This looks so cool. Not having a top handle \ full cage option though... I dunno. Blackmagic really are crazy for literally fixing 0 of the issue we've been screaming about for the past 5 years.
0 is technically not correct - with the flip screen and at least a npf battery (is that a fix tho?) on the 6k pro - but yeah, its kinda frustrating to see all the problems not being fixed
Yeah, Idunno what they're thinking. The BMPCC is such a bizarre form-factor. It's basically become the shape of a gigantic photography camera. That makes no sense for a video-camera. Why don't they make it the shape of a camcorder? Or a box camera?
Can you imagine what a MESS was super-8 era? What fucking mini-DV era was? Did you see, each day, since 10 years, XAVC crapping footage everywhere? Blackmagic do, what canon NEED to do since 5DmkII. That all. Yes it is not perfect. But since ursa 4K V1, evolution was huge, really huge.
@@beyondourarena2207 yes, I do not discard any of Blackmagic’s innovation, I love them and have been shooting with their cameras for a long time now. However with the recent “new” releases I think they’ve let us down.
I am just at the start of the video, and I am stopping to second everything you are saying about the screen and the OS, the OS is first rate, and the fact that they haven't yet figure out that the screen should be on top of the camera is mind boggling. The screen at the back does not work, it's really bad, it hurts you when shooting in so many ways and yet they just refuse to evolve this camera. You are just making my blood boil, because I love the image out of these cameras, it's unbeatable, at the price but you have to put up with a horrendous body design. Okay, I took a breath, back to the video.
The best part is the v mount, I am in love with that part of the mod, I know it is a lot to ask for, but in my opinion the ideal would be for the monitor to be removable. My idea is to have an extension of the cable that connects the monitor to the body of the camera and the monitor to have a 1/4" screw with locating pins on the base to place the monitor on a top handle if you want.
When seeing this mod, that is the first thing I thought of too. Is a removable, modular monitor for a future iteration of this camera. That would be perfect with this V Mount location.
I love Blackmagic but DAYUMN do they need to lay this design to rest.. I love that we have a 4:3 sensor now.. but I'm dead tired of the design. Time for them to do another mic drop, 2024 better be that year. About the mod, that mod is AWESOME! Would be GREAT for run and gun with a light footprint. Killer!
I'd suggest an additional step in the mod, regarding that ribbon cable. I'd pick a industrial shelf purchase plug so that you use a cable to plug into the body and into the monitor. This is just to prevent a future failure point on that ribbon cable. Currently if it malfunctions, you are stuck, but a cable with plugs, even if you never replace it, if you have to, you can,
My thoughts exactly. If you were going all out, it’d be nice to do a pogo pin setup, but even just having a standard connector for however many conductors are needed would really make this much better.
@robertwagner8317 I took it to mean “off-the-shelf” (non-proprietary) cable, using a production-industry standard cable type. Would make it reliable, easily-available, and relatively cheap.
Really like the style of Caleb and Zach each having a camera on them. I know they are together, but it gives more variety than having them both on screen the whole time (watching each other talk 😅). Great video guys, love all the info and this one is your best yet!
Really interesting mod effort! I'd say the following shortcomings would need to be addressed though. -Monitor doesn't seem to be able to swivel left and right. -Ribbon cable seems susceptible to damage in the long run -Hole where ribbon cable exits the body on the top is just waiting for dust/ water ingress to damage the camera's internals. I think making the monitor completely removable by adding ports to the body would address most of people's issues with this mod. Best of luck!
Really cool mod! My one wish would be an included SSD holder on the back of the monitor. That would completely remove my need for a cage for most uses.
I'm sorry but if a camera forces people to physically modify it to this point, then it's time for Blackmagic to finally listen to their customers and make some changes. Modding a camera (which is a tool most of us use on client work to make $$$), just doesn't sit well with me. I've heard so many horror stories of BMPCC and Sigma FP users who've modded their cameras and ran into issues. You mentioned the word "frustration" a lot -- that generally sums up my feelings about Blackmagic cameras. PS: @3:27 I'll take RED's DSMC3 user interface over Blackmagic
The screen in not bright enough. Where could I place an external monitor? And I'm not so sure about not having the option for a top handle. Other than that it looks amazing! Any thing in the works to solve these two issues? :)
What about when you want to put the camera on a gimbal? Seems to me like the monitor would get in the way unless you lay it down flat in which case it becomes useless? I would love to know if you tested this and what the results were.
Very cool but may be a little too late? I don't know. We'll see how successful the kickstarter is. We have four Pocket 4K's we have already figured out all of our workarounds for battery (NPF battery in a side handle that holds the SSD from Tilta). To drop another $300 on these pocket cameras as they get older doesn't really make sense to me. But best of luck to this project.
This is super late for sure. Sadly for the 6k community the pocket 6k G2 solves this problem of the articulating screen. At 1595 on bh right now there is hardly any reason to go eBay hunting for a 1200 dollar G1 to spend 300 modding just to loose AC adapter and cage compatibility.
Blackmagic themselves keep just milking out the same camera body, instead of listening to the end users for a better design. Though it looks like a cool mod, but wished it would allow a top grip especially when the camera is fully rigged out to work with a full crew with transmitter and wireless follow focus, you kinda need a top grip for an easyrig. It be nice if longer ribbon cable that allowed to position the monitor to a top grip and allow to use it with a full cage.
There is this guy IMCE on yt that is gonna make a box rehouse for the pocket 6k and it will have v mount or npf don't remember and the best it will have e-mount
Great idea here but it’s a little too late and the compromises don’t outweigh modern solutions. Dealbreakers: 1. Disabling wall power. 90% of my shoots with the pockets are in controlled studios, interviews or commercials where power is plentiful. V mounts are cool but wall power is a must to both keep the camera going and charge the battery. 2. No good way to travel/store the camera without risking the monitor getting beat up. 3. Eliminating a top handle solution. Man, I really wanted to like this thing but a cage and a cheap monitor sounds like it’s the way to go… (or the titla route) Fantastic video never the less. Love this format and presentation. Subbed! ✌🏼
This is awesome. Only thing I would want is to make the onboard monitor modular. But even if it is not, it is still fine. But use this mod with some v mount pag onboards, and thats an awesome combo. Cause with the pags, they're stackable, and you can hot swap simply off of the v-mounts and bypass the np batteries. But this is great, thanks for making this video!
Sorry if this is a silly question, but when you Mod the 6k does the mod use the internal 6k screen, or is it replaced with a 5” screen from PodTech? I’m still sorta confused on that part
I recently purchased a 6k full frame... I had a 4k.. i had a 6k pro... ive hated the body and lcd placement since day 1 but figured I would just deal with it.. but once i saw how bad the rolling shutter was on the full frame, i decided I was done... im going with sony FX6 now
Great project! For the cheap bastards like me: I put a V-Mount into my rucksack or on my belt (There is a smallrig vmount belt clip) and run a long cable to the BMPCC 4K. Saves me and my rig from the weight, and i can use a massive Vmount and not worry anymore. Though this mod kit is obviously a great solution too.
For Blackmagic Design specifically, I wish there was an option to just replace the BMPCC 4K's monitor with a brighter one and have it articulate. If they did a 4K version of the 6K G2 and make it a little cheaper, that would sell like crazy. Not everyone needs 6K resolution. As far as modding goes. For the BMPCC 4K users I have an option of a brighter screen. For all the pocket line and the newer full frame one, I would do an option for the mod kit to include a removable cable connection for the screen instead of the ribbon. This way you can place the screen anywhere on a cage via cold shoe or nato maybe. This way if users want handles, mics, rods with lens supports and matte boxes, etc. they can do that. One last mod I would add is direct storage support like the Sandisk Professional PRO-BLADE SSD. I wish I had the equipment to make my own modded version.
When seeing this mod, the first thing I thought of is a removable, modular monitor for a future iteration of this camera, with a specific place to mount on the body, with of course a mount that is a part of the internal frame to the camera, to make it strong and rigid. Have the monitor on a swivel and hinge type of mounting arm. So that the monitor can rotate 180 degrees and also angle freely. This would give you almost unlimited control where you could view the monitor well, while working. While I think this mod has a lot of promise, one thing I am not keen on, is filing down part of the housing to make a permanent change. To the camera housing case. Even being small, it still allows for an opening into the camera where, dirt, dust and debris can enter, thereby causing other unforeseen issues down the road. Especially in dirty filming environments. I think the mod idea I have would be perfect with this V Mount location. There is definitely some ideas percolating in my mind how this camera would be the ultimate camera…. It is great in many areas. And with a few mods for these things, it would be revolutionary. 🤷♂️
Pledged! I think this looks really promising. I have two P4Ks and this could potentially turn one of them into a more nimble set up. Willing to give it a try! I've always used them with external monitors rigged to top handles, which is the main reason I've added the top handle for anyway. Carrying the camera and resting between shots are secondary uses, but I rarely find myself using the handle while recording. The way this places the monitor on top of the camera, and much closer to the body compared to attaching it to a handle, while also freeing up the HDMI port to be used with a transmitter rather than an extra monitor is really good. Plus you run power and video feed to the monitor over the same cable, giving you a much cleaner build without external batteries or power cables to D-tap and extruding HDMI ports. With a half cage on the left side like you showed, you can still rig up a rod with follow focus and keep the small footprint. The only things that I can see as possible limitations are if you want to add a shotgun microphone or an easyrig. But I'm sure that can be worked around somehow. Great to see that you can still improve these cameras all these years later. Would be very interested to see a gen 2 of this solution for the 6K Pro with internal NDs, with some thoughts to how you can improve further and allow for more versatile builds. Now we just need BM to support more anamorphic ratios natively, which is another drawback from getting rid of the external monitor.
it would be best if he could replace the ribbon cable with some sort of connection where you could actually put the LCD anywhere.. this set up = no full cage, no handle..
Here’s the problem with this entire thing. You now can not attach a shotgun mic or top handle. You’re going to go handheld on a camera that has no ibis (yes it’s got gyro but it’s going to crop on your image more than a crop sensor already does) . I’m sure Blackmagic thought about this and realized this isn’t as good of an idea as it seems. This isn’t a photography camera it’s a cinema camera it’s supposed to be rigged out. I give it 1 month until people start realizing the problems with this. where tf are you going to put your SSD? Don’t tell me we’re going to have to buy cfast cards now which are inanely expensive. Lastly YOU DOING THE INSTALLATION yourself is probably going to void your warranty so if you screw up IT OVER. This whole idea creates more problems than it solves
One of the solution to the battery is to run dummy battery straight from the vmount. So the charging power wouldn't be touched and can charge the camera forever.
It’s super cool. But the two complaints I have, is that you cant remove the monitor and you can’t put a half cage on it. I still want to be able to put a side or top handle on it and incorporate the SSD. So hopefully I get will be fixed. And no offense but the quarter cages suck. Has to be half cage for me. I wonder if he could move the menu buttons so that they are also on the screen? Then you can use any size v mount.
This really solves so many issues and I love that. My biggest issue is screen replacements, I've never had any luck getting my bmpcc4K screen repaired after it delaminated through no damage I did to the point only some parts of the screen are touch-capable. I'd kill to just find a replacement screen so I can start using this camera again. BlackMagic was no real help.
love this idea, but i'm already 6 min in getting impatient. some of these videos i really just want the information, and don't want to skip thru your stuff to get to it. would love if you made condensed versions. or cut them up for shorts? i skipped to how to get the mod, and we got two talking heads back and forth still for another minute to find out it's a kit that seems to be modded off another designers kit? this looks good, but that ribbon on the monitor is not going to last long at all. i have 3 6ks, i would love to mod them if we can figure a solution to give better protection to that monitor ribbon.
It does not look so great. Not sure corporate customers would appreciate the look of this camera :D. I got BMPCC6k myself, but not sure I would like this mod. And as someone mentioned in the comments already, lack of the top handle might be deal breaker for many.
This is great, it emulates a RED! The irony of you showing thos camera rigged out, at the beginning, is that of folks ponied up a few more bucks the URSA and URSA minis are a far more superior setup out of the box.
Great idea but no top handle no party. To be able to relocate the monitor just slightly he should have used a normal thin cable, so you can also fold it back when the vmount is not thee. Also he should have put a nato rail or a sort of cheeseplate instead of that single 1/4-20 to move that monitor or add a top handle/accessories, that's a dealbreaker. Good for a very very basic use
This modification makes this camera more suitable to grab and go. Take it out of your bag, add a lens and battery, and you're ready to start capturing footage, mostly B roll, for extended hours. This mod doesn't suit this camera for documentary work. This mod interferes with adding a shotgun and mic and a lav mic system to your camera. Like a lot of tools, this modification is for some and not for others.
Does it do portable mobile livestreams and have stability technology? My biggest dilemma is finding a camera that will Mobile livestream and be able to connect to a hotspot via phone and have stability technology without a gimbal
you can get a wall plug to vlock adapter cable so that way you can run off mains... i'd recommend using one battery for this purpose though, as it probably ruins the charge hold in the long run.
This one is quite the revolution! When I chose my video rig, the only reason I didn't get the bmpcc was because the screen placement seemed idiotic. Hope this modder gets hired by blackmagic to work on their next serial product... An SSD holder would make it even more complete
That rubber cable is very easy to to break, they have to change the design of it, I mean should be something to protect the thing something like a hinge I don’t know
D&O Lighting used to sell a v-mount brick that lets you plug it into a wall. It was basically a power adapter that fits into a v-mount battery plate. I don’t know if they still sell it, but if they do you could use it to power your cameras from wall power. That’s what I do.
It was the F&V V-Mount AC Power Adapter that I got. I remembers this because I ordered a 2nd one for my b camera yesterday. The lemo power port on my bmpcc 4k cameras tend to break a lot so I needed to use these and a v-mount plate if I wanted to run my cameras on wall power.
It's interessting!! But... 1- What about the Mic Place XLR (for Sound)? 2- In this case, It could be easy for blackmagic to do It: "Just give the opción on the EVF place (Shoes) to use it also with A Portable HDMI on the of the EVF as well". And eliminate the screen in the back, and replace It by a VL Battery mount shoes in screen place. In theory, it's seems not so complicate to do. (JUST USING THE EVF SHOES FOR THE HDMI OPTION) 3- THE ONLY PROBLEM could be THE MIC SHOES OPTION: "replacing the Mic Shoes position, in a perfect place (where we have not to choose between "HDMI and Battery" AGAINST "Sounds and Mic Shoes").
I could see it maybe for a broll camera only. The worst part of the design is if your using this camera with a shotgun mic on top for certain style of videos.
Just get a box camera, there are so many! The BMPCC form factor is a complete breath of fresh air from the nonstop consumer/youtube-based demand for a "box camera" I put my V-mount on the side and use the wonderful screen and amazing hand grip in Doc work that is not fixed to the shoulder. they made something different and the boring world can't handle it. if you are an actual filmmaker please give it a go, and make a film as it is before getting swept up in this unnecessary money pit. A top handle and pistol grip with NDs instantly accessible is a vérité Dream.
I has many problems, the fact that you can't use a cage makes it unusable for me, especially for the lack of top handle and attachment threads all around. Also, the horizontal placement of the battery forcing to use a nano battery is not good. There are many types of v-mount, and not everybody invested in SWX Core nano, or FXLion, or this specific size. I need to use big batteries too, but it looks like they would cover the buttons. And it doesn't allow to use sandwich items like power distribution plates or wireless transmitters, that are made to keep the rig very very compact. However, these interesting mods are a symptom of Blackmagic refusal to acknowledge the needs of the Pocket users. A camera with a box form factor and a battery plate behind the body. Otherwise, as soon as one was to rig it a bit seriously, a rod system is needed with stuff 5-10 cm far from the monitor and the camera quickly becomes longer and more cumbersome than an Ursa, that's ridiculous (and it's the reason I won't buy any more "pocket" cameras like these anymore).
Just get a 68w Auton Bauer Titon base battery everyone and all your problems will be solved. I don’t know why most people want to rig their batteries in the back of the camera… it isn’t practical. Put it at the bottom, and you will never struggle for any application (handheld, tripod, etc…). You also don’t loose the cage compatibility and can add accessories wherever on the camera without the battery getting in your way. I agree, the camera batteries are trash. This Auton battery lasts 3 hours powering both, the camera while recording, and a Teradek transmitter. Also, just get the 6k pro which has a tilt screen for your screen issues 👍🏼
Sure, nice…but, no handle, no way to mount a teradek, no way to miunt motors ecc.. looks really cool for the youtuber but not really functional on a professional set
While at first I was excited for this, I quickly realized that it's not viable for several reasons: 1.The power connector is disabled. If I do an indoor interview shoot it's nice to not have to use batteries. This is also removes other power options, and if you have the 4K, using the Canon batteries isn't really a good one. 2.It's limited on the vmount batteries you can use. You can only use smaller ones because something bigger would block the buttons. And going back to point 1, since the power input is disabled, that means I can't use a bigger vmount to connect to it if I so desired. 3.The ribbon cable poking out is asking to be broken. A handle with a hot-shoe or pin connectors would have been better. 4.No cage. I love these cameras and I love rigging them. I can't mount a follow focus on this because I can't put a cage, no more handles, accessories, etc. I can't even mount a wireless monitoring system if I need to. They said they wanted to build this so you wouldn't need a cage, however cages are useful. What about using rails, or baseplates and the like? All in all, I hope this does wake Blackmagic up and they come out with a new body and new system instead of just releasing the same body with "new" features. It's sad that people have to resort to modding their cameras in such a way.
So, first of all… LOVE the concept. BUT…I feel this is a big big work around for little payoff. Your kind of committing your camera to this and this alone once your into it. Is anyone using the Bluetooth app for the camera ?
Would there be a problem when re-selling the camera with this mod on? Even after somehow disassembling the camera and putting it back together the way it came originally, you'll still have this “coin sized-piggy bank-like hole” on the top that may not be too appealing to those who for whatever reason like to remain loyal to the original design… (got nothing against the mod, I think it's actually awesome… am just asking!)
It's a dope solution but the monitor placement completely negates the ability to use a top handle or even a full cage. That a big issue for me personally
It baffles me that BlackMagic could have listened to its users years ago and made all these fixes easily and had a really popular camera become even more popular but didn’t and still hasn’t. A Komodo or Komodo X would have been the way to go for most and has, not to mention the better Dynamic Range and Memory Card options. IMO
The ergonomics of the Pocket Cameras will always be absolutely preposterous to me, it's amazing they're so successful considering how terrible they are for the type of shooting people use them for. The fact that people are having to mod a supposedly professional camera to make it usable is astounding, people shouldn't reward Blackmagic with their money when they have to do this sort of thing
First of all you lose the SSD mount on the top plate Second the top handle usually houses my XLR shotgun or pencil mic and my XLR dual channel field recorder A side follow focus handle can't be mounted unless I add an extension bottom cheese plate Also loses the ability to balance on a gimbal at which it already was difficult to start with It's a great mod but again it's a bandaid Probably a rehousing mod to convert that camera to a boxed camera would do wonders
Maybe I am losing my mind here, but nobody could imagine a way to rig a V mount without blocking the screen? Really? I have nothing against this mod, of course, but still...
Why dont they redesign the pocket cam so it can take a larger battery instead of that huge vmount battery on back. Sony a7sii had the same issue with those small batteries and they changed and made the cams take bigger ones and batteries arent an issue. Also its disappointing that this is a mod and not offered by blackmagic. With cameras like the sony fx30 which has amazing image quality, good battery life, ai autofocus.. i dont see how bmpcc can compete.
This is one of the most stupid mods i've ever seen... You can buy a tiny little vmount plate, attach it to the top, or bottom and use a 5" monitor with a tiny magic arm, and you get the same functionality with full of the usability... The problem of the Pocket cam is not the screen, is the bulky design...
interesting but idk, no top handle? monitor mounted on top when carrying it in your bag? that mount better be strong... I get the point but I'd rather other options, like buying an fx3 as I did lol (jk)
Great fixes. I used alot of 4k, 6k and 6k pro. One other very big issue for me was the reliability. We have had 2 6k pro and both of them were in repair within the first year. In the end this was the main reason why I moved away from them. Very annoying when ghe camera dies infront of the client. Multiple times
I'm tempted to buy in, really. But the issue around V-mount bugs me - I use Gold mount for all of my kit. Seeing as the shape of the plate isn't standard (I might be wrong), I am concerned that I just won't be able to use my batteries with it. Would be nice to have some sort of clarification about this!
yea gold mount is standard but harder to find. It's a better locking solution overall though, v mount is just more popular. I have all v moutns, honestly wish I had all gold mounts. whoops! lol I bet if it goes well, they'll offer a gold plate option. I'd check their page.
Would have been better if the monitor wasn't hard mounted but instead was mounted on something like NATO rails and the ribbon cable had some connector and we could run some extension cable. That way there's still option to use a full cage together with all the accessories if needed and it would make external monitors not needed in large amount of cases.
I like how they say “the battery is unreliable “ and then proceed to show the bargain basement trash that are known industry wide to fail randomly 😅😅😂. Stop it, get some help.
You don't "need" to use V-mount, I build my setup with NP-F batteries, i am using 10k mAh Batteries and one battery lasts me 3-4 hours. Plus i dont block my screen (that was the point of my setup), also, monitors and many lights also use NP-F so i have like 8 huge NP-F batteries and can use then for whatever.
This is great! maybe the display hinge/cable could use some redesing still though, to protect the cable and make possible to flip down the display when battery is not attached for transport.
Did you happen ask why they didnt go for adding a monitor cable port on body and monitor so a more robust longer cable can be used to relocate the screen? That seems to be the only thing this thing is missing. Having the screen fixed to the top like that and not being able to use a top handle is kinda strange as most people use one for handheld work.
if it would be possible to change the screen to a higher nit one because its a pity the the bmd screen has such a low nit which makes it impossible under the sun even with a shade. the power consumptin would be covered by the vmount battery however the sccreen if available would probably be expensive,
Camera is best in a cage, with top handle. V mount options are easy to come by on a rail system and throw your monitor on top. This is cool, but I think a tad late to the party. We all have our solutions now.
This is great. Though why not just get the new micro studio that has the 4K sensor in it, SDI and adapt to v mount. Though I suppose there’s no screen.
This looks so cool.
Not having a top handle \ full cage option though... I dunno.
Blackmagic really are crazy for literally fixing 0 of the issue we've been screaming about for the past 5 years.
0 is technically not correct - with the flip screen and at least a npf battery (is that a fix tho?) on the 6k pro - but yeah, its kinda frustrating to see all the problems not being fixed
Yeah, Idunno what they're thinking. The BMPCC is such a bizarre form-factor. It's basically become the shape of a gigantic photography camera. That makes no sense for a video-camera. Why don't they make it the shape of a camcorder? Or a box camera?
Can you imagine what a MESS was super-8 era? What fucking mini-DV era was? Did you see, each day, since 10 years, XAVC crapping footage everywhere? Blackmagic do, what canon NEED to do since 5DmkII. That all. Yes it is not perfect. But since ursa 4K V1, evolution was huge, really huge.
@@beyondourarena2207 yes, I do not discard any of Blackmagic’s innovation, I love them and have been shooting with their cameras for a long time now.
However with the recent “new” releases I think they’ve let us down.
What do you use the top handle for?
I am just at the start of the video, and I am stopping to second everything you are saying about the screen and the OS, the OS is first rate, and the fact that they haven't yet figure out that the screen should be on top of the camera is mind boggling. The screen at the back does not work, it's really bad, it hurts you when shooting in so many ways and yet they just refuse to evolve this camera. You are just making my blood boil, because I love the image out of these cameras, it's unbeatable, at the price but you have to put up with a horrendous body design. Okay, I took a breath, back to the video.
They NEED to make it a box design with a screen on top
@@ToxicTurtleIsMad buy a red and stop to argue
The best part is the v mount, I am in love with that part of the mod, I know it is a lot to ask for, but in my opinion the ideal would be for the monitor to be removable. My idea is to have an extension of the cable that connects the monitor to the body of the camera and the monitor to have a 1/4" screw with locating pins on the base to place the monitor on a top handle if you want.
When seeing this mod, that is the first thing I thought of too. Is a removable, modular monitor for a future iteration of this camera. That would be perfect with this V Mount location.
I love Blackmagic but DAYUMN do they need to lay this design to rest.. I love that we have a 4:3 sensor now.. but I'm dead tired of the design. Time for them to do another mic drop, 2024 better be that year.
About the mod, that mod is AWESOME! Would be GREAT for run and gun with a light footprint. Killer!
I'd suggest an additional step in the mod, regarding that ribbon cable. I'd pick a industrial shelf purchase plug so that you use a cable to plug into the body and into the monitor. This is just to prevent a future failure point on that ribbon cable. Currently if it malfunctions, you are stuck, but a cable with plugs, even if you never replace it, if you have to, you can,
My thoughts exactly. If you were going all out, it’d be nice to do a pogo pin setup, but even just having a standard connector for however many conductors are needed would really make this much better.
Huh? What's an industrial shelf purchase plug??
@robertwagner8317 I took it to mean “off-the-shelf” (non-proprietary) cable, using a production-industry standard cable type. Would make it reliable, easily-available, and relatively cheap.
Really like the style of Caleb and Zach each having a camera on them. I know they are together, but it gives more variety than having them both on screen the whole time (watching each other talk 😅). Great video guys, love all the info and this one is your best yet!
Really interesting mod effort! I'd say the following shortcomings would need to be addressed though.
-Monitor doesn't seem to be able to swivel left and right.
-Ribbon cable seems susceptible to damage in the long run
-Hole where ribbon cable exits the body on the top is just waiting for dust/ water ingress to damage the camera's internals.
I think making the monitor completely removable by adding ports to the body would address most of people's issues with this mod.
Best of luck!
For sure, you could also treat it more likea. boxed camera then and rig it out if production calls for it.
Really cool mod! My one wish would be an included SSD holder on the back of the monitor. That would completely remove my need for a cage for most uses.
yea that's what those things on the back of the monitor is for
在中国早在三年前就支持这种改装，不过三年前主要是加载ssd,或许你可以在中国淘宝上看看
Tilta BMPCC 4K/6K Display Modification Kit. Check this priduct
@@sergsteam Just shot with mine and forgotten how good the mod is.
I'm sorry but if a camera forces people to physically modify it to this point, then it's time for Blackmagic to finally listen to their customers and make some changes. Modding a camera (which is a tool most of us use on client work to make $$$), just doesn't sit well with me. I've heard so many horror stories of BMPCC and Sigma FP users who've modded their cameras and ran into issues. You mentioned the word "frustration" a lot -- that generally sums up my feelings about Blackmagic cameras. PS: @3:27 I'll take RED's DSMC3 user interface over Blackmagic
This video was like therapy as a pocket shooter for the last 4 years
The screen in not bright enough. Where could I place an external monitor? And I'm not so sure about not having the option for a top handle. Other than that it looks amazing! Any thing in the works to solve these two issues? :)
This is definitely interesting!
What about when you want to put the camera on a gimbal? Seems to me like the monitor would get in the way unless you lay it down flat in which case it becomes useless? I would love to know if you tested this and what the results were.
Very cool but may be a little too late? I don't know. We'll see how successful the kickstarter is. We have four Pocket 4K's we have already figured out all of our workarounds for battery (NPF battery in a side handle that holds the SSD from Tilta). To drop another $300 on these pocket cameras as they get older doesn't really make sense to me. But best of luck to this project.
This is super late for sure. Sadly for the 6k community the pocket 6k G2 solves this problem of the articulating screen. At 1595 on bh right now there is hardly any reason to go eBay hunting for a 1200 dollar G1 to spend 300 modding just to loose AC adapter and cage compatibility.
Blackmagic themselves keep just milking out the same camera body, instead of listening to the end users for a better design. Though it looks like a cool mod, but wished it would allow a top grip especially when the camera is fully rigged out to work with a full crew with transmitter and wireless follow focus, you kinda need a top grip for an easyrig. It be nice if longer ribbon cable that allowed to position the monitor to a top grip and allow to use it with a full cage.
There is this guy IMCE on yt that is gonna make a box rehouse for the pocket 6k and it will have v mount or npf don't remember and the best it will have e-mount
What a genius design, I hope they do it for the 6K Pro
Great idea here but it’s a little too late and the compromises don’t outweigh modern solutions.
Dealbreakers:
1. Disabling wall power. 90% of my shoots with the pockets are in controlled studios, interviews or commercials where power is plentiful. V mounts are cool but wall power is a must to both keep the camera going and charge the battery.
2. No good way to travel/store the camera without risking the monitor getting beat up.
3. Eliminating a top handle solution.
Man, I really wanted to like this thing but a cage and a cheap monitor sounds like it’s the way to go… (or the titla route)
Fantastic video never the less. Love this format and presentation. Subbed! ✌🏼
This is awesome. Only thing I would want is to make the onboard monitor modular. But even if it is not, it is still fine. But use this mod with some v mount pag onboards, and thats an awesome combo. Cause with the pags, they're stackable, and you can hot swap simply off of the v-mounts and bypass the np batteries. But this is great, thanks for making this video!
That monitor ribbon cable is just screaming "future problem".
Sorry if this is a silly question, but when you Mod the 6k does the mod use the internal 6k screen, or is it replaced with a 5” screen from PodTech? I’m still sorta confused on that part
It uses the built in screen and repurposes it in the new enclosure.
Awesome! Thank you for responding 🙏🏾
I recently purchased a 6k full frame... I had a 4k.. i had a 6k pro... ive hated the body and lcd placement since day 1 but figured I would just deal with it.. but once i saw how bad the rolling shutter was on the full frame, i decided I was done... im going with sony FX6 now
You speak sense. I've just gone iPhone 15 Pro Max with the BM app. For commercial use of it frickin phenomenal and the quality is perfect
Great project! For the cheap bastards like me: I put a V-Mount into my rucksack or on my belt (There is a smallrig vmount belt clip) and run a long cable to the BMPCC 4K. Saves me and my rig from the weight, and i can use a massive Vmount and not worry anymore.
Though this mod kit is obviously a great solution too.
watched the whole vid but in the end, the best info i got was your belt mount haha grat idea, and i'm doin it starting tomorrow
For Blackmagic Design specifically, I wish there was an option to just replace the BMPCC 4K's monitor with a brighter one and have it articulate. If they did a 4K version of the 6K G2 and make it a little cheaper, that would sell like crazy. Not everyone needs 6K resolution.
As far as modding goes. For the BMPCC 4K users I have an option of a brighter screen. For all the pocket line and the newer full frame one, I would do an option for the mod kit to include a removable cable connection for the screen instead of the ribbon. This way you can place the screen anywhere on a cage via cold shoe or nato maybe. This way if users want handles, mics, rods with lens supports and matte boxes, etc. they can do that. One last mod I would add is direct storage support like the Sandisk Professional PRO-BLADE SSD.
I wish I had the equipment to make my own modded version.
When seeing this mod, the first thing I thought of is a removable, modular monitor for a future iteration of this camera, with a specific place to mount on the body, with of course a mount that is a part of the internal frame to the camera, to make it strong and rigid. Have the monitor on a swivel and hinge type of mounting arm. So that the monitor can rotate 180 degrees and also angle freely. This would give you almost unlimited control where you could view the monitor well, while working.
While I think this mod has a lot of promise, one thing I am not keen on, is filing down part of the housing to make a permanent change. To the camera housing case. Even being small, it still allows for an opening into the camera where, dirt, dust and debris can enter, thereby causing other unforeseen issues down the road. Especially in dirty filming environments.
I think the mod idea I have would be perfect with this V Mount location. There is definitely some ideas percolating in my mind how this camera would be the ultimate camera…. It is great in many areas. And with a few mods for these things, it would be revolutionary. 🤷♂️
Why you dont just the battery grip? I dont see this any better than using the grip
There's also side handles that can accept batteries and that can be a way to power any camera really
Pledged! I think this looks really promising. I have two P4Ks and this could potentially turn one of them into a more nimble set up. Willing to give it a try!
I've always used them with external monitors rigged to top handles, which is the main reason I've added the top handle for anyway. Carrying the camera and resting between shots are secondary uses, but I rarely find myself using the handle while recording.
The way this places the monitor on top of the camera, and much closer to the body compared to attaching it to a handle, while also freeing up the HDMI port to be used with a transmitter rather than an extra monitor is really good. Plus you run power and video feed to the monitor over the same cable, giving you a much cleaner build without external batteries or power cables to D-tap and extruding HDMI ports.
With a half cage on the left side like you showed, you can still rig up a rod with follow focus and keep the small footprint.
The only things that I can see as possible limitations are if you want to add a shotgun microphone or an easyrig. But I'm sure that can be worked around somehow.
Great to see that you can still improve these cameras all these years later. Would be very interested to see a gen 2 of this solution for the 6K Pro with internal NDs, with some thoughts to how you can improve further and allow for more versatile builds.
Now we just need BM to support more anamorphic ratios natively, which is another drawback from getting rid of the external monitor.
Great concept but I love rigging my camera. Not only for looks but adding more functionality to it.
it would be best if he could replace the ribbon cable with some sort of connection where you could actually put the LCD anywhere.. this set up = no full cage, no handle..
Here’s the problem with this entire thing. You now can not attach a shotgun mic or top handle. You’re going to go handheld on a camera that has no ibis (yes it’s got gyro but it’s going to crop on your image more than a crop sensor already does) . I’m sure Blackmagic thought about this and realized this isn’t as good of an idea as it seems. This isn’t a photography camera it’s a cinema camera it’s supposed to be rigged out. I give it 1 month until people start realizing the problems with this.
where tf are you going to put your SSD? Don’t tell me we’re going to have to buy cfast cards now which are inanely expensive. Lastly YOU DOING THE INSTALLATION yourself is probably going to void your warranty so if you screw up IT OVER. This whole idea creates more problems than it solves
I would love to see this done with the BMCC 2.5k & 4k cameras
This video did not need to be 24min. All filler.
One of the solution to the battery is to run dummy battery straight from the vmount. So the charging power wouldn't be touched and can charge the camera forever.
cool concept but without a cage and top handle it's no go for daily video application. If you don't need those things, this is awesome.
It’s super cool. But the two complaints I have, is that you cant remove the monitor and you can’t put a half cage on it. I still want to be able to put a side or top handle on it and incorporate the SSD. So hopefully I get will be fixed. And no offense but the quarter cages suck. Has to be half cage for me.
I wonder if he could move the menu buttons so that they are also on the screen? Then you can use any size v mount.
This really solves so many issues and I love that. My biggest issue is screen replacements, I've never had any luck getting my bmpcc4K screen repaired after it delaminated through no damage I did to the point only some parts of the screen are touch-capable. I'd kill to just find a replacement screen so I can start using this camera again. BlackMagic was no real help.
love this idea, but i'm already 6 min in getting impatient. some of these videos i really just want the information, and don't want to skip thru your stuff to get to it. would love if you made condensed versions. or cut them up for shorts? i skipped to how to get the mod, and we got two talking heads back and forth still for another minute to find out it's a kit that seems to be modded off another designers kit? this looks good, but that ribbon on the monitor is not going to last long at all. i have 3 6ks, i would love to mod them if we can figure a solution to give better protection to that monitor ribbon.
It does not look so great. Not sure corporate customers would appreciate the look of this camera :D.
I got BMPCC6k myself, but not sure I would like this mod. And as someone mentioned in the comments already, lack of the top handle might be deal breaker for many.
This is great, it emulates a RED! The irony of you showing thos camera rigged out, at the beginning, is that of folks ponied up a few more bucks the URSA and URSA minis are a far more superior setup out of the box.
What has Blackmagic actually fixed tho?? Aside from the usless changes nothing was fixed... this is a just a sponsored BMPCC meat ride
I hope dude was able to patent this. If not Blackmagic Designs is no doubt stealing his design for their next cinema camera. 😂
Great idea but no top handle no party. To be able to relocate the monitor just slightly he should have used a normal thin cable, so you can also fold it back when the vmount is not thee. Also he should have put a nato rail or a sort of cheeseplate instead of that single 1/4-20 to move that monitor or add a top handle/accessories, that's a dealbreaker. Good for a very very basic use
This modification makes this camera more suitable to grab and go. Take it out of your bag, add a lens and battery, and you're ready to start capturing footage, mostly B roll, for extended hours.
This mod doesn't suit this camera for documentary work. This mod interferes with adding a shotgun and mic and a lav mic system to your camera.
Like a lot of tools, this modification is for some and not for others.
Does it do portable mobile livestreams and have stability technology? My biggest dilemma is finding a camera that will Mobile livestream and be able to connect to a hotspot via phone and have stability technology without a gimbal
I don't have problem with my bmpcc 4k battery problem
because I have the undermounted tripod mount battery
yeah that's a thing too lolll
you can get a wall plug to vlock adapter cable so that way you can run off mains... i'd recommend using one battery for this purpose though, as it probably ruins the charge hold in the long run.
This one is quite the revolution! When I chose my video rig, the only reason I didn't get the bmpcc was because the screen placement seemed idiotic. Hope this modder gets hired by blackmagic to work on their next serial product... An SSD holder would make it even more complete
That rubber cable is very easy to to break, they have to change the design of it, I mean should be something to protect the thing something like a hinge I don’t know
D&O Lighting used to sell a v-mount brick that lets you plug it into a wall. It was basically a power adapter that fits into a v-mount battery plate. I don’t know if they still sell it, but if they do you could use it to power your cameras from wall power. That’s what I do.
It was the F&V V-Mount AC Power Adapter that I got. I remembers this because I ordered a 2nd one for my b camera yesterday. The lemo power port on my bmpcc 4k cameras tend to break a lot so I needed to use these and a v-mount plate if I wanted to run my cameras on wall power.
It's interessting!! But...
1- What about the Mic Place XLR (for Sound)?
2- In this case, It could be easy for blackmagic to do It: "Just give the opción on the EVF place (Shoes) to use it also with A Portable HDMI on the of the EVF as well". And eliminate the screen in the back, and replace It by a VL Battery mount shoes in screen place. In theory, it's seems not so complicate to do. (JUST USING THE EVF SHOES FOR THE HDMI OPTION)
3- THE ONLY PROBLEM could be THE MIC SHOES OPTION: "replacing the Mic Shoes position, in a perfect place (where we have not to choose between "HDMI and Battery" AGAINST "Sounds and Mic Shoes").
I am very curious about this camera, how's the stabilisation and do u have to use this in da Vinci resolve? I wish had the NDs still.
Why doesn't blackmagic make a cube camera already!
they just did....pyxis
dang, I recently sold my pocket 4k, may grab a 6k to try this to pair with the 6k pro
This is the worst design than black magic... Becoz u can use top handle and cage...
I could see it maybe for a broll camera only. The worst part of the design is if your using this camera with a shotgun mic on top for certain style of videos.
This mod would be EVEN BETTER if they sandwiched a distro box with sdi, hdmi, audio, dtaps, etc BETWEEN THE BODY AND THE V-mount plate.
Just get a box camera, there are so many! The BMPCC form factor is a complete breath of fresh air from the nonstop consumer/youtube-based demand for a "box camera" I put my V-mount on the side and use the wonderful screen and amazing hand grip in Doc work that is not fixed to the shoulder. they made something different and the boring world can't handle it. if you are an actual filmmaker please give it a go, and make a film as it is before getting swept up in this unnecessary money pit. A top handle and pistol grip with NDs instantly accessible is a vérité Dream.
I would love to pledge for this, but the risk of "Rewards aren’t guaranteed" is very spooky.
I has many problems, the fact that you can't use a cage makes it unusable for me, especially for the lack of top handle and attachment threads all around.
Also, the horizontal placement of the battery forcing to use a nano battery is not good. There are many types of v-mount, and not everybody invested in SWX Core nano, or FXLion, or this specific size. I need to use big batteries too, but it looks like they would cover the buttons. And it doesn't allow to use sandwich items like power distribution plates or wireless transmitters, that are made to keep the rig very very compact.
However, these interesting mods are a symptom of Blackmagic refusal to acknowledge the needs of the Pocket users. A camera with a box form factor and a battery plate behind the body. Otherwise, as soon as one was to rig it a bit seriously, a rod system is needed with stuff 5-10 cm far from the monitor and the camera quickly becomes longer and more cumbersome than an Ursa, that's ridiculous (and it's the reason I won't buy any more "pocket" cameras like these anymore).
Just get a 68w Auton Bauer Titon base battery everyone and all your problems will be solved. I don’t know why most people want to rig their batteries in the back of the camera… it isn’t practical. Put it at the bottom, and you will never struggle for any application (handheld, tripod, etc…). You also don’t loose the cage compatibility and can add accessories wherever on the camera without the battery getting in your way.
I agree, the camera batteries are trash. This Auton battery lasts 3 hours powering both, the camera while recording, and a Teradek transmitter.
Also, just get the 6k pro which has a tilt screen for your screen issues 👍🏼
Sure, nice…but, no handle, no way to mount a teradek, no way to miunt motors ecc.. looks really cool for the youtuber but not really functional on a professional set
While at first I was excited for this, I quickly realized that it's not viable for several reasons:
1.The power connector is disabled. If I do an indoor interview shoot it's nice to not have to use batteries. This is also removes other power options, and if you have the 4K, using the Canon batteries isn't really a good one.
2.It's limited on the vmount batteries you can use. You can only use smaller ones because something bigger would block the buttons. And going back to point 1, since the power input is disabled, that means I can't use a bigger vmount to connect to it if I so desired.
3.The ribbon cable poking out is asking to be broken. A handle with a hot-shoe or pin connectors would have been better.
4.No cage. I love these cameras and I love rigging them. I can't mount a follow focus on this because I can't put a cage, no more handles, accessories, etc. I can't even mount a wireless monitoring system if I need to. They said they wanted to build this so you wouldn't need a cage, however cages are useful. What about using rails, or baseplates and the like?
All in all, I hope this does wake Blackmagic up and they come out with a new body and new system instead of just releasing the same body with "new" features. It's sad that people have to resort to modding their cameras in such a way.
And also, this mod makes this camera not fit any known cage built for the pocket cinema.
So, first of all… LOVE the concept. BUT…I feel this is a big big work around for little payoff. Your kind of committing your camera to this and this alone once your into it.
Is anyone using the Bluetooth app for the camera ?
Would there be a problem when re-selling the camera with this mod on? Even after somehow disassembling the camera and putting it back together the way it came originally, you'll still have this “coin sized-piggy bank-like hole” on the top that may not be too appealing to those who for whatever reason like to remain loyal to the original design… (got nothing against the mod, I think it's actually awesome… am just asking!)
nah, still not box format, which is actually what everyone dreamed of...
why not put an ssd slot behind the monitro connectet with extra cable inside monitor this would be mega awsm!!!
It's a dope solution but the monitor placement completely negates the ability to use a top handle or even a full cage. That a big issue for me personally
It baffles me that BlackMagic could have listened to its users years ago and made all these fixes easily and had a really popular camera become even more popular but didn’t and still hasn’t. A Komodo or Komodo X would have been the way to go for most and has, not to mention the better Dynamic Range and Memory Card options. IMO
The ergonomics of the Pocket Cameras will always be absolutely preposterous to me, it's amazing they're so successful considering how terrible they are for the type of shooting people use them for. The fact that people are having to mod a supposedly professional camera to make it usable is astounding, people shouldn't reward Blackmagic with their money when they have to do this sort of thing
Screen placement is extremely problematic unless you're a tripod only shooter.
The 6k's IR cut filter doesn't get damaged by dots? I always have to change the IR cut filter on my Black Magic 4K
First of all you lose the SSD mount on the top plate
Second the top handle usually houses my XLR shotgun or pencil mic and my XLR dual channel field recorder
A side follow focus handle can't be mounted unless I add an extension bottom cheese plate
Also loses the ability to balance on a gimbal at which it already was difficult to start with
It's a great mod but again it's a bandaid
Probably a rehousing mod to convert that camera to a boxed camera would do wonders
Maybe I am losing my mind here, but nobody could imagine a way to rig a V mount without blocking the screen? Really?
I have nothing against this mod, of course, but still...
16mm film cameras didn't have flip screens. Cinematography people (us) are the worst. There's no perfect camera. Never was, never will be.
It looks Amazing!!!!
the flexi for the screen shouldnt be exposided like that. verything is cool but the flexi will be a problem in the future.
For the love god. BLACKMAGIC please implement this design for the next 6K FULL FRAME PRO
Why dont they redesign the pocket cam so it can take a larger battery instead of that huge vmount battery on back. Sony a7sii had the same issue with those small batteries and they changed and made the cams take bigger ones and batteries arent an issue. Also its disappointing that this is a mod and not offered by blackmagic. With cameras like the sony fx30 which has amazing image quality, good battery life, ai autofocus.. i dont see how bmpcc can compete.
PLEASE. This is not new camera. Is Mod Pod kit update for who didn’t understand. You can have it also for 4K.
This is one of the most stupid mods i've ever seen... You can buy a tiny little vmount plate, attach it to the top, or bottom and use a 5" monitor with a tiny magic arm, and you get the same functionality with full of the usability... The problem of the Pocket cam is not the screen, is the bulky design...
This is so cool! We need it for the BMC 6K full fraaaaame
interesting but idk, no top handle? monitor mounted on top when carrying it in your bag? that mount better be strong... I get the point but I'd rather other options, like buying an fx3 as I did lol (jk)
Flippy screen on the 6K is sensational. I have the Tilta mod. Not rigging the camera out stays true to its SLR form and makes it my every day carry.
Thats cool.❤
Great fixes. I used alot of 4k, 6k and 6k pro. One other very big issue for me was the reliability. We have had 2 6k pro and both of them were in repair within the first year.
In the end this was the main reason why I moved away from them. Very annoying when ghe camera dies infront of the client. Multiple times
I'm tempted to buy in, really. But the issue around V-mount bugs me - I use Gold mount for all of my kit. Seeing as the shape of the plate isn't standard (I might be wrong), I am concerned that I just won't be able to use my batteries with it. Would be nice to have some sort of clarification about this!
yea gold mount is standard but harder to find. It's a better locking solution overall though, v mount is just more popular. I have all v moutns, honestly wish I had all gold mounts. whoops! lol I bet if it goes well, they'll offer a gold plate option. I'd check their page.
Would have been better if the monitor wasn't hard mounted but instead was mounted on something like NATO rails and the ribbon cable had some connector and we could run some extension cable. That way there's still option to use a full cage together with all the accessories if needed and it would make external monitors not needed in large amount of cases.
I like how they say “the battery is unreliable “ and then proceed to show the bargain basement trash that are known industry wide to fail randomly 😅😅😂. Stop it, get some help.
You don't "need" to use V-mount, I build my setup with NP-F batteries, i am using 10k mAh Batteries and one battery lasts me 3-4 hours. Plus i dont block my screen (that was the point of my setup), also, monitors and many lights also use NP-F so i have like 8 huge NP-F batteries and can use then for whatever.
Huge in the sense that they have large capacity, they're actually smaller than regular v-mount and the size as the smaller v-mount batteries.
Having the screen on top like that just means one day someone or something is going to snap it off.
This is great! maybe the display hinge/cable could use some redesing still though, to protect the cable and make possible to flip down the display when battery is not attached for transport.
Thanks for sharing; for me I would like a pro camera shop do the installation of the kit, just to be on the "Safe-side"!
Did you happen ask why they didnt go for adding a monitor cable port on body and monitor so a more robust longer cable can be used to relocate the screen? That seems to be the only thing this thing is missing. Having the screen fixed to the top like that and not being able to use a top handle is kinda strange as most people use one for handheld work.
The ribbon of LCD might accidentally ripped by mistake?...😁
if it would be possible to change the screen to a higher nit one because its a pity the the bmd screen has such a low nit which makes it impossible under the sun even with a shade. the power consumptin would be covered by the vmount battery however the sccreen if available would probably be expensive,
Thats why I TREASURE my flip screen modified BMPCC!!
Camera is best in a cage, with top handle. V mount options are easy to come by on a rail system and throw your monitor on top. This is cool, but I think a tad late to the party. We all have our solutions now.
This is great. Though why not just get the new micro studio that has the 4K sensor in it, SDI and adapt to v mount. Though I suppose there’s no screen.
Why not rotate the V-Mount plate by 180° so that potentially protruding batteries don't block buttons?