Madam Web was never meant to be an active hero. She's a stereotypical "Spiritual Guide" meant to give mystic wisdom to the heroes and villains that cross her path. She's a "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this." character. She's in the same category as the Oracle from The Matrix, the wizard Shazam or The Ancient One from Doctor Strange... Making that movie is such a weird decision.
When I saw the title I didn't believe it. WHY would, of ALL the awesome characters in Spider-Man, they decide "You know what we should do? We should do a MADAM WEB movie! But we make her gay, and we make her fucking lame!" She's GONNA be gay, there's FOUR women in this movie, she's gonna be gay.
They are cherry picking and reconning a story arc where madame webb helps the spider-women that were being attacked by a power syphoning baddie. This is Madame Webb in name alone.
She’s a mysterious guide, not guy-in-the-chair, like spider man is never quite sure if she’s helping him or pursuing her own agenda that happens to align with his at the moment. Could be awesome but god this is so awful.
Ethnically diverse group of women ✅ Fighting a man ✅ Perfect in every way ✅ Coming together to battle the patriarchy ✅ The reviews are almost writing themselves
I live within a very short walking distance of a co-worker of mine. We both ride motorcycles every chance we get. We would be superheroes, but unfortunately we're white men. The connection only works if you are diverse women.
Hollywood finally had an actual excuse to hire an elderly woman and make her a badass, but they blew it. Madam Web is supposed to be an elderly sage, but they just made her into another Spider-Woman/Silk/Spider-Gwen.
Not in the comics for a long time though, the original Madam Web was killed by Kraven's kids in 2010 Grim Hunt story arc and replaced by Julia Carpenter, former second Spider-Woman.
Yeah, it's garbage exposition shit loading. Definitely SNL level stuff. "Yes a casually name drop and recount details to things I wasn't there for to strangers I just met in order for plot to move along." It's like our president reading stuff off his queue cards.
It was probably a South American wandering spider. But in the words of Crocodile Dundee, Australia’s Funnel Web Spider “Can kill a man just by lookin at ‘im.”
The dialogue is so brutally clunky. "He was in the Amazon when my mom was researching spiders." Oh would this be the mom we've never heard of before this convenient plot device?
It sucks that we have to use the phrase “It looks like a CW series” as an insult. Because the CW USED to have good, or decent at best, superhero shows on their network. Then as the years went on the shows got worse. More cheap, more embarrassingly low effort. Which is unfortunate.
The question is really what difference does the character being black actually make at all?... None, so why is it a problem for Gundam, and why is that the moment he decides it's time to stop caring... 🤔
@renji0002 yeah wouldn't surprise me honestly. Like I get the whole idea that diversity just for the sake of diversity is not great and obviously doesn't equal success or good movies, but come on, a traditionally white character gets a black actor cast to play them in a new series of movies and you decide this is the moment to stop watching... It's moments like these that remind me that a good chunk of the population are not self aware at all, and are completely oblivious to their own bs
@@lucasbennett7717Spoken like a true normie. Like someone said here, what's wrong with race swapping all red heads into black person? Or let's swap black panther into a white man next since that's in fashion now right? Just dumb!
@@lucasbennett7717 This tired old argument again? It's pretty obvious that the reason people are tired of swaps isn't because of the color they become, but because they're changed for the sheer sake of tokenization and politics to begin with. It's a red flag that signals the overall tone and respect towards the source material of the entire movie, and it has a very high rate of being on point. Just because you gladly eat the slop you are fed doesn't mean everyone else finds it palatable. You talk about self awareness, but you're making such a dishonest argument here.
I love that part where the girl says all snippy, "Yeah, you almost ran me over" then cuts to a scene where she's skating down the middle of the road right towards the rig.
I almost got hit by someone walking in Wal mart Parking lot but do I have a photographic memory that I remember the individual with crystal clarity? Hell, I can't even remember the face of my doctor. I hate plot points like this.
If "Venom", "Morbius", "Kraven" and "Madame Web", were for the purpose of building a Spider-man Universe where these characters were promised to run into Spider-man at some point in a future film, they would make sense. As it is, they are just random, silly, pointless films building to nothing.
At least the first three can work on their own as they have their own comics as a lead. Like if you're already a fan you don't really need to know much about the characters.
A lot of people who don't follow Spider-Man comics aren't aware that Ezekiel Sims - the villain of this movie - was originally a mentor and buddy to Spider-Man, an all-around cool guy and pretty interesting character. The fact that they turned him into a villain who's tryna smack the glass ceiling down on these strong powerful wahmen is ANOTHER uncanny similarity to Captain Marvel/ The Marvels, who did something incredibly similar to Marr-Vell
@@stalhandske9649 In Ezekiel's case, it was J. Michael Straczynski, the "Babylon 5" guy. He was trying to "expand the mythos" or something, trying to put his own spin on things. For the most part, he was a fairly solid writer for Spider-Man, then Joe Quesada ordered him to write "One More Day" and forced him to put his name to it (Straczynski hated it and wanted to disavow any connection he had to that piece of crap). After that he stopped giving any effs, and that paved the way for Dan Sloott to move his corpulent tuchus into the driver's seat.
In the comics Madame Web is paralyzed and blind and pretty much on life support. The machine to keep her alive looks like a throne of spiderwebs. Maybe they misread paraplegic and made her a paramedic. Also...why did they rac-swap two characters when there's Silk, who's a korean woman and actually one of the more popular Spider-Women?
Because woke Hollywood can't have an Asian actress and a black actress in roles opposite each other. To be woke is to discriminate against Asians and whites, don't you know that?
So you wanted a movie about an old blind physically disabled lady who reacts to things that aren't actually there? 😂 That can work ok in a comic or cartoon, but not so much in live-action... Btw, these are all characters from the comics so Idk what the problem is there.
@@Adventist1997 Exactly my point. It doesn't work. They just wanted to make a Groundhog Day/Happy Death day/ Final Destination kind of movie with race-swapped C-Tier Comic Book heroes
In the comics wasn’t she a frail, blind, old woman? She also never appeared as a main character, just a side support… but who cares she’s a woman (somehow much younger and not disabled like her comic counterpart) so she must have her own movie/show in Marvel’s eyes.
Even from the trailers, you can tell that Dakota Johnson is phoning it in. It's always a great sign when your lead actress looks like she doesn't want to be there lmao
They told her "you're going to be the title character in a Marvel movie! This is huge!!" Then she looked up what her character is supposed to be and realized that's how Hollywood casting directors think of her.
also did anyone else notice she desperately tells the women to get off the train. but just lets the cops who are trying to save her die as she runs away?
Then vvhamens cheer! They cheer all the way up until they need to call them for help. Vvhamens also cheer that they don't need no man, until something in their house or car breaks, then they IMMEDIATELY need a man.
The one thing I will say in this thing's favor: the Spider-Sense is arguably the ability to see one second into the future, so a Spider-person seeing minutes into the future is actually a neat idea. Everything else is, as you said, happening because of licensing. Madame Web is the older mentor character who can't throw down like a champ anymore but can occasionally point the young pup in the right direction. I can think of at least three Spider-Women and she is none of them. The studio wanted a woman to jump around in spandex and Madame Web was the name they had access to.
I can't wait for Gundam to review Madam Web when it come out as a person who loved anime I prefer Gundam to compare it on an anime like he did to She-Hulk and compare it to Demon Slayer and tell everyone that Japan makes better content than western I really hope he compare every isekai anime to The Boys also
Ive never seen Final Destination but it sounds like basically the Spider-Verse comics already if you just replace death with Morlun the vampire right??? SONY SHOULD'VE MADE THAT MOVIE INSTEAD OF THIS!
I love how the one girl was mad at her for almost running her over in an AMBULANCE while SHE was riding in the middle of the road! Entitlement at its finest!
The very notion that a woman can encounter a man without being either the most important person in his life or surpass him in importance is utterly unthinkable to current Marvel writers. Madame Web is a great supporting character but supporting character is the role that suits her best. Her gimmick is even tied to that of a pre-existing male hero. Not every supporting female character needs to be thrust into the role of protagonist or deuteragonist. The inverse is rarely even attempted even where it might be successful. There is no Tuxedo Mask spin-off to Sailor Moon because no one is clamoring for one.
Y'know what? I've revised my opinion. There is such a thing as superhero fatigue. Not because genre fans *actually* stop liking their pet genres of course, that's absurd. No, it's just that... the superhero genre has been so thoroughly co-opted and run into the ground by weird sociocultural saboteurs that the very notion of a costumed hero is now tainted by those same people. You can't divorce one from the other anymore without difficulty.
the fatigue i am getting is the desperate attempts at trying to catch lightning of the phase 1 and 2 of MCU. It is a one and done kinda thing folks in hollyweird. Please stop dipping into the Marvel grab bag of characters and retconning them to girl bosses.
I'm not tired of superhero movies as a general rule, but it's definitely a huge problem when people start to expect that superhero movie = shit. I didn't even lift an eyebrow when Love and Thunder was announced because the MCU had already become a reliable political propaganda machine by that point. I would've needed convincing and assurance that it was actually good to have an interest in seeing it, and the same has been the case with every other MCU project and even Disney production in general for years now.
@@MomoAfterDark No, they're adaptations of great things adapted by the likes of Seth Rogen which have already stepped away from the source material to indulge in grating post modern nonsense with a virtual guarantee they're gonna shoehorn in more of the same later. Thanks but no thanks, I already had to watch Lucifer, Preacher, and Sandman all get the same treatment.
Well, pretty much everyone predicted that the whole woke movie thing wouldn't go out with a whisper or a bang, but has to be dragged out spitting, kicking and screaming. And we're seeing it happening.
My mind says, "Look, the babysitters club is in Highschool now." I've got to say, this makes me think someone used AI to write this thing, and they used every tween adventure book as a big part of their data set. After enduring the trailer, I think I might be right.
When they brought their individual spider vehicles together to morph into that giant Spider Bot and they defeated the toxic male Kaiju I webbed all over myself and I was like "SLAAAAY SPIDER QUEEN"
You leave Leopardon out if this trivle, else World Martial Arts champion Supaidaman will come back for revenge! Dear god, the fact that the japanese Spiderman show is actually better than most of this shlock thats written today is sad.
This trailer tells me everything I need to know about the movie. I mean that literally -- it contained every major plot point and revealed every crucial detail, except maybe for a third act costume change. Ooooooh can't wait for that.
How to make a Sequel or Reboot according to modern day sci-fi fantasy writers: P - PANDER. Pander as hard as you possibly can to women and minorities, but make sure that men are treated like garbage. U - UNDERCUT any old heroes. Make them look as weak, pathetic and useless as you possibly can, ensuring that anyone who identified them feels like crap. T - TRUST that audience will gobble up any slop you throw at them A - ATTACK any critics as "ist-aphobes" C - CALL all fan theories "dumb" to rub salt into the wound H - HATE anyone who isn't of the correct gender/skin tone I - IGNORE any of the lore or backstory of the world C - CRITICISE the original story for not being "diverse" enough K - KILL any negative reviews by "incentivising" review sites to delete them IN-clude as many deconstructive tropes as possible IT-erate the story by including random multiverses for no reason AND most importantly...MAKE IT GAY. This can be shortened to the helpful acronym "P.UT. A. C.H.I.C.K. IN. IT. AND MAKE IT GAY!"
You forgot they also need to be lame. Though that could easily be fixed by having them get kicked on the ankle at the start and spend the entire movie limping.
Most of that is not what is happening here, this is set BEFORE Peter Parkers Spiderman. And it's Uncle Ben who saves Cassandra Web from drowning when she gets stuck in the falling car. Thus isn't an all men are bad movie.
They didn't just make Nick Fury black, they made him look like Samuel L. Jackson, the spitting image of an action hero in the late 90s, for the Ultimate universe. Jackson was gentlemanly enough to strike a deal with Marvel over the unauthorized use of his likeness, guaranteeing for himself the role in Marvel movie projects. Of all the raceswaps in Disney and Marvel canon, Nick Fury's is probably the LEAST gratuitous. The Sony Spiderverse was supposed to be a thing as far back as the Amazing Spider-Man movies. There was even a scene in TASM2 that was the setup for the Sinister Six film, as it showed the villain equipment for several villains, all set up and ready to go, in Oscorp's basement. After things like that, I knew the Sony Spiderverse was going to be lame.
Also the black Nick Fury was just Ultimate Nick, the 616 one was (and still is) white. And 616 black one? That's OG Nicks kid/grandkid iirc, the white one is still up and about.
We have never had a problem with raceswapped roles if it's awesome. The problem with most of them nowadays is they're so contrived and force-fed to us.
@@FantasyremixExactly, if they just opened up and said "yes, the character is white, however actor X is incredible and this is why we've done it..." Instead it's always denial/accusations and delusional takes on reality.
At least the original Fury, who looked like David Hasselhoff, was actually a veteran of foreign wars, unlike the M-She-U Samuel L Jackson, ‘Furry’ who was an office jockey that acted like he had done more.
I fell asleep the other night while watching UA-cam and woke up to an ad playing the Madame Web trailer. I thought I was still asleep having a nightmare, it was so ridiculously bad.
That scene of Aunt May (that knows about the multiverse) drinking tea when Miles Morales gets back to put on his own original suit and she says "took you long enough..." as she sips her tea...THAT was the essence of Madame Web (even though they are different characters, I know...I know...)
If anything, this is a huge missed opportunity. One of the spider women is suppose to be Mattie Franklin, the niece of J. Jonah Jameson that he treated like a daughter. I think she’s the most underrated spider woman and she’s been dead for over a decade now. She’s not a mainstream character and this could’ve shed some light on her, instead she’s looked like she’s set up to be the token black character. It’s like how in birds of prey; instead of ultilizing Cassandra cains story and character, they just made her the Asian sidekick of Harley quinn
I don't think that is what they are doing at all, this is set BEFORE these girls get powers, which is why they need Madame Webs protection, because the bad guy wants to kill them before they do, because in the future, they gang up on him (possibly with Peter, whose mom is in the movie) to take him down, so he plans on killing them first. So we might in glimpses of the future, get the original stories for these girls too.
"She’s not a mainstream character and this could’ve shed some light on her, instead she’s looked like she’s set up to be the token black character." Well of course! How else are you supposed to end racism except by perpetuating it? Its the Hollywood way!
They're so confident that they can't write their own strong female character that they're practically screaming it at this point. Rather than using one of the hundreds of existing female Marvel characters and starting their own series using her, they've co-opted an elderly woman _just_ to ride on the coattails of Spider-Man's popularity. EDIT: _Of f*cking course_ the trailer uses a slow, minor key Billie Eilish pop song. The predictability is laughable at this point. This is going to bomb spectacularly.
@@Adventist1997- Madam Web is supposed to be an old woman who sees the threads of time & advises heroes like Spider-Man. She’s not a super-hero! Prep the B-1! Load the bomb bay!
A strong independent wahmen that don't need no man that should be under the umbrella of Spider-Man that doesn't need to be rewrote to work? Ummmmmm...... Black Cat?
I don't think it looks bad and my pronouns are the ones I was given at birth. I'm fine with a story of madam Web, so Idk why there's so much hate when we don't have much on the story. And judging how it looks based on the trailer? I thought Spider verse looked like trash, and honestly, it still is... But the story and action was good despite it visually hurting my eyes. 😂
Notice how the superpower makes her flawless - she can't lose because she always has hindsight... oh course! She's... Captain Hindsight! (See South Park)
the trope of reliving the same time period over and over is really popular right now so it's no surprise to see it make it into movies alongside video game "adaptations"
All I saw is Final Destination. All of us die, but when it's time for me to die time just rewinds and we can prevent it all from happening. It's FINAL DESTINATION 😕
The plot of the movie which I think was leaked a while ago is literally the plot of terminator meets groundhog Day with spiderman easter eggs which I found fxking hilarious
It’s funny to me that even with Sony’s misguided efforts to make Spider-man movies without Spider-man, they still manage to scrape together the weirdest, bottom of the barrel concepts. A Venom movie? Ye Venom’s got plenty of material to adapt centred around him. The Sinister 6? Maybe a few of them have their own brief stints as stand alone characters, and maybe with an ensemble you have enough to build a story on without Spider-man. Morbius? Now you’re getting to the point where you’re just making whatever generic sci-fi horror movie and putting a comic character’s name on it. Madame Web…? What? No.
Drinker made a good point that soon we might get comic book movies where in hindsight it might have been a mistake in making them because there isn't anymore a audience who would want to see them
Someone commented on the official trailer video that it looked like a fan film, and honestly that's pretty much the most apt description of this with the noted caveat that the people who made this are definitely not fans of the source material in any way shape or form
-Ghostbusters (2016) -Kate Bishop Hawkeye -Terminator Dark Fate -James Bond No Time to Die -Atomic Blonde -Oceans 8 -She-Hulk Attorney at Law -The CW's Batwoman -Doctor Who's 13th Doctor -The CW's Failed Live Action Powerpuff Girls that was SO BAD it didn't even Air -Ahsoka -The Marvels "Did I ever tell you the Definition of Insanity? Insanity is doing the same *FUCKING* thing over and over again expecting shit to change. That. Is. Crazy. ...I started seeing it everywhere I looked all these fucking Pricks doing the same FUCKING THING over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again Thinking that THIS TIME its gonna be DIFFERENT *no no no please THIS TIME* its gonna be DIFFERENT!" -Vass Montenegro; Far Cry 3; The definition of Insanity
I liked Atomic Blonde.... For one she at least got hurt. Blood, an unholy amount of bruises, a blown eye, cracked ribs. She took more damage in that one film than all the rest in your list combined. Also helps that Charlize is actually physically intimidating. She's almost 6' tall and spent her life doing actual punishing things. She's the Hollywood version of Michelle Yeoh. Had a career in ballet(which is extremely physical and all about pain management) and got hurt so couldn't do the millimeter perfect technical work anymore required to hit those jumps, went into films as an actress and stuntwoman, got hurt in a stunt and couldn't do some of that anymore, became more of a straight actress but still does lower level stunts. They've oddly parallel careers. And noone complains about Michelle Yeoh. I think it's because Charlize says things that do lead into the current trope of how bad the Strong Female Character has become, without people realizing she actually has led a life which lets her say those things. They just see the pretty blonde woman, not the person who's done things none of her male costars would even attempt. That and also didn't have Jackie Chan in the background for two decades pointing out everything she did.
@@halycon404 All Valid Points. Though sadly I don't believe the Movie made enough Money and its sadly VERY Clear that Hollywood WANTS more Charlizes but There aren't enough Women who fit that Bill. Not even the the Girls are 'playing pretend' to be that.
@@mitchellalexander9162 The movie tripled it's budget. No more of them because Lietch became one of the most wanted lower/mid budget action directors in Hollywood. No him, no movie. No one else can do stunt choreography of that level for such a small budget. He's been bouncing from movie to movie constantly at around one a year since the first John Wick. He's kinda become The Guy for the sub 100 million dollar budget action film. Most of them have been less than 50.
Here's an idea for how to do this character - she's an older lady, 50-60 something maybe, who has led a normal, unremarkable life, but has an interest in the occult. For reasons that are not important, she develops this ability to see the future, and is suddenly thrust into the role of saving people from disaster. With little physical strength and no contacts in the super-hero universe: she has to learn to use her guile as she is thrust into a criminal underworld world she has no previous experience of, to foil human-scale criminals with evil intent. I don't know if that would be a hit - but it would at least be *different* to what we're used to seeing.
That would be interesting, but it wouldn't serve their purpose, this movie has a bigger function in the story arc of the SSU and maybe eventually in the MCU. Madame Web is young and able bodied for a reason, this movie is a prequel of sorts for Spiderman (don't know if its MCU or SSU Spiderman yet, but a rumour has Spiderman 4 leaning heavily into SSU, possibly leading to a merger of the SSU and MCU.
The only thing that Sony has going for it with their Spider-Man rights is the animated movies and their deal with the MCU. That's it. Every time they try to do something with the rest of Spider-Man's characters it falls flat on its face. This trailer and Kraven the Hunter prove that no one on the marketing team or even the producers have an ounce of hope or care about the live-action movies to be profitable and a success. The only reason that they are doing this is to keep the brand because their deal with Marvel and their animated movies are the only ones making money for them. So, instead of doing this on-brand-but-also-off-brand spin-offs, they should just focus on what they can do with the animated universe.
It baffles me that film and TV companies thought they could just force us to like all this garbage, like they could just make us buy tickets and pay for subscriptions to watch shows we have no interest in watching
It's still the mentality of them being the only game in town when it comes to visual entertainment. Used to be watch whatever they put out, or don't watch anything at all. Now there's so many options, you could watch independent creators on UA-cam all day every day and still not get through a fraction of the quality content.
I miss the old Spiderman animated series. Favorite arc was when he was slowly mutating into like a were spider. Had the Punisher, Morbius and I think one other guest star come together to help him out.
Madam Web is, just like Morbius, a character that did not need a solo film. She's a supporting character in Spider-Man stories, and not been that often. Not to mention she's an old lady. But oh well, yet another girl boss team. When will they learn...
That's the movie I was thinking of the whole time I watched the trailer. I wonder if that's the "inspiration" for how they have her powers work? Looked pretty similar.
Gundam is such a light in his guest appearances. This is indeed the CW, and Holland's a co-star in his own relationship. They haven't been able to write a relatively masculine Spiderman since a few 2000s animated series.
Out of all the characters in Spider-Man's lore, Madame Web is such a weird choice to do a film on. They could have done a film on Spider-Gwen or Peni Parker (the cool anime-looking character from Into The Spider-Verse). Or, just a crazy thought, maybe just do a Sinister Six film and treat it like a heist movie, where the villains can just do their thing without trying to turn them into heroes. But seriously, the time of live-action superhero films is over now. Across the Spider-Verse has proven that there is money to be made in animation (although as long the budget isn't too big) and that's where future superhero films should go as well. If I were Sony, I would immediately green-light a brand-new Spider-Man cartoon film (more likely anime style), with a new voice actor for the character, and the title being: "Ultimate Spider-Man: Power and Responsibility". But even then, we all know that the Woke crap will only ruin it. That's the issue. No matter what new ideas are thought up to try and fix something, the people who are pushing this woke stuff that ruined what came before are going to take advantage because they can't take the idea of something that isn't theirs making money.
That seems to be their fastest way to bankruptcy - making movies on characters no one knows, then also changing that character to be a different race/gender/abilities/story.
The biggest problem is that these films lack a Spider-Man, Now apparently Sony can’t use Peter Parker but Ben Reilly exists(You can say Peter is married to MJ who is Pregnant) and focus on Ben having to struggle in this world with some of these characters doubting him and him proving he’s an Sensational Spider-Man(Get it?)
@@tjjordan4207 It’s not confirmed but I’ve heard several rumors that Sony in their own Spider-Man film Universe can’t use their own version of Peter Parker in live action, Spiderverse has different contract rules!
They are also making a Kraven movie, but Sony's problem is that they have rights to only so many heroes, so they are making everyone into one, despite them being villains in the comics (at least originally)
The problem with this move is trying to take an obscure character and minor characters that only work with an A-List hero and make a full-length film base around them. The bigger problem is trying to sell it to an audience that knows nothing about them. As an avid fan of Spider-Man comics, it's a tough sell to the audience of an Oracle-type character and make it a lead. 50 Shades of Spider-Man
Madam Web sounds like she would have been a better character in a Spider-Man film. An elderly oracle character that Peter Parker was drawn to because of their spider connection. He could keep visiting her through the film leading to a major outcome in the end that she helps him prepare for, maybe even something that opens a pandora's box for the next two films after that.
Im same as Gundam....the only reference i have for madame web is the old lady that just has the gift of foresight who helps peter parker....she never had the abilities of spiderman. Reminds me when Marissa Tomei was in talks with marvel about an Aunt May solo movie. They just closing the eyes and throwing dart at who gets a solo movie/show.
Movies like this are a godsend to perfectionists and neurotics like me. If you never put out anything for fear it isn't good enough, you allow garbage like this to take your place.
Honestly the movie could have been about a spider-person, either a version of Peter Parker or just someone in general from the spiderverse, having moments where the feel constant pounding headaches as if voices are crying out in pain and then vanishing and then that character finds themselves being chased by morlun and encounters madame web who guides them along with ezekiel to training to take on Morlun. I would end the movie with morlun beaten but not defeated. Like planning his return so we meet his family and set up like a crazy spiderverse event
@@jamoretz9149true, but in this movie, in the "current" time in the movie, they don't have their powers yet, only Madame Web does, even then only recently, which is why the villain is trying to kill them before they get their powers, because he knows they will defeat him (possibly with Peter Parker's help) decades later, after they get their powers.
Madam Web should have been a much older woman. There was a chance here to have an elderly super hero. That older, grey-haired woman on the train looks cool. She could have surrounded herself with younger characters to do the fighting. Ball. Dropped.
So let me get this straight. Four Spider related female characters, none of them all that popular, are fighting a bootleg Spider-Man, and this trailer is set to a track about sleep paralysis. Yep, that checks out.
For me, Madam Web was ancient, mysterious, interdimensional being from another reality and that was cool. This movie is as far from it as it could be. I see it as a movie about completely different person with different story and just using the same name.
This whole "Madame Web seeing the future" is really bringing back that EFAP debate with Mauler, Rags, Fringy, and Jay when they devolved into nonsense about whether spiders can see the future.
I’m just waiting for Dakota to pull a That’s So Raven and say, “Oh, snap!” to the camera. Why is Madame Web even getting a movie rather than just showing up in a Spidey film?!
"Madame" is a title of respect used mainly in non-English-speaking regions when addressing an "older woman", especially a "married woman" (quotes from various dictionaries), so which one of these high-school to 20-somethings was 'Madame Web'?.
Most of Marvel's 1960s characters are pretty simple and you get their relative scope in the first issue, if not the first ten. I'm noticing that many characters post 1973 or so get way too convoluted to distill into one film. Which is probably why Captain Marvel isn't clicking. Comics Carol has a long roller coaster of a history that just didn't get compressed into a movie very well.
Wonder Woman was hot & a total badass plus she got decades of legacy. Stick Carol Danvers in the Black & Gold she might of had a shot. Start with hot then show her as a total badass and then build to creating a lasting legacy.
Madam Web was never meant to be an active hero. She's a stereotypical "Spiritual Guide" meant to give mystic wisdom to the heroes and villains that cross her path. She's a "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this." character. She's in the same category as the Oracle from The Matrix, the wizard Shazam or The Ancient One from Doctor Strange... Making that movie is such a weird decision.
When I saw the title I didn't believe it. WHY would, of ALL the awesome characters in Spider-Man, they decide "You know what we should do? We should do a MADAM WEB movie! But we make her gay, and we make her fucking lame!"
She's GONNA be gay, there's FOUR women in this movie, she's gonna be gay.
Everything marvel has done in the past 10 years has been a weird decision.
They are cherry picking and reconning a story arc where madame webb helps the spider-women that were being attacked by a power syphoning baddie. This is Madame Webb in name alone.
She’s a mysterious guide, not guy-in-the-chair, like spider man is never quite sure if she’s helping him or pursuing her own agenda that happens to align with his at the moment. Could be awesome but god this is so awful.
Exactly.
Ethnically diverse group of women ✅
Fighting a man ✅
Perfect in every way ✅
Coming together to battle the patriarchy ✅
The reviews are almost writing themselves
They are writing themselves 💯💯💯😂😂
it's almost as though they want UA-camrs to make money.
If I didn't know better I'd think studios are making films and series to make youtubers $$$$.
Bombing at the box office because of wokeness - priceless
You forgot white male villain
I remember when I was a little girl my grandmother told me "I dont care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was a spider."
Yeah, my grandmother also told me that Octavian and Mark Antony were flies
This sent me💀💀💀
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Get a new bit. You are at Disney levels of unfunny overused tropey bullshit.
Normy comment humor is worse than Disney ladyhumor
The other girls saying “hey I’ve seen you near where I live, we’re all connected somehow” Is genius levels of writing
"Like Ohmygawd!"
I live within a very short walking distance of a co-worker of mine. We both ride motorcycles every chance we get. We would be superheroes, but unfortunately we're white men. The connection only works if you are diverse women.
@@JoeBManco and you can't be connected to a woman and be important either... like the casual death of her coworker who she spends a ton of time with.
Wanna see how it goes, but her friends seem either irrelevant or annoying, but probably pointless
@@gabrielboorom2683😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hollywood finally had an actual excuse to hire an elderly woman and make her a badass, but they blew it. Madam Web is supposed to be an elderly sage, but they just made her into another Spider-Woman/Silk/Spider-Gwen.
Not in the comics for a long time though, the original Madam Web was killed by Kraven's kids in 2010 Grim Hunt story arc and replaced by Julia Carpenter, former second Spider-Woman.
@Ocelot835 we only read the good comics, though
Madame Webb in modern comics is not elderly anymore?? But go off
@@notTroddn Original is the only version I can take seriously
@@Ocelot835 jesus christ thats awful.
The part where she mentions her mom mysteriously dying in the Amazon while she was researching spiders is Saturday Night Live material.
I laughed so hard at that 😂 This is one of the worst edited trailers I’ve seen. It’s all over the place.
Yeah, it's garbage exposition shit loading. Definitely SNL level stuff. "Yes a casually name drop and recount details to things I wasn't there for to strangers I just met in order for plot to move along." It's like our president reading stuff off his queue cards.
It was probably a South American wandering spider. But in the words of Crocodile Dundee, Australia’s Funnel Web Spider “Can kill a man just by lookin at ‘im.”
Really sounds like ChatGPT generated.
And not even good SNL material tbh
“That man is trying to kill you, he doesn’t like diversity as our strength”😂 I hurt myself laughing so hard
What're the odds that line is actually IN the movie?
@@gabrielboorom2683 not zero
"Their periods have all synced up". Drinker, that is one of the best lines you have ever delivered.
100% she will retcon the famous Spider Man line and she will say to Uncle Ben "with great power comes great responsibility"
With great power comes no accountability.
@@Lonovavir *With girl power comes no accountability
Can definitely see this happening
We already basically had that happen in the last Spider-Man film where they gave the line to aunt may. But yeah I can 1000% see them doing it.
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It’s been compared to a CW show instead of an actual movie. I definitely see it.
That villain costume, yikes
Even CW shows are better than this fucking shit. Sony Marvel and MCU are terribles.
The dialogue is so brutally clunky. "He was in the Amazon when my mom was researching spiders." Oh would this be the mom we've never heard of before this convenient plot device?
Yore not the Flesh berry, we are 🌈 *The Flash* 🌈
It sucks that we have to use the phrase “It looks like a CW series” as an insult. Because the CW USED to have good, or decent at best, superhero shows on their network. Then as the years went on the shows got worse. More cheap, more embarrassingly low effort. Which is unfortunate.
We all know that she’s going to be the one to tell uncle Ben “with great power comes great responsibility.”
"Look old man, with White Privilege comes great misogyny!"
It will actually hurt
So basically doing a very Madem Web thing that she would do in the original?
Booooo...
*Responsitrilitance
Madame web is a paralyzed, blind, telepathic, clairvoyant, and precognitive mutant, in the comics, she didn't see that coming?
She saw it coming. She let it happen for victim points.
"I'm not racist, I'm just tired"
That made me laugh out loud
The question is really what difference does the character being black actually make at all?... None, so why is it a problem for Gundam, and why is that the moment he decides it's time to stop caring... 🤔
@renji0002 yeah wouldn't surprise me honestly. Like I get the whole idea that diversity just for the sake of diversity is not great and obviously doesn't equal success or good movies, but come on, a traditionally white character gets a black actor cast to play them in a new series of movies and you decide this is the moment to stop watching... It's moments like these that remind me that a good chunk of the population are not self aware at all, and are completely oblivious to their own bs
@@lucasbennett7717Spoken like a true normie. Like someone said here, what's wrong with race swapping all red heads into black person? Or let's swap black panther into a white man next since that's in fashion now right? Just dumb!
@@lucasbennett7717 This tired old argument again? It's pretty obvious that the reason people are tired of swaps isn't because of the color they become, but because they're changed for the sheer sake of tokenization and politics to begin with. It's a red flag that signals the overall tone and respect towards the source material of the entire movie, and it has a very high rate of being on point. Just because you gladly eat the slop you are fed doesn't mean everyone else finds it palatable. You talk about self awareness, but you're making such a dishonest argument here.
It's funny because it's true.
I love that part where the girl says all snippy, "Yeah, you almost ran me over" then cuts to a scene where she's skating down the middle of the road right towards the rig.
Typical young people. Think the whole motherfucking world revolves around them.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, really.
Yeah, that part actually got a laugh out of me. I don't think it was supposed to, but it was the one thing I could see happening in real life.
No accountability for her own actions? Sounds legit actually.
I almost got hit by someone walking in Wal mart Parking lot but do I have a photographic memory that I remember the individual with crystal clarity? Hell, I can't even remember the face of my doctor. I hate plot points like this.
"Their periods have synched up together." Well duh, that's how girlbosses form a coven.
If "Venom", "Morbius", "Kraven" and "Madame Web", were for the purpose of building a Spider-man Universe where these characters were promised to run into Spider-man at some point in a future film, they would make sense. As it is, they are just random, silly, pointless films building to nothing.
At least the first three can work on their own as they have their own comics as a lead. Like if you're already a fan you don't really need to know much about the characters.
A lot of people who don't follow Spider-Man comics aren't aware that Ezekiel Sims - the villain of this movie - was originally a mentor and buddy to Spider-Man, an all-around cool guy and pretty interesting character.
The fact that they turned him into a villain who's tryna smack the glass ceiling down on these strong powerful wahmen is ANOTHER uncanny similarity to Captain Marvel/ The Marvels, who did something incredibly similar to Marr-Vell
Ezekiel Sims? Who writes these characters, Charles Dickens?
I was about to comment about Ezekiel, but you said it first and better than I could’ve
@@stalhandske9649 In Ezekiel's case, it was J. Michael Straczynski, the "Babylon 5" guy. He was trying to "expand the mythos" or something, trying to put his own spin on things.
For the most part, he was a fairly solid writer for Spider-Man, then Joe Quesada ordered him to write "One More Day" and forced him to put his name to it (Straczynski hated it and wanted to disavow any connection he had to that piece of crap). After that he stopped giving any effs, and that paved the way for Dan Sloott to move his corpulent tuchus into the driver's seat.
I think they may be swapping him for Morlun.
'Mar-vell' was an old lady played by Annette Benning and was killed off after about 2 minutes of screentime without accomplishing anything
In the comics Madame Web is paralyzed and blind and pretty much on life support. The machine to keep her alive looks like a throne of spiderwebs. Maybe they misread paraplegic and made her a paramedic. Also...why did they rac-swap two characters when there's Silk, who's a korean woman and actually one of the more popular Spider-Women?
Because woke Hollywood can't have an Asian actress and a black actress in roles opposite each other. To be woke is to discriminate against Asians and whites, don't you know that?
So you wanted a movie about an old blind physically disabled lady who reacts to things that aren't actually there? 😂 That can work ok in a comic or cartoon, but not so much in live-action... Btw, these are all characters from the comics so Idk what the problem is there.
@@Adventist1997 Exactly my point. It doesn't work. They just wanted to make a Groundhog Day/Happy Death day/ Final Destination kind of movie with race-swapped C-Tier Comic Book heroes
@@Adventist1997you literallly answered your own question 😂
In the comics wasn’t she a frail, blind, old woman? She also never appeared as a main character, just a side support… but who cares she’s a woman (somehow much younger and not disabled like her comic counterpart) so she must have her own movie/show in Marvel’s eyes.
Even from the trailers, you can tell that Dakota Johnson is phoning it in. It's always a great sign when your lead actress looks like she doesn't want to be there lmao
Well she mostly phoned it in for fifty ways to go jail for adult fun.
You sure that's not just her acting style.
Style = inability now
She's a type that good writers and directors have successfully worked with. When we had good writers and directors.
They told her "you're going to be the title character in a Marvel movie! This is huge!!" Then she looked up what her character is supposed to be and realized that's how Hollywood casting directors think of her.
also did anyone else notice she desperately tells the women to get off the train. but just lets the cops who are trying to save her die as she runs away?
Then vvhamens cheer! They cheer all the way up until they need to call them for help. Vvhamens also cheer that they don't need no man, until something in their house or car breaks, then they IMMEDIATELY need a man.
Definitely had nothing to do with f da police
"ACAB"
I loved the part when she said "It's Madamin time!" and started webbing everywhere. Truly this is a film.
The one thing I will say in this thing's favor: the Spider-Sense is arguably the ability to see one second into the future, so a Spider-person seeing minutes into the future is actually a neat idea.
Everything else is, as you said, happening because of licensing. Madame Web is the older mentor character who can't throw down like a champ anymore but can occasionally point the young pup in the right direction. I can think of at least three Spider-Women and she is none of them. The studio wanted a woman to jump around in spandex and Madame Web was the name they had access to.
I like how the characters in the trailer just literally addressed how contrived the situation is.
I can't wait for Gundam to review Madam Web when it come out as a person who loved anime I prefer Gundam to compare it on an anime like he did to She-Hulk and compare it to Demon Slayer and tell everyone that Japan makes better content than western I really hope he compare every isekai anime to The Boys also
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This will be nothing like She-Hulk. That much I can say... Because it's not even made by Disney.
@@Adventist1997 that make sense why it looks like a low budget film
"It just looks like Final Destination but with spiders."
Okay that's a movie that should be a thing.
That would be horrifying in all the right ways.
Just as spiders foretold.
With the title "Arachnarok" :p
Ive never seen Final Destination but it sounds like basically the Spider-Verse comics already if you just replace death with Morlun the vampire right??? SONY SHOULD'VE MADE THAT MOVIE INSTEAD OF THIS!
I love how the one girl was mad at her for almost running her over in an AMBULANCE while SHE was riding in the middle of the road! Entitlement at its finest!
That *does* look like a CW show!
If you told me that the writer for this was a former CW writer, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.
The most amazing thing, is when you think they have reached the limits of crapdom. They manage to find whole new dimensions of awfulness to explore 😊
Keep digging and eventually you will find gold.... right?
tell that to a guy who works in a manure stockpile :)@@planexshifter
They missed a golden opportunity by not gender swapping the main character and calling it Monsieur Web because, why tf not.
@@secondchance6603No men allowed.
They manage to find new dimensions and shatter them, right? So all we're left with are Shattered Dimensions...
The very notion that a woman can encounter a man without being either the most important person in his life or surpass him in importance is utterly unthinkable to current Marvel writers. Madame Web is a great supporting character but supporting character is the role that suits her best. Her gimmick is even tied to that of a pre-existing male hero.
Not every supporting female character needs to be thrust into the role of protagonist or deuteragonist. The inverse is rarely even attempted even where it might be successful. There is no Tuxedo Mask spin-off to Sailor Moon because no one is clamoring for one.
That's a good reference!
Sony have been watching Disney crash and burn from a not so safe distance and really just said “hold my beer, watch this”
I like how the villain is basically Spiderman.
Because we need to take HIM down a peg...the only character people care about in the Spiderverse
The best Madam Web is from the 90s Spider-Man. She was Stan Lee approved. I love that entire series.
Definetly.
She was voiced by Stan Lee's wife
True, but this doesn't seem like the worst idea for an origin story for the Venom universe.
Y'know what? I've revised my opinion. There is such a thing as superhero fatigue.
Not because genre fans *actually* stop liking their pet genres of course, that's absurd. No, it's just that... the superhero genre has been so thoroughly co-opted and run into the ground by weird sociocultural saboteurs that the very notion of a costumed hero is now tainted by those same people.
You can't divorce one from the other anymore without difficulty.
the fatigue i am getting is the desperate attempts at trying to catch lightning of the phase 1 and 2 of MCU. It is a one and done kinda thing folks in hollyweird. Please stop dipping into the Marvel grab bag of characters and retconning them to girl bosses.
I'm not tired of superhero movies as a general rule, but it's definitely a huge problem when people start to expect that superhero movie = shit. I didn't even lift an eyebrow when Love and Thunder was announced because the MCU had already become a reliable political propaganda machine by that point. I would've needed convincing and assurance that it was actually good to have an interest in seeing it, and the same has been the case with every other MCU project and even Disney production in general for years now.
Yep pretty much the way I’ve been saying it
Invincible and The Boys is great.
@@MomoAfterDark
No, they're adaptations of great things adapted by the likes of Seth Rogen which have already stepped away from the source material to indulge in grating post modern nonsense with a virtual guarantee they're gonna shoehorn in more of the same later.
Thanks but no thanks, I already had to watch Lucifer, Preacher, and Sandman all get the same treatment.
Well, pretty much everyone predicted that the whole woke movie thing wouldn't go out with a whisper or a bang, but has to be dragged out spitting, kicking and screaming. And we're seeing it happening.
I'm sure this will make as much as The Marvels and be just as well liked.
My mind says, "Look, the babysitters club is in Highschool now." I've got to say, this makes me think someone used AI to write this thing, and they used every tween adventure book as a big part of their data set. After enduring the trailer, I think I might be right.
When they brought their individual spider vehicles together to morph into that giant Spider Bot and they defeated the toxic male Kaiju I webbed all over myself and I was like "SLAAAAY SPIDER QUEEN"
You leave Leopardon out if this trivle, else World Martial Arts champion Supaidaman will come back for revenge!
Dear god, the fact that the japanese Spiderman show is actually better than most of this shlock thats written today is sad.
@@MrAnthraxes
I'm the emissary from HELL!
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This trailer tells me everything I need to know about the movie.
I mean that literally -- it contained every major plot point and revealed every crucial detail, except maybe for a third act costume change. Ooooooh can't wait for that.
Holland was in a movie called The Impossible, about the sunami in India with Naomi Watts and Macgregor who played Obi-wan. He did a very good job.
How to make a Sequel or Reboot according to modern day sci-fi fantasy writers:
P - PANDER. Pander as hard as you possibly can to women and minorities, but make sure that men are treated like garbage.
U - UNDERCUT any old heroes. Make them look as weak, pathetic and useless as you possibly can, ensuring that anyone who identified them feels like crap.
T - TRUST that audience will gobble up any slop you throw at them
A - ATTACK any critics as "ist-aphobes"
C - CALL all fan theories "dumb" to rub salt into the wound
H - HATE anyone who isn't of the correct gender/skin tone
I - IGNORE any of the lore or backstory of the world
C - CRITICISE the original story for not being "diverse" enough
K - KILL any negative reviews by "incentivising" review sites to delete them
IN-clude as many deconstructive tropes as possible
IT-erate the story by including random multiverses for no reason
AND most importantly...MAKE IT GAY.
This can be shortened to the helpful acronym "P.UT. A. C.H.I.C.K. IN. IT. AND MAKE IT GAY!"
You forgot they also need to be lame. Though that could easily be fixed by having them get kicked on the ankle at the start and spend the entire movie limping.
Brilliant! :D
Well played you got me in the first half
They really should learn from yuri and yuribait anime how to make good gay female characters
Most of that is not what is happening here, this is set BEFORE Peter Parkers Spiderman. And it's Uncle Ben who saves Cassandra Web from drowning when she gets stuck in the falling car. Thus isn't an all men are bad movie.
They didn't just make Nick Fury black, they made him look like Samuel L. Jackson, the spitting image of an action hero in the late 90s, for the Ultimate universe. Jackson was gentlemanly enough to strike a deal with Marvel over the unauthorized use of his likeness, guaranteeing for himself the role in Marvel movie projects. Of all the raceswaps in Disney and Marvel canon, Nick Fury's is probably the LEAST gratuitous.
The Sony Spiderverse was supposed to be a thing as far back as the Amazing Spider-Man movies. There was even a scene in TASM2 that was the setup for the Sinister Six film, as it showed the villain equipment for several villains, all set up and ready to go, in Oscorp's basement. After things like that, I knew the Sony Spiderverse was going to be lame.
Also the black Nick Fury was just Ultimate Nick, the 616 one was (and still is) white. And 616 black one? That's OG Nicks kid/grandkid iirc, the white one is still up and about.
We have never had a problem with raceswapped roles if it's awesome. The problem with most of them nowadays is they're so contrived and force-fed to us.
@@FantasyremixExactly, if they just opened up and said "yes, the character is white, however actor X is incredible and this is why we've done it..." Instead it's always denial/accusations and delusional takes on reality.
So they made him black? Lol
At least the original Fury, who looked like David Hasselhoff, was actually a veteran of foreign wars, unlike the M-She-U Samuel L Jackson, ‘Furry’ who was an office jockey that acted like he had done more.
It's crazy ironic how a movie about a clairvoyant character is lacking any foresight whatsoever.
Nah, this is gonna make tons of money. Trust me bro, can see the future. Spider-web-thingy and everything!
I see it making plenty if people stop assuming it's made by Disney before it comes out.
I fell asleep the other night while watching UA-cam and woke up to an ad playing the Madame Web trailer. I thought I was still asleep having a nightmare, it was so ridiculously bad.
That scene of Aunt May (that knows about the multiverse) drinking tea when Miles Morales gets back to put on his own original suit and she says "took you long enough..." as she sips her tea...THAT was the essence of Madame Web (even though they are different characters, I know...I know...)
If anything, this is a huge missed opportunity. One of the spider women is suppose to be Mattie Franklin, the niece of J. Jonah Jameson that he treated like a daughter. I think she’s the most underrated spider woman and she’s been dead for over a decade now. She’s not a mainstream character and this could’ve shed some light on her, instead she’s looked like she’s set up to be the token black character. It’s like how in birds of prey; instead of ultilizing Cassandra cains story and character, they just made her the Asian sidekick of Harley quinn
Mattie's run was good I collected the whole thing.
I don't think that is what they are doing at all, this is set BEFORE these girls get powers, which is why they need Madame Webs protection, because the bad guy wants to kill them before they do, because in the future, they gang up on him (possibly with Peter, whose mom is in the movie) to take him down, so he plans on killing them first. So we might in glimpses of the future, get the original stories for these girls too.
"She’s not a mainstream character and this could’ve shed some light on her, instead she’s looked like she’s set up to be the token black character."
Well of course! How else are you supposed to end racism except by perpetuating it? Its the Hollywood way!
Yea she was interested
My sister said that's Cassandra cain and I about had an aneurysm of rage.
They're so confident that they can't write their own strong female character that they're practically screaming it at this point. Rather than using one of the hundreds of existing female Marvel characters and starting their own series using her, they've co-opted an elderly woman _just_ to ride on the coattails of Spider-Man's popularity.
EDIT: _Of f*cking course_ the trailer uses a slow, minor key Billie Eilish pop song. The predictability is laughable at this point. This is going to bomb spectacularly.
Ewwww Billie
What do you mean? It's not like Madam web is a new character...
@@Adventist1997- Madam Web is supposed to be an old woman who sees the threads of time & advises heroes like Spider-Man. She’s not a super-hero!
Prep the B-1! Load the bomb bay!
@@Adventist1997 Hydra bob isn't a new character in Deadpool either but they don't go making movies about him.
A strong independent wahmen that don't need no man that should be under the umbrella of Spider-Man that doesn't need to be rewrote to work? Ummmmmm...... Black Cat?
Song: "What do you want from me?"
I want you to make a good movie.
"that man is trying to kill you" she said in a calm and relaxed manner 😂
It genuinely looks horrible. The only people I seem gassing it have pronouns in their bio
It doesn't look good, but IMO better than the Kraven movie
The choreography looks awful, the CGI looks awful & visually just looks bad too, it has that fan film aesthetic and feeling to it.
I'm sure they'll be carrying it financially, lol.
I don't think it looks bad and my pronouns are the ones I was given at birth. I'm fine with a story of madam Web, so Idk why there's so much hate when we don't have much on the story. And judging how it looks based on the trailer? I thought Spider verse looked like trash, and honestly, it still is... But the story and action was good despite it visually hurting my eyes. 😂
@@Adventist1997how is Spiderverse trash?!
Haha my gf saw the trailer with me and she was like "wtf is this" i said "this new CW show is looking fantastic"
Notice how the superpower makes her flawless - she can't lose because she always has hindsight... oh course!
She's...
Captain Hindsight!
(See South Park)
I like that these team-up movie is only named after _one_ of the characters.
Madame Web. The movies no one has ever asked for.
This looks like a cross between Spiderman and Groundhog Day.
Apparently getting a mouthful of the East River will give you superpowers.
the trope of reliving the same time period over and over is really popular right now so it's no surprise to see it make it into movies alongside video game "adaptations"
Origin stories have devolved from "crazy experiment" to "I couldn't possibly have been a Scout, because I was not prepared."
All I saw is Final Destination.
All of us die, but when it's time for me to die time just rewinds and we can prevent it all from happening.
It's FINAL DESTINATION 😕
You know, I could believe that about the East River.
The plot of the movie which I think was leaked a while ago is literally the plot of terminator meets groundhog Day with spiderman easter eggs which I found fxking hilarious
I'm surprised they didn't mention all the bots in the comments. You see quite a lot of "I like the part where"
It’s funny to me that even with Sony’s misguided efforts to make Spider-man movies without Spider-man, they still manage to scrape together the weirdest, bottom of the barrel concepts.
A Venom movie? Ye Venom’s got plenty of material to adapt centred around him. The Sinister 6? Maybe a few of them have their own brief stints as stand alone characters, and maybe with an ensemble you have enough to build a story on without Spider-man.
Morbius? Now you’re getting to the point where you’re just making whatever generic sci-fi horror movie and putting a comic character’s name on it.
Madame Web…? What? No.
Drinker made a good point that soon we might get comic book movies where in hindsight it might have been a mistake in making them because there isn't anymore a audience who would want to see them
I can see various executives wanting to self insert into this movie, so they can see the outcome of their bad decisions and correct them.
This phrase encapsulated perfectly any Marvel movie: your future was almost so different." Yeah like everyone's else. Who wrote this?!!!!
Someone commented on the official trailer video that it looked like a fan film, and honestly that's pretty much the most apt description of this with the noted caveat that the people who made this are definitely not fans of the source material in any way shape or form
-Ghostbusters (2016)
-Kate Bishop Hawkeye
-Terminator Dark Fate
-James Bond No Time to Die
-Atomic Blonde
-Oceans 8
-She-Hulk Attorney at Law
-The CW's Batwoman
-Doctor Who's 13th Doctor
-The CW's Failed Live Action Powerpuff Girls that was SO BAD it didn't even Air
-Ahsoka
-The Marvels
"Did I ever tell you the Definition of Insanity? Insanity is doing the same *FUCKING* thing over and over again expecting shit to change. That. Is. Crazy.
...I started seeing it everywhere I looked all these fucking Pricks doing the same FUCKING THING over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
Thinking that THIS TIME its gonna be DIFFERENT *no no no please THIS TIME* its gonna be DIFFERENT!"
-Vass Montenegro; Far Cry 3; The definition of Insanity
This was absolutely perfect... but screw you for making me remember that slutty PPG project 😂
I liked Hawkeye 🤷🏾
I liked Atomic Blonde.... For one she at least got hurt. Blood, an unholy amount of bruises, a blown eye, cracked ribs. She took more damage in that one film than all the rest in your list combined. Also helps that Charlize is actually physically intimidating. She's almost 6' tall and spent her life doing actual punishing things. She's the Hollywood version of Michelle Yeoh. Had a career in ballet(which is extremely physical and all about pain management) and got hurt so couldn't do the millimeter perfect technical work anymore required to hit those jumps, went into films as an actress and stuntwoman, got hurt in a stunt and couldn't do some of that anymore, became more of a straight actress but still does lower level stunts. They've oddly parallel careers. And noone complains about Michelle Yeoh. I think it's because Charlize says things that do lead into the current trope of how bad the Strong Female Character has become, without people realizing she actually has led a life which lets her say those things. They just see the pretty blonde woman, not the person who's done things none of her male costars would even attempt. That and also didn't have Jackie Chan in the background for two decades pointing out everything she did.
@@halycon404 All Valid Points.
Though sadly I don't believe the Movie made enough Money and its sadly VERY Clear that Hollywood WANTS more Charlizes but There aren't enough Women who fit that Bill.
Not even the the Girls are 'playing pretend' to be that.
@@mitchellalexander9162 The movie tripled it's budget. No more of them because Lietch became one of the most wanted lower/mid budget action directors in Hollywood. No him, no movie. No one else can do stunt choreography of that level for such a small budget. He's been bouncing from movie to movie constantly at around one a year since the first John Wick. He's kinda become The Guy for the sub 100 million dollar budget action film. Most of them have been less than 50.
Here's an idea for how to do this character - she's an older lady, 50-60 something maybe, who has led a normal, unremarkable life, but has an interest in the occult. For reasons that are not important, she develops this ability to see the future, and is suddenly thrust into the role of saving people from disaster. With little physical strength and no contacts in the super-hero universe: she has to learn to use her guile as she is thrust into a criminal underworld world she has no previous experience of, to foil human-scale criminals with evil intent.
I don't know if that would be a hit - but it would at least be *different* to what we're used to seeing.
Jamie Lee Curtis
That would be interesting, but it wouldn't serve their purpose, this movie has a bigger function in the story arc of the SSU and maybe eventually in the MCU. Madame Web is young and able bodied for a reason, this movie is a prequel of sorts for Spiderman (don't know if its MCU or SSU Spiderman yet, but a rumour has Spiderman 4 leaning heavily into SSU, possibly leading to a merger of the SSU and MCU.
Fuck no
That could've been cool. Why they hate older people? With years many have experience and thus wisdom.
@@asarishepard8171
They obviously wanted an origin story before she became an old lady. Why is that a bad concept?
In late 1970s, there was a "Spiderwoman" cartoon based on the Marvel comic of the same.
The only thing that Sony has going for it with their Spider-Man rights is the animated movies and their deal with the MCU. That's it. Every time they try to do something with the rest of Spider-Man's characters it falls flat on its face. This trailer and Kraven the Hunter prove that no one on the marketing team or even the producers have an ounce of hope or care about the live-action movies to be profitable and a success. The only reason that they are doing this is to keep the brand because their deal with Marvel and their animated movies are the only ones making money for them. So, instead of doing this on-brand-but-also-off-brand spin-offs, they should just focus on what they can do with the animated universe.
It baffles me that film and TV companies thought they could just force us to like all this garbage, like they could just make us buy tickets and pay for subscriptions to watch shows we have no interest in watching
It's still the mentality of them being the only game in town when it comes to visual entertainment. Used to be watch whatever they put out, or don't watch anything at all. Now there's so many options, you could watch independent creators on UA-cam all day every day and still not get through a fraction of the quality content.
It became bulletproof. Criticism = bigot. We are only just breaking through that nonsense now.
I miss the old Spiderman animated series. Favorite arc was when he was slowly mutating into like a were spider. Had the Punisher, Morbius and I think one other guest star come together to help him out.
Man-Spider and yes that was a fun arc and quite comic book accurate.
Madame Web is literally Blind and Paralyzed. I have no clue who this is supposed to be.
Madam Web is, just like Morbius, a character that did not need a solo film. She's a supporting character in Spider-Man stories, and not been that often. Not to mention she's an old lady. But oh well, yet another girl boss team. When will they learn...
At least with Mobius it makes more sense to have him have a solo film as he does his own adventures without Spiderman
It looks bad. Like, CW bad.
But it also features a variety of decent-to-eyebrow-raising breasts in accentuating tops.
So I'll allow it.
CW is accurate lol
There was a Nicolas cage movie where he could see a few minutes into the future and it was actually pretty good
Until the ending ruin it
Next.
There was even a scene where he goes into a diner and gets into a fight.
That's the movie I was thinking of the whole time I watched the trailer. I wonder if that's the "inspiration" for how they have her powers work? Looked pretty similar.
Only seen the movie once, just remember it was better than expected
Please have itsagundam on more often, he is the bomb!
Gundam is such a light in his guest appearances.
This is indeed the CW, and Holland's a co-star in his own relationship.
They haven't been able to write a relatively masculine Spiderman since a few 2000s animated series.
Out of all the characters in Spider-Man's lore, Madame Web is such a weird choice to do a film on. They could have done a film on Spider-Gwen or Peni Parker (the cool anime-looking character from Into The Spider-Verse). Or, just a crazy thought, maybe just do a Sinister Six film and treat it like a heist movie, where the villains can just do their thing without trying to turn them into heroes.
But seriously, the time of live-action superhero films is over now. Across the Spider-Verse has proven that there is money to be made in animation (although as long the budget isn't too big) and that's where future superhero films should go as well. If I were Sony, I would immediately green-light a brand-new Spider-Man cartoon film (more likely anime style), with a new voice actor for the character, and the title being: "Ultimate Spider-Man: Power and Responsibility".
But even then, we all know that the Woke crap will only ruin it. That's the issue. No matter what new ideas are thought up to try and fix something, the people who are pushing this woke stuff that ruined what came before are going to take advantage because they can't take the idea of something that isn't theirs making money.
That seems to be their fastest way to bankruptcy - making movies on characters no one knows, then also changing that character to be a different race/gender/abilities/story.
The biggest problem is that these films lack a Spider-Man, Now apparently Sony can’t use Peter Parker but Ben Reilly exists(You can say Peter is married to MJ who is Pregnant) and focus on Ben having to struggle in this world with some of these characters doubting him and him proving he’s an Sensational Spider-Man(Get it?)
@@henrygambles3652 Wait, they can't use Peter Parker? Is that in live-action only due to the deal with the MCU?
@@tjjordan4207 It’s not confirmed but I’ve heard several rumors that Sony in their own Spider-Man film Universe can’t use their own version of Peter Parker in live action, Spiderverse has different contract rules!
Sliver and Black made more sense than this.
The silver sable and black cat movie
At this point, no studio should be allowed to make a superhero movie.
I'm still gonna see Deadpool.
Unless they have Phil lord & Chris Miller as directors or screenwriters
It's been 20 years, 20 bloody years. Can't they just relegate them to history.
These movies would be great on Mystery Science Theatre.
When she says 'i can see the future' i just cant get the teamfourstar version of the same line out of my mind 😂
They are also making a Kraven movie, but Sony's problem is that they have rights to only so many heroes, so they are making everyone into one, despite them being villains in the comics (at least originally)
@renji0002did kraven come out I actually wanna see it I loved that character
Kraven looks like it may good though.
@renji0002 Morbius in the movie is an anti-hero. So is Venom. They defeat villains in every movie.
@renji0002 I know, and I'm talking about movies.
@@tinalevan1984 nah, they are just butchering another character, edit: and based on the trailer, the father seems more like Kraven than the son
The problem with this move is trying to take an obscure character and minor characters that only work with an A-List hero and make a full-length film base around them. The bigger problem is trying to sell it to an audience that knows nothing about them. As an avid fan of Spider-Man comics, it's a tough sell to the audience of an Oracle-type character and make it a lead.
50 Shades of Spider-Man
Have to wonder why they don't just use Mayday. The Raimi movies are old enough they would even fit in the same canon.
Awesome to see Itsagundam join in the conversation! 👊🏽
Madam Web sounds like she would have been a better character in a Spider-Man film. An elderly oracle character that Peter Parker was drawn to because of their spider connection. He could keep visiting her through the film leading to a major outcome in the end that she helps him prepare for, maybe even something that opens a pandora's box for the next two films after that.
There are not enough heavy sighs and face palms in the universe just for this trailer, how do they expect anyone to make it through a whole movie?
Im same as Gundam....the only reference i have for madame web is the old lady that just has the gift of foresight who helps peter parker....she never had the abilities of spiderman. Reminds me when Marissa Tomei was in talks with marvel about an Aunt May solo movie. They just closing the eyes and throwing dart at who gets a solo movie/show.
The only Spider-Man character I wouldn’t mind seeing in her own movie would be black cat
Damn y'all got the GOATs together for this one.
Movies like this are a godsend to perfectionists and neurotics like me. If you never put out anything for fear it isn't good enough, you allow garbage like this to take your place.
Honestly the movie could have been about a spider-person, either a version of Peter Parker or just someone in general from the spiderverse, having moments where the feel constant pounding headaches as if voices are crying out in pain and then vanishing and then that character finds themselves being chased by morlun and encounters madame web who guides them along with ezekiel to training to take on Morlun. I would end the movie with morlun beaten but not defeated. Like planning his return so we meet his family and set up like a crazy spiderverse event
Ah, the problem here is, that would be a good story.
or it could have chosen just one spider-woman to showcase. They all three have their own lore.
This movie is set in the past, before Peter Parker becomes Spiderman, his Mom's in it as is Uncle Ben.
@@jamoretz9149true, but in this movie, in the "current" time in the movie, they don't have their powers yet, only Madame Web does, even then only recently, which is why the villain is trying to kill them before they get their powers, because he knows they will defeat him (possibly with Peter Parker's help) decades later, after they get their powers.
@@gyorgyor7765 Which, to me, makes even less sense. All the other spider girls shouldn't be near the same age as Ezekiel and Madame Web.
Madam Web should have been a much older woman.
There was a chance here to have an elderly super hero.
That older, grey-haired woman on the train looks cool.
She could have surrounded herself with younger characters
to do the fighting.
Ball. Dropped.
Does Hollywood even know how to tell good stories anymore?
I'm convinced a lot of the box office is going to come from people that see Dakota and Sydney and remember their most famous roles and scenes
Hell yeah. Who can forget them puppies?
@@P.Whitestrake IKR?
So let me get this straight. Four Spider related female characters, none of them all that popular, are fighting a bootleg Spider-Man, and this trailer is set to a track about sleep paralysis.
Yep, that checks out.
For me, Madam Web was ancient, mysterious, interdimensional being from another reality and that was cool. This movie is as far from it as it could be. I see it as a movie about completely different person with different story and just using the same name.
"Put some Chicks in it and make it lame" -- Eric Cartman
This whole "Madame Web seeing the future" is really bringing back that EFAP debate with Mauler, Rags, Fringy, and Jay when they devolved into nonsense about whether spiders can see the future.
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I’m just waiting for Dakota to pull a That’s So Raven and say, “Oh, snap!” to the camera.
Why is Madame Web even getting a movie rather than just showing up in a Spidey film?!
"Madame" is a title of respect used mainly in non-English-speaking regions when addressing an "older woman", especially a "married woman" (quotes from various dictionaries), so which one of these high-school to 20-somethings was 'Madame Web'?.
The flash: we have a diverse team
Zodd: I’m General Zodd and you’re not
If I can just stare and drool shamelessly into my snifter of whiskey at Dakota Johnson and Sydney Sweeney, I can make it through 2 hours just fine.
You need to raise your standards. They're both way below average looking women.
They aren't gonna sexify any of them.. especially sweeney
Yea we ain’t gonna see Sydney’s rack in this movie she’s gonna be covered like a nun
Most of Marvel's 1960s characters are pretty simple and you get their relative scope in the first issue, if not the first ten. I'm noticing that many characters post 1973 or so get way too convoluted to distill into one film.
Which is probably why Captain Marvel isn't clicking. Comics Carol has a long roller coaster of a history that just didn't get compressed into a movie very well.
Pretty much all the good characters you can explain in a sentence.
Wonder Woman was hot & a total badass plus she got decades of legacy. Stick Carol Danvers in the Black & Gold she might of had a shot. Start with hot then show her as a total badass and then build to creating a lasting legacy.
All characters in this movie are 1980-2004 so yeah lots of history and they smahing together so it probably wont do well or be too simple.
@@docsavage8640 you can explain stilt-man in a sentence does not mean he is good
@@jamoretz9149 Stilt-Man is a tertiary villain. Nobody's trying to elevate him.
Madam Web is giving me that canceled Batgirl movie vibes.
Hollywood is getting so bad that even listening to them get bashed is getting bad.
Sydney sweeney and Dakota Johnson are the only thing that would get me through this movie.
Isabella Merced is pretty hot also.
"Put a chick in it and make her gay?"
Have some respect for yourself
@@CosmicNermal For being attracted to people? Get over yourself.