I Was Wrong About Champion Pools
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Character development: after years of coaching league, Curtis realizes that people learn better if they're having fun.
he just means that before he used to say the real fun begins with champion mastery, and to try to stick it out with champs that dont feel 'fun' at first. bc some simpler champs can be considered better for learning fundamentals. and now his point is if its not your style and youre not initially interested and having fun with them, you will struggle. but i get youre prolly just being sarcastic
@@illusry7631 yea, just a joke
If only our teachers would realize this too
what new skill will this next character arc bring? Find out! in the next episode of MID LANE ACADEMY!!!
I think this is the first time in years that I reply and vote on a comment. Genuinely laughed!
I’m disabled(muscle disorder with chronic pain) so I always play easy simple champs that don’t require high APM. Right now my core is Warwick/sett/garen mid and top(Warwick mid underrated). I’ve been experimenting with other toplaners but these are simple enough without being demanding. I picked up vex as a counter pick also for when melee is unplayable but prefer melee
This is one of the reason why I always argue their should be low skill / easily accessible champs, for maximum playability for all players
Something I feel doesn't get mentioned often (by anyone) is that just because a champion is 'easy' or 'hard' mechanically doesn't mean it will be for you as an individual player.
A good example of what I mean is when Ornn came out I could just do his ult because I'm good with timing, but I saw many others struggle to execute it. The degree to which it was challenging varied & I'd say the same thing about someone like Zoe; some people just have a knack for it. On the other side of this though, some people will not have a fluid connection to easier champions. I consider Alistar one of the hardest champions to execute (for me) but don't struggle with something like Azir. The way you connect to different champions, and how easily they flow for *you* I think is an extremely important thing to consider when picking champions & I personally think you're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't pick champions that you already have a head start on if you're looking for quicker results.
Agreed. Some people automatically/naturally CLICK with a particular champ even if it doesn't really make sense on paper (due to their rank or past experiences)
@@CoachCurtis yeah I full agree, it took me 200k points to get over 55% winrate on Katarina but it only took me like 10k points for Yasuo, probably also contributed to a lot by the fact that Yasuo is a lot stronger but they way the champ works just flows so well for me, probably also why I learnt Irelia pretty fast
@@CoachCurtis That's how I picked up elise (1.4M). She's been with me since silver 4 and I am climbing my way to diamond right now for the first time, all with your help of course.
Yeah people call Lux a "simple" champion but the kind of stuff I pull off on her is definitely not "simple" for other people to do. She can be extremely complex when you're playing her with solid micro.
@@Megan-ii4gfMe when I slob on my own knob
I totally agree that if you’re not having fun you won’t improve. I was playing support and was no longer enjoying it so I switch to ADC and dropped a little LP at first but now I’ve climbed higher then my peak at support and I’m really enjoying trying to improve again.
The same happened to me as I used to play top, didnt enjoy the role anymore and Im having a lot of fun as adc now and got more LP than ever before.
thats my problem too when playing support, i go too aggro and end up getting all the kills xD
Great video. Would love to see a deep dive into lissandra much like you did with vex and galio. Your thought process and champion identity conversations are so insightful
Hi Curtis and the rest of this wonderful community! I've recently gotten back into ranked after failing previous times through years before as a result of feeling like I had no talent for the game. I've definitely learned through your videos and the BBC that I was not respecting the difficulty of the game and was letting myself get demotivated after seeing friends who were learning at a much faster rate than I was. I've overcome a lot of the anxiety I had back then and have learned that I have to study and put more time into things to learn them in comparison to others. I'm currently in Bronze, but I am motivated to prove that I can become a proficient player through hard work , effort, and continual self-discovery. I apologize for the long rant before the question! I just wanted to give some background since I believe it could be relevant. I chose mid as my position and made a champion pool of Leblanc as my primary champion and Tristana as a secondary since I chose Bottom as my secondary role and wanted to have an AD champion as a secondary. I noticed Leblanc is fairly mechanically intensive, along with having a fairly high reference point on your graph, and I am wondering if it's okay to be learning the game through a champion like Leblanc at this early of a stage. I know there's no clear-cut answer, and there's a lot of factors that can come into account. Mainly, I'm just worried that I will potentially develop bad habits and ruin my ability to play her at higher ranks in the future. I appreciate any thoughts and/or advice anyone in the community might have. Keep up the great videos, coach! They've helped me become extremely excited about learning league!
Love this vid Curtis, all of our perspectives change over time and it is refreshing for you to share yours.
Appreciate that man
Something I'd like to add from a top lane perspective is that when it comes to champ pools, class identity is incredibly important in figuring out what champions to play. For example, I main Fiora 100% and love her to death, but I also play Camille, Irelia, Shen, Jax, and I'm trying to learn Gwen a little to have a topside AP threat. Personally, that's too many champions for me so I'm only actively playing 3-4 of them. But what's important to note is that all of these champions have very similar identities: Gwen is quite similar to Fiora in gameplay while Camille, Irelia, and Jax are all stereotypical divers (and Shen is more peel oriented but can definitely dive the backline and do loads of damage). Even more importantly, all of these champs are auto attack based so learning the melee auto attack trading pattern translates to improved performance on all of them. Sure, many of these champs are mechanically quite complex, but their reference points are all quite similar which makes them more palatable to learn as a group of champions. Compare that to a top lane champ pool consisting of Gragas, Teemo, and Yorick. The overall shared skillset of these champs is pretty small and so training on one champion doesn't necessarily translate to improved performance or understanding on the others.
I have no idea if what I'm saying is worth anything, but just something I wanted to add to the overall conversation :)
Yep. I love tanking.
So playing both top and jungle in both cases I tend to go the tank champions.
But for support I go casters. No idea why.
I feel lost in the game without you’re videos man
Ty so much for uploding
Really cool video. I would love to see more in depth looks at the chart and other roles (I play mostly top, supp, jg; poppy otp)
I have been trying to expand my champ pool but no one plays tank/frontline usually so I have been stuck doing it. Ive tried Ornn, Shen, Maokai and Sejuani.
Still looking for good tanks into my bad matchups, but maybe tanks just can't beat champs like Sett, GP and Illaoi easily.
I struggle with mid but I might have to try Galio. I can play Malz at least lol.
Thank you for your content. Gg
good shit coach love your work keep pumping vids and sessions
This is a great video and exactly how I make my champion pool and suggest others make theirs. I just wasn't quite as good at explaining it as you are. Keep it up Coach Curtis!
Great concepts! I "unstuck" myself playing zilean mid only. Even though i was winning a lot these games felt so boring. I´d rather stay stuck forever than play another game on zilean lol
That's for sure hahaha
I stopped playing league almost 2 years ago but I'm still watching your videos every now and then.
I love your approach at coaching and how you explain league concepts.
Keep going
I see you, probably because curtis has a way with perspectives and analogies that makes his theories about the game applicable to real life for example.
Thanks a lot Curtis, as always everything you explain is fascinating and really helpful (:
I wish you could give us details in an other video concerning the reference point complexity /mechanical complexity and the way you consider every mid champs. For example, I feel like Syndra and Orianna - wich I play a lot - have a very close champion identity, but maybe Syndra is more mechanically demanding and can play for ganks and skirmishes quite ok as, in another hand, Orianna really needs the game to be played around her spikes and wants to slow down the pace of the game and make it as structured as possible, wich is a skill in itself.
Also, it would be absolutely lovely to get more informations from you about "player identity". For example, as a very skillshot oriented mage player and range/poke accustomed, the only assassin I feel comfortable with is Zed, probably because he pokes and gets a lot of reward from hiting Qs.
Finally (I promise this is my last suggestion ^^), I would really love you to go deeper with the concept of "covering multiple bases". The champions I like to play are Orianna, Syndra, Zoe, Vel'Koz, Zed and Azir. I wonder - let's say for the next season - about picking Orianna as a scaling control mage, Zoe as an early/mid mage that plays more agressive and can roam or impact skirmishes, and maybe Vel'Koz as a pocket pick I feel comfortable with, but I'm really not sure about this.
As a french, I hope my english is understandable (I did my best, litteraly). Have a great time coach, see you next time (;
Amazing video, lots of things I could see myself in, I'm sure it'll be helpful
This is what I've been doing something like this myself, it took a long time to figure out the champs I liked and wanted to put time into learning, but it was totally worth it.
Now I always have a ~4 pool that I daily use, and some that often switch in/out.
Hi, coach. Would you consider completing that chart and posting it in Twitter or something? I got really interested in it and would love to see it in full form.
Cheers from Brazil!
This. As a top laner it could be pretty helpful
I can look into that and post it in the community section
@@elessar6950 did this ever get posted at all?
Hi coach, any chance of you drawing a graphic like this for other roles ? It's really helpful
Wow amazing video. I do have a question. I am a support main, I feel very comfortable with engaging tanks should I only stick to engage champion for my identity. Even though supports have other important identities such as enchanter and mages which can complete a team comp. Is it better to stick with one identity or be well rounded in two identities as a support player?
amazing video man, thanks!!
I ❤ that you’re the type of coach that can change his mind on certain beliefs when you encounter new information from other areas, e.g. Piano lessons.
This is very true, I've dumbed my pool down to Akshan, Twisted fate, and now looking for a complex champ (Between Sylas or Ekko since he got a great buff) but before I used to do Yasuo, Katarina and Zed lol it was brutal to keep up with their mechanics especially when I didn't play one of them for a couple of days
I would say go with ekko but i may be a bit biased cause i main ekko lol. But tbf hes in a much better spot than sylas on account of him getting buffed and sylas getting nerfed. Ekko also provides viability to a wider variety of playstyles as compared to sylas imo.
i feel like akshan is more mechanically complex than ekko ,ekko is kind of simple both macro and micro
It's crazy how much of a difference it makes immediately in your journey
@@ahhanahhan6749 Ekko is not better than sylas and hasn’t been since before durability lol
@@subhanvasanth8292 Sure he isnt
interesting points, looking at the complexity of the champs makes good sense, playr identity as well.
Thanks for your video!
Could you tell me how to look up good complementary champions to a specific main Champ? For me I´m training myself to a Taliyah Mid Main One Trick, but at the moment its hard for to find a second champs thats easy to play when Taliyah gets banned.
Thanks!
Hey Curtis! Nice video and thanks for your thoughts on this one.
I think there is an inherent trade-off between player identity and niche filling champ pool. If my playstyle is assassin, my champ pool will reflect that, but champs in this pool will share the weaknesses of assassins in general, meaning I can only compensate so much for the giant niche they are not filling. On the other side, if I have a small but diverse champ pool, say an assassin, a mage and a tank I minimized the niche, but can not exploit the benefits of my player identity.
My 2 cents.
Thanks for the video!
(Ps. The graph was very illustrative, though I am wondering what negative mechanical complexity represents :P)
I think the idea here isn't "negative", but "average". Let's imagine you quantify a champion's complexity on a scale from 0 to 100. The line that divides the two sections is the average (i.e. 50) and then you have an idea of the champion's complexity in relation to others.
@@kevlarsweetheart9272 That sure makes sense, and the relational aspect of the graph is clear, I agree :) Just wanted to mock our good coach a bit.
I think this depend on your focus objetive: if you play similar champs with diferent niches like vicktor\cassio you are developing similar skills and yes you have the same weaknesses but you are also developing the same skills so you will be learning the same way of playing the game no matter which of the two you are playing, so de focuse would be learning this set of skills for your type of players.
on the other way around if your pool have 3 completly difrent types of champ you will be basicly learning diferent skill sets with each one, and yes that on paper sound good cuz you are learning a lot of difrent things, but actually you are going slow in all 3, beside at the end the type of player you are will dictate the way you will behave, if the playstyle of the champ is difrent you will be playing wrong so at least for me it really confuse my learning, so I think this would be the I just have to win way.
just my opinion! thanks for reading !
What I'm currently doing is polishing out a pool of champs that fits an assassin mindset, but also being versatile for team comps. This has led to me looking for champions that prioritize flanks, but not just assassins. And my saviors been Vex, since she's absolutely looking for those backline one-shot flanks, but she also has a stable mage laning phase, and if you really need her to can play a more front to back Liandry's role. You'd definitely be better off playing an actual front to back mage which have hard to dodge spells, but hey there's tradeoffs.
Another which I'm experimenting on but less sure of is Ahri, before the rework she definitely fit the Assassin mindset more, now she's looking for flanks, but unless disgustingly ahead needs assistance from her teammates which she helps set up.
And of course there's no shortage of AD champs to take if you have an assassin player identity. If you really want to commit to the assassin mindset, obviously there's not a straight up front to back mage you can pick, but it's definitely possible to get creative.
This tradeoff happens often, but it doesn't always have to. You can have purposes for each champion in your pool without picking drastically different playstyles.
Examples of similar champions that can serve different purposes in your pool:
Zed - Physical damage (let's say this is your main)
Ekko - Similar to Zed, but magic damage
Diana - Bigger emphasis on group fights
All three of these champions are bursty assassin-type mid laners with wave clear and strong ultimates, but they aren't totally interchangeable.
My main pool right now is viktor zoe and yone. I like to have an ad pick, control mage, and a burst mage. For some reason Champs like zoe and yone took me maybe 10 games to get used to them and I feel extremely confident in lane with them. But the viktor took me weeks to be able to use but he's such a good blind pick compared to the others I feel like it was worth it. I feel like the agency and chaos I have with zoe is just unmatched and it really throws the enemy team off. One bubble on a carry through a wall has led me to so many victories. And the mispositioning is very high in my elo so I get a lot of free bubbles in lane and otherwise. I think it also helps zoe having such a low pick rate a lot of people are not comfortable in that match up. I've mainly been playing her recently. I put a large priority on enjoying my Champs when I main them. When they get stale I go learn another. I've been much stronger in matches knowing what they are trying to get out of the lane and when they aren't getting that.
16:23 +1 agree with having a core champion identity. Until you pointed out the concrete example, I hadn’t internalized it. I used to be split between diana and veigar, but after fully committing veigar I’ve been climbing a lot better. The philosophical approach you take is quite interesting, since most UA-camrs just talk about technicals or decision making
Loved the video! Came here after listening to the latest episode of the podcast so was nice to hear more about the idea!
Thanks to this video I’ve locked in playing assassins for the foreseeable! Yone and Talon for mid lane.
As a low elo player (iron and in my first season of league) what things might you think about in my games?
Thanks for the vids coach, they’re really helpful 🎉
Given how new you are, I wouldn't really focus on anything specifically. You just need to get games in, develop that 'feel' for the game. Watch other people play the champs you main just for raw curiosity sake, get decent farm/play around with differing trading patterns and most importantly HAVE FUN!
Thx for the great video Curtis. Do you have a video classifying champions by identity to help create a pool?
I do not actually. Maybe that is an idea for a video
I've never agreed with the two tricking thing as it makes the game feel like a job. End of the day, it's a game. It's for fun. Love this character arc btw
Spot on mate
It depends on the person though, I mostly play Akali and Cassio and I have a blast. At the end of the day, you have some secondary role games to play other champs anyway.
I would just pick Lux, but since she'd get banned and picked a lot, I'd go into Orianna as a secondary. I got really good on both, I played both in mid and support, and my ability to play them makes me able to absolutely destroy anyone who picks them against me nowdays. I really love those champs, and that's why I stuck to them. I've moved on to Leona now, and I can play Nami, Lulu, Morgana, Sona, and Karma really well. I've got a lot of experience playing them all the past three years. I had a lot of experience with Kassadin, Malzahar, Viktor, and Katarina during my mid maining days, three to ten years ago, so I can play against them very effectively too. I was still a two-trick, even though I had extensive experience with over a dozen champions, it's really just about what you enjoy playing at the time, and moving on to the next thing.
rn my 2 favorite champions are Ryze and Viktor, an those are basically the only two I play aside from Renekton top and Fiddle jungle, do the two of them cover enough bases for my mid pool or should I add another champion?
hey, could you make a complete table of mechanical and reference point for all the mid champs?
Hey Curtis is there any way you would be willing to link a better graph of where you would put complex vs simple champs? I don't know how complex I would set champs as so it is hard to make intelligent decisions on this. Thanks a bunch!!!
I was a mid lane otp'ing a champ for a long time and it was mostly fine. However I started playing more top during the last year and immediately noticed I could not reliably do the same up there. I have a very vast champion pool that I'm very comfortable with now (around 15 champs) and a few tricks I've been following was to have a decent amount of easy champs to play, helps learning faster and prevents spending too much time building your pool. Have a decent amount of ap/ad/tanky champions for various situations. Learn champions that do not all get counterpicked by the same champions, and lastly get a few safe blind picks.
Hi Curtis, what made you come to this realisation? Just curious mate. Great video!
Does the concept of player identity apply to support as well? For example would I be fine as being an "enchanter" player with two core enchanters and cycling enchanters? Or is this a mid only thing?
Went from hardstuck Plat 4 for around 5 years to Diamond 1 quickly in EUW using your material.
Appreciate all your videos - accepting I was the issue with different aspects of my game, instead of blaming others for 'what they could of done' has fixed my mentalilty and given me a holistic view of the game to really build on what is going well and why + what is not and how it can be developed.
Jumped from Diamond 4 to Diamond 1 in like 2 weeks, which really surprised me, considering my blockade at Plat 4 - all thanks to you!
With the preseason changes and RoA coming back, I very much think TF will be meta again. I'd love to see you update your guide on him!
Oh man, we can only wish!
Yeah I spoke a bit about this during the upcoming Broken By Concept episode. Make sure to tune in
Who would you recommend for Vel'Koz? I've been trying to learn Zilean to counter assassins.
Do you have any recommendations for an ekko main champ pool?
Hey Curtis. You recommended playing only 3 Champs in Plat. So should i have 1 main and 2 complementarys / 2 Mains and 1 complementary then?
I also have kind of a problem deciding what to choose. Espacially considering player identity. I was a katarina otp when she got reworked. I loved the rework and wanted still wanted to play her all the time, but she got permabanned after the rework. So I started playing viktor and he became my new main. Now kat and viktor are my 2 best champions by far. So for developing a player identity I guess I should decide for only one of them and pick other champions that match. But I don't really want to, because I like both... :D
My two mains are Kog'Maw and Azir. I'm best at Kog'Maw, and I usually prefer him, but sometimes I want to play something more mentally stimulating so I swap in Azir. The two champions are different enough to keep me focused over the long run; I'm less likely to autopilot my games.
One of the reasons I like Kog'Maw so much is because of how different his playstyle is depending on if you build AP or AD and what role you play him in; AP Kog mid moonlights as an artillery mage while AD Kog bot is a teamfight-focused hypercarry through and through.
As for Azir, I just like how he can do a little bit of everything. He has mobility, self peel, burst, sustained DPS, waveclear, splitpush potential, late-game scaling, poke/lane bully capability, etc. He's also low key viable in the toplane if you ever get bored of mid. Also I'm addicted to attack speed so that's certainly a factor.
I occasionally play Singed whenever I'm in the mood to commit some warcrimes.
My current mid champ pool: Pantheon, Vex, Aurelion, and Ahri.. they are relatively fun to me and i used to one trick the old Asol so it was refreshing to experience this curiosity element by relearning the new kit even though it is not very complex
i have a total of 210 games playing them and 59 winrate
A few months ago I began maining Shaco support and have gained over 400 lp with it. A huge part of climbing for me was the volume of games I became willing to play once I had a champ that was extremely fun for me. Before finding a fun main I struggled to play more than ~6 ranked games a week, and that volume makes gaining rank extremely slow, even at a very high win rate. My WR didn't really change, or even fell slightly, when I switched to Shaco. My game volume has increased massively though, and this has allowed me to climb at a pace that feels rewarding.
You piqued my interest at "FUN & CURIOSITY". xD
I love playig: pyke and sylas in mid and recently I started having fun with Qiyana and Zoe, do you think Zoe will fit in my pool? I thought maybe cuz Zoe is kinda a burst champ and it might be good to have a ranged champ in my pool.
As a gold level player, I seem to have done this subconciously having my 2 main "midlane" champions as Viktor/Vladimir and 2 Toplane champions (secondary role) in Vladimir and Renekton
I'm in the process of swapping from being a Jhin OTP to a midlaner, and I'm having a lot of fun ruining these diamond 3 games at the end of the season. Having a lot of fun with Hwei, Viktor, Ori, and Syndra, but my sense of roaming is beyond weak. You mentioned that having extremely similar champs isn't ideal, however. I'm unsure on what champions I should use to cover all of my bases, especially skills such as sidelane roams, punishing wave neutralizers (Talon/Lux), and helping out the jungler in the early 2v2s. What champion should I pick up? Right now I'm considering TF, Taliyah, and Vex, but I'm unsure on which one is worth learning for the long term.
Also, your videos explaining the basics are really helping me get started with mid, and they're carrying the hell out of my notebook. Thanks for all you do.
What is your thought process on champ pools for secondary roles? Is the quiyanna/or problem still present?
I would really like to see more of what you think about how different is just right and not enough or too different.
What I understand of it from this video is you would say try to pick from similar roles like assassin or mage, but when are they too similar?
what's that thing you use to draw I really like it :P
Hey coach, what would u say about a champion pool, looking like Fizz, Sylas and then cycling 2 simple champs
Was not expecting to get an advice about why I "stuck" in my piano "journey" here, but it turned out to be very helpful, thanks)
Hello, Coach Curtis, what do You think about Syndra rework? Maybe little guide or video about her? :)
I dont quite understand the idea of complementary champs , I am a main talon should I add champs that have similar identity to talon (early aggressive laning , roaming assassin ) or should I look for champions that has the opposite (what talon lacks : late game and utility)?
hey ian im an azir otp do you have any suggestions for complementary champs to add to my pool
ayyyyyy another coach curtis vid, huuuuuge
As an ADC player, champ pools in bot lane can be pretty weird. As everything is pretty much ranged verses ranged, I pretty much choose a champ pool that works well with different types of supports or is just fairly generic. In my experience, Tristana is probably the most independent ADC as her great mobility and burst damage means that she has safely, damage, and wave clear that allows her to stay relevant in so many situations.
My strengths are split pushing top lane, or as my team calls it “trolling afk farming” usually while I’m dunking my third or fourth tower
Hello Curtis. While learning a small pool of similar champions might be best for climbing, is there a long term benefit to learning champions that exist on opposite ends of the spectrum? To use your chart, would two tricking Twisted Fate and Lucian lead to a better understanding of the game as a whole? Thank you.
In theory yes, but not many people can actively learn two styles at once. From what I've seen in my coaching, people who attempt to play for example a hardcore mage like Orianna AND an assassin like Akali, struggle.
Very interesting video both humanly and from the game prospective.
Bro your videos are the best I’m a Wild rift player but I watch your videos
i somehow benefitted on my career choices by watching this xd you are amazing man
I climbed really easily with Zyra + Lux sup and got soo close to my plat promos and fumbled the bag. I came to the conclusion that my champ pool was too limited, I kept finding myself unsure how to pick against enemy/for my team. Also stopped enjoying Zyra as she was my otp in a way. So, I took a break from ranked and decided I needed more knowledge of champions in general. I may have played the game for 9+ years, but when my fiance asked me "Can you describe to me every ability each champ has in this lobby?" I couldn't!
I decided I was going to play all the supports and get some level of mastery on them, as well as adc. It's still a work in progress but norms/UA-cam have let me learn a lot and grow, I now feel very confident when making calls and theorising how matchups go for my lane.
From giving myself the task of only playing champs I had no m7 on, I found that a lot of champs I had originally thought were hella boring are actually REALLY fun. I learned a bit about myself too. I learned that it's draining and hard trying to get used to new champions, but it can be very rewarding trying to be flexible. Eventually with time and concentration it gets easier. I feel reassured knowing that as long as I apply myself to the task at hand, eventually it'll get better.
Great video as always! Do you think that using locked screen is a big disadvantage? I am a plat 4 player mostly playing akali, swain, yasuo and yone.
Most definitely it is a disadvantage, especially in skirmishes
Fr you are so underrated. I think you dont get the attention you deserve. Thanks to you i could get a new perspective to the game a lot after youre videos. Can you please make a akshan guide. I know its not youre kind of champion but i think hes pretty unique and was playable since he released. I coulnt really find a good guide. Even if you dont make one thank you for the effort you put in youre content ❤
My pleasure man! Definitely on my to do list
What if your player identity is assassins and enemy team has a lot of tanks or cc? Are you just screwed or you should have a random cassio in your pool?
How could he say that intro with a straight face staying serious lmao
on the topic of the one trick portion i'm a zed one trick because he's the only champion i fine particularly attractive to play and whos identity I understand to a degree where its fun for me
rn my champ pool is akali and kassadin.
i’m thinking of adding another champ and I was looking at Zed and yone.
I think I have more fun with Zed so i’m gonna go with him
If my core 2 champions are Xerath and Cassio, what are good complementary champs to fill out my pool?
I have been playing for almost a year, as an ADC first, during a few months, and then as a support. I tried multiple champs, again and again, and I felt just so bad.
At some point, I found out that Zyra was very good to climb (I wasn't playing ranked but my duo was, and I thought that we might play together at some point). I found guides made by an OTP, they really helped me understand the champ. However, I was and still am bad at dealing damage (poke is still very easy with Zyra) and the champ felt somewhat wrong.
I started to try again various champs, but my duo had decided to play ADC with me (main jungle) and he told me that I had to pick a pool with basically 1 engage, 1 enchanter and 1 mage, which I did.
At that point, I felt useless on the game, whatever I was doing. My ADC was also commenting a lot on my every moves, and... I really lack confidence and self esteem, IG and IRL, so it was not helping. We talked and he diminished his comments.
And I don't know why, I decided I wanted to try Milio. I had kind of an affinity with enchanters, but had never found any that "felt good", like I was actually useful. Milio is really expensive, I felt like it was a bet and a last resort situation.
Turns out, I really liked him. I was bad, but it felt good. So I started to pick him exclusively, which is good since it's rare to see him. I started to become better, actually better. I saw posts on reddit saying the champ is bad, felt bad, questioned my choices, but it felt good to I kept playing him. Then, I started convincing lots of players that my boy is gold, and it felt amazing.
Anyway, Milio is my special champ. I love hearing him say "You can do it, Milio!", it actually motivated me in game. I like running everywhere, even if I am too often missposed. I like helping everyone, sometimes more than they imagine. I love when enemies chase me around the whole map and never catch me because my shield gives me MS and my ball bump them. I started to get more assists (that I deserve) and die less.
However, I had developed habits linked to the character and my playstyle. And as I looked at all the bad habits, I realized I needed to diversify my picks to keep getting better. I also wanted to feel more proactive, but my own habits prevented me from doing it with him. I kind of started to resent him for that (I know, weird).
So, I started to go back on trying champs, very recently. I like enchanters, so I gave a second chance to a lot of champs. Milio has helped me to gain some confidence, and I can now better play other champs, even though I still have my flaws (a lot of flaws). It feels so good to try other champs. I have started with champs that remind me of Milio for various reasons. I have tried to play champs with skillshots as I'd like to play hookers one day, and found out that Milio's q has helped me in that way. I still haven't found exactly what I want to play, but Milio is my feel good choice (though I try to take him when his kit is going to shine more).
I am currently not ready to play engage. I have tried more mage-y poky champs because I want to work on that, but engage... I have a big mental block: I am going to go everything wrong, have everybody get killed, etc. etc. I know you have to try to learn, but it is actually stressful to me, more than the game currently is for me. So, I just can't, and that's ok, as long as I am having fun!
Nobody is going to read that, but it actually felt good to write it ☺️
I‘ve a question, where would you categorize kassadin in the diagram?
Nice vid. In the Smash scene, not only do we recommend easy-to-pick characters, but we also prioritize having fun with the character the most.
I do like to see include how difficult their character could be, but that’s their journey, not mine. 😅
LOVE IT! Smash is ahead of the learning meta, that's for sure
Hi Curtis I know mostly do midlane content what would my player identity be I play samira ezreal mostly sometimes jinx I'm Plat 4 would be rlly helpful if u can awnser. I can't explain how much your mindset videos and soloq in general helped me out that you for doing this for us
is a top side pool
but would it be okay to play something like that
Camille
Dr.Mundo
Choghat
(bronze player) atm
well that explains why i enjoy sion and lissandra as a 2nd choice pick as an azir otp
hi Curtis, just some clarification please...
when talking about identity and then covering multiple bases.
how i understand it is obviously dont pick champs that are polar opposites.
but why is ori viktor syndra an overlap,
and "similar" (cuz of how they play in lane? or later in teamfights)
and viktor cassio vex / ahri veigar vex is a spread?
is it only cause of their playstyles?
please clarify thanks
Im thinking maybe pick each one if your team lacks something?
for instance if i choose a pool of lux , vex and lissandra why would it be good or bad
I actually struggle more with simple champions than complex champions, because I like to have options to utilize. I used to be a normal game lee sin otp for my first two years, so I rarely have struggle with mechanics. Now I'm support main and my favorite champions are Rakan, Thresh, Bard and Renata.
Honestly I wish I watched this a bit earlier. I always wanted to have ad assassin (Viktor player) in my pool but just couldn't click with the role. Then Galio was popular and I immediately clicked with his indetity. Kinda makes sense now
i mostly play 3 champs that are viktor syndra and cassio and i notice i stuck too much (im silver elo) which one you suggest me to move :( and save it for later when im better
im struggling if go for galio or vex
just play whatevers fun and drop whatever isnt
So, what is Belveth, Lux, Shyvana, Lissandra, Tristana, Kaisa and Lissandra in terms of champion pool on the graph?
The fun aspect is really important, I can really play tanks and mages very well, But I love assassins, and maybe i shouldnt go for assassins, but that what I like
What does make Sense for an Assassin Identity? I Play Akali and looking for a Good second Champ 😀
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I'm silver and don't know if these consepts are really important to the place I'm standing. Guess I have a bad pool due to the chart of complexity in video, I play Yone as core, and mostly Yone. Having a 55% Wingate on him and as midlane over 200 games ( I have limited time to play ) and playing swain or sylas when Yone either gets banned or picked. Is this wrong? Have to mention I play the other two in normals so I learn their mechanics and mathups as well.
Wow! I do this naturally and have felt guilty not being disciplined keeping to the same champion pool season by season. This was great to hear and confidence improving. Great video
Coach can you say exactly what reference point complexity is? I don't really understand what you mean by it, like, isn't tf a facilitator?
Yee new video yippee
Gold player looking for a 2nd champ. Malzahar has been my only champ for awhile now. Would Vex be a good complimentary champ?
At what elo would you say it's ok to not have a player identity? I feel like eventually you need to play different champs as you will miss out on some fundamentals by only playing a certain type of champ.
For example if you only play melee assassins, you wont know how to punish people going for cs. Or if you play scaling mages, you wont know how to roam as well.
Would you say masters+ is when you can play drastically different champions like zed/ori? Or would you wait until you get even higher?
Iron
there is no reason to not know how to punish people juat because you play melee,the higher the elo the more knowledge of the game you hold regardless of what you play,people hit challenger playing 1champ and knowing more than people playing 10
I don't think you ever really NEED to play multiple styles unless you are planning on going pro.
Sure it's optimal if you can later on in your journey post D2+, but its not always necessary
Any idea on who is a good champ in regards to similar identity to Jhin ADC? I enjoy caitlyn a lot but I am yet to really master her mechanics. I used to play MF a lot and still retain at least half of the skill i built i think. Kaisa and Tristana are another 2 i have played and had some success but a bit more mixed, less so trist bc i found shes easier. With kaisa i find i dive in a little too much with R at the wrong times. I play veigar and annie mid mostly if that helps.
Also where is the ADC version coach curtis?
Sorry man, I can't really help you with this one.
I also think in the ADC role you can have definitely wider champion pools (Due to all of them having similar identities)
No worries brother, appreciate the reply
hey man , just joined the waitlist for your coaching , how long would yu estimate the wait would be ? been climbing like crazy on cass but seem to have hit a wall , keep getting teammates that are just not the best in all honesty ill go 18-4 and still lose , I know theres more I can do and learn to carry even harder and look forward to coaching , any kind of reply would be awesome mane.
There is an opening this week, stay tuned in your emails :)
@@CoachCurtis awesome ! stayin hopeful .
When is guessing your rank video uploaded?
Hey Curtis, do you have the full completed graph with all mid champs in it?
Not now, but I can
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It's funny how this video showed on my recommended page after I switched from peak d2 fiora otp to learning mages 22% wr bouncing from plat3 to emerald4 and I've never had more fun in my life despite losing almost every game
When I started I really struggled with laning and got filled into jungle so much I said f it I main jungle now
this was 2 years ago and I am now mostly a top laner. I still have the feeling of wanting to pick up mid again, sadly I don't click much with the mid lane champs in play style. (I am a Poppy/Lillia two trick wanting to add Gwen as my 3rd champ)
Based on your advices what do you think if I play Syndra (reworked), Vladimir and Yone/Ekko (I'm not soldo n which melee should I grab)? I like these champs tho I'm a littlle worried because they all scaling mid-late game champs. P3 atm.
Ehh that's not a very clear identity. I think Ekko makes more sense then Yone personally.
Ekko+Syndra+Vlad CAN work
@@CoachCurtis Thank you very much for answering :)
Nice video, do you think as a g2 ori main who plans on learning syndra after I hit plat 4 I am better off just playing ori because both champs are really similar or do you think its okay to add syndra to my pool, I also considered adding ahri but I would prefer syndra.
Syndra
On the topic of fun, one thing Syndra has right now is a novelty buff. She's new and fresh and that makes her a puzzle players want to solve. It also means you'll be getting banned a lot and actually getting your hands on the champ will be more difficult.
I'm not curtis and ain't pretending to know as much as he does but am Diamond and have experience playing amateur. Due to the fact that Syndra and Orianna are fairly similar, you may be able to pick her up quickly. You could cycle between them. You might need an overlap phase while you learn Syndra, but in the long term, it will actually benefit you a lot IMO. You've now got 2 champions to chose from that serve a similar purpose.
And hey, Orianna isn't in the best spot right now, playing a new champ could be a breath of fresh air.
I'd personally recommend sticking to orianna and playing champs with a differing identity. Syndra is a little TOO similar imo