@@Sameq6798 Now that I'm looking at this again 11 months later I agree. The neck looks so compressed which makes the saddle look like it's too forward. If the horse was allowed to lengthen it would look much better
@@ThePoisoinedRose lol I think you misread it. Ik that it's abuse, I wasn't saying otherwise, I was saying that the constant tail swishing is a sign of rollkur. Yes, tail swishing means that they're annoyed, I'm not going to look at a random horse swishing it's tail and go "THATS ROLLKUR" but the constant tail swishing (key word is constant) is a sign of rollkur
And to think, this is the olympics. The top of the top, the best of the best....so very sad that the horse pays the price for the ego and greed of the rider.
@@julie99nl that's why I don't like commercial riding sport.. the fact that no one is stopping this is enough... in this factory horses are the slaves for dressage instead of dressage is there to be of use for the horse.
One can argue hyperflexion or rolker neither should be accepted in the ring. It does more damage to the horse biomecanically and is absolutely ugly and difficult to watch. It goes against the fei rules yet is totally acceptable by the judges. This is not classical dressage. This is modern dressage, twisted and molded by those with plenty of money in the European countries. Sad reflection of corruption at the highest levels with no regard to equine welfare. Blame the judges to start, but it goes to the big corporate breeders and money makers. Sad for the equine.
The pain this poor hors3 must go tgrough is unimaginable. How did the judges say its ok just because there was no blood doesnt mean there was no pain. You omly have to look at his mouth and her hanging on the reins. Quite horrific,😡
How she's brutally grabbing on to the reins and holding on to it like a newbie.. but with the equipment of a professional. It just hurts in my heart to watch this, what a human being can do or watch this without noticing or doing anything to stop this..?! I hate commercial riding sport...!
I am in pain watching this horse. Saddle is way too far forward his mouth is open and distorted from pain while she contorts his neck into a miserable position. And this is only at competition, imagine what she does in training.
Wie kann man nur... Das arme Tier, nach dem ganzen Eklat um annika schleu ,wo so getan wurde als ob dies ein Einzelfall sei ! Dabei ist sowas doch nach wie vor gang und gäbe.
This is disgusting, what has the art of horse riding come to, the whole point of training horses was to have a bond and to be at peace with your horse and harmony, now they are seen nothing more than money and ribbon machines to a lot of people, I wish I could save dressage, but I think it's been long gone beyond saving at this point.
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
Yes, it's in the description. Aleksandra Maksakova representing Russia. This was at the Tokyo summer olympics 2021. Nothing happened, she scored the lowest of her team. She should have been disqualified.
rollkur is not okay in any sense. the saddle is way to far up on the horses back, it it literally siting on the horses shoulders and withers which WILL cause to back pain, and the horse has a pain face. if you are a senceable human being, you can see this this is ABSOLUTELY NOT okay.
I will never understand why dressage is viewed differently from dancing bears in a circus. It is the most unnatural thing to force a horse to do. And the misery and agony it causes the horses is nothing short of torture. And what you see here is just a glimpse of the surface. What goes on behind closed doors to get the horses to this point is grotesque. The sad thing is most equestrians support this. Even the ones that claim to love horses, and actually, probably do love horses, defend this. And many will jump to defend this if anyone calls this out as cruelty. It makes no sense to love horses, yet let this happen to them.
Competitive dressage is nothing but a popularity/beauty contest. There used to be a purpose to the training to give the horse a better fitness and functionality. But, human greed got involved and now it's just a dysfunctional, sickening mess.
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
Exactly. Mabey the title is supposed to be read with ironically, but still I feel like that would still be a very weird way to describe a video in which horse abuse is shown.
This is not a sport geared towards animal health and longevity. It is simply a beauty contest like most other show horses are. Dressage is no different than western pleasure, big lick horses, or halter horses. The aim of all breed shows is to get a young animal, train him to a level of ridiculous that the animal cannot sustain, break him down so the owner has to buy another expensive horse, and the poor show horse goes to the kill pen. This is a fact, not my supposition.
It is absolutely in pain. But, the Olympics did not care enough about the horse to disqualify or otherwise sanction this rider. The Olympics and FEI by doing nothing for the welfare of the horse effectively said "it's OK to torture your horse on the world stage, because we will turn the other way"
They made her change her bit as she had a plastic one and they said it was agains FEI rules when in fact it actually wasn’t so the horse didn’t like the metal bit and she was trying to pull him up as he was pulling into himself. I get it doesn’t look good but get your facts straight before you slag another rider off
Damn Russia really suffering if they let a rider who can’t adjust to situations represent them in the arena. No excuses for this blatant display of abuse. A redditor is trying to say the same spiel as you about the bit and also “it was hot and she had an injury” like okay so then it’s totally fine to abuse the animal nbd 🤦🏼♀️ Get over it! Though if you rode like this you might just fly right into it
Hilarious! If she really gave a shite about her horse, she would have withdrawn. Instead she went on the world stage and spurred and pulled until his mouth was gaping open. Look at 0:07 the spur is on, you can clearly see the indentation in the horse's flesh, and at the same time the mouth is GAPING open and the chin is nearly hitting his neck, AND she is leaning backwards to add more pressure! You can make excuses all you want, but she should have withdrawn or she should have been disqualified. This is NOT olympic riding, this is animal abuse at the olympics.
@@julie99nl You purposely posted a shitty framed clip of a of a crappy situation for what purpose? Do you know this rider or do you follow her career? This is a 30 second clip out of a 5 minute test excluding showing lap. Set in a high pressure situation where horse and rider had extremely limited time to acclimate. Cause covid etc etc. Plus both bits that she & crew thought was FEI qualified got rejected 3 days before the start. Her plastic snaffle and silicon curb where rejected by the FEI, which made her ride with 2 metal bits. Which is a fuck tone sharper than plastic/silicon combo. 2 months after the Olympics the FEI confirmed that they made an error by rejecting the bit. This isn't rollcure or abuse, this is a shitty situation. Could this have been handeld differently? Most likely. Experience is a great educator. She learnt from this and gave no blame to the horse. This horse isn't ridden or trained with draw reigns. As some have assumed. The horse has a very round/plump structure. The horse is approximately 170cm, with a petite saddle & rider. If you follow the elbow line upwards it does not cut into the knee flap. The neck makes it seem like the saddle is to far forward. The neck also fills in a lot of space when bent in comparison to Charlotte's horse Rio. The noseband is fitted lose enough that the horse can move it's jaw and avoid contact. The horse is moving his mouth to adjust to the bit, and is actively putting it's weight into the bit. She keeps giving leg to ride him out of the bit, while holding him up to minimise any rolcure effect. Her spurs don't "dig into the flesh" any further than Steffen Peters sidestepping on Suppenkasper, who is very relaxed with his aids. You would have seen that there was a built up towards the last line in which this happened, which you failed to show. 95% of these comments are assumptions by sidelines watchers with an know it all attitude, on an unfortunately filmed and placed video. You as poster of the video aren't any better, you're worse. This is ridiculously close to slander, if it isn't already. If you saw clips of Charlotte's horse freaking out people wouldn't say a thing. But here a 30 second clip says all? If you really gave a shite about animal welfare and sportsmanship maybe you would post about the amount of injuries & stress caused by lack of turn out etc.
@@birdysayhi I remember when Anky would get this criticism. Oh and what was the general response then? It's a single frame in a whole test, a moment in time. How many frames does it take before it's accepted as absolutely shit riding? This kind of bad riding on the Olympic stage is what will get equine sports out of the Olympics. Laymen watch and they know it's cruel and ugly.
Aleksandra is a pretty decent rider, genuinely want to know what went wrong here, Olympics were a mess for her I’ve never seen any of her horses stress before this
Maybe she went to the Helgstrand school of riding. By the looks of this video, she didn't just suddenly learn to hang on the horses mouth when she turned down centerline, this is well practiced. She looks like she's using a rowing machine!
@@olivia_q I insist : this is not. Most of the people who did comment this video are confusing standard resistance against the coercition of the movement by strength. No advanced riders would use rollkür while competing: judges would not accept it. It is a training and warm-up technique, heavily monitored during competitions. All of you who did comment need better equitation training. Horse resistance to demands of a rider happen to beginners as well as to top level riders. It is impossible to avoid resistance on any living person or animal. Sometimes it works in the warm-up and not in front of the judges. It works perfectly at home, and suddenly the horse resists at the same demand. It is a living animal, and it is the harmony and understanding of each other that riders try to achieve. Sometimes it is not working at all. But definitely in competition, in front of judges and the public, IT IS NOT ROLLKÜR.
@@HorseAmateur I'm sorry but you are the one misunderstanding the definition. Standard resistance should very light, very very very light, so light that the reins can still be loose. Here the horse has all it's weight in the riders hand, the legs hold a very small percentage of the animals weight, it just pushes into the riders hand (pushing forward and down, rather then the powers going up). It is Rollkür, and it is the absolute worst, it is NEVER to be used. Why teach a horse to push all its weight into your hands, when you could teach it to hold itself? Have you ever seen a human gymnast on the Olympics with their trainer holding their hands on the beam? And also, as others have already stated, it causes so much damage to the horse. Do you think, for starters, that poor soul there can breathe properly for instance? Or that this is good for their muscles? And the way I saw, it was the absolute worst try of a piaffe.... The legs were behind the horse, instead of carrying the weight, the head moving down, the rider constantly giving more leg, while holding back the horse with full power. What is wrong with that you ask? The point of a piaffe is that the horse is powerful enough that the hind legs move under the belly, the head and the shoulders raise up as the weight shifts backwards, and as a consequence the forward movement of the body instead is being directed upwards, so we get a horse doing a "trot in place". It is awful, no excuses for that. Not even the lack of knowledge, because at this "level" this shouldn't be a controversial topic, it shoould be banned.
@@HorseAmateur This is abuse and if you dont see it, do better. People at this "level" would and DO use this "training" technique, and even if you don't see dra a reins tied to tightly, or a rope tied around the horses neck in its mouth, or anything other disgusting methods, the point of it is for the horse to learn hoplessness or helplessness. this means that the horse learns to give into whatever it is being asked to do accept it is don't through forcefully and harmful ways. If you can't wrap your incompatnt mind around that,, I don't know what to tell you.. DO BETTER.
@@olivia_q Do you know this person or follow her riding on any platform? This is a 30 second clip out of a nearly 10 minute test. Set in a high pressure situation where horse and rider had extremely limited time to acclimate. Cause covid. Plus the curb bit that she & crew thought was FEI qualified got rejected 3 days before the start. Her curb bit is a lot softer than the softest one that is FEI qualified. This isn't rollcure this is a shitty situation. Could this have been handeld differently? Most likely. Experience is a great educator. She learnt from this and gave no blame to the horse. This horse isn't ridden or trained with draw reigns. The horse has a very round/plump structure. The horse is approximately 170cm, with a petite saddle & rider. If you follow the elbow line upwards it does not cut into the knee flap. The neck makes it seem like the saddle is to far forward. 95% of these comments are assumptions by sidelines watchers with an know it all attitude, on an unfortunately filmed and placed video. Like if you saw clips of Charlotte's horse freaking out people wouldn't say a thing. But here a 30 second clip says all?
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
Absolutely disgusting. She should've been disqualified for that display of animal cruelty.
Exactly it’s so sad😢
I agree with you poor horses having to go through that
That’s pretty long time to realize your horse can’t breathe. I would say she remains off horses forever.
It’s actually really sad how they pat their horse after.. do you know what you just did to your horse?
Also the saddle is way too far forward, literally right on top of the horse's withers and shoulders. That horse is in SO MUCH pain...
YES. AND RUE PEOPLE DONT UNDRESTAND THAT.
No it wasn’t too far forward it did look like it bc the way the horses neck was
@@Sameq6798 Now that I'm looking at this again 11 months later I agree. The neck looks so compressed which makes the saddle look like it's too forward. If the horse was allowed to lengthen it would look much better
@@poniesatemypencils it was this person's first Olympics under less than ideal settings. Not to mention the extreme difference between climate etc.
Die hätte disqualifiziert werden müssen, weil das Pferd das maul fast permanent geöffnet und offensichtlich Schmerzen hatte
Rollkur is a horribel torture
This is another level of rollkur which deserves an own name.. maybe "mouthopenkur" can describe it...
@@MedusasPenalty Yes I know what you mean. This was simply horrific. It looks so sick. I cannot watch this really.
The constant tail swishing is a good way of telling if a horse has been trained through rollkur, as well as the saddle positioning.m
Abuse it’s abuse idk what ur Saying but it’s abuse swishing tail means it’s annoyed
@@ThePoisoinedRose lol I think you misread it. Ik that it's abuse, I wasn't saying otherwise, I was saying that the constant tail swishing is a sign of rollkur. Yes, tail swishing means that they're annoyed, I'm not going to look at a random horse swishing it's tail and go "THATS ROLLKUR"
but the constant tail swishing (key word is constant) is a sign of rollkur
i feel like the head mouth and the way he’s being yanked is a clearer sign than the tail
I am confused because so many things wrong in this videos but at the end, the rider congratulated the horse and gave him a hug??????
Its all a mask....... To show the judges that they 'care'
That is one of the most horrific rides I have ever seen!
And to think, this is the olympics. The top of the top, the best of the best....so very sad that the horse pays the price for the ego and greed of the rider.
@@julie99nl that's why I don't like commercial riding sport.. the fact that no one is stopping this is enough... in this factory horses are the slaves for dressage instead of dressage is there to be of use for the horse.
this is animal abuse and should not be allowed in horse shows!
All of it is animal abuse!
It's not necessary in the modern age.
Only European nations harm animals for sport.
Interested to know what score she got
Forcing a horses head down like that is extremely painful it also makes the horse foam at the mouth
Einfach nur furchtbar. Das hätte disqualifiziert werden müssen!
One can argue hyperflexion or rolker neither should be accepted in the ring. It does more damage to the horse biomecanically and is absolutely ugly and difficult to watch. It goes against the fei rules yet is totally acceptable by the judges. This is not classical dressage. This is modern dressage, twisted and molded by those with plenty of money in the European countries. Sad reflection of corruption at the highest levels with no regard to equine welfare. Blame the judges to start, but it goes to the big corporate breeders and money makers. Sad for the equine.
The pain this poor hors3 must go tgrough is unimaginable. How did the judges say its ok just because there was no blood doesnt mean there was no pain. You omly have to look at his mouth and her hanging on the reins. Quite horrific,😡
How she's brutally grabbing on to the reins and holding on to it like a newbie.. but with the equipment of a professional. It just hurts in my heart to watch this, what a human being can do or watch this without noticing or doing anything to stop this..?! I hate commercial riding sport...!
That horse is just strait up great 👍🏻. The rider is rulking the horse and the saddle way to far up and the position of the rider is horrible as well
Horrific
This is painful to even watch. She should be in prison.
I am in pain watching this horse. Saddle is way too far forward his mouth is open and distorted from pain while she contorts his neck into a miserable position. And this is only at competition, imagine what she does in training.
How the hell did she make it this far? She is using rolkur and what is her lower leg? I can do better then that and I’m pretyy bad
What in the world. That isn’t even really rollkur, that’s just mostly RIPPING the bit and that saddle positioning hurts my eyes, poor, poor horse!
Mir wird schlecht
ROLKUR WILL NEVER BE OKAY! WTF?
Wie kann man nur...
Das arme Tier, nach dem ganzen Eklat um annika schleu ,wo so getan wurde als ob dies ein Einzelfall sei !
Dabei ist sowas doch nach wie vor gang und gäbe.
If you are pulling so hard on the reins that your horse cannot close his mouth, you’re doing something wrong.
Cruel, cruel, cruel!
This is disgusting, what has the art of horse riding come to, the whole point of training horses was to have a bond and to be at peace with your horse and harmony, now they are seen nothing more than money and ribbon machines to a lot of people, I wish I could save dressage, but I think it's been long gone beyond saving at this point.
“ Perfectly OK “ What the heck were you thinking? its NOT OK. The horse is clearly In pain.
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
No rider should have to kick during every step of piaffe , the rollkur is disgusting enough, if I was the judge instant disqualification.
Poor poor poor horse the rider should feel the same pain as the horse also the saddle is to much forward
well. I do not ride horses but I know that this is clear abuse. Rollkur is not good.
does anyone know the name of the rider, when this was and what happened afterwards?
Yes, it's in the description. Aleksandra Maksakova representing Russia. This was at the Tokyo summer olympics 2021. Nothing happened, she scored the lowest of her team. She should have been disqualified.
Aleksandra Maksakova
People who think rollkur is ok are disgusting 🤢
Abuse abuse abuse....by this rider...this is disgraceful riding
Worst thing i have seen today, thank you❤
disgusting. rollkur is never ok
i ona sie dziwi ze on nie chce isc
abouse shes pulling way to hard on the rains and its really ovyes that horse has rolker
rollkur is not okay in any sense. the saddle is way to far up on the horses back, it it literally siting on the horses shoulders and withers which WILL cause to back pain, and the horse has a pain face. if you are a senceable human being, you can see this this is ABSOLUTELY NOT okay.
I will never understand why dressage is viewed differently from dancing bears in a circus. It is the most unnatural thing to force a horse to do. And the misery and agony it causes the horses is nothing short of torture. And what you see here is just a glimpse of the surface. What goes on behind closed doors to get the horses to this point is grotesque. The sad thing is most equestrians support this. Even the ones that claim to love horses, and actually, probably do love horses, defend this. And many will jump to defend this if anyone calls this out as cruelty. It makes no sense to love horses, yet let this happen to them.
Competitive dressage is nothing but a popularity/beauty contest. There used to be a purpose to the training to give the horse a better fitness and functionality. But, human greed got involved and now it's just a dysfunctional, sickening mess.
@@julie99nl well said
Is there no Judge ?? Has he Eyes ? Horses Mouth hurts, Mouth open the whole Time...
Terrible Rider, dumb Judge, Fantastic Horse
THE END : not rollkur non-abuse
Poor animal
OMG! Can this terrible rider yank any harder on that poor horse's face???
How is this perfectly ok. Poor horse
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
No rolkur is “OK”
Exactly. Mabey the title is supposed to be read with ironically, but still I feel like that would still be a very weird way to describe a video in which horse abuse is shown.
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This is not a sport geared towards animal health and longevity. It is simply a beauty contest like most other show horses are. Dressage is no different than western pleasure, big lick horses, or halter horses.
The aim of all breed shows is to get a young animal, train him to a level of ridiculous that the animal cannot sustain, break him down so the owner has to buy another expensive horse, and the poor show horse goes to the kill pen.
This is a fact, not my supposition.
Look at his mouth ,terrible. Why was she not stopped. ,another fabulous ,ruined, to spend his competing 8n such pain. Shame on you. X
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No it not ok they put the horses head not in a good position then comes to pain, that soo discusting
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place
Um, no it's not ok, that is so clearly animal abuse. The poor horse looks like it's in pain.
It is absolutely in pain. But, the Olympics did not care enough about the horse to disqualify or otherwise sanction this rider. The Olympics and FEI by doing nothing for the welfare of the horse effectively said "it's OK to torture your horse on the world stage, because we will turn the other way"
@@julie99nl Thank you for clearing things up, I thought you supported rollkur-
If your really that dump it hurts and the staffer
They made her change her bit as she had a plastic one and they said it was agains FEI rules when in fact it actually wasn’t so the horse didn’t like the metal bit and she was trying to pull him up as he was pulling into himself. I get it doesn’t look good but get your facts straight before you slag another rider off
Damn Russia really suffering if they let a rider who can’t adjust to situations represent them in the arena.
No excuses for this blatant display of abuse. A redditor is trying to say the same spiel as you about the bit and also “it was hot and she had an injury” like okay so then it’s totally fine to abuse the animal nbd 🤦🏼♀️
Get over it! Though if you rode like this you might just fly right into it
Hilarious! If she really gave a shite about her horse, she would have withdrawn. Instead she went on the world stage and spurred and pulled until his mouth was gaping open. Look at 0:07 the spur is on, you can clearly see the indentation in the horse's flesh, and at the same time the mouth is GAPING open and the chin is nearly hitting his neck, AND she is leaning backwards to add more pressure!
You can make excuses all you want, but she should have withdrawn or she should have been disqualified. This is NOT olympic riding, this is animal abuse at the olympics.
Sorry, there is no excuse for the awful riding in this video, especially when in front of the world during the Olympics.
@@julie99nl You purposely posted a shitty framed clip of a of a crappy situation for what purpose?
Do you know this rider or do you follow her career?
This is a 30 second clip out of a 5 minute test excluding showing lap. Set in a high pressure situation where horse and rider had extremely limited time to acclimate. Cause covid etc etc. Plus both bits that she & crew thought was FEI qualified got rejected 3 days before the start. Her plastic snaffle and silicon curb where rejected by the FEI, which made her ride with 2 metal bits. Which is a fuck tone sharper than plastic/silicon combo. 2 months after the Olympics the FEI confirmed that they made an error by rejecting the bit.
This isn't rollcure or abuse, this is a shitty situation. Could this have been handeld differently? Most likely. Experience is a great educator. She learnt from this and gave no blame to the horse.
This horse isn't ridden or trained with draw reigns. As some have assumed.
The horse has a very round/plump structure. The horse is approximately 170cm, with a petite saddle & rider. If you follow the elbow line upwards it does not cut into the knee flap. The neck makes it seem like the saddle is to far forward. The neck also fills in a lot of space when bent in comparison to Charlotte's horse Rio.
The noseband is fitted lose enough that the horse can move it's jaw and avoid contact. The horse is moving his mouth to adjust to the bit, and is actively putting it's weight into the bit. She keeps giving leg to ride him out of the bit, while holding him up to minimise any rolcure effect. Her spurs don't "dig into the flesh" any further than Steffen Peters sidestepping on Suppenkasper, who is very relaxed with his aids.
You would have seen that there was a built up towards the last line in which this happened, which you failed to show.
95% of these comments are assumptions by sidelines watchers with an know it all attitude, on an unfortunately filmed and placed video. You as poster of the video aren't any better, you're worse. This is ridiculously close to slander, if it isn't already.
If you saw clips of Charlotte's horse freaking out people wouldn't say a thing. But here a 30 second clip says all?
If you really gave a shite about animal welfare and sportsmanship maybe you would post about the amount of injuries & stress caused by lack of turn out etc.
@@birdysayhi I remember when Anky would get this criticism. Oh and what was the general response then? It's a single frame in a whole test, a moment in time. How many frames does it take before it's accepted as absolutely shit riding?
This kind of bad riding on the Olympic stage is what will get equine sports out of the Olympics. Laymen watch and they know it's cruel and ugly.
Terribile!!!
Aleksandra is a pretty decent rider, genuinely want to know what went wrong here, Olympics were a mess for her I’ve never seen any of her horses stress before this
Maybe she went to the Helgstrand school of riding. By the looks of this video, she didn't just suddenly learn to hang on the horses mouth when she turned down centerline, this is well practiced. She looks like she's using a rowing machine!
@@julie99nl I full agree, this riding style happened not from one moment to the next. It is well practiced over years. The poor horse does his best.
🤣🤣❤❤ hermoso
Many russian riders are so hard and brutal... poor, poor horses!!
This is not rollkur. Just very bad riding.
this is hyper flexsation of the horse's neck, definition of rollkur, and the saddle placement is god awful as well as the riding.
@@olivia_q I insist : this is not. Most of the people who did comment this video are confusing standard resistance against the coercition of the movement by strength. No advanced riders would use rollkür while competing: judges would not accept it. It is a training and warm-up technique, heavily monitored during competitions. All of you who did comment need better equitation training. Horse resistance to demands of a rider happen to beginners as well as to top level riders. It is impossible to avoid resistance on any living person or animal. Sometimes it works in the warm-up and not in front of the judges. It works perfectly at home, and suddenly the horse resists at the same demand. It is a living animal, and it is the harmony and understanding of each other that riders try to achieve. Sometimes it is not working at all. But definitely in competition, in front of judges and the public, IT IS NOT ROLLKÜR.
@@HorseAmateur I'm sorry but you are the one misunderstanding the definition. Standard resistance should very light, very very very light, so light that the reins can still be loose. Here the horse has all it's weight in the riders hand, the legs hold a very small percentage of the animals weight, it just pushes into the riders hand (pushing forward and down, rather then the powers going up). It is Rollkür, and it is the absolute worst, it is NEVER to be used. Why teach a horse to push all its weight into your hands, when you could teach it to hold itself? Have you ever seen a human gymnast on the Olympics with their trainer holding their hands on the beam?
And also, as others have already stated, it causes so much damage to the horse. Do you think, for starters, that poor soul there can breathe properly for instance? Or that this is good for their muscles? And the way I saw, it was the absolute worst try of a piaffe.... The legs were behind the horse, instead of carrying the weight, the head moving down, the rider constantly giving more leg, while holding back the horse with full power.
What is wrong with that you ask? The point of a piaffe is that the horse is powerful enough that the hind legs move under the belly, the head and the shoulders raise up as the weight shifts backwards, and as a consequence the forward movement of the body instead is being directed upwards, so we get a horse doing a "trot in place".
It is awful, no excuses for that. Not even the lack of knowledge, because at this "level" this shouldn't be a controversial topic, it shoould be banned.
@@HorseAmateur This is abuse and if you dont see it, do better. People at this "level" would and DO use this "training" technique, and even if you don't see dra a reins tied to tightly, or a rope tied around the horses neck in its mouth, or anything other disgusting methods, the point of it is for the horse to learn hoplessness or helplessness. this means that the horse learns to give into whatever it is being asked to do accept it is don't through forcefully and harmful ways. If you can't wrap your incompatnt mind around that,, I don't know what to tell you.. DO BETTER.
@@olivia_q Do you know this person or follow her riding on any platform?
This is a 30 second clip out of a nearly 10 minute test. Set in a high pressure situation where horse and rider had extremely limited time to acclimate. Cause covid. Plus the curb bit that she & crew thought was FEI qualified got rejected 3 days before the start. Her curb bit is a lot softer than the softest one that is FEI qualified.
This isn't rollcure this is a shitty situation. Could this have been handeld differently? Most likely. Experience is a great educator. She learnt from this and gave no blame to the horse.
This horse isn't ridden or trained with draw reigns.
The horse has a very round/plump structure. The horse is approximately 170cm, with a petite saddle & rider. If you follow the elbow line upwards it does not cut into the knee flap. The neck makes it seem like the saddle is to far forward.
95% of these comments are assumptions by sidelines watchers with an know it all attitude, on an unfortunately filmed and placed video.
Like if you saw clips of Charlotte's horse freaking out people wouldn't say a thing. But here a 30 second clip says all?
NO IT IS NOT
it was sarcasm to show how little the judges care. obviously the person who posted it doesn't think it's okay, hence the video being posted in the first place.
@@crys227 I know I am talking in general