My Experience with ATP Flight Training... Is it for you?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- My experience with ATP Flight School was somewhat unique but a great time overall and got me where I wanted to be. In this video, we'll go through my story, the pros and cons of ATP, talk about whether ATP is right for you, and review some of the other flight training options out there.
00:24 What is ATP
01:00 My Experience with ATP's Flight Training
03:30 Pros of ATP's Flight Training
08:55 Cons of ATP's Flight Training
11:20 Is ATP right for you?
13:00 Other Flight Training Options
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I graduated ATP a month ago with all 7 certificates. Took 14 months, and that was the same for most of my classmates. Just a heads up for viewers. It's taking a lot longer than advertised right now.
Thanks for the info
Can second this, 14 months for me 0-hero, and it’s taken a few months of waiting for an open cfi spot
@@ohozo7292 would you recommend saving 130000 then joining atp flight school ?
@@ohozo7292 would 32 be too old to switch over to start flight school?
@@MoonKingGamingMobile 32 is young, I’m 28. I was in class with plenty of people in their early 30s. And if you’re in a position to pay out of pocket for the program, living expenses covered, it takes a lot of risk out of the equation. There might be other paths you can take to get ratings with that amount of cash but doesn’t sound like a bad idea to me at all.
Here’s my ATP story. I went to ATP. I got my ratings. I left ATP. I CFI’d. Now airline CA. The end
Airline CA?
Subscribed. Learning a lot of valuable information here. Thank you!
Touring ATP, Epic, and PEA this week.
Great video. Been debating jumping into ATP or another route but this was great
Great video! Thanks for sharing your experience
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Awesome video, im currently a full time Police Officer myself. First and foremost, congrats on retirement. Getting there is no easy task. I'm attending a 2 year 141 program here in NJ, almost done with my PPL. It has been a real grind working the night shift and being a full-time student, but hopefully it'll pay off in the near future. Awesome content, keep up the good work!
Dude thats awesome! Thanks for your service! And I can only imagine how exhausting that is. Stick with it man, the quality of life is so much better! It’ll be worth it!
Wow, I respect the grind. Goodluck
Great vid
very informative and well rounded. I'm glad I came across this video and recommended videos like this because I would have wasted all that money.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I feel encouraged as a 41 year old to see that you went through this certification and career pivot at a similar age.
I’m 41 as well and will be going to flight school.
Great video love your channel keep it up ❤
Thank you! Will do!
I loved ATP. Started back in June 2018 and I'm loving life right now.
Are you working for an airline?
Are you working for an airline
Soooo are you working for an airline?
great video
I took the long route. Started training late December 2015. Mom and pop part 61 school whilst going to college and working almost full time from zero hours to CFII. I was working 3 jobs after graduating college to afford the rest of my training and passed my CFI ride in December of 2022. Best day of my life in the last 10 years was putting in 3 2 week notices at the same time to my other jobs. I JUST got to a part 135 SIC position a few months ago. All roads lead to Rome though. ATP is a 8-9 hour day, 5 days a week process and more expensive. I paid roughly 75k from zero to CFI. You'll pay almost double for that at ATP these days however, you'll get it done SUPER quick. Pros and cons to both.
Dude, kudos to you man! Now THAT is commitment! Way to stay the course, thats inspiring!!!
Finished up at ATP about two months ago and don't really have any complaints. The program is a bit longer than advertised, but a lot of this is due to weather, DPE checkride wait, and/or personal schedule. No program is perfect and there were hiccups, but this is the same of any endeavor. Be flexible, be resourceful and be a good student. The program is structured, but it is the responsibity of the student to manage scheule, studying, expectations, etc. ATP provides the resources to get you to your end state. No one loves you more than you; so commit to the program and view ATP as a facilitator to your goal - becoming a airline/commercial pilot.
Hey man so would you say your 100 percent satisfied with atp? Where im at i can see they are the only ones that offer the hours i need, how fast did you find a job after completing? I was thinking about paying the school cash. And just take a year off of work to do this .
I’ve been thinking of leaving a slower part 141 school and really want to fly every day with a rigid schedule! (Prior military in me needs that consistency) Your video helped me solidify my decision to switch. Thanks!
What don’t you like about part 141 ? I was thinking on using the VA benefits to do part 141 but a lots people like the part 61 route
Hi Josh I'm from Barcelona, Spain and here everything is more bureaucratic in general. With very dense ATPL theories and in which there is a lot of filler content that only creates confusion, I am currently in the theoretical phase of the ATPL. I wish I could have such intensive courses so I could get my licenses as quickly as possible and be able to focus on gaining experience in flying. Congratulations on your channel and I wish you much success, you are an example to follow. Greetings an a big hug from Barcelona 😎🤙🇪🇸
I can't imagine how frustrating that is! But stick with it and keep moving forward, nothing worth doing is ever easy. Just take it one day at a time, it will absolutely be worth it!
@@josh_on_the_fly Thank you very much for your words Josh, of course despite these difficulties I will not give up and I will continue step by step every day.
Greetings from Barcelona and a big hug!
Wow, it's really cool to find a local aviation channel! I started my PPL at Ellington, and finished it up at H&R at T41 in LaPorte. I've been out of flying for a while, but I'm starting to get back into it. I'm in the Civil Air Patrol at Ellington and will start getting qualified on our planes there once I get my medical renewed in a couple of weeks.
I've been considering a "career 2.0" change and pursuing my old aviation dreams and trying to move through my ratings quickly. My current problem is just trying to find someplace that will loan me the money to do them.
Dude thats awesome! Just stick with it, its definitely worth it. The new tail number is N43CD if you're ever flying and hear it; I'm based out of KLVJ in Pearland.
Hey all I’m 25 yo old I grew up in a family of aviation. Ever since I was able to walk I wanted to be a pilot. When I was about 16 I stared take lessons and got to about 25 hours total time, before I stared hanging around the wrong crowd which led me into a position to where I was no longer able to fly, stared working some jobs met the mother of my child and it went from there, 1 or 2 years ago I was working at a local airport which re sparked my aviation bug and when you mentioned seniority it resonated very much so. However I have financial commitments that is preventing from pursuing my dreams. I’m thinking about joining the military serving for either 1 or 2 enlistments either work on avonics or a&p and than I may be able to hop on the bandwagon. Hopefully, thing work out in my favor but knowing how things go with life it may not be the case. I just thought I’d vent how I feel, sorry for ranting on. Thanks guys.
I am a Law Enforcement Officer in Central Florida and looking to get into ATP. I’m glad someone can relate with me. Thanks for the info
Wow, Great video!!
Nice info! Currently enrolled with ATP starting in the next couple weeks located in south Houston area as well going to be flying out of EFD!
Any updates? I love watching EFD. How are the classes?
Awesome video brother.
I'm in Houston as well and considering ATP but I'm curious did you go to the Conroe or Ellington campus? I'm about equal distance from either but I'm leaning towards Conroe b/c I see they have multiengine and on-site maintenance department.
Hey Josh, please make a video about your skydive pilot experience. I'm considering that as an option for building time when I'm in that phase.
Ooh I like this idea!
How can I get all my exams done before starting ATP flight school? Is that through ATP? And how did you study? Did ATP provide you with the books and study guides? Thank you for the video, I am considering ATP, I think it might be the best option for me.
Hello Josh
I’m in CT and looking to start ATP on the summer, in the Hartford location. do you think you can share what material you used to study for the written exams?
Thanks
Paulo
I’m on my way to ATP as of right now man, and im hoping to get in, I whiling to drop everything (full time job, free time) to do this full time program being a pilot is something I’ve been wanting to do since a kid and my mind has not changed one bit of it, yes I’ve my up and downs and thoughts of doing something else bc the main causes of that is the pricing, but im here for all, like they say you only live once and if you like something you chase it not matter what’s around it and the bumps, your video really pushed to do it and here I am on the way to the ATP office with my parents. It would be nice if you reply to me and have a private conversation with me after I get out.
Hi Josh! Thanks for your input! Did you train at EFD in Houston? I am starting March 18 with ATP. Any advice is much appreciated!
No I trained in Conroe. They didn’t have a location at EFD when I went through which was a bummer because I live 15 minutes from ellington. Instead I drove an hour and twenty mins each way up to conroe.
As far as advice… get as much done before then as possible. If you can get your writtens done before hand you will have so much more time to focus on flying.
Hey Josh, as a young guy in his early 20's do you think going all out on the full time course including housing is worth it? Looking at around $130,000 loan. It's a bit scary but if I commit, I commit. Is the payoff there?
This video is gonna blow up
Out of curiosity Josh, what is the max age that ATP will take students and what would you say would be the best amount of saved income in order to simply live off of while going to school, especially for a single 35 year old veteran with no kids? Yes I'm talking about me hahaha. I really enjoyed flying, but just like driving a car I'm never comfortable with someone else behind the wheel or in this case stick.
Are you in Colorado? I saw another video about aspen. I’m a former first responder trying to decide which school I want to use.
Hi There Josh,
Was searching for ATP flight school and wanna ask you in which city, State you took your ATP flight school ?
Thanks for the video. I am a sergeant with a major Police Department in Florida and about to retire myself. I’m working on my instrument rating now. I’m going through a part 61 because I’m still working full-time. It is not an easy road. How is your aviation progressing?
Going fantastic! Through some networking I was able to land a job as a 135 Corporate Jet Pilot flying Hawkers and Lear Jets!!
How long does it take to get a job as a airline pilot after graduation?
Small critique of your video that may have impacted your experience and opinion. You are definitely a model student getting all of the written exams out of the way before starting and also scoring no less than 97%. That’s both rare and impressive. Also, you must have went to a great training center with newer equipment. I’m currently in CFI Academy at ATP. My experience is much different. The Archers flown were built in 2014, 2016, 2018. The Seminole that I had the pleasure to fly was as old as I am, a 1979 model.
You are absolutely right about the seminole, I stand corrected. Our seminoles were a bit older as well and only had G500’s which we thought were sooo antiquated! 😂😂😂
Magenta line queens over here 😭😭😭
How flexible are they on a training schedule? Looking to maintain my 6 figure day job which is remote and flexible + fly in the afternoon/evenings. I have my PPL already not sure if that matters specifically with a training schedule.
Hey! Starting ATP myself in June. It’s not very flexible. They actually told me from the jump that I cannot have a job and do training with ATP. It’s one of their requirements because they want you to be able to focus on staying the course during training
What's your school Funding resources?
What do you have to say about all the negatives about ATP. Do you agree or not?
As an ATP student, don’t go to ATP. This man had a very lucky experience with the program at his location. I can tell you from the place that mine was based at, it was very different. Some instructors are very good and passionate about teaching, others are not and will refuse to do grounds with you even if you need help. And as far as plane availability? When my friend went through, there weren’t enough planes so he wasn’t able to fly for months, and when I went through I had a flight where we squawked at least four planes in a row trying to get up in the sky. Not to mention the management seems like it’s actively trying to kick people out right now both instructors and students, probably related to them getting sued right now. So they’re moving up timelines and forcing the students and instructors to bear the brunt of ATP’s mistakes. Maybe you might get lucky and get a location with friendly people willing to work with you. I’m getting separated from the program due to my deployment, a short one at that. I was told beforehand they would try to work with me and freeze my program till I came back but with this recent shift at the company, they’re looking for any excuse to boot people to keep their timelines up. Even with DPE availability they’re struggling. Yeah it might be better than some places where people are waiting months, but other flight schools have their own DPEs on hand ready to go as well. Some people at my program waited a month after finishing everything trying to get a checkride, and as a result got so rusty (mixed with being sent to a totally different location in a way different and busier airspace where ATC was too busy to accommodate) and only a 1.0 flight to get them spun back up (about as much time to take off, take a look, and land), so they failed on a maneuver.
Which state are you in?
Which atp location u went to ?
I’m currently a Police Officer thinking about leaving Law Enforcement due to being burnt out with poor leadership, etc.
I’ve been heavily looking into Aviation and since your former military and former Cop I was wondering if you’d have any advice for me. Maybe be able to answer some questions.
Married with a young kid. I have an ATP school within driving distance of my house. This would be a second career for me. Being that i have a young child and married, knowing that this school requires daily interaction. I am on the fence about it. I would really like to get through school as fast as possible to get to the career side but i also want to make sure I am able to focus and get through with the best education as possible. What are your thoughts? I'd leave my job to attend the school for the length of time it takes. So outside of my family, the flight school would be my number 1 priority. Thanks.
If the school is pretty close, that’s really gonna cut down on your total time for the day that you’d be away. Also, if you’re good at studying on your own, then a lot of that can be done at the house, cutting ground school time to the minimum. In my cohort, it was obvious the ones that were taking the time and studying at home and knew the information when they came in. Those that didn’t know the information, and clearly weren’t studying, were required to attend more ground schools than the rest of us to make sure that they were prepared for the check rides.
Thank you!
QUESTION! So you can actually take which written test before start flying?
Private (PAL), Instrument (IRA), and Commercial (CAX). To take the PAL you will need to complete some kind of ground school like the Kings or Sportys Online Ground School. And then to take the other exams you will need an instructors endorsement.
Luckily, I found a basic older 172 at a smaller airport that is only $120 and $50 for dual. Can roll that savings into my instrument.
Unbelievable to me that the GI Bill would not cover a program like ATP for direct training to go be an airline pilot! I too looked at using my GI Bill for them back in 2016 but found out quickly that it wasn’t an option. I went ahead and got my business finance degree with it, but now I’m wishing I had went to some sort of aeronautical university that would have got me the hours and ratings needed. I’ve been seriously considering going to ATP, but the $80k price tag (I’m already a ppl) is pretty daunting
Yeah it was definitely a bummer. I already had a bachelors and REALLY didn’t want to spend another 2+ years in school.
Go to a 141 school, most you can use the GI bill because it’s connected to a college.
So my scenario might be different, but finding a really good Part 61 has been a life saver. I've been in the Army Reserve for 14 years, and a Chinook pilot for 6 of those years, and there's not many options for military assistance for aviation. You can use COOLs for a Part 61, or GI Bill for a part 141. Already being a commercially rated rotor pilot, part 141 just seemed like a waste of time. That said, if you find a good Part 61 school like mine, they might work with you on block rates (paying up front for a discount), and if you come in prepared, studied, and you're good on the controls, you can move very fast.
Biggest delay has been DPE's. It's a nation-wide problem right now, but my PPL checkride took 10 weeks to lock in. (Tried 3 different DPEs; 2 cancelled because they were double booked, but also weather, the Christmas holiday, and aircraft maintenance all played a part in the delay.) Making your training and checkrides happen is a lot more hands-on that ATP, but there are good ways to do it. Big thing is find a good Part 61, and develop a rapport with a DPE that won't flake out on you. Currently working on my instrument ASEL, which at this rate I'll have finished it in 4 weeks total. Price wise: PPL, Inst, Commercial, Multi, ATP-CTP, and Jet course should be just around $50k and take 9 months to finish. Hope this helps!
Lol the first time i looked at atp, it was 53k. Looked again after a decade or so...86k. Now its 109k . All i want is to get my cfi and teach. Im not looking to go the full ato route.
Hey bud! Can you help me out and point me in the right direction. What's a good online ground school and what all did you use to study for all the written exams? If you can help me out with this, I would highly appreciate it.
I did the Kings Online ground school. Also Shephard Air has study guides for all of the written exams and they are phenomenal.
Use sportys study buddy for PAR and SHEPPARD FOR CAX,IRA,FII
I’m currently a police officer and thinking about getting my commercial license
EY I skydive too and just finished my comm multi with ATP where do you jump bro?!!
A little bit of everywhere. Spaceland Houston is my home DZ.
Is this only for people that have no ratings? Do you know of anyone that joined ATP after recieveing their IFR cert?
You can have ATP do any or all ratings. I remember having a guy join or cohort to do his commercial and comm multi phases. It was definitely somewhat of a culture shock for him coming from another 61 program but he adapted and was successful!
I would still personally say that atp is one of the best options out there if finances aren’t problem.
My personal experience: I got my PPL at atp after 11 months, and then it took another 11 months to get to my instrument check ride, needless to say I double busted on it and got canned from atp. I know what ur thinking another disgruntled person that didn’t make it through the program (yes and no) I quickly moved on and got my instrument rating a month later. My main point is if your not in a financial position where you can afford to pick up and move on (I ran through 90k worth of hours since I did most of my commercial hours relocating planes with an instructor) securing another loan is very difficult for some folks with that I’d say the ratio of making it through private is 50/50 so if you go there with the mind set of this is my only option and I have to make it work, you might be leaving with a 40,000usd debt and not even a PPL (in my nearly two years at the school I’ve watched well over 50 students leave with nothing.
If I am able to afford a share of a plane would you recommend that? Edit: should’ve watched the whole video 😂
ATP charges almost 300 an hour for old six pack single engine planes. Cheaper planes other places.
The fact ATP doesn’t allow students to takeoff or land at airports that are ifr immediately discredits it as a good training facility for 121 pilots. Sorry but you should not be doing approaches to minimums for the very first time in a jet.
Anyone here know if ATP will take in pilots with commercial rating acquired elsewhere, and train them to be CFI then hire them under their program?
No
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Atp is a 141 school no?
The only thing I am worried about is 1. The Written Exams and 2. The Check rides. How prepared did you feel for these after the study materiel and flight training they gave you? Also if you are comfortable sharing, did you fail any of your check rides?
An Ex international student here from Aviator College. Believe me that Written Exams are “easy”, maybe except PPL. You will use apps to help you passing exams and please follow my suggestion: prepare yourself and invest your time just to pass the exams first. After that, when you get all your written tests, study because you want to be a good professional and a safe pilot and you will succeed in all your check rides
I did not fail any checkrides and felt more than prepared for them. The written exam prep is really all on you. They give you access to Shephard Air study guides for all of them as soon as you sign up for class, so its really about how hard you study and prepare yourself. For the knowledge portion of the checkrides you will do several ground classes for each phase, but you can also attend other ground trainings as well if you want to bulk up on it. I attended all of my ground training sessions as well as several others just to review to make myself more comfortable.
How old are you?
What was the horizontal and vertical distance of those clouds at 2:28 ? 😉 A retired ex-military or policeman changing careers has a totally different experience than a 20-something: stable, financial security, maturity, knowledge, life skills, support system, decision-making, risk management skills, study skills, health and fitness, drive and commitment, battle-tested. Addison probably isn’t the only negative outcome being experienced out there.
We were definitely on an instrument flight plan! I would NEVER violate cloud clearance requirements!! 😉
@@josh_on_the_fly “here be dragons!”
I knew it was crazy expensive, but this is the first time I realize that their CFIs are former students… so your CFI may have only been flying for 6 months? Are you kidding me.
Yup… its a little hard to swallow, but the VAST majority of CFI’s around the country have fewer than 1500 hours. At least at ATP they probably have 1000 hours in the last year so they are super current.
That's literally how 90% of every instructor is.
Right, it’s nice how the con section doesn’t mention any of the really shtty stuff they do to students. Those watching this, avoid ATP.
ATP is horrible, they treat you like a number 100% of the time, and half the instructors there think they’re in Top Gun.
Their management is cold as ice. And they act like you’re already an airline pilot, As a student, you’re treated like they employ you; no facial hair, shirt must be tucked and belt on, no jeans, or you will get pulled into an office and yelled at.
Oh and you’re paying over $120,000 to get disrespected and yelled at by the way.
You will change instructors 5-6 times and 4 of them will be terrible, they have barely any knowledge and just make you learn everything online in their webapp, and on zoom grounds. Not surprising because they don’t pay their instructors for grounds, despite charging you for them.
And the amount they do pay the instructors is so far below the average for CFI’s in any given area, we’re talking you getting charged $350 per flight hour, and they pay your instructor $18.25 per hour lmao. Each flight block is 3 hours long and you fly 5-6 times a week, let your wallet enjoy that, or better yet, let sallie Mae take care of it for you!
If you’re going to go to ATP, and you’re going to sign up for that loan, you better KNOW you want to be an airline pilot. If you don’t, you’re wasting your time and money at ATP, and even if you do KNOW, you still could have a way better experience at a way lower cost at many other flight schools.
The few bones I’ll throw ATP:
1. Maintenance is fantastic, planes were always clean and taken care of, I always felt safe in ATP planes, can’t say the same for all other flight schools in my area
2. It is quick, you will not be finishing in 7-9 months or whatever they advertise. Unless the weather never stops you, you don’t get sick, your instructor never cancels or gets sick, and your plane never gets taken, it’ll take more like a year to get all the way through, which is still fast for all the ratings needed to start instructing.
Sure if you want to spend $120,000 and be trained to minim standards.
Yup, very minimum standards.
Ether go to a 141 school or hire an independent CFI who knows what he’s talking about.
DO NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP. READ THIS FIRST. A lot of facts are not mentioned and a lot of information are not correct unfortunately. The information that ATP has brand new aircrafts is not true, the information that ATP has a fast program is absolutely not true, it only happens at one location only where weather is not an issue. In my case, we were 35 students training on 3 aircrafts, one of them was always squawked (had maintenance issues), and when weather was nice we either had two aircrafts to fly 10 students at the most that day or one aircraft was reserved for a checkride and we end up with one aircraft only. The information that you will be expelled from the program if you fail a checkride is not correct, ATP will kick you out of the program if you fail any stage check twice, and that could happen within the first 20 or 45 hours of training. The program is build around them making money out of you and they make more money out of student who are expelled from the program than student who go all the way and finish the program. Most of the instructors that were at the training center where I went got kicked out after I left and they were really good instructors. They kicked me out of the program after 45 hours, I went to a different school that has over 12 aircrafts and within 9 months I'm going though my CFI academy now and I fly in the same state I was training with ATP. Guys do your homework and find about the information I'm telling you. I don't know why this guy isn't telling the whole truth.
Well what school are you going to now? I see so many comments about how ATP is not that good, and that there are other schools out there, but nobody ever mentions the names of other schools
atp is trash pilot puppy mill , oh and if you wanna work as cfi there have fun with 18h
Thoroughly? Lol man I’m sorry, don’t go to ATP guys, every single CFI I’ve met from ATP has about the same level of knowledge as a private pilot from a quality school. If you’re going to do flight training do it right, ATP is the laughing stock of the flight training world.
It is? I know plenty of atp grads at my legacy airline. NOBODY GIVES A SHYT!
I can almost guarantee you went to riddle, mtsu, spartan, or und. Tell me I'm wrong.
@@BobbyGeneric145 honest question for you. I’m enrolled in ATP and will be starting in a couple of months. Do you recommend ATP? I just want to get the schooling done as quick as possible.
The worst CFI i ever had were from ATP.
Because those enrolled ATP don’t take the exact same checkride as you? You should really think before you troll on the internet you are embarrassing yourself 😂
What’s the point for making this video?
Man I thought that was laid out fairly well with the title and the first 10 seconds of the video, but I guess not. 🤷🏻♂️ Thanks for commenting though as the engagement drives reach and viewership!
Same reason why you clicked to watch it lol thats kind of an invalid question