It's nice when the heat exchanger comes all in one piece. The carrier heat exchanger I installed last week was like putting furniture together from Ikea
jshady4873 been there done that, baskets and high temp, always concerns me after install. Personally I think York’s heat exchangers are the easiest to replace
I did not see any cracks on heat exchanger but two hot spots , if this fix the problem I am with you . Great job boss you the man bringining comfort to people
Neither was Alexander Hamilton who is on the $10 bill... And neither will Harriet Tubman who will be on the $20 bill scheduled to be in circulation this year (2020).
Ted, I could tell you were HVAC when I saw the wad of money you took out of your shirt pocket. I'm a poor-ass electrician, and when guys call me about a job, I tell them to get into HVAC. That is where the big bucks are! A Franklin in a shirt pocket? Not me! That thing is in my wallet with the pocket button fastened! Enjoy your videos. Thanks!
That flame sensor is just a piece of stainless steel. I just use plain ole sandpaper and have never had a problem. I guess we all have our way of doing things and the only right way is the way that works. The door switches used to be a safety switch because older units used to be more accessible to the residents of the home. They would have to take the cover off to change the filter and if they would just leave the door off, it would suck carbon monoxide into the blower and then into the house. These are 40 plus-year-old systems though and the door switch should have been repurposed years ago. For the love of God, why are they still using a mechanical switch with there are so many more modern options? Thx. for the info, vids, and entertainment. God bless bro.
That is a big job just as I imagined it would be! I never got the chance to change a heat exchanger when I was working because my boss would not allow us to do that! He said because of the liability and something possibly happening to the people living in the house we had to always replace the entire furnace! His exact words were when I questioned him about this were " carbon monoxide. is nothing to play with people die from that always replace the furnace just to be on the safe side" there were a few times that heat exchangers went bad under warranty starting with a smell in the house and then failing the smoke bomb test the owner argued with the manufacturer about just replacing the heat exchanger and everytime they would supply us with a replacement furnace! But the company had to eat the labor costs! I can still remember the boss saying all I want to see is a-- holes and elbows we are not making any money off of this ! You did what most HVAC technicians would do and i am not doubting what you did you cured the problem Ted!
The flame probe in my Payne furnace is rather finnicky; I usually end up cleaning it every heating season due to the furnace failing to detect ignition. I use sandpaper or Scotch-Brite to clean it.
Had this exact furnace the other day with a failed HE with 2000 ppm in the flue. Never could find the crack in it was rolling out badly in one of the burners.
I LOVE talking to scammers when they call me all I say is c h u t i y a and that's all it's tremendously satisfying and funny at the same time nothing like swearing at somebody in their own language of Hindi
It's awesome to see how others work throughout the US. Here in Southern California, our gas utility would have turned off the gas to the home if they saw the copper gas connector. I didn't think copper was every allowed for natural gas. Perhaps that connector is not copper, or maybe its a propane system?
Different building codes depending on where you live. Ted uses flexible metal venting for his 80% . I dont think it would be allowed where I live but where he is it is ok. ...
Hi Ted, so wanted to comment on your 100$ bill acting as sandpaper. So, except for $1 bill, if you feel with you thumb the black “ shoulders “ of the other bills, you can sense ridges. That would make a great super fine sandpaper, not to mention if the bill is real or counterfeit. Always enjoy your calm demeanor. Neal in Atlanta
Back in the early 90s I worked for a guy who installed Rheems. Boy, did I ever change A LOT of heat exchangers!! Got pretty fast at it too. But now I work for myself, mostly doing oil furnaces. Good oil burner techs are hard to find around my area here in Pa.
Few and Far between here too .... I am one of about 5 left in the upstate area that can properly service and oil burner. One day I will get the chance to video one... make good ol Steve Lav proud !!
Copper gas lines are against most city and state codes , even the railroad commission which regulates propane which is much more dangerous than natural gas. Most licensed contractors and even lowly technicians are well aware of the liabilities of servicing a unit and Not replacing a copper line with coated flex line and a proper “drip leg” with hard pipe connection from the gas valve through to the outside of the unit as safely precaution against vibration breaking the coated flex....I believe its a national plumbing and mechanical code
cassidy strickland both the uniform code and the international code have sections that reference the use of copper for gas piping. 403.10 is the section to look up in icc codes, it addresses the use of copper.
Using solid copper pipe prone to vibration is a bad idea regardless of building code or not. Disabling the safety switch can be a criminal activity if done willfully.
Blower door safety switch are needed for lazy HVAC contractors who do not provide a filter rack on outside of furnace and make the homeowners have to remove the blower door and install filters from inside the furnace lol. And we all know what happens most of the time when this happens the filters are never changed by most homeowners or they just do not know where the filter is located lol.
I tested the incoming and and manifold gas pressures before ordering the Heat Exchanger... also tested the temp rise after unit was running but the people were at home, talking to me at that time... and I don't record much in front of customers. The copper line is fine.
Can't get it to pull up, sorry. Showed how after long term use of copper, flakes and gets into gas valve. I stopped using it like 1990. Guess it's still legal, only time I used it was short runs on LP gas.
Ted - I've been following you for almost 2 years and really enjoy your content. I'm a DIYer on a lot of things but know my limits. I have 2 90+% efficient trane gas furnaces, 1 in the attic and 1 in the crawlspace. Same product line, just different sizes. On the one in the crawlspace I recently noticed that I have a rusty spot which has begun to seep a small amount of condensate water from the furnace condensor...this is near the water outlet on the furnace condensor, below the inducer. Based on the videos I have seen online, I believe a replacement of the heat exchanger would replace the area where the rusty/leaky spot it. But, it's a 2005 model furnace, so it's 17 years old. At that age, does it make any sense at all to replace just the heat exchanger, or should I replace the whole furnace? I've no complaints about how either the furnace or the AC work...I just need to know what makes the most sense to replace.
You said that was a new furnace? I would think a liberal state like NC would require 90+ AFUE in new installations. That's a rather complex heat exchanger for an 80% AFUE furnace. What size is it?
I never see you leak test gas fittings or clean burners when they ar out and the flame sensor work by voltage rectification also suggest tag unit with brief explanation of repair date tech no. Also those gas valve manifold pressure should be checked
Awesome video. Nice blue flames! I have a Trane propane 95% aflu. It's 28 yrs old and still kicking nice. Likely because I use a Harman pellet stove also and a wood stove before that, so it took a lot of the work of the furnace off it. Question: When the time comes should I just replace the furnace or have the heat exchanger replaced?
You can doge the robot Calls for cell phone you pay like 2 to 4 Bucks a Month it Hangsup on them you can also edit the List to includes numbers that Shouldn't Be Block Download NOMOROBO I have it for my house line which is free for VOIP Landlines Love It No More Robo Calls I love it I was getting 20 a day for a longtime but now 0 a day love it
We use a c0 tester in supply duct...Also, local gas company was called out the night before we were brought in, they placed an unsafe appliance tag on line to furnace and shut gas off to it.
It’s hard to explain the smell unless you have smelled it before it doesn’t smell like sulfur or like natural gas, and actually what your smelling isn’t necessarily CO but you will be smelling combustion products so whatever is in natural gas once you burn it you will be smelling that, if hard to describe but it smells Smokey I guess if I had to put put a smell to it, a sign that your heat exchanger is going bad though or leaking you’ll see some black stuff or sooty deposits coming from the air outlets around your house. Best thing would be to have Carbon Monoxide detectors near the vent outlets just in case.
My trick is take pictures or just follow the wiring diagram and go wire by wire but it wouldn’t surprise me if this guy just knows the where the wires go by heart because he pretty much only works with trane units.
The door switch does have a purpose but I don't know why any homeowner with any sense would be poking around in there. Besides that, it's so easy to bypass, it might as well not be there. On natural draft furnaces I can understand it because you'd be pulling in CO out of the hood but those are nearly extinct dinosaurs by now.
The problem is most homeowners have no idea and that switch helps minimize the accident. I don’t mind techs bypassing it during service but I’d prefer they let it do its thing once they are gone. Bypassing anything that might be a safety device is no longer acceptable practice in the gas business.
watch another guy that just started out not bad tech but a lot of late nights looking to retire in two years doing industrial now not a lot of climbing
Really enjoying this channel, and all the content you put out. I'd like to see your everyday tool carry (service bag) if you ever get around to it. Thanks!
What??? 80% heat exchangers are under negative pressure. Even if there was cracks it would not produce CO in the living space. So why didn't you show the us the "cracks" in the heat exchangers??? Good thing its under warranty so the customer did not get dinged too hard for misdiagnosis by gas co.
" even if was crack won't produce CO " ??? You must be on crack to think that. Yes it may not produce CO right away. Give enough time and it will burn incorrectly and WILL produce CO. Plus when trane manufacture that unit it did come with a crack in heat exchanger so I guess you just leave people with cracks in heat exchanger till its an actual problem or someone is dead.
Why don't you just replace the unit instead of jacking around with the old one which you can do on your own free time? Install the part get the unit up to working and leave! Enough said
It's nice when the heat exchanger comes all in one piece. The carrier heat exchanger I installed last week was like putting furniture together from Ikea
jshady4873 been there done that, baskets and high temp, always concerns me after install. Personally I think York’s heat exchangers are the easiest to replace
I did not see any cracks on heat exchanger but two hot spots , if this fix the problem I am with you . Great job boss you the man bringining comfort to people
Benjamin Franklin wasn’t a president lol
Neither was Alexander Hamilton who is on the $10 bill... And neither will Harriet Tubman who will be on the $20 bill scheduled to be in circulation this year (2020).
Ted, I could tell you were HVAC when I saw the wad of money you took out of your shirt pocket. I'm a poor-ass electrician, and when guys call me about a job, I tell them to get into HVAC. That is where the big bucks are! A Franklin in a shirt pocket? Not me! That thing is in my wallet with the pocket button fastened! Enjoy your videos. Thanks!
That flame sensor is just a piece of stainless steel. I just use plain ole sandpaper and have never had a problem. I guess we all have our way of doing things and the only right way is the way that works.
The door switches used to be a safety switch because older units used to be more accessible to the residents of the home. They would have to take the cover off to change the filter and if they would just leave the door off, it would suck carbon monoxide into the blower and then into the house. These are 40 plus-year-old systems though and the door switch should have been repurposed years ago. For the love of God, why are they still using a mechanical switch with there are so many more modern options?
Thx. for the info, vids, and entertainment.
God bless bro.
That is a big job just as I imagined it would be! I never got the chance to change a heat exchanger when I was working because my boss would not allow us to do that! He said because of the liability and something possibly happening to the people living in the house we had to always replace the entire furnace! His exact words were when I questioned him about this were " carbon monoxide. is nothing to play with people die from that always replace the furnace just to be on the safe side" there were a few times that heat exchangers went bad under warranty starting with a smell in the house and then failing the smoke bomb test the owner argued with the manufacturer about just replacing the heat exchanger and everytime they would supply us with a replacement furnace! But the company had to eat the labor costs! I can still remember the boss saying all I want to see is a-- holes and elbows we are not making any money off of this ! You did what most HVAC technicians would do and i am not doubting what you did you cured the problem Ted!
You are the best of the best! And yes, Franklin was president (of his bowling club!)!
The flame probe in my Payne furnace is rather finnicky; I usually end up cleaning it every heating season due to the furnace failing to detect ignition. I use sandpaper or Scotch-Brite to clean it.
Had this exact furnace the other day with a failed HE with 2000 ppm in the flue. Never could find the crack in it was rolling out badly in one of the burners.
No idea where the issue was... but it is fixed !
@@TedCookHVAC fill with water??
Fun fact: Franklin wanted the national bird to be a turkey.
I LOVE talking to scammers when they call me all I say is c h u t i y a and that's all it's tremendously satisfying and funny at the same time nothing like swearing at somebody in their own language of Hindi
Ben Franklin was one of our founding fathers. The $10 bill also not a president. Alexander Hamilton was another founding father.
Danny L Sacajawea, Susan b Anthony
Looks like they needed one of the ceramic coated models from Sears.
Always amazing to think you got big flames coming on on your attic
Crimps can leak around the heat exchanger which are next to impossible to find where it is leaking from.
It's awesome to see how others work throughout the US. Here in Southern California, our gas utility would have turned off the gas to the home if they saw the copper gas connector. I didn't think copper was every allowed for natural gas. Perhaps that connector is not copper, or maybe its a propane system?
Different building codes depending on where you live. Ted uses flexible metal venting for his 80% . I dont think it would be allowed where I live but where he is it is ok. ...
Here in Texas copper is not allowed for use with natural gas.
Propane yes.
What if the real reason Ted records his UA-cam videos is just in case he forgets how to put everything back together ? 🤔
LOL busted !!
I always do that for that reason. I have very good memory but pretty short.
Hi Ted, so wanted to comment on your 100$ bill acting as sandpaper. So, except for $1 bill, if you feel with you thumb the black “ shoulders “ of the other bills, you can sense ridges. That would make a great super fine sandpaper, not to mention if the bill is real or counterfeit. Always enjoy your calm demeanor. Neal in Atlanta
Back in the early 90s I worked for a guy who installed Rheems. Boy, did I ever change A LOT of heat exchangers!! Got pretty fast at it too. But now I work for myself, mostly doing oil furnaces. Good oil burner techs are hard to find around my area here in Pa.
Few and Far between here too .... I am one of about 5 left in the upstate area that can properly service and oil burner. One day I will get the chance to video one... make good ol Steve Lav proud !!
Ive been debating doing videos myself. I have a house trailer tomorrow morning with a oil burner, maybe Ill give filming a try
Look forward to seeing it !!
Copper gas lines are against most city and state codes , even the railroad commission which regulates propane which is much more dangerous than natural gas. Most licensed contractors and even lowly technicians are well aware of the liabilities of servicing a unit and Not replacing a copper line with coated flex line and a proper “drip leg” with hard pipe connection from the gas valve through to the outside of the unit as safely precaution against vibration breaking the coated flex....I believe its a national plumbing and mechanical code
cassidy strickland both the uniform code and the international code have sections that reference the use of copper for gas piping. 403.10 is the section to look up in icc codes, it addresses the use of copper.
Just wait until you see the pex-al-pex used for natural gas lines in houses.
Using solid copper pipe prone to vibration is a bad idea regardless of building code or not. Disabling the safety switch can be a criminal activity if done willfully.
@@erictold At least we live in a county that has no building codes.
If you fill the heat exchanger with water it makes it easy to find the cracks.
Blower door safety switch are needed for lazy HVAC contractors who do not provide a filter rack on outside of furnace and make the homeowners have to remove the blower door and install filters from inside the furnace lol. And we all know what happens most of the time when this happens the filters are never changed by most homeowners or they just do not know where the filter is located lol.
How about adding some Benny Hill music to the faster sections.
Sounds like a good idea !!
Ben was our first ambassador to France.
Gee that thing lit up nicely. Wish my junk did that lol.
Did you ever locate the crack or bed crimp in the swapped exchanger? Thanks for sharing.
Fill with water to find the leak.
Good work brother keep it going and those videos coming. Stay Blessed
Thanks Keith !!
Good repair on warranty H.E.. I would have replaced copper line, and check gas pressure, temp rise. Guess that just me.
I tested the incoming and and manifold gas pressures before ordering the Heat Exchanger... also tested the temp rise after unit was running but the people were at home, talking to me at that time... and I don't record much in front of customers. The copper line is fine.
That link doesn't work ?
Can't get it to pull up, sorry. Showed how after long term use of copper, flakes and gets into gas valve. I stopped using it like 1990. Guess it's still legal, only time I used it was short runs on LP gas.
Properly configured sediment traps are effective... however I don't install copper gas lines anymore either... we like Gas-Tite.
Ted - I've been following you for almost 2 years and really enjoy your content. I'm a DIYer on a lot of things but know my limits. I have 2 90+% efficient trane gas furnaces, 1 in the attic and 1 in the crawlspace. Same product line, just different sizes. On the one in the crawlspace I recently noticed that I have a rusty spot which has begun to seep a small amount of condensate water from the furnace condensor...this is near the water outlet on the furnace condensor, below the inducer. Based on the videos I have seen online, I believe a replacement of the heat exchanger would replace the area where the rusty/leaky spot it. But, it's a 2005 model furnace, so it's 17 years old. At that age, does it make any sense at all to replace just the heat exchanger, or should I replace the whole furnace? I've no complaints about how either the furnace or the AC work...I just need to know what makes the most sense to replace.
I would re-pipe the gas line to get rid of the copper loop.
You could see or locate no cracks on the heat exchanger. What is the explanation for detecting CO?
How much did Trane pay you to replace this?
You said that was a new furnace? I would think a liberal state like NC would require 90+ AFUE in new installations.
That's a rather complex heat exchanger for an 80% AFUE furnace. What size is it?
Ted’s In South Carolina.
I always hang up when I hear anything about credit or opportunity.
Again, the best!
Did the customer have a CO monitor in the house?
I never see you leak test gas fittings or clean burners when they ar out and the flame sensor work by voltage rectification also suggest tag unit with brief explanation of repair date tech no.
Also those gas valve manifold pressure should be checked
Awesome video. Nice blue flames! I have a Trane propane 95% aflu. It's 28 yrs old and still kicking nice. Likely because I use a Harman pellet stove also and a wood stove before that, so it took
a lot of the work of the furnace off it. Question: When the time comes should I just replace the furnace or have the heat exchanger replaced?
Good luck finding a 30yo heat exchanger
Just replace the entire furnace. Almost the same cost as the heya exchangers, and you’ll have all new parts, +warranty
Changing a heat exchanger is not one of my favorites! B.l.t.n64!
What sort of smell was it putting out???
How long did the whole job take
Fill it with water
I have no opinion on the tape for switch, I've seen one gas ahu in my life here in So. TX, most units straight cool, elec heat. Gas systems too busy.
OMG there are copper gas whips,that is a big no no.
Nice job and video
Benjamin Franklin was president number 100 LOL
The manifold pressure should also be checked .
No secondary pan under the coil? Is it code in Tennessee? In NJ it is.
I'm sure the Treasury Dept doesn't appreciate your destroying currency...lol
did you check manifold pressure and temp rise?
How long did it take you to replace the heat exchanger?
Nice job ty
Maybe the four holes in the furnace cabinet was the problem
You can doge the robot Calls for cell phone you pay like 2 to 4 Bucks a Month it Hangsup on them you can also edit the List to includes numbers that Shouldn't Be Block Download NOMOROBO I have it for my house line which is free for VOIP Landlines Love It No More Robo Calls I love it I was getting 20 a day for a longtime but now 0 a day love it
How did you determine the heat exchanger was bad? Did I miss the heat exchanger cracks on your video?
We use a c0 tester in supply duct...Also, local gas company was called out the night before we were brought in, they placed an unsafe appliance tag on line to furnace and shut gas off to it.
You could have done this faster and easier if you had a LED head lamp with a 18650 rechargeable battery.
Somebody knows how to clean a flame sensor :)) Did you find the cracks on the heat exchanger?
No I did not see any obvious cracks... but the issues went away when changed out.
will elec. tape work or has to be aluminium tape?
Why no high temp sealant?
You said it had a distinct odor..
Sewer smell???
Smelled of natural gas I assume
It’s hard to explain the smell unless you have smelled it before it doesn’t smell like sulfur or like natural gas, and actually what your smelling isn’t necessarily CO but you will be smelling combustion products so whatever is in natural gas once you burn it you will be smelling that, if hard to describe but it smells Smokey I guess if I had to put put a smell to it, a sign that your heat exchanger is going bad though or leaking you’ll see some black stuff or sooty deposits coming from the air outlets around your house.
Best thing would be to have Carbon
Monoxide detectors near the vent outlets just in case.
Still has rollout ......?
How do you remember where all the wires go to?
My trick is take pictures or just follow the wiring diagram and go wire by wire but it wouldn’t surprise me if this guy just knows the where the wires go by heart because he pretty much only works with trane units.
I've always taken pictures of the devices I have taken apart, since I was a kid.
He had one beside him to double check that's a good one to see if you can figure out just by memory for practice and confidence
Ben Franklin went to Europe to get support for the States in the Revolutionary War.
Ambassador
The door switch does have a purpose but I don't know why any homeowner with any sense would be poking around in there. Besides that, it's so easy to bypass, it might as well not be there. On natural draft furnaces I can understand it because you'd be pulling in CO out of the hood but those are nearly extinct dinosaurs by now.
The problem is most homeowners have no idea and that switch helps minimize the accident. I don’t mind techs bypassing it during service but I’d prefer they let it do its thing once they are gone. Bypassing anything that might be a safety device is no longer acceptable practice in the gas business.
I bypassed my door switch because it was the first part to fail on my furnace. Goodman uses some cheap switches.
I would have filled it with water from the garden hose
watch another guy that just started out not bad tech but a lot of late nights looking to retire in two years doing industrial now not a lot of climbing
Really enjoying this channel, and all the content you put out. I'd like to see your everyday tool carry (service bag) if you ever get around to it. Thanks!
I use a couple of Veto bags... I will eventually do a service truck video when it warms up a bit more. Thank You for watching !!
And you still don't listen to the old man!? Why?
I don't like fast forward.
Ben Franklin wasn’t a president come on Ted
Franklin was not a president
loved woman and flew a kite
What president was never elected President?
Nothing like a crappy attitude from the start
What??? 80% heat exchangers are under negative pressure. Even if there was cracks it would not produce CO in the living space. So why didn't you show the us the "cracks" in the heat exchangers??? Good thing its under warranty so the customer did not get dinged too hard for misdiagnosis by gas co.
Not a misdiagnosis.... there was massive CO in the conditioned area before changing the Heat Exchanger... 0 after installing the new one.
" even if was crack won't produce CO " ??? You must be on crack to think that. Yes it may not produce CO right away. Give enough time and it will burn incorrectly and WILL produce CO. Plus when trane manufacture that unit it did come with a crack in heat exchanger so I guess you just leave people with cracks in heat exchanger till its an actual problem or someone is dead.
@@TedCookHVAC Could not find no crack /rusty holes. So WHY the massive CO in the house???
Copper tubing for gas line. That not good.
Why?
Why don't you just replace the unit instead of jacking around with the old one which you can do on your own free time? Install the part get the unit up to working and leave! Enough said