Sharpening using pocket sharpeners.
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- This video is a discussion video on the use of pocket sharpeners. It's also an evaluation of the DMT Diafold Sharpeners and the Spyderco Doublestuff. The video documents use of these sharpeners and has some discussion on the subject.
I have a Spyderco double stuffed. I brought it in soft sided checked bag on a flight. Survived being against the side of the bag. Dropped from 3 feet onto a tiled floor. The two sides separated and bounced around. The ceramic side has a small chip but didn’t break. Thanks for the videos. They are f**king great. \m/
Steven Busch thanks
@@michaelchristy4982 I use the following: Wedgek angle guides, DMT 120u@10dps, 60u@11dps, 45u@12dps, 25u@13dps, gritomatics pocket Atoma 1200@14dps, Velev cerberus dog 1200/1500 @15dps/@16dps. Portable anywhere. Kind of dislike stropping (on leather) because I tend to make the edge too obtuse after a couple of touch ups. Ive seen you use diamond compound on the ceramic stones before. Would you suggest .25u on the 1500 venev or would it abrade the resin?
Exactly the same "field" setup I came to! Funny think is I use the Dis-folds a ton at home too. They're very easy to manage. Thanks Michael!
Ken Schwartz is selling Spyderco UF cut to KME size FYI. If you are still interested in a pocket size UF. Thanks for putting out all the great videos.
I’ve sharpened *dozens* of steels and fully agree…8cr is a great place to start.
From there, vg10 and opinel’s xc90 are two steels that are nice and easy to bring up. Cruwear and 9cr18mov are great “intermediate” steels…very satisfying and come up *stupid* sharp. K390 is probably the next stop. It requires diamonds and can sometimes have a bit of a burr but that’s it. Aside from those two things, it’s one of my favorite steels to work with…far easier to sharpen than it should be. ZDP-189 is the granddaddy, IMO…even beyond steels like S110V. It needs to be coaxed into high levels of hair whittling sharpness. If you can make ZDP sing, your technique and progressions are dialed in
I use the Spyderco pocket stone and the leather pouch as the strope try it works great. Good vide
Great Video... I appreciate all the experimentation you do. Saves me a lot of time and money chasing dead ends. Thanks again : )
I’ve had a Double stuff since 1991… it deployed everywhere with me and jumped from a plane many times in a ruck. Bought a new one the other day.. the older model came in a high quality thick leather sheath… unlike this suede feeling pouch they use now.
I think these sizes are less of an challenge now considering freehand with kme and edge pro is more of a common sight. Non the less I have yet to see an edge so effective as a result of that setup. What I think would be a true pocket stone sharpening is using only 1x3 slip stones. You can get every single chosera stone in 1x3 for $25 on jende. You can get a set of dans Arkansas stones for around the same price, and I know dmt has pocket stones and so I would imagine those to be cheap too. Just an idea. Plus I’d love for you to try the Arkansas black. It leaves a fantastic SHARP edge. (Not polish) It doesn’t take the place of the spyderco uf like I had hoped, because the uf is way better at burr minimization, but it’s a great stone for right after. My setup for something like zdp would be 1x3 chosera 800, 3000, 5000, 10000, Arkansas black then strops. And for something like s110v, dmt 1x3 coarse, fine, ef, (idk if they have an eef in a pocket friendly package) venev double sided 1x3 and 1/8th pocket stone 1200 and 2000 then Arkansas black to strops.
Hi Dude it’s an interesting idea. The requirements of pocket stones change as you change your desired result. If all you want it functionally sharp, there are a lot of options.
I have the same setup Dmt blue / red and Spyderco double stuff 👍 I have the Dmt magna guide to keep the angle
Educational as allways, thanks brother ;)
I forgot about this video, Michael. Guess this answers my general question as to getting from smooth telephone slicing all the way to hair whittling..... looks like I'll have to make some of those balsa strops.
Make sense? Thanks!
Was this sharpened at 15 degrees? The angle you sharpened in this video looks a lot lower
Dude that's a tuff steel that spiderco is my beater that zdp189 is great
I think this may be something you need not worry about. I've gutted hundreds of deer, elk, and antelope. Cleaned thousands of fish, upland and wetland game birds and built a million fires. With nothing more than a dual side DMT or a smith. I have never even picked up strop. But I did buy one today for fun, to go with my new edge pro! So now I can be like the you tube guys and grind thru blades at a record pace. Gotta have that hair popping shank in case I get an unusually tricky letter or an ultra burly blister pack. If you ain't got a mirrored edge, you ain't shit! Fuck the police....
That was a lot. Godspeed
Would you all recommend using a DMT for sharpening garden tools as opposed to knives?
Where does D2 tool steel rank in difficulty of sharpening? Your experience is valuable to people like me. Thanks
Roy D it’s been a while since I sharpened D2, but I don’t recall it being difficult at all. The question would be, how difficult is it to put a certain type of edge on it, and at what RC.
I have the Spyderco double stuff and carry it daily in my backpack. By itself it can bring an edge back, but I can see where adding a diamond stone can improve the process. Have you considered the Falkniven DC4 for this system?
I have seen people use it, but I haven't really looked into it. Although, I believe last time I saw it for sale, it didn't seem over priced.
I know this is an older video, but would you mind giving a minimalist recommendation for sharpening a Spyderco Gayle Bradley made out of CPM 4
For field sharpening, DMT Diafold course and XF (or XXF) and pocket strop at 1 micron.
@@michaelchristy4982 Thank you so much
on this small pieces of wood that you're using for a strap the ones you said you could put in your pocket in the ziplock bag what kind of wood is that may I use Balsa and MDF works pretty good
So if I was looking at having a pocket system like this to keep in vehicle or camping. Would you recommend just the double stuff or a double sided dmt coarse and a double stuff??
TruckGuyHD92 I would suggest having the DMT as well as the Double Stuff.
There’s also the combination stone that I had Ken Schwartz make for me. You can pick up one of them from him.
@@michaelchristy4982 you recommend original double stuff or double stuff 2 with boric nitrate?? I am assume the ken swartz is the combination 3000 diamond/ ultra fine??
TruckGuyHD92 the Ken Schwartz is the 3K/UF. The decision between the Double Stuff 1 or 2 should depend on how much damage you think you’ll have on the edge on a regular basis.
Hi Michael,
Just curious. Have you noticed that the DMT diafold has behaved more like its advertised grit as you have used it?
No: Six do you mean have a noticed a break in period?. Yes.
Performing like it’s advertised grits, but in a diamond plate, which is different then in a stone. Apples to oranges.
Great video Mike, You ever going to try out those shapton glass pocket stones?
I'm curious but dang they are expensive.
I've looked at those stones many times, but they are expensive. I'll get around to it, but I've got a few other things that have to happen first.
Where do you buy those stropping compounds?
+Big Brown I buy them anywhere I can find them. There's a lot offered on Amazon.
Michael Christy spray, emulation diamond, CBN?
+Big Brown I haven't used CBN spray, but I've used diamond spray, and oil based diamond compounds, and non diamond oil based compounds.
Thanks for sharing! I see you changed your method a bit from edge leading only to quick, short forth and back strokes. Do you do a few edge leading only strokes at the end of each stone or at the end of the progression on the Spyderco fine? Thanks!
Yes. On the finishing stone I end with edge leading strokes. I keep the direction the same for scratch pattern, but I do end that way.
Can explain the back and forth strokes. Have never seen anyone do that. Also, do you have a full sharpening tutorial vid? Thanks
now that the new Double stuff 2 (have you tried it? thoughts?) has a coarser side paired to the ultrafine, what about pairing it with a spyderco medium stone (i think the 303m is the same one that's on the old Double stuff)? that (plus some strop) could be a nice "do it all" setup for in the field?
hi,i was wondering could the MDT diafold's sharpeners be mounted on the spyderco sharpmaker rod's!i no there not as long as the SM-rods,but seems they would work,thanks i really enjoy watching your video's.
Blane Biondolillo you might be able to glue them to the rods, but Spyderco makes diamond rods for the Sharpmaker. Why not just buy the diamond rods?
1st thing is the diamond rods are expensive!2nd is i think the DMT's remove steel a little quicker/faster!i wouldn't glue them,but probably just hold them up to the rods as to get the angle i need,can't seem to freehand yet,or i would just skip all this,thank you for your input though.
Hey Michael christy, I just got a set of dmt's diasharp plates. It's the 8x3's. All seem great except the extra fine seems so rough and bumpy. the fine seems very smooth and consistent compared. How was your experience using the extra fine?
crf450r bullet david my XF in the plate had what you're talking about. It bothered me for a bit. I found that using it made it better.
Now, in the Diafold sharpeners, they were all consistent with no issues.
Okay thanks for that. It is kind of a strange stone so far. It almost seems like there are no diamonds on it. When I am running my knife across it, it is scratching into the nickle. I am using the plate arrow up. I will use it for a while and hopefully it works out. All the other plates are rock solid, very impressed by them. They have a rough spot here and there but they don't raise any alarms like the xf.
crf450r bullet david as long as it's cutting, you should be good. You can tell if it's cutting by the scratch pattern, or if it raises a burr.
I do think it's cutting. I read a trick to run some glass and if it scratched there's diamonds. It did and should be fine. It seems to be getting smoother after using it so far. I'm just used to the atomas where you can visually see the diamonds and I don't remember them to be that rough when new. I will keep using it and I'm sure it will break in. Thanks man. Have an awesome week.
Nice! I have a similar set up!
Hi Michael, could you make the same ‘jump’ with the dmt with Cruwear?
Thanks for your content
Which jump exactly?... This video was posted 3 years ago.
Skipping the EEF dmt and going straight to double stuff- u mentioned that 110v wouldn’t like the skip, am wondering bout cruwear ?
I upgrading my stones and was planning Xc/c/f Dia-Sharp then m/f/uf spyderco
Sorry it’s an old thread revive- was doing a binge watch of your stuff
Andy skip the XC for an EF or EEF. There’s not much need for an XC, unless you’ve really screwed up a blade.
Andy CruWear would do better with a jump then S110V.
Thankyou Michael, really appreciate your time, keep up the brilliant work and thanks for helping everyone
I would love a diafold style without the stone but the hinges left to store the double stuff . What do you think?
What diamond stones would you recommend for at home sharpening? These look great but small. How do they compare to the DMT diasharp stones?
Matt K DMT diamond plates are a good investment. Just remember to keep the pressure light and go slow until you’re familiar with how fast diamond cuts.
It looks like Gritomatic currently has a sale on a set of those Venev stones. They would be quite a bit cheaper than buying 4 different grit DMT plates. Do you have a preference one way or the other?
Where do you guys get the diamond spray? I'm looking on amazon and it seems like there's only a few makers, the prices are high, and the reviews are mixed.
Nathaniel Graham a lot of the products are available on Amazon. The diamond sprays can be fairly expensive to extremely expensive.
Have you ever used the diamond paste from Tech Diamond Tools? They sell up to 200.000ngrit for about 6us for 5grams its fine on balsa.
Euclides Netto I first used tech diamond tools compound years ago. There are better options out there, but it does ok.
Michael Christy for diamond pastes wich would you recommend? 5ngrams package, Im buying this in bulk for resale, got a lot of CBN from Ken now, but what would be a better paste?
Euclides Netto I think that Temo makes a better product. Wicked Edge makes a better product. They may not go as far as 200,000 grit, but the product is better overall.
I buy their powders rather than paste. you can then mix them in any carrier and ratio you want. Thicker carriers will load better and tend to last longer. Thinner ones seem to work faster but need frequent reloading. It will cut super fast on balsa. I use them mostly on leather, and then just a few strokes on balsa for my final final edge. I usually go 3-5 mic general strop and .5 final strop
Spyderco did produce a pocket UF stone. I think the model number is 302UF.
Jeffrey Koh I believe 302UF is their ultra fine bench stone.
Maybe 302 is a smaller version of 306? but still a bench stone...
Jorgen Sandstrom it seems like the 302 is closer to the size of traditional bench stones (at least what I think of as traditional bench stones) and the 306 is closer to the size of DMT diamond plates. I think Spyderco lists both of them as bench stones.
exactly my thoughts to...
Michael, have you had a chance to try this system on s110v? Im thinking about getting a Manix 2 in s110v and wanted to invest in portable sharpening system.
Ryan Bryant I’ve done this type of sharpening on S110V and it’s fine. I would limit the ceramics as much as possible, but it should still be a very functional sharpening.
Hey have you ever tried out the fallkniven cc4 pocket stone ? . Not the DC4 which has had a bad reputation for the diamond plate falling off. The CC4 is Fallkniven's new pocket stone using ceramic instead of diamond. I have a extra one if you would like to give it a try; contact me threw a direct message.
Best regards
-Miguel
HopelessWanderer 05 that's a stone I've been looking at lately. I'll probably order it soon to try it out. Maybe the DC4 as well.
Diamond sharpeners will always be too coarse at the beginning. The crystals will smoothen out after like ten knives and then it'll work better
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What knife is that? Anyone have a link?
jesse cleveland it’s a ZDP Endura.
An ultra fine pocket stone might be the falknieven cc4
bp69 I have several Fallkniven pocket stones. They don’t even come close to the Spyderco UF. I wish they did though.
What are your thoughts on the double stuff for 1095 steel?
What kind of wood makes best strop?
Adam Smith I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Do you mean what works best as the base under leather, or as the stropping surface?
Basswood is great. Give it a shot and don't look back.
Was this sharpened at 15 degrees? The angle you sharpened in this video looks a lot lower
Hi Dude probably at or around 30 inclusive.
Hi Dude keep in mind, I posted this 2 and half years ago... it’s not like I did this sharpening last weekend.
Michael Christy what do you mean! Your telling me you don’t remember a small number in one sharpening out of thousands that was 2 and a half years ago!! Shame. Everyone can do that. I think. 😄get it?