What if... the huntes only exist in the mind of the Pretorym? A nightmare implanted in their mind (e.g. by psionics) by a species wanting to survive. To make 'the monsters' go away. Completly unaware that the horrors they unleashed in the universe.
if they ever do add the hunters, I want then to be an extragalatic threat that slowly literally devours entire star systems, so as they expand the star systems literally disappear from the map so it looks like the galaxy is being extinguished. That would really help sell the dread aspect of the hunters
Awesome, glad you like it. I have a few other ideas for end game crises' which I have been mulling over in my head if your interested, which I would have already modded myself if I had a clue how to mod :/
THEN SO IT SHALL BE! *WARNING* This is gonna be a big'ol wall of text so i'm going to break each of the 4 events I had in mind into separate reply messages below Also, the first 3 are all related to ascension paths, the 4th is a custom one I thought of which is also my personal most desired event
1)Psyonic Ascension Crisis This first one isnt much new, but is rather just a modification to the existing psyonic "End of the Cycle" event to make it into a little bit more a crisis. The modifications to this could be rather simple. 1)The main Avatar that spawns exudes a "Hysteria" effect which causes pops on any planets in systems near to the Avatar to take a -20% happiness buff as the psyonic avatar causes feelings of dread in the populace. If the Avatar enters a populated system the pops on the planet will start slowly dieing off as long as it is in system and any fleet in system with it will take a slight debuff to its stats as the crew members on board the vessels feel its presence corrupting their very thoughts. 2)The main avatar would need some unique effect like a flickering translucent demonic visage flicking in and out of the main body (straight up Warhammer 40k style) and the main mass would summon smaller 25-40k avatars(2-8 at max depending on the difficulty) every year until the main avatar is eliminated 3)Being able to make a deal with more than one entity when you contact the shroud would need to be enabled as otherwise you would almost never get to see this event unless you hunt it down. The advantage with this event is that it doesn't need much to make it into a full crisis. Just some minor tweaks to really help bring it home.
2)Biological Ascension Crisis This one is aimed at those who took the biological path and who, in their hubris, modified a species too significantly and pay for their mistake. This is more designed to tear an empire apart from within like the flood, so if you like them then this will probably appeal to you. 1)Once the biological perk is researched, any species can be modified without ill effect with 4 traits. Once more than 4 traits are modified on the individual species then the event has a 20% chance to trigger for each new trait added or removed from the species. 2)The event will start with a warning appearing stating that some of the modified species start to receive strange new growths. About 25-50% of the modified species will gain the new trait for the growths, which initially wont do anything. The player at this point in order to stop the crisis must purge this pops with these growths to avoid it progressing. However, the crisis has a chance to start again EACH time this happens to a species, so if a player purges all the pops with the growths and then adds 5 traits to a new species it will have the chance to start again on the new species. 3)The next stage will begin with the infected species gaining the "ravenous hunger" trait about 5 years after the first event which increases food consumption by 20% from these pops. 4)The third stage will trigger after another 5 years with cross species mutations occurring where other species in your empire will begin obtaining these growths. This will have the ability to happen to species on other worlds that are not housing the original infected pops to enhance the internal chaos going on once it kicks off. 5)The 4th stage then begins, where the crisis starts proper. Ever infected pop will simultaneously turn into a "Consumed army" which has the power of a gene modded army. Basically ever planet host to the mutations will begin being attacked. HALF the players fleet will immediately be corrupted by the Consumed and will start attacking everything in sight. 6)A new random planet will spawn(similar to the original AI event) which will produce ships for the Consumed. The consumed WILL NOT use standard armies(that's boring and too similar to the prethroryn), but will instead use infection ships which will land on a planet and immediately convert 2-3 pops on the planet into hostile armies. The ships generated by the infection will be the same style as ships of the parent empire that spawned it. (Unfortunately due to coding limitations I doubt an entirely new type of ship design can be created so the generated ships will probably just need to have a green/yellow particle effect). Any generated ships will have weapons equal to the empire that spawned it at the time of the crisis occurring, so your strength becomes theirs. Any conquered planets that are conquered by them become spawning grounds similarly to the prethroyn. This crisis is mostly aimed at tearing your empire apart from within by turning your own pops against you. Because of that it will need some balancing and new ship effects so as to not appear to similar to the prethroyn or the other generic AI empires. Unfortunately, this is probably the hardest of the crisis's to make interesting as it would require a lot of work to really sell it but I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for talented programmers to implement.
"The Hunters have arrived!" "Oh my God! What do they want?" "It appears they want canvas sir." "Canvas? Why?" "They appear to be a race of clones made from a human artist who lived in the 20th century of enlightened thought on their world. A being known as The Bob Ross. He apparently painted great works of art that are celebrated to this day." "What are they doing now?" "Sir they are creating a visual effect known as the happy tree opon the surface of the world. Rumor has it that this entity doesn't make mistakes only incidents known as happy accidents." "Diabolical."
The Hunters are the Blorg. The Prethoryns were so disgusted and terrified of them they left their galaxy and the Blorg determined to make friends kept chasing after them.
I think it would be cool if you could send a intergalactic ship to a different Galaxy and use that to set up a portal allowing your military ships to go through, allowing you to conquer another galaxy, but this galaxy would have fallen empires that would become awakened and fight you, so conquering these places would require significant strength.
That would be a really good end game idea, when you have defeated all other civilizations. While at this point fallen empires would be easy to defeat that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a bigger fish, like the scourge, but they would still be alive.
To be honest I don't think the hunters are any of those things. Think about this. When the Scourge arrive in a galaxy they eat everything and move on. While the Scourge say the Hunters destroy galaxies, the only galaxies they actually destroy are the ones that the Scourge have already overrun. So what if they are literally a race of Hunters who have decided that their ultimate prey are the Scourge? They could arrive after the scourge, see you have destroyed them and label YOU as their new prey.
we only know that the hunters consume galaxies and that the scourge was almost destroyed by them. we dont know if they specifically tkae galaxies that the scourge infested or if they take any galaxy and the scourge is running from what equates to an intergalactic tidal wave
It could very well be that the Hunters just go after the Prethoryn in some sort of oversized pest extermination. Infested? burn it! KIll it with fire and nuke its ashes!
Does anybody else think that the Giant Skeleton event where you find the skeletal remains of an organic ship is a Prethoryn scout ship sent in advance to see if the galaxy had enough life to feed on?
What if the name ‘Hunters’ is a reference to the Dark Forest theory from Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy? The theory is that the universe is a dark forest and every civilization/species in it a hunter that will kill anyone and anything they encounter, including other hunters, be it for resources or because they don’t trust that another species would not kill them first. They would even go as far as to launch Dimension Strikes, in which they would destroy the uppermost dimensions of reality within a star system to annihilate a civilization (such as destroying the third dimension to flatten the area). This meant that civilizations would have to avoid broadcasting their existence for fear of others targeting them with doomsday weapons. If that was so, then the Hunters could literally be THE top hunter in the forest. But that’s just my theory.
Come to think of it, the hunter's names could deceiving. The hunters only went after galaxies the scourge have overrun, and where they would have likely inadvertently killed off all other life, or bio-engineered it to be like them, the hunters could just be trying to "liberate" what the scourge have taken over. Not only this but they could potentially come after you if you were like the scourge, transforming planets for your own needs, killing off/bio-engineering other species for your own hive mind dystopia.
But my bio-ascended empire isn't a hive mind or a dystopia! They're humans who love daddy Worm and just want to help all the other, younger races survive in a cruel and dangerous galaxy, so they take in all refugees and make them super-cute or super-strong or super-smart, in addition to converting them to their Xenophiliac, Egalitarian ideology of course. Can't have a Militarist or Authoritarian faction messing up my influence gains! I hand out the "Conformist" genetic trait and star base Black Sites like Oprah... It actually works though. I still have only those two factions in that particular run because of my insane GEA (also took the "One Vision" perk which again, does wonders for my influence gain and empire cohesion). It's like Star Trek's Federation only more realistic, because it works by making everyone a little more conformist/collectivist than they normally would be and I mean, comon, when you're an ugly little space rat who evolved on a Tomb World and everyone hates you so much that they enslave your entire race and even kick some of you off your homeworld, and then a nation of humanoids as ugly as you takes you in, makes you so cute/strong/smart that everyone loves you, and gives you full citizenship in their empire...why would you NOT love them!?
For now this seems like a simple homage to the lore of Tyranids from WH40k universe. There were hints once in their codexes saying the Tyranids are actually running away from even bigger threat.
At the same time though it is said that the Tyranids are attracted to the Holy Light o the Emperor AKA the Golden Throne. Semi jokingly its said that they Tyranids find the light annoying or are attracted to it like a moth to flame. However, it is said that their are larger threats beyond the tyranids and that they are the buffer between us and them.
The3cats4me the astronomicon cannot be seen from tau space, it is not reaching outside the galaxy, the thing that attracted them was called the pharos beacon which was supposed to be a mini version but was destroyed by chaos, that triggered a quantum pulse thing that was detected by the tyranids and they thought that it could only have been produced by sentient life The tyranids are NOT running from anything the idea comes from before the tyranids were a actual thing and were a bunch of centaurs using biological technology, they were retconned as running from the tyranids as they were supposed to be a slave race before gw realized that was a stupid idea for tyranids to have slaves there is no lore whatsoever of tyranids running from things other than starvation
Current Lore in W40k is that the Tyranids are running away from... other Tyranids. The Tyranids that are invading the W40k galaxy are essentially the 'herbivores' of their messed up ecology. There are predatory Tyranids who, over the course of millions of years, evolved to hunt other Tyranid fleets due to lacking the food supplies needed to make the trip across the divide between galaxies. They are now unable or unwilling to revert back to their planet eating ways and may or may not have split into their own separate hive mind. The scourge could be similar, running from an off shoot of their race with their own hive mind that have evolved to eat the Prethorians due, perhaps, to overpopulation in their home galaxy.
There is a popular sci fi 4x game called sins of a solar empire. In the lore there was a very powerful race that controlled the centre of the galaxy. one day from the centre of the galaxy they started too lose contact with planets. Eventually they sent ships in too deal with it, but they were all wiped out instantly. And so the the survivors of that race continued too travel outwards too the end of the galaxy while whatever it was at the centre is speeding up destroying everything it comes across. The hunters could be a reference too that.
The Scourge remind me of the Yuzangvong from the Star Wars EU, so maybe the Hunters refer to something similar in that universe. I could imagine a race of beings who literally eat the life energy of planets being the scariest thing to the Scourge with their boi based weapons.
ilmevavi closer to the Yuuzahn Vong. Both are running from their home galaxy. Both use bio tech. Both have higher reseaoning. Both just want to survive. The Tyranids just wanna eat everything.
Ah, fanatical purifiers You start by killing off opposing tribes. Then kill opposing city states. Then opposing empires.. Take control of whole world, eradicate the undesirables. Fly out into space, glad its finally over. Find other worlds, nuke them. Form a civilization spanning a large part of the galaxy. By now others like you just give up, reform government and pick up agrarian idyll, retire into a peaceful life, dream of megastructures, but not you. ...The fallen empire is destroyed, so much has been lost in the war, but it had to be done. For every moment an alien lives, a devious plan for our destruction is made. Our glorious civilization has built a new type of interstellar travel, a jump drive. We may use it to travel between galaxies. And other galaxies were purged of life, taken to be ours. ...then the unbidden spawned. We thought, in this remote galaxy group, we would be safe... But there are other dimensions... ah, im buying a farm that +1 unity is very good
The flood would make the perfect counter to the scourge. The scourge are organic, and the flood uses the biomass to expand, so a living fleet would be a feast for them. This could explain why the scourge are so afraid of the hunters
@@lebronjames1472 It's pretty silly to assume that extragalactic hivemind that is entirely organic has an immune system comparable to anything found in the halo series other than the flood itself. The perfect counter to an organic threat is something that is inorganic and vice versa. Because then you have things like the Contingency/Unbidden where neither the flood nor scourge would have any kind of chance, there's always a bigger fish.
@@HoodieProduction the flood at galactic stage can rewrite reality using neural physics (at least in halo science) they at that point become basically gods. They also have the logic plague for the contingency so at the point of galactic stage flood they are as close to unstoppable as possible when they can simply think the unbidden gate closed and talk the contingency into basically suicide
@@UnholyWrath3277 Unfortunately even then I doubt they could actually “win” turns out the Players are canon in the lore of Stellaris and could simply wish them away, or use console commands, or just add a mod to make the Flood go kaput. Or hell the Blokkats would have a field day with the the flood
i would really like if they intruduce the hunter like a Huge fleet(just 1) after defeating the scourge, and have like a capital dreadnought that consumes mater to make it works and devour the galaxy bit by bit
In the mod Gigastructural engineering, they introduce this "hunter" crisis as the Blokkats, which is kinda a meme, but they are ridiculously strong. They are said to be an intergalactic empire that has obliterated a biological hivemind a while ago (hinting the scourge). They invade your galaxy with one of 2000+ harvesters, and even that single one spawns giant armadas that are millions in fleet power at the lowest difficulty. To defeat the harvester, you have to research and build a certain megastructure to get rid of its invulnerable shield.
The story of the Scourge and the Hunters is very reminiscent of that of the Vasari Empire and their hunters from Sins of a Solar Empire. Both the Prethoryn and the Vasari were once massive empires that ruled a massive amount of territory, but something unknown started eating at their empires and forced them on the run after they realized they couldn't beat them.
I think the Hunters are based on the Qu from the book All Tomorrow’s, and they are the reason the Scourge look that way, they mutated the Scourge from a thriving civilization into their sentient biological ships. The Qu are super advanced biological creatures that can traverse space and have the ability to transform life into whatever twisted thing they want, like transforming humans into living waste treatment systems and sentient livestock without the ability to speak. The Hunters did the same thing to the Scourge, they mutated an entire thriving civilization into sentient living ships that eventually found an opportunity to escape, and have been running ever since.
Psychosmurf5471 that is beautiful, I adore the sounds of smashing the fourth wall honestly this is my favourite idea as it's so accurate, we enter the game to 'hunt' conquering the galaxy of players or ai empires also it allows the developers to actually implement a enemy that truly does live up to its reputation for no matter what we all know the galaxies we play in we do also end, as they get boring giving credit to them laughing at the prospect of the empires we play as, surviving our eventual boredom
There have been 4th wall breaks in the past. The civilisation that killed themselves to avoid participating in a grand game for a higher power, they were referring to the Player, playing Stellaris.
Maybe when the Developers do add in the Hunters they will come a bit after the Scourge and the Scourge will try to make an alliance with every other Empire in the game. But the Scourge dont give back the planets they took until the Hunters are defeated and if an Empire doesn't join it will ally to all other ones that dont join and go to war with the Scourge alliance and the Hunters. But maybe they make it to where only large technologically advanced Empires wont join the Scourge. So there would be no stopping every Empire in the galaxy from going to war.
9:45 But don't you see? The Hunters are obviously the Blorg! The Prethoryans are simply disgusted by the hideousness of the Blorg form, not knowing that all they want is to give hugs to their friends. Those fungi sure are persistent to chase them from galaxy to galaxy. What good friends they must be.
Wlodmir It is mentioned they eat galaxies. Whether the eaten galaxies are completely scourged up and they eat it due to a lack of de-scourging means is unknown. It could be possible that the Hunters are biological and for some reason is unable to disinfect planets. If so they wouldn't be a threat.
I personally think the hunters are a horde of dimensional horrors. They breached into our reality and now unleash hell, given how strong one single dimensional horror is I think it’s feasible.
and the one you defeat is only partially in the galaxy. i don't even think you kill it just force it to dip back into its home dimension allowing the rift to close
Personally I think the hunters are a species from our dimension which attack other galaxies, I like to think of them like the flood from halo or the mgnal mgnal from Star wars legends
My God I was shifting through my old playlist and found this video. I can’t believe I first stumbled on your channel all those years ago back when I first started playing Stellaris (I also can’t believe how old Stellaris is now). I guess I was ‘rediscovering’ you when I started watching your videos last year.
Imagine the halo arrays are added as mega structures instead of ring worlds they fire and kill all fleets and life in the galaxy and it’s called a super endgame crisis when the flood invade as a halo dlc
My idea for the Hunters as an endgame crisis is 30 years after the Prethoryn Scourge have arrived, there is a 50% chance that "The Hunters" appear, they spawn on the outer rim close to where the scourge originally came from, after that, an event is placed in the situation log called "Translate Prethoryn Transmission" for 5000 society research, when it is completed a window will come up with a Prethoryn messenger saying "THEY HAVE ARRIVED, ALL HOPE OF SURVIVAL HAS BEEN LOST" I'll let Paradox do the rest :D.
After defeating the scourge, an event happens. Essentially your scientists track the scourge’s path and realize their path begins at a place with no galaxies, however older star-charts from your pre-ftl empire shows that there was galaxies in that location, but not anymore. Btw this isn’t fan-lore, this is an actual thin in-game
eh, honestly i would like to be able to deal with the scourge diplomatically, especially if i am playing a fellow hive mind that has an easier time understanding the Prethoryn due to mutual understanding of being collective intelligences. i would like to be able to help them gather enough energy to begin their next exodus and maybe a quantum entanglement communicator to tell them if and when the hunters fail to destroy me and tell them they can stop running. or tell them to keep running if we fucked up. giving hope to a species that has been on the run for eons is something the xenophile in me would love to do.
The name itself: The Hunters should give some good clue what they are we can safely conclude that this is not some intangible idea or some sort of technology no it is some sort of race so physically fearsome and technologically advanced that nothing and no one can defeat it alone
Maybe the Hunters are like "The Silence" from the game Grey Goo: not quite organic and not quite mechanical, but want to devour any and all energy they come across. Also the Scourge being organic invaders from outside the galaxy fits with the Tyranids from Warhammer, and the Yuuzhan Vong from older Star Wars 'legends' stories.
In addition, within 100 years of taming the queen if the main species is Trait Psionic, the queen will tell the telepaths about a " *hole in the void* " and lead them to discover that the galaxy the Prethoryn came from has been *extinguished* by something. -Stellaris Wiki
What if "the hunters" are the contingency? They don't have to really chase the scourge because they're already in every galaxy? And surly an extra galactic empire would be "class 30 singularity" worthy so the contingency would activate wherever they go
@@TheJMan5c i think a class 30 singularity is a civilization that can enter the shroud. for example a player empire that becomes the crisis or the blokkats.
@@Lvzeeey that's kinda what I think it could be to, I watched some videos about how the unbidden could've once been an empire like ours then it completed it's engine you know?
8:17 why would they collapse in on themselves? a human cell weights about 1 ng and we're not collapsing so i assume that you're thinking of a sphere made out of nanobots which would get massive enough to become a black hole in that time with the gives growrates but this wont happen -the nanobots would need to consume the same amount of matter (so there wouldve already been a black hole) -they cannot use most of the matter to replicate because 99% is hydrogen and helium (they would need to fuse those aka becoming a star) -they would need to very stupid to clump together as a giant ball, even before becoming a black hole the pressure and heat inside the ball would likely destroy them. a giant ball would also be extremely uneffective (given that you need only 1 nanobot to convert entire planets in the matter of hours)
The prethoryn honestly rind me of the Vasari in Sins of a Solar Empire. Massive empire on the run from an unknown danger through multiple galaxies. The Vasari were implied to be running from a nanite plague of their own accidental making, but it wasn't ever stated definitely. I wonder what the Scourge fears.
What if the hunters are the actual Imperium of Man? The prethoryn are the Tyrranids, except the Imperium somehow received a boost in technology and managed to invade the Tyrranid's home galaxy. The "devouring galaxies" could just mean that the Imperium purges everything left and right at the first available opportunity, especially considering a galaxy full of alien space bugs where they would just do a giant galaxy-wide exterminatus.
There should deffo be an end-game crisis like that. Just a hyper-strong ancient empire that conquered its own galaxy and didn't stop there, expanding to other galaxies to dominate and exterminate. They could demand surrender - meaning your pops get purged and you lose - or they fight you. With technology more advanced than Fallen Empires.
I think if you are mammal they will just conquer some of your planets, and if you are a human they will make you their vassals-or even form alliance, if your are very low on fleet power.
"Sir we've translated the transmission from the ancient hunter species. This doesn't make any sense, all they're saying is 'Happy Trees' over and over what could it mean? Could it be their war cry?"
Just curious, what makes you say the Chaos to be too weak to fit the hunters? the Chaos marines and daemons are basically winning 40k as of the 8th edition lore, and as I'm sure you know, the capabilities of the Imperium far outstrip that of even the fallen empires, so I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind why the stellaris chaso equivalent
I'm pretty sure the Imperium is not more advanced than the Fallen Empires. They certainly have more resources yes, but I have yet to see the Imperium build Ring Worlds, Dyson Spheres, Colossi, or any megastructures for that matter. The most the Imperium can muster is something the size of maybe a Titan, maybe. I'd say most empires in 40k are about mid-game empires in terms of capabilities. Given another 1 or 2 centuries (provided they actually progress technologically which, I mean, comon, this is the Imperium we're talking about. Innovation is heresy, and invention is full-blown blasphemy.) they might start scratching the surface of macro-engineering. The Eldar are definitely a Fallen Empire mixed with the Nomads (cuz of the Craftworlds) as are the Dark Elder (although they don't technically have territory, just Comoraugh) The Orks are a "player" empire (if they can even be called an empire or a society, more of a Horde I think) Come to think of it maybe the Imperium is basically just an Awakened Fallen Empire. They were extremely advanced at one point, then the AI Uprising Crisis hit them hard, so they survived by purging AI and going back to the biological basics and basically re-rolled their ascension perks to go down the Psionic Ascension path. Of course that led to the Unbidden spawning, which awakened both the Eldar and Dark Eldar FE's. Then the Scourge appeared, then the Necron FE (which nobody knew about) re-appeared and Awakened. The Ork Horde is just basically going on a rampage like they always do, and the end result is a galaxy of Awakened FE's (Imperium being one of them) all fighting each other and not 1 but 2 End-game Crises factions... Good god what a shitshow, but what a hell of a Stellaris game come to think of it lol.
Man, I remember one of my first games I got the scourge, and I had an 8K strong Battleship fleet, each battleship with a Megacannon, and I figured that they could handle it, so I sent them all the way across the galaxy. No survivors, even if Escape Pods were onboard they’d be worthless, prolonging their fate before they either die in the vacuum of Space, or are consumed by the Scourge
The scourge remind me quite a bit of the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars expanded universe. The yuuzhan vong were on a crusade to destroy technology to prevent it from becoming a gestalt machine consciousness, which was far more powerful than them, something like what the Cybrex COULD have been. Perhaps, just perhaps, the scourge are on the run from a more powerful form of the contingency, which is itself simply a satellite force of a greater enemy.
Reading from Liu Cixin's novel series, I think the hunter might be a hyper-dimensional creature so advance they could destroy a solar systems or even a galaxy so easily the Scourge could do nothing but run.
There is only one other crisis that comes to mind. The way this one communicates sounds like something that wishes to dispose of everything that stands as a threat to the universe and the very fabric it is made up of. It is a stretch but it is just as hostile as it is to any other should it deem it be dangerous. What if this crisis is what the Scourge fears the most? What if "The Hunters" are not organic beings? What if the Scourge is running from the worst of the worst? What if it's something we have fought before? The Contingency. If you think about it, it's the only other crisis that would cause the destruction of civilizations and species who pose great potential power and threat. What if the Scourge was truly a massive empire that spanned galaxies and consumed civilizations for fun or unique abilities that could be found (something similar to a certain anime out there with giant humanoid monsters and a girl with a red scarf). However, when the Contingency arrived, being the police force of the universe that it wishes to be, it would deem the Scourge to be a true threat to the universe and had it mostly squashed to the ground. Now the Scourge hides and runs from it, hoping to eliminate it with enough power from feasting upon civilizations. But, what if The Scourge is just the parent most of us had that wanted us to be stronger in one way or another through any means necessary? The hard love parent, so to speak. Perhaps the Scourge had given up hope to defeat the Contingency, so they go to consume the galaxies they invade, wishing to test us, laughing at us as they consume our worlds and pops. Laughing at us for thinking we are strong to eliminate the Contingency like they once tried. Perhaps, the Scourge truly wishes the Contingency to be destroyed and knows its once great empire is all but squabbled by the foot of the Fleets and Armies of "The Hunters". So, they prepare the others to do what they could not. Stop the Contingency. That is why they invade. Not to keep running, but rather prepare us for the worst. But, at the end of the day, we will never know. It's my take on it.
My headcanon is that the hunters are a race that spawned when the universe was created. That's why they have had so much time to advance their technology. I would liken them to the Predators, they just hunt for bragging rights. And they only leave destruction in their wake, that is why the scourge is afraid of them
7:10 - do you think Chaos is weak? The warp is the multi/omniverse(or is connected to them) ["The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds." Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius] [“A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point - and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.” pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus] Thoughts can destroy or create thousands of universes in the warp ["Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible. Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?" Pg.712 A Thousand Sons] Chaos is older than time [All around him, he could hear the sounds of the future, of warfare and death. The thought that he shared the guilt of the destruction of the Emperor’s dream was the greatest shame and sorrow he had ever known. An end to it all would be a blessed relief. ‘Oblivion,’ he whispered as he closed his eyes. ‘Do it. End me.’ The barriers in Fulgrim’s mind dropped and he felt the elation of a creature older than time as it poured into the void in his soul. No sooner had its touch claimed his flesh for its own than he knew he had made the worst mistake of his life. Fulgrim screamed as he fought to keep it out, but it was already too late. His consciousness was crushed into the dark, unused corners of his mind, forever to be a mute witness to the havoc wrought by his body’s new master. One moment Fulgrim was a primarch, one of the Emperor’s Children, the next he was a thing of Chaos." Pg.757 Fulgrim] ["A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions." Pg.619 Descent of Angels] ["All I can tell you is that the warp is beyond the comprehension of you or I, and things exist in its fathomless depths that are older than time as we know it.’" Pg.359 Battle For the Abyss] Schrodinger's Slaanesh/Chaos [That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all -Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16] [That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cuase then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always exsted in the Warp, and yet had never existed. -Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition, pg.7] [The sheer mind-boggling impossibiliry of the Warp defies explanation, and those who attempt to delve further into understanding its ways inevitably slip into madness. Of the little that is known is that Warp space does not conform to the laws of physics as we know them. -Warhamer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 144] [It is a hurning ocean of chaos, raw emotion and madness given form, where the laws of physics, time and nature are meaningless concepts and nothing is as it seems. -Warhammer 40k 4th Edition Rulebook pg. 122] [In warp space there is no time, no distances, only a constantly flowing stream of immaterium. -Battle Fleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 85] [It is a roiling, howling maelstorm of force and energy, utterly unpredictable and not subject to the rational laws and linear flow of time in the way that physical reality is. -Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal, pg. 16] [Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds. -Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 6] [Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds. -Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 4] [Timeless and ever-shifting, this psychic visionscape is known as the Realm of Chaos -Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6] [The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space. --Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6] The Empy holding reality against Chaos consuming the universe throughout space time. ["His immense psychic powers envelop and protect Mankind across the entire galaxy. His consciousness wanders through Warp space, warring against the Daemons that inhabit it, keeping closed the doors between this world and the next. If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos." -Warhammer 40k 5th Edition rulebook, pg.101] [Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of machinery, the Emperor's mind stretches out through space and time - a light in a vast gulf of blackness. -Warhammer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg.134] [Outwardly, the Emperor is but a desiccated corpse, kept alive partly by the cyclopean, mystical machine of gold wrought by his own hand and partly by a will so powerful that it transcends the bounds of the blackened, shrivelled husk of his body. Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of machinery, the Emperor’s mind stretches out through space and time - a light in a vast gulf of blackness. Should that spark of life ever be extinguished - should the Throne fail in its mysterious purpose - then Mankind would surely be lost. -Warhammer 40k 7th Edition Rulebook] ["Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The stasis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology. His immense psychic Powers reach out from the Golden Throne, enveloping and protecting Mankind across the enemy-strewn galaxy, a beacon of light in the malevolent darkness. If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consurning Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos." -Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg.137] ["Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space." -Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 144] [Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space. -Warhammer 40k 7th Edition rulebook] ["They are never sated. The abominations from the Warp will not rest untii they have consumed not just Mankind, but the universe as well. All will be ruin; all will be Chaos." -Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 234] V - have a look at the 1st comment as well.
[Fear to tread pg.814 The swirling sphere of immaterial witch-fire lost cohesion and, like a dying, drowning man striking out with mad violence as death encroached, it clawed at the planets and suns of the Signus Cluster, ripping at their surfaces and sucking in matter. But it could not hold. This time the psychic scream was suffocated and a brief supernova blossomed before the fire bled their out into embers and at last, nothingness.] [Strike Force Ultra Data sheet. 477.M39 By the Dying Light Daemonic servants of Tzeentch create Warp rifts inside each of the twin suns of Haark. Soon, the leering faces upon the stars drive the entire population of the system insane, but the Daemons’ incessant bickering triggers a duel-nova event. With the fate of the system now measured in hours, the Black Consuls Chapter send in Strike Force Ultra Varnor to recover sacred relics from the time of their founding. Captain Varnor and his brothers brave both Daemons and madmen in the burning cities of Haark to collect the relics, narrowly escaping into the void only moments before the stars die spectacularly.] [A planetary system loomed up. He slowed further and steered close to take a good look at it. Its sun was huge, except that it was not what he would normally think of as a sun. It was not spherical but a flat disc, in colour a brilliant shimmering green. There were at least twenty different planets, each a different colour- mauve, russet, lemon yellow, magenta- but they were not arranged as planets normally are. Instead of being roughly in the same plane, their orbits criss-crossed at all angles, linke the electrons of an atom, and sometimes more than one planet shared the same orbit.Then something appeared which caused Calliden to sit stock-still with shock. A figure was flying through the system, and it was bigger than the planets themselves, bigger than the disc-shaped green sun. A vaguely humanoid figure but crimson-furred, with a ferociously fanged, dog-like head, eyes glaring like pits of blood from beneath jutting horns, the head topped by great angled horns plus a twisted unicorn horn jutting from the crown. The creature was flying by, flapping great membranous wings which put a dozen planets in shadow with each pass. It wore brief, ornately worked armour down to the waist, glinting red and black, close-fitting except at the shoulders whch were protected by raised and extravagently worked pieces. The curve-bladed battle-axe it carried in one hand, holding the haft loosely as it flew, was bronze-black and vaster than any weapon should be. A supernatural energy seemed to flow and crackle through the unbelievable apparition, making it more solid-seeming, more real, than any natural creature."What- what-"Calliden stuttered until his mind found a rational explanation. "It's a hallucination. Can you see it, Kwyler?"Though frightened, Kwyler was not quite as astonished as the navigator. "It is real," he said quietly, his mouth dry. "A daemon, one of rank too."Now something happened which confused Calliden at first. The apparition seemed to be retreating. Too late, be realized that it in fact was approaching, but diminishing in size at the same time.The daemon seemed angry. It flew alongside the Wandering Star, no more than twenty times the size of the spacecraft now, glancing at it sidelong with its smouldering eyes, wings beating majestically."How can it use those wings to fly in space?" Calliden queried hysterically."It flies on warp currents. Be careful. Don't do anything. Perhaps it will go away."Calliden shrieked and pulled on the controls as the warp entity, in a sudden rage, swung round and lashed out with the battle-axe, itself larger than the starship. The Wandering Star jinked aside, narrowly missing being crushed by the blow, then sped off.The daemon did not follow. The spaceship was too minute to be worth the bother, no more significant than a gnat. When last he looked Calliden saw the immense Chaos creature, system-sized again, taking his frustration out on one of the circling coloured worlds, batting it sidewise with the flat of the battle-axe, and sending the broken pieces hurtling into the disc-shaped sun.For the very first time the navigator felt that now he truly understood what it was that the divine Emperor was striving to protect the human race from.Briefly he wondered if the smashed planet had had a human population.-Eye of Terror] [Multiple multi-coloured suns fled past, some misshapen, some ring-shaped, some joined together in complicated patterns by filaments of light and fire, some surrounded by what looked like intricate decorations made of gold and silver and brass. There was no consistency; no two were identical. It was a storm-enwrapped minor universe in which the normal laws of physics did not count. The will and imagination of daemons counted for more."The Rose Cluster," Kwyler kept saying. "Took for the Rose Cluster."Calliden found it, coming at him from the darkness and distance, and despite everything that had already happened, he gasped with wonder."Maynard!" he called. "Come and look at this!"The trader staggered from the pallet where he had been lying and peered out blearily. His arms dropped limply. His jaw sagged.The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the cluster was unremarkable.Except that all the stars were an entrancing pink colour. And the entire cluster had the shape of a rose. It was all there, the curving petals, hundreds of light years across, picked out in sheets of stars and glowing gas - also pink - the petals foliated one within another, layered down to a softly blazing heart. Some mighty daemon with a sense of beauty had crafted this. Calliden powered the telescope, feeding its image to the view-screen. One of the stars forming the cluster appeared before them. It, too, was in the shape of a rose, its radiant plasma magically suspended to form identical layers of soft petals."Every single sun in there is the same," Kwyler told him. "And that's not all. Every one of the planets in there is shaped like a rose too. Thousands upon thousands of them."- Eye of Terror] ["I remember gold. A golden web of glowing threads, spreading through the black, stretching into infinity. The threads split and divided, met and joined, over and over, slicing the emptiness into sharp slivers. I spun through the web. My body blinked between shapes: a silver hawk, a circle of fire, a sickle of moonlight. Rainbow sparks danced in my wake, and the golden web sang at my passing. I felt joy. I had made that journey many times in dreams before that moment, but that was the first time I had dived into the Great Ocean at my own will. It felt like breaking into air after drowning. It felt like returning home. I flew, my thoughts stretching across time and space, my will snapping realities and remaking them. It was so easy, it was like nothing, but it was everything." - Ahriman: King of Ashes] ["Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible. Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?" - A Thousand Sons, pg 712] ["Ka’Bandha fell through the hidden spaces between worlds. The occulted gears of creation rushed by him. In the machineries of being were the inner secrets of the universe displayed to him. The daemonkin of Tzeentch would have damned a dozen eternities for a glimpse of what he saw, but Ka’Bandha did not care for knowledge. The things on display were valueless to him, and the wonders of infinity whirled by unappreciated. Ka’Bandha fell forever and for no time at all, until a wave of change rippled out through the multi-dimensional space he infected, upsetting the delicate workings of infinite, interleaved universes. Ka’Bandha howled in triumph. The promised storm had been unleashed." - The Devastation of Baal]
6:30 Maybe it's the Dimensional Horror leviathan's species? The curators state that the single one that is stuck halfway in it's portal could single-handedly devour life in the galaxy were it not stuck in the portal
This really gives me a vibe for the pre-Halo activation humans in Halo. For those who don't remember: Before the activation of the Halo rings, the Forerunners were being ravaged by humanity, who had absurdly advanced technology, and were very powerful as a result, however, they weren't conquering, they were running, from the Flood, of course; and we all know how that went. Like I said, this gives me a similar vibe, albeit twisted around so the purely organic spacefarers are the ones running away from the super-advanced techo-wizard space gods.
I always felt like the Scourge and Hunters were somewhat based on the Aliens and Predators. With the Hunters being a civilization from the earliest era of the universe reaching a point where their culture and society stagnated and they turned to alternate forms of entertainment, such as hunting interesting prey. This eventually became their entire identity, and they've spent the past generations hunting the Scourge who have been the most 'fun'. Unlike Fallen Empires though, they probably stagnated much later, after colonizing their entire galaxy and developing the technology to move beyond it. Of course this is all based on the "Hunters" being how they identify themselves, and not just a title granted to them by the Scourge. It's entirely possible they're just misunderstood.
That future race idea i like it but what if the hunters are the players race but from the future and have mastered time its self they use this to send a huge and advanced flotilla fleet that can contain its self forever back in time to where the scourge came from to prevent a war that was happening in there time where the scourge where locked in and inter-galactic war with the players empire from the future. To prevent this they almost wiped out the scourge however they unwillingly or unknowingly sent them to the milky-way and the player race thousands of years before your ready yet you beat them anyway . The hunters would show up and it could be that you literally fight your own race. on a galactic scale and it could end with an inter-galactic scale.
Last Spartan71 Speaking of player empires and time travel, I have a head cannon about the Unbidden. The Unbidden are the end result of the survivors of the Unbidden crisis, after they are destroyed, the physical species further advance the Jump Drive and study the portals the Unbidden used to move into our dimension and we unlock the ability to access higher dimensions and live in them. Eventually the first empire to reach these higher dimensions is able to travel back and forth in time and others in their Galaxy follow them into these higher dimensions. They fight each other so as they can complete their goals. Eventually they see that lower dimensional beings are jump driving into the higher dimensions and some of the empires head into the lower dimensions to hide from the other empires. And then you have the big reveal that the original empires have slowly shifted over the course of billions of years to look like the Unbidden and it turns out the whole thing is a cycle.
The hunters could very possibly be a reference to the Tyrannids which are bio-organic life forms that are a hive mind and want nothing more to consume all and add to their bio-mass. I thought the Scourge were a reference to the Nids though?
You should make a lore video of the yuth empire... i think it would be interesting... and the whole "history of a random galaxy" stuff someone suggested sounds fun too... keep it up man gj.
Watching this 5 years later I honestly believe that the hunters are whatever the species of voidspawn is. I know that the voidspawn is fairly new with the distant stars update in comparison to the scourge but when it hatches, if you talk to the curators they'll tell you that it is a baby from a species so big that it's estimated to be able to eat entire galaxies just like the supposed hunters. Coincidence? I think not. Assuming that this is true though it would mean that the hunters have either already been to our galaxy or that the egg drifted from another distant galaxy until it eventually got caught in the gravity well of its current star which is no better then the first option because it would mean that they are still relatively close from a universal perspective. This is just my thoughts on the subject.
Eater of Worlds, Event Horizen event chain, Blorg video. Yes please! All the yeses! Also which ships are shown at 4:09 - 4:37? I suspect mods but we will see what your answer is. Fantastic video btw! I'm really enjoying the content that you're putting out and I urge you to continue!
Ah the Nomad gifted ships, haven't seen them in such a long time that I actually forgot what they looked like! They would be cool to do in a future video don't you think?
I know im a bit late to this vid but sounds like the tyranids lore from 40k. A bio, hiveminded devourer than consumes biomass to grow. In 40k they come from outside the galaxy but its believed that the swarms that never end atm are just the scouting party and the real main body of the swarm is still on its way. Some theories about the tyranids are also similar in that they hop from galaxy to galaxy to collect biomass as they are running from something else, which makes you wonder what could possibly scare the nids.
I believe it'd be possible to revisit the idea of the Unbidden being the hunters, however from a slightly different perspective. The Unbidden (Followed by the Aberrant which are then followed by the Vehement) are simply minor factions within the plane of existence on which they exist - they refer to themselves as hunters yet they seem to lack the strength to perpetuate themselves in our universe to continue the hunt beyond our own galaxy, they simply consume then leave. Now consider what must've come before the unbidden, their equal to our fallen empires, but instead aged back to the dawn of the Prethoryn Scourge - given the time and a multitude of chances to adjust, would they not seek a more permanent way to anchor themselves into our plane of existence to better suit an intergalactic hunt, so they would not need to rely on these chance encounters that give them limited access to a single galaxy? This would be a good explanation as to why the Unbidden fight amongst themselves, unwilling to lose such a grand hunt to others again, as they had so long ago.
I know this is late, but I have a few suggestions as to who 'The Hunters' are: First, 'The Hunters' could be a reference to the Hirogen Hunter Clans from Star Trek. The Hirogen are a humanoid species set on killing for the thrill of the hunt, knowing no bounds just to catch their prey, and it ticks all the boxes as Hirogen are known to have killed some of the toughest beings in the Star Trek Universe, and use tactics of stalking their prey and picking them off one by one with booby traps and such, instilling great fear, but they're not known to posses intergalactic travel technology, but seeing as they're so mysterious and isolated from the rest of the galaxy, who knows. My next suggestion is the Undine again from Star Trek. The Undine are a non-humanoid, quadrupedal, Centaur like species that live in a completely different dimension from the rest of the Star Trek Universe made up entirely of liquid, they were once known to be very peaceful and isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy, until the Borg made incursions into their space, then set themselves to cleanse all life in the universe to make way for the superior being. They also tick all boxes, being extra dimensional beings with the ability to take on and defeat multiple Borg ships with just one of their bishops, the ability to survive in the vacuum of space, the trait to infect other beings and transform them into one of their own with exposure to their talons, another devastating ability to grow planet killers to destroy planets. They also possess intergalactic travel technology in the form of opening Subspace rifts from their dimension. The only problem is their too much like the Scourge.
The hunters could also be the Greenfly or the Inhibitors from the Revelation space SF books. Both are robotic threats that cannot really be argued with. (the inhibitors otoh, are more passive, they don't spread to other galaxies). While the greenfly just terraform wrecks everything.
I always had the idea that the hunters were like the Reapers from mass effect. to me they fit all the criteria mentioned, also that is what they do in the mass effect games. they have the power to wipe out all life even in a fair fight, and are the most advanced beings in the mass effect universe.
It seems that "the Hunters" could very well be a metaphor of death itself. The Scourge eat galaxies because they have to do this to survive, or alternatively, escape from death. And they laugh at the player simply because nobody can avoid meeting the same ending, even themselves are just delaying the time. In my own opinion this is strongly suggested in original context, but since I don't use English version of the game this may be just a result of inapproprite translation.
HGVhGVxJY 4Cz2xD0 so kinda like the heat death of the universe and the scourge are trying to delay the enevitable gathering all the resources they can while there available
I'm against the gray goo theory. The game already contains the Gray Tempest event chain which is basically this (I think it came with the Distant Stars DLC). For me, the hunters... I think they didn't specify anything for a reason. If you de-mistify the 'big evil', it wouldn't be so scary anymore. For me it's the unknown entity which causes fear and which may or may not be Chuck Norris.
It could be the Protoss from the Starcraft universe. They tend to purge everything they consider dangerous to the galaxy (in game they start following the zerg and purging them every chance they get)
Perhaps the hunters are a reference to the Halo verse... If the scourge is kinda like the flood, consuming life and converting biomass for their means, in essence making us and everyone else in the galaxy its food source, perhaps the hunters have a weapon that can eradicate an entire galaxies food source, not to dissimilar to the ark and the firing of the halo rings. They fallow the scourge through dark space, attempting to eradicate their food before the scourge can consume enough to rebuild and move on. They would in essence be not to unlike the forerunners, or at least the tech left behind the monitor their constructs (the rings, and shield worlds.) the sentinels, the and the monitors. This would explain in a way the scourges singular drive to consume planets and their biomass, and their apparent fear. As shown in the halo universe, the gravemind is afraid of the possibility that the rings might fire again. So much so that he enlists the help of the only individual who could possibly stop him, to stop the covenant, ad in effect sealing his own demise.
What if the huntres are nemesis players think about it. The end goal of a crisis player is to slowly eat stars and create a device that wipes about the galaxy.
Possible things the Hunter could be: The Lekgolo-Halo The flood-Halo Rakghul Plague in sentient form- Star wars The Unbidden- Stellaris A precursor verson of your empire Massive Space Amoebae The goo The Forerunners- halo Inter dimensional scourage A bigger species of the Prethoryn Scourage
imagine the devs add an origin called “The Remaining Refugees” you start on the outer rim as a prethoryn world after being defeated by the other empires and you have about 200 or 100 years left to leave this galaxy and go on your journey before the hunters arrive, 50 years left there should be a message saying “WE FEEL THE HUNTERS GETTING CLOSER” and when theres 20 years left another message saying “WE HAVE TO LEAVE” and 10 years left we see a fleet 10 systems away from our starting point and it has 100 million fleet power, and as it gets closer, the systems around it just vanish, you can’t access it.
I'm thinking the hunters might be a sort of nomadic empire of sorts, perhaps a khanate from another galaxy or a society based around fighting. Might be cool as an endgame crisis; a battle against psychotic big game hunters
What if... the huntes only exist in the mind of the Pretorym? A nightmare implanted in their mind (e.g. by psionics) by a species wanting to survive. To make 'the monsters' go away. Completly unaware that the horrors they unleashed in the universe.
Javier Calvelo top ten practical jokes gone wrong?
That's a way to said it xD
It's a good answer to "who the hunters are?" question if the developers decide to answer it without adding a new crisis.
Javier? Are you the same dude from the XPGamers star wars stellaris playthrough? DO you remember me?
I like "the nightmare by psionics" suggestion
"Y-y-yes. I'm th-th-the same"
Hello Supremo XD
"Admiral, the Hunter fleets are approaching our galactic rim, its massive, can we beat them?"
Admiral- "of course we can, we have the command console"
lol, why need the whole console? There's only 1 comand you need:
"invincible"
@@StarboyXL9 you underestimate then you use create_megastructure and research_all_technologies 1 400000000
Xenophile: we have the power of friendship.
@@russellbartlett9163 "damage 10000000000000" on the hunter fleets
"If you cant beat them join them"
Play (insert hunter ID)
if they ever do add the hunters, I want then to be an extragalatic threat that slowly literally devours entire star systems, so as they expand the star systems literally disappear from the map so it looks like the galaxy is being extinguished. That would really help sell the dread aspect of the hunters
Awesome, glad you like it. I have a few other ideas for end game crises' which I have been mulling over in my head if your interested, which I would have already modded myself if I had a clue how to mod :/
Nanomachines Son! I would like to hear them
THEN SO IT SHALL BE!
*WARNING*
This is gonna be a big'ol wall of text so i'm going to break each of the 4 events I had in mind into separate reply messages below
Also, the first 3 are all related to ascension paths, the 4th is a custom one I thought of which is also my personal most desired event
1)Psyonic Ascension Crisis
This first one isnt much new, but is rather just a modification to the existing psyonic "End of the Cycle" event to make it into a little bit more a crisis. The modifications to this could be rather simple.
1)The main Avatar that spawns exudes a "Hysteria" effect which causes pops on any planets in systems near to the Avatar to take a -20% happiness buff as the psyonic avatar causes feelings of dread in the populace. If the Avatar enters a populated system the pops on the planet will start slowly dieing off as long as it is in system and any fleet in system with it will take a slight debuff to its stats as the crew members on board the vessels feel its presence corrupting their very thoughts.
2)The main avatar would need some unique effect like a flickering translucent demonic visage flicking in and out of the main body (straight up Warhammer 40k style) and the main mass would summon smaller 25-40k avatars(2-8 at max depending on the difficulty) every year until the main avatar is eliminated
3)Being able to make a deal with more than one entity when you contact the shroud would need to be enabled as otherwise you would almost never get to see this event unless you hunt it down.
The advantage with this event is that it doesn't need much to make it into a full crisis. Just some minor tweaks to really help bring it home.
2)Biological Ascension Crisis
This one is aimed at those who took the biological path and who, in their hubris, modified a species too significantly and pay for their mistake. This is more designed to tear an empire apart from within like the flood, so if you like them then this will probably appeal to you.
1)Once the biological perk is researched, any species can be modified without ill effect with 4 traits. Once more than 4 traits are modified on the individual species then the event has a 20% chance to trigger for each new trait added or removed from the species.
2)The event will start with a warning appearing stating that some of the modified species start to receive strange new growths. About 25-50% of the modified species will gain the new trait for the growths, which initially wont do anything. The player at this point in order to stop the crisis must purge this pops with these growths to avoid it progressing. However, the crisis has a chance to start again EACH time this happens to a species, so if a player purges all the pops with the growths and then adds 5 traits to a new species it will have the chance to start again on the new species.
3)The next stage will begin with the infected species gaining the "ravenous hunger" trait about 5 years after the first event which increases food consumption by 20% from these pops.
4)The third stage will trigger after another 5 years with cross species mutations occurring where other species in your empire will begin obtaining these growths. This will have the ability to happen to species on other worlds that are not housing the original infected pops to enhance the internal chaos going on once it kicks off.
5)The 4th stage then begins, where the crisis starts proper. Ever infected pop will simultaneously turn into a "Consumed army" which has the power of a gene modded army. Basically ever planet host to the mutations will begin being attacked. HALF the players fleet will immediately be corrupted by the Consumed and will start attacking everything in sight.
6)A new random planet will spawn(similar to the original AI event) which will produce ships for the Consumed. The consumed WILL NOT use standard armies(that's boring and too similar to the prethroryn), but will instead use infection ships which will land on a planet and immediately convert 2-3 pops on the planet into hostile armies. The ships generated by the infection will be the same style as ships of the parent empire that spawned it. (Unfortunately due to coding limitations I doubt an entirely new type of ship design can be created so the generated ships will probably just need to have a green/yellow particle effect). Any generated ships will have weapons equal to the empire that spawned it at the time of the crisis occurring, so your strength becomes theirs. Any conquered planets that are conquered by them become spawning grounds similarly to the prethroyn.
This crisis is mostly aimed at tearing your empire apart from within by turning your own pops against you. Because of that it will need some balancing and new ship effects so as to not appear to similar to the prethroyn or the other generic AI empires. Unfortunately, this is probably the hardest of the crisis's to make interesting as it would require a lot of work to really sell it but I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for talented programmers to implement.
"The Hunters have arrived!"
"Oh my God! What do they want?"
"It appears they want canvas sir."
"Canvas? Why?"
"They appear to be a race of clones made from a human artist who lived in the 20th century of enlightened thought on their world. A being known as The Bob Ross. He apparently painted great works of art that are celebrated to this day."
"What are they doing now?"
"Sir they are creating a visual effect known as the happy tree opon the surface of the world. Rumor has it that this entity doesn't make mistakes only incidents known as happy accidents."
"Diabolical."
The Hunters are the Blorg. The Prethoryns were so disgusted and terrified of them they left their galaxy and the Blorg determined to make friends kept chasing after them.
ShamanMcLamie THIS IS NOW CANON (in my head)
hey developers!…. CAN THIS BE CANNON???? no!? darn it! :(
It has been a year and they still havn't made any friends.
Notice me Prethor senpai.
How sad.
I think it would be cool if you could send a intergalactic ship to a different Galaxy and use that to set up a portal allowing your military ships to go through, allowing you to conquer another galaxy, but this galaxy would have fallen empires that would become awakened and fight you, so conquering these places would require significant strength.
That would be a really good end game idea, when you have defeated all other civilizations. While at this point fallen empires would be easy to defeat that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a bigger fish, like the scourge, but they would still be alive.
Doing such a thing would turn the player into the other galaxies end game crisis...
I think paradox mentioned this idea. So it will probably come up in one of future DLC's or Stellaris 2.
To clarify I mean Ai galaxies not actual player galaxies.
The official gamer or when you get there you are the crisis for that galaxy. OP and have to fight everyone.
To be honest I don't think the hunters are any of those things. Think about this. When the Scourge arrive in a galaxy they eat everything and move on. While the Scourge say the Hunters destroy galaxies, the only galaxies they actually destroy are the ones that the Scourge have already overrun. So what if they are literally a race of Hunters who have decided that their ultimate prey are the Scourge? They could arrive after the scourge, see you have destroyed them and label YOU as their new prey.
we only know that the hunters consume galaxies and that the scourge was almost destroyed by them. we dont know if they specifically tkae galaxies that the scourge infested or if they take any galaxy and the scourge is running from what equates to an intergalactic tidal wave
It could very well be that the Hunters just go after the Prethoryn in some sort of oversized pest extermination. Infested? burn it! KIll it with fire and nuke its ashes!
Blackplant like humans finding giant spiders in space? We just burn them all until no more then chill.
@@IchHassePasswoerter
How prescient!
The Hunters are obviously a Future End-Game Expansion DLC.
The Total end game Crisis.
Hmm. Yautja, maybe?
Well...
*ahem* predicted the future. Nemisis DLC become the crisis
@@laserlights9684 I'm the one who knocks
Does anybody else think that the Giant Skeleton event where you find the skeletal remains of an organic ship is a Prethoryn scout ship sent in advance to see if the galaxy had enough life to feed on?
emporer15
, thats smart thinking
Big brain time.
Idk, it was said to have multiple different species remains inside the ship, which I don’t think the scourge allows
@@TheIT221 maybe they where snacks from the last galaxy?
I think it's less a matter of "can we beat the hunters" and more a matter of what the hunters can offer us to increase our own power.
Agreed.
What if the name ‘Hunters’ is a reference to the Dark Forest theory from Remembrance of Earth’s Past trilogy?
The theory is that the universe is a dark forest and every civilization/species in it a hunter that will kill anyone and anything they encounter, including other hunters, be it for resources or because they don’t trust that another species would not kill them first. They would even go as far as to launch Dimension Strikes, in which they would destroy the uppermost dimensions of reality within a star system to annihilate a civilization (such as destroying the third dimension to flatten the area). This meant that civilizations would have to avoid broadcasting their existence for fear of others targeting them with doomsday weapons.
If that was so, then the Hunters could literally be THE top hunter in the forest.
But that’s just my theory.
Come to think of it, the hunter's names could deceiving. The hunters only went after galaxies the scourge have overrun, and where they would have likely inadvertently killed off all other life, or bio-engineered it to be like them, the hunters could just be trying to "liberate" what the scourge have taken over. Not only this but they could potentially come after you if you were like the scourge, transforming planets for your own needs, killing off/bio-engineering other species for your own hive mind dystopia.
But my bio-ascended empire isn't a hive mind or a dystopia! They're humans who love daddy Worm and just want to help all the other, younger races survive in a cruel and dangerous galaxy, so they take in all refugees and make them super-cute or super-strong or super-smart, in addition to converting them to their Xenophiliac, Egalitarian ideology of course. Can't have a Militarist or Authoritarian faction messing up my influence gains! I hand out the "Conformist" genetic trait and star base Black Sites like Oprah...
It actually works though. I still have only those two factions in that particular run because of my insane GEA (also took the "One Vision" perk which again, does wonders for my influence gain and empire cohesion). It's like Star Trek's Federation only more realistic, because it works by making everyone a little more conformist/collectivist than they normally would be and I mean, comon, when you're an ugly little space rat who evolved on a Tomb World and everyone hates you so much that they enslave your entire race and even kick some of you off your homeworld, and then a nation of humanoids as ugly as you takes you in, makes you so cute/strong/smart that everyone loves you, and gives you full citizenship in their empire...why would you NOT love them!?
For now this seems like a simple homage to the lore of Tyranids from WH40k universe. There were hints once in their codexes saying the Tyranids are actually running away from even bigger threat.
At the same time though it is said that the Tyranids are attracted to the Holy Light o the Emperor AKA the Golden Throne. Semi jokingly its said that they Tyranids find the light annoying or are attracted to it like a moth to flame. However, it is said that their are larger threats beyond the tyranids and that they are the buffer between us and them.
Yeah I agree completely.
The3cats4me the astronomicon cannot be seen from tau space, it is not reaching outside the galaxy, the thing that attracted them was called the pharos beacon which was supposed to be a mini version but was destroyed by chaos, that triggered a quantum pulse thing that was detected by the tyranids and they thought that it could only have been produced by sentient life
The tyranids are NOT running from anything the idea comes from before the tyranids were a actual thing and were a bunch of centaurs using biological technology, they were retconned as running from the tyranids as they were supposed to be a slave race before gw realized that was a stupid idea for tyranids to have slaves
there is no lore whatsoever of tyranids running from things other than starvation
the scourge could be a seperate hive mind that chose to ignore the pharos beacon overcharge thing, and decided to carry on as before
Current Lore in W40k is that the Tyranids are running away from... other Tyranids. The Tyranids that are invading the W40k galaxy are essentially the 'herbivores' of their messed up ecology. There are predatory Tyranids who, over the course of millions of years, evolved to hunt other Tyranid fleets due to lacking the food supplies needed to make the trip across the divide between galaxies. They are now unable or unwilling to revert back to their planet eating ways and may or may not have split into their own separate hive mind.
The scourge could be similar, running from an off shoot of their race with their own hive mind that have evolved to eat the Prethorians due, perhaps, to overpopulation in their home galaxy.
There is a popular sci fi 4x game called sins of a solar empire. In the lore there was a very powerful race that controlled the centre of the galaxy. one day from the centre of the galaxy they started too lose contact with planets. Eventually they sent ships in too deal with it, but they were all wiped out instantly. And so the the survivors of that race continued too travel outwards too the end of the galaxy while whatever it was at the centre is speeding up destroying everything it comes across. The hunters could be a reference too that.
I actually was going to comment that same thing, aa it was the same impression I got
Oh I remember that now, but I think I also read that it was something of their own that they unleashed.
The Scourge remind me of the Yuzangvong from the Star Wars EU, so maybe the Hunters refer to something similar in that universe. I could imagine a race of beings who literally eat the life energy of planets being the scariest thing to the Scourge with their boi based weapons.
Alex Williams they are straight up the tyranids from wh40k
ilmevavi closer to the Yuuzahn Vong.
Both are running from their home galaxy.
Both use bio tech.
Both have higher reseaoning.
Both just want to survive.
The Tyranids just wanna eat everything.
the yuzangvong essentially destroyed their home galaxy though and need to relocate due to lack of resources while the hunters are probably a species
Hunters could be a Type 3 Fanatical Purifier Civilization
Ah, fanatical purifiers
You start by killing off opposing tribes.
Then kill opposing city states.
Then opposing empires..
Take control of whole world, eradicate the undesirables.
Fly out into space, glad its finally over.
Find other worlds, nuke them.
Form a civilization spanning a large part of the galaxy.
By now others like you just give up, reform government and pick up agrarian idyll, retire into a peaceful life, dream of megastructures, but not you.
...The fallen empire is destroyed, so much has been lost in the war, but it had to be done. For every moment an alien lives, a devious plan for our destruction is made.
Our glorious civilization has built a new type of interstellar travel, a jump drive. We may use it to travel between galaxies.
And other galaxies were purged of life, taken to be ours.
...then the unbidden spawned. We thought, in this remote galaxy group, we would be safe...
But there are other dimensions...
ah, im buying a farm
that +1 unity is very good
auregamer5 dam
The flood would make the perfect counter to the scourge. The scourge are organic, and the flood uses the biomass to expand, so a living fleet would be a feast for them. This could explain why the scourge are so afraid of the hunters
The flood would decimate the scourge
I came up with that and turns out someone had figured that out already.
@@lebronjames1472 It's pretty silly to assume that extragalactic hivemind that is entirely organic has an immune system comparable to anything found in the halo series other than the flood itself. The perfect counter to an organic threat is something that is inorganic and vice versa. Because then you have things like the Contingency/Unbidden where neither the flood nor scourge would have any kind of chance, there's always a bigger fish.
@@HoodieProduction the flood at galactic stage can rewrite reality using neural physics (at least in halo science) they at that point become basically gods. They also have the logic plague for the contingency so at the point of galactic stage flood they are as close to unstoppable as possible when they can simply think the unbidden gate closed and talk the contingency into basically suicide
@@UnholyWrath3277 Unfortunately even then I doubt they could actually “win” turns out the Players are canon in the lore of Stellaris and could simply wish them away, or use console commands, or just add a mod to make the Flood go kaput. Or hell the Blokkats would have a field day with the the flood
The hunters are just billions of space kittens going from galaxy to galaxy to spread their cuteness...the Prethoryn hate cuteness.
i would really like if they intruduce the hunter like a Huge fleet(just 1) after defeating the scourge, and have like a capital dreadnought that consumes mater to make it works and devour the galaxy bit by bit
In the mod Gigastructural engineering, they introduce this "hunter" crisis as the Blokkats, which is kinda a meme, but they are ridiculously strong. They are said to be an intergalactic empire that has obliterated a biological hivemind a while ago (hinting the scourge). They invade your galaxy with one of 2000+ harvesters, and even that single one spawns giant armadas that are millions in fleet power at the lowest difficulty. To defeat the harvester, you have to research and build a certain megastructure to get rid of its invulnerable shield.
@@kerbodynamicx472 well, i didn't know about that
The story of the Scourge and the Hunters is very reminiscent of that of the Vasari Empire and their hunters from Sins of a Solar Empire. Both the Prethoryn and the Vasari were once massive empires that ruled a massive amount of territory, but something unknown started eating at their empires and forced them on the run after they realized they couldn't beat them.
I think the Hunters are based on the Qu from the book All Tomorrow’s, and they are the reason the Scourge look that way, they mutated the Scourge from a thriving civilization into their sentient biological ships.
The Qu are super advanced biological creatures that can traverse space and have the ability to transform life into whatever twisted thing they want, like transforming humans into living waste treatment systems and sentient livestock without the ability to speak.
The Hunters did the same thing to the Scourge, they mutated an entire thriving civilization into sentient living ships that eventually found an opportunity to escape, and have been running ever since.
The Hunters are the gamer himself. You "eat" whole galaxies when you delete your save files. XD
Psychosmurf5471 that is beautiful, I adore the sounds of smashing the fourth wall honestly this is my favourite idea as it's so accurate, we enter the game to 'hunt' conquering the galaxy of players or ai empires also it allows the developers to actually implement a enemy that truly does live up to its reputation for no matter what we all know the galaxies we play in we do also end, as they get boring giving credit to them laughing at the prospect of the empires we play as, surviving our eventual boredom
There have been 4th wall breaks in the past. The civilisation that killed themselves to avoid participating in a grand game for a higher power, they were referring to the Player, playing Stellaris.
@@Jaydee8652 or a xenophile fallen empire saying you should not break the fourth wall or asking you if you are a player.
@@Jaydee8652 ..
You should make lore videos on ai only games describing the history of the universe
The Spiffing Brit a history-book like narration of your galaxy sounds fun
By saying the scourge queens are immortal do you mean it can’t die from old age or it can literally not be killed
So happy to find all these lore videos. It's feels like finding buried treasure
Saying Spiff has come a long way is an understatement
It's adorable coming back and seeing these older videos where he is overwhelmed by a thousand likes and now look at him now with 2 million subs.
Maybe when the Developers do add in the Hunters they will come a bit after the Scourge and the Scourge will try to make an alliance with every other Empire in the game. But the Scourge dont give back the planets they took until the Hunters are defeated and if an Empire doesn't join it will ally to all other ones that dont join and go to war with the Scourge alliance and the Hunters. But maybe they make it to where only large technologically advanced Empires wont join the Scourge. So there would be no stopping every Empire in the galaxy from going to war.
There is a theory that The "Hunters" are/is The End of The Cycle
yep warp god of death and harvest would be powerful enough to nom a galxy out of existsence
I think the End of the Cycle is the Type-30 Singularity and not the Hunters
9:45 But don't you see? The Hunters are obviously the Blorg! The Prethoryans are simply disgusted by the hideousness of the Blorg form, not knowing that all they want is to give hugs to their friends. Those fungi sure are persistent to chase them from galaxy to galaxy. What good friends they must be.
Jorg the Mercenary Spearman They are very fun guys
It could be the end of the psionic event chain.
The Spiffing Brit when they spawn a million manpower death blob to kill everything.
The Spiffing Brit is he referencing the shroud? Perhaps the hunters live there?
Sofia Muller or it just is the shroud itself taking back large chunks of the universe
Sofia Muller in the end of the ascension event chain planets get shrouded basically the shroud consumes them
The Spiffing Brit yes but isn't the entity that devours the dead souls of the species?
Though are The Hunters a threat? They are after The Scourge, so if it's destroyed, maybe The Hunters will dissapear.
Wlodmir It is mentioned they eat galaxies. Whether the eaten galaxies are completely scourged up and they eat it due to a lack of de-scourging means is unknown. It could be possible that the Hunters are biological and for some reason is unable to disinfect planets. If so they wouldn't be a threat.
Yeah, I agree.
Wlodmir cybrex 2.0
I personally think the hunters are a horde of dimensional horrors. They breached into our reality and now unleash hell, given how strong one single dimensional horror is I think it’s feasible.
and the one you defeat is only partially in the galaxy. i don't even think you kill it just force it to dip back into its home dimension allowing the rift to close
Personally I think the hunters are a species from our dimension which attack other galaxies, I like to think of them like the flood from halo or the mgnal mgnal from Star wars legends
dude this is amazing and really good commentary keep up the good work mate
My God I was shifting through my old playlist and found this video. I can’t believe I first stumbled on your channel all those years ago back when I first started playing Stellaris (I also can’t believe how old Stellaris is now). I guess I was ‘rediscovering’ you when I started watching your videos last year.
Imagine the halo arrays are added as mega structures instead of ring worlds they fire and kill all fleets and life in the galaxy and it’s called a super endgame crisis when the flood invade as a halo dlc
My idea for the Hunters as an endgame crisis is 30 years after the Prethoryn Scourge have arrived, there is a 50% chance that "The Hunters" appear, they spawn on the outer rim close to where the scourge originally came from, after that, an event is placed in the situation log called "Translate Prethoryn Transmission" for 5000 society research, when it is completed a window will come up with a Prethoryn messenger saying "THEY HAVE ARRIVED, ALL HOPE OF SURVIVAL HAS BEEN LOST" I'll let Paradox do the rest :D.
i always imagined the dimensional horror is the hunters since we never see all of it
After defeating the scourge, an event happens. Essentially your scientists track the scourge’s path and realize their path begins at a place with no galaxies, however older star-charts from your pre-ftl empire shows that there was galaxies in that location, but not anymore.
Btw this isn’t fan-lore, this is an actual thin in-game
eh, honestly i would like to be able to deal with the scourge diplomatically, especially if i am playing a fellow hive mind that has an easier time understanding the Prethoryn due to mutual understanding of being collective intelligences. i would like to be able to help them gather enough energy to begin their next exodus and maybe a quantum entanglement communicator to tell them if and when the hunters fail to destroy me and tell them they can stop running. or tell them to keep running if we fucked up. giving hope to a species that has been on the run for eons is something the xenophile in me would love to do.
OOOOOHHH YEAAAHHH! and we'd send a warning to the Prethoryn telling them the Hunters arrived and are still chasing them
You can, you need to research psionics
The whole Prethoryn/Hunter thing reminds me of Half Life 2's Nihilanth and Combine
The name itself: The Hunters should give some good clue what they are we can safely conclude that this is not some intangible idea or some sort of technology no it is some sort of race so physically fearsome and technologically advanced that nothing and no one can defeat it alone
Maybe the Hunters are like "The Silence" from the game Grey Goo: not quite organic and not quite mechanical, but want to devour any and all energy they come across.
Also the Scourge being organic invaders from outside the galaxy fits with the Tyranids from Warhammer, and the Yuuzhan Vong from older Star Wars 'legends' stories.
How dare you call chaos weak, vile heathen!
In addition, within 100 years of taming the queen if the main species is Trait Psionic, the queen will tell the telepaths about a " *hole in the void* " and lead them to discover that the galaxy the Prethoryn came from has been *extinguished* by something.
-Stellaris Wiki
What if the hunters are a group of fully grown void spawn?
What if "the hunters" are the contingency? They don't have to really chase the scourge because they're already in every galaxy? And surly an extra galactic empire would be "class 30 singularity" worthy so the contingency would activate wherever they go
@@TheJMan5c i think a class 30 singularity is a civilization that can enter the shroud. for example a player empire that becomes the crisis or the blokkats.
@@Lvzeeey that's kinda what I think it could be to, I watched some videos about how the unbidden could've once been an empire like ours then it completed it's engine you know?
@@lenzugenerico8732 no, the cybrex were similar but have their own lore and went into hiding, they have the same graphical culture too, save for color
Im not sure why the UA-cam Algorithm decided to start recommending older videos but i love it. Hello from 2021 :D
8:58 the hunters are your empire from the future thats why they never invade your galaxy in order to not mess up their own empire by changing its past
8:17
why would they collapse in on themselves?
a human cell weights about 1 ng and we're not collapsing
so i assume that you're thinking of a sphere made out of nanobots which would get massive enough to become a black hole in that time with the gives growrates
but this wont happen
-the nanobots would need to consume the same amount of matter (so there wouldve already been a black hole)
-they cannot use most of the matter to replicate because 99% is hydrogen and helium (they would need to fuse those aka becoming a star)
-they would need to very stupid to clump together as a giant ball, even before becoming a black hole the pressure and heat inside the ball would likely destroy them. a giant ball would also be extremely uneffective (given that you need only 1 nanobot to convert entire planets in the matter of hours)
The prethoryn honestly rind me of the Vasari in Sins of a Solar Empire. Massive empire on the run from an unknown danger through multiple galaxies. The Vasari were implied to be running from a nanite plague of their own accidental making, but it wasn't ever stated definitely. I wonder what the Scourge fears.
What if the hunters are the actual Imperium of Man? The prethoryn are the Tyrranids, except the Imperium somehow received a boost in technology and managed to invade the Tyrranid's home galaxy. The "devouring galaxies" could just mean that the Imperium purges everything left and right at the first available opportunity, especially considering a galaxy full of alien space bugs where they would just do a giant galaxy-wide exterminatus.
There should deffo be an end-game crisis like that.
Just a hyper-strong ancient empire that conquered its own galaxy and didn't stop there, expanding to other galaxies to dominate and exterminate.
They could demand surrender - meaning your pops get purged and you lose - or they fight you. With technology more advanced than Fallen Empires.
I think if you are mammal they will just conquer some of your planets, and if you are a human they will make you their vassals-or even form alliance, if your are very low on fleet power.
Continually smashes exterminatus button*
I just found your channel recently. I enjoy these lore videos. W
Would love to see more
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS MORE STELLARIS LORE
"Sir we've translated the transmission from the ancient hunter species. This doesn't make any sense, all they're saying is 'Happy Trees' over and over what could it mean? Could it be their war cry?"
6:01 What if the Hunters are Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars legends
stellaris update : Hunters are here
you: lets see..
* 10M fleet arrives in your galaxy*
you : *ragequit*
Just curious, what makes you say the Chaos to be too weak to fit the hunters? the Chaos marines and daemons are basically winning 40k as of the 8th edition lore, and as I'm sure you know, the capabilities of the Imperium far outstrip that of even the fallen empires, so I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind why the stellaris chaso equivalent
I don't think he knows much about 40k lore...
I'm pretty sure the Imperium is not more advanced than the Fallen Empires. They certainly have more resources yes, but I have yet to see the Imperium build Ring Worlds, Dyson Spheres, Colossi, or any megastructures for that matter. The most the Imperium can muster is something the size of maybe a Titan, maybe.
I'd say most empires in 40k are about mid-game empires in terms of capabilities. Given another 1 or 2 centuries (provided they actually progress technologically which, I mean, comon, this is the Imperium we're talking about. Innovation is heresy, and invention is full-blown blasphemy.) they might start scratching the surface of macro-engineering. The Eldar are definitely a Fallen Empire mixed with the Nomads (cuz of the Craftworlds) as are the Dark Elder (although they don't technically have territory, just Comoraugh) The Orks are a "player" empire (if they can even be called an empire or a society, more of a Horde I think)
Come to think of it maybe the Imperium is basically just an Awakened Fallen Empire. They were extremely advanced at one point, then the AI Uprising Crisis hit them hard, so they survived by purging AI and going back to the biological basics and basically re-rolled their ascension perks to go down the Psionic Ascension path. Of course that led to the Unbidden spawning, which awakened both the Eldar and Dark Eldar FE's. Then the Scourge appeared, then the Necron FE (which nobody knew about) re-appeared and Awakened. The Ork Horde is just basically going on a rampage like they always do, and the end result is a galaxy of Awakened FE's (Imperium being one of them) all fighting each other and not 1 but 2 End-game Crises factions...
Good god what a shitshow, but what a hell of a Stellaris game come to think of it lol.
Ive always felt the Scourge were inspired by the Flood from Halo. Both are extra-galactic beings
I thought it would be the Zerg form starcraft
IceLordCryo I wonder if the gravemind and the flood would be able to kill all the different species in the game.
the Scourge are based off the tyranids from 40k
Flood aren't extra galactic? Well, at least in their current form. The precursors were but not the flood to the best of my knowledge.
The Flood was corrupted versions of the Precursors who hid themselves somewhere outside the galaxy after they were defeated by the Forerunners.
Man, I remember one of my first games I got the scourge, and I had an 8K strong Battleship fleet, each battleship with a Megacannon, and I figured that they could handle it, so I sent them all the way across the galaxy. No survivors, even if Escape Pods were onboard they’d be worthless, prolonging their fate before they either die in the vacuum of Space, or are consumed by the Scourge
in recent developments we had the new special system and digsite, whatever calls the unbidden a "pest control" is utterly scary.
please do cover the event horizon thingy
no, didn't even know it was a film
17 so probably old enough, were can i find it legitimately?
ok ty
What was shall be, what shall be was
I watched it at 8 or 9, scared the shit out of me.
The scourge remind me quite a bit of the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars expanded universe.
The yuuzhan vong were on a crusade to destroy technology to prevent it from becoming a gestalt machine consciousness, which was far more powerful than them, something like what the Cybrex COULD have been.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the scourge are on the run from a more powerful form of the contingency, which is itself simply a satellite force of a greater enemy.
Reading from Liu Cixin's novel series, I think the hunter might be a hyper-dimensional creature so advance they could destroy a solar systems or even a galaxy so easily the Scourge could do nothing but run.
There is only one other crisis that comes to mind. The way this one communicates sounds like something that wishes to dispose of everything that stands as a threat to the universe and the very fabric it is made up of. It is a stretch but it is just as hostile as it is to any other should it deem it be dangerous.
What if this crisis is what the Scourge fears the most? What if "The Hunters" are not organic beings? What if the Scourge is running from the worst of the worst? What if it's something we have fought before?
The Contingency.
If you think about it, it's the only other crisis that would cause the destruction of civilizations and species who pose great potential power and threat.
What if the Scourge was truly a massive empire that spanned galaxies and consumed civilizations for fun or unique abilities that could be found (something similar to a certain anime out there with giant humanoid monsters and a girl with a red scarf). However, when the Contingency arrived, being the police force of the universe that it wishes to be, it would deem the Scourge to be a true threat to the universe and had it mostly squashed to the ground.
Now the Scourge hides and runs from it, hoping to eliminate it with enough power from feasting upon civilizations. But, what if The Scourge is just the parent most of us had that wanted us to be stronger in one way or another through any means necessary? The hard love parent, so to speak.
Perhaps the Scourge had given up hope to defeat the Contingency, so they go to consume the galaxies they invade, wishing to test us, laughing at us as they consume our worlds and pops. Laughing at us for thinking we are strong to eliminate the Contingency like they once tried.
Perhaps, the Scourge truly wishes the Contingency to be destroyed and knows its once great empire is all but squabbled by the foot of the Fleets and Armies of "The Hunters". So, they prepare the others to do what they could not. Stop the Contingency. That is why they invade. Not to keep running, but rather prepare us for the worst.
But, at the end of the day, we will never know. It's my take on it.
My headcanon is that the hunters are a race that spawned when the universe was created. That's why they have had so much time to advance their technology. I would liken them to the Predators, they just hunt for bragging rights. And they only leave destruction in their wake, that is why the scourge is afraid of them
7:10 - do you think Chaos is weak?
The warp is the multi/omniverse(or is connected to them)
["The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds."
Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius]
[“A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point - and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.”
pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus]
Thoughts can destroy or create thousands of universes in the warp
["Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible.
Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?"
Pg.712 A Thousand Sons]
Chaos is older than time
[All around him, he could hear the sounds of the future, of warfare and death. The thought that he shared the guilt of the destruction of the Emperor’s dream was the greatest shame and sorrow he had ever known.
An end to it all would be a blessed relief.
‘Oblivion,’ he whispered as he closed his eyes. ‘Do it. End me.’
The barriers in Fulgrim’s mind dropped and he felt the elation of a creature older than time as it poured into the void in his soul. No sooner had its touch claimed his flesh for its own than he knew he had made the worst mistake of his life.
Fulgrim screamed as he fought to keep it out, but it was already too late.
His consciousness was crushed into the dark, unused corners of his mind, forever to be a mute witness to the havoc wrought by his body’s new master.
One moment Fulgrim was a primarch, one of the Emperor’s Children, the next he was a thing of Chaos."
Pg.757 Fulgrim]
["A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions."
Pg.619 Descent of Angels]
["All I can tell you is that the warp is beyond the comprehension of you or I, and things exist in its fathomless depths that are older than time as we know it.’"
Pg.359 Battle For the Abyss]
Schrodinger's Slaanesh/Chaos
[That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16]
[That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cuase then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always exsted in the Warp, and yet had never existed.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition, pg.7]
[The sheer mind-boggling impossibiliry of the Warp defies
explanation, and those who attempt to delve further into
understanding its ways inevitably slip into madness. Of the
little that is known is that Warp space does not conform to the
laws of physics as we know them.
-Warhamer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 144]
[It is a hurning ocean of chaos, raw emotion and madness given form, where the laws of physics, time and nature are meaningless concepts and nothing is as it seems.
-Warhammer 40k 4th Edition Rulebook pg. 122]
[In warp space there is no time, no distances, only a constantly flowing stream of immaterium.
-Battle Fleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 85]
[It is a roiling, howling maelstorm of force and energy, utterly unpredictable and not subject to the rational laws and linear flow of time in the way that physical reality is.
-Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal, pg. 16]
[Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 6]
[Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 4]
[Timeless and ever-shifting, this psychic visionscape is known as the Realm of Chaos
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6]
[The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space.
--Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6]
The Empy holding reality against Chaos consuming the universe throughout space time.
["His immense psychic powers envelop and protect Mankind across the entire galaxy. His consciousness wanders through Warp space, warring against the Daemons that inhabit it, keeping closed the doors between this world and the next.
If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 5th Edition rulebook, pg.101]
[Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of
machinery, the Emperor's mind stretches out through space
and time - a light in a vast gulf of blackness.
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg.134]
[Outwardly, the Emperor is but a desiccated corpse, kept alive partly by the cyclopean, mystical machine of gold wrought by his own hand and partly by a will so powerful that it transcends the bounds of the blackened, shrivelled husk of his body. Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of machinery, the Emperor’s mind stretches out through space and time - a light in a vast gulf of blackness. Should that spark of life ever be extinguished - should the Throne fail in its mysterious purpose - then Mankind would surely be lost.
-Warhammer 40k 7th Edition Rulebook]
["Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The stasis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology. His immense psychic Powers reach out from the Golden Throne, enveloping and protecting Mankind across the enemy-strewn galaxy, a beacon of light in the malevolent darkness.
If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consurning Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg.137]
["Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 144]
[Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space.
-Warhammer 40k 7th Edition rulebook]
["They are never sated. The abominations from the Warp will not rest untii they have consumed not just Mankind, but the universe as well. All will be ruin; all will be Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 234]
V - have a look at the 1st comment as well.
[Fear to tread pg.814
The swirling sphere of immaterial witch-fire lost cohesion and, like a dying, drowning man striking out with mad violence as death encroached, it clawed at the planets and suns of the Signus Cluster, ripping at their surfaces and sucking in matter. But it could not hold. This time the psychic scream was suffocated and a brief supernova blossomed before the fire bled their out into embers and at last, nothingness.]
[Strike Force Ultra Data sheet.
477.M39 By the Dying Light
Daemonic servants of Tzeentch create Warp rifts inside each of the twin suns of Haark. Soon, the leering faces upon the stars drive the entire population of the system insane, but the Daemons’ incessant bickering triggers a duel-nova event. With the fate of the system now measured in hours, the Black Consuls Chapter send in Strike Force Ultra Varnor to recover sacred relics from the time of their founding. Captain Varnor and his brothers brave both Daemons and madmen in the burning cities of Haark to collect the relics, narrowly escaping into the void only moments before the stars die spectacularly.]
[A planetary system loomed up. He slowed further and steered close to take a good look at it. Its sun was huge, except that it was not what he would normally think of as a sun. It was not spherical but a flat disc, in colour a brilliant shimmering green. There were at least twenty different planets, each a different colour- mauve, russet, lemon yellow, magenta- but they were not arranged as planets normally are. Instead of being roughly in the same plane, their orbits criss-crossed at all angles, linke the electrons of an atom, and sometimes more than one planet shared the same orbit.Then something appeared which caused Calliden to sit stock-still with shock. A figure was flying through the system, and it was bigger than the planets themselves, bigger than the disc-shaped green sun. A vaguely humanoid figure but crimson-furred, with a ferociously fanged, dog-like head, eyes glaring like pits of blood from beneath jutting horns, the head topped by great angled horns plus a twisted unicorn horn jutting from the crown. The creature was flying by, flapping great membranous wings which put a dozen planets in shadow with each pass. It wore brief, ornately worked armour down to the waist, glinting red and black, close-fitting except at the shoulders whch were protected by raised and extravagently worked pieces. The curve-bladed battle-axe it carried in one hand, holding the haft loosely as it flew, was bronze-black and vaster than any weapon should be. A supernatural energy seemed to flow and crackle through the unbelievable apparition, making it more solid-seeming, more real, than any natural creature."What- what-"Calliden stuttered until his mind found a rational explanation. "It's a hallucination. Can you see it, Kwyler?"Though frightened, Kwyler was not quite as astonished as the navigator. "It is real," he said quietly, his mouth dry. "A daemon, one of rank too."Now something happened which confused Calliden at first. The apparition seemed to be retreating. Too late, be realized that it in fact was approaching, but diminishing in size at the same time.The daemon seemed angry. It flew alongside the Wandering Star, no more than twenty times the size of the spacecraft now, glancing at it sidelong with its smouldering eyes, wings beating majestically."How can it use those wings to fly in space?" Calliden queried hysterically."It flies on warp currents. Be careful. Don't do anything. Perhaps it will go away."Calliden shrieked and pulled on the controls as the warp entity, in a sudden rage, swung round and lashed out with the battle-axe, itself larger than the starship. The Wandering Star jinked aside, narrowly missing being crushed by the blow, then sped off.The daemon did not follow. The spaceship was too minute to be worth the bother, no more significant than a gnat. When last he looked Calliden saw the immense Chaos creature, system-sized again, taking his frustration out on one of the circling coloured worlds, batting it sidewise with the flat of the battle-axe, and sending the broken pieces hurtling into the disc-shaped sun.For the very first time the navigator felt that now he truly understood what it was that the divine Emperor was striving to protect the human race from.Briefly he wondered if the smashed planet had had a human population.-Eye of Terror]
[Multiple multi-coloured suns fled past, some misshapen, some ring-shaped, some joined together in complicated patterns by filaments of light and fire, some surrounded by what looked like intricate decorations made of gold and silver and brass. There was no consistency; no two were identical. It was a storm-enwrapped minor universe in which the normal laws of physics did not count. The will and imagination of daemons counted for more."The Rose Cluster," Kwyler kept saying. "Took for the Rose Cluster."Calliden found it, coming at him from the darkness and distance, and despite everything that had already happened, he gasped with wonder."Maynard!" he called. "Come and look at this!"The trader staggered from the pallet where he had been lying and peered out blearily. His arms dropped limply. His jaw sagged.The Rose Cluster was, as its name implied, a large cluster of stars. Typically these were globular and contained thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of stars. In that respect, the cluster was unremarkable.Except that all the stars were an entrancing pink colour. And the entire cluster had the shape of a rose. It was all there, the curving petals, hundreds of light years across, picked out in sheets of stars and glowing gas - also pink - the petals foliated one within another, layered down to a softly blazing heart. Some mighty daemon with a sense of beauty had crafted this. Calliden powered the telescope, feeding its image to the view-screen. One of the stars forming the cluster appeared before them. It, too, was in the shape of a rose, its radiant plasma magically suspended to form identical layers of soft petals."Every single sun in there is the same," Kwyler told him. "And that's not all. Every one of the planets in there is shaped like a rose too. Thousands upon thousands of them."- Eye of Terror]
["I remember gold. A golden web of glowing threads, spreading through the black, stretching into infinity. The threads split and divided, met and joined, over and over, slicing the emptiness into sharp slivers. I spun through the web. My body blinked between shapes: a silver hawk, a circle of fire, a sickle of moonlight. Rainbow sparks danced in my wake, and the golden web sang at my passing. I felt joy. I had made that journey many times in dreams before that moment, but that was the first time I had dived into the Great Ocean at my own will. It felt like breaking into air after drowning. It felt like returning home. I flew, my thoughts stretching across time and space, my will snapping realities and remaking them. It was so easy, it was like nothing, but it was everything." - Ahriman: King of Ashes]
["Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible.
Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?" - A Thousand Sons, pg 712]
["Ka’Bandha fell through the hidden spaces between worlds. The occulted gears of creation rushed by him. In the machineries of being were the inner secrets of the universe displayed to him. The daemonkin of Tzeentch would have damned a dozen eternities for a glimpse of what he saw, but Ka’Bandha did not care for knowledge. The things on display were valueless to him, and the wonders of infinity whirled by unappreciated. Ka’Bandha fell forever and for no time at all, until a wave of change rippled out through the multi-dimensional space he infected, upsetting the delicate workings of infinite, interleaved universes. Ka’Bandha howled in triumph. The promised storm had been unleashed." - The Devastation of Baal]
Imagine if they add a After Game Crisis where after you beat the scourge the hunters will see you as a new threat making for another crisis.
6:30 Maybe it's the Dimensional Horror leviathan's species? The curators state that the single one that is stuck halfway in it's portal could single-handedly devour life in the galaxy were it not stuck in the portal
That moment when you realise the scourge event is a microcosm for Europe
This really gives me a vibe for the pre-Halo activation humans in Halo. For those who don't remember: Before the activation of the Halo rings, the Forerunners were being ravaged by humanity, who had absurdly advanced technology, and were very powerful as a result, however, they weren't conquering, they were running, from the Flood, of course; and we all know how that went. Like I said, this gives me a similar vibe, albeit twisted around so the purely organic spacefarers are the ones running away from the super-advanced techo-wizard space gods.
I always felt like the Scourge and Hunters were somewhat based on the Aliens and Predators. With the Hunters being a civilization from the earliest era of the universe reaching a point where their culture and society stagnated and they turned to alternate forms of entertainment, such as hunting interesting prey. This eventually became their entire identity, and they've spent the past generations hunting the Scourge who have been the most 'fun'.
Unlike Fallen Empires though, they probably stagnated much later, after colonizing their entire galaxy and developing the technology to move beyond it.
Of course this is all based on the "Hunters" being how they identify themselves, and not just a title granted to them by the Scourge. It's entirely possible they're just misunderstood.
Watching old spiff here in 2021. Still good content!
I can't believe that THIS is THE Spif. Very calm, very sane. I love it 🤣🤣
you spoil us with your sweet voice
spiff 2017 "the hunters could be a bunch of bob rosses looking to paint the entire univers"
The nostalgia from this is great
That future race idea i like it but what if the hunters are the players race but from the future and have mastered time its self they use this to send a huge and advanced flotilla fleet that can contain its self forever back in time to where the scourge came from to prevent a war that was happening in there time where the scourge where locked in and inter-galactic war with the players empire from the future. To prevent this they almost wiped out the scourge however they unwillingly or unknowingly sent them to the milky-way and the player race thousands of years before your ready yet you beat them anyway . The hunters would show up and it could be that you literally fight your own race. on a galactic scale and it could end with an inter-galactic scale.
I like that idea. Sort of thought along the same line with the idea that the Hunters are another player empire from another saved game.
Last Spartan71 Speaking of player empires and time travel, I have a head cannon about the Unbidden.
The Unbidden are the end result of the survivors of the Unbidden crisis, after they are destroyed, the physical species further advance the Jump Drive and study the portals the Unbidden used to move into our dimension and we unlock the ability to access higher dimensions and live in them. Eventually the first empire to reach these higher dimensions is able to travel back and forth in time and others in their Galaxy follow them into these higher dimensions. They fight each other so as they can complete their goals. Eventually they see that lower dimensional beings are jump driving into the higher dimensions and some of the empires head into the lower dimensions to hide from the other empires. And then you have the big reveal that the original empires have slowly shifted over the course of billions of years to look like the Unbidden and it turns out the whole thing is a cycle.
The hunters could very possibly be a reference to the Tyrannids which are bio-organic life forms that are a hive mind and want nothing more to consume all and add to their bio-mass. I thought the Scourge were a reference to the Nids though?
You should make a lore video of the yuth empire... i think it would be interesting... and the whole "history of a random galaxy" stuff someone suggested sounds fun too... keep it up man gj.
Watching this 5 years later I honestly believe that the hunters are whatever the species of voidspawn is. I know that the voidspawn is fairly new with the distant stars update in comparison to the scourge but when it hatches, if you talk to the curators they'll tell you that it is a baby from a species so big that it's estimated to be able to eat entire galaxies just like the supposed hunters. Coincidence? I think not. Assuming that this is true though it would mean that the hunters have either already been to our galaxy or that the egg drifted from another distant galaxy until it eventually got caught in the gravity well of its current star which is no better then the first option because it would mean that they are still relatively close from a universal perspective. This is just my thoughts on the subject.
Eater of Worlds, Event Horizen event chain, Blorg video. Yes please! All the yeses! Also which ships are shown at 4:09 - 4:37? I suspect mods but we will see what your answer is. Fantastic video btw! I'm really enjoying the content that you're putting out and I urge you to continue!
Ah the Nomad gifted ships, haven't seen them in such a long time that I actually forgot what they looked like! They would be cool to do in a future video don't you think?
I'm fully behind the whole "Bob Ross" idea.
I know im a bit late to this vid but sounds like the tyranids lore from 40k. A bio, hiveminded devourer than consumes biomass to grow. In 40k they come from outside the galaxy but its believed that the swarms that never end atm are just the scouting party and the real main body of the swarm is still on its way. Some theories about the tyranids are also similar in that they hop from galaxy to galaxy to collect biomass as they are running from something else, which makes you wonder what could possibly scare the nids.
Do the Vultran Empire please. I'm loving your voice as you do the narratives.
I believe it'd be possible to revisit the idea of the Unbidden being the hunters, however from a slightly different perspective.
The Unbidden (Followed by the Aberrant which are then followed by the Vehement) are simply minor factions within the plane of existence on which they exist - they refer to themselves as hunters yet they seem to lack the strength to perpetuate themselves in our universe to continue the hunt beyond our own galaxy, they simply consume then leave.
Now consider what must've come before the unbidden, their equal to our fallen empires, but instead aged back to the dawn of the Prethoryn Scourge - given the time and a multitude of chances to adjust, would they not seek a more permanent way to anchor themselves into our plane of existence to better suit an intergalactic hunt, so they would not need to rely on these chance encounters that give them limited access to a single galaxy? This would be a good explanation as to why the Unbidden fight amongst themselves, unwilling to lose such a grand hunt to others again, as they had so long ago.
Oh spiff... and your pre L-Cluster lore about le Grey Goo
I know this is late, but I have a few suggestions as to who 'The Hunters' are:
First, 'The Hunters' could be a reference to the Hirogen Hunter Clans from Star Trek. The Hirogen are a humanoid species set on killing for the thrill of the hunt, knowing no bounds just to catch their prey, and it ticks all the boxes as Hirogen are known to have killed some of the toughest beings in the Star Trek Universe, and use tactics of stalking their prey and picking them off one by one with booby traps and such, instilling great fear, but they're not known to posses intergalactic travel technology, but seeing as they're so mysterious and isolated from the rest of the galaxy, who knows.
My next suggestion is the Undine again from Star Trek. The Undine are a non-humanoid, quadrupedal, Centaur like species that live in a completely different dimension from the rest of the Star Trek Universe made up entirely of liquid, they were once known to be very peaceful and isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy, until the Borg made incursions into their space, then set themselves to cleanse all life in the universe to make way for the superior being. They also tick all boxes, being extra dimensional beings with the ability to take on and defeat multiple Borg ships with just one of their bishops, the ability to survive in the vacuum of space, the trait to infect other beings and transform them into one of their own with exposure to their talons, another devastating ability to grow planet killers to destroy planets. They also possess intergalactic travel technology in the form of opening Subspace rifts from their dimension. The only problem is their too much like the Scourge.
The hunters could also be the Greenfly or the Inhibitors from the Revelation space SF books. Both are robotic threats that cannot really be argued with. (the inhibitors otoh, are more passive, they don't spread to other galaxies). While the greenfly just terraform wrecks everything.
I always had the idea that the hunters were like the Reapers from mass effect. to me they fit all the criteria mentioned, also that is what they do in the mass effect games. they have the power to wipe out all life even in a fair fight, and are the most advanced beings in the mass effect universe.
It seems that "the Hunters" could very well be a metaphor of death itself. The Scourge eat galaxies because they have to do this to survive, or alternatively, escape from death. And they laugh at the player simply because nobody can avoid meeting the same ending, even themselves are just delaying the time.
In my own opinion this is strongly suggested in original context, but since I don't use English version of the game this may be just a result of inapproprite translation.
HGVhGVxJY 4Cz2xD0 so kinda like the heat death of the universe and the scourge are trying to delay the enevitable gathering all the resources they can while there available
This guy makes amazing content
Man I like this. I always had bad luck and was never able to progress far into these chains.
An evil Bob Ross might well be the most frightening thing imaginable, period.
I'm against the gray goo theory. The game already contains the Gray Tempest event chain which is basically this (I think it came with the Distant Stars DLC).
For me, the hunters... I think they didn't specify anything for a reason. If you de-mistify the 'big evil', it wouldn't be so scary anymore. For me it's the unknown entity which causes fear and which may or may not be Chuck Norris.
It could be the Protoss from the Starcraft universe. They tend to purge everything they consider dangerous to the galaxy (in game they start following the zerg and purging them every chance they get)
Perhaps the hunters are a reference to the Halo verse... If the scourge is kinda like the flood, consuming life and converting biomass for their means, in essence making us and everyone else in the galaxy its food source, perhaps the hunters have a weapon that can eradicate an entire galaxies food source, not to dissimilar to the ark and the firing of the halo rings. They fallow the scourge through dark space, attempting to eradicate their food before the scourge can consume enough to rebuild and move on. They would in essence be not to unlike the forerunners, or at least the tech left behind the monitor their constructs (the rings, and shield worlds.) the sentinels, the and the monitors. This would explain in a way the scourges singular drive to consume planets and their biomass, and their apparent fear. As shown in the halo universe, the gravemind is afraid of the possibility that the rings might fire again. So much so that he enlists the help of the only individual who could possibly stop him, to stop the covenant, ad in effect sealing his own demise.
What if the huntres are nemesis players think about it.
The end goal of a crisis player is to slowly eat stars and create a device that wipes about the galaxy.
me and my friends just go this game and we understand nothing, i just wanted to thank you for making these videos a long time ago :D
Possible things the Hunter could be:
The Lekgolo-Halo
The flood-Halo
Rakghul Plague in sentient form- Star wars
The Unbidden- Stellaris
A precursor verson of your empire
Massive Space Amoebae
The goo
The Forerunners- halo
Inter dimensional scourage
A bigger species of the Prethoryn Scourage
imagine the devs add an origin called
“The Remaining Refugees” you start on the outer rim as a prethoryn world after being defeated by the other empires and you have about 200 or 100 years left to leave this galaxy and go on your journey before the hunters arrive, 50 years left there should be a message saying “WE FEEL THE HUNTERS GETTING CLOSER” and when theres 20 years left another message saying “WE HAVE TO LEAVE” and 10 years left we see a fleet 10 systems away from our starting point and it has 100 million fleet power, and as it gets closer, the systems around it just vanish, you can’t access it.
I'm thinking the hunters might be a sort of nomadic empire of sorts, perhaps a khanate from another galaxy or a society based around fighting. Might be cool as an endgame crisis; a battle against psychotic big game hunters