50 feet isn't that high? 😂 The average roof height is 8 ish feet. She thinks people wouldn't break their legs falling from a height that is 6 times higher than the typical roof height?
Maybe she's thinking of cats? As for humans, they studied unalive jumpers who lived vs those who didn't. 50 feet is = to about a 5 story building. It was at 5 stories that the impact damage overrode the body's will to live in more cases than not. Some people live from 8+ story jumps, depending on how and where they land, and their physiology. Technically it's possible to jump from 50 feet and break everything but your legs, though the statistics are improbable.
This perfectly encapsulates conversation with fellow Americans. ANYTHING to not concede, ANYTHING to not be wrong. Leave with your tail between your legs if you have to, but NEVER admit that you are not entirely correct on everything to protect that final corner of fragile ego.
"From my extremely limited and sheltered perspective, I've only seen good people. Also, fall damage doesn't exist" Girl, get off your videogame and come back to reality XD
4:15 Species, not breed. Breed isn't a taxonomical category, its a socially constructed category for genetically modified organisms. The caller is suffering from a severe case of dunning-kruger for just about everything
4:55 “it doesn’t apply to everyone” The number of men who do behave like this overshadows the number that don’t. That’s the point. There aren’t enough “good” men to cancel out or ignore the “bad” ones (to put it simply). The effect of the “bad” ones is too great.
There absolutely are enough good men. There are 2 reasons why someone may not be able to get a good man. Either poor choices (possibly replicating their household situation growing up), or because the good men are trying to find good women. Find which one applies to you and you'll likely find someone.
@@frishter ah, so in either of the two reasons, the woman is at fault. In reason 1, she "made poor choices", and in reason 2, she is implied to not be a good woman since good men are not already with her. I wonder what someone would call this kind of thinking. Misogyny, perhaps?
@@frishter As a fellow guy, come the f*ck on. Most guys suck in a variety of ways - maybe you need to start dating dudes to realize. Daddy issues aren't hot in real life, and too many guys struggle with opening up emotionally even after you've blown them harder than the big bad wolf.
@@quinn7427 Correct. Now you're getting it. If you get yourself in a bad situation, then you're not necessarily to blame. But if you keep getting yourself into a bad situation, then there's often something else at play. Interesting how you blame misogyny when OP outright claims there isn't enough good men. Clearly you're not actually interested in sex based discrimination.
@@PoliticalAndTheologicalStudy Men would be more likely to open up emotionally if their emotions weren't used against them. Every time they do talk about their feelings, they're invalidated. It's bad advice to give only put out to break them. Both men and women have their perks and flaws. If women were as faultless as they made out, lesbian relationships wouldn't have high rates of domestic violence. We've beaten on men for too long. If you want a functional society, we need to build them back up. Too many have low self worth because of leftism. If they are to carry the weight of the world's problems, they at least need the recognition and strength to hold it. For many that is enough. Too many are just peacing out because they see no point in a life of hardship when they just end up being resented.
At least she is consistent. She really did a not all sharks and not all dogs too. Sounds exhausting to be around though. Imagine being umm, actually'd after saying something like "all dogs are cute"
And even the “it depends on the breed” with sharks like no it doesn’t??? Some tend to be more aggressive sure but that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones that bite. 😭😭😭 (especially when you consider most of the time when sharks bite they think you’re food.)
@@thatonegirlgamer3772 nope, it really depends on the breed. Sorry to burst your bubble on that but she's actually right. You could even hear the confidence on that in her words.
@@BleedForTheWorld She was so confident, yet also wrong. There are not many "breeds" of shark. There are many species of shark (some do not have the capability to bite, such as the basking shark). The point I was making, however, is that it is painful to be around someone who, in every conversation, will nitpick everything to avoid any kind of hyperbole Usually, people are selective with this and will not push back on hyperbolic statements such as "dogs are cute" but will on statements like "men don't want wives. They want maids"
@@pocketfluffal2134 there's no need to be pedantic on this. For a group that's apparently leftist, you should know that the point of all language is to get a point across. If you mostly do, you win.
I agree with jovan's pov and I think this content is fun. however, I would be a little skeptical about averages being the norm. the concept of "average" is cultural and not statistical. the "norm" of a set of data is perhaps more accurately represented by the "mode". just a nit pick, I don't think this effects your position but statistics can be misleading and this is one of the ways.
true but this is when applied to sociological concepts. I could also say that sweeping statements are a fallacy in their own right, but the issue at its core isn’t addressed by that. Ultimately, he phrases things this way to engage in the deeper conversation with people that don’t understand.
I think the disconnect might be that the caller is hearing "norm" and thinking of like a statistical mode, not a statistical average. It's possible to have a distribution that's highly clustered at the top and bottom of the range and dips down in the middle, and you'd still have an average in the middle, but most of the values would be at the top and bottom of the range. So I think it depends what you're trying to convey with talking about the societal norm, I could see an argument for referring to either averages or modes
Both the caller and the host could be wrong. If the averages are on average 19mins men vs 49mins women. Claim that most men do less work than most women would be wrong. Maybe 60% of men do 30mins of work and 40% do none, average 19mins but most men do 30mins. Where as 40% of women do 123mins of work and 60% do none, average of 49mins, but most women do no work. This is just an example and the percentages could be wrong as I did the math in my head, but you cannot simplify averages that easily, better to talk about means or modes to be more precise, or tell what shape the work distribution takes and what are the overlaps between the groups etc.
The claim needs to be modified. It makes too many assumptions, and it needs to reflect some sort of necessary condition. "Not all (blank)" is a valid argument against blanket statements. I agree that there are gendered domestic expectations. But Jovan frequently holds people accountable for the language they use in debate settings. A claim needs to be accurate. Also, "average is normal" is wildly fallacious. I generally agree with Jovan, but he can slide into snide dogmatism, which is always embarrassing to see. It's already your show, Jovan, and you are a thoughtful debater, so you don't need to manufacture superiority by appealing to bully humor or dismissing attempts at nuance or deconstruction.
@ "Also, "average is normal" is wildly fallacious" What is fallacious about a true statement?You claimed it was fallacious without stating the fallacy.
Same dogwater argument. Again: men are less likely to be filling out a form crying about household chore division. Even if it is not 50/50, the man is most likely providing 90% if not all resources. Even if the woman earns more, maybe she likes the division of labor. Some people were actually raised on people having roles in a house.
All stats about mental states are dogwater then, because every participant in a study would be the kind of person to fill out a form, making the data invalid because it’s selecting for people who are willing to participate.
Men are not providing 90% of the resources in the majority of cases in the west, but you are correct that they're not accounting for men working more. The left want to sabotage relationships and it's such a shame. You want to build a relationship of co-operation not bickering about every last detail. Both parties should support one another, but the left is all about bringing other people down. It's also better to not want things to be 50/50 because if that's the goal you're going to hyperfocus on what isn't "even" and both parties are going to feel like they're putting in more work. At the end of the day, too many people listen to those who aren't good at human relationships to give relationship advice.
@@frishterfunny how you say "the left is all about bringing people down" when people like yourself ignore the glaring relationship issues on "the right" lmao
@@TheActionHank all of your comments are on videos about feminism/toxic masculinity. I think you need to work through your post-high-school-breakup trauma in a healthier way than this champ
American education has failed so many people. It’s depressing.
Look up the illiteracy rates for gen z. It’s genuinely heartbreaking so many of us can’t even read a menu
The way Jovan looks at the camera out of desperation after she says “we can agree to disagree” 💀💀🤣🤣🤣
I wish I had 1/5 of her confidence to be that wrong and triple down on it.
50 feet isn't that high? 😂
The average roof height is 8 ish feet.
She thinks people wouldn't break their legs falling from a height that is 6 times higher than the typical roof height?
Anything to not admit being wrong 🤣 she’s another type of person who wants the anomalies to be the averages type shit
My son broke his femur falling from our roof at about 14-16ft, lucky not to break his neck. This girl is just delusional 🙄😅
Maybe she's thinking of cats? As for humans, they studied unalive jumpers who lived vs those who didn't. 50 feet is = to about a 5 story building. It was at 5 stories that the impact damage overrode the body's will to live in more cases than not. Some people live from 8+ story jumps, depending on how and where they land, and their physiology. Technically it's possible to jump from 50 feet and break everything but your legs, though the statistics are improbable.
This perfectly encapsulates conversation with fellow Americans. ANYTHING to not concede, ANYTHING to not be wrong. Leave with your tail between your legs if you have to, but NEVER admit that you are not entirely correct on everything to protect that final corner of fragile ego.
Hyper individualism is taught to us at birth. "That's an incredible statistic so it certainly couldn't be me in that scenario".
Caller: "Yes, I know how averages work."
Also Caller: "NOT EVERY MAN..."
I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on "80 to 20%" 🤔
"Agree to disagree" has become the conservative position on every argument they cannot win and it is starting to make me crazy
"From my extremely limited and sheltered perspective, I've only seen good people. Also, fall damage doesn't exist"
Girl, get off your videogame and come back to reality XD
4:15 Species, not breed. Breed isn't a taxonomical category, its a socially constructed category for genetically modified organisms. The caller is suffering from a severe case of dunning-kruger for just about everything
Imagine if we started selectively breeding sharks that don’t bite
@@CharlieApplesLike a cross between an angel shark and a nurse shark? 🤔
Yeah, lol, that pissed me off 😭 You cannot make this up
4:55 “it doesn’t apply to everyone”
The number of men who do behave like this overshadows the number that don’t. That’s the point. There aren’t enough “good” men to cancel out or ignore the “bad” ones (to put it simply). The effect of the “bad” ones is too great.
There absolutely are enough good men. There are 2 reasons why someone may not be able to get a good man. Either poor choices (possibly replicating their household situation growing up), or because the good men are trying to find good women. Find which one applies to you and you'll likely find someone.
@@frishter ah, so in either of the two reasons, the woman is at fault. In reason 1, she "made poor choices", and in reason 2, she is implied to not be a good woman since good men are not already with her. I wonder what someone would call this kind of thinking. Misogyny, perhaps?
@@frishter As a fellow guy, come the f*ck on.
Most guys suck in a variety of ways - maybe you need to start dating dudes to realize.
Daddy issues aren't hot in real life, and too many guys struggle with opening up emotionally even after you've blown them harder than the big bad wolf.
@@quinn7427 Correct. Now you're getting it. If you get yourself in a bad situation, then you're not necessarily to blame. But if you keep getting yourself into a bad situation, then there's often something else at play. Interesting how you blame misogyny when OP outright claims there isn't enough good men. Clearly you're not actually interested in sex based discrimination.
@@PoliticalAndTheologicalStudy Men would be more likely to open up emotionally if their emotions weren't used against them. Every time they do talk about their feelings, they're invalidated. It's bad advice to give only put out to break them. Both men and women have their perks and flaws. If women were as faultless as they made out, lesbian relationships wouldn't have high rates of domestic violence. We've beaten on men for too long. If you want a functional society, we need to build them back up. Too many have low self worth because of leftism. If they are to carry the weight of the world's problems, they at least need the recognition and strength to hold it. For many that is enough. Too many are just peacing out because they see no point in a life of hardship when they just end up being resented.
At least she is consistent. She really did a not all sharks and not all dogs too. Sounds exhausting to be around though. Imagine being umm, actually'd after saying something like "all dogs are cute"
And even the “it depends on the breed” with sharks like no it doesn’t??? Some tend to be more aggressive sure but that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones that bite. 😭😭😭 (especially when you consider most of the time when sharks bite they think you’re food.)
@@thatonegirlgamer3772 nope, it really depends on the breed. Sorry to burst your bubble on that but she's actually right. You could even hear the confidence on that in her words.
@@BleedForTheWorld She was so confident, yet also wrong. There are not many "breeds" of shark. There are many species of shark (some do not have the capability to bite, such as the basking shark). The point I was making, however, is that it is painful to be around someone who, in every conversation, will nitpick everything to avoid any kind of hyperbole
Usually, people are selective with this and will not push back on hyperbolic statements such as "dogs are cute" but will on statements like "men don't want wives. They want maids"
@@BleedForTheWorldConfidence does not equate correctness.
@@pocketfluffal2134 there's no need to be pedantic on this. For a group that's apparently leftist, you should know that the point of all language is to get a point across. If you mostly do, you win.
50 FEET IS NOT THAT HIGH????
"Do you know how high fifty ft is?"
The valley girl accent is wild
Jovan I DO NOT know how you stay calm with people this infuriating
“50 feet isn’t that high” girl 😭
Well if she doesn't believe it, it must be false
Damn I lost braincells
"W fish, L fish
Or fish, Whatever fish"
-Dr. theakkiqueen4655
I feel like this is one of the girls who would rather fight a lion once a year over a chicken every time you get in a car
I'd bet money it was a "prank call".
"50 feet isnt that high". ??????????????
She clearly doesn't get out much
well she *is* 19 haha
I agree with jovan's pov and I think this content is fun. however, I would be a little skeptical about averages being the norm. the concept of "average" is cultural and not statistical. the "norm" of a set of data is perhaps more accurately represented by the "mode". just a nit pick, I don't think this effects your position but statistics can be misleading and this is one of the ways.
Mathematically speaking, averages and norms are two different things.
true but this is when applied to sociological concepts. I could also say that sweeping statements are a fallacy in their own right, but the issue at its core isn’t addressed by that. Ultimately, he phrases things this way to engage in the deeper conversation with people that don’t understand.
I think the disconnect might be that the caller is hearing "norm" and thinking of like a statistical mode, not a statistical average. It's possible to have a distribution that's highly clustered at the top and bottom of the range and dips down in the middle, and you'd still have an average in the middle, but most of the values would be at the top and bottom of the range. So I think it depends what you're trying to convey with talking about the societal norm, I could see an argument for referring to either averages or modes
yayyy new Jovan video, slayyy
Wtf is she talking about? Jews and muslims getting attacked?
It was a previous call to this one
Pick up on context clues my guy. She was clearly talking about the last call.
@@Maker0824 no need to be rude. Jovan already explained
Jesus, this was painful.
Did this work? Did the caller get picked?
Wow you guys, she isn’t like other girls 😮
Both the caller and the host could be wrong. If the averages are on average 19mins men vs 49mins women. Claim that most men do less work than most women would be wrong. Maybe 60% of men do 30mins of work and 40% do none, average 19mins but most men do 30mins. Where as 40% of women do 123mins of work and 60% do none, average of 49mins, but most women do no work.
This is just an example and the percentages could be wrong as I did the math in my head, but you cannot simplify averages that easily, better to talk about means or modes to be more precise, or tell what shape the work distribution takes and what are the overlaps between the groups etc.
Tried joining your Discord thru the link, but it dose not work.
2:05 Yes, the police have helicopters
while i agree with your statement. averages is often an unreliable metric. outliers such as stay a home mothers will increase the averages for women.
We can fix her
The claim needs to be modified. It makes too many assumptions, and it needs to reflect some sort of necessary condition. "Not all (blank)" is a valid argument against blanket statements. I agree that there are gendered domestic expectations. But Jovan frequently holds people accountable for the language they use in debate settings. A claim needs to be accurate. Also, "average is normal" is wildly fallacious. I generally agree with Jovan, but he can slide into snide dogmatism, which is always embarrassing to see. It's already your show, Jovan, and you are a thoughtful debater, so you don't need to manufacture superiority by appealing to bully humor or dismissing attempts at nuance or deconstruction.
Normal has many meanings, including "approximating the statistical average or "norm".
@asdf2098 I think you're making a counter argument, but yes, that is precisely the point.
what would you have argued? just curious because i want to get better at arguing my points.
@ "Also, "average is normal" is wildly fallacious"
What is fallacious about a true statement?You claimed it was fallacious without stating the fallacy.
@@asdf2098 you did it for me. But in any case, it wasn't really the crux of the comment.
Very ignorant caller.
ain’t no way
Obviously a troll
It’s a shame, her voice is nice and should be speaking better rhetoric ☹️
Wow
This reminded me so much of this video made by a Starbucks barista, it’s uncanny: ua-cam.com/users/shortsoDlbCQSM2A8
I mean the point is true
Didn’t this guy get caught in one of those child sting things?
Same dogwater argument.
Again: men are less likely to be filling out a form crying about household chore division.
Even if it is not 50/50, the man is most likely providing 90% if not all resources.
Even if the woman earns more, maybe she likes the division of labor. Some people were actually raised on people having roles in a house.
All stats about mental states are dogwater then, because every participant in a study would be the kind of person to fill out a form, making the data invalid because it’s selecting for people who are willing to participate.
Men are not providing 90% of the resources in the majority of cases in the west, but you are correct that they're not accounting for men working more. The left want to sabotage relationships and it's such a shame. You want to build a relationship of co-operation not bickering about every last detail. Both parties should support one another, but the left is all about bringing other people down. It's also better to not want things to be 50/50 because if that's the goal you're going to hyperfocus on what isn't "even" and both parties are going to feel like they're putting in more work.
At the end of the day, too many people listen to those who aren't good at human relationships to give relationship advice.
i like how your "counter arguement" is to get offended and make up wild speculation
@@frishterfunny how you say "the left is all about bringing people down" when people like yourself ignore the glaring relationship issues on "the right" lmao
@@TheActionHank all of your comments are on videos about feminism/toxic masculinity. I think you need to work through your post-high-school-breakup trauma in a healthier way than this champ