Mick Gordon EXPOSES iD Software over Doom Eternal OST controversy
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2022
- In this video we take a look at the latest controversy surrounding Mick Gordon exposing iD Software during the making of the Doom Eternal Soundtrack. There is some INSANE allegations that get made, so you DON'T want to miss this. The links to all of the relevant articles in full detail are posted down below. Let me know what you all think of this crazy situation, and please like, comment, and subscribe!
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Marty Stratton's reddit open letter - / doom_eternal_ost_open_...
Mick Gordon's statement - / my-full-statement-rega...
Bethesda's response - www.ign.com/articles/bethesda...
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I hate how companies cannot EVER act grown up in a situation like this and act like jealous kids. The statement from ID Software comes across like some kid explaining to their parents how they did nothing wrong, and it was in fact ALL the other peoples fault while pretending to be %100 innocent. I find that behavior insulting and makes me feel like the company thinks it can manipulate me easily
Youre not wrong. The shit is just uncalled for. Definitely curious to see how a judge rules things.
@Whip it i hate you went through this...
This is simply corporate gaslighting. It happens when you have psychotic managers combined with lawyers and it happens all the time.
They know they are wrong so they will use any weasel words, any slight the other party has done to blow it way out of proportion and use lies and slander to make it go their way, simply because they know that in order to "rectify" it you have to sue them and that is a huge barrier on cost and time.
I've dealt with a very similar situation and it's just simply horrible.
@@bami2 i hate that you went through something like this. Its an awful position to be in.
Yep and personally I find it's a very telling "it's all I need to know about you" in case I didn't already fully realize you were corrupt. But as I already realized that, it's just a confirmation. Anyway Doom was an awesome soundtrack with a video game as a bonus. And ultimately I don't need the video game, I'm not into goodies, so....
Remember this as well:
"Reddit Moderator: I reached out to one of the r/DOOM moderators. We made contact and arranged a call via Discord.
The moderator introduced himself and spoke about his love for the DOOM franchise and its fanbase. Along with the r/DOOM subreddit, he told me he also moderated the official DOOM Discord server.
I told him how Marty’s Reddit post had affected me deeply, both professionally and personally. It was a source of ongoing stress and harm, and I asked if he’d consider removing it.
Much to my relief, he instantly took it down.
But within 12 hours, the post was reinstated. The moderator blocked me on Discord and didn’t reply to my emails.
A few days later, Marty’s lawyers contacted me and said removing the Reddit post had greatly offended him. He was furious and made it clear in the strongest terms that an amicable resolution would be impossible."
Good grief... see stuff like this makes it hard not to choose sides.
Well, I feel very strongly. That Marty Stratton be blacklisted from the industry forever.
A guy with his standing will probably never face consequences like that. And what's even more troubling is that on his live streams for Doom Eternal he seems like an extremely nice and likable guy.
We as customers have a vote too. The most important vote. Unless Bethesda can prove their side of the story or chooses to do the right thing, we can choose not to buy Starfield, the next Doom, their umpteenth Skyrim re-release etc. Otherwise we have also let them off the hook for failing to hold Marty (and themselves) accountable.
@@DrumlionMusic guess is a good actor and a vile snake
@@DrumlionMusic Hey! Just letting you know the guy on the Streams for Doom Eternal was actually someone else, named Hugo Martin. Marty Stratton is someone else.
Hugo Martin was the game director for Doom Eternal, whereas Marty Stratton is the executive producer for the entire studio
"There's always two sides to a story"
And Bethesda are doing their absolute best to convince me otherwise 😆😂🤣.
#JusticeForMick ✊
I gotta admit you had me in the first half lol. Im with you on this
Let me see if I understand this correctly...
-Mike decides to air out his business with Mick (even though very little of Mike's story made sense and was NOT part of the industry standard)
-Then Mick, after two years, decides to give a thorough and detailed account of the events (Mind you, against his best interest since this would affect his reputation as an independent contractor) with evidence, screenshots, and metadata that proves his point...
And Zenimax and ID response amounts to "Nah ah, not true".... Is anyone convinced by this response?
it reminds me of dealing with situations in highschool where I get attacked by bullies, fight back and hurt said bullies, then in the office its like "These 3 kids say you just walked up to them and attacked them for no reason" - "Well they attacked me and what I did was actually defend myself"
- "Nuh uh! That's all lies! everything he saying is misrepresenting what happened and is only HIS SIDE of the story! We did nothing wrong, it was all him! He just attacked all 3 of us for nothing when we where minding our own business!" all while the 3 kids stare at me laughing....
You guys hit the nail on the head. Receipts, evidence and a FULL account of the backstory versus Bethesda's "nuh uh!"
@@DrumlionMusic I'm not even trying to fanboy for Mick, is just that his story is too well presented, and ZeniMax has a history of being the bad guys... I'm willing to hear them out, but is difficult when the only thing they say is "Nuh uh"
@@thatguywiththeguitar7203 i feel the same way. Reading his statement was like reading something out of a movie
Suuuuure, because Marty's statement wasn't FAR more "unjust" and filled with one-sided distortions that was BLATANLY intended to *ruin* Mick's reputation (Which has been SPOTLESS up until this point). Only with ZERO evidence to back it up and coming across as petty and vindictive. Where as Mick's response, comes across as nothing more than trying to protect his professional reputation. And of course Bethesda stands by their subsidiary company rather than a contract worker. Having your back (even when you're in the wrong) is what parent companies do, because they have more invested in them. Mick being ruined doesn't damage them! Marty being ruined does!
Plus at no point do they even TRY to say Mick is lying about anything. Just that he's picking and choosing what he is presenting (meaning everything in his statement IS true). Which is just how presenting a defence is done. People would loose interest if he presented too much info. And why are they presenting the harassment of Marty and Chad as if Mick incited it? Mick straight up said not to harass or attack anyone. But we all know the internet is FULL of crazy people who just want to stir the pot. So why is it only a problem now that its happening to them? They were quite content to let Marty's statement incite the harassment Mick was getting, but he had to endure that alone, with no massive company to protect him. Marty is also the one who took this to reddit and the court of public opinion to begin with. So that alone says how unprofessional he is.
Simple fact is, Bethesda is KNOWN for litigation, if Bethesda *actually* thought they were in the right, they wouldn't have made a transparent corporate PR statement to placate people and save face that ultimately says nothing, they'd have stayed quiet and started the legal process, as they have done MANY times before. But this statement is an empty defence that screams that they KNOW they have *nothing!*
Seriously. "A one-sided and unjust account of an irreparable professional relationship" - like that doesn't describe the 2020 Reddit post? And what principle could possibly be applied to justify that that wouldn't also justify Mick's Medium post defending himself?
Throw in the weak language (Not even claiming that Mick is lying, just presenting "incomplete facts"), the attempt to hide behind the team (his post makes very clear his only beef is with Marty), and the not actually saying they're going to do anything (for a company as well known for zealous litigation as Zenimax...) it seems clear they've got nothing.
@@rna151 Yup
There's a lot of mic dropping going on in this post. I like it.
A lot going on, crazy! I think what everyone really wants is a collaboration between Mick Gordon and Alex Terrible in the future. I think there's potential for something special there.
Oh no doubt about it. I definitely believe Alex is on board to do more.
Glad you covered this. I’m already balls deep in it but was good to see you give it attention. Mick’s lengthy article is worth the time investment.
I am glad you got something out of my video friend...means alot
Mick has documentation that verifies a fair amount of his statements.
He didn't just make a random post, he showed decent evidence for much of what he was alleging.
Bethesda offers nothing to discredit any of it, and is just attempting damage control.
They have a vested interest, and likely fiduciary obligation, to protect ID and their brand and investment. They are also not going to admit liability for anything for obvious reasons.
Basically, there is little reason to trust Bethesda on this matter at all. They have every reason to lie and likely couldn't admit to any of it even if they wanted to.
Even if Mick's account is skewed in his favor, he has the documentation to largely support his claims to enough degree that it's hard to discount his side of things.
There's enough there that even if he isn't "telling the whole story", it's pretty clear he was the wronged party and that internal management issues at ID were the problem.
There's no way for Bethesda to spin their way out of this. They are responsible for ID, and the only actual evidence we've seen shows that ID messed this up, not Mick Gordon.
Gordon easily has enough documentation for a solid court case, but I completely get why if he doesn't want to pursue it, it's time consuming, expensive, and I completely understand why it might not be worth it to him if his open letter is enough to restore his reputation so he can get back to making music.
The general vibe I've gotten is that there's a good chance it was.
This reply is spot on, and I absolutely applaud you for your insight and assessment on this whole mess.
Mick’s a man with an immense amount of integrity and ethics. When someone comes after that based on lies, best believe he’s gonna be ready to rip and tear, with receipts. Love your channel! Just found it today and subbed.
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Looks like Bungie and ID have much in common with abusing their composers and freelancers like sweat shop labor workers
Right? Imagine that...
I really don't get why Marty seemed so vengeful and petty when it comes to Mick Gordon. It doesn't make sense, this vendetta seems to be mostly personal in nature. His livestreams show him as a nice guy, which weirds me out, it's hard to keep a facade on a livestream and it's hard to see the Marty on stream as the Marty Mick had to work with. With the amount of receipts Mick presented, it's obvious that Id had big problems with this guy. Ultimately, we need more information, either information on Id, because their statement was a nothing burger, or information on Mick. Maybe we could get some words from the other people that worked with Mick Gordon after Doom Eternal. This is definitely not a situation like the Bayonetta 3 voice actor debacle.
This is precisely why if new developments come up from either side I plan to talk about it here.
Mick doesnt need them.
He has alot of projects going on and doesnt need to be dealing with that shit.
also true
Whether or not Mick's account and evidence should be taken at face value, iD is still to blame for the OST. When you take the barest of agreed upon fact in this story, you know that Marty promised the OST with the preorder at E3 2019, waited until January 2020 to negotiate a contract and the tracks that sucked were from Chad Mossholder, lead audio designer at iD. These issues were all done by iD at Marty's direction. iD should have done the responsible thing of apologizing to customers and fixing the OST. Instead, Marty gave nothing but excuses and tried to use Mick as a scapegoat. Even if Mick shares blame in this, which evidence to date show little in the way of that being so, it is still iD who delivered the shoddy product. Marty and iD deserves the customer dissatisfaction aimed at them.
I agree. A fans who would have preordered transparency is A MUST if we cant get a product when we are told it will be available. Especially since we aren't aware of most of the behind the scenes stuff.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
No problem at all.
Of course i have heard of Doom. But honestly i don't play video games i have Only owned a Nintendo and Sega when i was in Elementary School. However back when i was in JR High i played Quake on PC and i enjoyed it. If i were to play Any game console it would be the Classic & Vintage Consoles. So No thoughts for this video do to my lack of any prior knowledge on the topic.💀🤘
That's perfectly okay bro. And for what's its worth i grew up on the NES in the early 90s. Truth be told this situation paints a picture how the industry can be (for both video games as well as the music industry). Its cutthroat.
very interesting, First time I've heard of this.
The stuff in Micks article will really blow you away... I couldn't believe some of the stuff i read. It was like a movie
@@DrumlionMusic Yes it was a very interesting watch, thanks for making the video and bringing it to light for those like myself who live under a rock :)
@@evilmonkeygaming7200 its my pleasure friend!
I'm a huge Mick Gordon fan and I stand with him. Great video!
Thanks so much!!
Bethesda can barely released their game without issue nowadays i highly believe they are on damage control. Screw them.
bethesda taking the wrong side rofl
Irrespective of Mick's tisms, iD did him dirty.
it really bothers me that ID Software keeps on the standpoint that it was always Mick's mistakes that caused their work relationships to crumble, and refuse to admit they made mistakes as well and that it was both parties that made mistakes. They tried to throw mick under the bus, and it doesnt matter even what mick said, if there is a problem with a large AAA game company and a single dev, im %100 positive NO matter the situation the AAA company is not %100 innocent. THERE IS NO CHANCE of that. That makes Id Software look not only like liars, but as emotional abusers that lie to people about other people trying to control peoples perception about situations. It really makes me lose respect in them.
True. And i firmly believe they made Mick the sacrificial lamb in all of this.
All I know is, it was a big mistake to fire Mick. The game without his music wasn´t the same anymore. He gave the game the cherry on top of the pie
I love the new direction in music too. Sometimes its great to get a fresh take on things.
id's response was flat-out aggressive and mocking. Claiming all of his statements to be lies and distortions of truth, saying there are two sides to the story... and then refusing to share their side of the story outside of court? That's fishy as fuck. This music deserves to be on a franchise that allocates time and care for its creators and products, not just speeding everything off the factory line as quick as possible because the suits set unrealistic deadlines to try to appease to a fanbase with the attention span of a hummingbird. id chose this business model, they chose to sell out, they chose to go corporate, they set their OWN deadlines, I don't want to hear excuses on the pressures of getting a game out "in time", they set the damn time! They hand-picked Mick for this project, then threw out half his shit and made him redo it, then mastered stuff without his input and it has HIS name on it! They claimed they had "no problems" with his creative vision (only... they did...), they ONLY had an issue with the fact that he wasn't RUSHING the music, which is his creative *process* - literally the bulk of his job. Which is what they were PAYING him for. They act like they're taking care of their own, but he was a contracted employee too, and they're simply playing favorites with their salary workers. And I'm just going to say this one fucking time. I don't give a shit if you don't like the songs he made. You PAY HIM for his WORK. Buyers remorse sucks for everyone, he doesn't want to throw away a song that he put his heart into either, let alone 9 of them, but you do NOT just... NOT pay someone for weeks/months of work just because you don't like the final product. Especially if you're a multi-million dollar company, there's just no excuse. I don't care if he was annoying, I don't care if he was rude, I don't care if he "didn't work fast enough", I don't care if he didn't make "what you expected". You do not just NOT pay someone when they did work for you, that's not okay. Fuck id.
Oh you mic dropped this shit my friend! Dammmnnnn!
On the one hand, Bethesda needs to pay him for all of his work. On the other I cannot stand modern Doom music and am not sad to see Mick "generic metal chugging" Gordon go.
Most of classic Doom's music isn't just generic chugging with occasional electronic screeching pretending to be a melody, and Gordon's soundtrack is a huge betrayal to the og fans.
I come from the old school like you. I played Doom back in the early 90s. So I will always have love for the classics, but as a musician (a metal musician at that), I can appreciate a fresh take on things.
Heck yeah brother 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸 thanks for covering this my friend
Always good to see you friend...