81 AND DONE?: PEP with Chas and Guest PEPcaster Richard Cooke (Ep 166, July 8)

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  • Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
  • Chas & Guest PEPcaster Richard Cooke discuss The Bedwetting Brigade, Halloween Masks for Faces and What is the Collective Noun For A Group Of Bidens?
    3:18 - Grateful For
    6:12 - Biden's Debate
    1:25:10 - Kamala Harris: The Heir Apparent
    2:07:05 - Someone Else?: The Heir Apparent
    2:27:47 - Richy Plays Talk Show Host
    2:38:40 - Odds & Ends
    SHOW NOTES/HOMEWORK
    * The RFK Debate / 1806462171892895808
    THE (UPDATED) DR DAVE BOOK CLUB MASTERLIST:
    * Maurice O. Wallace - King’s Vibrato (Mentioned 14:26, Ep 164)
    * Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky - Manufacturing Consent - (Mentioned 32:12, Ep 164)
    * Robert Plunket - My Search For Warren Harding (Mentioned 1:49:12, Ep 158)
    * Ian Lambot & Greg Girard - City of Darkness Revisited (Mentioned 39:25, Ep 157)
    * Max Chafkin - The Contrarian (Mentioned 32:18, Ep 155)
    * Claire Conner - Wrapped In The Flag (Mentioned 31:42, Ep 155)
    * Rita Abrahamsen, Mike Williams et al - Global Right (Mentioned 31:12, Ep 155)
    * Philip Gorski and Samuel Perry - The Flag And The Cross (Mentioned 30:49, Ep 155)
    * Cynthia Miller-Idriss - Hate In The Homeland (Mentioned 30:10, Ep 155)
    * Cory Doctorow & Rebecca Giblin - Chokepoint Capitalism (Mentioned 34:55, Ep 150)
    * Elizabeth Ingleson - Made In China (Mentioned 31:50, Ep 150)
    * John Corrigan - Religious Intolerance, America, and the World (Mentioned 1:16:18, Ep 141)
    * Gérard Prunier - From Genocide to Continental War (Mentioned 48:18, Ep 141)
    * Liu Cixin, - The Three Body Trilogy (Mentioned 1:11:04, Ep 136)
    * Tilman Allert - The Hitler Salute (Mentioned 22:03, Ep 134)
    * Philip Roth - Nemesis (Mentioned 1:56, Ep 133)
    *Joshua Cohen - The Netanyahus
    * Zeke Faux - Number Go Up
    * Michael Paul Rogin - The Intellectuals and McCarthy
    * Cathy Kramer - The Politics of Resentment
    * Naomi Klein - Doppelganger
    * Maria Bamford - Sure, I'll Join Your Cult
    * Wendy Brown - States Of Injury
    * Corey Robin. - The Reactionary Mind
    * Patricia Lockwood - No One Is Talking About This
    * David Cay Johnston - The Making of Donald Trump
    * Jane Mayer - Dark Money
    * Harry Frankfurt - On Bullshit
    * Stephen King - The Dead Zone
    * Elle Hardy - Beyond Belief
    * Federico Finchelstein - From Fascism to Populism in History
    * Robert Jervis - Why Intelligence Fails
    * Alex Haley and Malcolm X - The Autobiography of Malcolm X
    * Jonathan Haidt - The Righteous Mind
    * David Graeber - Debt: The First 5000 Years
    * Jerry L. Mashaw - Creating The American Administrative Constitution
    * Brian Balogh - A Government Out of Sight
    * Paul Connerton - How Societies Remember
    * Paul Connerton - How Modernity Forgets
    * Catherine Green and Sarah Catherine Gilbert - Vaxxers
    * John Zaller - The Nature and Origins of Mass Opinion
    * Matthew Karp - This Vast Southern Empire
    * Robert Fatton - The Guise of Exceptionalism
    * Anatol Lievin - Climate Change and the Nation State: The Realist Case
    * James Alfred Aho - The Politics of Righteousness
    * The substack that Dr Dave apparently plagiarises liberally from! luke.substack.com/
    * James Beverley - God's Man in the White House
    * Jane Chi Hyun Park - Yellow Future
    * Matthias Gardell - In The Name of Elijah Muhammad
    * Gosta Esping-Andersen - The Three Worlds of Welfare Capitalism
    * Suzanne Mettler - The Submerged State
    * Brendon O'Connor - Anti-Americanism and American Exceptionalism
    * James Morone - Hellfire Nation
    * Nathan Kalmoe - With Ballots and Bullets
    * Winnifred Fallers Sullivan - The Impossibility of Religious Freedom
    * Mary L. Trump - Too Much And Never Enough
    * Richard Cooke - Tired of Winning
    * Jon Ronson - So You've Been Publicly Shamed
    * Rodney Tiffen, Ross Gittins, Anika Gauja, David Smith, Brendon O'Connor - How America Compares
    * Tony Horwitz - Confederates In the Attic
    * Ghassan Hage - White Nation
    * George Lakoff - Women, Fire and Dangerous Things
    * George Lakoff - Metaphors We Live By
    * Michelle Alexander - The New Jim Crow
    * Alex S. Vitale - The End of Policing
    * Dave Cullen - Parkland: Birth of a Movement
    * Thomas Sugrue - The Origins of the Urban Crisis
    * Rick Pearlstein - The Invisible Bridge
    * Rick Pearlstein - Before the Storm
    * Rick Pearlstein - Nixonland
    * Brian Doherty - Radicals for Capitalism
    * Leon Festinger, Henry W. Riecken, Stanley Schachter - When Prophecy Fails
    * Nancy L. Rosenblum & Russell Muirhead - A Lot Of People Are Saying
    * Benjamin Moffitt - The Global Rise of Populism
    * Jon Krakauer - Missoula
    Listen/subscribe to the podcast here:
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 255

  • @RandomAussieGuy87
    @RandomAussieGuy87 14 днів тому +44

    Always love seeing Richard Cooke on.

  • @jasonlast7091
    @jasonlast7091 14 днів тому +36

    The vibe I get from this episode and in light of recent events is that the apocalypse is near and Chas will still be here delivering us quality political analysis when it happens

    • @SkandiaAUS
      @SkandiaAUS 14 днів тому +15

      Yeah, like the ending of Terminator 2 with his thumbs up as the sea of misinformation swallows him up.

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  14 днів тому +13

      @@SkandiaAUS While it is quite self-indulgent for me to like you giving me a wrap, i simply had to love that cultural metaphor. It was just too perfect! XD - chas

  • @cz.gazz.
    @cz.gazz. 14 днів тому +32

    This is a pretty grim time to be a follower of American politics, but watching PEP genuinely makes me feel a lot better about it - because I come out of it (and Planet America) at least feeling much more informed and better able to digest the week’s events from all angles.

  • @jamescurry6798
    @jamescurry6798 13 днів тому +8

    I VOTE MORE PEP WITH RICH!
    Also, I really appreciated the question Rich asked near the end regarding how the current state of affairs in the US has impacted Chas. Why? Because it is a question I have come up in the back of mind about once or twice every PEP where a topic of huge ethical/historical importance seems to be going in a "not so great" direction. The alternative to not hearing that Chas is saddened by the course of events is just feeling as though I am Leonardo DiCaprio's character in "Don't look up"...
    Thank you Rich for such a great question. Thank you Chas for all of your analysis and for genuinely your thoughts.

  • @HaydenKinsmanMusic
    @HaydenKinsmanMusic 13 днів тому +14

    Richard Cooke is one of the most engaging guests you've had on, I'd love for him to come on more often!

  • @ListenToPumpkinMusic
    @ListenToPumpkinMusic 13 днів тому +4

    That was a fascinating little section at the end there, thanks to Richard for asking the question. Usually the show is based on statistics, polling, history or responding to micro events so it was super interesting to get a macro, feelings-based analysis of where the US is heading and what that means for the rest of the democratic world.

  • @davidcharles3102
    @davidcharles3102 14 днів тому +41

    PEP two-parter please!!
    We have not listened for years to Chas explain Supreme Court cases in supreme detail to not get an episode dedicated to their most momentous decisions ... ever?

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  14 днів тому +39

      Oh, you'll get your detail, David! 2 hrs 48 from memory - coming tonight! - chas

    • @AaronBondSU
      @AaronBondSU 14 днів тому +2

      @@pepwithchasanddrdave woooo!

    • @CAPONAS1
      @CAPONAS1 14 днів тому

      Brilliant

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 14 днів тому +1

      Legend.

    • @Rhubarb2
      @Rhubarb2 14 днів тому

      @@pepwithchasanddrdave WOOT!

  • @justinfrost6482
    @justinfrost6482 14 днів тому +16

    Part 2 with Richard please (3 Pep's in a week is a gift I'd never think I'd get).

    • @si1verc1awable
      @si1verc1awable 13 днів тому

      I counted 4 possible peps this week ( 2 x Richard, 1 x Dave, 1 "outstanding correspondence, "Chaz Unleashed", and Supreme Court Cases). I mean just in the rare event that Chaz doesn't get around to covering all the week's material... :p?

  • @paulvenn4447
    @paulvenn4447 14 днів тому +21

    Chas I gotta say, the guest presenters you have on are always elite, Richard, Elle, Bill are always elite, another awesome episode. Richard's quote about this being the final season of Democracy is top notch.

  • @0rganicflux
    @0rganicflux 13 днів тому +5

    I’ve listened to every episode PEP, it’s my favourite podcast.
    I was at work when I saw that SCOTUS has ruled for trump in the immunity hearing.
    It hit me really hard, in my mind that was it for US Democracy, i understand your grief 😢 Chas, I’m feeling it too.
    Hoping for some sort of miracle 🤞

  • @TheRtHonSirJacobReesMogg
    @TheRtHonSirJacobReesMogg 14 днів тому +6

    This is somehow the best and simultaneously most depressing episode of PEP I've ever listened to as a loyal listener since pretty close to the start.
    Great work tho, can't bloody wait to feel more dread listening to tomorrow's episode; 'tis the duality of PEP.

  • @TheChurchOfDinoJesus
    @TheChurchOfDinoJesus 14 днів тому +9

    Looking forward to the three horsemen of the democracy apocalypse! The world can be a dark and depressing place, but we are very glad that you are sharing your window view with us. It is always worth looking at what is coming clear-eyed, and sharing a joke about it whatever may come. And for what it is worth, I am very grateful that you have built a community of well-informed and well-intentioned people to share the journey with. ❤

    • @itmephoebe
      @itmephoebe 3 дні тому

      PEP comments are the only ones I allow myself to read these days - everywhere else is just too toxic

  • @2ndclassking949
    @2ndclassking949 14 днів тому +7

    Chas what you said about the sadness you feel for the idea of America dying really resonated with me. I had been struggling to put into words why I felt such a deep sadness myself about the current state of american politics until hearing this. I hope that we somehow manage to walk the narrow path forward to something better rather than into a terminal decline. Thank you for all the work you put into PEP, I have enjoyed listening since I discovered it at ep 133. All the best.

  • @Humblehoggog
    @Humblehoggog 14 днів тому +15

    I’m putting an early vote in for a 2 parter on Friday. Looking forward to a weekend PEP lock-in.
    I also really liked the closing section. I’d love for you all to spend an episode in the offseason to talk more about your history with the US, what drew you all in, and what you find most interesting about it now.

  • @Ninjaguiden89
    @Ninjaguiden89 13 днів тому +4

    I am grateful for 'The Festival of Perverse Incentives', sponsored by Slaanesh

  • @bemdgamimmack9762
    @bemdgamimmack9762 12 днів тому +1

    It was both touching and despairing to hear you personally reflect on the emotional toll the unravelling of US democracy is having on you, Chas. Fingers crossed!!!

  • @louisehall3439
    @louisehall3439 14 днів тому +6

    I am at the age where I have seen a number of elderly relatives pass the point of competence on the way down. Most of the time they don't recognise that in themselves. They feel discriminated against and maligned if you tell them to stop doing tasks at which they are no longer competent. I don't blame Biden for not realising he needs to step aside. I don't even really blame Jill Biden for not wanting to see his decline. Well, OK, I do - but I recognise that it is hard. But bloody hell SOMEONE needs to step up and take away the car keys and I don't know who, other than her, that could be.

  • @itschriswinter
    @itschriswinter 14 днів тому +11

    Brilliant show. Listened to it all from over in London

  • @KellieSuttle
    @KellieSuttle 13 днів тому +2

    I keep thinking it's Friday night and feeling ready for the weekend as I listen to this. 😂

  • @SuperTed588
    @SuperTed588 11 днів тому +3

    Thanks guys. More, always more. You don’t need to be asking us.

  • @gartsky
    @gartsky 14 днів тому +6

    Really appreciate how much you, Dr Dave and your guests give to us Peppers.

  • @tomatoseed1
    @tomatoseed1 14 днів тому +5

    I loved the surprise of seeing Richard on a Murdoch documentary!
    Perhaps there could be a Richard PEP special focusing on the life of Rupert Murdoch and the story of his empire.
    You could even bank the episode and release it when a major Rupert Murdoch event happens.

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 14 днів тому +1

      Yes. x100
      This needs to happen.

  • @lucy.loves.travel
    @lucy.loves.travel 14 днів тому +5

    I'm all for more PEP with Richard!

  • @ricehatninjacat320
    @ricehatninjacat320 9 днів тому

    Hey Chaz!
    I've been following planet America and PEP for over 10 years now.
    Your passion and drive and how it feeds this project has been Soo valuable to me.
    It's very often the highlight of my week.
    It was heart breaking to hear how the depredation of event in the states effects you.
    Know that you are respected and that you've done great things!!! 👍👍👍👍

  • @RVS089
    @RVS089 14 днів тому +4

    Part 2! Part 2! Part 2!

  • @Gingerzilla
    @Gingerzilla 14 днів тому +4

    @Richard Cooke THE PEPPERS DEMAND !!!! WOOT WOOT!!

  • @thomasedwards3299
    @thomasedwards3299 10 днів тому +1

    Richard is a fantastic guest and easy on the ears too. Definitely vote for more! Notwithstanding Richard's mini 'Misery' moment... 'I have to go now...' 😂

    • @itmephoebe
      @itmephoebe 3 дні тому

      I adore Richard's voice too!

  • @plightbody
    @plightbody 13 днів тому +2

    This is the first PEP episode I couldn't get through in one go, I think it's PTSD. Hearing Biden talk; and I'm back in that empty, dark CNN studio, the horror all too real 😮

  • @beaupreston9872
    @beaupreston9872 13 днів тому +1

    Never presume, but more PEP. Great honest discussion 👏

  • @trevorjames2051
    @trevorjames2051 14 днів тому +4

    Hi guys, given the events of the debate I thought your weighting of factors and discussion of consequence very enjoyable. In particular Richards question to you Chaz regarding your personal thoughts and feelings was fantastic, a window to greater understanding, thank you both.

  • @dodgestregis4990
    @dodgestregis4990 14 днів тому +5

    @2:27:50 - I'll say it again Chas you have the best neutral perspective of of anyone I listen to about US politics - and I live here - start writing op-eds for magazines then get a contributor job on a major weekend show where you can do pretaped interviews or whatever fits your schedule - your voice is needed here

    • @Backpfeifengesicht789
      @Backpfeifengesicht789 14 днів тому

      Politico would have already offered (probably some others too).

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  11 днів тому

      Unfortunately, I take a little longer to come up with my views than most publications would like, dodge - cause I do so much reading first. So I may not be ideal for publications who demand instant reactions. But who knows what the future holds. Thanks for the kind words though! - chas

  • @Opalcutspeter
    @Opalcutspeter 13 днів тому +2

    I vote in favor of part 2

  • @Senectus
    @Senectus 14 днів тому +4

    ❤bonus pep! ❤

  • @purplebaron5398
    @purplebaron5398 14 днів тому +6

    #41 posting every podcast until we get Planet Britain OR until Chas gets a good night sleep!

    • @Backpfeifengesicht789
      @Backpfeifengesicht789 14 днів тому +1

      Every thing is fine now in UK.... :)
      oh, that's right, farage...

  • @Tonko369
    @Tonko369 13 днів тому +1

    Also I tuned in today to hear the Supreme Court explanation, I loved the election analysis but I definitely would be grateful for part 2.

  • @tomstruct
    @tomstruct 14 днів тому +3

    Excellently candid there at the end thanks lads

  • @24inchchromes
    @24inchchromes 14 днів тому +3

    Please do part two! Thank you, Chas and Richard 🙏

  • @7zark7
    @7zark7 14 днів тому +3

    Awesome Chaz. Vote 1 for Part 2!

  • @djmorgan83
    @djmorgan83 14 днів тому +3

    What a gift it was to see a new PEP this morning. Especially after I realised I left my watch at a friends last night and would need to drive over 2 hours to get it back today. Seriously though, thank you so much. Not just for saving my sanity on the long tour of Melbourne's outer suburbs but also for validating my feelings of being gaslit by everyone saying Biden just had a bad night, he was jetlagged, had a cold etc.
    I kept wanting to scream at everyone that they were side stepping the issue. Sure its a risk to swap in Harris now, but as you alluded to, do we expect Biden to get better in the coming months? As the campaign really kicks into gear do we expect him to suddenly turn back the clock 5 years and make the debate a distant memory? Or will he keep faltering and possibly lower the bar further? I think it's all on the table at this point. As you said, people were giving him the benefit of the doubt for a long time and that's gone now. Getting over that doubt again is going to be near impossible in my view probably what could make the difference in a close election.
    P.S. For anyone interested in the Supreme Court, the "5-4" podcast is a great place to get into the weeds of important cases past and present. It's hosted by ex-lawyers and like PEP isn't afraid to take things a little less seriously to make the topics more engaging.

  • @--enyo--
    @--enyo-- 14 днів тому +4

    Shout out to Chas’ family who must be the most tolerant people in the world to lose him to this podcast when he’s supposed to be on holiday. 😂
    Also… Do you really need to ask? Yes to full fact check!

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 14 днів тому +1

      Wow. Those side by side clips from 2019 vs 2024 were so different.

  • @AidanPerry-c3m
    @AidanPerry-c3m 14 днів тому +2

    I’d been hanging for this episode after a weekend with no PEP and can’t remember being as excited for something as I am for part 2 and a trio Friday ep. Chas coming in hard with some Christmas in July energy bringing a bounty like this. Thanks for everything you do for the fans of this show.

  • @whophd
    @whophd 14 днів тому +3

    This PEP brings the truth bombs, lined with depleted uranium of facts. Perfect PEPping, to be honest -- that's what it's for.

  • @RosalieGlover-d6n
    @RosalieGlover-d6n 14 днів тому +4

    Yes part 2 please

  • @MatthewSummerton
    @MatthewSummerton 14 днів тому +7

    2:35:38 WE WANT PART 2/TRIPOD/SUPREME COURT BONUS 2:40:10

  • @Mort_Dexter
    @Mort_Dexter 13 днів тому +2

    Part two please.

  • @Rhubarb2
    @Rhubarb2 14 днів тому +2

    Another great pod, part 2 please!! Chas Unleashed should always be part 2 so can have more than 3 hours of PEP each week / episode

  • @bradl1973
    @bradl1973 12 днів тому +2

    Thank you Richard for finally upholding the principles of true democracy.
    I for one vote for no more PEP. I think that's enough and it's time to pack it in.
    Good to get that off my chest. Now I get to have more of my spare time back to listen to Andrew Tate.
    Oh wait, no more vote?.... Oh well, I guess it's true that democracy is dying

  • @user-ff8ww8bq9q
    @user-ff8ww8bq9q 13 днів тому +2

    Followed Planet America for years Chaz but only just found you here - youve earnt a subscriber, this is brilliant, i love the analysis and i have to say, your knowledge and having guests that offer the same is actually a motivation to switch to this as my main Aussie source as i just find John Barron insufferably partisan for the Democrats/DNC, not to mention the dodgy "think tank" he works for. Can you swap him for Rich?
    Seriously great work by you, and over a long period too, its really appreciated - this has such an influence on our own country and its geo/politics/economic course and im sure thats a big reason why you have a strong following of engaged Ausie viewers who want and need something more than the crap dished up on the main tv channels.
    Bravo!

  • @Dismopia
    @Dismopia 14 днів тому +2

    That was an amazing episode! I always want more PEP. But after all the sombre news I think you need a holiday!!

  • @christophernowak9606
    @christophernowak9606 10 днів тому +1

    Great episode with a lot of great insights. I usually don’t post comments on UA-cam videos but thank you both for an enjoyable and informative listen!

  • @CrabbedSun10
    @CrabbedSun10 14 днів тому +5

    Yas Bonus PEP!

  • @ArtVandelay2022
    @ArtVandelay2022 13 днів тому +2

    Richard Cooke ❤❤ make him permanent

  • @whophd
    @whophd 14 днів тому +2

    OH MY GOD I have to mention: I was listening to the two Bidens via podcast in bed, and I literally spent 30 SECONDS wondering who was speaking after Biden. I forgot it was Biden.
    Damnnnnnnn. Damning.

  • @stephendalleywater8791
    @stephendalleywater8791 14 днів тому +2

    I don't usually get PEP on UA-cam, but just here to comment: PART 2 PLEASE

  • @AuroraREsmeralda
    @AuroraREsmeralda 14 днів тому +6

    Finally, PEP posted at a reasonable time!

  • @trevorjames2051
    @trevorjames2051 14 днів тому +2

    Definitely do part two, and thanks 😅

  • @NeilAnderson-pk5lc
    @NeilAnderson-pk5lc 14 днів тому +1

    Yay Chas unleashed bonus!!!! So awesome! And thanks for the heartfelt analysis on the demise of American politics - appreciated the pathos and genuineness. It shows that no system can endure without good will - even with the matchless goals of the US constitution.

  • @TheSunGamer101
    @TheSunGamer101 14 днів тому +2

    Definitely want to hear more and 100% some Supreme Court stuff

  • @skip2infinity719
    @skip2infinity719 14 днів тому +2

    Always give us a part 2

  • @andymurphy-un5lt
    @andymurphy-un5lt 14 днів тому +3

    Bring on part 2

  • @StephanieMiln
    @StephanieMiln 14 днів тому +3

    2-parter please❤
    Chas- Is it was a good decision for the Supreme Court to take on the immunity challenge to make clearer the distinction between presidential duties /what’s not. Thus avoiding this again in the future? Maybe I’ve got this wrong??

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  14 днів тому +2

      Hey Steph, I'm obviously about to rant a lot more about this in the next PEP. But i think clarifying the immunity issue was a good idea. I happen to also think a president SHOULD enjoy some immunity when doing their jobs. But my concern with the Supreme Court ruling was that a) the rules the Court imposed were shockers; and b) Their ruling was super vague anyway, so it really didn't clear very much up.
      But you may disagree with my take - and I might be the one who's wrong. So have a listen to PEP 167 and see what you think! - chas

  • @Anne3000
    @Anne3000 14 днів тому +4

    Yes to Supreme Court cases summaries as well!

  • @gerardbourke1497
    @gerardbourke1497 14 днів тому +2

    Make a Part 2 please. Also, wear matching jumpers again

  • @NeilAnderson-pk5lc
    @NeilAnderson-pk5lc 14 днів тому +1

    More PEP ! Let’s go!!!!! And thanks to Ritchie for his suggestion and willingness ❤

  • @Stymiedontplaythat
    @Stymiedontplaythat 10 днів тому +1

    Yes to more

  • @penelope868686
    @penelope868686 14 днів тому +3

    I live with a Neurologist who specialises in movement disorders. He's been saying for a while now that Joe Biden has Parkinson's Disease

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 14 днів тому +1

      My grandmother died of Parkinson’s/Lewy Body dementia. There are some similarities, but I think it’s just general old age and his pre-existing stutter.

    • @penelope868686
      @penelope868686 13 днів тому

      @@--enyo-- I would be so pleased to be wrong!

  • @jamesbrady2577
    @jamesbrady2577 13 днів тому +2

    MORE!

  • @Thewellnesseditor
    @Thewellnesseditor 13 днів тому +3

    Chas I just wanted to add my 2c about Lichtman’s claim that “debates don’t decide elections”. I second both yours and Richard’s scepticism about the relevance of his keys in this particular election. I think what he misses in this claim about debates not mattering is that in this instance, it’s not about the debate. The debate was simply the container that showcased Biden’s impairment. It could easily have been the state of the union or some other widely televised media appearance. In the same way that Republican bias to constantly view Biden as frail and infirm led to widespread shock when he did a great job at the state of the union, Democrats’ optimistic bias led them to mirroring this shock when we saw the opposite on the debate stage. The conversation is only minimally about the content of the debate; it’s more widely about the physical and cognitive demise of Biden as a human. There’s no key in Lichtman’s theory to account for this. Perhaps, as geriatrics persist in not retiring from key leadership positions in the USA, he should add one for perceived physical and mental health.
    Side note: I strongly feel there should also be a key for communication skills and willingness to appear in public. Seems that a candidate could tick every box and still flounder if they are a stellar performer on paper, like Biden. If nobody knows what you’ve achieved, and you do all your “presidenting” behind closed doors, it could wipe out the relevance of every other key you’ve won. I suppose this could come under the “charisma” key but if so, it seems to me that this key should have more weighting than all the others. ❤ Gem

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  11 днів тому +1

      I completely agree about communication skills being essential in modern presidents, and Lichtman paying it too short shrift. Honestly, I just don't rate his system at all. I think he's been riding off literally only 1 or 2 good calls (the rest of the elections were obvious calls) for wayy tooo long! - chas

  • @Zei33
    @Zei33 14 днів тому +2

    We saw how old Obama looked after his first term. It’s a job that takes years off your life. No doubt about that. Biden has been run down by his time as president. There can be no doubt.

  • @Michael-R
    @Michael-R 13 днів тому +2

    CHAS LEASHED!!

  • @LindaAllen-ry4qq
    @LindaAllen-ry4qq 14 днів тому

    You guys did a great job with this discussion. Thanks!

  • @user-mu9tn4on7w
    @user-mu9tn4on7w 14 днів тому

    Finally been waiting for this! Even though it’s 2.30am :) and watching it at work :)

  • @Kangaroo-Bob
    @Kangaroo-Bob 13 днів тому +3

    Interesting thoughts about the Dems having the 'only 2 Candidates in the country who can't beat Trump'. Do you remember the Democratic Primary 4 years ago? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
    None of them were inspiring.
    Who amongst them do you think could beat Donald if they were the VP?
    Ps. I know the decline of US dominance was inevitable. But I never thought it could be happening right now. And not like this. You guys legit gave me chills thinking about it. Amazing podcast Chas

  • @tomasrobertson9748
    @tomasrobertson9748 14 днів тому +1

    Fact check the debate please Chas !

  • @Twigmannn
    @Twigmannn 14 днів тому

    A rough note to end on but another great podcast with a great guest. I hope, for our own sake that the US's future isn't as precarious as you describe. Looking forward to Friday.

  • @PhasmaEx
    @PhasmaEx 14 днів тому +1

    It really is time for grandpa to hand over the keys.

  • @tropicalgardenvlogs
    @tropicalgardenvlogs 14 днів тому

    Can’t wait for the Supreme Court special!

  • @billfeatherstone3018
    @billfeatherstone3018 12 днів тому

    More please ❤

  • @stuartecob3362
    @stuartecob3362 13 днів тому

    Part two please!

  • @jeongkim6679
    @jeongkim6679 14 днів тому +1

    Hello. Nothing useful in this comment. Just appreciate all the hard work and good info. Thanks Chas!

  • @Nerfdiculous
    @Nerfdiculous 13 днів тому

    Part 2 Supreme Court Boogaloo please!

  • @JamesP730
    @JamesP730 12 днів тому +3

    Does anyone else feel that a Harris/Whitmer ticket might be the way forward?

    • @Backpfeifengesicht789
      @Backpfeifengesicht789 12 днів тому

      I really like Buttigieg, sharp witted, Harris/Butt? ... I'm also a big fan of AOC, but I love the Sanders crowd - extreme left (but what I consider sensible centre: Sanders had great policies).

  • @pseudonym8791
    @pseudonym8791 13 днів тому +1

    Not a Neurologist or Geriatrician and going to follow the Goldwater rule strictly here, but also pointing out that the official letter regarding Biden’s health is in the public domain. It has been acknowledged that he uses a CPAP machine to treat Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA) and he is also under treatment for Atrial Fibrillation (AF). His somewhat stiff gait is attributed to osteoarthritis, including degenerative change to parts of the spinal column. Even in the absence of movement disorders such as Parkinson Disease all of the above can present relatively significant burden of disease depending on underlying physical condition. No information regarding cognitive testing appears in the official transcript at this stage. Cognitive and capacity assessment can take several consultations - sometimes people have quite astonishing levels of ability to keep up superficially normal conversation even while their underlying cognitive function is impaired. Sorry to say that the festival of perverse incentives [thanks Richard for that superb line!] may apply in the case of physicians to the President, too :(

  • @DrumsBah
    @DrumsBah 13 днів тому +1

    Absolutely captivating ep but also grim as fuck

  • @rogergreen9861
    @rogergreen9861 14 днів тому

    I love the way Richard sat uncomfortably as you described the many Court cases he would get to discuss, and the glimmer of hope that he might escape it if we all vote No.
    Calling it Tri-Pod week anyway.

  • @1golux
    @1golux 13 днів тому

    Chas, can you give us a primer on the supreme court plz!

  • @Aklbero
    @Aklbero 14 днів тому

    MOAR!
    edit: bit sad we dont get Richard on SCOTUS bollocks tho.

  • @Qwikipedia
    @Qwikipedia 14 днів тому

    People sometimes ask me why I care about American Politics and my answer was so similar to Chas, when he was discussing his feelings about the current situation. That really resonated with me, it is depressing and the otherside of this chapter can't come fast enough.

  • @jyetremlett3071
    @jyetremlett3071 14 днів тому

    Great episode

  • @lauram6156
    @lauram6156 14 днів тому

    Part 2 please!

  • @davidofford7002
    @davidofford7002 14 днів тому +1

    I am just one person. But, I for one expressly vote YES please both come back, the two of you
    Others may not feel the same way. And, it really is as if this was the perfect PEP just now, whole and complete in itself. And yet, there is for me a very great longing to see the flipside.
    As everyone will know, I am perhaps a little bit over interested in the Immunity case. But that is all the more reason to see a systematic view of all the cases that ran out the 2023 term.
    I have to admit that I have not done "the reading" on the topic in which I am most interested. But there are one or two lines of historical thought I do want to suggest provide a worthy light coming in from the side. And provide a living thread . .

  • @runningmasters
    @runningmasters 14 днів тому

    Another pod please!

  • @avus-kw2f213
    @avus-kw2f213 9 днів тому

    37:37 imagine that’s true. That’s a pretty bad sign for the American health.
    And yet more reasons to vote RFK

  • @leighwebster2901
    @leighwebster2901 14 днів тому

    Sounds great a tripod. Can't wait Maybe get tripod to supply a theme song

  • @laimaskimbirauskas6588
    @laimaskimbirauskas6588 14 днів тому

    Please make it a 3 pod week🎉

  • @AchtungAffen
    @AchtungAffen 14 днів тому +1

    While I do think it's depressing to see the final acts of that idea that is America in real time, watching it go so PEPpy here makes it less hurtful, a tickle maybe?

  • @peter15323
    @peter15323 12 днів тому +2

    Hey Chas.
    I hear an alternate interpretation for the "we beat medicare" line... not a better interpretation for Biden. I'll put my 'inner voice' interpretation in square brackets...
    "We’d be able to right wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do - child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure [...what's that program we fund to do with health care?...] that we’re able to make every single solitary person [...umm, what is it called...?...] eligible for what I’ve been able to do with [.... c'mon, man, whats the program called?!...] the Covid. [Really, brain, COVID??] Excuse me, [oh, man, I stuffed this up, I said covid when I was trying to name that health care program...quick deploy some fill words while it comes to me...] with dealing with everything we have to do with [just give up, reset. Your time is almost out] - look, if - [bugger, seconds left, finish strong, you said covid, so you might as well lean in and double down, this health care program wont come to me...] we finally beat [Covid...] Medicare [oh, great, there you are! Thanks for coming to me... to late now!]
    I feel he was searching for Medicare before he rambled, stumbled over Covid, then had covid on his brain when he tried to finish strong.
    Much better than the excuse in The Hill that he was trying to attack "big pharma".

    • @Backpfeifengesicht789
      @Backpfeifengesicht789 12 днів тому

      bwahaha, I reckon that is very close to what happened.

    • @pepwithchasanddrdave
      @pepwithchasanddrdave  11 днів тому

      Hahaha, I'm not going to read this out, Peter, cause it needs to be read. But I actually think you might be right! This is a brilliant translation of an addled mind. You should work in aged care! - chas

    • @Backpfeifengesicht789
      @Backpfeifengesicht789 10 днів тому

      @@pepwithchasanddrdave or chief of staff...

  • @Albot940
    @Albot940 12 днів тому

    Part 2!!!

  • @GreyHams
    @GreyHams 14 днів тому

    I'm pleased Richard got the memo about biege long sleeve top, pushed up to the elbows. Dr Dave never plays ball RE: PEP uniform du jour!

  • @tomstruct
    @tomstruct 14 днів тому

    Pep Tuesday 🎉 thanks team ❤

    • @tomstruct
      @tomstruct 14 днів тому

      Looking forward to more rich pep ❤

    • @tomstruct
      @tomstruct 14 днів тому

      Oh snap a triple pepper is even better