I converted because I wanted truth. St. Ignatius of Antioch spoke truth to me. "Obey the bishops and avoid schism". That simple statement brought me home.
@Kristen - i hope you do understand that church fathers are not the authority :) we all love reading them, but o my gosh - they differed so much in their theology and while we hold them important, we do not rely on their interpretation and thinking. their writings are not authoritative.
@@TheNikolinho their writings are not authoritative, just like paul understanding differ from peter and james. Does that make u despise their writings as well? Their writings tell us the core of whats the main problem. For example, the doctrine that body and blood of christ is not mere symbol. ALL OF THEM AGREED ON THAT. It gives us understanding that it is the true one since it has been understood and believed so since the beginning. Christianity is never built upon books, because at the end, what makes christian separate from each other not that they dont read bible. Every christian quote it as their justification. BUT, the problem lies on who read and understand it right. Ask yourself, which one understand it right? If luther understanding is right on one issue, there is no way calvin is also right on the same issue that makes them differ, because if not, why separate then right? But agai, which one is? Your ownself understanding? 😂
@@Spartanthermopylae I'm getting curious: what is your standard in deeming what makes someone a christian and not? And - assuming you hold so Sola scriptura - how do you find that in scripture?
Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks. LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture. Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words. 1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.) On Black people 2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)" @tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not
@@tony1685 1. Yes they did. Mary and all of the saints are alive. God is the God of Abraham, Jacob, etc - the God of the living. Revelations is explicit about this concept. 2. Jesus sent the apostles to forgive sins and gave Peter (the church) the explicit authority to forgive sins. Read your bible. 3. Sunday is the Lord's Day. Early Christians would go to temple on Saturday and then to their christian gatherings on the 8th day (the Lord's day - Sunday). You're just wrong. Calling Sunday the "sun worship day" is ridiculous - are you worshipping Saturn in Saturday? Is what is today Saturday even actually Saturday with changes in calendars over time?
When Cameron said he found Confession beautiful I was thrilled because I just went to confession today after more than two years without it due to the pandemic. Although I have known it since childhood it never fails to give a quiet peace. When I heard the priest say to me, at the end of the holy words of absolution, "I absolve you from your sins in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" for a second it hit me so powerfully, I was aware that at that very instant God in heaven has mercifully absolved me of all my past sins and the punishment due me. I was free and I felt light. Jesus truly gave us a powerful Sacrament for our healing. I was a different person when I left. I wish all people can have this and the Holy Eucharist.
Funny: Jesus Christ forgives me everyday : the priest said he forgives you in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's why I'll take Jesus forgiveness !
I'm pleased to say I had the beautiful peace of the Lord Jesus Christ every day during lockdown. It is He who died on the cross for me and is the great High Priest. Why would you rely on a man, a sinner just like you when you can go straight to Jesus? It must break Jesus' heart.
Like Trent, I like the fact that I can go to Catholic Mass without being approached by lots of people. I like to talk with people after Mass, but to me, the main purpose of the Mass is to worship God. I love the quieter approach with the candles, altar, crucifix, etc. It helps me to be more humble and pensive.
So you need all of the ornamentation and theatrics to worship? Pathetic obeisance and abasement are among the things that makes Catholicism so repugnant.
Same here. I was raised evangelical and one pet peeve I had about those churches is that there were people approaching you all the time on Sunday morning. One thing I like about Catholicism is that it is much more quiet and structured. Sure, I do believe that community is important in church, but it should not be too overemphasized, and it should not get to the point where it is more important than mass and worshipping God.
I am a convert, from agnostic. I still remember I prayed hard to God asking Him don’t send me to Catholic Church because I find Catholic Church boring and old (that was when I was naive and do not know how to appreciate the beauty of the Tradition). But I thank God for blessing me wisdom in my journey to Him…. I remember the only prayer I prayed daily was asking for wisdom in making decision, and that kinda lead me to the Catholic Church eventually. I still remember the day before my baptism, I ask God if He was joking for sending me to Catholic Church because I clearly don’t accept all the Catholic teaching. But with obedience I decided to dive in and get baptized into the Catholic Church. I learn more and more after baptism and God opened my mind to understand and appreciate the Church teaching. The understanding comes after having faith…. One cannot understand without first having faith. Just like Christianity, one cannot understand Christianity without first having faith in Jesus. Understanding will come after faith. And the cycle repeat as our understanding grow deeper, it further strengthen our faith. Keep praying for wisdom, to know the Truth, to make the right decision, The Holy Spirit will move your mind and heart and trust in the guidance and take the leap of faith. All your hesitant and doubt will be cleared once u took the leap of faith. If one keep waiting for the right reason before taking the leap… that won’t be called Faith. Peter followed Jesus before knowing Jesus is the Son of God, they just follow in obedience, the Truth revealed after. So whoever is waiting for the right reason to join the Catholic Church , don’t hesitate, just come, taste and see… the Truth will reveal itself.
How is Catholic church connected to Christianity? Don't they worship and depend on Mary and other gods? Don't they call a priest "Father" when it was clearly commanded not to. Catholic church prays to idol and dead humans (Mary, saints) instead of Jesus. They depend on witch doctors than asking Jesus for healing. They confess sins to priest when they can actually pray to God and ask forgiveness straight to God through Jesus, as the Bible says (it's as if saying Jesus is not enough). Doesn't Caholicism practice pagan practices like self-sacrifice (not necessarily dying but doing something..) as paying for their sins, even when the Bible says that forgiveness and salvation is through Jesus only. Doesn't Caholicism encourage praying Hail Mary 10x, our Father 5x, to be forgiven, even when the Bible says otherwise (which says Jesus isn't enough). Is Catholicism really Christianity?
@@IamJamila0523 I have the same thoughts about Catholicism. I have issues with Protestants as well; e.g. five-point Calvinism. . . T.U.L.I.P.. In the end it seems to me that having a relationship with God is analogous to that of a healthy, human father son or daughter relationship. I love my father; I will always be his son no matter what I do. I can always say I am sorry and receive his forgiveness. I want to remember my father at all time and act in a manner that is becoming and consistent with my profession of loving him. . . never to bring shame upon him. Likewise, God is my Holy, heavenly, Father, and because of what God has accomplished through Christ (God in the world reconciling the world to Himself), I am an adopted son of His; a joint heir with Christ; a branch grafted into the Vine (Christ) who is in the Father and both in me. I am part of the Body of Christ. And as such, It seems to me that this is what matters in the end. How can I go wrong with this in mind?
@@claudiolordino2192 everything you said was true. However, the catholic church are openly pagans, as they make it appear as seen in their prayers, in their rituals, in their worship, in their celebrations, in their accessories, basically this is not something hidden. they have a lot of practices that depend mostly on saints and other humans than on Jesus alone - the bible is clear though that He wants us to depend on Him, trust Him and love Him with all our hearts and minds. knowing this, it would seem very offensive to be a part of it and still say, "but God you know that I love you", all the more, claim that they are Christians. Christ-ian means you follow Christ. So, it's kind of questionable if Catholicism really is Christianity. There's such a big difference from the way Christians practice and live their lives as followers of Christ.
@@IamJamila0523 My understanding of scripture brings me to the same conclusions you have. I can find no support for praying to anyone but the Father, through Christ. We can only pray that He will enlighten those who truly have a heart for The Master. Grace and peace.
@@IamJamila0523 So much words and every one of the points is false and without proper understanding of Catholic teachings. What can I say, dive deeper my sister, don't learn about Catholicism from protestants but Catholics. Because all of this points are low hanging fruits to refute.
Trent wants what the Catholic Church offers, community and life after death in heaven. Don't forget that God is a schizophrenic, multiple personality who demands from you endless praise and worship or He will cast you into the fiery pits of Hell.
Congratulations and welcome home! I joined 2 years ago and I was so nervous but that moment I had my first Communion, I broke down into tears. You'll remember that first moment forever ♥️
@@tony1685 I will become a Catholic and receive the sacraments of confirmation and Eucharist next week and by the grace of God I will remain a Catholic my entire life. God is good!
I think Trent is quite similar to William Lane Craig. Really a genius, great debater, always prepared for any argument. Would like him to do some more debates with some prominent atheist scholars.
@@unturbe yep, generally guys who have 2 phd's written 30 books and hundreds of papers on the nature of time and debated every prominent atheist over the last 30 years. What are your credentials
@@CapturingChristianity we had a recent discussion with Trent on my friend's UA-cam channel "a Goy for Jesus," where we discussed many of the same things you discussed with Trent. If you are interested, we provided Trent with some thought-provoking answers to many of his questions & objections, which he brought up in your interview with him: ua-cam.com/video/-wfBOSSjqI8/v-deo.html ("How Protestants Argue Like Atheists According to Special Guest Trent Horn"). If you ever want to discuss this with Geoff & I, let me know. BTW, Trent & I debated on the canon in 2020, and we will be debating the Marian dogmas on April 20th at 1pm EST on "Pints with Aquinas" if you want to check it out. And I am a Catholic convert to Protestantism in April 2004.
@YAJUN YUAN Is it reasonable to understand that verse as only referring to the writing of the Apocalypse itself? "Before, now, and after," as in, the things being revealed to John there on Patmos in that vision? I've seen pretty compelling examinations of that book which display it as the full and complete resolution to scripture and world prophesy.
@YAJUN YUAN and you make it sound like although it isn't mentioned by Scripture that somehow we must model a church after something not Catholic as the church proposed in scripture. Luckily history isn't riddled with SDAs and neither your theology. And see how often you appeal to your own interpretation. Your interpretation < church fathers. Every. Single. Time.
Protestants: Want Cam to stay Protestant. Catholics: Want Cam to convert to Catholicism. Orthodox: Want Cam to convert to Orthodoxy. All of them can pray: God, let your will be done for Cam! Edit: and may it be done for me!
@YAJUN YUAN isn't that imposing a non Catholic and non Orthodox POV apriori. Or do you mean you just seek non contradiction with scripture. Because that part is kinda easy.
@YAJUN YUAN Scripture being materially sufficient doesn't mean it is formally sufficient in principle. Because the formal interpretations have been handed over. (Tradition) And if by some slim chance you happen to agree with every single tradition that was given by the apostles (with roots in scripture, good for you) now you must submit to the church as demanded by the same Scriptures. Perhaps consult the church that can actually bind the entire church like in Acts 15. Otherwise you just have a pretend church and a pretend magisterium.
@YAJUN YUAN The magisterium can read scripture and bind people in rare circumstances against faulty interpretations. Most often this is not needed. Because like you said. Seeming contradictions do arise. Seeming. And this leads to fighting. Only the highest authority can definitively stop this fighting. One such seeming contradictions to you may be that Christians worship on the Sabbath. The early church fathers, tradition and scripture attest to Sunday worship. Your faulty interpretation dispute this. In your mind there is a seeming contradictions. But note how I can know the truth by consulting either the church fathers as a whole, the Scriptures with their interpretation (traditional) or a council to know what the truth is. However if I see q dispute, I should side with the binding authority.
@YAJUN YUAN The Magisterium is part of what was handed over (Tradition) they need not contradict. What was handed over to the early church bishops was the sacraments (and these are attested to in Holy Scriptures although we get a glimpse at them) Scriptural interpretation and methodology was handed over as well. The magisterium was also handed over. So ultimately one can say sola tradition and one would be correct in the sense that one holds to *what was handed over by the apostles* Say however confusion erupts over what was actually handed over by the apostles. Orthodox historically had councils Catholics still have councils. So now the magisterium lays the truth down. So in that sense prima magisterium is the groundwork. Although, it plays a minor role in many day to day spiritual activities for the believers. But then one can also say so much of what Catholics believe are merely truths stated in scripture and everything we believe can be backed up with scripture. Does this make us prima scriptura? For each and every one of our doctrines you better believe we will cite scripture. Strange. Almost like all 3 play a major role.
Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks. LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture. Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words. 1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.) On Black people 2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)" @tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not
@@tony1685 protestant pretending isn't Christianity. It's man's wannabe version of Christianity with made up versions based on a person's desire and personal interpretation of the Bible. Barely Christian
I joined the Catholic Church in 1978, aged 19, towards the end of the Paul VI pontificate. I had struggled with Anglicanism for some time and come to feel deep down that the Anglican church was not quite right. I started to attend the Catholic Church in the autumn of 1977, and was received the following April. I have never looked back. Nowadays if I go into an Anglican church, for instance for a funeral, I experience a feeling of emptiness. I had visited the Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham [England's main Marian Shrine] several times as an Anglican when I was 17/18 and I believe this may have played a part in my conversion although there were other factors. Praise Jesus Christ Our Lord. Ave Maria.
This is a very good case for Catholicism by Trent Horn. And a rare disposition to Catholicism by a Protestant in the person of Cameron Bertuzzi. Thanks Cameron for being so gracious to Catholicism. God bless you.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
@@hazyexpress5607 it covers both Christianity and Catholicism.As Christianity takes Jesus peace be upon him as God and catholics also incorporate Mary. By the way can you show me on Verse in the bible where Jesus peace be upon him states the trinity the way you have stated it.
@@hazyexpress5607 I and my father are one." This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows: "And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one." John 10:23-30 In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand. Need more proof? Then read: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." John 17:20-22 Is all of mankind also part of the "Trinity"? Such terminology can be found in many other places, read for example: "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit," 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 And also "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:6 And "For as the (human) body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many." 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 Once we read the above verses and understand what the message was that Paul was trying to get across, then we can begin to understand his words in such places as "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4 "St. Paul" was speaking about Christian unity, not about a plurality of gods merged into one body. As we shall soon see, he was completely ignorant of where his teachings would later lead, and how decades later, they would be the foundations which would spawn the "Trinity" doctrine.
@@hazyexpress5607 in relation to the Mathew quote I checked and where does it says Jesus said and in ration to it only says say baptise in the name... not I ascribing divinity
@@hazyexpress5607 isiah 7 14 states : Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. There is no place here where it states the Lord is with us. This is simply a prophecy of Jesus peace be upon him and not of the trinity. The Jews did not see this verse as some sort of man God of what you claim to come to earth but of a prophet. In relation to the other verse you added yourself "Jesus said" . I checked the verse no where it states Jesus said
@@johnprentice1474 trying to appeal to modernism instead of the timeless beauty of the ancients. Check out this topic in video below. ua-cam.com/video/1T35glENMyQ/v-deo.html
@@johnprentice1474 Find a Traditional Latin Mass and go to it. Meet some people there and find your way back. The TLM restored and renewed my faith in the Catholic Church too. I'm a cradle Catholic.
@@ProfYaffle can you not see flaw and incoherence in Protestant thought? Everyone with a unique theology. Everyone reinventing the faith in their own denominations. Everyone constantly fighting over doctrine without defined dogma. Calvinist vs Lutherans vs Wesley vs Mormon vs JW. How do you know you interpreted the scriptures correctly when almost no one agrees on the interpretation?
@@christopherlampman5579 or look at it another way, everyone is seeking truth, discussing, debating. I find it fascinating the differences between calvinist, anglican, lutheran (I think you know that Mormon and JW are heretical cults invented by men - not Christian). I don't fight with Methodists, or Anglicans - in fact, I don't fight with Catholics. But I do use the brain God gave me to question and check - because on judgement day, when Jesus asks why I did or believed such and such a thing, I shan't be saying, "because he told me so" but I shall say, "I wrestled for the truth and from the evidence, this seemed to be correct". You guys have made it into a problem that we have different ideas, but it isn't a problem. It is how we learn. The way to not learn is just to believe what someone says and ignore all argument. That's what Muslims do. That's what JWs do. That's what Mormons do. They are not allowed to disagree - and if they leave the faith, they are ostracised. Clearly dodgy.
Trent: I watched the Hanna Barbara cartoons Cameron: what is that, on UA-cam? Trent: I watched them on VHS Cameron: interesting. And what is this VHS you speak of?
It stands for Very High Speed internet. It was when they stored internet in those little black rectangular boxes. This was back when they had paper versions of websites called "boks".
Ignatius of Antioch. In his second-century letter to the church in Smyrna, he wrote, “Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8, 1 [A.D. 110]).
@@rpgfeatures793 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:16-18 KJV - Paul 68 AD My point is just because someone has religious authority doesn't mean they're doctrinely correct.
@@rpgfeatures793 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) Philippians 3:18-19 KJV You think it's impossible for a church father to be a false teacher?
I just stumbled upon this video whilst searching for a 'Catholic' presentation for spiritual nourishment during Lent. I initially thought it was one Catholic interviewing another, until towards the end. One of the things that struck me as very positive was the mutual respect shown here - I recall a more confrontational time when some Protestants could be somewhat hostile to Catholics, at least intellectually. I also really enjoyed the intellectual aspects of what was discussed during the interview. New subscriber here, and may God bless you and your work🙏
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 we don’t believe in your cult leader, Muhammad was not anywhere close to Jesus Christ, that man was a disgusting liar Jesus Christ is lord, he said before Abraham was I AM, in exodus chapter 3 god utters his divine name to Moses I AM WHO I AM
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him..
Cameron, my answer to your question of advice for someone (like yourself) who is thinking about becoming Catholic because of its beauty and drawing awesomeness is: recognize that aesthetics is secondary to piety; that is, that the virtues of religion and piety (which fall under justice, i.e. giving God His due) is primary. Therefore, becoming Catholic is not really up to your consideration, it is your primary duty as a human being, totally focused on God.
“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more *that which leads must be followed* , for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors. What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins
I don't focus on a mass murderer of the unborn or his son who sends people by the millions into eternal damnation. Greetings to all from a free thinking atheist.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 Mohammad is a false prophet and is burning in hell for all eternity. His revelation in the cave was from a demon, not the Archangel Gabriel. The Qur’an is inspired by the Devil. You are decidedly on the road to eternal perdition if you remain a Mohammedan. Jesus is God incarnate. There is no other way to the Heaven except through Him. I pray you come to see the light and leave that wicked false religion that is Mohammedanism. The real believers in ‘islam’ are Catholics. Pax. Cristus resurrexit, resurrexit vere; alleluia!
The introvert aspect alone has me thinking about becoming Catholic. 😂 I'm actually not even joking though. Edit - I've still never found a church that isn't trying enough to where I feel out of place. I've fairly recently (last couple of years) become a believer after decades of atheism and then agnosticism. I'm not very concerned with doctrinal issues unless it's something that is blatantly illogical or wrong because I'm not looking for someone to tell me what to think but how to better think. I love music but not so much concerts. I am easily annoyed by pushy attempts to exite me. I need good, in depth theology/philosophy in a loving but calm and peaceful environment. The church absolutely needs to be doing good for the community and world more than anything. Tithing isn't to pay for our own enjoyment but to do God's work. Any suggestions is appreciated.
Since you’re asking for suggestions, I recommend watching Bishop Barron’s series “Catholicism”. You can get a free trial on his word on fire site to watch it for free. Also, Catholic Answers YT channel and site is good if you have specific questions about Catholicism. I became Catholic a couple years ago, was an atheist/agnostic for most of my life. God bless
Dude so funny! For my wife and I is the same! We love the calm and respectful ambient in Mass rather than a noisy and moving environment, we are indeed introverts and don’t like being noticed. Rather we like to be there worshiping God internally. But is different for everyone, I don’t think Protestant churches are worshipping less or more by being more energetic, just different. I think the right way would’ve been for the Protestants to have remained in communion with the Church, and became a religious order, rather than something separate. But anyways, just keep praying to God to guide you where you should go. Let it be His will! And God bless you in your way!
I guess Hillsong and Bethel and other charismatic churches arent a thing for you xD (and IMO -it shouldnt be for anyone- it should be for nobody lol) May I ask, what changed your mind about Atheism?
Aw, look at all the angry Protestants disliking this video simply out of bias towards Catholicism. I bet so many immediately sped to the comments to say Catholicism is unbiblical and we are idolaters.
@YAJUN YUAN Uh, Trent did say "before his ascension." He's obviously not claiming that Jesus didn't want the Bible to be written. Catholics are bound by the Magisterium to believe in biblical inspiration. It's not an optional opinion. He's talking about what Jesus seems to emphasize. Jesus rarely mentions writing the Gospels and never gives any indication that believers should treat the future Gospels as the "sole infallible rule of faith," whereas he constantly instructs us to contribute to and submit ourselves to the Church. So clearly there isn't any biblical warrant for sola scriptura. This is not an either/or proposition - like most things, for Catholics it's a both/and thing. Scripture vs. tradition is a false dilemma that serves no purpose other than to attack the authority of the sole remaining Apostolic successors. The burden of proof isn't on the Catholic Church to prove that both the things Jesus recommended are worthwhile. The Bible itself has already demonstrated that Jesus seems to think of the Church as the central focus of worship and as a singular, hierarchical organization, so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that it's not any of those things, that Jesus only wanted us to use Scripture, and that he didn't really mean all those things he said about the Church.
@YAJUN YUAN Btw somehow I knew you'd be on here within hours, twisting Trent's words in the hopes of throwing a stumbling block out there for discerning protestants to trip over.
This might be the most interesting conversation I’ve listened to on Christian issues relating to which group one should belong to. Really impressed with Trent’s defence for choosing to be catholic. Inspiring and definitely food for thought.
@@aureum7479 Jesus, yeah, the Almighty Guy who said "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church." I would start listening to Him if I were you.
Wow as a Protestant I love hearing your conversations and enjoying it.I listened to he Historian and Romeo that so many knowledge about the history and tradition. It’s so beautiful and amazing.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
Being Catholic, it’s not only the beautiful churches but it’s also the solemnity of being inside in front of the Altar. The presence and peace you feel in front of the Tabernacle. The forgiveness of sin at the sacrament of Reconciliation and feelings of your love for the Holy God. And God making you feel of His presence when you are forgiven of your sins. Having a purpose to serve your loving Holy God the Father. When one is holy, you can actually hear God speak to you if you know or learn how to listen, and will have peace, joy and satisfaction.
If Roman Catholicism is a religion of peace so is Islam. It's crazy how much blood was shed by devout Roman Catholics like Mary I, Philip of Spain, and Hitler who was not negatively spoken of by the current pope.
@@pianoplayer2260that’s a laughable objection to Catholicism. You could make that exact same argument about Protestantism as well. Protestants enslaved the Catholic people of Ireland. Just because self-described “Catholics” did bad things doesn’t mean Catholicism itself is bad. Be careful about the arguments you make. Also, I’m Catholic, but I don’t think Protestantism is inherently bad because people who identified as Protestant were slave-owners.
@@JW-sg7tt Most Protestants are lost religious people just like Catholics. I'm consistent in my beliefs. Any protestant church state religion like Anglicanism or Calvinism is of the devil. The Puritans came to America to get away from the Church of England (Anglican). I don't think in terms as you're Protestant or Catholic, but rather saved and lost professing Christians. I'm not like Gavin Ortland, I don't about being a protestant apologist. I associate myself with the bible-believing Christians who are and always will be a remnant on the strait and narrow path. No church is perfect, but when you have blood on your hands associating with a church that is a system that does not have God's stamp of approval. If a protestant was also a part of the KKK, or if protestants enslaved Catholics, or if Bloody Mary killed almost 300 protestants that only proves that most all of professing Christianity is wrong and they are not living by the scriptures. Catholicism is among the many false religions in my view.
@@JW-sg7tt Question: How can the largest church in all of Christendom with 1 Billion+ people be among the FEW that are on the straight and narrow? Not only that, but was that also true in middle ages when the Roman Catholic church dominated Europe? This "Catholic awakening" going on right now on UA-cam only helps prove that Catholicism is on the broad path. The majority in bible is almost never in the right. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. Matthew 7 Catholic Answers' explanation does not refute this idea: "Well, it is Our Lord who calls himself the way and the gate elsewhere in the gospels. So he is the “narrow way.” He is teaching us that his way of salvation is the only true one, and this way is identical with himself. This is what is meant by “narrow.” So one does not reach Christ simply by following broad human opinion or custom but by clinging to him alone. Consider also that the Savior’s beloved disciple St John tells us in his first epistle that God is love. So the narrow way which is Christ is the way of love. This is the way of the cross, the way of the saints who left all to follow Christ." www.catholic.com/qa/how-to-interpret-matthew-713-14
I kept wanting to interject...The Eucharist! The Sacrament of Holy Communion which gives us the real presence of Christ, the Transubstantiation. That is the difference between Protestantism and our Catholic Church. By the way, I grew up Southern Baptist, and I am a late life convert. As to what we are expected to do, for me it is easy...just follow, obey, and emulate Christ.
Welcome home! I'm a cradle Catholic and always have admired the intense study and grappling converts go through. I'm doing the Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz and I can't get enough of our faith. It is endless beauty.
I may have come to the Catholic conclusion but I think both people who considered Orthodoxy and Catholicism can conclude how ridiculous the Protestant position is.
Christ: “If they are not against you, they are with you.” Also Christ: “If they are not with me, they are against me.” Schism is a paradox, God help our pride in every division be resolved. Honestly there is no schism between most Catholics and Orthodox, what remains is a vague, political, abstract notion of difference where 99% of the rest of the planet would have absolutely no idea the difference between us.
I just subscribe to you, Cameron. I believe I am just one Catholic now who loves you because of your humility and openness to Catholicism, the original Christianity.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
That was a great conversation and something I have never heard before. Since it occurred before Cameron's conversion, I can see the commonality because he was already on the road to conversion. Still, it was a very helpful talk for my own good being Catholic myself.
If you're considering Catholicism, try RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults) at a local Catholic Church. You do not need to commit to a conversion but simply follow the journey of learning the truth about the Catholic Church in fellowship with other discerners.
I think that calling people greeting you in protestant churches "not authentic" is a little bit biased. I usually see that people in this service show a real enthusiasm and happiness over your presence in the church. That's actually pretty uncommon in today's world, and it aligns well with Paul saying to always rejoice :) I am also an introvert, but personally prefer to see happy faces changed by God's presence in their lives :)
What reasons make you protestant might I ask? I ask purely to converse as a convert myself to Catholicism from non-denominational background. Interested to hear
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
Negative. There were many "denominations" loyal to the faith before Orthodox or Catholic ever existed. The most well known and documented to the extreme is what we today call baptists.
@@frisc0pn0ib0i I didn't say baptists of today. I said what we today call baptists. They go back to the 1st century. Today's baptists are the closest to what the early church fathers taught.
@@SalvusGratiumFidem I would investigate that claim. Maybe start by looking into baptismal regeneration, episcopal polity, and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
@@SalvusGratiumFidem ah yes, because the early church fathers taught sola scriptura, that the Eucharist is a symbol, and that baptism doesn’t save lol.
@@tony1685 I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God is not a God of the dead but a God of the living! You are sorely mistaken. Let the dead go and bury their dead.
@@tony1685 I believe in the ressurexrion of the body on the last day also. But that doesn't mean the Saints are dead. When Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. I believe if we follow him we will not die but have eternal life and he will raise us o. The last day.
@@tony1685 Jesus rise on the First day of the week which is Sunday. He fulfilled the old creation and on Sunday he started a New Creation with a new covenant in Sunday. So thats when we celebrate. You can read Justin Martyrs first apology to see the church near Jerusalem in 150 Ad meets on Sunday.
The best way we can learn from the Apostles is by their students. "By their fruits, you shall know them," as we read in scripture. Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, and a few others are good sources of what Orthodox Christianity really is. Saint Paul's letters, beautiful as they are, do not go into authority structure, doctrine, etc because they had no need. Everyone accepted that the Apostles had authority since they were the direct students of Jesus Christ. But once their successors had taken over, nefarious elements lead to minor heresies that needed correcting, ergo the letters. I recommend Ignatius of Antioch and Clement of Rome if you want a good idea on it, but don't be afraid to read from them all. Their letters are as long as Paul's, so they aren't going to set you back a month.
During the part (min 23) where he was talking about the Pope and brought up the fact that there was a king of Israel. My Mind instantly went to the fact that Isreal wasn’t supposed to have a king but because they were not listening to the Prophet of God they demanded there be a king. “Later, Samuel gave a farewell speech that would also address this issue, saying, “I will call on the Lord to send thunder and rain. And you will realize what an evil thing you did in the eyes of the Lord when you asked for a king” “Why was asking for a king wrong? The Lord was to be the ruler of Israel. God led the people through Moses and Aaron, and then through priests and judges raised up to govern the people. In Samuel’s time, the people began to worry about who the next leader would be, since Samuel’s sons did not follow the Lord. Their request for a king was a rejection of God’s way of leadership over them. “Another reason it was wrong to ask for a king is that the Israelites did so in order to be like “all the other nations.” God had created Israel as a unique people. He was their leader. When the Israelites wanted a king like other nations had, they were rejecting their unique, set-apart position as God’s people. The nation whose God was to be the Lord alone was envious of the nations who followed false gods.” It seems scriptural that God set up a church in a specific way. Christ as the head and under him bishops (who are equal) and so on.
@YAJUN YUAN do you know what having the keys of heaven means for St Peter? It was a position in Israel and Jesus gave it to Peter. If you study tradition you would know
@@davidjanbaz7728 Peter was given the keys of heaven. The Catholic church has 12 apostles including Matthew and Paul which should make it 13 but Paul and Peter share the same seat so 12.
I think Trent's question, "Where is that church today?" is a very good question. If we can indeed trace Catholicism back to the original apostles, then that will be very interesting. But my question now is, what if that church through the centuries of its existence made some errors in its doctrines that seem contradictory with Scripture (the highest Christian authority)? Would it still be worth following that church? Should we just correct the church of its errors? What if that church insists on its errors? Should we then divide ourselves from that church like the Reformation?
Your presupposition is that scripture is "the highest christian authority" . This is a core belief amongst the vast majority of Protestants and is usually taken for granted, but when you research this idea, you find that it is not historical, logical, nor even scriptural, but rather was invented very late in the game. If you decide that one of the church's teachings is indeed contradictory to scripture, what you are really saying is that you have decided that the church's teaching is contradictory to your own, or an individuals interpretation of scripture, which is actually making yourself, or that individual, the highest authority and ultimate arbiter of truth. The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is indeed authoritative, infallible, etc, but that it interacts with the apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the apostolic lineage to ensure the proper interpretation and application of the scriptures. On our own we are all able to err , but the Holy Spirit guides the Apostolic church in its entirety, as the body of Christ into all truth. On our own, left up to our own interpretations, we can end up very off-track. Scripture can be unclear and even quite confusing and can be interpreted an infinite number of ways. We see this in the Protestant community today as the number of denominations grows perpetually and new ideas and beliefs come and go fluidly. We also see this in 2Peter 3:15 : "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. I suggest you look more into the origins of flaws in Sola Scriptura and the Catholic teachings on church authority. If you like Trent Horn, he does have plenty of excellent treatments on both of these subjects. So does Jimmy Akin.
@@sj21393The church fathers argument is extremely overrated. Did not Paul warn about false teachers in 50 AD? Irenaeus has some pseudo-Catholic statement. So what? You don't think wolves can't get in because of their credentials? I suggest you study the Jesuits. Alberto Rivera was a real Jesuit priest and he has exposed how evil Jesuitism is. Doubt me? The proof is in "Is Alberto for Real?". Why not also read the Jesuit oath? Do you actually care about truth? Don't call me a conspiracy theorist, research yourself. Also, was Jan Hus a separated brother?
Trents explanation of what someone should do with interest in something is beautiful, if we lived out something we are interested in to try it you'll know for a fact whether it's for you. This is exactly how I converted from atheism to protestantism then protestantism to Catholicism
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
Does anyone feel like the most genuine part of our faith is that the moment before the cross roads? The moment of our confession. which by the way is being done in all throughout all denominations. “The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.” Ecclesiastes 12:11-14
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
Protesting Catholicism is an essential trait of Protestantism. If you are not protesting, you are not Protestant. Rather, y are in a part of a whole new thing reinventing the wheel.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
One critique: there are 3 Major Umbrella Groupings to choose from, but in Protestantism, even just in my County of Ohio, there are dozens of Denominations to pick from, each with a very distinct Theology and Ecclesiology.
Interesting views. To me as an outsider it sounds that to be a Christian sounds awfully wordy and full of mental assertions. I mean it is rare for a person these days to just simply accept an entire Catholic catechism. If we are thinking for ourselves why would we? When I go into a beautiful church it is lovely to see the imagery and light a candle; there is a peace there. But sometimes as soon as I get involved in heavy theological discussions it ruins it.
I think Trent's distinction between Mere Christianity and Protestantism is correct. Accepting just the core tenets mentioned in the video (Belief in God and Jesus as his Son) does not equal Protestantism. Protestantism is more than that. For example, the idea of treating the 66 books as the only valid scriptures is a Protestant idea. However, a Mere Christian could believe in the deuterocanonical books of the Bible whereas a Protestant would reject them. I'm not saying that all Mere Christians would accept all or any of these books but my point is simply that they could. So, that's one example that can show the difference.
@YAJUN YUAN really makes you think doesn't it. A Mere Christian could even accept the SDA as a legitimate or illegitimate church with the same reason and love for God.
@@jackdaw6359 You're not getting my point. The point is a Mere Christian isn't initially bound by any other doctrines, teachings, traditions or books. However, if one accepts the SDA as legitimate, they would no longer be a Mere Christian.
@YAJUN YUAN What is your definition of Mere Christianity? My point is that Mere Christians simply accept the core tenets of Christianity. I am describing what they ARE while you seem to want to define what they SHOULD be.
“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more that which leads must be followed, *for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors.* What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins
It’s kinda funny, Trent looked at people to get knowledge about Christianity. I am 17 and now he is the person who people like I am looking at to get information about Catholicism 🙏
I'm cradle Catholic so I can't tell, but I love saints and our nouns. Some of who I knew were so holly...brings me back to my childhood years when I just think about them, to years when things were so simple.
It’s important to take the time to educate yourself well enough to understand your faith and be able to defend it. Catholicism is beautiful, yes. And the answers are all there I’d you truly look.
Hey Cameron, I definitely recommend speaking with Dr. Jordan B. Cooper as you consider the protestant/catholic dynamic. It’s important that you consider higher protestant traditions that affirm and practice real presence, baptismal regeneration, and liturgy lest you associate those with Roman Catholicism by default
But regarding the Real Presence, not just anyone can turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. One needs sacred orders, the laying on of hands, in continuity with the apostles to do this, so only the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church's priests can do it.
@@secundemscripturas992 so I, a layman, can concentrate the host just by saying the words of institution? Also, did Luther not perform his own version of "papal" infallibility after he got rid of sacraments?
@YAJUN YUANwell we will just continue to disagree, since the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have never thought all sacraments are the same. Since they are different sacraments, they have different requirements. Why would we expect otherwise?
Both of these guys talking about Sola Scriptura being historically essential for Protestantism and me sitting here as an Anglican with our historical understanding of Prima Scriptura😅
@@aajaifenn because it says that the main canon is sufficient for salvation and doctrine, but not for life and morals since the other cannon can be used for this. So one could argue it’s very similar with SS but it’s not the same strict interpretation compared to other Protestants.
@@samuelaylmer804 isn't the article saying that the other canon can be used for edification and devotion and can be read in church for that purpose but that the main canon can be used for edification and devotion AND in addition for establishing doctrine that binds the conscience .The main cannon has this additional ability that the lesser dosent .
Question: I went to Catholic school, I was an alter boy, I am VERY familiar with the church. While my personal experience at Catholic school and as an alter boy were both absolutely wonderful, honestly zero complaints… As an adult, I could not get over the atrocities the Catholic Church had done and the evil monsters they protected. To this day I can’t. I love a LOT of what the Catholic Church can be, but I can not turn a blind eye to what it has been. I do not believe an institution that has perpetuated such evil can hold the earthly authority of God. I can not conceive how that would be possible. I know the Catholic Church teaches that humans can lose favor with God, if that is true, how has the Church itself not lost favor? Or kept it's authority? If it ever had any actual authority. My loss of faith in the church did not cause a loss of faith in God. Every church could be wrong or evil and God can still exist. I have been to many churches since. Some good, some awful, but none that has felt 100% true or complete. I'm 45 years old now, I’m not sure if a “true” church exists in this world any more. If it does, I would love to find it, but if I can’t, that will not change my faith in God. I can not let my desire for community or tradition allow me to overlook atrocities. I’m genuinely curious how you can, or how anyone can. I understand that may not seem like a nice question, but it is a fair one. If anyone here can answer that, please do. I am humbly curious.
I take this topic the same way I take my nationality. I don’t deny my nationality and I live in community despite the atrocities of our country’s shared history. Why not try (as an exercise) to rewrite most of your comment as if your were talking about your nationality and not your religion. For example I wonder how they can be proud to be add here > Americans, or French or Mexicans or whatever when they have done this atrocious things to Blacks, or Indigenous people or Jews, etc etc etc I have come to accept that it doesn’t matter what community “label” I attach to my name, there isn’t a clean label. You can be a Catholic or an Atheist or anything for that matter and your conscience will object to things that group of people have done in the name of their beliefs. Hope that helps. Pray, meditate and contemple.
@@calmontes651 Hello, thank you for taking the time to reply. To answer your question, these are VERY different scenarios. Nationality is where you were born, you have no choice in that. Hate it or love it, I was born in the United States. That is my nationality. Thankfully, I was born into a country where I can freely express my like or dislike for our nation's history. Nationality is NOT a belief system or a choice. Religion is very different. In the United States and many other countries, we get to choose our religion. It is not a fixed label we can not control or choose to leave. If you see religion as a label you are given at birth and can not change, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or to abhor you. Countries like Iran, where most of my family is from and still lives there, religion IS a label you are given at birth, you can not choose or change. If you are born to a Muslim family and do not believe in that death cult, you are not allowed to become Christian or ANY other religion. If you do, the punishment is death. I hope you do not choose to see religion the same way a brutal, totalitarian, murderous dictatorship sees religion. If you live in a free country, you get to choose your religion. If you choose to turn a blind eye to horrific behavior in that church and still attend, or God forbid give them ANY money, then you are just as guilty as the rapists you are choosing to defend and enable. Religion is a choice.
If an orchestra played a beautiful symphony by Beethoven poorly who would you blame? You wouldn’t blame Beethoven. Similarly when groups of priests and nuns have played Christ poorly or done atrocities in the name of Christ and and abused their position, we don’t blame Christ or the church he established, the blame is on the nuns and priests - and just because there are corrupt clergy covering for these wicked men and women does not mean that God has not raised up faithful men and women to Him in the Catholic Church. The Magisterium within the Catholic Church has stood strong over the last 2000 years and been faithful and true to God even as the evil and wicked men have passed through the Church throughout the centuries and tried to take advantage for their own evil gain. As the Scriptures say, in the end they are like chaff that the wind will blow away.
@@edel5780 I do not blame Christ or his church. I do not believe the Catholic Church is his church. In fact, I think anyone who does is badly and sadly brainwashed. Jesus’ church would not include castles or thrones or luxurious robes, or… PEDOPHILES. The Catholic Church is a Roman scam. Used to control people, as Rome ALWAYS did. It was political, not spiritual. That is why there is SOOOO much evil and SOOOOO much sin in that evil organization. I am in God’s church when I am feeding a homeless person. I am in God’s church when I am helping someone in need. I am in God’s church when I a following the example of Jesus, NOT when I am in a multimillion dollar building housing and protecting pedophiles. I can’t think of a worse sin than sexually abusing children and the Catholic Church has allowed it and protected those who have done it. Name a worse evil.
Truth is ultimately beautiful but not all beauty is “honest”….and so the advice is sketchy. I would never tell someone to merely “give it a try” but rather to heed Proverbs and seek knowledge and understanding as precious jewels calling out to God in humility. “Taste and see” and Hebrews’ “better than” come from declarations and arguments of truth not from options that are merely shinier and prettier.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
I’m a Protestant but admit the problem with the “modest” view is that it just leaves the door open to go wherever you want with all the further questions a true believer will eventually have.
As Catholics we cooperate with our Creator to love one another therefore create Peace and help one another, be of service for our brothers and sister. And do our best to follow God’s will. Do Protestants pray the Our Father?
33:13 - Cameron doesn't think that Sola Scriptura is the essential doctrine of protestantism. I beg to differ. There are many Protestant who no longer believe Sola Fide (those Church of Christ guy, some Anglican etc). But none of them disbelieve Sola Scriptura. This is because Sola Scriptura is the most fundamental thing of Protestantism. We could say that "Protestatism = Sola Scriptura." All institution needs authority. Without authority there's no single unifying principle of that institution (that consists of people). Protestant denies the hierarchical authority of the Catholic Church. It means that they have to derive authority from somewhere else. So, voila, scripture. But in a sense scripture is quasi-authority. Because the ultimate authority for Protestantism is him/herself. It's his/her interpretation of scripture that matters. Scripture is the tool to justify that authority. It is to apologetically say "my authority is not myself but the word of scripture" tho in reality his/her authority is himself/herself.
The Catholic Church derives its authority from Scriputre too, y'know. Both are doing the same thing. The difference is that many of us believe the Catholic Church has no more ability to interpret Scripture than the average person.
@@lpadron13 Nah. The Catholic Church derives its authority from bishops, whom derived their authority from the apostles, whom derived their authority from Christ. A book can't have authority. Authority must be given by someone in superior position, to otherin inferior position.
@@lpadron13 From apostles to bishops, you could check bible verse. For today bishops to the bishops who have their authority from the apostles, you see the history of the overal sucession. There are records of the succession of the most important bishops. Bishop of Rome, Bishop of Alexandria, Antioch etc.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 My response is summed up in these three videos. I cannot accept islam unless the questions posed in these three videos are answered. I don't expect that you'll watch these but if you do. May God open your heart to the truth. 1. ua-cam.com/video/O2tYAgboOrI/v-deo.html 2. ua-cam.com/video/sS-lLTfCI7c/v-deo.html 3. ua-cam.com/video/nNAS0aaViM4/v-deo.html 4. ua-cam.com/video/-o0lu2gtQ9Q/v-deo.html
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
@@applez3015 so you're just going to copy and paste? if that's your plan to bring people to islam it is a weak plan. I gave you links to arguments for why i will not accept islam. engage with them if you want to have a conversation. copy and pasting isn't going to do a thing.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him
@@user-fq7eh3jz7u perfectly perseved there is a Birmingham quran which is dated to the end of the Prophet Muhmmad peace be upon him , not only that there is an oral tradition of those that memorise the quran that goes back to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him .Currently in only in one Mosque in Pakistan has produced 1 million hafiz (those that have memorised the quran) in the past 3 decades.
@@user-fq7eh3jz7u I am not here to debate , I have conveyed the truth. If you dont want to accept it then no one can force you. You know there is only one creator that this nothing like the creation and he is the only worthy of worship and not any man , animal or rock
I enjoyed this very much🙏🏽 Great set up as well. Very cool looking. 👏🏽 Also, just to throw this out there, I love being Catholic, my biggest regret was falling away from the church/faith in my 20’s.
@@Mr24Acdcfreak a lot. For starters I was on a search of everything, fell into looking at the new age “spirituality” for some years, to justify a lot of my “own” terms of what is right. I always felt a void. The biggest turn around was my for my daughters and husband. Once I started actually learning about my faith I could understand so much, I felt as if my heart opened and I could see. Where as before I was shut off and always pointing at others errors and seeking a perfect example when all along it was right in front of me.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
Cameron here's my advice: Convert to the Catholic Faith, and seek to LIVE it. In the Living you will find the truth of it. Remember the Scripture where Jesus says If any man doubt my words let him seek to do them. In the doing he will find whether the words are true. There is no arm chair generating or Monday morning Quarterbacking the Doctrine of the Christ. You discover it by living it.
@YAJUN YUAN I have, I rejected it. Yes I’m Protestant, but I wanted to believe that Catholicism was correct, but the evidence I found anyway just didn’t support it.
Romans 12:10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honour one another above yourselves. Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. John 13: 34-35“ A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. We all love one God, one Christ and we should embrace the richness that Catholic, Orthodox and Protestants bring to the one Church. And should worship with each other in unity and full uninhibited pure love for each other in reverence for Christ who died for us all.
"...I'm uncomfortable with all of this feigned attention your giving me, I know its not authentic right now...". As an introvert I can identify. This is why I simply extend a handshake (non-bonecrushing haha) to visitors and keep it short like "welcome, I"m Jim, glad you're here" and move on unless they really seem to want to chat or ask questions.
Hot take: being a mere Christian requires being neither Catholic, Orthodox, nor Protestant by default. Edit: in the Kingdom Defense for the pyramid hierarchy of the papacy, have we forgotten that God's preferred method of government was unilateral judges from each tribe? The people asked for a king and were warned it was a bad, secular idea, but went ahead anyway, so God sanctioned it. I see this issue crop up a lot when the Roman Church is propped up against the Jewish legacy. It seems we're ignoring that many, many aspects of the Jewish story, from the golden calf to the bloated tyranny of Talmud (which Christ clearly despised), were actually signs of rebellion and foolishness. They may have been the chosen people, but they also choose poorly themselves time and time again. It was by looking to the head of Israel that the apostles were freed from legalism and despair, just as we should be looking up the head now to cut through all the extraneous human traditions that have cropped up around the faith and lodged between us. Please correct me if I'm off anywhere here. Further Edit: mad love for Trent Horn, the guy is a fervant warrior for truth... but I want to stand for the distinction between protestantism and mere Christianity. To be a Protestant is, by definition, to belong to the movement of protesting the Roman Catholic Church, typically from within or as an offshoot of it.
I’ll never be catholic because I disagree with their doctrine. But I can respect others for their faith. From one Christian to another (I’ll be it Protestant) I am glad others found happiness.
If my conversion experience did not so closely resemble what the Bible says is supposed to happen, when a person becomes born again, I might have considered becoming Catholic. Don Sears the Agnostic Who Met God. Like most Northwesterners, Don Sears was not an atheist. He thought there might be a God somewhere, but didn’t think there was anything we could know about Him for sure. He resented Christians who talked about Jesus Christ, and told them there was no difference between Bible stories and comic books. Don , however had a serious problem with rage and violence. As a young man growing up in Alaska, his idea of a good time was going to the Indian part of town, finding a big Indian, and provoking him to a fight. He was possessed by a fury that would flash at little or no provocation. It would erupt in him like a volcano, and would not be satisfied until he or his opponent lay bleeding and broken on the floor. His rages were so intense that sometimes he could not remember what had happened after he blew up. He was this way for over thirty years, and said it got to the point that he liked the feeling of bones breaking under his fists. He became involved with a business, and began studying their manuals on salesmanship. To his surprise he discovered that they used principles out of the Bible, and he began to wonder about the Bible. One Sunday he went to what he thought was a business meeting in Portland, Oregon, and was surprised to discover that it was actually a church service. He was even more surprised that he didn’t walk out in disgust, but listened to the message. He heard that Jesus Christ had died on the cross, paying the full penalty for Don ’s sins. He heard that He rose bodily from the dead, and now is offering a real salvation from sin to all who believe in Him. At the end of the service during the altar call Don felt an undeniable urge to go to the front and accept Jesus Christ as his Savior. Don , the angry agnostic walked down the aisle and genuinely gave his heart to Jesus Christ.* Years later I askedDon what it was that convinced him that this was real, and not just some emotional experience. He told me that the following week he was provoked by someone in a manner that had always caused him to erupt in a fury. This time, strangely, he did not get mad. He said he was surprised as he walked away, that he hadn’t beaten the daylights out of the fellow, but he just didn’t get mad. In fact, he told me, as time went on he discovered that he couldn’t get mad at people anymore. It was like someone had turned off a switch in his heart. He could still get mad at his car when it wouldn’t start, but not at people. Also, for all his life he had wanted nothing to do with Jesus Christ, Christians, church, the Bible, prayer, or anything “religious.” Now he discovered that his core likes and dislikes had been reversed, seemingly overnight. He wanted to know Jesus, pray to him, read the Bible, and amazingly he found he now loved being around Christians who genuinely loved the Lord Jesus Christ. This has been over twenty-five years ago, the rage has never returned, and his love for Jesus has never left him.*
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117) Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28 It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness. ‐---------- We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran. The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran : And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56) Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
I converted because I wanted truth. St. Ignatius of Antioch spoke truth to me. "Obey the bishops and avoid schism". That simple statement brought me home.
@@Spartanthermopylae as if you know anything of Christianity
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@Kristen - i hope you do understand that church fathers are not the authority :) we all love reading them, but o my gosh - they differed so much in their theology and while we hold them important, we do not rely on their interpretation and thinking. their writings are not authoritative.
The Bible is Truth.
@@TheNikolinho their writings are not authoritative, just like paul understanding differ from peter and james. Does that make u despise their writings as well? Their writings tell us the core of whats the main problem. For example, the doctrine that body and blood of christ is not mere symbol. ALL OF THEM AGREED ON THAT. It gives us understanding that it is the true one since it has been understood and believed so since the beginning. Christianity is never built upon books, because at the end, what makes christian separate from each other not that they dont read bible. Every christian quote it as their justification. BUT, the problem lies on who read and understand it right. Ask yourself, which one understand it right? If luther understanding is right on one issue, there is no way calvin is also right on the same issue that makes them differ, because if not, why separate then right? But agai, which one is? Your ownself understanding? 😂
Trent representing our Catholic faith well. Thank you for having him on Cameron! Great conversation.
@@Spartanthermopylae I'm getting curious: what is your standard in deeming what makes someone a christian and not? And - assuming you hold so Sola scriptura - how do you find that in scripture?
@@Spartanthermopylae How about we be charitable to one another we Catholics are Christian.
@@tony1685 where
Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks.
LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture.
Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words.
1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.)
On Black people
2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)"
@tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not
@@tony1685 1. Yes they did. Mary and all of the saints are alive. God is the God of Abraham, Jacob, etc - the God of the living. Revelations is explicit about this concept.
2. Jesus sent the apostles to forgive sins and gave Peter (the church) the explicit authority to forgive sins. Read your bible.
3. Sunday is the Lord's Day. Early Christians would go to temple on Saturday and then to their christian gatherings on the 8th day (the Lord's day - Sunday). You're just wrong. Calling Sunday the "sun worship day" is ridiculous - are you worshipping Saturn in Saturday? Is what is today Saturday even actually Saturday with changes in calendars over time?
When Cameron said he found Confession beautiful I was thrilled because I just went to confession today after more than two years without it due to the pandemic. Although I have known it since childhood it never fails to give a quiet peace. When I heard the priest say to me, at the end of the holy words of absolution, "I absolve you from your sins in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" for a second it hit me so powerfully, I was aware that at that very instant God in heaven has mercifully absolved me of all my past sins and the punishment due me. I was free and I felt light. Jesus truly gave us a powerful Sacrament for our healing. I was a different person when I left. I wish all people can have this and the Holy Eucharist.
Amen
Isn't it crazy what the human mind can imagine? It's amazing that people all over the world have experiences just like that for different religions.
@@Bc232klm It imagination. It is what Crist told "forging sins", the priest is forging just how Crist said.
Funny: Jesus Christ forgives me everyday : the priest said he forgives you in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
That's why I'll take Jesus forgiveness !
I'm pleased to say I had the beautiful peace of the Lord Jesus Christ every day during lockdown. It is He who died on the cross for me and is the great High Priest.
Why would you rely on a man, a sinner just like you when you can go straight to Jesus? It must break Jesus' heart.
Protestant apologist here. I’ve always loved Trent and watching him talk even if we disagree.
Like Trent, I like the fact that I can go to Catholic Mass without being approached by lots of people. I like to talk with people after Mass, but to me, the main purpose of the Mass is to worship God. I love the quieter approach with the candles, altar, crucifix, etc. It helps me to be more humble and pensive.
So you need all of the ornamentation and theatrics to worship? Pathetic obeisance and abasement are among the things that makes Catholicism so repugnant.
Same here. I was raised evangelical and one pet peeve I had about those churches is that there were people approaching you all the time on Sunday morning. One thing I like about Catholicism is that it is much more quiet and structured. Sure, I do believe that community is important in church, but it should not be too overemphasized, and it should not get to the point where it is more important than mass and worshipping God.
@@highroller-jq3ix i would rather have that than go to concert...
@@jesusstopsbullets5111 Blue olives snicker fabric subsequent aluminum snub.
Catholic Church is way easier on us introverts. But I fight my disposition and go to an Evangelical Church anyway
I am a convert, from agnostic. I still remember I prayed hard to God asking Him don’t send me to Catholic Church because I find Catholic Church boring and old (that was when I was naive and do not know how to appreciate the beauty of the Tradition). But I thank God for blessing me wisdom in my journey to Him…. I remember the only prayer I prayed daily was asking for wisdom in making decision, and that kinda lead me to the Catholic Church eventually. I still remember the day before my baptism, I ask God if He was joking for sending me to Catholic Church because I clearly don’t accept all the Catholic teaching. But with obedience I decided to dive in and get baptized into the Catholic Church. I learn more and more after baptism and God opened my mind to understand and appreciate the Church teaching. The understanding comes after having faith…. One cannot understand without first having faith. Just like Christianity, one cannot understand Christianity without first having faith in Jesus. Understanding will come after faith. And the cycle repeat as our understanding grow deeper, it further strengthen our faith.
Keep praying for wisdom, to know the Truth, to make the right decision, The Holy Spirit will move your mind and heart and trust in the guidance and take the leap of faith. All your hesitant and doubt will be cleared once u took the leap of faith.
If one keep waiting for the right reason before taking the leap… that won’t be called Faith. Peter followed Jesus before knowing Jesus is the Son of God, they just follow in obedience, the Truth revealed after. So whoever is waiting for the right reason to join the Catholic Church , don’t hesitate, just come, taste and see… the Truth will reveal itself.
How is Catholic church connected to Christianity? Don't they worship and depend on Mary and other gods? Don't they call a priest "Father" when it was clearly commanded not to. Catholic church prays to idol and dead humans (Mary, saints) instead of Jesus. They depend on witch doctors than asking Jesus for healing. They confess sins to priest when they can actually pray to God and ask forgiveness straight to God through Jesus, as the Bible says (it's as if saying Jesus is not enough). Doesn't Caholicism practice pagan practices like self-sacrifice (not necessarily dying but doing something..) as paying for their sins, even when the Bible says that forgiveness and salvation is through Jesus only. Doesn't Caholicism encourage praying Hail Mary 10x, our Father 5x, to be forgiven, even when the Bible says otherwise (which says Jesus isn't enough).
Is Catholicism really Christianity?
@@IamJamila0523 I have the same thoughts about Catholicism. I have issues with Protestants as well; e.g. five-point Calvinism. . . T.U.L.I.P..
In the end it seems to me that having a relationship with God is analogous to that of a healthy, human father son or daughter relationship. I love my father; I will always be his son no matter what I do. I can always say I am sorry and receive his forgiveness. I want to remember my father at all time and act in a manner that is becoming and consistent with my profession of loving him. . . never to bring shame upon him.
Likewise, God is my Holy, heavenly, Father, and because of what God has accomplished through Christ (God in the world reconciling the world to Himself), I am an adopted son of His; a joint heir with Christ; a branch grafted into the Vine (Christ) who is in the Father and both in me. I am part of the Body of Christ. And as such, It seems to me that this is what matters in the end. How can I go wrong with this in mind?
@@claudiolordino2192 everything you said was true. However, the catholic church are openly pagans, as they make it appear as seen in their prayers, in their rituals, in their worship, in their celebrations, in their accessories, basically this is not something hidden. they have a lot of practices that depend mostly on saints and other humans than on Jesus alone - the bible is clear though that He wants us to depend on Him, trust Him and love Him with all our hearts and minds. knowing this, it would seem very offensive to be a part of it and still say, "but God you know that I love you", all the more, claim that they are Christians. Christ-ian means you follow Christ.
So, it's kind of questionable if Catholicism really is Christianity. There's such a big difference from the way Christians practice and live their lives as followers of Christ.
@@IamJamila0523 My understanding of scripture brings me to the same conclusions you have. I can find no support for praying to anyone but the Father, through Christ. We can only pray that He will enlighten those who truly have a heart for The Master. Grace and peace.
@@IamJamila0523 So much words and every one of the points is false and without proper understanding of Catholic teachings. What can I say, dive deeper my sister, don't learn about Catholicism from protestants but Catholics. Because all of this points are low hanging fruits to refute.
Trent Horn has such a rare gift... Wow. Thank you, Cameron, for hosting this great conversation on your show! Praying for you :)
Trent wants what the Catholic Church offers, community and life after death in heaven.
Don't forget that God is a schizophrenic, multiple personality who demands from you endless praise and worship or He will cast you into the fiery pits of Hell.
I agree. He has a gift of making a poor argument appear to be strong. Dangerous
@@Spartanthermopylae nice try to be edgy
@@Spartanthermopylae what?
@@Spartanthermopylae Right.. so you think God used a false church with false beliefs to assemble the New Testament you read?
I come into the church next week. I’m excited 🥰🥰🥰and I’m also nervous because it’s been 2 years almost🙌🏽
Me too!!
Welcome home Mimi ❤️
Congratulations and welcome home! I joined 2 years ago and I was so nervous but that moment I had my first Communion, I broke down into tears. You'll remember that first moment forever ♥️
@@tony1685 I will become a Catholic and receive the sacraments of confirmation and Eucharist next week and by the grace of God I will remain a Catholic my entire life. God is good!
@@tony1685 Do you think this is an effective method to convert people?
This totally reminded me, of the infamous words of Father Stu. “ I’m here for worship not fellowship.” May God always bless you two.
You don't know what infamous means, do you?
I think Trent is quite similar to William Lane Craig. Really a genius, great debater, always prepared for any argument. Would like him to do some more debates with some prominent atheist scholars.
Lol
You can be a genius, great debater, prepared for argument guru, who doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you.
William Lane Craig is a genius and great debater? 🤣🤣😂😂😅🤣🤣🤣😂😅😅😂😂🤣😂😅😅😂🤣🥲
@@unturbe yep, generally guys who have 2 phd's written 30 books and hundreds of papers on the nature of time and debated every prominent atheist over the last 30 years. What are your credentials
Craig is an expert with words but can't deliver the goods.
He is useless to me.
Great interview, really enjoyed it. Cameron, you’re such a good host. Now it’s time for Reason&Theology to step in.
Thanks!
@@CapturingChristianity we had a recent discussion with Trent on my friend's UA-cam channel "a Goy for Jesus," where we discussed many of the same things you discussed with Trent. If you are interested, we provided Trent with some thought-provoking answers to many of his questions & objections, which he brought up in your interview with him:
ua-cam.com/video/-wfBOSSjqI8/v-deo.html ("How Protestants Argue Like Atheists According to Special Guest Trent Horn").
If you ever want to discuss this with Geoff & I, let me know. BTW, Trent & I debated on the canon in 2020, and we will be debating the Marian dogmas on April 20th at 1pm EST on "Pints with Aquinas" if you want to check it out. And I am a Catholic convert to Protestantism in April 2004.
@YAJUN YUAN Is it reasonable to understand that verse as only referring to the writing of the Apocalypse itself? "Before, now, and after," as in, the things being revealed to John there on Patmos in that vision? I've seen pretty compelling examinations of that book which display it as the full and complete resolution to scripture and world prophesy.
@YAJUN YUAN and you make it sound like although it isn't mentioned by Scripture that somehow we must model a church after something not Catholic as the church proposed in scripture. Luckily history isn't riddled with SDAs and neither your theology. And see how often you appeal to your own interpretation. Your interpretation < church fathers. Every. Single. Time.
@YAJUN YUAN no need. One can just read the prime sources. No apologetic spin required.
Protestants: Want Cam to stay Protestant.
Catholics: Want Cam to convert to Catholicism.
Orthodox: Want Cam to convert to Orthodoxy.
All of them can pray: God, let your will be done for Cam!
Edit: and may it be done for me!
@YAJUN YUAN isn't that imposing a non Catholic and non Orthodox POV apriori. Or do you mean you just seek non contradiction with scripture. Because that part is kinda easy.
@YAJUN YUAN one can hold to material sufficiency and reject each and every one of your interpretations
@YAJUN YUAN Scripture being materially sufficient doesn't mean it is formally sufficient in principle. Because the formal interpretations have been handed over. (Tradition) And if by some slim chance you happen to agree with every single tradition that was given by the apostles (with roots in scripture, good for you) now you must submit to the church as demanded by the same Scriptures. Perhaps consult the church that can actually bind the entire church like in Acts 15. Otherwise you just have a pretend church and a pretend magisterium.
@YAJUN YUAN The magisterium can read scripture and bind people in rare circumstances against faulty interpretations. Most often this is not needed. Because like you said. Seeming contradictions do arise. Seeming. And this leads to fighting. Only the highest authority can definitively stop this fighting. One such seeming contradictions to you may be that Christians worship on the Sabbath. The early church fathers, tradition and scripture attest to Sunday worship. Your faulty interpretation dispute this. In your mind there is a seeming contradictions. But note how I can know the truth by consulting either the church fathers as a whole, the Scriptures with their interpretation (traditional) or a council to know what the truth is. However if I see q dispute, I should side with the binding authority.
@YAJUN YUAN The Magisterium is part of what was handed over (Tradition) they need not contradict. What was handed over to the early church bishops was the sacraments (and these are attested to in Holy Scriptures although we get a glimpse at them) Scriptural interpretation and methodology was handed over as well. The magisterium was also handed over. So ultimately one can say sola tradition and one would be correct in the sense that one holds to *what was handed over by the apostles*
Say however confusion erupts over what was actually handed over by the apostles. Orthodox historically had councils Catholics still have councils. So now the magisterium lays the truth down. So in that sense prima magisterium is the groundwork. Although, it plays a minor role in many day to day spiritual activities for the believers. But then one can also say so much of what Catholics believe are merely truths stated in scripture and everything we believe can be backed up with scripture. Does this make us prima scriptura? For each and every one of our doctrines you better believe we will cite scripture. Strange. Almost like all 3 play a major role.
Trent is a smart fellow. And is a great defender of the faith
@@tony1685 agreed. He is also a false teacher.
Tony is the 7th Day Adventurer who keeps coming to Catholic sites because his cult keeps making him 😡. Image how angry his convicted plagiarist glorious leader Ellen G White was when her classmates kept calling her the daughter of Satan. One of her classmates was so convinced she was possessed he threw a rock at her head permanently disfiguring her face and putting her in a coma for 2 weeks.
LOL a SDA cult follower telling us to stick to scripture.
Just 2 quotes from your prophetess Ellen G Whites own words.
1. Prayer for the Sick" "1021. We should first find out if the sick one has been withholding tithes or has made trouble in the church.--U. T." (Healthful Living, page 237, paragraph 4.)
On Black people
2. "But there is an objection to the marriage of the white race with the black. All should consider that they have no right to entail upon their offspring that which will place them at a disadvantage; they have no right to give them as a birthright a condition which would subject them to a life of humiliation. The children of these mixed marriages have a feeling of bitterness toward the parents who have given them this lifelong inheritance. For this reason, if there were no other, there should be no intermarriage between the white and the colored race.--Manuscript 7, 1896." (Selected Messages, Book 2, page 343 paragraph 2-page 344 paragraph 0.)"
@tony do you agree with your deluded demon possessed prophetess if Yes. Why? If No why not
@@tony1685 ah yes, because the true faith was finally created 1509 years after Christ
@@sneakysnake2330 :D :D :D
@@tony1685 protestant pretending isn't Christianity. It's man's wannabe version of Christianity with made up versions based on a person's desire and personal interpretation of the Bible. Barely Christian
I joined the Catholic Church in 1978, aged 19, towards the end of the Paul VI pontificate. I had struggled with Anglicanism for some time and come to feel deep down that the Anglican church was not quite right. I started to attend the Catholic Church in the autumn of 1977, and was received the following April. I have never looked back. Nowadays if I go into an Anglican church, for instance for a funeral, I experience a feeling of emptiness. I had visited the Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham [England's main Marian Shrine] several times as an Anglican when I was 17/18 and I believe this may have played a part in my conversion although there were other factors. Praise Jesus Christ Our Lord. Ave Maria.
This is a very good case for Catholicism by Trent Horn. And a rare disposition to Catholicism by a Protestant in the person of Cameron Bertuzzi. Thanks Cameron for being so gracious to Catholicism. God bless you.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@hazyexpress5607 it covers both Christianity and Catholicism.As Christianity takes Jesus peace be upon him as God and catholics also incorporate Mary. By the way can you show me on Verse in the bible where Jesus peace be upon him states the trinity the way you have stated it.
@@hazyexpress5607 I and my father are one."
This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:
"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."
John 10:23-30
In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand.
Need more proof? Then read:
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."
John 17:20-22
Is all of mankind also part of the "Trinity"?
Such terminology can be found in many other places, read for example:
"Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit,"
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
And also
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Ephesians 4:6
And
"For as the (human) body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many."
1 Corinthians 12:12-14
Once we read the above verses and understand what the message was that Paul was trying to get across, then we can begin to understand his words in such places as
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Ephesians 4:4
"St. Paul" was speaking about Christian unity, not about a plurality of gods merged into one body. As we shall soon see, he was completely ignorant of where his teachings would later lead, and how decades later, they would be the foundations which would spawn the "Trinity" doctrine.
@@hazyexpress5607 in relation to the Mathew quote I checked and where does it says Jesus said and in ration to it only says say baptise in the name... not I ascribing divinity
@@hazyexpress5607 isiah 7 14 states : Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. There is no place here where it states the Lord is with us. This is simply a prophecy of Jesus peace be upon him and not of the trinity. The Jews did not see this verse as some sort of man God of what you claim to come to earth but of a prophet. In relation to the other verse you added yourself "Jesus said" . I checked the verse no where it states Jesus said
Much respect for Cameron for having Trent on this channel! You are really looking for the truth.
He is only looking to uphold his confirmation bias. He constantly asserts that his pet ideology is true.
I love how Trent mentioned introvert and interactions with catholics when you go into the church. Lol!
I love the contemplative aspect of the church.
Sitting quietly... doing nothing.
@@JamesRichardWiley You don't have to have verbal or physical expressions to contemplate on God's greatness and goodness.
@@johnprentice1474 trying to appeal to modernism instead of the timeless beauty of the ancients. Check out this topic in video below.
ua-cam.com/video/1T35glENMyQ/v-deo.html
@@JamesRichardWiley Why the sense of hostility if nothing? Could it be that this perception of nothing is not really nothing, but something powerful?
@@johnprentice1474
Find a Traditional Latin Mass and go to it.
Meet some people there and find your way back.
The TLM restored and renewed my faith in the Catholic Church too.
I'm a cradle Catholic.
Fantastic episode! Helped me alot on my way Home to the Catholic church! ❤️ Thank you Cameron and Trent! 🙏🏻
Welcome home brother ❤️☦️
Safe in the arms of Jesus! Good for you.
Can you not see the many flaws in what he says?
@@ProfYaffle can you not see flaw and incoherence in Protestant thought? Everyone with a unique theology. Everyone reinventing the faith in their own denominations. Everyone constantly fighting over doctrine without defined dogma. Calvinist vs Lutherans vs Wesley vs Mormon vs JW. How do you know you interpreted the scriptures correctly when almost no one agrees on the interpretation?
@@christopherlampman5579 or look at it another way, everyone is seeking truth, discussing, debating. I find it fascinating the differences between calvinist, anglican, lutheran (I think you know that Mormon and JW are heretical cults invented by men - not Christian). I don't fight with Methodists, or Anglicans - in fact, I don't fight with Catholics. But I do use the brain God gave me to question and check - because on judgement day, when Jesus asks why I did or believed such and such a thing, I shan't be saying, "because he told me so" but I shall say, "I wrestled for the truth and from the evidence, this seemed to be correct".
You guys have made it into a problem that we have different ideas, but it isn't a problem. It is how we learn. The way to not learn is just to believe what someone says and ignore all argument. That's what Muslims do. That's what JWs do. That's what Mormons do. They are not allowed to disagree - and if they leave the faith, they are ostracised. Clearly dodgy.
You and Trent Horn are such blessings. Praying for your faith and journey 🙏🏻
Glovai
Trent: I watched the Hanna Barbara cartoons
Cameron: what is that, on UA-cam?
Trent: I watched them on VHS
Cameron: interesting. And what is this VHS you speak of?
It stands for Very High Speed internet. It was when they stored internet in those little black rectangular boxes. This was back when they had paper versions of websites called "boks".
@@tomemery7890 🤣
@@tomemery7890 I still remember VHS being around when I grew up. I still remember always watching The Lion King on VHS.
Ignatius of Antioch. In his second-century letter to the church in Smyrna, he wrote, “Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8, 1 [A.D. 110]).
So what? Paul warned about false teachers in 50 AD. In fact you can trace your Babylonian religion back Nimrod the real first Pope
@@pianoplayer2260 how about you bring facts and logic instead of your build a bear feelings
@@rpgfeatures793 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:16-18 KJV - Paul 68 AD
My point is just because someone has religious authority doesn't mean they're doctrinely correct.
@@rpgfeatures793 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Philippians 3:18-19 KJV
You think it's impossible for a church father to be a false teacher?
@@rpgfeatures793 So does Augustine teaching no free will mean Calvinism is the historic position?
I just stumbled upon this video whilst searching for a 'Catholic' presentation for spiritual nourishment during Lent. I initially thought it was one Catholic interviewing another, until towards the end. One of the things that struck me as very positive was the mutual respect shown here - I recall a more confrontational time when some Protestants could be somewhat hostile to Catholics, at least intellectually. I also really enjoyed the intellectual aspects of what was discussed during the interview. New subscriber here, and may God bless you and your work🙏
Many protestants spit down right vitriol at us Catholics still.
I really enjoyed this conversation Cameron. Praying for you. All the best 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Trent appeals to me ... being a cradle catholic, my rational quotient is addressed by his videos.. thanks for having him..
Why do people feel the need to downvote the video just for interviewing someone about his own personal journey?
@@Devious_Dave I was wondering the same thing
Wait, I do remember that there is a way you can still see dislikes: I saw it on The Critical Drinker.
Protestants get mad when Catholics know their bibles lol
It's because prots don't like hearing that Catholics actually have the truth.
@@Devious_Dave Get a google extension
I love that there was Ben Watkins just off screen listening to the whole conversation.
@YAJUN YUAN A well reasoned Atheist who is open to discussions about Theism and Christianity.
who else went for the traditional latin mass triduum this Lenten period?? i DID and it was HAUNTINGLY BEAUTIFUL!! i love being catholic! Deo Gratias
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 we don’t believe in your cult leader, Muhammad was not anywhere close to Jesus Christ, that man was a disgusting liar Jesus Christ is lord, he said before Abraham was I AM, in exodus chapter 3 god utters his divine name to Moses I AM WHO I AM
Gosh, I’ve been a Catholic my whole life (66) and I feel as if I know a drop in the bucket compared to Trent. Great conversation.
I wasn't expecting Trent to hype up the Hanna-Barbera Bible cartoons. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one. They are great! So is Trent.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him..
This conversation is fantastic. Thanks for posting
Cameron, my answer to your question of advice for someone (like yourself) who is thinking about becoming Catholic because of its beauty and drawing awesomeness is: recognize that aesthetics is secondary to piety; that is, that the virtues of religion and piety (which fall under justice, i.e. giving God His due) is primary. Therefore, becoming Catholic is not really up to your consideration, it is your primary duty as a human being, totally focused on God.
“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more *that which leads must be followed* , for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors. What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins
I don't focus on a mass murderer of the unborn or his son who sends people by the millions into eternal damnation.
Greetings to all from a free thinking atheist.
@@JamesRichardWiley what nonsense are you going on about ?
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 Mohammad is a false prophet and is burning in hell for all eternity. His revelation in the cave was from a demon, not the Archangel Gabriel. The Qur’an is inspired by the Devil. You are decidedly on the road to eternal perdition if you remain a Mohammedan.
Jesus is God incarnate. There is no other way to the Heaven except through Him. I pray you come to see the light and leave that wicked false religion that is Mohammedanism. The real believers in ‘islam’ are Catholics. Pax.
Cristus resurrexit, resurrexit vere; alleluia!
The introvert aspect alone has me thinking about becoming Catholic. 😂
I'm actually not even joking though.
Edit - I've still never found a church that isn't trying enough to where I feel out of place. I've fairly recently (last couple of years) become a believer after decades of atheism and then agnosticism. I'm not very concerned with doctrinal issues unless it's something that is blatantly illogical or wrong because I'm not looking for someone to tell me what to think but how to better think. I love music but not so much concerts. I am easily annoyed by pushy attempts to exite me. I need good, in depth theology/philosophy in a loving but calm and peaceful environment. The church absolutely needs to be doing good for the community and world more than anything. Tithing isn't to pay for our own enjoyment but to do God's work.
Any suggestions is appreciated.
I can honestly say that the introvert aspect played a large part in my conversion.
Since you’re asking for suggestions, I recommend watching Bishop Barron’s series “Catholicism”. You can get a free trial on his word on fire site to watch it for free. Also, Catholic Answers YT channel and site is good if you have specific questions about Catholicism. I became Catholic a couple years ago, was an atheist/agnostic for most of my life. God bless
Dude so funny! For my wife and I is the same! We love the calm and respectful ambient in Mass rather than a noisy and moving environment, we are indeed introverts and don’t like being noticed. Rather we like to be there worshiping God internally.
But is different for everyone, I don’t think Protestant churches are worshipping less or more by being more energetic, just different.
I think the right way would’ve been for the Protestants to have remained in communion with the Church, and became a religious order, rather than something separate.
But anyways, just keep praying to God to guide you where you should go. Let it be His will! And God bless you in your way!
No other organization on earth feeds more hungry, clothes more naked, and cares for more sick than the Catholic Church
I guess Hillsong and Bethel and other charismatic churches arent a thing for you xD (and IMO -it shouldnt be for anyone- it should be for nobody lol)
May I ask, what changed your mind about Atheism?
Aw, look at all the angry Protestants disliking this video simply out of bias towards Catholicism. I bet so many immediately sped to the comments to say Catholicism is unbiblical and we are idolaters.
No and yes.
@YAJUN YUAN Uh, Trent did say "before his ascension." He's obviously not claiming that Jesus didn't want the Bible to be written. Catholics are bound by the Magisterium to believe in biblical inspiration. It's not an optional opinion. He's talking about what Jesus seems to emphasize. Jesus rarely mentions writing the Gospels and never gives any indication that believers should treat the future Gospels as the "sole infallible rule of faith," whereas he constantly instructs us to contribute to and submit ourselves to the Church. So clearly there isn't any biblical warrant for sola scriptura. This is not an either/or proposition - like most things, for Catholics it's a both/and thing. Scripture vs. tradition is a false dilemma that serves no purpose other than to attack the authority of the sole remaining Apostolic successors. The burden of proof isn't on the Catholic Church to prove that both the things Jesus recommended are worthwhile. The Bible itself has already demonstrated that Jesus seems to think of the Church as the central focus of worship and as a singular, hierarchical organization, so the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that it's not any of those things, that Jesus only wanted us to use Scripture, and that he didn't really mean all those things he said about the Church.
@YAJUN YUAN Btw somehow I knew you'd be on here within hours, twisting Trent's words in the hopes of throwing a stumbling block out there for discerning protestants to trip over.
Papists are idolatrous pagan dogs.
Jesus started Catholic church.
This might be the most interesting conversation I’ve listened to on Christian issues relating to which group one should belong to. Really impressed with Trent’s defence for choosing to be catholic. Inspiring and definitely food for thought.
Fast forward one year... Welcome to Catholicism Cameron ! The true Church of God.
Jesus Christ is the church, not Peter
@@aureum7479 Jesus, yeah, the Almighty Guy who said "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church." I would start listening to Him if I were you.
Wow as a Protestant I love hearing your conversations and enjoying it.I listened to he Historian and Romeo that so many knowledge about the history and tradition. It’s so beautiful and amazing.
I wish more people with different beliefs can have this kind of dialogue. Instead of hostile us vs them attitude.
It's called drama and is pleasing to God.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
Every Catholic Church is beautiful
No. The Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in LA is terrible.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
Being Catholic, it’s not only the beautiful churches but it’s also the solemnity of being inside in front of the Altar. The presence and peace you feel in front of the Tabernacle. The forgiveness of sin at the sacrament of Reconciliation and feelings of your love for the Holy God. And God making you feel of His presence when you are forgiven of your sins.
Having a purpose to serve your loving Holy God the Father.
When one is holy, you can actually hear God speak to you if you know or learn how to listen, and will have peace, joy and satisfaction.
If Roman Catholicism is a religion of peace so is Islam.
It's crazy how much blood was shed by devout Roman Catholics like Mary I, Philip of Spain, and Hitler who was not negatively spoken of by the current pope.
@@pianoplayer2260that’s a laughable objection to Catholicism. You could make that exact same argument about Protestantism as well. Protestants enslaved the Catholic people of Ireland. Just because self-described “Catholics” did bad things doesn’t mean Catholicism itself is bad. Be careful about the arguments you make. Also, I’m Catholic, but I don’t think Protestantism is inherently bad because people who identified as Protestant were slave-owners.
@@JW-sg7tt Most Protestants are lost religious people just like Catholics. I'm consistent in my beliefs. Any protestant church state religion like Anglicanism or Calvinism is of the devil. The Puritans came to America to get away from the Church of England (Anglican).
I don't think in terms as you're Protestant or Catholic, but rather saved and lost professing Christians.
I'm not like Gavin Ortland, I don't about being a protestant apologist. I associate myself with the bible-believing Christians who are and always will be a remnant on the strait and narrow path. No church is perfect, but when you have blood on your hands associating with a church that is a system that does not have God's stamp of approval.
If a protestant was also a part of the KKK, or if protestants enslaved Catholics, or if Bloody Mary killed almost 300 protestants that only proves that most all of professing Christianity is wrong and they are not living by the scriptures. Catholicism is among the many false religions in my view.
@@JW-sg7tt Question: How can the largest church in all of Christendom with 1 Billion+ people be among the FEW that are on the straight and narrow? Not only that, but was that also true in middle ages when the Roman Catholic church dominated Europe? This "Catholic awakening" going on right now on UA-cam only helps prove that Catholicism is on the broad path. The majority in bible is almost never in the right. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. Matthew 7 Catholic Answers' explanation does not refute this idea: "Well, it is Our Lord who calls himself the way and the gate elsewhere in the gospels. So he is the “narrow way.” He is teaching us that his way of salvation is the only true one, and this way is identical with himself. This is what is meant by “narrow.” So one does not reach Christ simply by following broad human opinion or custom but by clinging to him alone. Consider also that the Savior’s beloved disciple St John tells us in his first epistle that God is love. So the narrow way which is Christ is the way of love. This is the way of the cross, the way of the saints who left all to follow Christ." www.catholic.com/qa/how-to-interpret-matthew-713-14
I kept wanting to interject...The Eucharist! The Sacrament of Holy Communion which gives us the real presence of Christ, the Transubstantiation. That is the difference between Protestantism and our Catholic Church. By the way, I grew up Southern Baptist, and I am a late life convert. As to what we are expected to do, for me it is easy...just follow, obey, and emulate Christ.
Welcome to Catholicism. The Eucharist, indeed, is the best and most glorious part of our Faith. The best part about it is that it’s true :)
Welcome home! I'm a cradle Catholic and always have admired the intense study and grappling converts go through. I'm doing the Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz and I can't get enough of our faith. It is endless beauty.
Amen! Rome, sweet home.
Although I see and respect Trent Horn and our Catholic friends, I became Orthodox at the end of the day, please pray that this schism one day ends ☦❤⛪
Amen ✝️
I may have come to the Catholic conclusion but I think both people who considered Orthodoxy and Catholicism can conclude how ridiculous the Protestant position is.
@@jackdaw6359 agreed, although God loves them as much as the next sinner, they should join the one true church
@YAJUN YUAN indeed, but calling people stupid is not true, more like ignorant
Christ: “If they are not against you, they are with you.”
Also Christ: “If they are not with me, they are against me.”
Schism is a paradox, God help our pride in every division be resolved. Honestly there is no schism between most Catholics and Orthodox, what remains is a vague, political, abstract notion of difference where 99% of the rest of the planet would have absolutely no idea the difference between us.
I just subscribe to you, Cameron. I believe I am just one Catholic now who loves you because of your humility and openness to Catholicism, the original Christianity.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 , how about reading the Bible, too?
Congratulations on the new setup!
Great interview. God bless you both.
Everyone should be Catholic
Amen. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.
True!!!
AMEN!
Amen!
That was a great conversation and something I have never heard before. Since it occurred before Cameron's conversion, I can see the commonality because he was already on the road to conversion. Still, it was a very helpful talk for my own good being Catholic myself.
Paul never looked for Mary, much less prayed to her, so why should anyone....
One mediator... That's biblical
If you're considering Catholicism, try RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults) at a local Catholic Church. You do not need to commit to a conversion but simply follow the journey of learning the truth about the Catholic Church in fellowship with other discerners.
If you're considering Catholicism, study the Jesuits and their oath.
As a cradle Filipino 🇵🇭 Catholic my faith in God is WEAKENING. Although I also think Atheism is FOOLISHNESS since Life is so SHORT.
Why weakening?
I think that calling people greeting you in protestant churches "not authentic" is a little bit biased. I usually see that people in this service show a real enthusiasm and happiness over your presence in the church. That's actually pretty uncommon in today's world, and it aligns well with Paul saying to always rejoice :)
I am also an introvert, but personally prefer to see happy faces changed by God's presence in their lives :)
Enjoy listening to Trent even though im not catholic. #Protestant.
What reasons make you protestant might I ask? I ask purely to converse as a convert myself to Catholicism from non-denominational background. Interested to hear
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
The original Christian religion is when Orthodox and Catholic were one religion
Negative. There were many "denominations" loyal to the faith before Orthodox or Catholic ever existed. The most well known and documented to the extreme is what we today call baptists.
@@SalvusGratiumFidem Baptists church was only formed in 1638. Next.
@@frisc0pn0ib0i I didn't say baptists of today. I said what we today call baptists. They go back to the 1st century. Today's baptists are the closest to what the early church fathers taught.
@@SalvusGratiumFidem I would investigate that claim. Maybe start by looking into baptismal regeneration, episcopal polity, and the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
@@SalvusGratiumFidem ah yes, because the early church fathers taught sola scriptura, that the Eucharist is a symbol, and that baptism doesn’t save lol.
I hope you can get there Cameron. I agree with your sentiment about confession. It is a great and extremely necessary Sacrament.
@@tony1685 he is obviously reading the Bible. It can lead people to Catholicism as we see with people like Keith Little, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Aiken.
@@tony1685 I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God is not a God of the dead but a God of the living! You are sorely mistaken. Let the dead go and bury their dead.
@The Batman well I read the bible and am just fine sitting in a pew every week. Can't wait for Holy week its right around the corner.
@@tony1685 I believe in the ressurexrion of the body on the last day also. But that doesn't mean the Saints are dead. When Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. I believe if we follow him we will not die but have eternal life and he will raise us o. The last day.
@@tony1685 Jesus rise on the First day of the week which is Sunday. He fulfilled the old creation and on Sunday he started a New Creation with a new covenant in Sunday. So thats when we celebrate. You can read Justin Martyrs first apology to see the church near Jerusalem in 150 Ad meets on Sunday.
Realizing that Protestants have a lot of traditional misunderstandings about Paul has impacted a lot of my theology(though I am still a Protestant).
The best way we can learn from the Apostles is by their students. "By their fruits, you shall know them," as we read in scripture. Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, and a few others are good sources of what Orthodox Christianity really is. Saint Paul's letters, beautiful as they are, do not go into authority structure, doctrine, etc because they had no need. Everyone accepted that the Apostles had authority since they were the direct students of Jesus Christ. But once their successors had taken over, nefarious elements lead to minor heresies that needed correcting, ergo the letters.
I recommend Ignatius of Antioch and Clement of Rome if you want a good idea on it, but don't be afraid to read from them all. Their letters are as long as Paul's, so they aren't going to set you back a month.
See where the spirit leads you and be open to that path is my only advice.
Not only Trent- but now, Cameron is Catholic too. Blessings
Now it's time for Trent to make one more step, by God's grace, towards Protestant theology, faith and practice😊
During the part (min 23) where he was talking about the Pope and brought up the fact that there was a king of Israel. My Mind instantly went to the fact that Isreal wasn’t supposed to have a king but because they were not listening to the Prophet of God they demanded there be a king. “Later, Samuel gave a farewell speech that would also address this issue, saying, “I will call on the Lord to send thunder and rain. And you will realize what an evil thing you did in the eyes of the Lord when you asked for a king”
“Why was asking for a king wrong? The Lord was to be the ruler of Israel. God led the people through Moses and Aaron, and then through priests and judges raised up to govern the people. In Samuel’s time, the people began to worry about who the next leader would be, since Samuel’s sons did not follow the Lord. Their request for a king was a rejection of God’s way of leadership over them.
“Another reason it was wrong to ask for a king is that the Israelites did so in order to be like “all the other nations.” God had created Israel as a unique people. He was their leader. When the Israelites wanted a king like other nations had, they were rejecting their unique, set-apart position as God’s people. The nation whose God was to be the Lord alone was envious of the nations who followed false gods.”
It seems scriptural that God set up a church in a specific way. Christ as the head and under him bishops (who are equal) and so on.
There was a bishop who was the first among equals, St Peter
@YAJUN YUAN you are arguing a Catholic conspiracy?
@@koppite9600 Paul picked by Jesus himself!
@YAJUN YUAN do you know what having the keys of heaven means for St Peter?
It was a position in Israel and Jesus gave it to Peter.
If you study tradition you would know
@@davidjanbaz7728 Peter was given the keys of heaven.
The Catholic church has 12 apostles including Matthew and Paul which should make it 13 but Paul and Peter share the same seat so 12.
I think Trent's question, "Where is that church today?" is a very good question. If we can indeed trace Catholicism back to the original apostles, then that will be very interesting.
But my question now is, what if that church through the centuries of its existence made some errors in its doctrines that seem contradictory with Scripture (the highest Christian authority)?
Would it still be worth following that church? Should we just correct the church of its errors? What if that church insists on its errors? Should we then divide ourselves from that church like the Reformation?
Your presupposition is that scripture is "the highest christian authority" . This is a core belief amongst the vast majority of Protestants and is usually taken for granted, but when you research this idea, you find that it is not historical, logical, nor even scriptural, but rather was invented very late in the game.
If you decide that one of the church's teachings is indeed contradictory to scripture, what you are really saying is that you have decided that the church's teaching is contradictory to your own, or an individuals interpretation of scripture, which is actually making yourself, or that individual, the highest authority and ultimate arbiter of truth. The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is indeed authoritative, infallible, etc, but that it interacts with the apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the apostolic lineage to ensure the proper interpretation and application of the scriptures.
On our own we are all able to err , but the Holy Spirit guides the Apostolic church in its entirety, as the body of Christ into all truth. On our own, left up to our own interpretations, we can end up very off-track. Scripture can be unclear and even quite confusing and can be interpreted an infinite number of ways. We see this in the Protestant community today as the number of denominations grows perpetually and new ideas and beliefs come and go fluidly. We also see this in 2Peter 3:15 : "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness.
I suggest you look more into the origins of flaws in Sola Scriptura and the Catholic teachings on church authority. If you like Trent Horn, he does have plenty of excellent treatments on both of these subjects. So does Jimmy Akin.
@@sj21393The church fathers argument is extremely overrated. Did not Paul warn about false teachers in 50 AD?
Irenaeus has some pseudo-Catholic statement. So what? You don't think wolves can't get in because of their credentials?
I suggest you study the Jesuits. Alberto Rivera was a real Jesuit priest and he has exposed how evil Jesuitism is. Doubt me? The proof is in "Is Alberto for Real?".
Why not also read the Jesuit oath?
Do you actually care about truth? Don't call me a conspiracy theorist, research yourself.
Also, was Jan Hus a separated brother?
Trents explanation of what someone should do with interest in something is beautiful, if we lived out something we are interested in to try it you'll know for a fact whether it's for you. This is exactly how I converted from atheism to protestantism then protestantism to Catholicism
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Does anyone feel like the most genuine part of our faith is that the moment before the cross roads? The moment of our confession. which by the way is being done in all throughout all denominations.
“The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:11-14
@YAJUN YUAN you mean all 613 if you're going to keep the Jewish Sabbath.
My boy Trent always repping the catholic faith well!
Study the Jesuits for about Catholicism
Just want to say...this video looks awesome. Great job on look and lighting; very captivating. Great discussion too. Keep it up. 👍👍
When will Jesus come...please.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Lol, I don't think I've ever seen Trent with glasses
I knew from my heart that Catholic church is the true church.
Great Interview. Could've listened another hour!!
Protesting Catholicism is an essential trait of Protestantism. If you are not protesting, you are not Protestant. Rather, y are in a part of a whole new thing reinventing the wheel.
I really enjoyed this! Thanks for having Trent on Cameron. 🙏
Trent is truly a great defender of his faith.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 🙄
One critique: there are 3 Major Umbrella Groupings to choose from, but in Protestantism, even just in my County of Ohio, there are dozens of Denominations to pick from, each with a very distinct Theology and Ecclesiology.
Interesting views. To me as an outsider it sounds that to be a Christian sounds awfully wordy and full of mental assertions. I mean it is rare for a person these days to just simply accept an entire Catholic catechism. If we are thinking for ourselves why would we? When I go into a beautiful church it is lovely to see the imagery and light a candle; there is a peace there. But sometimes as soon as I get involved in heavy theological discussions it ruins it.
This is brilliant for me. Thank you.
Update: I’m now a nihilist.
I think Trent's distinction between Mere Christianity and Protestantism is correct. Accepting just the core tenets mentioned in the video (Belief in God and Jesus as his Son) does not equal Protestantism. Protestantism is more than that. For example, the idea of treating the 66 books as the only valid scriptures is a Protestant idea. However, a Mere Christian could believe in the deuterocanonical books of the Bible whereas a Protestant would reject them. I'm not saying that all Mere Christians would accept all or any of these books but my point is simply that they could. So, that's one example that can show the difference.
@YAJUN YUAN really makes you think doesn't it. A Mere Christian could even accept the SDA as a legitimate or illegitimate church with the same reason and love for God.
@YAJUN YUAN They could but once they did, they'd no longer be Mere Christians.
@@jackdaw6359 You're not getting my point. The point is a Mere Christian isn't initially bound by any other doctrines, teachings, traditions or books. However, if one accepts the SDA as legitimate, they would no longer be a Mere Christian.
@@Kristian-ql8zw no, I understand your point. You made it very well.
@YAJUN YUAN What is your definition of Mere Christianity? My point is that Mere Christians simply accept the core tenets of Christianity. I am describing what they ARE while you seem to want to define what they SHOULD be.
“For that holy and prudent man knew that to admit the notion of piety is nothing other than that everything is received by faith from the fathers and consigned by the same faith to the sons and not our religion, which we want that leads, but more that which leads must be followed, *for it is proper to Christian modesty and gravity not to pass on his own beliefs to those who come after him, but to serve that which is accepted by his ancestors.* What then was the issue of the whole matter? What but the usual and customary one? Antiquity was retained, novelty was rejected.” -St. Vincent of Lerins
Is it just me, or does Trent look like Mark Ruffalo with glasses on 😅
It’s kinda funny, Trent looked at people to get knowledge about Christianity. I am 17 and now he is the person who people like I am looking at to get information about Catholicism 🙏
That's awesome! Be sure to study all the way back to the church fathers. God bless you 🙏
I'm cradle Catholic so I can't tell, but I love saints and our nouns. Some of who I knew were so holly...brings me back to my childhood years when I just think about them, to years when things were so simple.
When I was a child I thought as a child...
It’s important to take the time to educate yourself well enough to understand your faith and be able to defend it. Catholicism is beautiful, yes. And the answers are all there I’d you truly look.
The Protestant Exodus is real. Countless Christians find home in the fullness of faith, the historical Christian faith ❤️
Don't worry our Jesuit brothers and sisters will bring all religions back to Rome one day.
Hey Cameron, I definitely recommend speaking with Dr. Jordan B. Cooper as you consider the protestant/catholic dynamic. It’s important that you consider higher protestant traditions that affirm and practice real presence, baptismal regeneration, and liturgy lest you associate those with Roman Catholicism by default
But regarding the Real Presence, not just anyone can turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. One needs sacred orders, the laying on of hands, in continuity with the apostles to do this, so only the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church's priests can do it.
@@clarissa7428 the power of consecration lies in the words of institution and the promise of God, not in some internal charism of the clergy
@@secundemscripturas992 Those are necessary but not sufficient.
@@secundemscripturas992 so I, a layman, can concentrate the host just by saying the words of institution? Also, did Luther not perform his own version of "papal" infallibility after he got rid of sacraments?
@YAJUN YUANwell we will just continue to disagree, since the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have never thought all sacraments are the same. Since they are different sacraments, they have different requirements. Why would we expect otherwise?
I loved Hanna-Barbera's "The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible" series. Nothing rivals it to this day.
Both of these guys talking about Sola Scriptura being historically essential for Protestantism and me sitting here as an Anglican with our historical understanding of Prima Scriptura😅
@YAJUN YUAN Article 6, although the phrase “Prima Scriptura” is not used explicitly
@@samuelaylmer804 How does article 6 differ from Sola scriptura
@@aajaifenn because it says that the main canon is sufficient for salvation and doctrine, but not for life and morals since the other cannon can be used for this. So one could argue it’s very similar with SS but it’s not the same strict interpretation compared to other Protestants.
@@samuelaylmer804 isn't the article saying that the other canon can be used for edification and devotion and can be read in church for that purpose but that the main canon can be used for edification and devotion AND in addition for establishing doctrine that binds the conscience .The main cannon has this additional ability that the lesser dosent .
Question: I went to Catholic school, I was an alter boy, I am VERY familiar with the church.
While my personal experience at Catholic school and as an alter boy were both absolutely wonderful, honestly zero complaints…
As an adult, I could not get over the atrocities the Catholic Church had done and the evil monsters they protected.
To this day I can’t.
I love a LOT of what the Catholic Church can be, but I can not turn a blind eye to what it has been.
I do not believe an institution that has perpetuated such evil can hold the earthly authority of God. I can not conceive how that would be possible.
I know the Catholic Church teaches that humans can lose favor with God, if that is true, how has the Church itself not lost favor? Or kept it's authority? If it ever had any actual authority.
My loss of faith in the church did not cause a loss of faith in God. Every church could be wrong or evil and God can still exist.
I have been to many churches since. Some good, some awful, but none that has felt 100% true or complete.
I'm 45 years old now, I’m not sure if a “true” church exists in this world any more. If it does, I would love to find it, but if I can’t, that will not change my faith in God.
I can not let my desire for community or tradition allow me to overlook atrocities.
I’m genuinely curious how you can, or how anyone can.
I understand that may not seem like a nice question, but it is a fair one.
If anyone here can answer that, please do. I am humbly curious.
I take this topic the same way I take my nationality. I don’t deny my nationality and I live in community despite the atrocities of our country’s shared history.
Why not try (as an exercise) to rewrite most of your comment as if your were talking about your nationality and not your religion. For example I wonder how they can be proud to be add here > Americans, or French or Mexicans or whatever when they have done this atrocious things to Blacks, or Indigenous people or Jews, etc etc etc
I have come to accept that it doesn’t matter what community “label” I attach to my name, there isn’t a clean label. You can be a Catholic or an Atheist or anything for that matter and your conscience will object to things that group of people have done in the name of their beliefs. Hope that helps. Pray, meditate and contemple.
@@calmontes651 Hello, thank you for taking the time to reply. To answer your question, these are VERY different scenarios.
Nationality is where you were born, you have no choice in that. Hate it or love it, I was born in the United States. That is my nationality. Thankfully, I was born into a country where I can freely express my like or dislike for our nation's history.
Nationality is NOT a belief system or a choice. Religion is very different.
In the United States and many other countries, we get to choose our religion. It is not a fixed label we can not control or choose to leave.
If you see religion as a label you are given at birth and can not change, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or to abhor you. Countries like Iran, where most of my family is from and still lives there, religion IS a label you are given at birth, you can not choose or change. If you are born to a Muslim family and do not believe in that death cult, you are not allowed to become Christian or ANY other religion. If you do, the punishment is death.
I hope you do not choose to see religion the same way a brutal, totalitarian, murderous dictatorship sees religion.
If you live in a free country, you get to choose your religion. If you choose to turn a blind eye to horrific behavior in that church and still attend, or God forbid give them ANY money, then you are just as guilty as the rapists you are choosing to defend and enable.
Religion is a choice.
If an orchestra played a beautiful symphony by Beethoven poorly who would you blame? You wouldn’t blame Beethoven. Similarly when groups of priests and nuns have played Christ poorly or done atrocities in the name of Christ and and abused their position, we don’t blame Christ or the church he established, the blame is on the nuns and priests - and just because there are corrupt clergy covering for these wicked men and women does not mean that God has not raised up faithful men and women to Him in the Catholic Church. The Magisterium within the Catholic Church has stood strong over the last 2000 years and been faithful and true to God even as the evil and wicked men have passed through the Church throughout the centuries and tried to take advantage for their own evil gain. As the Scriptures say, in the end they are like chaff that the wind will blow away.
@@edel5780 I do not blame Christ or his church. I do not believe the Catholic Church is his church. In fact, I think anyone who does is badly and sadly brainwashed.
Jesus’ church would not include castles or thrones or luxurious robes, or… PEDOPHILES.
The Catholic Church is a Roman scam. Used to control people, as Rome ALWAYS did.
It was political, not spiritual.
That is why there is SOOOO much evil and SOOOOO much sin in that evil organization.
I am in God’s church when I am feeding a homeless person. I am in God’s church when I am helping someone in need. I am in God’s church when I a following the example of Jesus, NOT when I am in a multimillion dollar building housing and protecting pedophiles.
I can’t think of a worse sin than sexually abusing children and the Catholic Church has allowed it and protected those who have done it.
Name a worse evil.
Truth is ultimately beautiful but not all beauty is “honest”….and so the advice is sketchy. I would never tell someone to merely “give it a try” but rather to heed Proverbs and seek knowledge and understanding as precious jewels calling out to God in humility. “Taste and see” and Hebrews’ “better than” come from declarations and arguments of truth not from options that are merely shinier and prettier.
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
I’m a Protestant but admit the problem with the “modest” view is that it just leaves the door open to go wherever you want with all the further questions a true believer will eventually have.
Trent Horn is a Catholic treasure.
As Catholics we cooperate with our Creator to love one another therefore create Peace and help one another, be of service for our brothers and sister. And do our best to follow God’s will.
Do Protestants pray the Our Father?
As a Catholic, why don't you read the Jesuit oath? Tell me how Christian it is?
33:13 - Cameron doesn't think that Sola Scriptura is the essential doctrine of protestantism.
I beg to differ. There are many Protestant who no longer believe Sola Fide (those Church of Christ guy, some Anglican etc). But none of them disbelieve Sola Scriptura.
This is because Sola Scriptura is the most fundamental thing of Protestantism. We could say that "Protestatism = Sola Scriptura."
All institution needs authority. Without authority there's no single unifying principle of that institution (that consists of people). Protestant denies the hierarchical authority of the Catholic Church. It means that they have to derive authority from somewhere else. So, voila, scripture.
But in a sense scripture is quasi-authority. Because the ultimate authority for Protestantism is him/herself. It's his/her interpretation of scripture that matters. Scripture is the tool to justify that authority. It is to apologetically say "my authority is not myself but the word of scripture" tho in reality his/her authority is himself/herself.
I don't think he understands what the doctrine of Sola Scriptura means.
The Catholic Church derives its authority from Scriputre too, y'know. Both are doing the same thing. The difference is that many of us believe the Catholic Church has no more ability to interpret Scripture than the average person.
@@lpadron13 Nah. The Catholic Church derives its authority from bishops, whom derived their authority from the apostles, whom derived their authority from Christ.
A book can't have authority. Authority must be given by someone in superior position, to otherin inferior position.
@@namapalsu2364 how do I verify where that authority derived from?
@@lpadron13 From apostles to bishops, you could check bible verse.
For today bishops to the bishops who have their authority from the apostles, you see the history of the overal sucession.
There are records of the succession of the most important bishops. Bishop of Rome, Bishop of Alexandria, Antioch etc.
Very insightful conversation.
This was lovely!
That was a good conversation! I really enjoyed it. :)
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 My response is summed up in these three videos. I cannot accept islam unless the questions posed in these three videos are answered. I don't expect that you'll watch these but if you do. May God open your heart to the truth.
1. ua-cam.com/video/O2tYAgboOrI/v-deo.html
2. ua-cam.com/video/sS-lLTfCI7c/v-deo.html
3. ua-cam.com/video/nNAS0aaViM4/v-deo.html
4. ua-cam.com/video/-o0lu2gtQ9Q/v-deo.html
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
@@applez3015 so you're just going to copy and paste? if that's your plan to bring people to islam it is a weak plan. I gave you links to arguments for why i will not accept islam. engage with them if you want to have a conversation. copy and pasting isn't going to do a thing.
@@durendalarcas8209 who do you worship the Father the son or the spirit ?
I don’t care where Cam goes I want to know he’s saved
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers from Adam , Nosh Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The Quran (the word of the one true God) states in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him
@@applez3015 has the Quran been perfectly preserved?
@@user-fq7eh3jz7u perfectly perseved there is a Birmingham quran which is dated to the end of the Prophet Muhmmad peace be upon him , not only that there is an oral tradition of those that memorise the quran that goes back to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him .Currently in only in one Mosque in Pakistan has produced 1 million hafiz (those that have memorised the quran) in the past 3 decades.
@@applez3015 those 1 million are going to have to add 200 verses because that’s how many are missing
@@user-fq7eh3jz7u I am not here to debate , I have conveyed the truth. If you dont want to accept it then no one can force you. You know there is only one creator that this nothing like the creation and he is the only worthy of worship and not any man , animal or rock
I enjoyed this very much🙏🏽
Great set up as well. Very cool looking. 👏🏽
Also, just to throw this out there, I love being Catholic, my biggest regret was falling away from the church/faith in my 20’s.
What brought you back?
@@Mr24Acdcfreak a lot. For starters I was on a search of everything, fell into looking at the new age “spirituality” for some years, to justify a lot of my “own” terms of what is right. I always felt a void. The biggest turn around was my for my daughters and husband. Once I started actually learning about my faith I could understand so much, I felt as if my heart opened and I could see. Where as before I was shut off and always pointing at others errors and seeking a perfect example when all along it was right in front of me.
Messianic Judaism is not Protestantism, yet they believe core things that a "mere Christian" believes
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
‐----------
We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Cameron here's my advice: Convert to the Catholic Faith, and seek to LIVE it. In the Living you will find the truth of it.
Remember the Scripture where Jesus says If any man doubt my words let him seek to do them. In the doing he will find whether the words are true.
There is no arm chair generating or Monday morning Quarterbacking the Doctrine of the Christ. You discover it by living it.
I really hope Cameron investigates the top objections to Catholicism and the evidence and reasoning behind them. And not swayed by rhetoric.
I hope and pray to God he becomes Catholic 🙏🏻 Lord Jesus, hear our prayers.
@YAJUN YUAN it is a slight jab saying Trent is merely rhetorical when he is actually making logical arguments.
@YAJUN YUAN I have, I rejected it. Yes I’m Protestant, but I wanted to believe that Catholicism was correct, but the evidence I found anyway just didn’t support it.
Romans 12:10
Be devoted to one another in love. Honour one another above yourselves.
Romans 13:8
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
John 13: 34-35“
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Ephesians 4:2
Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
We all love one God, one Christ and we should embrace the richness that Catholic, Orthodox and Protestants bring to the one Church. And should worship with each other in unity and full uninhibited pure love for each other in reverence for Christ who died for us all.
I cannot worship God in spirit and in truth with those who teach error.
I want to see Cameron or Trent interview Francis Chan and his journey!
The Jesuits have succeeded in the counter reformation
"...I'm uncomfortable with all of this feigned attention your giving me, I know its not authentic right now...". As an introvert I can identify. This is why I simply extend a handshake (non-bonecrushing haha) to visitors and keep it short like "welcome, I"m Jim, glad you're here" and move on unless they really seem to want to chat or ask questions.
Hot take: being a mere Christian requires being neither Catholic, Orthodox, nor Protestant by default.
Edit: in the Kingdom Defense for the pyramid hierarchy of the papacy, have we forgotten that God's preferred method of government was unilateral judges from each tribe? The people asked for a king and were warned it was a bad, secular idea, but went ahead anyway, so God sanctioned it. I see this issue crop up a lot when the Roman Church is propped up against the Jewish legacy. It seems we're ignoring that many, many aspects of the Jewish story, from the golden calf to the bloated tyranny of Talmud (which Christ clearly despised), were actually signs of rebellion and foolishness. They may have been the chosen people, but they also choose poorly themselves time and time again. It was by looking to the head of Israel that the apostles were freed from legalism and despair, just as we should be looking up the head now to cut through all the extraneous human traditions that have cropped up around the faith and lodged between us.
Please correct me if I'm off anywhere here.
Further Edit: mad love for Trent Horn, the guy is a fervant warrior for truth... but I want to stand for the distinction between protestantism and mere Christianity. To be a Protestant is, by definition, to belong to the movement of protesting the Roman Catholic Church, typically from within or as an offshoot of it.
That’s not biblical though
I’ll never be catholic because I disagree with their doctrine. But I can respect others for their faith. From one Christian to another (I’ll be it Protestant) I am glad others found happiness.
If my conversion experience did not so closely resemble what the Bible says is supposed to happen, when a person becomes born again, I might have considered becoming Catholic.
Don Sears the Agnostic Who Met God.
Like most Northwesterners, Don Sears was not an atheist. He thought there might be a God somewhere, but didn’t think there was anything we could know about Him for sure. He resented Christians who talked about Jesus Christ, and told them there was no difference between Bible stories and comic books. Don , however had a serious problem with rage and violence. As a young man growing up in Alaska, his idea of a good time was going to the Indian part of town, finding a big Indian, and provoking him to a fight. He was possessed by a fury that would flash at little or no provocation. It would erupt in him like a volcano, and would not be satisfied until he or his opponent lay bleeding and broken on the floor. His rages were so intense that sometimes he could not remember what had happened after he blew up. He was this way for over thirty years, and said it got to the point that he liked the feeling of bones breaking under his fists. He became involved with a business, and began studying their manuals on salesmanship. To his surprise he discovered that they used principles out of the Bible, and he began to wonder about the Bible. One Sunday he went to what he thought was a business meeting in Portland, Oregon, and was surprised to discover that it was actually a church service. He was even more surprised that he didn’t walk out in disgust, but listened to the message. He heard that Jesus Christ had died on the cross, paying the full penalty for Don ’s sins. He heard that He rose bodily from the dead, and now is offering a real salvation from sin to all who believe in Him. At the end of the service during the altar call Don felt an undeniable urge to go to the front and accept Jesus Christ as his Savior. Don , the angry agnostic walked down the aisle and genuinely gave his heart to Jesus Christ.* Years later I askedDon what it was that convinced him that this was real, and not just some emotional experience. He told me that the following week he was provoked by someone in a manner that had always caused him to erupt in a fury. This time, strangely, he did not get mad. He said he was surprised as he walked away, that he hadn’t beaten the daylights out of the fellow, but he just didn’t get mad. In fact, he told me, as time went on he discovered that he couldn’t get mad at people anymore. It was like someone had turned off a switch in his heart. He could still get mad at his car when it wouldn’t start, but not at people. Also, for all his life he had wanted nothing to do with Jesus Christ, Christians, church, the Bible, prayer, or anything “religious.” Now he discovered that his core likes and dislikes had been reversed, seemingly overnight. He wanted to know Jesus, pray to him, read the Bible, and amazingly he found he now loved being around Christians who genuinely loved the Lord Jesus Christ. This has been over twenty-five years ago, the rage has never returned, and his love for Jesus has never left him.*
Great interview!!
And (remember) when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Take me and my mother as deities beside God?’" He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden. Never did I say to them except what You commanded me - worship God, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (Quran 5:116-117)
Surah Al Fath Chapter 48 Verse 28
It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
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We as muslim believe in one great creator that sent messengers and prophets from Adam , Noah Ibrahim , Musa , Jesus and the last Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all of them.All of the messengers and prophet were sent to convey one message "There is no one worthy of worship except Allah",meaning the convency of absolute monotheism. I invite you all to islam and to read the Quran.
The purpose of life is simple as conveyed in the Quran :
And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone) (Quran 51.56)
Who is the one and perfect creator ? In one of the shortest surah in the Quran it has been summarised as in Surah ikhlas:
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.