@@naren.freak1c You’re right, it does have a texture like the Wu. I see what you mean. Though you mean sound wise. Same black color as the Tripowin Piccolo as well.
I was hoping you were going to be blown away because of the size of the driver, not the case. Seems you don't need a huge DD to make good bass. Makes me wonder what the marketing concept is? Thanks for your review. Always enjoy them!
Your description seems like they'd be something interesting to me. And the graph actually looks really nice! That treble extension is great to see for a single DD - sometimes, bigger definitely is better 😂 Plus, really happy to hear that these aren't bass cannons. I can imagine they must feel really tactile though.
@@VortexReviews1 It's planar LMAO! They're kidding u (You can google for that teardown video by this model and "planar") Why weren’t you surprised that the response is almost from Timeless? Typical curve, typical peak on an 8 kHz, 14.5mm driver...
Me too! These aren’t as expensive as the 7hz Eternal, but I’ll wait for a good sale as well ! Compare them on BGGARs squig link graph, P20 looks way better. 7hz would have had something, but they messed up the top end on the Eternal, waaaay overpriced. Still on Linsoul, but dead in the water.😢
@@VortexReviews1 Nobody’s going to buy the Eternal. Another one to look at might be the iBasso 3t 154. It’s around the same price with a little bit bigger driver. As far as I know, nobody has a graph on it.
I was waiting for this. 14.5 mm driver can blast. Now i will start to watch the review. Heard that tgey take 5mw power without sacrifice. Bugger speakers always less bass like normal speakers unless you push them. Then they monsters. I have a set in my house with kilipsh that was monsters in size but at nirnal volumes the bass was not there. Unless i wake up all neighbours. So this p 20 is great for loud volumes
I got mine this morning, they are surprisingly comfortable for my ears considering the size and they stick out of my ears but not too much. I agree that they don't have massive bass, but it is fast and controlled and definitely present don't know if burn in will change that but i don't mind how it is now. I pretty much agree with everything you said here. Thanks for the great review and graph 💜
How do they compare to TinHifi T5S? They are at the same price. T5S has a good amount of bass and nice timbre. Mids are nice on it. What do you think they both compare?
Actually that sounds really nice, I have an all BA set that's got a dedicated sub, and you can hear the bass, but you don't feel the bass... I'd been thinking about getting a Legato because it's got a 12mm for the low end, but this one is joining the comparison list.
If you like nothing but bass,you’ll like the Legato. I tried it and sent it back. Too much bass, overwhelming, vocals are very recessed. If you want bass and balance,check out the Artti R1.
It's not a dynamic driver its a plannar = p
Really? Why not advertise it as a planar?
@@VortexReviews1 The marketing screwed up .....
@@chefsteve8381 That sucks
It looks like tangzu zeitan wu
I never noticed that before.
?. I’d say more like the Tangzu Fudu verse 1, which I didn’t like, this one looks interesting if the vocals are good.
I'm talking about looks
@@naren.freak1c You’re right, it does have a texture like the Wu. I see what you mean. Though you mean sound wise. Same black color as the Tripowin Piccolo as well.
These seem to have a surprisingly decent HF extension for a single DD. Also looks like one of the best tuned Shozy sets so far.
Agreed.
@@views8962 Yep, saw the video by Michael Bruce just earlier today. Strange stuff. I guess it's a marketing mishap of some sort.
@@views8962 Strange them not advertising it as a planar then?
Them advertising it as a planar.@@VortexReviews1
@@marcoscambraia55 It is one though. Shame they labeled it as a DD before.
I was hoping you were going to be blown away because of the size of the driver, not the case. Seems you don't need a huge DD to make good bass. Makes me wonder what the marketing concept is? Thanks for your review. Always enjoy them!
Cheers Mark and I like that they don't have crazy bass but have that extension instead. Cheers btw!
thats a planar mate
Will update the title and thumbnail.
Great review vortex! Love that matte black look
Cheers and I like the understated look as well.
Your description seems like they'd be something interesting to me. And the graph actually looks really nice! That treble extension is great to see for a single DD - sometimes, bigger definitely is better 😂 Plus, really happy to hear that these aren't bass cannons. I can imagine they must feel really tactile though.
I like them and that DD makes them different from the norm.
@@VortexReviews1 It's planar LMAO! They're kidding u (You can google for that teardown video by this model and "planar") Why weren’t you surprised that the response is almost from Timeless? Typical curve, typical peak on an 8 kHz, 14.5mm driver...
@@_lauft I did not want to guess. I am glad someone opened them up!
its a planar not DD
@@SileDevil Cheers.
Thanks for the vid Vortex! Try out the ibasso 3T-154 - that's a 15.4mm DD with 3 Tesla magnetic force. Bass kicks
Never even heard of that one. Will take a look.
Thank you for reviewing these. Definitely worth considering. They are a bit on the expensive side. But I would probably get them when on sale.
Thanks very much and indeed they are not that cheap.
Me too! These aren’t as expensive as the 7hz Eternal, but I’ll wait for a good sale as well ! Compare them on BGGARs squig link graph, P20 looks way better. 7hz would have had something, but they messed up the top end on the Eternal, waaaay overpriced. Still on Linsoul, but dead in the water.😢
@@sagaman4785 Eternal is disappointing in 2024 with all the competition.
@@VortexReviews1 Nobody’s going to buy the Eternal. Another one to look at might be the iBasso 3t 154. It’s around the same price with a little bit bigger driver. As far as I know, nobody has a graph on it.
@@sagaman4785 I know someone who has that. He might have graphed it but doesn't have Squig.
I was waiting for this. 14.5 mm driver can blast. Now i will start to watch the review. Heard that tgey take 5mw power without sacrifice. Bugger speakers always less bass like normal speakers unless you push them. Then they monsters. I have a set in my house with kilipsh that was monsters in size but at nirnal volumes the bass was not there. Unless i wake up all neighbours. So this p 20 is great for loud volumes
Indeed.
I got mine this morning, they are surprisingly comfortable for my ears considering the size and they stick out of my ears but not too much. I agree that they don't have massive bass, but it is fast and controlled and definitely present don't know if burn in will change that but i don't mind how it is now. I pretty much agree with everything you said here. Thanks for the great review and graph 💜
Thanks very much and glad you like them.
graph of Timeless... it's planar LMAO
How do they compare to TinHifi T5S? They are at the same price. T5S has a good amount of bass and nice timbre. Mids are nice on it. What do you think they both compare?
They are both different but both good. One is not really better than the other.
very early here....
Thanks for watching.
Actually that sounds really nice, I have an all BA set that's got a dedicated sub, and you can hear the bass, but you don't feel the bass... I'd been thinking about getting a Legato because it's got a 12mm for the low end, but this one is joining the comparison list.
BA bass can't compete but I know what you mean with the AS T800 with vented woofer BAs.
If you like nothing but bass,you’ll like the Legato. I tried it and sent it back. Too much bass, overwhelming, vocals are very recessed. If you want bass and balance,check out the Artti R1.