Affordable (under 550€) Linux laptops! Slimbook Elemental Review
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00:00 Intro
00:53 Sponsor: Thunderbird
01:46 The Specs
03:25 Design & Build Quality
05:42 Performance & Battery Life
07:38 Ports
08:24 Display
09:20 Keyboard & Touchpad
11:14 Webcam, speakers & mic
12:19 Parting Thoughts
So, the Slimbook Elemental comes in 2 variants, a 14 inch and a 15.6 inch. Both come with either an i5 1235U or an i7 1255U. Both laptops have a 1080p display, matte with an anti glare coating, they both offer 2 non soldered DDR4 RAM slots, running at 3200Mhz, and one NVMe SSD slot, with PCIe4. They both use Intel's Xe graphics, they're both made mostly out of aluminium and they both have Wifi 6, Bluetooth 5.2, a 730P webcam, and a 49Wh battery.
Both laptops are mostly build out of aluminium: the palm rest, the sides, the bottom plate, and the lid. The screen bezels and the hinge guards a made out of plastic.
The i5 1235U is a low power CPU, made for ultrabooks, so it won't blow your socks off, but it's still pretty decent.
The i7 1255U gets 2529 in single core and 6835 in multi core, which is a bit better, but not a huge difference. Both review units I got used the i7, but looking online, the i5 1235U gets around 2150 in single core, and 6500 to 7000 in multi core. Honestly, if you're looking for an affordable device, I'd go with the i5, it's probably more than enough for most people's needs.
As per battery life, at mid brightness, running videos in a loop in Firefox over wifi, I got 6h on both, which is OK but not spectacular for a U series CPU from Intel.
The ports are a bit different on the 14 inch and the 15 inch.
They both provide a HDMI ports, and a USB C 3.2 gen 2 port that supports Display Port 1.4, and charging, plus a gigabit ethernet port, an audio jack and a micro SD card slot.
They also both have 1 USB 3.2 Gen 1 type A port, one USB 3.2 Gen 2 type A port, and the 15 inch adds a USB 2 port on top of that, and a sim card module if you want to use 4G / LTE on the laptop.
As per the display, in both cases its 1080p, at 60hz, with a matte / anti glare coating. The viewing angles are good here, and the colors are ok, but they're not the best displays you"ll ever see.
Both laptops don't have the same touchpads and keyboards. You do get a numpad on the 15 inch but not on the 14 inch. So, on the 15 inch, keys are super soft: they are nice and easy to press, and very stable, but the actual actuation feels very smooth, like the rubber membrane is thick underneath. I liked typing on it. It's backlit with RGB so you can pick the color through an app like Slimbook RGB.
On the 14 inch, the keyboard is really small, it doesn't g edge to edge, meaning that it's kinda cramped and reminiscent of netbook keyboards. It's also backlit here, but with just white as a color.
As per the touchpads, they're your usual hinge based design, they don't feel like glass touchpads, they're not ultra smooth, but they do feel precise, they have a nice click, they don't wobble or rattle. The one on the 14 inch model feels a bit more rigid, with less travel before the click, but they're about on par with a solid PC touchpad.
Now, for the webcams, they're just 720p. They're not terrible, they actually perform decently with various lighting conditions, but yeah, they're not macbook quality. On the 14 inch, you actually get a built-in webcam shutter so you can hide that if you want, and both laptops have bios switches to disable the webcam and the mic if you never use them.
The onboard mics aren't noteworthy, they're bad, like every laptop mic is, they're tinny and they don't sound good. The speakers on both laptops are OK, they have some amount of bass, they don't vibrate the chassis, and they're definitely enough to listen to music, or watch youtube, a movie or a tv show. - Наука та технологія
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Is it available for windows 11?
@@littleharry7977 the video mentions available operating systems
Can you make video on alternative of idm for linux
@@BattlePants-md7ceok thx
I have enjoyed the new version of thunderbird. Many good updates were made.
They are great options to run Fedora out of the box for those that wanted the Fedora Slimbooks but couldn't afford them! We highly recommend Slimbook's work! 💙
Its fun watching you review stuff I cant afford
It's like subs 600 dollars ......
@@Nevillethethroatgoat im poor, my daily driver is hp elitebook 2570p
@@Nevillethethroatgoat lots of people can't afford that.
@thatmoooocow still using w510s and t510s
@@jasamkrava The 2570p is a solid laptop, I had one too.
Probably it's the only review on UA-cam and, yet, congratulations for the effort and honesty!!
Considering to buy it in the future for a non-heavy use outside home : )
I enjoy the reviews of the high-end stuff, but do thank you for this. I hope Linux-native machines catch on. I keep just putting it on Thinkpads, or XPS's, both of which work great for low-ability tinkerers like me.
Nick - great video review of these notebooks. Very informative. Aside from your great content - you should know you have a growing fanbase here in Virginia (US). Keep up the great work.
Super cool timing! I was thinking about buying one 14" Model this year! Always wanted a modern but affordable Linux laptop and my Thinkpads are showing there age when it comes to battery live. Maybe with some tweaking you can get out more of it, but since I'm planning to use them for writing text/markdown I guess this will increase it a little bit. Thank you for the video!
GOD I wish laptop batteries were standardized
Modern Lenovo and affordable in the same sentence 😂🤣🤣
Excellent and honest review. Thank you
Hi Nick. Thanks for this. I would agree somewhere around 500 is a decent affordable threshold. In fact as an IT pro I've been using laptops at around this price pretty exclusively since forever. I can understand gamers spending more, but for most of us lesser mortals these look pretty decent, so when my current Arch powered Dell workhorse comes up for replacement I'll certainly take a look.
Same. A few months ago I adopted from my company a Dell Latitude 5500 with an 8th Gen Core i5 processor and 16 GB of RAM. It was destined for the scrap heap but since Linux runs great on older hardware I convinced my manager to let me have it. But I've had my eye on the Elemental as its eventual successor. It's a much better value proposition than the equivalent Tuxedo Aura which lists at $250 more.
Great compromise , thank you for the video. Awesome chanel my friend, from France.
Thank you for the hardware reviews! I'm looking for a new laptop to replace my current Asus VivoBook. I was looking at System76, but I think I will buy a Slimbook after watching this review along with other models. Excited to get a laptop designed for Linux!
Thanks! This is a really good video that I may actually be able to afford. I wondered if you'd ever managed to get your hands on the starlabs Lite 5. Find it interesting as a portable daily driver.
Merci pour cette découverte de marque à prix sympa. Je ne connaissais pour l'instant que Tuxedo et system76. A bientôt 😎
Needed this video
I like the affordable Linux laptop reviews Nick! they're hard to find since everyone is always reviewing the high-end :)
Weird design decision though to not include the webcam shutter on the bigger model where there is more space available.
Hola Slimbook, if you're watching along: Make an AMD version for some more battery life(or a bigger battery?) + iGPU gaming power and preferably add the webcam shutter on the 15 inch and you've got yourself an amazing laptop :)
I have been considering getting a new laptop for some time now. I've had the same one for some time now (6 years), and it's beginning to fall apart. And I've recently had to purchase a replacement power brick since the original one broke. The problem with the laptops I've looked at so far is that they are really expensive compare to what they contain, and don't seem very repairable, also they come bundled with Windows. This seams like a great, and affordable laptop (also the camera cover seams like a nice thing to have), so it might be a laptop I might actually buy after watching the review of. Though I might wait a few more moths before actually getting a new one.
Oh look the second time you're reviewing my laptop, this is after I bought it (the other one was before I bought it)
Not bad specs for the price at all. The rgb backlit option is really great for some people.
If this is available in India for comparable price, I'll definitely get these instead of others.
This one I think about. The 14 inch with i7. Do you think it is ok to cut videos? What is the weight of it? Ok, online I read USB C chargeable, so for travel ok, just forget about the barrel charger and it shouldn't make problems I guess. Would you recommend it for travel and video cut? What distro would you pack on it?
Damnnnnnnit, bought an hp and immediately put zorin on it a few months ago, would have much rather waited and got this 14 inch for the same price, great to see this type of laptop for linux though, hope we get more!
Seems the shop has 2 countries, Spain or US. If I select the US, is it just the language that change or does my laptop get shipped from the US? If I want it from an EU shop to avoid import fees and taxes, do I have to buy from the Spanish version or is it just the language that change and all their gear ships from Spain?
This is as of right now the best review on Elemental.
The new Lenovo p1 is one of the new range of laptops which the new CAM format RAM Memory. The ThinkPads series generally supports linux but this change from micro and Samsung may effect the performance of unix Linux in a positive or negative way ?
Nick, your videos are always so interesting, thank you! Do you plan to make any videos about Linux basics - e.g. what it is, pros and cons, and how to get started? I would like to be able to explain those things to my friends and family, but you do it so much better.
I might!
There's this old dude with the rectangle glasses with a channel where he talks a lot about Linux for everyday people, focuses on Mint a lot, I reeeeeally wish I remembered the name of the channel rn
@@colbyboucher6391 Thinking of Christopher Barnett at *@ExplainingComputers* ? I only found out about him recently through a podcast, apparently his videos are quite layman-friendly and he himself uses Mint as a daily driver! 🪴
How's the keyboard? I'm almost convinced. Add AMD Ryzen and non-backlit keyboards and it's perfect.
Would be interesting to see how the webcam performs in a park with a mixture of bright light and shadows mixed with each other. Do you see anything at all because the shadows are super dark and the highlights are blow out? Does it adjust on the (very bright) background or does it adjust on the body?
These look like a great option. I'm going to look into them more.
Looks like the same model System76 sells, I'm assuming if you order from USA the is around the same price after ordering from UK when compared to System76 which is based in the US?
My daily driver is a high end thinkpad x1 yoga from 2017
It cost me £170 refurbed last year.
I'm almost sad my comment didn't make the intro hahaha. How well does the gpu compare to the steam deck's gpu or an older destop gpu? Are there any good amd options in that price range?
Nice review, are you going to review new Tuxedo Pulse 14?
So....where is the link to this so I can look at their laptops??
I could have bought a laptop for 550€ for school, but my Steam Deck + dock + portable keyboard ended up cheaper than that and I can even play all of my Steam games on reasonable settings.
Nothing beats the Steam Deck on price to performance. It's brutal.
Edit: it's semi-practical as it takes a few seconds to set up and also a few more to put it back in my bag, but I personally don't mind it. Also it looks badass!
Cool. Did you know that some chinese manufacturer used to release laptop+dock, basically a portable display and keyboard built in a laptop shell? Oh and it comes with batteries too. Using 'lapdock' with a steam deck is a good idea imo
I don't think both devices are for the same purpose. The Steam deck is for gaming mostly they can even go to desktop mode and do many things. That laptop in the video can be good for other things like coding which the Steam deck is not.
@@rogercoello6801 I do code on it too and I like it. I have good eyesight, so for me the small screen ist not an issue. Also since I learned to write cleaner code, I don't need that much screen real-estate anyways.
But yeah, I sure see where this might be a big issue for a lot of people, so I disagree on the inability to code, but I offer to agree that for most people it is highly impractical nonetheless.
@@rogercoello6801 Now that the Steam Deck natively supports using nix packages it's actually really really good for coding and development. I mean, you aren't going to be building AI or Games, but building a website, or a command line app works really well.
I've got my Steam Deck running, VS Code and Jetbrains Goland. I have no problem editing Javascript or Go projects at all (as long as I have a real keyboard that is).
Interesting review, I would've like to take a look at the internals, cooling design, screen brightness numbers (because a screen below 350nits is so bad in well lit environments or next to windows) and the hinge system, because that chasis resembles vaguely to a lenovo chasis that had hinge problems, nonetheless judging by the price, and upgrade path is very good for it's purpose tasks and users.
On a side note, I fully and totally agree with the 1440p screen debacle, for a 14 inch display is pointless, specially for the internals and cooling it must have.
I preffer a 1080p with 350 + nits screen (400 nits would be awesome but pricier) and well built laptop than a low brightness 1440p or 1440p that will go to waste for the form factor design and internals that struggle to run the stuff.
Say I wanna press the volume keys on the function row, are they direct press keys or Fn + Key ?
That's something that I miss from my old HP laptop and loathe about my current Asus.
If they were 16:10 instead of 16:9 I'd consider selling my current laptop to get a replacement. Cheap, decent for work and nothing else. Backlit keys and so on.
Everything I need and nothing I don't.
I'd love to get a framework because I like what they represent and they fit my needs so well, but my budget says Slimbook
Normally you can change the behaviour of the function keys in the bios.
What about portable computers with large displays? I can't seem to find anything larger than 17 inch
The power button makes sense especially when used in clamshell mode
I would love to see you review a Framework laptop, especially if it's the 16 inch offer, since it's one of these rare beasts that are AMD based both for the CPU and for the GPU - which is something the world of linux yerns for
Which laptop are you using now, the Slimbook 16 Executive?
Hey! I was wondering if you could make another video on linux on M1 as asahi is already out of beta! As an m1 macbook owner I'd love to see how it works but I simply can't compromise my only current work machine. Many thanks and greetings from Spain :)
A $550 8gb ram 256gb ssd 1080p i5 12th gen Intel cpu laptop is expensive.
I would find a windows laptop with the same cpu (i.e. was released a year ago, so there's a big chance that Linux has the drivers for the track pad and wifi controller...) and it's usually cheaper.
Thunderbird is GO !🚀
Although it's not new I got the cheapest laptop it was free when I finish a course I was on. But I definitely need a new one tho. 😀
The page up/down buttons directly next to the left/right arrow keys are a deal breaker on the 14". Apart from that, they look pretty good for the price
Would love to see emulation tested too for gaming on Linux in these tests.
A few things I felt were missing: As said gaming is not the target for these models, why then not focus on media consumption instead during the review, i.e testing watching videos in the most popular codecs, different resolutions, CPU usage during media play? Also, there wasn't any mention of the BIOS, e.g. it would be cool if it supported coreboot. They also seem pretty good for upgradeability (e.g. non-soldered RAM) but how about repairability? Can the owner easily replace components; how easy is to get parts for it? Thanks for the review, there's not enough coverage of these alternatives.
Thanks for all the detailed information on the Slimbook Elemental laptops. That's just the kind of information I wanted to know.
For my pocket affording a 550€ laptop is much easier than to afford one that is double or three times the price.
That said, I could see myself using the 14" model, specs seem fine and since these receive newer revisions too, I might keep an eye on it.
How many nits is the display? It looks super dim. If it's 300nits or less and it struggles to give you like 4-5 hours of battery life at mid brightness when watching videos, that means they really skimped on the battery size in addition to the display. I know it's been a hard, long road, but I really am rooting for Linux to work on its battery efficiency for laptops.
I wish Slimbook can ship their products to Indonesia and be cheaper than other competitors in Indonesia. And I wish to get consumer services too from Slimbook in Indonesia
Why you didn’t make us hear the mic quality?
If desktop and softwares can adopt Risc-V, I definitely switch to Linux laptops. Also, why don't you make a video on Risc-V?
Because I don’t have any hardware to look at
RISC-V as a very little chance of becoming a mainstream CPU ISA... And it's large chunk of work to port software and OS to another ISA... All eyes are towards ARM but x86(Intel & AMD CPUs use the x86 ISA) won't disappear anytime soon...
@@YannBOYERDev big tech giants are already investing into it. Maybe it will become mainstream one day.
RISC-V is certainly on the FOSS camp, but currently it's still very early stage, it's only suitable for news, not reviews.
honestly not too bad, I'd go for it even today but I don't want one with Intel cpu and its weird uhd garbage xd I will w8 for one with AMD and I'm buying it!
The Lenovo laptop with Ryzen 7320U I got is originally 4000 DKK (about 537 euros) with 25 % VAT which got discounted during black week to 2222 DKK. Such discounts will be hard to find for Linux laptops (if one wouldn’t call Chrome OS for Linux, lol).
Though that laptop does seem better than the Lenovo one I got without the huge discount.
As I can understand why Framework started with Intel, it is because they are easier to work with as a startup.
It is a shame AMD isn’t easier to work with so more Linux hardware startsups can more easily also use AMD instead of Intel being the only viable option.
Though with the latest Intel mobile CPUs it is getting on par with the current AMD lineup.
If Framework got a great 2nd hand market that could potentially be a great cheaper option for people who dare to buy used hardware and dont mind tinker at bit with the hardware.
Cette vidéo vient trop tard, j'ai déjà pris mon Lenovo (très satisfait de mon achat d'ailleurs).
Mais il est vrai que, avant l'achat, je cherchais des recommandations de portables, et je ne tombais que sur des machines à des prix démentiels. C'est là où l'on voit la limite des chaines parlant matériels.
If they offer similar equipment at the end of the year, I will probably decide to buy it. There is no longer any point in buying another battery for my laptop.
Nice to see very affordable laptops for EU. Sadly shipping charges are bonkers for India on both slimbook or Novo custom or tuxedo pulse
Since Asahi released its first stable version, maybe review it again due to prices of used m1 mac airs being pretty alright?
Stuck Ubuntu on two 2012 MacBook airs.
Cost me nothing and perfect for two of my kids school work.
Based on price and the specs Very good choice!
no doubt. even if you just want a cheap machine to mess around with linux a bit it's still a good deal.
Thanks! Are they strong enough for gamedeveloping with Godot?
Godot is pretty lightweight so I think yea
@@littleharry7977 THX
@@Freiheit-XXLur welcome!
Thunderbird is cool.
Waiting for ARM linux books
Lenovo makes a lot of affordable laptops that will function well with Linux and they ship world wide. I've been using their laptops for decades! Most of their laptops are Linux ready out of the box, but check their hardware for compatibility.
Lenovo laptops are not "affordable" laptops, and never really have been. Even their Linux compatibility has gone downhill since... The only good thing about thinkpads is that you can buy some cheap old, secondhand ones for a good price, but those ones are also really out of date and not great usage for modern times.
@@jupiterapollo4985 Incorrect. You need to look again. Got all the kids laptops for under $500 from Lenovo.
Indeed, a good portion of Lenovo's Thinkpad lineup have the Ubuntu certification and are also in the LVFS.
I actually just asked Nick on Mastodon about the possibility of getting a Lenovo unit for review, but unfortunately he said Lenovo hasn't responded the last time he tried contacting them. I wonder why... 😐
Is a Good initiative to show sub 600 notebooks, but you need to show the internals of the machine, is here the consumers spot bad engineering and see the possibility of maintenance (change the thermal paste, if the data bay is easy to access, etc)
Decent specs for the price - thanks for highlighting 👍
I wanna see someone put Linux on one of these new dual screen laptops. 🤔😉
but I like to see more laptops in this price area - now bring these to retail stores, pretty sure many normal consumers just need a computer for browsing
is there a ansi layout version? all the linux laptops I've seen are ISO
nvm, is ISO only
@@potatoes5829 no, they have 14-inch ISO but 15.6-inch have ISO and ANSI
$A840 is not bad, but shipping to the arse end of the world is never cheap. Still hard to beat the old Lenovo laptop. The $A100 laptop i installed lubuntu on is still the best linux experience i ever had.
I just Australia was big enough to have a linyx integrator.
Hi Nick, what's that music app you showed when testing the speakers? Merci, bien à vous.
But where is the fydetab duo??????
to the mad lad thats already added sponsorblock to this video, thank you! legend
God bless you.
1440p is great on 15-16'' laptops.
Thanks to modern linux kernels, you actually don't need some specific "linux compatible" laptop. Almost any will work, with the exception of some exotic webcams or fingerprint scanners
These are damn solid machines!
Except for gaming, this should be more than enough for most of the casual users.
No need to spend more money except for unnecessary style or power.
Cool
Still waiting for TUXEDO Sirius 16 (the AMD+AMD laptop) review
And I'm waiting for its arrival (version with 32GB of RAM). I ordered it on January 8th, so exactly in the day when components should be available. 3 weeks have passed (2 work weeks) and I'm still waiting. The status has stuck on "installing". Judging from the time it takes (over a week), it's more about installing components, not the software. I just sent them a message to let me know what is the delay and what is their estimate till it's ready for shipping. I'm OK with waiting a bit more, but need to be kept in a loop. It's not OK, to have delays and keep customers in the dark.
I'm replacing my old Alienware R17, which is already 9-10 years old. I already exchanged the battery twice, exchanged the keyboard and power brick. If those break again, I'm not sure if I can find parts. Besides, had to play BG3 with the lowest res and 10-20FPS... I finished the game that way, and it was great, because the story matters there more than graphics, but still, this was a bit a stretch. Time to upgrade, hopefully for the next 10 years.
Originally I was planning to buy something with Nvidia, but I started investigating and both Slimbook and Tuxedos computers had issues. Wayland doesn't work on newer cards properly, suspension is hit-and-miss, etc. I realized, that to have a full normal experience, I need full AMD laptop and there it was.
My 13 year old laptop(i5 4400u) can handle A titles really well why these new laptops can't handle such simple tast it feels like they are treble
550 euros is still almost twice my monthly income, so not really affordable. But my trusty dualchip laptop from 2012 is still going strong with LinuxLite.
it's kinda interesting, recently I saw a gaming laptop with Linux preinstalled, funnily I copped the same one for 50% of this price without Linux (spoilers: mine is Windows compatible)
now I'm building a gaming computer to run Linux on it
p.s. I don't play any games anyway 😂
I didn't actually expect the laptop to be that good for the price, except the CPU should've been i7 1355u and i5 1335u. Kinda puts me off immediately for getting a 2 year old CPU for 700 euros or 630(I only care about 15 inches).
I think if you want a Linux laptop for less than these the best choice is an old Thinkpad. In University a lot of us had them, reliable, cheap new battery and they were fast enough (I was an outlier with a Hp Elitebook).
I wish more laptops could charge with USB C ;-; I dont wanna carry another charger around just for the laptop when my phone and other stuff use USB C
When will we get notebooks with AMD?
Go look at a Lenovo, the data sheets on their website will list Linux compatibility. I recently bought a Lenovo V14 Gen3 with an AMD Ryzen 5 5625U(6 cores/12 threads), and after upgrading the ram myself to 24GB(8GB soldered/16GB DIMM), it's running Manjaro Gnome just fine, and it cost me well under $400 USD.
Intel iGPUs are generally weaker than AMDs iGPUs, right?
The problem with using the term "adorable hardware" in the Linux community is that you'll always find a group of Linux users that have a lower bar than the last for what they would consider "affordable", it ranges from something tame like this actually affordable 550 range, to literally getting their laptop out of the garage lmao
Seems the display's not IPS... So the part which is watched the majority of time...
Considering what another manufacturer like Starlabs are putting into their more affordable Linux laptops and Intel i5/i7 12th gen CPU is pretty great.
Looks like Schenker
It's almost never worth buying a new machine, unless you have some specific reason. 200-300 euro Thinkpad beats all such devices easily. Nonetheless, I am surprised by their quality and features for this price range, definitely more worthwhile than what other manufacturers can provide. If only they had bigger batteries...
Cool product, but I'm disappointed in the lack of coreboot. I would rather buy a used hp/dell laptop with ubuntu certification.
I wish I had seen this earlier. I bought the Aura Gen 3 from Tuxedo a few weeks ago for 850€...
Chromebook only 😛
I always prefer used, you can find unbeatable deals if you know what you're looking for, but when Linux support is involved, yeah there's not really a second-hand market for Linux laptops.
So, these look very solid for the price for Linux native machines and a great alternative to used if it's required!
I'll never buy a Slimbook anymore. Mine (bought 3 years ago) started giving me troubles after a few months with the main fan rattling. A few weeksafter that, artefacts (groups of single-colour squares randomly spread) started to appear on the screen, probably denoting a problem with the video RAM or video card itself. At another day, the computer completely froze and even the power button was ineffective (pressing it for more than 10 seconds did absolutely nothing). I've had to open the case, voiding the warranty and unplug the battery connector... while the computer was still running!
Needless to say I'm pretty much disappointed with Slimbook. That's why I'll never buy them anymore. Ever. I've tried to contact Nick a few months ago but he didn't respond.
Love your content however the ads are ridiculously long... Why not keep them short and sweet
You've convinced me these are decent laptops to use, but when I check on their site, the price is 600€ (i5) and 700€ (i7) for the 15.8", and one € less for the 14". Still _very_ cheap for this category, though not 550.
They must have been running a promotion when I made the video
@@TheLinuxEXP I see. It remains very interesting anyway.
I recently installed manjaro to test linux. Every thing except my iGPU decoders and battery works. For some reason, manjaro refuses to properly use my iGPU and battery life is well, HORRIBLE!
WHY?
linux is supposed to be light weight. Indeed I get better performence but battery life is bad.
I wish the devs focus more on laptops than desktops.
If you have suggestions for a better battery life distro, drop down a comment. It absolutely must use kde.