FREE FLIGHT TRAINING how to use FAFSA, MilTA, Post 9/11 GI Bill, VA benefits and more to pay for it.
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2018
- FREE FLIGHT TRAINING using FAFSA, Post 9/11 GI Bill, Montgomery GI Bill, MilTA, tuition assistance, tuition reimbursement and other veteran, employee and student benefits to get it done.
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To find a flight school near you:
Go to the VA's WEAMS tool at < inquiry.vba.va.gov/weamspub/buildSearchInstitutionCriteria.do > website and put 'flight school' in the “program type” drop down menu. Then click on your state to bring up a list of all VA approved Flight schools. You should be able to identify if they are fixed wing or Helicopter, or both by clicking the 'programs' tab. Search the school's website to find out if they are affiliated with a degree program. Don't forget to search the surrounding states if you live near the boarder.
But wait there’s more. . . . Some colleges have their own flight schools and you won't find them listed as flight schools.
If you use the same WEAMS tool and put ‘Institute of Higher learning' in the “program type” drop down menu, you have another type of school available. There may be a lot of colleges to go through. So, it might be easier to google search something like 'college aviation program [and your state's name]' to get a smaller list to go through. You can also use the GI Bill comparison tool to look up schools in your area and see what programs they have that way.
- For more financial aid
Go to FAFSA through < studentaid.gov/h/apply-for-aid/fafsa >. It will tell you how much you are authorized. Your college will then ask you if you would like to accept the loans and you will have to fill out paperwork saying you want; none, enough to cover expenses, the whole amount you are authorized. you select the full amount and the school will disburse the amount after a bit more paperwork. I know this is generic, but it all starts with the FAFSA paperwork.
These tools should be able to help you find something you can live with. Be sure to also consider 2 year community college flight programs. Some of those are just as good as any 4 year program, and they might get you going faster.
- Medical questions:
Be extremely careful about what disabilities you have in your VA record. The FAA medical asks about VA disabilities. You can lie but the FAA can and has pulled VA medical records before to see what pilots where getting. In 2005 the FAA actually revoked the licenses of 46 Airline pilots who weren’t being honest about their disabilities with the FAA.
www.nytimes.com/2005/07/20/us/us-says-46-pilots-lied-to-obtain-their-licenses.html
The FAA has a list of disqualifying medical conditions and medications. “An airman who is medically disqualified for any reason may be considered by the FAA for an Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate.” Things like Sleep Apnea do require a Special Issuance. It is an extra bit of effort, but you still get to fly. The link to the list of disqualifying conditions is below.
www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/faq/response6/
For some chronic illnesses that are not listed as "disqualifying," there may be a decision matrix that requires the medical examiner to gather extra information and defer to the FAA for a special issuance. Sleep apnea is one of these items. For a longer list see the link in the description.
www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/
While your illness might not prohibit you from flying, a particular medication can. the FAA has a comprehensive list of medications and medication types that will prohibit you from flying. this list should be consulted anytime you are prescribed something as a part of your "I'M SAFE" checklist.
www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/pharm/dni_dnf/
For medical defects, which are static or nonprogressive in nature, (for example, color vision deficiency) a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) < www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/exam_tech/item23-24/ > may be granted in lieu of an Authorization."
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Brian Baker
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Thanks for the information bud 🙏🏾
This is what iv been searching for thank you!!
This needs more views! Thank you
this video hit the nail perfectly. thank you brother.
Love the hat! This video was really helpful!
Awesome thanks this is what I am working on right now!
I’ve been looking into flight school . I’m a veteran myself but I’m happy to come across this video . Very helpful
Awesome information. The best info I've seen on UA-cam. Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
I like your vid. Also, there are a lot of Vets that fell in the gap of the Post 911 and the MG-Bill. I found that if you create a non-profit llc you can borrow the money and get it at a lower cost.
There is also scholarship programs for disabled vets., and private money grants for disabled vets especially ones on vash.
Damn this is exactly what I was looking for .. getting out in a year and a half
Shit I’m looking forward to getting that DD214 😂
6ths months till my ets. I cannot wait. Appreciate you brother
*very helpful video!! Helped me understand all the Veterans who come in to use their bill. Thanks for the video! I used some FAFSA myself for my PPL* :)
How did you manage to use the Fafsa
this is a godsend i did all the leg work already and this video just tops it off with the information
I'm happy I could help!
I appreciatethis was the best way and the most informative video i seen and i will do this thank you.
You are very welcome
Dont forget that you have Army IgnitED funds you can use if eligible. Using those funds for my PPL and it covered 100% of it
Very informative thanks!!!!!
DD214 Alumni! I love that patch
Great video! Thanks!
Great video, you covered a lot of things I needed to know about, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video, brother. Fellow DD-214 alum. I was in from '95 to '04 with a deployment, and MAN, I wish I'd seen this video when I got out. I totally didn't understand how my GI Bill benefits worked. I was going to school full-time and didn't know what I was doing. So now that I'm older, it's super awesome to know what I have at my disposal. It's weird how these things work out. I posted on my Facebook "It's still my dream to be a pilot," and then almost right away someone said "You can use your GI Bill for that," and it basically led me here. So, good lookin' out.
that's awesome. good luck!
This was really helpful
It comes full circle because now im watching your videos for actual guidance. Hope you're doing well brother.
Glad to hear that! I guess I need to build a website with all thee information like I sent you.
Thank you so much brother
excellent video, i did my instrument and commercial through Liberty University/Ocala Aviation in Florida. Best decision I ever made
D Polkamp how many ratings do you do a semester at liberty? I’m a veteran almost done with my PPL
Did you use your G.I. bill??
D Polkamp hey could you email me I’m currently enrolled in liberty university and I have a couple questions
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades does the liberty pays the BAH as well?
Current update, I am currently going Residential in Lynchburg, VA at the Campus and if you have full Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits and are going full time, it will cover the PPL. Thank you for this video and the insight! It helped me when I started my application and starting it!
That is some great information!
Good luck, they'll cover non flight classes ONLY. Even if you go full time. I just did my private through liberty couple weeks ago.
I already signed up for liberty and have been trying to figure out how to pay for my private license and I'm now going to use your trick. Fingers crossed
I hope it works out. Remember, it's not a trick, it's just money management.
This was a great video. I wish there was a way to speak to people like you that have military experience and ask for advice on what I should do. I’m 18 graduated from high school and I’m stuck between joining the army now and working up the ranks as I pay for ground and flight school or getting a 4 year degree and then in the future joining the army as an officer and trying to fly. I really want to take advantage of time and start flying ASAP but I don’t think I’m going to have the money for it.
I am not experienced in what I'm about to suggest, but. . . It seems like you might want to find a college that has both a flying program, and an JROTC program. The JROTC program pays a bit and commissioning in the military offers some student loan repayment. Look in to it and call some colleges to see what is out there.
First God I am starting my flight training on January 2022 through Liberty University online!
Good luck!!
I would highly recommend against taking out student loans, whether subsidized or unsubsidized for a PPL. You cannot predict the true cost of a PPL, there are too many variables; let the VA pay.
GI bill will pay for a private if it is apart of a degree program. There are a bunch of community colleges across the country that will take you from 0hrs to CFI and MEI for free with the GI bill. (central Oregon community college, Mercer community college, Baltimore community college etc).
I would also recommend against liberty and other 4 year programs. Get your ratings, get hired, and start getting flight experience. Your #1 priority is to become an employed pilot. Don't slow down or delay that by dicking around with a four-year program.
Well put together video
The VA will absolutely NOT pay for PPL as of September of 2017. Even if it is a part of a degree program. I had mine paid for just before the cutoff. Call the VA if you do not believe me. You can not get all those ratings and stay under the VA's annual funding caps for school in 2 years. The flight training alone is too expensive and there is no waiver. I would be happy to show you where this is stated. I have gone through all this and lived every piece of advice in this video.
Wow man this really gives me hope, I still have lots of confusion about how to do it. I've been in the army a year got in because previously was studying aviation for pilot in a part141 school but didn't have the money for a ppl so i enlisted active duty 6 years maintaning blackhawks and my dream is to be able to do it while Im in the army to have a constant progression..either way I really apreciate your video.
How is becoming a pilot working for you as a Blackhawk mechanic? I've been considering reclassing as I heard that is an option to get ones foot in the door
Im also a helicopter mechanic and work on the same kind of aircraft, excpet the navy call then seahawks. Ive been doing reaserch as well, and some of the certs/quals we get as mechs are usable crdits for an aviation degree. Look at your Joint Service Transcript. Curious as to how you went about it seeing this comment is 3 years old lol.
Been at this for the past four years trying to find a way using g.i. bill, Montgomery and VR&E. After all options at every school in the u.s. and multiple counselors, only option was to use g.i. and attend a degree program in which the g.i. bill ONLY covered the non flying classes. I.e. comms, history etc while getting private. Otherwise it can be obtained paying 100% out of pocket.
Once I got the private, VR&E kicked and and fronted everything from then on. It's on individual basis if they'll even cover that as well. The rules are only becoming more strict as well.
So the blue prints for vets are as follows, i JUST got through doing it: NO free flight training until you get a private. Stash away 30k because the FAA will make you see medical personnel if you take meds, have ptsd, previous alcohol problems etc. 25-30k will cover the med bills and private unless you opt to use a loan and do part 141 through college, then 10k will cover med bills for FAA. Also, have tons of patience as the FAA moves very slow on paperwork.
Great video. I’m looking for ways to pay for flight school; valuable information
Glad it was helpful!
I'm in the Reserves here at Houston, my Goal is to have my private pilot license, I guess the 1st step is to switch to the Post 9/11 Gi Bill
Appreciate the video man, lots of good info.I'm currently AD and wanted to know what classes can I take using tuition assistance? Would it be through charter since I'm going for the helicopter route?
Just retired! Thank you
As a head up, g.i. bill will NOT cover any flight portions in the degree program while getting your PPL. Per the CFR's now they they will not pay for ANY flight hours even if a degree is included with the private. I know, i just got my private. Now going to make VR&E pay for the rest and be the first veteran diagnosed with ptsd to hold a commercial. It's never even been attempted before until now, cost me 40k and four years between the private cert, medical bills and the FAA will make you do, to obtain your medical clearance.
That is not true. There are some programs around the country that I know the VA covers from PPL up. Not sure how they do it, but I have heard from some folks that have done it.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades been at this for the past four years trying to find a way using g.i. bill, Montgomery and VR&E. After all options at every school in the u.s. and multiple counselors, only option was to use g.i. and attend a degree program in which the g.i. bill ONLY covered the non flying classes. I.e. comms, history etc while getting private. Otherwise it can be obtained paying 100% out of pocket.
Once I got the private, VR&E kicked and and fronted everything from then on. It's on individual basis if they'll even cover that as well. The rules are only becoming more strict as well.
Your videos are very helpful. I have learned a lot of the last 2 or 3 weeks.
What I’m getting out of this is the best way to maximize benefits using the Post 9/11 at a degree/ flight program. Since your flight time is considered a lab, the VA will cover the cost, correct?
With out the GI bill I’m guessing the degree/flight program would cost upwards of $160k or more. Will the Post 9/11 cover all of this?
Thanks man. Lots of technicalities involved
Flight time is considered a lab. The post 9/11 will pay for it all, but the VA gets a negotiated price with the schools. This is better known as the yellow ribbon program. If I wasn't using the GI Bill I would not get the degree program. I would just go to flight school.
I'm only interested in flying Rotary however I have a problem. I can't seem to find a school with a program/affiliate that includes helicopter. I have 3 dependents as well so our locations are restricted to only a few places. Fife, Las Vegas, and Hawaii. The Charter College you mentioned currently isn't accepting any admissions into their aviation programs also. Do you have any advice or recommendations? At this point I've considered financing the full flight school and attending college afterwards to and use the BAH to pay the loan. I'm open to any considerations but really moving away from those current locations wouldn't be possible.
Thank you.
This was great but I was hoping youd give an example of an exact breakdown of how much one would pay out of pocket with a random school.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades I actually plan on going to liberty (i live in DC) but I am joining the air national guard. When I called they told me I needed 90 consecutive days of active duty service to qualify for the gi bill otherwise I just get tuition reimbursement and possibly a kicker depending on my MOS.
The schools vary so much that a general example is a bad idea. Each school comes up with a seperate plan on how to work with the VA and it means there are a lot of nuance between schools. Giving a general breakdown would be misleading unless you went to the specific school and were in the specific program I used. Also, it varies wildly with each student at the school. Thats why I avoided more school specific examples.
@@MeZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ That is a part of the process I'm not super familiar with. I know the 90 days does not include training. However, if you go on a single deployment it will cover your 90 day requirement. I would ask how frequently the unit deploys. Don't ask anyone in a leadership role. If you want an honest answer, ask a young guy out at the smoke pit.
Thanks for the efforts on putting this together! Regarding use of gi bills, there appears to be some stipulations as to when you need to use the by as they can expire. 10 yr expiration after last active duty svc for the mont. 15 years expiration for post 9/11 if discharged prior to 2013, if discharged after 2013 there isn’t any expiration.
I’m highly interested in becoming a pilot and searching for a way to help cover costs for a ppl, and other licenses up to ATP.
Any thoughts on best route how to do so now that I’m past my 15 yr post 9/11 gibill benefits?
I’d love to chat a bit directly with you if you’re opt to doing so. DM me if so. Thanks.
Thank you for making this video, and answering everyone's comments below. I'm getting out in a couple years and doing my due-diligence now. There's not a whole lot of information out there, and this helped a lot. Could you explain to me more about the BAH. You mentioned you get 100% BAH during flight labs. Could you elaborate more on what a flight lab is, and how often it's done throughout lets say a 2 year online college degree program? I've been pretty set on finding a flight school that works with a college nearby so I can receive 100% BAH instead of doing online classes.
So, you get 100% of the Post9/11, SSgt W/dependent, rate BAH for your area when you are taking "In-residence" classes. For online classes you get half of whatever that is. A flight lab is how the college makes flying part of the classroom curriculum. This is akin to how a chemistry class would have a lecture portion and a lab portion. Because the flight lab is part of the class, and in-residence classes get paid full rate BAH, when you are taking a flight lab of an otherwise online degree, you get the full rate. I put a link to the page explaining this below. I hope this helps.
www.benefits.va.gov/GIBILL/resources/benefits_resources/rates/ch33/ch33rates080118.asp
BurnoutsAndRotorblades I don't quite see any information on that link that states what you said, but I'll definitely take your word for it since you're actively doing it. Follow up question; Do you receive the full BAH based on your flight schools location, or based on Liberty's location?
Thanks in advance
I am about 70% certain it is based on the classes' location. So, the zip of the flight school. I'll keep looking and comment again if I need to correct this.
BurnoutsAndRotorblades so I've learned through other individuals doing this program that it's based off of Lynchburg BAH ($1095). (If you're actively flying). And $897 BAH for a full-time online student.(Not actively flying). The VA had announced a possibility of getting BAH based on locality of your FTA, but backed out on it and hasn't put out any guidance onto why.
Hey great video! Did you mention tuition assistance? Trying to save my Gi bill while still in.
Already Commercial/Instrument. Wanna use TA for CFI
Unfortunately you can't use TA for flight training. You can use it for the online classes and use the GI Bill only for the flight training classes. You might try to use FAFSA for that as well.
This was really great. Thank you. I’m gearing up to do this myself. I have 22 months left on my GI Bill and am at the 60% rate. Also just enrolled in VR&E so hoping that will help pay. Any advice for me? Currently my leading contender is Liberty’s FTA program where you do college classes online and flight training at a regular flight school. They say it takes 2.5 years with no experience. Hoping for that! If so, my 22 months should last me pretty darn close.
Make sure you use your tuition assistance for the classes. I don't think you can do VR&E while active duty, but I could be wrong on that. Don't let anyone tell you you can't, or it's not allowed. I'm doing it and have done it.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades right on. I'm not AD. Hoping VR&E will do the trick for me. Apparently they will pay 100%
Hey bud I read the comment and curious to see how things are going I’m currently active duty with 29 months left and I’m going to call liberty for more information about the flight program they have. Do you have any advice on how to go about it?
@@sincerecptn2143 I have another video about using VR&E as well. I'm using it now and it works.
@@sincerecptn2143 would be wise to use your last 2 years of service to knock out some prerequisites (math, science, English) using Tuition assistance at the university/ flight school you want to attend. You could have 5 or 10 classes done before you ETS. (Depending how motivated you are).
I think embry riddle also has several offices at the education centers on military institutions
When you take the ground portion of a bachelors degree and do the flight labs at your local flight school, do you get the bah rate where youre taking the flight labs? For example taking the online professional pilot degree in Utah and flying in CA.
You get the online rate for the school where the school is. If I remember right, you get the in person rates for the location your school is.
Awesome video Brian. Thanks for posting. So I am interested in getting the subsidized loan, but how does that work for paying back the PPL? I am currently enrolled in a part 141 ground school through the base aero club and I would like to get as many hours paid for with the subsidized loan, if thats even possibly. The confusion I had is because I think you said we get the loan through our school. I am currently enrolled in a masters program with Liberty University Online but its not for a flight related degree. I don't want to write a wall on your page, but I appreciate any info/advise.
When you do your financial aide paperwork for FAFSA through fafsa.ed.gov. It will tell you how much you are authorized. Your college will then ask you if you would like to accept the loans and you will have to fill out paperwork saying you want; none, enough to cover expenses, the whole amount you are authorized. you select the full amount and the school will disburse the amount after a bit more paperwork. I know this is generic, but it all starts with the FAFSA paperwork.
That's exactly is my question too! Once i do Fafsa, what's next?
1. If you could write a step-by-step process until i get my PPL without paying anything, that would be great.
2. Once i get my PPL, i can dumb my degree and it wont affect anything?
1. Enroll in the school
During this process, you will fill out the FAFSA and find out what you qualify for as far as Pell Grants and loans.
2. Start taking classes.
This will start the GI Bill BAH coming your way if you qualify.
3. either wait until you have the money from pell grants/BAH, or take out a loan.
4. Pay back loans if you took them.
At certain points during the year, If you qualify, you can receive pell grants. If you took the loan at the beginning of the year to start flying, use the pell grants if you qualified for them, to pay back the loans. Also, use the BAH to pay it back if you don't need it to live on.
5. stash away "extra" GI Bill BAH/Pell Grant money to pay for checkrides and extra flight hours.
6. show your PPL to the school so they can credit you with the completed cert.
You have to be taking classes the entire time!
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades you are a real Rockstar brother!!!
If i could i would take you out and treat you for the helpful human you are!
Things have changed a lot since this video was made, currently (sep 2023) liberty is having issues with the VA.
I'm still using the VA through liberty, they'll get it figured out.
@BurnoutsAndRotorblades My gi bill starts running out time wise January 20th (15 years post retirment. it's all gone for me), I just started fixed wing training Monday at a community College. I don't have time to wait.
First of all thanks for the video and all the helpful information.
I’m just a little bit confused, university of Alaska anchorage has a flight program in the form of an AAS or BS. The VA acknowledges the college for the g.i. Bill, however they will not for the flight program? I.e. using the g.i. to pay for tuition etc...? Just making sure I’m understanding correctly.
I’ll give the college a call soon and see what they say.
Thanks for your time and effort.
I called the university and they said the VA acknowledges their flight program and they’ve had many vets go through their program. To bad they don’t participate in the yellow ribbon program.
This is digging into the weeds and is a really good question so thank you for asking. Each program a college offers has to be approved by the VA independently. So the Aviation maintenance program or the welding program are independently certified. The VA is hard on flight programs and drags its feet so they may be uninterested in, unqualified for, or simply waiting on approval from the VA.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades Yeah I ended up calling the college awhile back and if I remember correctly they basically said that the G.I. bill covers everything except for Instructor $/hr, fuel and plane $/hr.
I’m in the Guard, but in the past two years, I've been on active orders. However, I'm currently using TA to knock out my core classes. But I'm planning on transferring to Embry-Riddle after I knock out my core classes. By any chance, do you know if I can transfer those credits towards my bachelor at Embry? And does the GI Bill covers both the tuition and flight training?
You can usually transfer up to 50% of outside credits towards a degree program at a new school. GI bill will cover flight training (not including PPL) as part of a degree program. I will warn that if you can do this through a less expensive school I would. Embry-Riddle is one of the most expensive schools and will eat up your benefits quickly. Take a look at Liberty University for a more cost effective option.
Very helpful video. I am transitioning out of AD and want to use the Post 9/11 to get an online aviation degree. I have a few questions. 1. Will the Post 9/11 cover my PPL if it’s through Liberty? 2. Will I receive full rate BAH vs Half since I’m technically taking flight training as my in-person class? I figure it’s worth mentioning that I plan on working full time as well. Does this seem feasible? Great video! Keep them coming!
I should also mention that I already have a bachelors and half of a masters, so I’ll be transferring quite a few credits.
BurnoutsAndRotorblades Perfect! Thanks for the information. I appreciate man!
BurnoutsAndRotorblades I currently have 18 mo left until ets.. can I take two online classes using TA and take out a subsidized loan to knock out my PPL before ever enrolling into my community college of choice that is partnered with a nearby flight school?
1) you will have to get the PPL on your own. As I say in the video, once you have access to student loans, use those to pay for the PPL. then use FAFSA and BAH to pay it all back. In that way it will pay for it if you consider it all Uncle Sam's money from different pots.
2) You are correct. When you are doing flight training you are taking "in residence" classes so you qualify for full rate. When you are taking classes online or "distance learning" you get the half rate. If you are not in a flight class one term, which will happen, you will be pro-rated to half rate for that time.
3) I worked full time and made time for family when I did mine. So, doing this is completely feasible.
Keep in mind, there is a minimum number of classes the college requires you to take from their school before giving you a degree. I don't know the number exactly, but it is a large percentage.
as long as you qualify for the subsidized loans through FAFSA.govm that sounds like a great idea.
Great video! In your opinion what’s a good value for 0 hours to multi engine instructor? Best I’ve been able to find is 30k in out of pocket costs after two years of GI bill coverage and 3 scholarships. Also do you think there is any added value for going through a larger school or does no one care at all where or how you earned your hours?
I already have my BS in Aeronautics so I don’t really care about burning my GI bill on flight training. Also does liberty allow you to stretch out your training to get 3 years of coverage?
I am not the best source for fixed wing training value since I did all my training on the helicopter side. Hours are the most important. It is not really important where you got them. Using a degree program is the best use of your GI Bill.
So I’m going to need a BA, the field doesn’t matter to the airlines. Right. If I were to choose let’s say Liberty for online classes. Do I get to choose where I can do the actual flight training like at my local state? Or do I have to do it through whatever Liberty has ties/ connections with?
Liberty might have ties with schools in your area. They have quite a few. Using their program does mean using their flight affiliates.
How many ratings will Charter college pay for with the va? I’m stuck between them and liberty
You live in Vegas ? You’re driving to where I live. I’ve been thinking of doing this
Go take a discovery flight at your local flight school. You'll know if it's for you after that.
Currently still AD, undergoing a aeronautics degree at embry riddle, currently have 60 credits completed so half way there. Would you suggest staying with riddle until I get out then going to Liberty or switch to Liberty right now online to make a smoother transfer. Can’t fly though atm sadly since I don’t have a location near, but can do classes online.
It all depends on where you can get the flight hours. You don't owe anyone any allegiance, go wherever is best for you. Have heard riddle is more expensive and eats benefits faster, but I don't have actual first hand knowledge.
Have you ever heard anything on MTSUs professional pilot course?
I'm not familiar with MTSU.
Can you clarify what you mean with online courses giving half of BAH? Are you saying that my current BAH will get cut in half with half going to the course or would I get an extra amount to help pay for the course?
the BAH rate for online classes is 50% of the in person rate. money to pay for the course is tuition and separate from BAH.
The part 141 route makes the most financial sense but 2 things confuse me. The VA will only pay for flight training after you obtain your PPL but the PPL is incorporated into the curriculum. So do you have to pay the part 141 university, out of pocket, until you obtain your PPL. Secondly, the VA website says the Post 9/11 pays up to the full in-state cost of tuition and fees. Does this include the cost of flight labs at the University or are they incorporated into the cost of tuition? I would think that this degree would have a premium on top of there normal tuition for their non-flight degree programs.
For your first question, "do you have to pay the part 141 university, out of pocket, until you obtain your PPL?" There are a few answers. You can get a PPL anywhere and the school will give you credit for it. One way to get money for this is, if you qualify for FAFSA Pell grant money, use the pell grant money to pay for the PPL while taking your other classes. With the post 9/11 GI Bill, you get BAH, you can use that to pay for the PPL. But as far as I know, the website for the VA says one of the requirements is for you to have your PPL.
Although. . .
I have heard from other people that this is not always the case. I have reached out to several schools and asked the question but I have not heard back from a single one. I would call the school you are thinking about going to and ask them directly.
For your second question, "Does [the full 'in-state' cost of tuition and fees] include the cost of flight labs at the University or are they incorporated into the cost of tuition?" This is a more simple question. The flight lab fees are part of the tuition and are covered by the GI bill. Be careful if you are going to a school outside your state because then you have a cap to worry about.
I hope this helps. if you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask.
Brian Baker
Is it possible to use post 911 and the the yellow ribbon at the same time to cover the rest of flight training?
Most schools that take GI Bill benefits are already yellow ribbon program participants. If they are not, I would consider looking at another school, unless the tuition is already low enough that it wouldn't make a difference. As understand it, Yellow ribbon is just an agreement the school make to not overcharge the GI Bill by lowering their price to a specified point.
Do you have an email where we can ask questions? I’m currently Active Duty.
I heard someone say the GI bill to cover PPL if you agree to follow thru all the way thru commercial ratings. Is this true? Also, if I already have a degree, can I use the GI bill just for the flight training and not for another degree?
There are a few schools around the country that will do full flight training from PPL to CFII. I have not gone to any of them so I can't speak to which ones offer what. You can use your completed degree to transfer credits and there won't be much left to take aside from flying Lessons. There will still be some classroom stuff. Every college I have dealt with has a minimum of degree credits that need to be taken at that institution.
I have a Bachelor's already and working on my masters. By the time I ETS I will be done. Also, I have my PPL. My question is, can I enroll at Liberty University just for the actual licenses up to CFI? I know they are a part of the Yellow Ribbon program, so they will pay more than the limit.
No school will let you show up and plop down a degree from somewhere else and just take the flight labs. That is essentially just vocational flight training. If you don't want to enroll in the degree program you can use your GI Bill in a part 141 vocational flight program. Remember this changes your annual maximum GI bill benefit. That coupled with the fact flight school is very taxing on the GI bill might drain it pretty quickly. Not a big deal if it's the last thing you want to do with your GI Bill. However, you also miss out on any student financial aide and the BAH that comes with a degree program.
If you do want to enroll in the degree program, you can use some of the credits you already have to lighten the load on meeting the overall requirements of the program. I pulled this right off the Liberty website "Liberty will allow up to 30 hours of Experience Plus credit that will be awarded in the form of transfer credit. Liberty allows a maximum of 90 hours of transfer credit for a bachelor’s degree."
To me, this means you can use all your associates courses and also get credit for your PPL in the program. It's basically how it worked out for me when I did it so I can verify from first hand experience.
I am not an expert on Vocational Rehabilitation, but I know it can be used for flight training. If you foresee having a disability rating that qualifies you for that program, it might be the better option.
Sorry for the long response. I hope it helps.
So my option is a liberty school thats an hour drive away and they're a cesna school with the newer 172s with G1000s. GulfCoastAviation in Baton Rouge Louisiana. I don't have any other local options. lol. Is it a bad idea?
send me an email with the city you live in so I can do a search of WEAMS around you for other options. burnoutsandrotorblades@gmail.com
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades emailed you
So, I went to the WEAMS website and put 'flight school' in the “program type” drop down menu. Then click on Louisiana to bring up a list of all VA approved Flight schools in Louisiana. I would also search the surrounding states but since you live smack dab in the middle of the state I’ll leave that up to you. I put all the schools that had a useable program that was VA approved on a map and attached.
But wait there’s more. . . .
If you use the same WEAMS tool and put ‘Institute of Higher learning' in the “program type” drop down menu, you have another type of school available.
Louisiana Tech University might be worth looking in to for an aviation program. They are listed on WEAMS for an Aviation Program and they do have a VA office. I will put a short list, but not a complete list of other school choices below. That WEAMS tool is a very powerful resource if you devote some time to it.
University of Louisiana Monroe
www.solacc.edu/admissions/applying-for-helicopter-aviation
You can also use the GI Bill comparison tool to look up schools in your area and see what programs they have that way.
In my quick look around you, it doesn’t look like there is anything conveniently located in your town, but sometimes it’s just part of the struggle. I had to drive 5 hours from Las Vegas to Salt Lake City, UT every weekend for months because the flight school I was using lost it’s VA approval. Salt Lake was where the nearest school associated with my college was located. It wasn’t fun. I slept in my car a lot, but it’s what I had to do.
These tools should be able to help you find something you can live with. Make sure to look for 2 year community college programs as well. Some of those are just as good as any 4 year program, and they might get you going faster.
Good luck,
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Looking into this for the past year or so. Any tips/recommendations on doing stuff while still active duty? I've got 5 years to retirement. I've got a little over 3000 hours as a Flight Engineer (KC-10). From what I understand, I can apply 500 hours from my engineer time to the 1500 minimum required for the ATP (its a 3:1 ratio 500 max applied, so i'm well over the max).
I have some stuff from my CCAF, though I'm not perusing that, for "reasons" (useless degree, and from what I was told by our education center, the new MilTA program makes it so you now have to choose between CCAF and a real degree).
There's a community college near me that offers a 2 year program (A.S. degree) that I've been looking into that goes from 0 to commercial, Mercer County Community College out of Trenton NJ. Problem with it is that all of the classes are basically in-person only, online is basically non-existant, even for the basic shit like Math and English. I need online due to constant trips/deployments, unable to do in-person because of this.
It sounds like you have done a fair bit of research. You are correct about the CCAF. If you finish it, you won't be allowed to take any more associate level degree courses using MilTA. However, you can basically CLEP your way to a degree with CCAF and some schools will accept the whole thing as transfer credit.
The ATP is a long way off and that 1000 hours that you need includes a lot of sub requirements that may eat into your 500 hours of transferrable FE time. It's nice to know that exists, but it won't help you until way later, if at all.
I am reasonably certain the VA put an end to having PPL paid for, even if it is part of the curriculum for a degree program. Either way, you'll have to pay for that one out-of-pocket. Honestly, get a loan and knock it out, then use FAFSA money to pay it back. You can use Post 9/11 BAH if you keep taking college after Active Duty. It looks like Mercer's flight program is in WEAMS. The success of the program typically relies on how good the VA program rep is. I would defer back to taking CLEP tests to meet as many requirements as possible.
I still think the best online flight training degree program is liberty university. I don't know exactly where you live but Mercer CC is near Trenton NJ, and Liberty University has a flight affiliate in Allentown, PA. 1.5 hrs per google maps. It might be worth giving them a call and seeing if they are an option for you.
Do you remember where in the far/aim mentions the FE hours?
Just a heads up. Liberty university no longer takes post 9/11
How long were you an aircraft mechanic before you left the field?
13 years. 10 years active duty Air Force and 3 years as a contractor in the defense industry.
I am an E3 and active duty, I am planning on getting my private, commercial, and CFI in helos. I plan on using TA and I believe FAFSA can help me too. Unfortunately, I only have access to the Montgomery GI bill, but will use that if absolutely necessary too. Sooo… You mentioned where you should go for collegiate classes, but it was not in my understanding that college was required. I thought you could just go to any ground school, even online, then flight school and take your exams and go from there. Is this incorrect? Why is college needed if it isn't a prerequisite for the license?
If you are currently active duty you should be able to elect the Post 9/11. You are going to want to do that to maximize your benefit for flight training. You can go to any flight school for ground and flight training. To use the GI bill, the school has to be part 141. To have it completely paid for, the VA requires it be part of a degree program. You can do whatever you want, Uncle Sam has put in some hoops to jump through before you get to use his money.
Hi Quick question really interested on going to Liberty University Online. My question is I know PPL is out of pocket but will the other stuff such as CPL, ratings, CIF and the other stuff you mention will they pay for those [GI-Bill]
Yes, all the Instrument, Commercial, CFI and even multi-engine and Multi-instructor are part of the school program. The GI-bill can pay for all of that if you qualify.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thank you for replying 🙏🏼 VA reps from LU clarified it to me too. will be starting this summer semester if all goes well 🙂
So I shouldn’t use the Montgomery gibill and wait to have active duty time in, to use the post 9/11 for flight school?
I will be straight with you. I have no idea what you're asking without much more information. If you are guard/reserve, I don't know the specifics of their programs. I only know this much through my own experience.
Just an update. Charter College is no longer accepting new applicants.
If I get out of the military with a bachelor's degree, pay for a private pilot's license out of pocket, and have the post 911 gi bill, what would you recommend doing?
Find a flight school near you that is partnered with a college and go. It's the biggest pain in the butt but the best use of the post 9/11 GI bill benefits. Some colleges will take as much as half you bachelor towards another bachelor for their program. Liberty University is a good online program if you can do online and the overt religiousness of the school doesn't bother you. If you have a disability rating, see if you can use Vocational Rehab first. Second choice would be using Post 9/11 at a part 141 school vocationally.
The GI Bill will not cover your PPL even if it is apart of the degree program?
I’m currently in the reserves trying to start pilot school, I found a community college that has a pilot program, do you know anything about what % I get or how much a pilot degree will get paid?
There are a few programs around the united states that have VA approved flight programs that start from PPL. They are rare though.
Hey I’m at Liberty right now. I’ve just been struggling to find grants for my Private pilot 1/2. Any recommendations? I start in January. Active duty.
Thanks man
Did you do your FAFSA and do you qualify for the Pell Grant?
do you know exactly how the labs work at liberty? do you just get to fly as much as you want or are you limited by hour per day? per week? per month? I assume the flight school is reimbursed by the University. also does liberty not allow you to use the flight lab portion of the degree until you can prove you have a PPL?any help you can give me is greatly appreciated. ive only got a year before I ets and im trying to have all my shit in order so I can make a smooth transition right into school when I get out but the VA seems to make flight training so unattainable that ive almost considered biteing the bullet and taking out a big loan to just go to ATP though I know its a terrible idea. so like I said anything helps
For the flight labs, you are limited by you annual VA monetary cap. You have to have your PPL done to get VA funding, but you can start online classes without a PPL. Start classes with Liberty and take the subsidized loan and Pell Grant money you will likely qualify for through FAFSA and pay for your PPL while taking classes paid for through Tuition Assistance. Then pay it back the loan with subsequent Pell Grant money and VA GI Bill BAH when you ETS. I hope this helps.
I received by PPC when I was 17 in 2001 and some Instrument. Still have GI and Post 911 GI available. Im a career firefighter currently, can the journey to commercial be achieved without dropping work and still being able to provide for my family? Just lost on how to even approach this.
Absolutely. I'm full time as an A&P mechanic and I have a wife, who is a full time student, and two kids. I can't afford to not work. I fly when I can, usually on weekends, and all the classes are online. If you have work, the school can work with you to move around your schedule. As far as the flight training, any flight school thats worth anything will also work around your schedule. A few things to take care of first are; get an FAA medical done, find out which college has a flight partner near you (Liberty University or Charter College), Enroll in classes and get your classes and financial aide rolling. I see you have some drone flying videos on your age. It might be worth looking into FAA part 107 to be a licensed commercial drone pilot. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. I will try to get back to you with a good answer as fast as possible.
May be a dumb question, but i recently got out. I wanted to use my GI bill to be a helicopter pilot. When you go to a flight college program, does that class cover both fixed and rotary wing or is there a certain program for both?
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades Thanks! It's all good. I don't plan on going back to school until next year. Not a lot of colleges near me offer aviation programs, so I am just trying to figure out what to look for when I do find one. If you got any new tips to make this easier to achieve that'd be great.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades Ah, looking forward to watching that video then! Thanks for responding!
Each, rotor-wing and fixed-wing, is its own program.
I have 60% GI bill benefits and 34 months remaining. Im planning on going to flight school Jan 2024 but trying to use some financial aid for the class portions and use the GI bill & 60% of bah around $2100 to fund the rest.
Im unsure how colleges work but help will be great! (Can something like this work?). I will be attending a Florida community college that has a flight program.
It might help to get a subsidized student loan to cover what GI bill won't pay. Then use whatever funds you get, like BAH, FAFSA Pell grants . . . to pay back the loan.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thanks for the advice!
@@flxsukijust a quick question what community college are you attending? I’m a month out heading back to Florida trying to find somewhere to go.
How would this work if I want to become an airline pilot in about 4/5 years or less? I haven't started any flight training. I want to join the military for the benefits. I want to be the type that has a civilian job while in it and only go one weekend a month. I'm thinking of joining the AF reserve. Currently studying at a state college as a sophomore. 20 y/o. Will your videos content help me with my goals? I hardly know anything about the military. Thanks for the great information! Does the MGIB-AD have different benefits than the MGIB-SR? And the Post 9/11? What does a reservist vs AD get? I'm thinking of doing flight school as Part 61 vocational.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades Thank you for the reply! I'll keep researching.
Reserve and Guard education benefits are very different from active duty. There is a minimum number of days you have to be on active orders to qualify, if I remember correctly. Sorry, Guard and Reserve stuff isn't really in my wheelhouse since I am only familiar with the AD benefits. Good luck.
So I'm a crane operator but I want to look into getting into getting into helicopter cranes. How do I get in to that?
The job of construction helicopter is not something they let low time pilots take on. I would say that it has more to do with being an incredibly experienced helicopter pilot and a lot less to do with operating a crane. The helicopter is only a "crane" for a few minutes, but it's always a helicopter. I'm not trying to downplay your experience with a crane, but I assume a good crane operator knows a substantial amount about the equipment he's running. The same goes for helicopters. All that to say, it's not a simple transition as far as I can see. If you really want to do it, go to a flight school and get started with a discovery flight or a private pilot's license. Then you'll want to get some long-line training.
So if I use my Post 9/11 on a part 141 school until I get my CPL, do I still have to shell out money for it? or will it cover all of the expenses
That is a very complicated question. Basically, yes, post 9/11 can cover all your costs, but. . . That is assuming you are good enough to pass your stages and check-rides in the course time allotted, and you are doing it with a college degree program which you also must pass. Also, it will only cover up to your annual GI Bill cap.
So which flight schools would you recommend for the post 9/11 GI bill?
I have used both Liberty University and Charter College for the college portion. I would recommend both. However, the flight program at Charter is closed down now. For flight schools, I have worked with Veracity Aviation in Seguin Texas, Utah Helicopter in Spanish Fork Utah, Airwork in Las Vegas, and Elite Flight training in Las Vegas. I would highly recommend staying away from Elite flight training. The other three schools are awesome and I would recommend them in the order I mentioned them above. However, I used all of them through Charter College so the way they handle things is a bit different now. Every school has had to come up with an alternative plan. So, call the school closest to you to figure out the finer details.
i am 22. Do you think this is a viable path to become an airline pilot? Should i pursue a non-aviation degree while doing flight training after the military? and lastly, can i do training early while still serving? (maybe national/reserve?)
A degree program is the best use of your benefits. I started and nearly finished my training while in the military. It's totally doable if there is a program near you.
just to be clear, if i do the liberty route online classes with flight training would i recieve full BAH or half? or a combination of both?
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thankyou
Great question. If you are enrolled in any in-residence class during that term, you receive full BAH. If, like me, there were terms you needed to stretch out your benefits and take only online classes and no flight lab, you only get half rate BAH. So, it can change by the term depending on what you are in for each term regardless of what school. It's just the VA rules.
This must be assuming you have a degree already or if you don’t have a degree, not trying to getting into the major airlines.
Negative. You can use the 141 program associated with a university like Liberty university to get both at the same time. There are also many other small colleges around with in-residence flight programs coupled with flight training. Use the WEAMS tool from the VA to find one near you.
Start the degree and then take a subsidized loan and then use GI bill to pay that loan off? Bro, there was a lot of disturbance, can you clarify this part pls?
1. Enroll in the school
During this process, you will fill out the FAFSA and find out what you qualify for as far as Pell Grants and loans.
2. Start taking classes.
This will start the GI Bill BAH coming your way if you qualify.
3. either wait until you have the money from pell grants/BAH, or take out a loan.
4. Pay back loans if you took them. (Preferably just save up the cash instead)
At certain points during the year, If you qualify, you can receive pell grants. If you took the loan at the beginning of the year to start flying, use the pell grants if you qualified for them, to pay back the loans. Also, use the BAH to pay it back if you don't need it to live on.
5. stash away "extra" GI Bill BAH/Pell Grant money to pay for checkrides and extra flight hours.
6. show your PPL to the school so they can credit you with the completed cert.
You have to be taking classes the entire time!
Hi, I know the VA will not pay for the PPL but can I use the 9/11 bill to pay the $13k per year to pay for PPL?
I haven't tried it that way so I'm not sure. Let me know if it works so I can pass it along.
Did you become an airline pilot in the end?
No, i'm a helicopter CFI
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Pretty late idk if you’re still active. But I haven’t gone to the va and gotten my rating. Mostly cold feet and being a baby. I’ve been wanting to do this but wondering if my only option is to work a terrible job and pay for my 40 hrs and then get into a school for it or if I can just get into a school. Idk I’m lost in the sauce guys
A good A&P program will help you meet the hour requirement as well. The only problem is they want you to show up like it's a full time to do so. If you have Veteran's benefits, find a school that has a VA program and live off the BAH and maybe a night job. The only program I know of to give you an example of is HallMark University in the link below. I know there are many more around the country but this should give you an idea of what to look for.
info.hallmarkuniversity.edu/aeronautics?campaignid=113449084&device=c&kwcategory=b&network=g&matchtype=p&Internet%20HPMS-Ad%20Branded%20Search&Hallmark%20University&gclid=Cj0KCQjwwtWgBhDhARIsAEMcxeCpp6PJVG7MpbYB6LD8b5CaQDX8UN-G8Dpgs6FmEfSj68crpS4FwvYaAqhqEALw_wcB
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thanks man. You’re an absolute dawg
I am currently serving active army and selected the Montgomery. How do I know whether or not I'm eligible to switch? I have been in long enough to qualify.
I would take those questions to the education office. As I understand it, if you qualify for the Montgomery, you can switch to the post 9/11 any time. But you can not go back.
So is the trick to only take 1 semester of college and then transition into a vocational program after securing a loan, grant, and BAH?
The BAH is only paid while taking enough credit hours, the Grant is awarded in the fall and disbursed throughout the school year. Loans don't care because you have to start paying them back as soon as you are no longer actively pursuing a degree for a period of time.
I’m trying to go to Embry-Riddle and I haven’t been able to find a straight answer on if flight costs will be covered under my 9/11 GI-bill or not even if I have my PPL. Any answer on this?
BurnoutsAndRotorblades that’s fine! I’m just searching for a school I can go to and do a good degree program and also qualify for a R-ATP
BurnoutsAndRotorblades Fixed wing. My goals is to go to the regionals and flow through to the legacies/majors. Thanks you!
Embry riddle is tricky. they only have flight classes at their main Florida location and I've been told they are one of the most expensive schools you can go to. Fixed wing, I would try Liberty University if it's a possibility. For rotor-wing I would look up Veracity aviation. I have worked with both schools and they are both awesome. Other than that I don't really know much about their program. sorry I couldn't be more help.
So if I do a online degree program through liberty, can i attend flight training at my local flight school? I personally know one of the flight instructors and they are a good rated school in my area.
Cory Bolton I’m literally in the same boat right now, same online school and local flight school situation
Could always move to Florida there are a bunch of schools on their list there
So just to clear up, if I plan to take full advantage of my GI bill with full bah. I need to go to liberty or other equivalent degree program and take physical classes and then attend flight training at a school that works with the school and excepts the GIBill ... That's going to take some figuring out to do. Also get my personal flight license at my local flight school because GIBill won't pay that and I avoid loads like the plague 😂
Only if that flight school is a partner school with Liberty University. If you want to fly with Uncle Sam's money, you have to jump through Uncle Sam's hoops. You have to have your PPL done to get VA funding, but you can start ONLINE CLASSES without a PPL. Start ONLINE classes with Liberty and take the subsidized loan and Pell Grant money you will likely qualify for through FAFSA and pay for your PPL while taking ONLINE classes paid for through Tuition Assistance if you're active duty or GI Bill if you are out already. Then pay the PPL loan back with subsequent Pell Grant money and VA GI Bill BAH when you ETS. Online classes can be taken anywhere. Go to the Liberty website and make sure there is a flight partner in your area. If the school is a Liberty flight partner then it accepts VA.
Can a 100% disabled veteran with ratings for PTSD, & physical issues become an airline pilot for major carriers (Delta, United, American Airlines, etc.)?
You have asked a very timely question sir. I am putting together a video that will answer this but for now I will give you some resources that will help you find the answer to your question. I will not however, say yes or no because that is between you and the FAA. The following is basically cut and pasted from the script of a video I'm doing on using Vocational Rehabilitation to get your Pilot's License.
"Be extremely careful about what disabilities you have in your VA record. The FAA medical asks about VA disabilities. You can lie but the FAA can and has pulled VA medical records before to see what pilots where getting. In 2005 the FAA actually revoked the licenses of 46 Airline pilots who weren’t being honest about their disabilities with the FAA.
www.nytimes.com/2005/07/20/us/us-says-46-pilots-lied-to-obtain-their-licenses.html
The FAA has a list of disqualifying medical conditions and medications. “An airman who is medically disqualified for any reason may be considered by the FAA for an Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate.” Things like Sleep Apnea do require a Special Issuance. It is an extra bit of effort, but you still get to fly. The link to the list of disqualifying conditions is below.
www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/faq/response6/
For some chronic illnesses that are not listed as "disqualifying," there may be a decision matrix that requires the medical examiner to gather extra information and defer to the FAA for a special issuance. Sleep apnea is one of these items. For a longer list see the link in the description.
www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/
While your illness might not prohibit you from flying, a particular medication can. the FAA has a comprehensive list of medications and medication types that will prohibit you from flying. this list should be consulted anytime you are prescribed something as a part of your "I'M SAFE" checklist.
www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/pharm/dni_dnf/
For medical defects, which are static or nonprogressive in nature, (for example, color vision deficiency) a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) < www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/exam_tech/item23-24/ > may be granted in lieu of an Authorization."
Any thoughts on getting free flight training using vocational rehabilitation
Thanks for the comment, I’ll let you know how my process goes when I begin here
Doing it now, it is possible. Video on it soon.
Whats your perspective on liberty university?
Great program. Well put together. The religious aspect is tolerable.
What about part 61 schools like ATP flight school? Any reasoning why you don't even get BAH for going to school full time?
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades I was thinking of going to ATP finish in 9 months then while I'm a CFI go to school online to collect some bah to pay stuff back? Talked to voc rehab and they will not give me any info until I have my private pilots license. A bunch of no help lol. I am the farthest thing from religious so idk if I'd like like liberty University
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades will they pay you the full bah amount it your doing flight classes in person?
Part 61 schools are considered "vocational training" and the VA will only 'reimburse' vocational flight training up to 60% after the private pilot license. Why? I don't know. It's probably the result of a bunch of people taking advantage a long time ago. It sucks, but it's a lot easier finding the way to work within the system than trying to apply logic to it, getting mad about it, or trying to change it in the short term. So, to make the best use of your benefits you want to find a part 141 school that is partnered with a college. Liberty University and community colleges are good places to start looking.
Trust me when I say I hear you on the religion thing. there are times to just suck it up and remember it's a means to an end. I went for a whole year and to be honest, it was annoying at worst. but when I popped up off the ground it was all worth it. I'm not here to tell you what to do, but I will recommend giving Liberty a chance. It's worth it as a way to have Uncle Sam pay you back.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades wow can't believe it's almost a year. I did just that I currently am enrolled at liberty University for about a year. I am currently on my commerical license and wow it's been amazing. I don't know why I didn't do this sooner.
what online colleges do you really recommend? so i can get money from the GI BILL
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thanks brother.
The only online aviation program I know of is Liberty University. Charter College shut their doors because students were abusing the program.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades what do you mean they were abusing the program? So the only online college you recommend now is Liberty university for online schooling?
Liberty University is the only VA approved school with an online degree plan that lets you do the flight training at a partner school near you, that I know of. That is a very specific basket, but one that is needed by most active duty and vets. There are places like Embry Riddle in Florida, along with many other smaller programs across the US that take VA education money for a flight training degree. However, I don't have experience with them. I am not endorsing anyone, I am letting you know how I did it and if that fits your goals, it is a path you could take as well.
Why wouldn’t u be able to switch over?
BurnoutsAndRotorblades from Montgomery to post 9/11
I've been saving to take flight training, have my Post 9/11 GI Bill, and want to take training without attending a college. Is there a way to get in contact with you to discuss this?
I am going to highly recommend doing it with a degree program. You ill be missing out on well over $10,000 per year if you don't.
The Post 9/11 gi bill without a degree program is vocational flight training which is paid for in a different way.
"A vocational program at a stand-alone Part 141 pilot school, we’ll pay for the net cost of training up to a yearly limit (depending on your level of eligibility and remaining entitlement). You won’t be eligible for a housing allowance or money to help buy books and supplies."
www.va.gov/education/about-gi-bill-benefits/how-to-use-benefits/flight-training/
First you cost will be higher:
This does not include Private pilot. Anything over the annual cap, you will have to pay for out of pocket.
Second you will miss out on free money:
The BAH (Basic Allowance for Housing) is paid out at E5 with dependant rate. This is aroun $1200 per month. You only get this if you use a degree program. With a degree program you could also qualify for Pell Grant through FAFSA. That is another $5400 in free money. All this is money-in-your-pocket that can be spent on more flying. That's not to mention the scholarships that schools offer. I should also say, All this is TAX FREE.
Third missed opportunity:
Most airlines like to see a degree. If you are a like-skilled and qualified pilot, someone with a bachelor degree will beat you out.
If you still want to do it vacationally, the link above will break it all down for you.
Can I use post 9/11 gi bill for 61 classes?
yes, but it is not the best bang for the buck.
I want to ask you more questions, sir.