The GEPARD gets a HUGE UPGRADE, except... - Gepard 1A2 in War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2023
- In this video we play the Gepard 1A2. The Gepard gets a huge upgrade with the addition of Stinger Missiles but a pretty huge BR hike to 9.7!
Oh, and instead of the classic intro. I hope you enjoy the bloopers from the Gepard 1A2 gameplay in War Thunder! :)
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Never spaa is the best
Perhaps nah, maybe later.
" I dont have enough skill " - Proceeds to shoot down a prop with an keyboard guided ATGM.
Do you have to activate that tracking radar or is it automatically?
@@leotruuut245 the radar or the tracking? Radar is on automatically but you can turn it off default to alt+r I think, to track targets it's alt+f I think, they can also be toggled by pressing Y-1-(something else I forgot)
Stingers IRL: 💪
Stingers in WT: 🛌
omg wassup spookyspook cutie patootie
@@aaro_Wjust why
omg wassup spookyspook cutie patootie
also iglas
“Bane of SuperSonic aircraft”
Subsonic SU-25: you have no power here
Damage model on the Su25-K is genuinely broken. It should not be able to just shrug off direct hits like that but regularly does.
Yeah, grinded the past event with the Su-25 and I know those SAMs of the intro aren't enough to bring one down
Someone needs to show them some secrut dokuments from Ukraine...
A-10 is shit in every way, has more armor IRL and yet dies when touched by anything and has severe artificial ordnance nerfs. SU-25 on the other hand has none of those issues, has less armor, and yet can survive being hit by Rolands.
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 A-10 has drastically less armor compared to the Su-25. The Warthog itself has the titanium bathtub for the pilot whilst the rest of the aircraft generally relies on the control surfaces working in most conditions and the airframe being able to fly on one engine. The Su-25 has its own bathtub armor for the pilot AND varying levels of armor all around the fuselage (generally like 8-15mm, some areas have thinner or thicker armor). I won't deny that the Su-25 is stupid survivable, it should be able to take some hits from MANPADS but not air-to-air missiles, it used to be worse on the release day, nowadays the tail section loves to completely fall off or the plane loses a lot of control, so most eventually still fall out of the sky after a minute or two.
they might fix it when they either balance maps, fix bombers, add a new mode, or decompress again.
Funny how IR MANPAD missile systems used in these sorts of SPAA and designed with ECCM and other features specifically to fight against Heli's are completely unable to lock them at a reasonable range, it's like the Helicopter grind is so ridiculously impossible that anyone who has any heli has likely paid Gaijin real money and would be upset if they couldn't club with it.
Nailed it
Actually pretty realistic. The maximum effective range of most MANPADS is very short. they're not supposed to be a ground forces primary anti-air defence anymore than 30mm cannons are. they're an addon that forces nemies to engage from further out which is significantly more expensive to do and may force them to operate at higher altitudes tog et a good sensor picture which exposes them to systems like the patriot batteries, (or their other equivalents like the russian S-300 and S-400 systems).
It's also one of the two major reasons the Sergeant York was cancelled IRl before it entered service. Existing US and Warsaw Pact aircraft, (like the SU-25 or the A-10) had a greater maximum effective rnage with their weapon systems than the rnage of the 40mm cannons it was equipped with.
@@darthkarl99 that and the many issues the York had such as locking on a crowd of people observing it during demonstrations lmao
@@darthkarl99 Stinger effectiv range is 0,2km to 6km.
@@michaeld.uchiha9084 Thats significantly less than many guided munitions, some unguided delivery methods are greater ranged too.
Thats also the limits of it's propulsion performance, not necessarily the rnage at which the seeker cna lock.
A reminder for people using heaters: Once you lock on, ELEVATE your aim before firing. This prevents the missile from hitting terrain or buildings, and the missile often performs better when it arcs up and then down on the target rather than trying to fire straight at it.
Honestly the missile should do this automatically, stingers are much better IRL than it is in-game, should definetly be buffed
This used to drive me crazy with the RakJPz's - not SAM's but they had the same problem of hitting terrain in front of you unless you aimed up first. I got in the habit of just setting my distance to 2000m to make sure they started out aimed up some. With SAMs though, you do have the problem of losing the lock if you aim up too much.
@@ledinity that’s part of the procedure for firing a Stinger. Once you get a tone -> uncage seeker -> elevate -> fire.
I swear the Su25's damage model is the most bullshit thing ever.
You just can't tell me a plane can eat 4 stingers, stop burning in 2 seconds, turn around and bomb me before i can reload my other 4 glorified firework rockets in my Ozelot.
IRL they can barely even get of the runway without destroying themselves. But until there is an even hotter new premium I suspect they will remain bullshit
MANPADs like the Stingers have also been horrendously unreliable for the longest time in WT too, so that's also playing a factor into it.
Mi-28 heli has a similar damage model and its made to kill you even if u killed the enemy first.
@@nikolaperic6307 well they are resistant to even 50 bmg so they are gonna be tough
@@Miles26545 my man .50 bmg is nothing compared to all the other stuff in this game what kinda crack are you high on
When the Ozelot seems like the better option... Shocking actually. (same missiles but no guns, but a MUCH smaller profile so easier to hide, scouting and gen 2/3 thermals)
Nh, Ozelot has been broken for years and they STILL haven't fixed it and don't seem like they intend to any time soon either.
it really isn't. While smaller with more missiles, it still struggles to hit anything far away. If it's close by, then having missiles and a gun would help a lot
@@INSANESUICIDE The Ozelot was added to the game last year so it cant be 'broken for years'.
@@TheTryingDutchman I was like yea wtf hahaha? Mans suffering in 2034
NAHHHHHHH NO.... thought Ozelot eas better but no... you cant kill for shit when su25 pops out from tree top, kills you with flying bucket of explosive with rockets, then dissappear seconds after than through tree tops
When Odd says "I wonder if I can hit him with said weapon" You know he's getting the kill 😂
Hey bro I have a question.. what do you use to make your thumbnails. Bc they are amazing
@@ExcavationNation Hey! I use something called Photopea. Its basically photoshop with a few minor differences and its free. Plus you can just use it from your browser, its really good :)
This thing is so borked in the game.
It's missing it's fuzed fragmentation shells, and the stingers, which mind you is designed to take out helicopters, can't even see them for some reason. On top of the fact that apparently the stinger can't maneuver for the first 3 or 4 seconds, for some reason, according to Gaijin
Watch someone get pissed, and release classified information just to get the Stingers fixed lol.
That was always my thought, where are the frag shells for the Gepard?! On the other hand I stopped wondering... stupid game by a money hungry publisher f the snail.
@@DravianGrey most of the issues the Stingers have are blatant artificial garbage. Plus by now i doubt stingers have anything about them classified with how old and wide-spread they are (and effective) pretty much every nation can get them, its like the Glock of AAMs
@@RaycoRedFox They're also russian devs, so ofc they're going to make all the russian stuff OP, they're a bunch of Russian Nationalists
Welp they get in the next Update the fuze shell and the chinese one tooo
That comment aged like fine wine😂😂😂
the gepard should have an airburst shell as well.
Idk but I don't think it has one irl
Nah sorry Gepard didn’t field ABM but it’s Radar should be able to lock the smal scout drones
Don't think it ever had any from what I can find
Edit
So there seems to exist timed fuses for the guns themselves however I can't find any information about them being used in the Gepard
@@gabrielneves6602 it has the ability to fire a sort of shrapnel shell that’s tied to the radar and will burst once it get in a certain range.
@@ArcticSnow930 It's similar to the Puma's AHEAD ammunition. Just like the Puma, it has those funky looking muzzle brakes to set the range your shells detonate which throws what are essentially really big birdshot into the enemy aircraft.
Finally a OddBawZ video intro that looks like a compellation of my games.
Impressed with that manual guided rocket! Well done.
And yet the A-10 is made out of paper.
Gay thunder russian bias
It is strange how the Su-25 does take wild beatings while the A-10 just needs to be sneezed out of the air.
@@russki_dabb872 ya knowing its supposed to be the other way around
@@jamesblake1848 Not Really the Su-25 does Tank quite some Damage but the A-10 is not correctly modelled with it's Armor Scheme
@@russki_dabb872 I find both of them to be similar in durability as a swedish main
Oh my god I thought I was going crazy with the Ozelot and the stingers... this intro makes me feel so much better about my SPAA game play against Russian planes and helis.
The Ozelot has been broken for years, and it going up against so many things with flares and having such a short range makes it best to just skip it, use Gepard or Begleitpanzer the vegleit is unironically best SPAA Germany has.
@@INSANESUICIDE wrong, bring both of em.
While ozelot lacks of guns but they have 8 stingers thermals and small vehicle.
And gepard 1a2 for some reason doesnt get thermals, only have 4 stingers and missing AHEAD ammo
@@tejoadi4349 Begleit and Gepard, Ozelot is garbage
Love how the Su25 can take 2 volley’s of fire from the gepard and a stinger and shrugg it off but then you watch footage from the war in ukraine and you have them falling out of the sky after a single manpad hit
Gajin may be Russian? 😆🤣
yea nah the SU25 is a literal flying tank, granted its not invincible in any sense but it is tough, same as the A10. /watch?v=hg0JLFleYRY&ab_channel=MilitaryTV watch the amount of damage on this one that managed to safely RTB after getting hit. But we're also talking about warthunder, where a good 10% of damage models are janky and straight up retarded.
Russian bias
@@vangestelwijnen Yeah but Russians would never do propaganda would they? o.o
фейкоые видосы смотрит и доволен, типичный олень западный
The snail make ussr more stronger every update
The su25k survivability is legit crazy, did a close 300 odd games over the last few weeks for the distinction in my f5c and su25k's survived the most from my sidewinder and guns than anything else I had to face, they're literally flying tanks
All at a lower br than their American counterpart that’s not know (in game) for its survivability but actually know for being a tail loss simulator. And Agms that are soo nerfed they basically are useless on Russian tanks.
Tbf you *did* say the bane of Supersonic jets...
Helis, Drones, and SU-25s are subsonic ;p
Holy moly that Su-25K Spam.😂 Can‘t wait to get a Gepard.
Except it doesn't get programmable ammo fuzing, the main advantage of Gepard?
The Gepard never used AHEAD and was not capable of using it
@@mrprism5382 the extensions on the muzzles of both guns? The ones that look like muzzle break, but aren't? Those are velocity measurement equipment. It records velocity of previously fired round to programm the next one. What the f//ck did you think it was there for, eh?🤣
@@TheArklyte the Gepard is missing the 3rd thicker rail that's necessary to program the fuse. The first 2 rails are for measuring the rounds velocity and relaying that to the FCS on the gepard
@@mrprism5382 yeah, the gepard never had timed rounds
@@mrprism5382 So which variant *does* get it?
As an ozelot player, helis refuse to lock before being like, 2 miles out. The lock stuff for helis is awful
"As an ozelot player" : shameless.
@@OhhhLucien shhh dont tell them that
Stingers and Stinger-likes need severe buffs to Heli and Drone lock on range. They were almost specifically designed to be a menace to helicopters and yet by the time you can lock onto them the target is already being shredded by your teams roof MGs.
I couldn't lock on a helo rear side at 400m using MISTRAL, the first gen helo with a fully exposed engine...
I don't even play this game but I can't get enough of your sassy, expertly played and edited videos man.
May I just say, thank you for the funny, calm (mostly), relaxed way in which you play. I watch your vids for fun, to learn how to play WT better, and for that relaxing accent ;-) I would love to see a tips & tricks vid, something that outlines smart tactics for newer players, especially as you move up BRs. Cheers from Australia, mate! (also, bought your decal)
He did a video on lineups, Germany 5.7, and showed the better way to play.
“The missiles knows where is at all time because it knows where it isn’t”
Still hoping it will get its FAPDS belt soon. Would make it a lot better at its BR because it would increase its engagement range while also making it more capable at fighting ground vehicles
Man that intro is just MASSIVE reinforcement on why I avoid high tier
if you like playing SPAA, I can recommend playing the Stormer HVM. every time I play it I get 4-10 air kills. it has a hard time killing ground targets but it can kill a BMD-3 frontally. the enemy doesn't know you can see them, you are small enough to be mistaken for a non-spaa to inexperienced aircraft and you have fast, high-turning and almost invisible missiles.
Feels like shooting planes from the front into the cockpit lately has been wildly ineffective just as seen here
Shot one of the new migs right on the nose of the aircraft as it was diving towards me, was using the Ito90 and it did practically nothing visually and took a 2nd shot to the cockpit to somehow damage the right wing but not kill it
Took a solid minute or two before it crashed while it killed me with a quick little burst 😒
Can confirm, Ive been playing mid-tier US and my M16 MGMC used to absolutely SMACK planes before. Now I cant seem to hit anything, especially when theyre coming headon. Idk what changed.
Definitely have noticed the same thing, even with the ostwind 2 i can shoot a plane numerous times without killing the pilot, even when seemingly hitting him directly
Those planes coming back around after being hit and still murking ya was pretty funny
I swear gaijin modeled the Su-25 around the SINGLE time one survived 4 stinger hits. It would be the equivalent of modeling the A-10 around the one that survived being hit by 2 different SAMs.
such a good video man, props to u
Good to see I'm not the only one whose AA bullets magically go straight through planes without hitting anything
snap all my AA is like that, and some planes too, its like there's a hidden hit cap, the more guns I have the less damage i seem to do
The Su-25 is such a Joke, it just Won't fuckn Die, got 2 "Criticial Hits" today and he just missled my Ass and survived 3more minutes
Evening baws ,loving the videos ,hope alls good .
I usually aim of center with the gepard, having one gun dead center on SU-25s works the best ive found and the offset gun works on jinks to one side.
6:00 that honestly was such a good burn lmaooo
Tank only mode , lets make it happen.
bmp camping spawn 999km away mode aswell
I was in a game yesterday and there was a guy in a su25 who was complaining because he got hit with 3 missiles and died on the forth one. He was genuinely upset that it took 3 AA to kill him in his premium plane. I on the other hand was upset about most of my deaths coming from helis too far away for my AA to hit, drones that weren't on my radar, and mig27s who were dropping laser guided ordinance from 10,000 feet above me, also outside of radar line of sight.
There was a time when the only top tier GRB I played was radar SPAA. But I gave that up when I started being yeeted by guided missiles launched 6 plus km away.
SU-25 working as intended, comrade.
The su-25 is what players thought the a-10 was gonna be (and its supposed to be) but gaijin, Russia's World Renowned Deepthroating Champion, decided that the su-25 was more sturdy than the heart of a neutron star.
To be fair, the su25 in real life is supposed to be more heavily armored than the a10, and there is evidence in Ukraine that it has been hit multiple times by manpads and still managed to land.
However, that's not to say that the implementation in war thunder is at all realistic or fair.
@@notproplayer3649 More reports of them getting smacked in one hit than there are of SU-25's returning to be fair. It's very much an exception and not the rule
@jasonculligan1718 yeah, I'm not denying that, but the fact that there were even a few reports of su25's coming back after getting smacked by manpads is a testament to it's durability as most other planes didn't have a single recorded instance of surviving a manpad hit (to be fair most plane weren't hit by manpads either).
Nevertheless, it was in the conception of the su25 and a10 to be as resistant as possible while still remaining planes, that's not to say that they are flying tanks because they aren't, they are still fragile to any hit, I do very much agree that the war thunder modeling of the su25 is ridiculous. But it wouldn't be unrealistic if the su25 or the a10 might be able to tank a manpad hit from time to time depending on where the missile exploded around the plane, especially because the explosive mass is very small in manpad missiles. If it hits an engine, it'll take it out but as long as the flight controls aren't too damaged the plane will still fly.
1:17 That Su was on a - M I S S I O N - jesus christ. xD
Great vid
Regarding shooting through these containers with your tank, yes you can, but only through one. You see when you were shooting the t80 there at 14:58, you tried to shoot through 2 containers (one next to you and one next to him), hence it didnt go through. You can shoot only through one of them, thats just how WT works for some reason.
Lav struggles with the same issues of locking onto drones and helis. But you can’t tell me that su-25 isn’t just pure bias at this point. Especially compared to the br increase of the a-10 but the su25 is way better and still at 9.7
Yeah no the unguided rockets that the SU25 gets are waaaaaaayyyyy I mean waayyy more useful than any of the armament on the A10’s
Lol, that stupid thing is missing the main point of the A2 upgrade package, the FAPDS shell. The switched to FAPDS from HEI due to the heigher muzzlevelocity (1,4km/s) extending the effective range from 3,5km to 5,5km. Also gajin, fix the stupid stingers on all ground vehicles.
At one point in my life I was a platoon leader of a stinger/vulcan platoon in the 24th Infantry Division (reflagged as the 3rd ID) and I can tell you the stinger is ejected out of the tube and then the rocket motor engages. So, the stinger gunners had to, what we called, super elevate the missile after getting tone but before firing. That is something that is and is not taken into account in the game.
I love how the Excevators say 'Shovel' on the rear.
Su25 is so ridiculous. Every time I face this bs it always survives anything I can throw at it. I've put 3 missiles into it the other day and only that brought it down. That's literally impossible.
oddbawz not locking up planes for his 35 mm is giving me anurisms XD
The guided missiles are so satisfying to watch hit planes!
that spitfire kill was so funny
Lots of excavators on that map I like it:)
Ahh yes... You can't run away from SU-25K shot.. I mean.. even tho it explode like on different outpost, the radius is just nuts for me when I'm in my LAV-AD... Had a 2 hours of breakdown after that..
Really got the WT experience down in the intro, die, die, die and die again to aircraft, even in a SPAA,
The su25 is so insanely fucking broken. This intro showed it so obviously. It can literally just eat missile and cannon fire like it's a flying fucking maus
14:06 lmao the rocket hit the ground beneath and still destroyed him
I feel the same way playing air RB in my a10, I lost so many heads on against the Su-25 even though I get hits with the 30mm air target ammo.
Didnt watch the entire video for now but your beginning is exactly why i think that the Gepard 1A2 is technically a nerf. All you get are 4 stingers for a BR increase from 8.0-> 9.7
This vid has more to do with SU-25's damage model being broken than anything else
So glad to finally find out its not just me getting mugged trying to operate SPAA now. The premium plane buyers must be protected at all costs it seems.
Getting that Spitfire was funny
The latest SU-25 must have some new stealth technology that we didn't know about til we played WT!
IRL this things goes brr 3 shots per barrel, stuff explodes, in game lol planes and choppers made of Stalinium.
That’s why I like the Rolands. They are just perfect again helicopter’s and planes.
Gaijin artificially nerfed stingers in the game, so its kinda unfair.
@@tejoadi4349 well yea but you still fight basically the same vehicles. You can launch the Roland before the aircraft is in range and by the time they meet they have gotten in range. It’s really annoying to fight helicopters or drones because they usually survive a hit.
You can lock drones and that pretty good actually
3km Max range tho
but you can still do
I have to know, i specialize in SPAAs ^^
if you lead the missiles and aim up over buildings this thing is actually really really good (except for helis sadly) :D
It's stupid how much the Su-25k can take...
I felt the pain only in the first 3 minutes
The only times I play A-10 I fly high and far away. Strafing runs exclusively for end-game fun. Guided bombs and ATGMs are by far the best option. I don't even bother with 500lbs bombs they ain't worth the turning room
You should play the BMP-2M as a missile AA and slap missile drones straight from their spawn
The struggle is reallllllll😂
0:45 "the missile knows where it is at all times-"
@Odd you can use the APDS rounds to engage much higher distances ... ofc the ammo is not great against Aviation
Stingers are situational, once you spade the LAV and Ocelot you should have a grip on their issues and limited strengths.
Also it's at a br closer to where the base gepard should be
LMAO... Pure cannon spaa should be close to 9.7...? What a joke.
Cas is the easiest vehicle type to play in GROUND RB. Skilled su25 pilot can wipe the map with single spawn in current game..
And you honestly think gepard should be full BR higher than VEAK40 or 0.7 higher than M247, which both have couple Km longer range than gepard has.
@@kanelikainalo hence why I said it's closer, it should not be at 8.0 nor 9.7, it cannot be compared to the York as it has proxy fuse rounds yet no way to kill IFVs easily and MBTs. Whereas the base gepard has access to a sabo belt and a high fire rate which makes mince meat out of all light vehicles and most MBTs at its current BR. Look at the M163 which for a while was the same br
I’ve found at least with lav you have to lead the missiles and you have a higher chance of Hitting your target
Drones can only get locked from 3.89km away.
SU25 is gaijin's money maker it's a flying tank until it gets 10.3 br like it should.
I thought Gaijin's headquarters was on the Abandoned Sewage Treatment Plant map in the main sewage collection tank?
14:10 this is insane😂😅
ive noticed with german aa missiles you need to lock then aim into the sky (lock still within that circle tho right)
I sometimes wonder who would win, hunter or oddbawz
The problem with stingers in this game is they struggle to lock Helis and drones within 2-3km. Also the SU-25 is so ridiculous surprised it’s still at 9.7.
As an AA, this thing is miles better than the LAV that sits one bracket higher than it. It has a radar and a solid AP belt. It's even better as a tank killer with the guns.
Only thing LAV has is that on some maps, it's faster, and can take a couple more stingers. And with their current in game performance, eh. Zunis too, but that's almost a gimmick.
Both of these are eh, but the gepard is better and sits lower.
Go figure.
Gets flashbacks to Type 93 and it's 6km range missiles vs 10km range helis >.>
Ngl i kinda like the new abandoned factory with extra steps because its simple and my brain is small
the french Santal is that but without guns, and at 9.3
I didn't know this vehicle had been added to the game.
You need to always shoot second missle
helicopters have always had stupid small heat signatures, you can never lock them with Air to Air missles from a plane. and now all these ground heat seekers aren't working either. Heli's are just all over weird as hell.
Theres alot wrong with missiles in general.
None of the stinger variations work correctly, theres so many bugs with AA missile carriers like the missile not firing or flying some completely bs direction
If as you say in discord "you don't want to play a SPAA again" maybe you could revisit the ZSD63/PG87 (the Chinese Wirbeldwind) to regain faith in anti-aircraft
Oh yes, the tank destroyer that also shreds planes, i love it
i swear Gaijin needs to do a heavy rebalancing of the SU25 variants, the FIM92 and MANPADS are underperforming big time even at this date (July 2023). I just unlocked this Gepard for my 9.7 lineup, its fun, but its nowhere near as good as the other SPAAs from the BR. Even the Ozelot is rather bad for its BR.
The APDS belts are for aircraft out of range... You get 40 rounds. No wonder people hate SPAA between radar guided and SAMs, they're handicapped because their 'tank killing' ability is somehow so great a threat that instead of going up .3 or .7 of a battle rating they just said "you can't have this" for no reason.
Videos like these just reinforces my lack of desire to play top tier. Even if you get lucky enough to get a kill, it just means you're about to die to overpowered CAS and helicopters
the su25K has just a busted damage model lmao
su25k is the only plane in this game i know that can take direct hit from AAM and still fly
Try it now because the drones r so high in br now
Hi Odd I really enjoy your videos I have challenge for you attempt to get a nuke with only scouting
it almost like we have been here before with ATGM helis and SPAA not being able to counter them