Really sad to see those with NVIDIA GPUs instead of AMD or anything else. NVIDIA GPUs and their closed source drivers are just a disrespect to consumers and I really can't support that. Good review either way, it's nice to see more out-of-the-box linux computers around!
To be fair, this year it doesn't seem like AMD Radeon GPUs have what it takes to compete with Nvidia at the top end. With Radeon RX 6000 & RTX 3000, the top end of each were both great (and I have an AMD Advantage laptop so I can attest to that), but not this year. I absolutely agree with Nvidia's 💩 proprietary drivers. Let's hope they keep open-sourcing their GPU drivers...
My thoughts exactly! Though, to be fair, I think it's an AMD supply issue. I mean, they're rarely seen worldwide. And I don't think it's because of lack of cooperation from laptop manufacturers. Hopefully the 7000 series will be much better at this, they need to, if they actually want market share.
That is a solid laptop. Between Tuxedo, Slimbook and System76 we have a nice selection of Linux machines out there these days. Of course we can't count out Valve with the Steam Deck either. Now if only we could buy these machines at the local electronics store. That way we might actually get some big adoption going.
The problem is it took WAY too long for current CPUs & GPUs to reach Linux laptops. I mean, I still can't find Intel 13th gen CPUs in any Linux pre-installed laptop!
I really want something like the Razer Blade 14 but with Linux. I don't like numpads on my keyboard but I do want a discrete GPU. This basically rules out Linux-first OEMs.
Would love to see you look at one of the current Thinkpad workstations (P series), some of which now come with the option of Linux pre-installed, in comparison with these Clevo-chassis-based heavy-duty laptops from Tuxedo, etc....
Lenovo would have to send him a review unit, which is less likely, I think. Smaller, specialized companies like Tuxedo are happy with channels like this, because it's the intended target audience and subscriber base is big for them. For Lenovo, not so much, but I may be mistaken.
@@michadybczak4862 I think Lenovo would be wise to try reaching Linux users on personal laptop markets though - ThinkPad's already work great with Linux and many love them for... not being crap. Sending some laptops to some top Linux UA-cam channels would be nothing to them, bigger investment would be to marketing them - and making it easier for end users to buy them. Just as a sidenote, I have an old 486 IBM ThinkPad I want to restore it to it's "original condition". Quotes, because I'm simply talking about OS it came with, and not the one that specific unit came with - it was available with Windows _or_ OS/2 and it gives me an excuse to have at least one working PC with OS/2, which I haven't had since '97. It's the famous "butterfly keyboard" ThinkPad, really cool.
For what it offers its still very expensive, also considering it has so much competition for lower prices, but yeah in case you want to help a company supporting linux and u got the money why not!
@@mrcvry macbook are a real competitor to this in terms of price, in terms of quality I personally think they exceed this by a margin in most tasks except gamming.
@@rey6253 True, and I have a few. The new M CPUs are great, but I need a fast Linux machine now. The fact that you can't boot Linux with the M machines anymore, and also Apple's new direction to monetize user data too, made me decide against a new Macbook.
This looks like the XMG Neo 17 (XMG I think partially owns an investment in Tuxedo) and the Eluktronics Mech-17, all of which use a Tongfang chassis. Just a heads up.
Nice review! I am actually considering buying a Tuxedo. I do live in Europe. I'm currently rocking a 6 and a half year old Asus V752VM. Also 17.3", weights something like 4 kg, and the power brick another 1 kg. Seeing this as below 3kg is like "this is so easy now". And yes, I do use it as a desktop replacement. Before the pandemic I carried it daily to work, because I work on it, and at home I also game on it. It has a DVD drive, it has an USB type C port, DP port, HDMI port, I can literally do everything on it, as I wanted. I put 64 GB on it, because I like tabs and when I work I do have a lot of things opened. I also LOVE RamDisks, so much performance in some situations. Now, since my current laptop is starting to show its age, I do want a replacement for it, but with the same idea - powerful (though it doesn't have to be insane/maxed, especially on the GPU), able to do everything (though I can drop the DVD requirement now, I rarely use it anymore and I think I'll simply get a external USB one at one point). I do wish to eventually get to 128 GB of RAM, and preferably at something like 6000 MT/s. Which currently is not possible and I don't even know if 13th gen Intel or Ryzen 7000 series will be able to do. I might have to settle to 64 GB at 5600 to 6000 MT/s or 128 GB at 4800 or even 4400 MT/s. Or wait another full year (like Q2-Q3 2024). Sigh. I'd also like a model with an AMD GPU. Even if NVidia gets better support on Linux, for ethical reasons it's still a no-no for me. Other than that, I can't wait for the next Stellaris and Gemini models! They're the closest to what I want. I like the care for repairing too. To be frank, my first option, if it would be one, would've been Framework, but a) the only ship in UK and b) they have only one model right now which is VERY FAR to what I want/need. P.S.: the performance between 1080p SotTB and 2540x1600 is quite weird. It should be bigger. Something's off. Still, 100 FPS is still very good for that game. Oh, and I second that only one USB type C is too few for today. The ports in general, were at the bare minimum for a 17". They could add a couple more. And Thunderbolt or USB4 would be good to have too.
I love their products. I have my MacBook pro 2015 alive, but I will need to switch after a while. I hole Tuxedo will have an OLED option soon. Just don't want to downgrade my experience.
I hope to see OLED screen options in Linux laptop world and PCIe 7 SD card reader. But how do the Tuxedo screens compare to Lenovo 1600p 500nit screens in Legion 5 pro g7, Legion Slim 7 g7, T14 g3? The Asus G14 for sure has better screen.
Great laptop. Now try do to one to compete in the low end market with the big OEMs,because by hitting the broader market of people who want a just works system for basic use and are tired of all the Windows problems,the Linux kernel can finally become popular enough to be a viable option.
Why "Linux laptop" companies don't do anything with recent AMD dGPU (RDNA2 or even 1)? I know that NVIDIA GPUs are generally dominant in the market, not without a reason, but it's also known that this doesn't necessarily go well together with Linux due to lackluster drivers. It's like they are missing their target audience.
For a while, I am looking for a laptop where I'd install Linux on. 2022 models it boils down to ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14, Legion Lenovo 7 Gen 7 and HP OMEN 16. However, the OMEN has mixed reviews (there are better choices for the price), Legion 7 has availability problems (and is not released in my country at all, despite neighbor countries do have them) and the G14 is small factor (y no network port?!). Sure, choice is a little bigger with older models - though no DDR5, maybe no MUX switch, and generally older hardware. All things considered, there's barely any choice. Missed opportunity by Tuxedo, Slimbook, System76 and alike I say.
Yes, I need a workstation laptop with good CPU and a decent GPU, I don't need beefy GPU for laptop, I hope I could find good AMD workstation laptops in future
@@cameronbosch1213 Good for you. Gen 8 is around the corner, so they might as well skip Gen 7 altogether, though Intel variant did show up few days ago.
Hopefully the stellaris 17 or 18 Gen 5 comes with a 7945hx and 7845hx options, More USBC ports that are USBC4, Both Nvidia and AMD options. (Since Linux could use some more 6800m's or 7800/7900m's ) and a Mini LED or OLED 1600p 240hz panel and maybe they'll also do a GAN 300w power brick. May just be 7945hx or Intel and the 4090 and down though
The price and... specs are a problem. Tuxedo had some cheaper, older model that was below 2000 EUR and I could max it and still have it below 2000 EUR. Now it's gone, and we have this Stelaris model, which is... too powerful and too expensive. I would be happy with 1080p and a bit older GPU. Now, we simply have no reasonable options. Either this super expensive one, or some way weaker ones. On one side, it's great that there is a model with best specs one can get, but why the cheaper one was gone when this one showed up? I currently have an old Alienware R17 and hoped to buy the 17-inch model under 2000 EUR once my current laptop will reach its end of life (still holding up, although after 2 battery replacements and one keyboard replacement). Now I have nothing to look for, because this Stellaris 17 Gen 4 is just too pricey for me and the previous model was pulled out.1500-2000 EUR is the sweet spot for me, but needs to have 17 inch display, good GPU, but not the newest one, and the screen 1080p is more than enough. I just don't see the lure of higher resolutions: they drain battery quicker, are more expensive, require stronger GPUs and CPUs, need scaling which is oftentimes problematic and offer ZERO perks. I had a laptop at work with 4K, 14-inch screen (ThinkPad) and wasn't too impressed. I quickly set 1080, because scaling, even on Windows was a nightmare and saw no real quality gain.
It's not that people don't like keypads, they just don't like _those_ keypads that are smaller than standard, spaced narrowly and are hopelessly useless.
This company literally makes my dream leptops imagine a leptop with both windows and fedora, perfection. it's really unfortunate that they don't ship to Turkey, I do have some relatives who live in Germany but yeah.
I experienced the joys of slipping water over a laptop two months ago when that happened to me at work with my ThinkPad X240. I know, Nick, you suggest to buy native Linux laptops but picking up a replacement X260 was super cheap and I can keep using all my accessories. Still, that big chonker you show here looks cool... except for nVidia Graphics.
Does the nvidia gpu limit you to only using X11 on a tuxedo machine? I don't use Wayland on my nvidia machines, because multimonitor just does not work.
This looks great for high end gamers. For VFX (which is what I would most likely to use something like this for), colour fidelity of the monitor is paramount. 99% sRGB isn't great. Would expect p3 or at least full Adobe sRGB for something with these kind of specs.
Pure distilled water actually does not conduct electricity - but that's complicated and a bit more maintenance than most people would entertain. I have seen 3.3 kV systems that used water cooled busbars.
Re: Thunderbolt - its a shame that this laptop doesn't have a USB-4 port. Granted - not many Zen 3+ devices do (I think there's one Asus laptop and a few small mini and desktop OEMs), and even the new Zen 4 devices (that are still few and far beween) don't all have USB-4 ports, but the platform is capable and the drivers are there, but you can't use these without a certified USB-4 port, which this laptop doesn't have. Now about Thunderbolt: there's a lot of confusion there, but as far as I understand, a USB-4 port will connect and feed basically any Thunderbolt 3 device. Thunderbolt 4 devices are a bit more picky, but if your USB-4 is 40GBps and you use certificate Thunderbolt 4 cables - it should also work. The USB-4 port is basically Thunderbolt except that Intel (after releasing donating the Thunderbolt 3 spec to USB-IF) released Thunderbolt 4 as a set of required specifications that exceed the minimum USB-4 requirements, but if your device has USB 40GBps and just doesn't have a Thunderbolt icon because certification is expensive - it should work with all devices.
An excellent review, but... will they launch any models with the new AMD 7040 series? I'm looking to replace my laptop with a AMD 7040 series CPU laptop and I would love to have a Linux compatible one. I'm hoping to do this in the next 1-2 months, as soon as these CPUs will be launched.
Not the best comparison, but at a much lower price point, I could buy an M1 macbook and run Asahi on it...which I think I would rather do. I'm definitely not the target audience, however, as I have many older devices I still use on the regular, including a laptop from 2008, and can't see myself ever paying anywhere near this for a device...
they have laptops for cheaper than the M1 (not sure where they lie on performance but they definitely have more compatibility), this laptop would be more reasonably compared the the M2 max, which while drawing significantly less power would not beat the performance of this machine nor even be capable of the primary function of this laptop... gaming
Hopefully you’ll get your hands on the new Pangolin at some point. I gotta know more about that display and build quality, I’m a fan of the specs at least.
Id love one, but Im over here in Australia & the idea of sending it back in case of warranty Im not so sure. I also enquired about the brick power supply for a previous model & they were not about to confirm the brick would handle 240v 50hz we use here. So for the price & uncertainty, Im holding off. Having said that there doesnt seem to be anyone here in Australia that does Linux laptops & they certainly dont stock these units
@ Yeah, thats whats holding them off for being a real option for me, most likely will end up with a laptop from System76 or maybe even just a Windows laptop with linux on it
Рік тому
@@SimisearOfficial I think System 76 also uses Clevo cases but not sure.
There's no option for ANSI? BTW, what's the difference between US ISO and US ANSI?
Рік тому
@@cameronbosch1213 US-ISO uses the uses keylayout for 95% of the keys but on an ISO physical keyboard layout. Imagine it like buying a Nordic or German keyboard and changing the keycaps.
Clevo chassis? Looks like it has the same unique design features as clevo's PD series but I cannot find an AMD version on their website (which has always been bad). Clevo are the main OEM for most "custom" laptop companies. EDIT: Seems to be a Clevo PC70HS.
Seems a good machine. But I stopped using anything less than 4K many years ago. It would be a downgrade for me. I wonder if this would be noticeable on that screen.
Just ran GB6 on my old 2021 M1 Pro... and I've still got an advantage with about 2230/11600 on single/multi. And that's not even trying (I left about 20 browser windows, multiple IDEs, Slack, etc. all open and didn't bother to do anything beforehand). I don't have an M2 Pro/Max to test, but my M2 iPad Pro got even higher (over 2450) on single core, and still managed to hit about 9000 on multicore. AMD's got to step up their game on high performance portables. 😏
It's a nice machine, but the price ain't. It's an impossible price to pay and absolutely not worth it, much like you hinted with a lower desktop. The keyboard loudness and lack of keyboard light are both instant deal-breakers either way. The single USB Type C can barely be forgiven cuz it's a 10Gb (1.2GB/s) one, for which you can buy an externally powered hub (technically a docking station, it seems).
Hi Nick. I understand that this laptop seems solid, but as you've been using Tuxedo and Slimbook laptops for a while, which brand would you recommend as strength and durability are concerned? How do the hinges (for example) age? Thanks!
They both use the same base chassis, so they age in the same way! The oldest laptop I have is a Slimbook Pro X 14 from 2 years ago, and I have 0 issues with it, the hinge is still super solid, it only has one minor scratch on the lid (I lugged it around every day for a full year in a bag with cables), and no hardware problems at all!
Hmmm for some reason I dont believe in the use case for these types of devices anymore especially for work and with the cost. I like to carry something slim around and if I have a high performance task you simply RDP onto a high performance computer in a data centre or at home run the task then go back to normal.
I think he's comparing it to MacBook Pros from late 2012 - 2020, which literally had batteries glued to the chassis. They've reversed that, but at the cost of soldering everything else.
I don’t like the nvidia gpu but I also understand why they used one instead. I much prefer the plug and play friendly aspect of amd, the open source nature of it and the significantly better price to performance ratio. However one negative of amd gpu’s is that, unlike their cpus, they tend guzzle power especially compared to their nvidia equivalents. For desktop gpu’s it’s not that big a deal but for laptops with their limited power budget that’s really critical, especially when go for anything high mid range or above. Because of that I only recommend amd integrated gpu’s on laptops and you kinda are forced into nvidia if you want a high end dedicated gpu. Amd is just too power hungry to compete on performance or battery life.
On a 17 inch laptop, I disagree; many Windows OEMs have done that, but only Razer has been able to actually have good speakers on their Blade 17/18 from 2022 on.
I didn't see you review the bios selection. Does the stellaris sleep function work with the modified bios from Tuxedo computers? Does the wifi/bluetooth shutoff and also the selection of fan speed curves works well in bios/uefi?
@David there is and it's called RISC cpu group but in order to boot the system every modern systems uses standartized instructions (of course every manufacturer has it's differences) and the point of a standart, a protocol is make things easier to work. Intel manufacturers uses their assembly not any third party OS and then if you know how to process assembly you can make your own OS etc. like windows, linux or mac. of course you cannot gain full control of newly released intel specific cpu (if manufacturer wants only closed source) and there is a compatibility issues as well this is why there are recommended linux hardwares to use..
@David oh, plus the topic is bios programming which is related to motherboards and that is something a small firm can handle on its own even make their own cards..
1. Why nvidia? 2. No manufacturer gives physical hardware kill switches these days & this one tows the line. 3. Cost is exorbitant - abt 240,000 Indian rupees which is about 6 times my hp 15. I got that with win 10 & installed Linux. 4. After Ubuntu phone, I'm always suspicious of Linux devices. 5. No idea on after sales service. 6. Hardware eg keyboard, camera, speaker etc appear average. It's a rich man's luxury. I like your clear review on pros and cons. Keep it up. Best wishes.
1. Apparently Linux OEMs can't get Radeon laptop GPUs easily. I do think it's vital they do though. 2. Lenovo and Framework do. (Both for the webcam, and Lenovo's cuts power to it, but that's still better than many other brands.) 3. Yes, but that's what you get for powerful hardware. 4. So you trust big tech companies like Apple & Google over FOSS companies? Give me a break... 5. Idk either, but System76 is quite good in that regard. 6. I agree, it may be hard to get OEM discounts for the good stuff, which probably means it takes longer to come to Linux OEMs. I do personally use a Windows laptop with Linux on a second SSD, but I think for me that it's the best option.
Does it run windows? 🤣 Look's gorgeous as always with the stuff that seems to come from Tuxedo. The specs sound totally insane! The water cooling seems a little weird (and scary as hell lol) though although I guess using quick connects would make it even more expensive...
380 Nits for display brightness is a total dealbreaker. Anyone looking for the kind of performance wouldn't compromise on such a *literally* lack-luster display. Overpriced in my opinion. I'd wait for Clevo to update their chassis/display combos before spending that much.
This looks much better than previous options for Linux laptops. I get that aesthetics, in most cases, are counter to production, and Linux is all about production, but some of these Linux specific laptops are mingers and just look terrible. I went with a Dell XPS since its Linux certified. They are making big strides on these things though, glad to see the track pad is getting some attention. No one wants a 2000's trackpad on a 2023 laptop like most have.
The new Stellaris with Intel 13th gen does have Thunderbolt 4 with a direct dGPU connection on it and the HDMI port, but the laptop still only has one and still no USB-C charging for quick trips to the local coffee shop! 😬
while a laptop is kinda okay... mechanical keyboard on it is quite interesting... also - screw other people around xD hmmmmmm... now I'm a bit wavering in aiming for desktops only
Nothing in the specs matters, if you have this unusable keyboard. How this layout could be for productivity? They simply should stop using those strangely positioned arrows on the keyboard.
Soo... It's like legion 5 pro, but costs a thousand more and has linux preinstalled. I mean.... 1000 euro isn't worth saving a few hours fixing potential problems when installing linux on a regular laptop.
I have a Legion 7 2022, the AMD Advantage model, which cost me 1,830 USD and 20 USD to replace the stock MediaTek Wi-Fi card with an Intel AX 210. And out of the box, the Fn+Q performance mode switching shortcuts still work in Linux, as it seems to be on a firmware level. Likewise, the 6 presets of RGB set in Legion Spectrum on Windows also seems to be saved in firmware when swapped with Fn+Space. I even can run Wayland so smoothly because AMD CPU + AMD Radeon GPU; no Nvidia 💩 here! I mean, 1,830 for a Ryzen 6800H & Radeon RX 6700M is a steal, especially since there are two SSD slots (I added an 8 TB SSD in the spare slot), two RAM slots (which I have upgraded to 64 GB, the maximum supported RAM), and a huge battery which got me 8 hours in Windows with the screen at 60 hz. I love it.
Oh, and it seems to have a better time in Linux than Windows 11, because I keep getting random hardware restarts (not BSODs) in Windows 11, but not Linux.
Head to squarespace.com/thelinuxexperiment to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code thelinuxexperiment
ua-cam.com/video/PK3fdDtSwjM/v-deo.html you say "if you switch to use INTEL only" i think its AMD there :D
Really sad to see those with NVIDIA GPUs instead of AMD or anything else. NVIDIA GPUs and their closed source drivers are just a disrespect to consumers and I really can't support that. Good review either way, it's nice to see more out-of-the-box linux computers around!
To be fair, this year it doesn't seem like AMD Radeon GPUs have what it takes to compete with Nvidia at the top end. With Radeon RX 6000 & RTX 3000, the top end of each were both great (and I have an AMD Advantage laptop so I can attest to that), but not this year.
I absolutely agree with Nvidia's 💩 proprietary drivers. Let's hope they keep open-sourcing their GPU drivers...
I have both AMD and Nvidia GPUs , and never had a problem with Nvidia.
I lost all hope in nvidia and their Linux drivers. Good to see people who still haven't.
My thoughts exactly! Though, to be fair, I think it's an AMD supply issue. I mean, they're rarely seen worldwide. And I don't think it's because of lack of cooperation from laptop manufacturers. Hopefully the 7000 series will be much better at this, they need to, if they actually want market share.
*except that 40xx drivers are open-source?
I am in fact super interested in trying and reviewing Tuxedo hardware. As a German 🇩🇪 this feels like a must for me 😁
That is a solid laptop. Between Tuxedo, Slimbook and System76 we have a nice selection of Linux machines out there these days. Of course we can't count out Valve with the Steam Deck either. Now if only we could buy these machines at the local electronics store. That way we might actually get some big adoption going.
The problem is it took WAY too long for current CPUs & GPUs to reach Linux laptops. I mean, I still can't find Intel 13th gen CPUs in any Linux pre-installed laptop!
I might also add the FrameWork
I really want something like the Razer Blade 14 but with Linux. I don't like numpads on my keyboard but I do want a discrete GPU. This basically rules out Linux-first OEMs.
@@cameronbosch1213 I was thinking the same thing to
The system 76 pangolin is an all AMD Linux laptop. But I'm torn between these three companies; System 76, Slimbook, or Tuxedo
I love the fact that the trackpad is also centered to the laptop itself!
Would love to see you look at one of the current Thinkpad workstations (P series), some of which now come with the option of Linux pre-installed, in comparison with these Clevo-chassis-based heavy-duty laptops from Tuxedo, etc....
Lenovo would have to send him a review unit, which is less likely, I think. Smaller, specialized companies like Tuxedo are happy with channels like this, because it's the intended target audience and subscriber base is big for them. For Lenovo, not so much, but I may be mistaken.
@@michadybczak4862 You are probably right - it's a shame, though...
@@michadybczak4862 I think Lenovo would be wise to try reaching Linux users on personal laptop markets though - ThinkPad's already work great with Linux and many love them for... not being crap. Sending some laptops to some top Linux UA-cam channels would be nothing to them, bigger investment would be to marketing them - and making it easier for end users to buy them.
Just as a sidenote, I have an old 486 IBM ThinkPad I want to restore it to it's "original condition". Quotes, because I'm simply talking about OS it came with, and not the one that specific unit came with - it was available with Windows _or_ OS/2 and it gives me an excuse to have at least one working PC with OS/2, which I haven't had since '97. It's the famous "butterfly keyboard" ThinkPad, really cool.
You don't have to be super worried about the water if you use distilled water. It doesn't conduct electricity.
Hmmm true
I'm more worried about nvidia drivers in a linux laptop 😂
For what it offers its still very expensive, also considering it has so much competition for lower prices, but yeah in case you want to help a company supporting linux and u got the money why not!
I have read that before and was searching for a cheaper alternative, but could not find it. Tuxedo's notebooks are starting at €679.
@@mrcvry macbook are a real competitor to this in terms of price, in terms of quality I personally think they exceed this by a margin in most tasks except gamming.
@@rey6253
True, and I have a few. The new M CPUs are great, but I need a fast Linux machine now. The fact that you can't boot Linux with the M machines anymore, and also Apple's new direction to monetize user data too, made me decide against a new Macbook.
This looks like the XMG Neo 17 (XMG I think partially owns an investment in Tuxedo) and the Eluktronics Mech-17, all of which use a Tongfang chassis. Just a heads up.
Nice review!
I am actually considering buying a Tuxedo. I do live in Europe. I'm currently rocking a 6 and a half year old Asus V752VM. Also 17.3", weights something like 4 kg, and the power brick another 1 kg. Seeing this as below 3kg is like "this is so easy now". And yes, I do use it as a desktop replacement. Before the pandemic I carried it daily to work, because I work on it, and at home I also game on it. It has a DVD drive, it has an USB type C port, DP port, HDMI port, I can literally do everything on it, as I wanted. I put 64 GB on it, because I like tabs and when I work I do have a lot of things opened. I also LOVE RamDisks, so much performance in some situations.
Now, since my current laptop is starting to show its age, I do want a replacement for it, but with the same idea - powerful (though it doesn't have to be insane/maxed, especially on the GPU), able to do everything (though I can drop the DVD requirement now, I rarely use it anymore and I think I'll simply get a external USB one at one point). I do wish to eventually get to 128 GB of RAM, and preferably at something like 6000 MT/s. Which currently is not possible and I don't even know if 13th gen Intel or Ryzen 7000 series will be able to do. I might have to settle to 64 GB at 5600 to 6000 MT/s or 128 GB at 4800 or even 4400 MT/s. Or wait another full year (like Q2-Q3 2024). Sigh.
I'd also like a model with an AMD GPU. Even if NVidia gets better support on Linux, for ethical reasons it's still a no-no for me.
Other than that, I can't wait for the next Stellaris and Gemini models! They're the closest to what I want. I like the care for repairing too. To be frank, my first option, if it would be one, would've been Framework, but a) the only ship in UK and b) they have only one model right now which is VERY FAR to what I want/need.
P.S.: the performance between 1080p SotTB and 2540x1600 is quite weird. It should be bigger. Something's off. Still, 100 FPS is still very good for that game. Oh, and I second that only one USB type C is too few for today. The ports in general, were at the bare minimum for a 17". They could add a couple more. And Thunderbolt or USB4 would be good to have too.
"Even with that sweet sweet UA-cam money". I laughed out loud at this. LOL
Regardless of sponsorship, this is an excellent video. Will be checking out Tuxedo as I have performance issues with Win11 on my Yoga 7i
No AMD GPU option? :/
9:58 You mean Amd only, right? 😅
Really wish this alternati e would be avalible world wide in stores becouse i would really like a laptop like this.
I was thinking about getting a laptop with good Linux support, but that price is definitely a deal-breaker!
I love their products. I have my MacBook pro 2015 alive, but I will need to switch after a while. I hole Tuxedo will have an OLED option soon.
Just don't want to downgrade my experience.
Great Video.
What I would love is a "Slimbook Executive 17"
Hey Tuxedo/Slimbook! Nudge, Nudge ;-)
This channel is my favorite Linux channel. ❤️ And Nick, you're my favorite Linux UA-camr 😁🥰
Thanks!
I hope to see OLED screen options in Linux laptop world and PCIe 7 SD card reader. But how do the Tuxedo screens compare to Lenovo 1600p 500nit screens in Legion 5 pro g7, Legion Slim 7 g7, T14 g3? The Asus G14 for sure has better screen.
Great laptop. Now try do to one to compete in the low end market with the big OEMs,because by hitting the broader market of people who want a just works system for basic use and are tired of all the Windows problems,the Linux kernel can finally become popular enough to be a viable option.
I wish there was one of these without the discrete GPU.
Love the review as usual.
I would love to see a review of the system 76 pangolin AMD version if you can get one.
Why "Linux laptop" companies don't do anything with recent AMD dGPU (RDNA2 or even 1)? I know that NVIDIA GPUs are generally dominant in the market, not without a reason, but it's also known that this doesn't necessarily go well together with Linux due to lackluster drivers. It's like they are missing their target audience.
For a while, I am looking for a laptop where I'd install Linux on. 2022 models it boils down to ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14, Legion Lenovo 7 Gen 7 and HP OMEN 16. However, the OMEN has mixed reviews (there are better choices for the price), Legion 7 has availability problems (and is not released in my country at all, despite neighbor countries do have them) and the G14 is small factor (y no network port?!). Sure, choice is a little bigger with older models - though no DDR5, maybe no MUX switch, and generally older hardware.
All things considered, there's barely any choice. Missed opportunity by Tuxedo, Slimbook, System76 and alike I say.
@@SirRFI Legion 7 2022 is awesome. I have one. It almost feels like Linux runs BETTER THAN WINDOWS 11 on it!
Yes, I need a workstation laptop with good CPU and a decent GPU, I don't need beefy GPU for laptop, I hope I could find good AMD workstation laptops in future
@@cameronbosch1213 Good for you. Gen 8 is around the corner, so they might as well skip Gen 7 altogether, though Intel variant did show up few days ago.
@@SirRFI I wouldn't say they should; gen 8 won't be widely available (the AMD version that is).
@1:19 in, the brand is Txuedo? 😂
Woops
This watercool-thingy is interesting.
Hopefully the stellaris 17 or 18 Gen 5 comes with a 7945hx and 7845hx options, More USBC ports that are USBC4, Both Nvidia and AMD options. (Since Linux could use some more 6800m's or 7800/7900m's ) and a Mini LED or OLED 1600p 240hz panel and maybe they'll also do a GAN 300w power brick. May just be 7945hx or Intel and the 4090 and down though
8:03 I would really want you to talk about iodé since, you know, it kind of fits too well in your department. ;)
Thank you for this very useful review. I am interested in this machine as a mobile workstation.
Once again, until Tuxedo has good English ANSI support, they will miss out on a huge market. That's the exact reason I didn't buy one from them.
The price and... specs are a problem. Tuxedo had some cheaper, older model that was below 2000 EUR and I could max it and still have it below 2000 EUR. Now it's gone, and we have this Stelaris model, which is... too powerful and too expensive. I would be happy with 1080p and a bit older GPU. Now, we simply have no reasonable options. Either this super expensive one, or some way weaker ones.
On one side, it's great that there is a model with best specs one can get, but why the cheaper one was gone when this one showed up?
I currently have an old Alienware R17 and hoped to buy the 17-inch model under 2000 EUR once my current laptop will reach its end of life (still holding up, although after 2 battery replacements and one keyboard replacement). Now I have nothing to look for, because this Stellaris 17 Gen 4 is just too pricey for me and the previous model was pulled out.1500-2000 EUR is the sweet spot for me, but needs to have 17 inch display, good GPU, but not the newest one, and the screen 1080p is more than enough. I just don't see the lure of higher resolutions: they drain battery quicker, are more expensive, require stronger GPUs and CPUs, need scaling which is oftentimes problematic and offer ZERO perks. I had a laptop at work with 4K, 14-inch screen (ThinkPad) and wasn't too impressed. I quickly set 1080, because scaling, even on Windows was a nightmare and saw no real quality gain.
Oh, you and your innuendo! Love it.
can we have a wayland on nvidia video soon? performance tests and all about it
It's not that people don't like keypads, they just don't like _those_ keypads that are smaller than standard, spaced narrowly and are hopelessly useless.
I don't know why all the new 17 inch laptops only offer two m2 ssd.
This company literally makes my dream leptops imagine a leptop with both windows and fedora, perfection. it's really unfortunate that they don't ship to Turkey, I do have some relatives who live in Germany but yeah.
I experienced the joys of slipping water over a laptop two months ago when that happened to me at work with my ThinkPad X240.
I know, Nick, you suggest to buy native Linux laptops but picking up a replacement X260 was super cheap and I can keep using all my accessories.
Still, that big chonker you show here looks cool... except for nVidia Graphics.
Does the nvidia gpu limit you to only using X11 on a tuxedo machine? I don't use Wayland on my nvidia machines, because multimonitor just does not work.
Most of my Nvidia laptops when using Optimus do work with Wayland. But I'm not sure if you use the MUX switch to move over to the dGPU.
I'm just waiting for the version with the 7945HX 😃
They’ll get my money once they make a laptop with the 7000 series parts
The saddest part is it will likely be when Ryzen 8000 comes out...
This looks great for high end gamers. For VFX (which is what I would most likely to use something like this for), colour fidelity of the monitor is paramount. 99% sRGB isn't great. Would expect p3 or at least full Adobe sRGB for something with these kind of specs.
Fantastic! Defiantly my next laptop
Pure distilled water actually does not conduct electricity - but that's complicated and a bit more maintenance than most people would entertain. I have seen 3.3 kV systems that used water cooled busbars.
Re: Thunderbolt - its a shame that this laptop doesn't have a USB-4 port. Granted - not many Zen 3+ devices do (I think there's one Asus laptop and a few small mini and desktop OEMs), and even the new Zen 4 devices (that are still few and far beween) don't all have USB-4 ports, but the platform is capable and the drivers are there, but you can't use these without a certified USB-4 port, which this laptop doesn't have.
Now about Thunderbolt: there's a lot of confusion there, but as far as I understand, a USB-4 port will connect and feed basically any Thunderbolt 3 device. Thunderbolt 4 devices are a bit more picky, but if your USB-4 is 40GBps and you use certificate Thunderbolt 4 cables - it should also work. The USB-4 port is basically Thunderbolt except that Intel (after releasing donating the Thunderbolt 3 spec to USB-IF) released Thunderbolt 4 as a set of required specifications that exceed the minimum USB-4 requirements, but if your device has USB 40GBps and just doesn't have a Thunderbolt icon because certification is expensive - it should work with all devices.
I have a Ryzen 6000 laptop with a USB4 port.
@@cameronbosch1213 is it an Asus, and how's your experience connecting thunderbolt devices?
@@guss77 No, it's a Lenovo. And I haven't tested Thunderbolt tbh.
An excellent review, but... will they launch any models with the new AMD 7040 series? I'm looking to replace my laptop with a AMD 7040 series CPU laptop and I would love to have a Linux compatible one. I'm hoping to do this in the next 1-2 months, as soon as these CPUs will be launched.
Really hope they release AMD Advantage Edition.
Not the best comparison, but at a much lower price point, I could buy an M1 macbook and run Asahi on it...which I think I would rather do.
I'm definitely not the target audience, however, as I have many older devices I still use on the regular, including a laptop from 2008, and can't see myself ever paying anywhere near this for a device...
good point but also not a fair one since a macbook isn,t even nearly as custom tailored to run linux as this one and there are more afordable options
they have laptops for cheaper than the M1 (not sure where they lie on performance but they definitely have more compatibility), this laptop would be more reasonably compared the the M2 max, which while drawing significantly less power would not beat the performance of this machine nor even be capable of the primary function of this laptop... gaming
Imagine gaming on a Mac lol even Asahi won't save you from the mediocre performance.
The clicky keyboard is a dealbreaker for me personally. I wish there was a version with a silent keyboard.
Hopefully you’ll get your hands on the new Pangolin at some point. I gotta know more about that display and build quality, I’m a fan of the specs at least.
does it support coreboot?
Can't wait for the year of the Linux laptop.
Id love one, but Im over here in Australia & the idea of sending it back in case of warranty Im not so sure. I also enquired about the brick power supply for a previous model & they were not about to confirm the brick would handle 240v 50hz we use here. So for the price & uncertainty, Im holding off. Having said that there doesnt seem to be anyone here in Australia that does Linux laptops & they certainly dont stock these units
Unigine Superposition benchmark has a linux native version.
I love the look of these Tuxedo laptops, but them not having their current gen lineup supporting proper ANSI really bugs me
I was doing the same. Some have ANSI keyboard options but most only offer US keyboards with ISO layouts.
@ Yeah, thats whats holding them off for being a real option for me, most likely will end up with a laptop from System76 or maybe even just a Windows laptop with linux on it
@@SimisearOfficial I think System 76 also uses Clevo cases but not sure.
There's no option for ANSI? BTW, what's the difference between US ISO and US ANSI?
@@cameronbosch1213 US-ISO uses the uses keylayout for 95% of the keys but on an ISO physical keyboard layout. Imagine it like buying a Nordic or German keyboard and changing the keycaps.
Clevo chassis? Looks like it has the same unique design features as clevo's PD series but I cannot find an AMD version on their website (which has always been bad). Clevo are the main OEM for most "custom" laptop companies.
EDIT: Seems to be a Clevo PC70HS.
Nope. Tongfang, used by XMG & Eluktronics. This was the XMG Neo 17 & Eluktronics Mech 17.
The same random Intel+NVIDIA laptop.
Wake me up when some Ryzen+Radeon appears.
It won't, at least now this year. :/
Framework 16
TUXEDO Sirius 16 - Gen2
Microsoft input sounds like a new *security* feature that all devices will have to have to install Windows 12.
Hahaha yeah 😂
Seems a good machine. But I stopped using anything less than 4K many years ago. It would be a downgrade for me. I wonder if this would be noticeable on that screen.
I really enjoy this channel. I am avid Linux fan and I use it for my work and play. I only use Windows for CATIA.
Just ran GB6 on my old 2021 M1 Pro... and I've still got an advantage with about 2230/11600 on single/multi. And that's not even trying (I left about 20 browser windows, multiple IDEs, Slack, etc. all open and didn't bother to do anything beforehand).
I don't have an M2 Pro/Max to test, but my M2 iPad Pro got even higher (over 2450) on single core, and still managed to hit about 9000 on multicore.
AMD's got to step up their game on high performance portables. 😏
touchpad covered in glass, now that's premium!
That looks like a really good laptop. Tuxedo may just get my business when I go to get a new laptop.
Want more of this
2:47 what do you mean Nick?! my thoughts are too vulgar sometimes... I say this all while I am not even French :P
It's a nice machine, but the price ain't. It's an impossible price to pay and absolutely not worth it, much like you hinted with a lower desktop.
The keyboard loudness and lack of keyboard light are both instant deal-breakers either way.
The single USB Type C can barely be forgiven cuz it's a 10Gb (1.2GB/s) one, for which you can buy an externally powered hub (technically a docking station, it seems).
Hi Nick. I understand that this laptop seems solid, but as you've been using Tuxedo and Slimbook laptops for a while, which brand would you recommend as strength and durability are concerned? How do the hinges (for example) age? Thanks!
They both use the same base chassis, so they age in the same way! The oldest laptop I have is a Slimbook Pro X 14 from 2 years ago, and I have 0 issues with it, the hinge is still super solid, it only has one minor scratch on the lid (I lugged it around every day for a full year in a bag with cables), and no hardware problems at all!
Great but if I wanted to get a fully specced out machine it's going to cost me around $4K...
Hmmm for some reason I dont believe in the use case for these types of devices anymore especially for work and with the cost. I like to carry something slim around and if I have a high performance task you simply RDP onto a high performance computer in a data centre or at home run the task then go back to normal.
IBM should re-release their Model M keyboard - that was a true clicky keyboard.
Tuxedo OS is an extremely polished KDE Plasma edition of Linux. Excellent alternative to RAM hungry clunky Gnome flavors such as Pop OS.
A screwed battery? What's the benefit over just having a lid with a latch like on older laptops and many more recent Clevo`s?
I think he's comparing it to MacBook Pros from late 2012 - 2020, which literally had batteries glued to the chassis. They've reversed that, but at the cost of soldering everything else.
4:18 the infinitybook pro gen 7 (intel version) is faster than that im pretty sure
Mechanical switches does sound very nice if only the switches would be more quiet.
I don’t like the nvidia gpu but I also understand why they used one instead. I much prefer the plug and play friendly aspect of amd, the open source nature of it and the significantly better price to performance ratio. However one negative of amd gpu’s is that, unlike their cpus, they tend guzzle power especially compared to their nvidia equivalents. For desktop gpu’s it’s not that big a deal but for laptops with their limited power budget that’s really critical, especially when go for anything high mid range or above. Because of that I only recommend amd integrated gpu’s on laptops and you kinda are forced into nvidia if you want a high end dedicated gpu. Amd is just too power hungry to compete on performance or battery life.
Not a fan of the full size keyboard with numpads on laptops. Wish they used a TKL keyboard and used the extra space for upward firing speakers.
On a 17 inch laptop, I disagree; many Windows OEMs have done that, but only Razer has been able to actually have good speakers on their Blade 17/18 from 2022 on.
@@cameronbosch1213 The XPS line and HP's high end laptops have good speakers as well
@@vvvvvvvvvwv Not the ones without a freaking 3.5 mm jack. But otherwise I do agree.
microsoft jack ... This really got me🤣🤣🤣
I didn't see you review the bios selection. Does the stellaris sleep function work with the modified bios from Tuxedo computers? Does the wifi/bluetooth shutoff and also the selection of fan speed curves works well in bios/uefi?
@@user-bk2uj2bm3h The business of open source firmware grow from the sale of devices. Dos is obviously not a bios.
@David :') there is coreboot for open source bios and it's quite powerfull
@David there is and it's called RISC cpu group but in order to boot the system every modern systems uses standartized instructions (of course every manufacturer has it's differences) and the point of a standart, a protocol is make things easier to work. Intel manufacturers uses their assembly not any third party OS and then if you know how to process assembly you can make your own OS etc. like windows, linux or mac. of course you cannot gain full control of newly released intel specific cpu (if manufacturer wants only closed source) and there is a compatibility issues as well this is why there are recommended linux hardwares to use..
@David oh, plus the topic is bios programming which is related to motherboards and that is something a small firm can handle on its own even make their own cards..
Hmm, can you install Fedora on this thing instead of Ubuntu? Is that option available when you buy it or do you have to do it yourself?
Sweet laptop.... Thanks for.showing it
1. Why nvidia?
2. No manufacturer gives physical hardware kill switches these days & this one tows the line.
3. Cost is exorbitant - abt 240,000 Indian rupees which is about 6 times my hp 15. I got that with win 10 & installed Linux.
4. After Ubuntu phone, I'm always suspicious of Linux devices.
5. No idea on after sales service.
6. Hardware eg keyboard, camera, speaker etc appear average.
It's a rich man's luxury. I like your clear review on pros and cons. Keep it up. Best wishes.
Ubuntu phones seem pretty good when you look at Purism's Librem 5 scam lol
yes. it's quite ugly. rather all Linux phones are just lollypop to Linux users.
1. Apparently Linux OEMs can't get Radeon laptop GPUs easily. I do think it's vital they do though.
2. Lenovo and Framework do. (Both for the webcam, and Lenovo's cuts power to it, but that's still better than many other brands.)
3. Yes, but that's what you get for powerful hardware.
4. So you trust big tech companies like Apple & Google over FOSS companies? Give me a break...
5. Idk either, but System76 is quite good in that regard.
6. I agree, it may be hard to get OEM discounts for the good stuff, which probably means it takes longer to come to Linux OEMs.
I do personally use a Windows laptop with Linux on a second SSD, but I think for me that it's the best option.
Nice. I wonder how it plays Stellaris?
It probably would have increased the price a bit but just a few color accents could have made this laptop much more attractive or less boring 🙂
It is not available in india!😭😭😭
Ah crap
@@TheLinuxEXP Sadly, that seems to be the case with a lot of consumer electronics: They're either not available in India or they're overpriced there.
Rubberized? Is it the kind that gets sticky after a few years?
Are these available in Canada?
Can't wait for the day I can drop money on a laptop without blinking an eye. Okay. I'll blink once.
Does it run windows? 🤣
Look's gorgeous as always with the stuff that seems to come from Tuxedo. The specs sound totally insane! The water cooling seems a little weird (and scary as hell lol) though although I guess using quick connects would make it even more expensive...
380 Nits for display brightness is a total dealbreaker. Anyone looking for the kind of performance wouldn't compromise on such a *literally* lack-luster display. Overpriced in my opinion. I'd wait for Clevo to update their chassis/display combos before spending that much.
Now that's a Beast
This looks much better than previous options for Linux laptops. I get that aesthetics, in most cases, are counter to production, and Linux is all about production, but some of these Linux specific laptops are mingers and just look terrible. I went with a Dell XPS since its Linux certified. They are making big strides on these things though, glad to see the track pad is getting some attention. No one wants a 2000's trackpad on a 2023 laptop like most have.
The recent Dell XPS 13 (both 9315 & 9320) are awful. Don't buy them.
@@cameronbosch1213 Ive got the 15, it's fantastic. Stable, fast, good battery life. No quality issues to speak of.
@@iammattjones The 9500/9700 & 9510/9710 had loose trackpads. Did yours?
@@cameronbosch1213 Nope. It's tight as a drum. No dents or keyboard issues or separating chassis. It's the way such an expensive machine should be.
@@iammattjones Not like with the port selection or screen options imo.
Why do people keep adding numpads on gaming laptops!?
Way to get it ALMOST right... 1xUSB-C only and its not even USB4, and why in the heavens do they use nVidia on Linux oriented laptops?
The new Stellaris with Intel 13th gen does have Thunderbolt 4 with a direct dGPU connection on it and the HDMI port, but the laptop still only has one and still no USB-C charging for quick trips to the local coffee shop! 😬
try the malibal l1
while a laptop is kinda okay... mechanical keyboard on it is quite interesting... also - screw other people around xD
hmmmmmm... now I'm a bit wavering in aiming for desktops only
"1 hour" for intel only? did i hear that right?
One hour more than with hybrid mode, not just one hour :)
Laptop look like a Lanovo. NVMe PCIe 3.0 < Really
Nothing in the specs matters, if you have this unusable keyboard. How this layout could be for productivity?
They simply should stop using those strangely positioned arrows on the keyboard.
Soo... It's like legion 5 pro, but costs a thousand more and has linux preinstalled. I mean.... 1000 euro isn't worth saving a few hours fixing potential problems when installing linux on a regular laptop.
I have a Legion 7 2022, the AMD Advantage model, which cost me 1,830 USD and 20 USD to replace the stock MediaTek Wi-Fi card with an Intel AX 210. And out of the box, the Fn+Q performance mode switching shortcuts still work in Linux, as it seems to be on a firmware level. Likewise, the 6 presets of RGB set in Legion Spectrum on Windows also seems to be saved in firmware when swapped with Fn+Space.
I even can run Wayland so smoothly because AMD CPU + AMD Radeon GPU; no Nvidia 💩 here!
I mean, 1,830 for a Ryzen 6800H & Radeon RX 6700M is a steal, especially since there are two SSD slots (I added an 8 TB SSD in the spare slot), two RAM slots (which I have upgraded to 64 GB, the maximum supported RAM), and a huge battery which got me 8 hours in Windows with the screen at 60 hz.
I love it.
Oh, and it seems to have a better time in Linux than Windows 11, because I keep getting random hardware restarts (not BSODs) in Windows 11, but not Linux.
I just don't understand, why Tuxedo use NVIDIA graphics. NVIDIA is not good for Linux, AMD Radeon is much better.
decent laptop but the price tag is just not appealing. MSI has better deals and you can just install Linux on it.
This looks like a great gaming laptop if you can afford it... and can still afford to buy games once you have the device.