah. Uttering mysteries to God by the spirit is for today!
This is soooo good! Thank you Dr. Brown.
Dr.Brown is very incorrect by saying “ίνα” is a simple “that”. ίνα always introduces a dependent clause by staying “IN ORDER THAT” or “SO THAT”. Or “for the PURPOSE of”. He may be a Hebrew scholar, but not being able to recognize a purpose/result clause introduced by the conjunction ίνα shows that he cannot reliably break down the Greek.
I so wish we had time, but he missed that. That is a fairly easy answer , but he simply was wrong about that word
"...for the natural man understands not the things of God, neither can he, because they're spiritually discerned."
I'm with Dr Brown. When I'm praising the LORD my language changes. It's my prayer for my LORD. Its my privacy, my spirit with the LORD, that not even I know what my spirit is communicating with It's creator. So that my flesh won't know what is said, cause the flesh is corrupt and evil spirits are with there ears standing.
You are saying you don't know what you are communicating with your Lord? Then what is the point. Sounds like great delusion to me. I think 100% that your God wants you to know exactly what you are saying to him. If you are not in control of what you are saying, maybe you are saying something you shouldn't be to your Lord.
@@chuckgunn1359
2For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3
1Cor 14
But also:
4For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
@@lalonguecarabine4952 so yes, you should pray with both your spirit and your mind. You proved my point. I agree.
@@chuckgunn1359 Thought you would appreciate that. Cheers.
I loved this, this was amazing.
Dr brown is right.
Yeah, Cory misunderstood the whole 1 Cor 14
@@ccookRomans Nope, Dr Brown twisted 1 Cor 14 and Acts 2. He is twisting the word and is false.
@@danielkim672 What did he twist about 1 Cor14?
@@ccookRomans Clearly, 1 Corthinians, Paul is describing tongues as an ACTUAL language, not some gibberish and also that tongues, the use of it is to be used as a sign for unbelievers, aka Evangelism. Michael Brown twists Scripture and says that tongues is gibberish and that tongues is mainly for self edifying, and not for others or evangelism.
@@danielkim672 Michael Brown never said it was gibberish. What are you talking about? And the scripture does say that tongues edify yourself, without an interpreter!
The scripture does not teach that tongues is only for evangelism like Cory taught
Into the first 5 to 10 minutes, I find Dr Brown continually interrupting Corey, aggressively cutting him off, not allowing him to present what he wants to say concerning Acts 2, as Brown is fully aware that this passage in Acts 2 is the clearest passage that proves him wrong, therefore Brown is found very proudly and forcefully not allowing Corey to finish Corey's sound, orthodox, historical interpretation.
Clearly the passage in Acts 2 which Corey was referencing to in the beginning of the debate Corey is seeking to show Brown and his audience that The Spirit endowed the early church with new languages to Evangelize is clearly found in the text, therefore Brown knowing this is the clearest passage to prove that languages were given for the New Testament evangelistic gathering of the elect of God throughout gentile (multi-cultural/multi-linguistic) world.
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HS OWN LANGUAGE. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, ARE NOT ALL THESE WHICH SPEAK Galilaeans? And HOW HEAR WE EVERY MAN IN OUR OWN TONGUE, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, WE DO HEAR THEM SPEAK IN OUR TONGUES (LANGUAGES) THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD....(Acts 2:1-11)
Therefore anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear will be able to clearly understand that the spiritual gift of tongues, which was given to the saints in Acts 2, was a supernatural spiritual gift whereby "new foreign earthly languages" were supernaturally given to the early Jewish church in order for the early Jewish church to be able to obey the great commission given from our Savior, Lord and King Jesus Christ and that was to go out into all the (foreign language speaking) world to preach the Gospel and Evangelize every nation, tribe and language, baptizing them in The Name of The Father, in The Name of The Son and in The Name of The Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all the commandments of God.
Glad that two men of God who might disagree can actually have a conversation and no disgusting disparaging attacks on character...when it is done in love
Dr Brown...since u say all gifts are in explosion, in all yo 49 yrs of dealing with tongue-speaking congregations,have u ever come across a brother with the gift of tongue INTERPRETATION ?
Bros I can only tell you me experience about Tongues. Tongues is for now, I remember an incident, I was working for some solictors. Attending Lunar house interviewing immigrants coming so he could help them with their problems. It was 4 afternoon was going to the solicitors office with my notes. I was the only one on the platform all of a sudden I started to speak in Tongues it was amazing then I started to interpret and The English was pure Praises to God, it sounded poetic. Went to church told my pastor he said I was interpreted. Another I was going to buy chocolates, my mouth just opened. I could not control it, I had to put my hands to my mouth. These are two occasions and I know we need to go on with Tongues. Please go on praying in tongues. Please use your prayer language, if it was not for today, Holy Spirit would not open my mouth and pray.
I went thru a time after that and satan keep telling me that I am talking gibberish, and I stopped praying less and less in Tongues. Holy Spirit is the power. Please don't give it up in your prayer language. Let Holy Spirit guide you. Don't listen to anyone, but Holy Spirit.
It doesn’t matter what type of program or application used a natural mind will never ever understand spiritual things. I, me, I think NO NO what’s written point blank period the question should be why isn’t what’s written and seen in scripture not understood… WHY is the revelation not understood, foolish debate? Dr Brown on point… I’m not sure how mystery to GOD which is written Cory dismiss…Cory was bringing up things many have question, awesome discussion..
Mr Brown broke it down great! It seems the other gentleman is so stuck to his beliefs that he couldn’t receive what Paul was clearly saying. All his arguments were easily debunked
I agree with corey hands down, the bible says it all.. Glory to God in Christ out Lord and Saviour.
Why is it so hard for brother Corey to comprehend “no one can understand you when you speak in tongues”?
So if Paul said I'd rather speak 5 words then 10,000 are so many speaking in tongues in front of hundreds, thousands, 10s of thousands.... Paul says that's a good way to scare off young babes in Christ.... I really don't think anyone won or lost here I think Dr Brown is firm about tongues in private, and when done in Church- only with Interpretation.... To say Corey is way off in left field is just a lie...
What is the definition of interpretation?? "a person who interprets, especially one who translates speech orally"
What is the definition of a translator-""a person whose job is changing words, especially written words, into a different language."
Remarkably, Corey is not comprehending Acts chapter 2. The disciples were praising God in tongues in understood languages, and then Peter preached a sermon to everyone present in a language everyone could comprehend as a whole. Peter was not explaining what the disciples were speaking in various languages in tongues. The scripture clearly says that when they spoke in tongues, they praised God, not preaching. It is evident when you read the sermon from Peter what he was proclaiming to them. I'm not sure why Corey is not grabbing this. Pray that the Lord will open his understanding.
I believe he is making the mistake that a lot of people make. I’ve noticed this with the Reformed, Orthodox, and Catholics: they try to make the scriptures fit into their beliefs and precepts. I don’t think that he realizes that he’s doing it.
Corey's academic influence is causing the clear rendering of the stated text to be blurred.
We must pray for Pastor Corey that GOD will open up his heart to accept that tongues is definitely a langauge which only GOD can understand,the Bible is pretty clear on that,this isn't a mind issue he's having,this is a heart issue,we all agree with you Dr Brown because the Bible is PRETTY CLEAR on this issue
Corey you were being very patient. I love Dr brown but he was cutting you off a lot
That's his argument style. I admire what he did with the HBI argument but he has this arrogance of "I absolutely know what I'm talking about so the rest of what you have to say is irrelevant. " This is a classic cass of eiseges by Brown. He speaks 'tongues" so he has to justify it. He's clearly wrong and instead of letting him get his point out he just keeps talking over him. I strongly disagree with Browns arguments in the first 20 mins at least.
Corey, you should bow out on this one...Dr Brown is on point...you really should go back to the Drawing table! More study and prayer on this subject matter will strongly benefit you.
I never heard about tongues until I went to a large church meeting where the congregation was asked by the travelling preacher if they wanted to learn the practice.
All missionaries had to spend time with their potential converts before they could share an understandable Gospel. We do not have testimonies of European missionaries speaking in ‘unknowable tongues’ to reach their foreign tongues.
Why do we have sign language experts next to speakers these days. Couldn’t God simply speak into the heart of the deaf?
Thank goodness for the clarity of Dr Brown, in the name of Christ.
With much respect, I still don't understand or would like to know from scripture, where can i find hfbakdhy to be tongues
lol! exactly 😭😭
@@sisterbecky411 The Holy Spirit clearly would not be giving us a gift to talk Gibberish. No one is saying the Holy Spirit is the one talking like this.