I read on the rules when I was talking trash, that if there's a small gap, as long as your stick is above 45 degrees, you're allowed to shoot towards it without a push foul being called.. seems kinda funny to me.
that said he should have felt it giving his other senses are in a magnitude state. hes done this stuff his whole career. we called him on it in a tournament in tunica. when theres real money on the line that bs doesnt stand.
I'd argue he even hit it. to me it looks like he had side on the white and it bends just at the same time he lifted the cue above it, which made it look like it struck the cue
You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.
Some notes for the people in the comments: 1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply. 2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place. 3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference. 4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules. 5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls. 6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.
The 45° rule applies to derby coty classic. I’m their rules it is perfectly legal to double hit/push as long as you elevate your cue 45°. Otherwise everything you said is spot on
@@lntrlp4936 That's a double hit. Dr. Dave had a good video explaining the difference. It's called everything you need to know about fouls or something like that.
@@LostinYTblackhole in upa, the 45 degree rule is so that the shot isnt *automatically* ruled a push/double cue. certainly if you double cue/push despite raising your cue 45 degrees it's still a foul.
I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.
@@seda12I think you're talking about the wrong kind of push shot. The push shot they're talking about it is when you extend the time of contact onto the cue ball with the tip of your cue, you're literally pushing the cue ball with your cue. The push shot you're referring to is when you are given the opportunity to push out after the break on 9 ball or 10 ball. Two very different things
If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen
Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.
Not unusual for the strickland scrub to be throwing a tantrum like always, he just a spoilt brat with nothing but average pool play, he tried tp piss off some of the greats like Steve Davis (proven 8 time world champion in snooker), that kind of disrespect only deserves to be throw nout in the garbage, really should just ban this guy from all competition in ANY sport or game
@@Frusciante1221 you know nothing about me, yet you assume I know nothing about pool, I didnt deny him that he can play, but its really only average, comparing him to the likes of Efren Reyes, Steve Davis, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Neil Robbertson ... should I list more that Strickland doesnt have a hope against?
Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.
7.9 Double Hit If the cue tip strikes the cue ball twice on the same stroke, it is a ball in hand foul. In order to avoid a double hit, the cue ball must be struck at a minimum of a 45° angle whenever in contact with or riskily close (1/2 inch or closer) to the intended object ball.
I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight if it was a double touch then the ball wouldn’t have stayed on the line lol, you’re arguing “my eyes are seeing it!” vs basic physics lmao
@@strikermurda No, most weren't. If you ever have seen Dr. Dave Billiards slow mo shots of these exact ones you would see. Yes, some were because the cue wasn't elevated enough and they allowed for some angle when it wasn't needed.
Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.
You're clearly not taking into account that the rules have changed multiple times during the time span you're covering in your excerpts. Back in the era of the Irving Crane versus Luther Lassiter match, for example, the modern definition of "push shot" simply did not apply, in particular not for frozen balls (which have been considered an exception to the rule in countless reiterations of the rule set). The next shot by Jimmy Caras is the only type that might have been considered debatable back in the era, and you'll notice it apparently wasn't, as Caras wouldn't even bother elevating, nor did the referee bother calling anything whatsoever. The next shot, by Roger Griffis, would in fact have been considered a foul in its era because he can be seen not to elevate 45 degrees, but then, all AccuStat Invitational events used their own rule sets, and Scott Smith, the tournament director wasn't one to overlook a foul if indeed it was considered one by the rules played that day. In Joshua Filler's shot at 6:25 minutes into the video, the cue ball can be seen to deflect sideways along the tangent line before the follow takes, so there you have your answer, all about physics. During the Shane Van Boening shot right after, commentator Danny DiLiberto is giving the relevant rules explanation, so again, the question would appear answered, except I don't believe Shane would have elevated if the balls had been frozen, as the shot would be easier to make without elevation if they were.
With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push
WRONG. HERE IS THE RULE: IF THE CUEBALL AND THE OBJECT BALL ARE NOT TOUCHING, THEN THE CUEBALL, CANNOT INVADE THE SPACE WHERE THE OBJECT BALL IS LYING, WHILE THE CUE IS STILL TOUCHING THE CUE-BALL. IF THE CUE-BALL AND OBJECT BALL ARE TOUCHING, YOU CAN PUSH RIGHT ON THROUGH, AS LONG AS THE OBJECT BALL DOESNT CONTRACT ANOTHER BALL, OR, THE CUEBALL CONTACTS ANOTHER BALL WHILE "PUSHING THROUGH". Take it to the bank. I been playing pool for 31 years and have played at a professional level.
I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.
He already replied to you but I still thought I should clear it up. If the balls are frozen together, it is 100% legal to hit into them in all rules and regulations excluding APA & EPA. Also youre mixing the definition of push and double hit. Push fouls are incredibly rare, so rare I’ve never seen or heard of one from professionals. That’s when you use an irregular stroke and make contact. For example that would be if I lined my shot up and then touched my cue tip on the ball then pushed forward. Push shots, are not actual shots, they are pushes. So anytime someone strikes at a ball it can’t be a push. Double hit occurs when there is any gap in between the cue ball and object ball. If there is any gap no matter how small it will result in a double hit
I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.
@@strikermurda its true tho cause the only legal jumpshot is with an 45° angle on the cue a "scoop jumpshot" is not allowed because thats always a double hit on the cue ball
First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.
Look at the space between the cue ball and the two balls next to it, if he pushes through anymore than that distance he will 100% make double contact, hence why the cue ball jumps, goes forward, then draws back.
I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.
In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.
I personally call my own fouls... In the words of Willie Masconi, "Pool is a game of royalty." I hold myself to that level of sportsmanship. Pool and golf are two of the only sports that I know of that you can call your own fouls or penalties during high level competition. It's unfortunate that more people don't hold themselves to that standard. After checking the rules, they state that a pool player isn't required to call his or her own penalties, yet watching professionals not ending their turn when they know deep down inside they made a mistake is disappointing.
@Nomma Rillnaim it wouldn't have been a foul either, because pocketing uncalled balls it's not a foul, just loss of turn. However I agree that he obviously meant the 10, so he didn't want to take advantage in fraudolent way
5:24 I think I saw a video on internet from other angle, and 8 is moved, obviously, but there was no contact with flying ball. Maybe it's because of him hitting the surface so hard?
That Earl one, it really does sound like he might of mumbled ten ball but was misheard. "ten" and "two" both start with 't', so I'm still not so sure about that one. I mean why would he point to the pocket and shoot at the obvious ball to go there if he meant the two. I think the honor goes both ways on Shaw to concede the shot when it really was obvious, but I can see why both sides were upset.
If you listen to Earl the second time he slams the butt of his cue into the ground he says “how did I ****ing do that” basically admitting he messed up.
@@cuesportclips11 Assuming he knew he made the mistake (as both are blue colored), it was impossible for the 2-ball to go to that pocket, thus making it an obvious shot. There is not a tournament (I would play in) where the opponent would call that out on him. Since it was obvious, it's probably why it was called to the shooter. But, I don't have a problem with Shaw being upset either.
@@cuesportclips11 it was just a miscall. It was impossible to pocket the 2, he obviously wanted to pocket the 10. As a opponent if I understand the intentions of a player I have no problem to give this shot good. At the end of the day the purpose of calling shots is to clarify your intentions, but if your intentions are obvious for me it's enough.
@@AngrierGorilla mis call? you loose your turn ,its call shot call ball and pocket if you dont do that right then you didnt call your shot ,nothing to argue about
In the Earl vs. Shaw game, Earl called the 10-ball at the corner pocket, he even pointed at it right before the shot. Shaw tried to say Earl called the 2-ball. Ten, two, ten, two I think he heard him wrong.
The foul on the jacked up shot in the Filler/Blyler match was absolutely a good hit. The cue ball goes slightly forward then draws backward. THERE IS NO WAY the backspin could work unless the object ball goes slight forward after the cue ball is struck and slows down enough so that the cue ball could hit it again.
The Strickland-Shaw match, I believe the audio clearly has Earl calling the 2, even though he shot the 10. It's a foul, ref called it immediately, and then reversed it after Earl bitched. Shaw was completely in the right to be upset, the rules should've been followed. It's the only thing to do at that point, follow the rules. Although, I never realized he pointed at the pocket with his cue. Interesting. If everyone heard 2, then rules shoulda been followed in my opinion, Earl's mistake.
he clearly intended the 10, it was just a miscall. There wasn't any bad intentions from him, I think Shaw perfectly knew he intended to pocket the 10. However when you pocket uncalled balls (or in the wrong pocket) it's not a foul, it's just loss of turn.
Earl's intent was CLEARLY on the 10 ball, but he mis-spoke. Technically, he pocketed the wrong ball, leading to loss of turn. But I think Jason was being a jerk for calling it out. He knew Earl's intent. This is POOL; not a game of "mother, may I."
Almost all the alleged push shots were legal hits. Joseph Blyer's, Shane Van Boening's, and Josh Filler's were all good hits. In pocket billiards rules, if you elevate your cue past 45 degrees in attempt to avoid a double hit, then a foul cannot be called. Furthermore, when hitting down on the cue ball like that, it will go forward first because it hops ever so slightly before the backspin takes. In the older clip where the guy pushed through, the balls were frozen. You can tell they were frozen because he didnt hit the cue ball very hard and it followed the object ball naturally... if there had bee a gap and double hit, the cue ball would bave reacted slightly differently. Also, the clip where Shane used the bridge... also not a foul. You can see in slow motion his cue never touched the cue ball. The ball bent to the viewer's right because it had top spin and the spin took after the slide on the new felt... a standard cue ball path, honestly. Some of the other shots weren't fouls, either but I really don't want to have to explain all of them. This is simply about knowing the rules and physics.
@@cuesportclips11 - You generally disagree with a lot of people on your channel, particularly when most people are in agreement about something... maybe it's your thing? At any rate, everything I said was correct, factually speaking per the WPA and Matchroom official rulebook that professional pool players and regerees follow. So just because you say it's wrong pretty much means nothing to anyone with pool knowledge. I would love for you to tell SVB he's wrong and then watch him laugh at you. Also.. pretty insensitive you wrote on the one clip (when he uses the bridge) that he should be able to "hear" it, considering he's deaf and plays with his hearing aids off. What is the matter with you?
I didn’t say hear, I said, see, hear or feel, if he can’t hear, then he should be able to see it, if he can’t see it, he 1000% felt it, thanks for leaving that out though bud.
What pocket billard rules are you talking about?(edited after my stroke) These for the vast majority are WPA rules, where all these shots are illegal. The 45° only applies to derby city classic where you are allowed to double hit as long as you elevate cue to 45°. And imma be honest I stopped reading halfway through your comment because the first half was so stupid😂
Some of these they probably didn't notice. Fouls, but not bad sportsmanship. Also, in the very old videos, those push shots were not illegal. You were allowed to double contact the cue ball as long as you made only one stroke.
Not true. A double hit push has been illegal since the late 1800s. You must be crazy. It simply did not get noticed then because thaey did not have high resolution video to examine the shot with and refs were less knowledgeable about that particular rule. A shooter was NEVER "allowed to double contact" "one stroke" or not.
@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul
It’s both their faults but more on the shooter because sometimes the player sitting down can’t see certain shots and they don’t wanna move while a player is shooting.
sorry man I think the first shot was clean maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8
not necessarily clear, especially without slow mo replay. usually the objective is to avoid double hitting first ball, opponent and shooter might not even be thinking about double hitting a second ball
Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.
EARL 100% pointed his cue at the pocket and his cue ball was an inch from the 10. Jayson Shaw tried to cheat him. This shot, and 2 others were LEGAL the rest were all fouls. I call fouls on myself.
@@cuesportclips11 Wow, your European Player Bias really shows here. You do realize they re-ran the video, and that the 10-ball was 1 inch from the Cue-ball right? Hey, "pool casual" 5 time US OPEN CHAMPIONS, dont MIS-AIM from 1 inch away!
@@garygwinn5818 Dude are you 97% deaf? He called the 2 and shoot the 10. Then he pointed the ref and said: "He didn't hear it", just like if the ref didn't hear, he didn't call. Like a child denying a foul his mother didn't see. Cheater!
@@phanminhtien8304 Hey dude, are you 100% unaware of pool etiquette? The man pointed his cue at the pocket, got down on the most obvious shot in pool history, and pocketed it. Both 2 and 10 are blue. The 2 is nowhere near the the area Earl is aiming. If you say you would jump in and start an argument, in the middle of play, because of something like that, when there is a referee watching the match, your not only ridiculous, but you have no level of sportsmanship whatsoever. In the end, its the Referee's call, and thats what you go by. Also, you dont get that Matchroom, Europe bias, with CSI. They call it fair and down the middle.
@@cuesportclips11 3.23FOULS BY DOUBLE HITS If the cue ball is touching the required object ball prior to the shot, the player may shoot toward it, providing that any normal stroke is employed.
@@cuesportclips11 - Well….you’re disagreeing with the official BCA rule book….because that’s where I copied/pasted from. So you can disagree as to whether or not it should be the rule. But it IS the rule.
I know Jennifer Baretta personally and she has good sportsmanship and I don't think she would ever NOT call a foul on herself so I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't realize it. After all her opponent didn't notice it either.
If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.
Some of these were clear yeah, but like play 5:24 at 0.25x speed even while the clip plays in slow motion already, it definitely doesnt. Even paused the frame while the cue ball hovers with a gap above the 8 ball
Didn't the old-timers play by a different rule regarding push shots? What Jimmy Caras did and Irving Crane did might not have been illegal back then. But I'm not sure. I wasn't around. Anybody know?
@@cuesportclips11 Yeah it was an elevated soft draw/elevated stun shot but not a push . For most referees that have good knowledge of the game they would never call a push on an elevated cue stroke because you never get that push reaction were the cueball and object ball move like they’re glued to each other .You are way off if you need me to illustrate please reach me on insta same names
@@cuesportclips11 - WPA and Matchroom rules clearly state when elevating your cue past 45 degrees in an attempt to avoid a double hit, no foul can be called, even if a double hit occurs. This has been a rule for a long time... no ref or player will ever call this a foul. This isn't even a matter of opinion, so it doesn't matter if you think it's a foul... the rules say it's not and that's the only thing that matters.
I was there in the crowd for this and everybody was whispering to each other... There was a sigh of relief from Beretta when Laurie John took her shot after that... Cheater.
I think there has to be a bit of referee’s discretion wrt the push shot. Some times it is virtually unavoidable when two balls are so close. So as long as the player has made a reasonable attempt to not double hit (for example Shane’s shot at the 10-ball at 2:00) I think that should be given the benefit of the doubt (and was treated as such by the referee).
Earl is lucky Jason didn't knock him out. It was close. Earl had been asked to step outside, on occasion. One video is on UA-cam which Earl wisely declined.
Shaw would beat a guy like Strickland in a fight, but I would love to see Shaw talk to me the way he talks to some others. Trust me, Shaw would not be walking out of the pool hall. Dealt with many FAKE tough guys like Shaw when I was in the Marine Corps. Guys like Shaw are actually not that tough - they are blowhards and once you knock a few teeth out, they calm down a bit.
Lol the person who made this video clearly doesn’t know what push shot is. Push shot is only called when 2 balls have gap in between. In some of these cases they are frozen and even plowing thru it is still a legal shot. Josh Filler shot was clearly NOT a foul at all.Please relearn the rule before posting videos.
Do you call your own fouls?
I read on the rules when I was talking trash, that if there's a small gap, as long as your stick is above 45 degrees, you're allowed to shoot towards it without a push foul being called.. seems kinda funny to me.
yes
Always
I disagree with you on the shots where the players shoot down on the ball when the cue ball is touching the object ball. IT IS NOT A FOUL!!
@@w.peters9548 you can't tell if it's touching by camera angle or not. But like I said
“Shane’s cue touches the cue ball, no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this”
I’d argue there’s a legit reason Shane doesn’t hear lots of things.
😂😂😂 ikr
you dont have to hear, unless he cant feel
that said he should have felt it giving his other senses are in a magnitude state. hes done this stuff his whole career. we called him on it in a tournament in tunica. when theres real money on the line that bs doesnt stand.
I'd argue he even hit it. to me it looks like he had side on the white and it bends just at the same time he lifted the cue above it, which made it look like it struck the cue
Ok but he would have felt it for sure
You use the word "clearly" in every clip but it just isn't 'clearly' at all, just your opinion lol.
Was pretty clear to me and DrdaveBilliards
Not only his opinion but he's objectively wrong
Not wrong at all
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@@cuesportclips11 Well that pretty much sums it up.
You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.
If the balls are frozen it’s not a push. As long as you don’t double hit the cue ball!
Some notes for the people in the comments:
1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply.
2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place.
3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference.
4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules.
5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls.
6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.
The 45° rule applies to derby coty classic. I’m their rules it is perfectly legal to double hit/push as long as you elevate your cue 45°. Otherwise everything you said is spot on
4:35 seems like a classic push shot to me.
@@lntrlp4936 your understanding of push and double hit are swapped around.
@@lntrlp4936 That's a double hit. Dr. Dave had a good video explaining the difference. It's called everything you need to know about fouls or something like that.
@@LostinYTblackhole in upa, the 45 degree rule is so that the shot isnt *automatically* ruled a push/double cue. certainly if you double cue/push despite raising your cue 45 degrees it's still a foul.
I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.
Yes I have to agree with you how tf is this a push shot
when theyre playing 9 or 10 ball, you dont have to call a push shot unless its 8 ball. very one way view from the creator
@@seda12I think you're talking about the wrong kind of push shot. The push shot they're talking about it is when you extend the time of contact onto the cue ball with the tip of your cue, you're literally pushing the cue ball with your cue. The push shot you're referring to is when you are given the opportunity to push out after the break on 9 ball or 10 ball. Two very different things
The one that’s really obviously good is at 6:52
those are totally 2 different things lol @@ryanmoon05
If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen
That last one made me think I was at my local pub on a Friday night with all the 18yr olds thinking they can play pool how ‘they’ play it 😂
Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.
Seen Scottish players snap there cues before but that’s usually after they have won 😂 Ask Jayson about Christopher Slack
Not unusual for the strickland scrub to be throwing a tantrum like always, he just a spoilt brat with nothing but average pool play, he tried tp piss off some of the greats like Steve Davis (proven 8 time world champion in snooker), that kind of disrespect only deserves to be throw nout in the garbage, really should just ban this guy from all competition in ANY sport or game
@@terencebowlen1450 He is a spoiled brat, but you saying that he has nothing but average pool play shows that you know absolutely nothing about pool.
@@Frusciante1221 you know nothing about me, yet you assume I know nothing about pool, I didnt deny him that he can play, but its really only average, comparing him to the likes of Efren Reyes, Steve Davis, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Neil Robbertson ... should I list more that Strickland doesnt have a hope against?
Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.
7.9 Double Hit
If the cue tip strikes the cue ball twice on the same stroke, it is a ball in hand foul. In order to avoid a double hit, the cue ball must be struck at a minimum of a 45° angle whenever in contact with or riskily close (1/2 inch or closer) to the intended object ball.
Most pool players do 'know this', especially if they have experienced the situation.
There are some minor variations based on which rules are in effect. Dr. Dave has a good video on a couple of cases.
This is a wrong rule. As good as hitting the cue ball more than once.
@@kshgarg147 Actually when one strikes a frozen pair it is very hard to double hit unless you actually try to do it.
I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.
You as the opponent should be paying attention and calling the foulsz
I agree with you, that's how I play too. The first ones free, from there I know what to look for
lol... it's the worst in Tennis. People see the ball out or on the line, depending on how it suites them.
Love the channel, great vid, keep them coming.
The Filler shot in the Mosconi Cup was definitely a clean hit, the ball traveled on the tangent line and then the follow took
Agreed
Absolutely not. His tip hit the cue ball twice. Clearly visible too. Set your video playback to 0.25 speed and watch it again.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight nope. Wrong
@@toziassmitt Yes, you are... wrong. Shouldn't it be T Gurl?
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight if it was a double touch then the ball wouldn’t have stayed on the line lol, you’re arguing “my eyes are seeing it!” vs basic physics lmao
That first shot was clean. The reason the cue appears to follow forward is that it actually jumps off the edge of the OB diagonally.
You know he's hitting the 8ball first right?
@@mike8bp802 you know what straight pool is right?
@@markdresslar you know why its a foul when he hits the 8ball first?
So I guess Mike 8bp doesn't know what straight pool is.
@@mike8bp802 my dude you aren't winning this argument, look up straight pool genius.
Most of your push shots were wrong except the bank ,that was a push
No,bad
these were all fouls
@@strikermurda No, most weren't. If you ever have seen Dr. Dave Billiards slow mo shots of these exact ones you would see. Yes, some were because the cue wasn't elevated enough and they allowed for some angle when it wasn't needed.
@@seyumaiayami3536 elevation of the cue does not matter. A double hit is a foul no matter the angle of your cue. This isn't an amateur pool league.
@@strikermurda no shit.
I need the glasses you use brother, you make more push calls than a sumo wrestling
0:41 that's a legal shot
Nope
No its not. Cue ball goes forward. Simple physics that it was a 100% foul.
Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.
You're clearly not taking into account that the rules have changed multiple times during the time span you're covering in your excerpts. Back in the era of the Irving Crane versus Luther Lassiter match, for example, the modern definition of "push shot" simply did not apply, in particular not for frozen balls (which have been considered an exception to the rule in countless reiterations of the rule set). The next shot by Jimmy Caras is the only type that might have been considered debatable back in the era, and you'll notice it apparently wasn't, as Caras wouldn't even bother elevating, nor did the referee bother calling anything whatsoever. The next shot, by Roger Griffis, would in fact have been considered a foul in its era because he can be seen not to elevate 45 degrees, but then, all AccuStat Invitational events used their own rule sets, and Scott Smith, the tournament director wasn't one to overlook a foul if indeed it was considered one by the rules played that day. In Joshua Filler's shot at 6:25 minutes into the video, the cue ball can be seen to deflect sideways along the tangent line before the follow takes, so there you have your answer, all about physics. During the Shane Van Boening shot right after, commentator Danny DiLiberto is giving the relevant rules explanation, so again, the question would appear answered, except I don't believe Shane would have elevated if the balls had been frozen, as the shot would be easier to make without elevation if they were.
What a paragraph this is
@@cuesportclips11 hes right tho lmao
@@arix819 u read it?
@@arix819 “LMAO”
You didn’t?
Nice video , please make more of these.
With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push
WRONG. HERE IS THE RULE: IF THE CUEBALL AND THE OBJECT BALL ARE NOT TOUCHING, THEN THE CUEBALL, CANNOT INVADE THE SPACE WHERE THE OBJECT BALL IS LYING, WHILE THE CUE IS STILL TOUCHING THE CUE-BALL. IF THE CUE-BALL AND OBJECT BALL ARE TOUCHING, YOU CAN PUSH RIGHT ON THROUGH, AS LONG AS THE OBJECT BALL DOESNT CONTRACT ANOTHER BALL, OR, THE CUEBALL CONTACTS ANOTHER BALL WHILE "PUSHING THROUGH". Take it to the bank. I been playing pool for 31 years and have played at a professional level.
Wrong
"no way he didn't hear this" 8^) shane with his airpods off
Don’t misquote me if you can, thanks.
I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.
Look like he the 9 1st.
You really think that's a bigger controversy than Buddy Hall dumping to Mike LeBron??
Even at regular speed you see the 9 move first
Hit the 9 first by a mile. Look at how much speed the 9 ball had compared to the other object ball.
No no no. He started with 9 ball,
I'm very much a new pool player, but are they still considered push fouls if they are frozen together and not an OBVIOUS push through?
They aren’t frozen together.
@@cuesportclips11 ahhhh. It looks as if they are in many cases. My point is invalid given they aren't.
He already replied to you but I still thought I should clear it up. If the balls are frozen together, it is 100% legal to hit into them in all rules and regulations excluding APA & EPA. Also youre mixing the definition of push and double hit. Push fouls are incredibly rare, so rare I’ve never seen or heard of one from professionals. That’s when you use an irregular stroke and make contact. For example that would be if I lined my shot up and then touched my cue tip on the ball then pushed forward. Push shots, are not actual shots, they are pushes. So anytime someone strikes at a ball it can’t be a push. Double hit occurs when there is any gap in between the cue ball and object ball. If there is any gap no matter how small it will result in a double hit
@@LostinYTblackhole everything you said is true except last sentence.
Learn the rules before you post a video calling people out as cheaters.
Where in the video did I say people were cheating? Yeah that’s what I thought 🤡
At 1:35, did you really say that Shane “no way didn’t hear it”??? Wow lol
No I didn’t say that, how could you possibly misquote me when the text is literally on the video?
@@cuesportclips11 ya you did… the text says “no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this…
There you go, I didn’t say “no way he didn’t hear it” did I? 🤡🤡🤡
Lots of these clips are push shots indeed, but no foul since it is allowed
a push shot is only legal when the cue ball and object ball are completely frozen. other wise push shots are not allowed.
Thanks for all the hard work putting these together
Glad you like them!
Clip two
The shooter jacked up to 45 degrees and the cue ball did not travel forward more than 3 inches,, it was a perfect shot
that's an amateur league rule and not the professional rule.
@@strikermurda
Oh really
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I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.
If that were true then every single jump shot would be a foul.
@@brandonmoore5142 how do you come to this conclusion.
Incorrect
@@strikermurda its true tho cause the only legal jumpshot is with an 45° angle on the cue a "scoop jumpshot" is not allowed because thats always a double hit on the cue ball
I do not understand the first one pls help
Scratch that. Anything that says push shot I don't understand, even after googling what it means.
Cue hits the cue ball more than once.
@@cuesportclips11 it's so hard to spot even after you say it's obvious ;-;
@@Cellkist because these aren’t push shots. And he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
@@denisbeaudoin1406 ahhh that would explain it lol ty
1:49 there is a way he didn't hear it
First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.
I didn’t put the arrow there at all. Never assume.
Look at the space between the cue ball and the two balls next to it, if he pushes through anymore than that distance he will 100% make double contact, hence why the cue ball jumps, goes forward, then draws back.
I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.
Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
@@Welcome2Meap That's just as immature as Earl.
In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.
I personally call my own fouls...
In the words of Willie Masconi, "Pool is a game of royalty."
I hold myself to that level of sportsmanship. Pool and golf are two of the only sports that I know of that you can call your own fouls or penalties during high level competition. It's unfortunate that more people don't hold themselves to that standard.
After checking the rules, they state that a pool player isn't required to call his or her own penalties, yet watching professionals not ending their turn when they know deep down inside they made a mistake is disappointing.
Good thing most of these clips are not even push shots
@@ryanwysocki6437 every single one of them is but the filler shot is probably not
I'd say the sportsmanship in snooker is light years ahead of pool and I love both games.
Can you explain what is push shot
isn't push legal as long as cue ball and object ball are in contact?
Earl is a huge cheat
@Nomma Rillnaim it wouldn't have been a foul either, because pocketing uncalled balls it's not a foul, just loss of turn.
However I agree that he obviously meant the 10, so he didn't want to take advantage in fraudolent way
5:24 I think I saw a video on internet from other angle, and 8 is moved, obviously, but there was no contact with flying ball. Maybe it's because of him hitting the surface so hard?
2:20 van boening, obviously not a push!
The second was clean
No way
@@cuesportclips11 yes way
It was a push shot, there was a gap between the balls.
@@cuesportclips11 i did not saw any gap
That sounds like a you problem.
That Earl one, it really does sound like he might of mumbled ten ball but was misheard. "ten" and "two" both start with 't', so I'm still not so sure about that one. I mean why would he point to the pocket and shoot at the obvious ball to go there if he meant the two. I think the honor goes both ways on Shaw to concede the shot when it really was obvious, but I can see why both sides were upset.
If you listen to Earl the second time he slams the butt of his cue into the ground he says “how did I ****ing do that” basically admitting he messed up.
@@cuesportclips11 Assuming he knew he made the mistake (as both are blue colored), it was impossible for the 2-ball to go to that pocket, thus making it an obvious shot. There is not a tournament (I would play in) where the opponent would call that out on him. Since it was obvious, it's probably why it was called to the shooter. But, I don't have a problem with Shaw being upset either.
@@tptCJ well it’s a call shot game, if you call the 2 ball, you must make the 2 ball, simple as that in my opinion
@@cuesportclips11 it was just a miscall. It was impossible to pocket the 2, he obviously wanted to pocket the 10. As a opponent if I understand the intentions of a player I have no problem to give this shot good.
At the end of the day the purpose of calling shots is to clarify your intentions, but if your intentions are obvious for me it's enough.
@@AngrierGorilla mis call? you loose your turn ,its call shot call ball and pocket if you dont do that right then you didnt call your shot ,nothing to argue about
In the Earl vs. Shaw game, Earl called the 10-ball at the corner pocket, he even pointed at it right before the shot. Shaw tried to say Earl called the 2-ball. Ten, two, ten, two I think he heard him wrong.
are you blind on bustamante shot, that was clear good.
Nah it was clearly a foul, hence why it got reversed, thanks for the attitude though 🤡
I wish you could explain for each one why it's a push shot and how you know?
The foul on the jacked up shot in the Filler/Blyler match was absolutely a good hit. The cue ball goes slightly forward then draws backward. THERE IS NO WAY the backspin could work unless the object ball goes slight forward after the cue ball is struck and slows down enough so that the cue ball could hit it again.
A lot of these are good hits lol. Whenever made this video knows nothing
Bullshit
@@toziassmitt most if not all are bad hits
the cue ball makes contact with the cue tip twice making it go forward.
@@strikermurda wrong
1:44. Let me just remind that SVB is deaf so it means he can't hear the tip touched the cueball.
Can he feel and see ?
@@cuesportclips11 He can feel and see
No worries then
The Strickland-Shaw match, I believe the audio clearly has Earl calling the 2, even though he shot the 10. It's a foul, ref called it immediately, and then reversed it after Earl bitched. Shaw was completely in the right to be upset, the rules should've been followed. It's the only thing to do at that point, follow the rules. Although, I never realized he pointed at the pocket with his cue. Interesting. If everyone heard 2, then rules shoulda been followed in my opinion, Earl's mistake.
he clearly intended the 10, it was just a miscall. There wasn't any bad intentions from him, I think Shaw perfectly knew he intended to pocket the 10.
However when you pocket uncalled balls (or in the wrong pocket) it's not a foul, it's just loss of turn.
Shaw should have contained himself and kept his professional composure though.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight I agree, but the same can be said about Earl.
Earl's intent was CLEARLY on the 10 ball, but he mis-spoke. Technically, he pocketed the wrong ball, leading to loss of turn. But I think Jason was being a jerk for calling it out. He knew Earl's intent. This is POOL; not a game of "mother, may I."
@@johnstorton I agree, Shaw should've never called him out on it. But once he did, only thing for ref to do is follow the rules.
You clearly don’t understand what a “push shot” is
You clearly don’t have the eye sight to see that these balls aren’t touching, meaning it 100% is a push shot.
@@cuesportclips11 there is no way the 3 shots at 30s, 2mins and 7mins are push shots.
@@AintLoyalNK he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
But you are 100% correct. Many of these weren’t fouls
Almost all the alleged push shots were legal hits. Joseph Blyer's, Shane Van Boening's, and Josh Filler's were all good hits. In pocket billiards rules, if you elevate your cue past 45 degrees in attempt to avoid a double hit, then a foul cannot be called. Furthermore, when hitting down on the cue ball like that, it will go forward first because it hops ever so slightly before the backspin takes. In the older clip where the guy pushed through, the balls were frozen. You can tell they were frozen because he didnt hit the cue ball very hard and it followed the object ball naturally... if there had bee a gap and double hit, the cue ball would bave reacted slightly differently. Also, the clip where Shane used the bridge... also not a foul. You can see in slow motion his cue never touched the cue ball. The ball bent to the viewer's right because it had top spin and the spin took after the slide on the new felt... a standard cue ball path, honestly. Some of the other shots weren't fouls, either but I really don't want to have to explain all of them. This is simply about knowing the rules and physics.
Wrong
@@cuesportclips11 - You generally disagree with a lot of people on your channel, particularly when most people are in agreement about something... maybe it's your thing? At any rate, everything I said was correct, factually speaking per the WPA and Matchroom official rulebook that professional pool players and regerees follow. So just because you say it's wrong pretty much means nothing to anyone with pool knowledge. I would love for you to tell SVB he's wrong and then watch him laugh at you. Also.. pretty insensitive you wrote on the one clip (when he uses the bridge) that he should be able to "hear" it, considering he's deaf and plays with his hearing aids off. What is the matter with you?
@@chili015 the 45° to avoid a double hit/ push has been debunked multiple times.
I didn’t say hear, I said, see, hear or feel, if he can’t hear, then he should be able to see it, if he can’t see it, he 1000% felt it, thanks for leaving that out though bud.
What pocket billard rules are you talking about?(edited after my stroke) These for the vast majority are WPA rules, where all these shots are illegal. The 45° only applies to derby city classic where you are allowed to double hit as long as you elevate cue to 45°. And imma be honest I stopped reading halfway through your comment because the first half was so stupid😂
great vid
This sport needs VAR
I don't think any of these were push shots. Maybe one of two
You don’t know pool then
They weren’t Andrew. This guy just doesn’t know pool. He loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
If the balls are frozen you are allowed to shoot straight through them without elevating. That’s why the ref didn’t call that.
it is pretty obvious he has no idea what he is talking about...
1:23 the cue ball obviously DID make the contact before the object ball. Why is it a foul then??
You must hit a rail AFTER contact with the object ball.
@@cuesportclips11 Well that's new to me. So if I don't pot the ball but it does touch the rail and the cue ball doesn't, is that a foul as well?
After the cue ball hits the object ball, ANY ball must hit a rail or it is a foul shot,
@@cuesportclips11 gotcha 👍🏻
Some of these they probably didn't notice. Fouls, but not bad sportsmanship. Also, in the very old videos, those push shots were not illegal. You were allowed to double contact the cue ball as long as you made only one stroke.
I thougbt, in the old video that the cue ball and object ball were touching.
Not true. A double hit push has been illegal since the late 1800s. You must be crazy. It simply did not get noticed then because thaey did not have high resolution video to examine the shot with and refs were less knowledgeable about that particular rule. A shooter was NEVER "allowed to double contact" "one stroke" or not.
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight nah bro
@@dustywallace1662 Cite!
@@dustywallace1662 The BCA was established in 1948, and it was illegal even before they established.
@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul
Disagree with Jennifer Barretta “poor sportsmanship” for not calling a foul on her self. That isn’t her responsibility. The opponent should be aware.
It's called morals. Some people have them, some don't
@@420fan2 Cool
It’s both their faults but more on the shooter because sometimes the player sitting down can’t see certain shots and they don’t wanna move while a player is shooting.
do you still have to hit a rail if you are totally snookered? I guess so
@@TicTac2 Yes you have to. After the cue ball hit the right object ball, one of them need to hit a rail. It's totally a foul.
sorry man I think the first shot was clean
maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8
not necessarily clear, especially without slow mo replay. usually the objective is to avoid double hitting first ball, opponent and shooter might not even be thinking about double hitting a second ball
Get your eyes checked asap.
Def not clean, illegal - get your eyes checked asap
Damn that earl vs shaw scene doesnt get old. Very controversial indeed.
can you explain what that was about? the video?sound isnt at all the best.
"No way he didn't see, hear or feel this" well you can take hear off that list where Shane is deaf lol
He’s not 100% deaf
@@cuesportclips11 He's 97% deaf. He uses a hearing aid.
I don't think you know what an illegal push shot is.
Well seeing as these balls aren’t frozen, they are all push shots, now what?
@@cuesportclips11 You still don't know.
@@billpii6314 I sure do
@@billpii6314 thanks for responding 6 months later
Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.
It’s a call ball game, Earl called the 2, this was a foul. He even admitted it.
He called the 10
@@menaceledennis nope, he called the 2.
The push rule wasnt introduced in those old clips so tot yem it wasn't illegal.
Some of those push shots might have been frozen to the object ball, making them legal shots. It's impossible to tell from the camera view.
and that jump push from Shane... ppssssshhh...
its so clear, i have to slow it down 5 times to see it.
1:25 it looks like the 2 combos a ball into the rail at the last second. Our camera angle makes it hard to see, but it would be easy in person
EARL 100% pointed his cue at the pocket and his cue ball was an inch from the 10. Jayson Shaw tried to cheat him. This shot, and 2 others were LEGAL the rest were all fouls. I call fouls on myself.
Earl even said “how did I ****ing do that” he 100% called the 2.
Gary are you on drugs?
@@cuesportclips11 Wow, your European Player Bias really shows here. You do realize they re-ran the video, and that the 10-ball was 1 inch from the Cue-ball right? Hey, "pool casual" 5 time US OPEN CHAMPIONS, dont MIS-AIM from 1 inch away!
@@garygwinn5818 Dude are you 97% deaf? He called the 2 and shoot the 10. Then he pointed the ref and said: "He didn't hear it", just like if the ref didn't hear, he didn't call. Like a child denying a foul his mother didn't see. Cheater!
@@phanminhtien8304 Hey dude, are you 100% unaware of pool etiquette? The man pointed his cue at the pocket, got down on the most obvious shot in pool history, and pocketed it. Both 2 and 10 are blue. The 2 is nowhere near the the area Earl is aiming. If you say you would jump in and start an argument, in the middle of play, because of something like that, when there is a referee watching the match, your not only ridiculous, but you have no level of sportsmanship whatsoever. In the end, its the Referee's call, and thats what you go by. Also, you dont get that Matchroom, Europe bias, with CSI. They call it fair and down the middle.
Did you are absolutely clueless about fouls and what happens in the game. I honestly saw three legit fouls
You realise there is not one frozen ball in this video? There is a gap between each ball. Therefore they are all push shots.
he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
1:48 Saying he should’ve seen heard or felt this. There’s very little contact it’s hard to see on video and SVB was born deaf haha
If anything touches your cue, you always feel it, especially contact like that.
When the cue ball/object ball are frozen, a certain amount of “push” is legal.
Wrong
@@cuesportclips11 3.23FOULS BY DOUBLE HITS If the cue ball is touching the required object ball prior to the shot, the player may shoot toward it, providing that any normal stroke is employed.
Disagree
@@cuesportclips11 - Well….you’re disagreeing with the official BCA rule book….because that’s where I copied/pasted from. So you can disagree as to whether or not it should be the rule. But it IS the rule.
Completely disagree bro
Dude. There were a few in here that weren't fouls. Just wow.
They were all fouls.
I know Jennifer Baretta personally and she has good sportsmanship and I don't think she would ever NOT call a foul on herself so I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't realize it. After all her opponent didn't notice it either.
If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.
“There is no way Shane didn’t hear this”. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Don’t misquote me.
@@cuesportclips11 paraphrased....but accurate to what you said about it 😂🙄
@@Kavik79 no it’s not. 🤡
@@cuesportclips11 you're a joke dude. No sense in arguing it.
@@Kavik79 hey bro, you left these here.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
those aren't push shots, they're double hits. push shots are different.
What’s the difference? They’re the same thing
Some of these were clear yeah, but like play 5:24 at 0.25x speed even while the clip plays in slow motion already, it definitely doesnt. Even paused the frame while the cue ball hovers with a gap above the 8 ball
Watch it at full speed, it clearly moves, A LOT.
Strickland never misses an opportunity to be the lesser human.
Didn't the old-timers play by a different rule regarding push shots? What Jimmy Caras did and Irving Crane did might not have been illegal back then. But I'm not sure. I wasn't around. Anybody know?
They were legal shots back in their day
0:44 wasn’t a push what the heck are talking about 😅 ,that cueball would have followed the 1 ball much farther possibly scratch
I hope your joking. He’s hitting it with draw. It follows then comes back to him
@@cuesportclips11 Yeah it was an elevated soft draw/elevated stun shot but not a push . For most referees that have good knowledge of the game they would never call a push on an elevated cue stroke because you never get that push reaction were the cueball and object ball move like they’re glued to each other .You are way off if you need me to illustrate please reach me on insta same names
@@BACKSPIN9ball it was a foul. Everyday of the week
@@cuesportclips11 - WPA and Matchroom rules clearly state when elevating your cue past 45 degrees in an attempt to avoid a double hit, no foul can be called, even if a double hit occurs. This has been a rule for a long time... no ref or player will ever call this a foul. This isn't even a matter of opinion, so it doesn't matter if you think it's a foul... the rules say it's not and that's the only thing that matters.
I’m not poking fun at Shane, but did you really suggest he heard a double contact? The man is deaf and you think he should’ve heard a double contact?
Maybe that’s the reason I said “hear, feel or see” did you miss those two words?
Damn! I'll never set foot in a pool hall again...the push shot is m y best and most often used shot. I just don't see it as that on some of these..
Good for the Scotsman calling this bullshine out!
Well it's pretty damn obvious you have NO clue what a "push shot" is 😂😂
U suck
@@cuesportclips11 how professional lmao
you can draw a push shot? never seen it done before... pretty sure Blyer's 1 ball hit was good...
Blyler
Loree was looking dead at the balls, clearly no rail, her own fault, but Jennifer is that type of player
I was there in the crowd for this and everybody was whispering to each other...
There was a sigh of relief from Beretta when Laurie John took her shot after that... Cheater.
I think there has to be a bit of referee’s discretion wrt the push shot. Some times it is virtually unavoidable when two balls are so close. So as long as the player has made a reasonable attempt to not double hit (for example Shane’s shot at the 10-ball at 2:00) I think that should be given the benefit of the doubt (and was treated as such by the referee).
Lol. Women not understanding the rules. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Like the video “creator”
Do you even know what a push is?
Yeah, look at the video.
he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
Earl is lucky Jason didn't knock him out. It was close. Earl had been asked to step outside, on occasion. One video is on UA-cam which Earl wisely declined.
I wish Jason had kicked the shit out of Earl.
Shaw would beat a guy like Strickland in a fight, but I would love to see Shaw talk to me the way he talks to some others. Trust me, Shaw would not be walking out of the pool hall. Dealt with many FAKE tough guys like Shaw when I was in the Marine Corps. Guys like Shaw are actually not that tough - they are blowhards and once you knock a few teeth out, they calm down a bit.
I've seen other times where Jennifer B didn't admit she fouled. She is a cheat, pure and simple.
It's not up to the shooter to call the foul on themselves, we used to always say...."you snooze....you lose"
@@rastabbatsar6012 Most pros do call their own fouls; especially in One Pocket.
Lol the person who made this video clearly doesn’t know what push shot is. Push shot is only called when 2 balls have gap in between. In some of these cases they are frozen and even plowing thru it is still a legal shot. Josh Filler shot was clearly NOT a foul at all.Please relearn the rule before posting videos.
There was not a single ball frozen in this entire video. Wake up.
he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
Whoever made this video really needs to learn the rules before posting a video about people breaking the rules, he/she doesn't have a clue.
So when the balls aren’t frozen, and you double hit, it’s not a foul? Wow you must be a genius
he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi
Actually jumping into the ball when it’s that close is one way to avoid the double hit…
Nice staff, It's strange that Marcel did not call a foul in 2nd shot. He's good ref, foul was obvious
If the 1 was frozen to the cueball it was a good hit… I assume it was because that ref is experienced but we couldn’t see