To all those virgins out there waiting for marriage, stay strong and keep waiting. Keep the faith! God will bless you. And to those who have slipped up already, renew yourself and start over. Born again virginity will bring you blessings. It’s valid and pure, God’s forgiveness in Jesus’ name is so powerful.
We cannot run away again frm the fact that having sex ties souls meaning u become 1. We hear of teenagers committing suicide,its bcoz of entering into sumthing w/out understanding hw deep it is. When u lose this person u've already had sex with,u actually losing part of u & its painful, emotional. U can act as if u a player,u can sleep with whoever & dnt mind losing him/her,it's a lie. When u sit dwn & think of this,u feel ur soul has bin attached with many & its torn apart. U even feel lyk u can erase. U dnt feel proud of urself,bt ashamed. As long as we live,it's an opportunity 2 start afresh & try 2 live the way God wants to. Nt easy bt its 4 our own gud.
Its refreshing to see honest Christian conversations. As Christians we try to be perfect by not being honest. But through being honest one finds their own perfection.
I still remember these two from uct. 2013 I used to find them at the chapel praying and they were so compatible. I am so proud of you guys. You have held each other through so much and it can only be your character and grace that has held you thus far. Welldone guys❤
24 years and still a virgin. I thank the Lord for protecting me from all the pressure society throws at us. I real value my virgin and am proud of it . The way people speak about it this days like it's nothing. They try by all means to make you regret it.
This was an amazing episode! I’m 21 years old and I’m still a virgin🙏🏾 praise the Lord. Like the guests said, it was definitely a journey for me! When I first made the decision to obey God when I was like 13, I didn’t have full knowledge or understanding either and till this day I’m still learning what it means to be holy in mind and in action. But the fear of God is what kept me this whole time and God is so full of Grace. Being a Christian is honestly the best! I love how we can be real with Him. Then we realise we can boast in our weakness because when we are weak we are actually strong. I love the questions and the areas that were covered in this video and I really hope it goes viral and reaches more Christians because as much as it is wonderful to have God personally teach you these things like He taught me, it’s also important to share it with others because we really strengthen and encourage eachother as the body of Christ and we help others avoid certain things when they have this wisdom and knowledge from early in their walk with God. God bless you all! 🙌🏾❤️❤️ Edit: at 13 the main thing that kept me was fear of God, and avoiding pregnancy, HIV or anything like that. I didn’t want to take the risk because I had child minded a baby (my cousin) for so long (since I was 9), I knew the sacrifice that went into nurturing a child even though I was a child. I didn’t fully understand the real beauty and heavenly meaning behind sex, like I do now. I just knew I had to keep it for my future husband to honour him and to honour God and to avoid problems. It really has been worth it so far from all I’ve seen and encountered. Thanks for the support on my comment 🙏🏾 May God strengthen us on our journey.
@@noelashaoona 💯%!! It's also my opinion that if you stand your ground in this, you will be more wisely able to chose your future spouse, you won't settle for less than the best for you or rather for less than God's best.
Just before my hubby and I started dating, I had decided to be celibate... days after we started dating, before I could even tell him that I was celibate, he is the one who requested that we hold off kissing as long as we can and that we don't have sex till we got married. We dated 14 months and were engaged another 10 after that. Probably had our first baby kiss 3 months into the relationship and a proper one like 8 months in. Married 5yrs now. Celibacy wasn't easy but definitely worth it!
@Kananelo Mofokeng Thanks sis. It was never easy but honestly worth it. I truly love and appreciate the candid and realistic conversation on this vedio. Biggest celibacy take away for me was being able to build a solid friendship with my husband and not have our judgment about each other clouded by premature sexual intimacy. Also in a funny way, waiting built trust in our relationship.
This is refreshing. I am so old at my age and have no reason why I am still sealed. I want to lean on you and find a purpose. I read about celibacy but it's not kicking in yet. It's something out my mind but as I become an adult I want to understand the core of it. I am not planning of doing anything soon.
Guys, Mogale is Wise hlena. Watching this has taught me how important it is, to choose your circle. This sisterhood/friendship makes so much sense. Wow!
You forgot the core ingredient that permits all to fall together, GOD/ELOHIM/JEHOVA NISSI. The wisdom didn't grow from a tree, it came through the trials God permitted to occur in his life. He made a choice to surrender, die to the flesh and the rest is what we heard in the video.
@@WameD00 Folks need to get the hang of that and stop eliminating God out of the equation. We are because he created us in his own image. Genesis 1:25-27.
I've been passing this video everytime because I felt condemned yet I knew I wanted to stop having sex with my boyfriend but didn't know how to stop but now hearing about the benefits of waiting is what will help me have the conversation with him. Hearing that sex will actually help with "into-me-see" and understanding the "why" behind it makes it worth the wait. I'm glad I finally got the courage to come watch this and got direction ❤️
I'm in a new relationship as a born again and I am glorifying the Lord with my body. I'm lucky I met a man who made it clear the 1st week that I'm for keeps and if we ever date we'd wait for marriage. We can't rush what God started.
Praying God sees you both through. I watched "3strandcord" video on keeping boundaries while dating here on youtube. I never thought of it this way but they said having sex before marriage, even if you plan to marry your partner, still opens a legal door for the enemy to come into the marriage. Breaking rules on earth has consequences. That's also how spiritual rules work.
I love what Mohale said! As Christians, we are hypocrites. We judge people, failing to realise that we also have our own struggles. That's also one thing that annoys me about going to church.
Thank you for unpacking this in the most realistic way possible. I have learnt a lot. 1. Wait with understanding 2. It's not easy, don't suppress the difficulties and feelings which come with waiting, but rather be real about them! 3. Self-control in other areas of your life is also shaped and sharpened in the Waiting. 4. We are human, and even if you don't struggle with sexual sin per se, you def struggling with something in your life. Arggh man! My heart is full. So many take aways! Love you all and God bless you ❤️
Wow…I love this! I love the answer where he explained that “the feelings are normal, it’s normal to feel horny or sexual, but do not engage in the wrong context/time”. It’s healthy to have the sexual feelings but just to know that the timing may not be right now to engage in sexual acts.
I really enjoyed this open conversation especially as I am a Single Woman who intentionally remaining celibate & also not dating as I'm allowing God to do a great work in me & also healing me. Thank you for this great platform & looking forward to more podcasts like these.... Love & Light
What I really love about this conversation is honesty. The church is so not having these talks and that’s why I feel like we mess up so much. On top of that we can’t even be honest about sins we’re struggling with because there’s no platform. Judgement is so real that we’d rather pretend and keep breaking instead of facing the truth and finding healing!!!!
A few weeks ago we had a presentation at church and the speaker was talking about sex and marriage, but it was the same old Sex is a sin, don’t have sex, wait for marriage. There was still no why, how do we wait, what do we do when we experience these feelings,nothing🥺 …. This is the second realest conversation in church I’ve heard(first one was pastor Mike Todd series on Relationship goals)and I wish there could be more. I pray more people will come out and talk about it cause it’s tough in these Christian streets🤣🤣. I love God though Appreciate you all❤️
Nete Fela ...its so hard whereby you can't talk about sins we struggle about because when we have those kind of platforms we are judged so where do we run too when we can't run to the Church ..where it should be a home when we are conflicted of sin we know we can pray for each other !
It's actually so heartbreaking to read what both if you are saying and it is unfortunately true and really need to change. I was fortunate to find a church in my 20's were these conversations were not taboo but I know that's not the case in most.
Beautiful comments too. I'm just enjoying reading them. But honestly, having sex within the context of marriage is amazing. After my wedding, I was amazed that after sex, I felt so much confidence to even pray afterwards, but before marriage as a Christian, you will only feel condemnation after sex. I love this and keep it up all of you who are celibates.By the time I decided to be one, I was already pregnant 🤣
KB and Mog made me easy up a bit, that it's okay to feel something and still say no to it. I've always done it for the guy until I decided otherwise and indeed sex takes away one's innocence, it comes with so many regrets but once you start focusing on yourself worth, you'll even be able to tell if the guy really values you or the sex given. This was a great honest conversation and I'm sure many in relationships have grabbed something from it.
When my girl brought the conversation of No Sex, i wasn’t in full agreement with her at first, but what kept me to stay with her until I realized the importance of being celibate were the values i saw in her that actually matter for the long term which is way up the list of more important than sex and because i loved her genuinely. I’m glad she said No Sex and I’m glad i loved her well enough to not let Sex be an issue to break a beautiful union.
So this episode kind of popped on my timeline and I clicked on it because I though, "wow these ladies are really pretty and the guys look sharp too" plus the topic was really intriguing. Now when I finally did listen, I was blown away. Now I didn’t get to hear all the deep theological truths about sex and sexuality but what I did see were hearts that beat for God. People that do not claim they did everything right but that they trusted in God and His grace and that for me is the most beautiful that there is. Thank you for being vulnerable, open and honest. I remember a time in my journey where I struggled to just do everything right. Everytime I fell, it felt like my whole world had crumbled. I felt ashamed, depressed and rejected but then like you I heard HIS voice (God is near the broken-hearted isn't He). He thought me to stay grounded in Him. To stand not in my own strength but by His grace. To know that He wasn't just watching from the end but He was right there with me on this journey. He gave me a passage to encourage me in this journey “[God’s grace] teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” TITUS 2:12-13 To everyone who is still in the waiting season, I just want you to know that you are not alone. You have a friend in this fight, a father that loves you no matter what and a priest who is not untouched by your infirmities. Some books have also proved really helpful for me in terms of discovering the beauty of waiting and what exactly I am waiting for. They are; Dannah Gresh's "What are you waiting for" and Juli Slattery's "God’s design and why it matters: Rethinking Sexuality" and Dannah Gresh's "And the bride wore white". I saw this quote somewhere and I want to leave it for anyone who is struggling right now " The Father embraces you, The son emphasises with you and the Spirit empowers you". Walk in freedom and know you are more than a conqueror through Christ
I really loved what Kabelo said about people being celibate for different reasons not just faith because I’ve been celibate for 4 year’s and not dating but it’s just to wait for the right one for me. I truly enjoyed this and I like how open and honest the guests were❤️❤️❤️
This is the most RAW video I've ever seen on this topic. It wasn't even a go around and answering diplomatically. It is what it is. Appreciated! Edited You all look a like
The honesty in this conversation is beyond! This made me ease up about sex, all these feelings and my faith. I love what Mogale said about not letting other people force their convictions on me and calling them principles of the Kingdom. One should have their own relationship with God and he is the one to convict you. My heart is full. We need more of these types of conversations
Even for me a 56 years old, married for 34 years, this is inspiring. How I wish we had poeple who spoke this kind of truth in our days.I have forwarded it to a lot of young and "oldish" poeple single. Proud of you for your honesty!! May God continue to bless you with more wisdom, faith and love.
Well when i saw the tittle, I quickly jumped on the video. And to be honest it felt like i was having a conversation with God . I am 22 years of age and one of my resolutions this year was to try being celibate till i meet my God gifted husband. I didn’t know how to go about it but man 😭this was so enlightening. I am definitely coming back here3 years later to read this comment with my husband 😂( manifestation) . Because God has being speaking to me and it’s time to listen . Be blessed guys , thank you so much 😊 . I am going to enjoy the journey and walk with God . ♥️love from Botswana 🇧🇼
Very insightful. What Mog said about not suppressing the feelings triggered me. Also, as much as I know that sex is holy, I've been avoiding talking about it all because I thought it would "disturb" my celibacy journey. I loved loved this and its timing. This is God speaking to me through other people.
@@mc45892 you won't regret. The amount of self respect you will have for yourself from waiting will save you from even other situations in life. There's a reason God knows best.
Mpoomy and Brenden you're doing the Lord's work 🤝... I resonates so much with Kabelo's suppression of these feelings in The Wait and harder to acknowledge them if you've been suppressing for such a long time
Hi guys, love today's topic. I just want to say that there is a difference between celibecy and abstaining. The two are often used interchangeably but have different meaning and backgrounds. Celibecy is a personal choice to remain unmarried or engage in any sexual activity fulfilling a religious vow. Abstaining is often a temporary avoidance of sexual activities for any personal reasons. We really need to be having these conversations in the church circles as well. Thank you for the content.
"Into me see" is typical Christian speak 😅😂. Thank you for such candid conversation! God created pleasure. He is not trying to deprive us. Rather to protect us. Also such a beautiful thing to see masculinity submitted to Christ. We need more conversations like these. They are a reminder that God abides in flawed men & women who love Him! I'm 33 and waiting. Thank you for the encouragement!
this conversation touches on so many other things than just celibacy. Being true and honest to yourself and to God for one - acknowledging when you have failed/fallen and getting the strength to get back up and continue. Mpoomy Ledwaba - you truly are God's gift to us- thank you
This is one of the most real and honest conversations I’ve ever came across in my life it spoke to my heart and made me really reflect on my spiritual journey and just really made me aware that I’m not going through certain struggles alone since sex can be such a taboo topic. Thank you for this guys. God bless
What he said is true, I'm single, a total virgin at close to 29 and sometimes I don't even think about dating because I'm pretty sure my subconscious is like 'what do you need a man for?' some nights when I remember that I HAVE to date to find a husband and become a mom I wake up in cold sweats. Then I find myself replying to messages or joining tinder but once I don't find my 'husband material' I go back to forgetting again. So yea, I relate to Mogale, abstinence/celibacy gives you this massive sense of independence I've never seen or heard being discussed before. May you please look into and give us content on sometime?
I recommend a book called Messages to young people by E.G White, it teaches about the topics discussed here and so much more from a biblical point of view.
This has to be one of the best podcasts I have ever watched. So much wisdom and openess from each one of yall. This truly came at the right time for me. May God continue to bless you guys.
Jesus just led me as a youth to watch this. Hearing this revelation just makes me want the youth to know and have the wisdom of God to understand this. May the will of the LORD prosper in your lives in Jesus name.
Yohh, when you spoke about suppressing feelings neh. I am celibate and pursuing purity. I would love to get married oneday but problem is i have suppressed my feels so much that i fear am gonna have a problem in marriage when it comes to sex. I needed this podcast.
Good sex isn’t something that magically happens, it takes practice. The first night will, more likely than not, not be great, tho emotionally it will be fire. It might even hurt for the woman. Just be patient. It gets better and better with each and every year.
I love how both couples talked about how they’re still figuring it out in the bedroom. People set newly weds for failure when they act as if it’s gonna be bomb 1st night. Beautiful convo💜💜💜
Thank you for having this uncomfortable, honest conversation that needs to be had more often, especially in the church context with so much truth and grace ❤❤
I love Mogale.He's honest and open about his journey. His faith in the lord is truly inspiring and he's wise. Kabelo is blessed to have a husband like him❤
I love these open conversations especially for Christians on these topics. I'm also single and waiting at 33. Sex is beautiful, our God makes it so. And it's true that our relationship with God is paramount in our pursuit to the Altar and Heaven. Great conversation! 😎 👍
This has helped calm and clear my mind.. I have been struggling for a long time with relationships over this. I don't want to have sex before marriage which all my previous partners have been against. To me, why I have chosen to wait.. is because I want that intimacy with my husband, someone who hopefully will love the me that I am and choose to spend his whole life with me. I do not believe in divorce unless it's a situation where the is abuse of any kind. When you marry someone, you have to be willing to work through and walk through all the storms together even when you feel the love has ran out for the other person. Where there is love, there is hope.💫
Oh my goodness this video! I can so relate to this, really enjoyed hearing from another couple. Could we please have more of these, open, honest, candid conversations with other young married couples. You get a BIG thumbs up from me❤️
I'll be 29 in May and I'm still a virgin and single. It's beginning to get tougher for me now but i pray mr. right comes my way soon and takes me out of my fathers house 🙏
Loved this vid. Been 6 months now being celibate while pursuing purity and it's sincerely the best decision I've taken in my life. My relationship with God has been nothing short of great, so, during the 6 month period I've been having dreams and visions and discovered that I have a gift of prophecy. I highly recommend seeking purity and I wish so many young Christians could watch this video 💙
My writing gift came back after I went celibate and concentrated on my relationship with God Purity unclogs us to be used by God I share my purity journey out of sexual addictions like porn here at ua-cam.com/users/francesokoro It may help many here
I have always thought that as Christians, our duty is to make people feel the love and presence of God through us,and that doesn't happen by making people feel judged or condemned/making them feel like they are not worthy of God's love. And I'm grateful that you guys are doing exactly that. I love how your videos are such a learning curve that doesn't leave me feeling like, "yah I'm messed up" 😪...but they come with so much wisdom, love and acceptance. Can never thank you enough for that.❤
Amen. He tell us to wait but gives us the assistance that we need, provided that we draw near to Him in the waiting, don’t try do it in your own strength.
I loved this take on celibacy and the wait; it was so real and relatable…the struggle most of us encountered was shared and suddenly one realises , it’s ok to be human.
How timely is this conversation 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 This has been an ongoing struggle throughout various relationships for me. I'll be "celibate" when I'm single then the moment I'm in a relationship it's all out the window. I'll then indulge then start to feel guilty again and then suggest celibacy to said partner and end up getting cheated on🤦🏾♀️. I desire the spirit of God to help me stand in my truth first and foremost. To help me stick to what my soul wants, which is to wait. I want myself and my partner to focus on our spiritual walk together before we indulge in the physical. I also resonate with having negative perceptions of sex. I've got a pretty high sex drive btw but when I make up my mind not to indulge.. I can go without (except y'know....when I'm not single so I don't even know if that counts😭). However, I struggle with the mental aspect of sex being portrayed as a bad thing. Obviously I get constant urges but those urges turn into thoughts of condemnation. Also I can't seem to find a partner who understands where I'm coming from. It's such a struggle, the bulk of it. I pray God aligns me with someone on a similar path so that together we can tackle these things together. My lips to God's ears🥺🙏🏾
Hello dear, I would like to suggest that you take it up to God in prayer through intentional prayer. I believe God is Almighty and He says He is in the Bible. Ask Him to keep you strong in your celibacy journey and bring your person along the way when you are ready. I am currently celibate and single. I believe when you meet someone you believe is compatible with you, talk about celibacy and their spiritual nature. If it doesn't align with what you have been asking God for, let it go. Whatever God wants for you comes in clarity, not chaos. May you be blessed in the name of Jesus our Lord.
Uyati God speaks 😊. This can't be a coincidence. Just motivation for me to keep on trying my best to be faithful to His word. I'm from watching a sermon about what Joseph had to go through when he heard His fiancee kutsi she was pregnant. There was no sense in that. Even though I'm female but I feel like Joseph right now. The storm I'm going through doesnt make sense especially after i tried doing everything the right way. But for His glory it won't all make sense. We ought to say Yes Lord and follow. Lemme tune in.
What a beautiful episode! This is so real, I enjoyed how authentic they are. Waiting is always a great idea. Thank you Ledwaba's for bringing these to us.
Lol here I am, a 24 year old young broer and still haven’t indulged in that nkonzo😅 “difficult” is an understatement!! But I know the wait will be worth it🤞🏽 God please let it be worth it😂😩
When I was still in vasity my lecturer said married people after a while kinda look alike, as if they are siblings, my word the way batho ba ba tshwanang ka teng ruri OK no now I really wanna wait for marriage. this was so beautiful.
This video is so insightful even especially for those who are still young or even about to enter their 20s like me.It helps to know how we should go about certain things in our lives thank you so much.
How I love, love, love the guest selection in this week's episode. I appreciated everyone's point of view and the truth in the challenges that come with being a believer in Christ and also being human about these things. You guys truly outdid yourselves with this one.💯💖
Kabelo and her hubby👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽blessings guys. I like when Mohale said "it's been over a year but we are still figuring it out". We love the honesty and breaking barriers on unpopular conversations ❤️❤️❤️
I love this cos I am also celibate and I waiting for my kingdom soon to be husband to wait with me till we tie the knot. I love that I am not the only person rooting for this Waiting is so necessary And it’s also helps you with self control.🌺🌺❤️
I really enjoyed this, and how honest you all were. I love hearing the men's perspective as well because sometimes, we get tired of hearing about the virtues of celibacy from other women. We absolutely need other women supporting us in this, but when it's a one sided conversation, it's easy to start thinking we are staying pure for the Lord on our own. Like, I am choosing celibacy only to meet men who are for the streets, and unwilling to leave those streets behind lol. Im creeping up on 40, so nobody's son is checking for me lol but it's nice to know that there are young men out here seeking God, and honouring themselves and their partners. We need more from this foursome please!
To all those virgins out there waiting for marriage, stay strong and keep waiting. Keep the faith! God will bless you. And to those who have slipped up already, renew yourself and start over. Born again virginity will bring you blessings. It’s valid and pure, God’s forgiveness in Jesus’ name is so powerful.
Brenden struggling to say "sex" shows that (regardless of having children or not) your parents really never stop being your parents 🤣. I love it ❤
Such an uncomfortable conversation but l am smiling .
We cannot run away again frm the fact that having sex ties souls meaning u become 1. We hear of teenagers committing suicide,its bcoz of entering into sumthing w/out understanding hw deep it is.
When u lose this person u've already had sex with,u actually losing part of u & its painful, emotional.
U can act as if u a player,u can sleep with whoever & dnt mind losing him/her,it's a lie. When u sit dwn & think of this,u feel ur soul has bin attached with many & its torn apart. U even feel lyk u can erase. U dnt feel proud of urself,bt ashamed.
As long as we live,it's an opportunity 2 start afresh & try 2 live the way God wants to. Nt easy bt its 4 our own gud.
28 years and still a virgin😍😍 I love God who strengthens me 🌸.
Keep it up we are waiting
Keep going 💪
It's a beautiful thing to have
Me 2 but older
Me 3 😊
Its refreshing to see honest Christian conversations. As Christians we try to be perfect by not being honest. But through being honest one finds their own perfection.
Like its so amazing & seeing the perspectives of young people about their faith & their religion
Amen, say it again! The truth unfiltered. 🙏👏
Amen
I still remember these two from uct. 2013 I used to find them at the chapel praying and they were so compatible. I am so proud of you guys. You have held each other through so much and it can only be your character and grace that has held you thus far. Welldone guys❤
Ahh such a beautiful message Denzhe💜
Beautiful indeed💖💖
Am 22 years old and still a virgin, I thank God for keeping me strong and I will go on till I meet my husband inshaallah ❤
Hie based in Southafrica and you
Hie I'm based in Southafrica and you
I can wait until marriage purity in the eyes of God is good can I know you 🙏
20 years and still a virgin , it's by the grace and mercies of God
Stay Blessed
Me toooo I am 20
24 years and still a virgin. I thank the Lord for protecting me from all the pressure society throws at us. I real value my virgin and am proud of it .
The way people speak about it this days like it's nothing. They try by all means to make you regret it.
This was an amazing episode! I’m 21 years old and I’m still a virgin🙏🏾 praise the Lord. Like the guests said, it was definitely a journey for me! When I first made the decision to obey God when I was like 13, I didn’t have full knowledge or understanding either and till this day I’m still learning what it means to be holy in mind and in action. But the fear of God is what kept me this whole time and God is so full of Grace. Being a Christian is honestly the best! I love how we can be real with Him. Then we realise we can boast in our weakness because when we are weak we are actually strong. I love the questions and the areas that were covered in this video and I really hope it goes viral and reaches more Christians because as much as it is wonderful to have God personally teach you these things like He taught me, it’s also important to share it with others because we really strengthen and encourage eachother as the body of Christ and we help others avoid certain things when they have this wisdom and knowledge from early in their walk with God. God bless you all! 🙌🏾❤️❤️
Edit: at 13 the main thing that kept me was fear of God, and avoiding pregnancy, HIV or anything like that. I didn’t want to take the risk because I had child minded a baby (my cousin) for so long (since I was 9), I knew the sacrifice that went into nurturing a child even though I was a child. I didn’t fully understand the real beauty and heavenly meaning behind sex, like I do now. I just knew I had to keep it for my future husband to honour him and to honour God and to avoid problems. It really has been worth it so far from all I’ve seen and encountered.
Thanks for the support on my comment 🙏🏾 May God strengthen us on our journey.
Keep up I swear you won’t regret it.
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@@noelashaoona 💯%!!
It's also my opinion that if you stand your ground in this, you will be more wisely able to chose your future spouse, you won't settle for less than the best for you or rather for less than God's best.
@@noelashaoona thank you❤️
@@nanit06 yess this is so true. I’m more intentional with who I date.
Just before my hubby and I started dating, I had decided to be celibate... days after we started dating, before I could even tell him that I was celibate, he is the one who requested that we hold off kissing as long as we can and that we don't have sex till we got married. We dated 14 months and were engaged another 10 after that. Probably had our first baby kiss 3 months into the relationship and a proper one like 8 months in.
Married 5yrs now.
Celibacy wasn't easy but definitely worth it!
OMG!!
@Kananelo Mofokeng Thanks sis.
It was never easy but honestly worth it. I truly love and appreciate the candid and realistic conversation on this vedio.
Biggest celibacy take away for me was being able to build a solid friendship with my husband and not have our judgment about each other clouded by premature sexual intimacy. Also in a funny way, waiting built trust in our relationship.
🕯🕯🕯🕯 manifesting for myself and other sisters out there🥺🥺
Wow, so inspiring
This is refreshing. I am so old at my age and have no reason why I am still sealed. I want to lean on you and find a purpose. I read about celibacy but it's not kicking in yet. It's something out my mind but as I become an adult I want to understand the core of it. I am not planning of doing anything soon.
Guys, Mogale is Wise hlena. Watching this has taught me how important it is, to choose your circle. This sisterhood/friendship makes so much sense. Wow!
True
You forgot the core ingredient that permits all to fall together, GOD/ELOHIM/JEHOVA NISSI. The wisdom didn't grow from a tree, it came through the trials God permitted to occur in his life. He made a choice to surrender, die to the flesh and the rest is what we heard in the video.
@@porschenator sooooo true🙌🏾
@@WameD00 Folks need to get the hang of that and stop eliminating God out of the equation. We are because he created us in his own image. Genesis 1:25-27.
Sooo true.
Sex outside marriage is dangerous because of the spiritual consequences that it has.
I've been passing this video everytime because I felt condemned yet I knew I wanted to stop having sex with my boyfriend but didn't know how to stop but now hearing about the benefits of waiting is what will help me have the conversation with him. Hearing that sex will actually help with "into-me-see" and understanding the "why" behind it makes it worth the wait. I'm glad I finally got the courage to come watch this and got direction ❤️
I'm in a new relationship as a born again and I am glorifying the Lord with my body. I'm lucky I met a man who made it clear the 1st week that I'm for keeps and if we ever date we'd wait for marriage. We can't rush what God started.
Wow. It's so uplifting when a man leads with such integrity and opens up the way before you can even air it out. You are blessed mami.
Praying God sees you both through. I watched "3strandcord" video on keeping boundaries while dating here on youtube. I never thought of it this way but they said having sex before marriage, even if you plan to marry your partner, still opens a legal door for the enemy to come into the marriage. Breaking rules on earth has consequences. That's also how spiritual rules work.
I love what Mohale said! As Christians, we are hypocrites. We judge people, failing to realise that we also have our own struggles. That's also one thing that annoys me about going to church.
Church is just a bunch of broken people in one place trying to get help(and some resisting it), find one that works for you
Loving this Conversation so much, I love how real everyone is,many young christians need to watch this.
Thank you for unpacking this in the most realistic way possible. I have learnt a lot.
1. Wait with understanding
2. It's not easy, don't suppress the difficulties and feelings which come with waiting, but rather be real about them!
3. Self-control in other areas of your life is also shaped and sharpened in the Waiting.
4. We are human, and even if you don't struggle with sexual sin per se, you def struggling with something in your life.
Arggh man! My heart is full. So many take aways!
Love you all and God bless you ❤️
You summarized it well
This is beautiful
The realness in this talk makes me push harder in pursuing celibacy ❤️❤️ .🇰🇪🇰🇪well represented 😊
Hello my fellow waiting sister from Kenya 🇰🇪
@@sanitationEng hi dear 😊
We push harder....well said sister
Wakenya mko kila mahali
Conversation poa sana
Wow…I love this! I love the answer where he explained that “the feelings are normal, it’s normal to feel horny or sexual, but do not engage in the wrong context/time”. It’s healthy to have the sexual feelings but just to know that the timing may not be right now to engage in sexual acts.
I really enjoyed this open conversation especially as I am a Single Woman who intentionally remaining celibate & also not dating as I'm allowing God to do a great work in me & also healing me. Thank you for this great platform & looking forward to more podcasts like these.... Love & Light
You won’t regret this season!🙌🏾
@@zona_davani totally agree!🙂
you know!
16h00 The way the lady is admiring her husband while he's sharing his insights😩😍🙌🏽
What I really love about this conversation is honesty. The church is so not having these talks and that’s why I feel like we mess up so much. On top of that we can’t even be honest about sins we’re struggling with because there’s no platform. Judgement is so real that we’d rather pretend and keep breaking instead of facing the truth and finding healing!!!!
A few weeks ago we had a presentation at church and the speaker was talking about sex and marriage, but it was the same old Sex is a sin, don’t have sex, wait for marriage. There was still no why, how do we wait, what do we do when we experience these feelings,nothing🥺 …. This is the second realest conversation in church I’ve heard(first one was pastor Mike Todd series on Relationship goals)and I wish there could be more.
I pray more people will come out and talk about it cause it’s tough in these Christian streets🤣🤣. I love God though
Appreciate you all❤️
Nete Fela ...its so hard whereby you can't talk about sins we struggle about because when we have those kind of platforms we are judged so where do we run too when we can't run to the Church ..where it should be a home when we are conflicted of sin we know we can pray for each other !
It's actually so heartbreaking to read what both if you are saying and it is unfortunately true and really need to change.
I was fortunate to find a church in my 20's were these conversations were not taboo but I know that's not the case in most.
What are some of the reasons that women become celibate?
Eyiiiii preach my dude
Worked with Mogale back in 2018 . Beautiful to see him blossoming in this way . God is really doing His thing with this couple ✨
"It's not about doing it right, but being real in it. " - Mogale
that was a real one
that was a real one
I like the conversation,I learned so much 😍
That was a good one
Bars 🔥🔥
Beautiful comments too. I'm just enjoying reading them. But honestly, having sex within the context of marriage is amazing. After my wedding, I was amazed that after sex, I felt so much confidence to even pray afterwards, but before marriage as a Christian, you will only feel condemnation after sex. I love this and keep it up all of you who are celibates.By the time I decided to be one, I was already pregnant 🤣
This is so true😂😂
best n raw comment i've erver seen looooool
Awww I’m laughing aaaa
Soo true
😂😂
"Wait with understanding."
- Kabelo
When mpumi said (God is bigger than our small imaginations - we are yet to find out why God created us with these feelings... what an Aha moment!
KB and Mog made me easy up a bit, that it's okay to feel something and still say no to it.
I've always done it for the guy until I decided otherwise and indeed sex takes away one's innocence, it comes with so many regrets but once you start focusing on yourself worth, you'll even be able to tell if the guy really values you or the sex given.
This was a great honest conversation and I'm sure many in relationships have grabbed something from it.
When my girl brought the conversation of No Sex, i wasn’t in full agreement with her at first, but what kept me to stay with her until I realized the importance of being celibate were the values i saw in her that actually matter for the long term which is way up the list of more important than sex and because i loved her genuinely.
I’m glad she said No Sex and I’m glad i loved her well enough to not let Sex be an issue to break a beautiful union.
@@realtalkwithphil you're proofing I what I believe, true love waits
So this episode kind of popped on my timeline and I clicked on it because I though, "wow these ladies are really pretty and the guys look sharp too" plus the topic was really intriguing. Now when I finally did listen, I was blown away. Now I didn’t get to hear all the deep theological truths about sex and sexuality but what I did see were hearts that beat for God. People that do not claim they did everything right but that they trusted in God and His grace and that for me is the most beautiful that there is. Thank you for being vulnerable, open and honest.
I remember a time in my journey where I struggled to just do everything right. Everytime I fell, it felt like my whole world had crumbled. I felt ashamed, depressed and rejected but then like you I heard HIS voice (God is near the broken-hearted isn't He).
He thought me to stay grounded in Him. To stand not in my own strength but by His grace. To know that He wasn't just watching from the end but He was right there with me on this journey. He gave me a passage to encourage me in this journey
“[God’s grace] teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
TITUS 2:12-13
To everyone who is still in the waiting season, I just want you to know that you are not alone. You have a friend in this fight, a father that loves you no matter what and a priest who is not untouched by your infirmities.
Some books have also proved really helpful for me in terms of discovering the beauty of waiting and what exactly I am waiting for. They are; Dannah Gresh's "What are you waiting for" and Juli Slattery's "God’s design and why it matters: Rethinking Sexuality" and Dannah Gresh's "And the bride wore white".
I saw this quote somewhere and I want to leave it for anyone who is struggling right now " The Father embraces you, The son emphasises with you and the Spirit empowers you".
Walk in freedom and know you are more than a conqueror through Christ
Amen! God bless you for this
Wow!sikes! This is an amazing comment. I like how it's filled with God's loving redemptive spirit
Woow thank you for this comment, God bless you🙌🙌🙌🙌
I really loved what Kabelo said about people being celibate for different reasons not just faith because I’ve been celibate for 4 year’s and not dating but it’s just to wait for the right one for me. I truly enjoyed this and I like how open and honest the guests were❤️❤️❤️
This is the most RAW video I've ever seen on this topic. It wasn't even a go around and answering diplomatically. It is what it is.
Appreciated!
Edited
You all look a like
They do hey
Its the last statement for me
They really do look alike. They are all beautiful couples
Thank you for having this honest realistic conversation…You’re helping alot of people ❤️
The honesty in this conversation is beyond! This made me ease up about sex, all these feelings and my faith. I love what Mogale said about not letting other people force their convictions on me and calling them principles of the Kingdom. One should have their own relationship with God and he is the one to convict you.
My heart is full. We need more of these types of conversations
Kabelo is starting to look more like her husband 🥺🥺❤️
Hie based in Eastlondon are you still virgin I can' wait until marriage ready for lobola just want to know you
Hie are you still virgin based in Eastlondon SA ready for to wait until marriage ready for lobola
Even for me a 56 years old, married for 34 years, this is inspiring. How I wish we had poeple who spoke this kind of truth in our days.I have forwarded it to a lot of young and "oldish" poeple single.
Proud of you for your honesty!! May God continue to bless you with more wisdom, faith and love.
Well when i saw the tittle, I quickly jumped on the video. And to be honest it felt like i was having a conversation with God . I am 22 years of age and one of my resolutions this year was to try being celibate till i meet my God gifted husband. I didn’t know how to go about it but man 😭this was so enlightening. I am definitely coming back here3 years later to read this comment with my husband 😂( manifestation) . Because God has being speaking to me and it’s time to listen . Be blessed guys , thank you so much 😊 . I am going to enjoy the journey and walk with God . ♥️love from Botswana 🇧🇼
Amen
Amen Sis also a 22 year old. ❤❤❤
Amen....am 21 and I started being celibate since last year till I meet my perfect match
Me and you !🤞 just thought of taking this lesson and practice it because really we don't have a valid reason to have sex at 22
Hie based in Southafrica
Very insightful. What Mog said about not suppressing the feelings triggered me. Also, as much as I know that sex is holy, I've been avoiding talking about it all because I thought it would "disturb" my celibacy journey. I loved loved this and its timing. This is God speaking to me through other people.
I pray a lot of young people get to watch this video and be inspired to wait ❤️
I’m watching I’m 15 and I really want to get married before having sex I feel like it really important to wait
@@mc45892 ❤️❤️
@@mc45892 you won't regret. The amount of self respect you will have for yourself from waiting will save you from even other situations in life. There's a reason God knows best.
Wow this vid just popped in time.. am a Christian and my story is so similar to theirs ❤️🥺 Thanks for dropping it... Love all the way From Kenya🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪
Mpoomy and Brenden you're doing the Lord's work 🤝... I resonates so much with Kabelo's suppression of these feelings in The Wait and harder to acknowledge them if you've been suppressing for such a long time
Hi guys, love today's topic. I just want to say that there is a difference between celibecy and abstaining. The two are often used interchangeably but have different meaning and backgrounds. Celibecy is a personal choice to remain unmarried or engage in any sexual activity fulfilling a religious vow. Abstaining is often a temporary avoidance of sexual activities for any personal reasons. We really need to be having these conversations in the church circles as well. Thank you for the content.
Thank You for noting this, many tend to miss this and its affects aren't bad
I love how honest and real the conversations are here, I absolutely love this.
"Into me see" is typical Christian speak 😅😂.
Thank you for such candid conversation!
God created pleasure. He is not trying to deprive us. Rather to protect us.
Also such a beautiful thing to see masculinity submitted to Christ.
We need more conversations like these. They are a reminder that God abides in flawed men & women who love Him!
I'm 33 and waiting. Thank you for the encouragement!
this conversation touches on so many other things than just celibacy. Being true and honest to yourself and to God for one - acknowledging when you have failed/fallen and getting the strength to get back up and continue. Mpoomy Ledwaba - you truly are God's gift to us- thank you
Not a coincidence I strongly believe God has led me to this video for a reason.
Thank you fam for a beautiful conversation 🙏❤️
Same
Same😭
Kabelo Mohale You are full of wisdom my guy.. You and your wife are a great example of a young Christian couple!
Meant Mogale and your wife
This is one of the most real and honest conversations I’ve ever came across in my life it spoke to my heart and made me really reflect on my spiritual journey and just really made me aware that I’m not going through certain struggles alone since sex can be such a taboo topic. Thank you for this guys. God bless
This friendship makes so much sense ❤
Yoh bra!!!! For real
What he said is true, I'm single, a total virgin at close to 29 and sometimes I don't even think about dating because I'm pretty sure my subconscious is like 'what do you need a man for?' some nights when I remember that I HAVE to date to find a husband and become a mom I wake up in cold sweats. Then I find myself replying to messages or joining tinder but once I don't find my 'husband material' I go back to forgetting again. So yea, I relate to Mogale, abstinence/celibacy gives you this massive sense of independence I've never seen or heard being discussed before. May you please look into and give us content on sometime?
This is so good, totally relatable 💯💯 would like to see that content too.
Giiiirl, at least you think about Tinder. Idk wtf is wrong with me, however I am glad I am not alone.
I can so relate to your story girl. I am good to go with my sleep and tv. I also avoid these porn they act all in the name of movies
@@pokiepokuaah9204 Also my life is so hectic and depressing I don't have time to think about men. 😂😂
29 too and same situation
Brenden when he speaks🥺. He is full of wisdom, I can’t deal😤❤️
"Learn your own faith walk and learn it with the TRUTH and the SPIRIT!" 😭 Thank you
"Its not about doing it right, but being real in it"💜
“If I’m on earth , I got struggles , I’m flawed . “ loved it ❤️
I recommend a book called Messages to young people by E.G White, it teaches about the topics discussed here and so much more from a biblical point of view.
Maranatha
Amen
You're an Adventist?
I love that book
@@mfundomagubane8499 Masala masihambeni❤❤
This has to be one of the best podcasts I have ever watched. So much wisdom and openess from each one of yall. This truly came at the right time for me. May God continue to bless you guys.
True
Mogale Mohale raises very valid points. I like his perspective.
Love love Kabelo's voice; definitely will be tuning in to her channel. She's as stunning inside as she is on the outside 😍
Jesus just led me as a youth to watch this. Hearing this revelation just makes me want the youth to know and have the wisdom of God to understand this. May the will of the LORD prosper in your lives in Jesus name.
Guys, is me that sees the ladies looking alike and the gents looking alike
The first thing I noticed is that they are all like twins
Especial girls
No love😅
Me too I see the same way
Me too 😂
Mogale has so much wisdom. I loved the honesty throughout!
Oh yes, a person can be very judgemental just because they sin differently. I love this conversation
This was a beautiful conversation. Something as Christians we don’t about a lot or as openly.
Yohh, when you spoke about suppressing feelings neh. I am celibate and pursuing purity. I would love to get married oneday but problem is i have suppressed my feels so much that i fear am gonna have a problem in marriage when it comes to sex.
I needed this podcast.
Talk to God, pray about it. Walk with Him! His plans for you are to prosper you not harm you.
It helped even to my wife coz she was celibacy for long time.
That true sex is a journey
Good sex isn’t something that magically happens, it takes practice. The first night will, more likely than not, not be great, tho emotionally it will be fire. It might even hurt for the woman. Just be patient. It gets better and better with each and every year.
I love how both couples talked about how they’re still figuring it out in the bedroom. People set newly weds for failure when they act as if it’s gonna be bomb 1st night. Beautiful convo💜💜💜
It’s great to hear and see that these concepts and principles are possible and not as far fetched as society make them to be. Great conversation guys!
Thank you for having this uncomfortable, honest conversation that needs to be had more often, especially in the church context with so much truth and grace ❤❤
This was really amazing! It's a topic that the church doesn't really talk about. So I am so glad that you brought this conversation to this platform
I love Mogale.He's honest and open about his journey. His faith in the lord is truly inspiring and he's wise. Kabelo is blessed to have a husband like him❤
I love these open conversations especially for Christians on these topics. I'm also single and waiting at 33. Sex is beautiful, our God makes it so. And it's true that our relationship with God is paramount in our pursuit to the Altar and Heaven. Great conversation! 😎 👍
Hie I'm from Zimbabwe based in SouthAfrica i can wait until marriage can i know you
The Universal Question : why dd God see David as a man after His own heart?
Beautiful Podcast❤; Love both Couples 😍
Glory be to God 🙌
This has helped calm and clear my mind.. I have been struggling for a long time with relationships over this. I don't want to have sex before marriage which all my previous partners have been against. To me, why I have chosen to wait.. is because I want that intimacy with my husband, someone who hopefully will love the me that I am and choose to spend his whole life with me. I do not believe in divorce unless it's a situation where the is abuse of any kind. When you marry someone, you have to be willing to work through and walk through all the storms together even when you feel the love has ran out for the other person.
Where there is love, there is hope.💫
Hie based in Eastlondon I don't mind to wait until marriage can I know you better as friends
Oh my goodness this video!
I can so relate to this, really enjoyed hearing from another couple.
Could we please have more of these, open, honest, candid conversations with other young married couples.
You get a BIG thumbs up from me❤️
The honesty. The empathy. The reality. Maaaaan👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 thank God for Mpoomy and Brendan❤️ may God help all of us
I'll be 29 in May and I'm still a virgin and single. It's beginning to get tougher for me now but i pray mr. right comes my way soon and takes me out of my fathers house 🙏
He's on his way❤️
Loved this vid. Been 6 months now being celibate while pursuing purity and it's sincerely the best decision I've taken in my life. My relationship with God has been nothing short of great, so, during the 6 month period I've been having dreams and visions and discovered that I have a gift of prophecy. I highly recommend seeking purity and I wish so many young Christians could watch this video 💙
Yes giirl we watching this 100
My 2022 and beyond. To stay pure and obedient.
My writing gift came back after I went celibate and concentrated on my relationship with God
Purity unclogs us to be used by God
I share my purity journey out of sexual addictions like porn here at ua-cam.com/users/francesokoro
It may help many here
I have always thought that as Christians, our duty is to make people feel the love and presence of God through us,and that doesn't happen by making people feel judged or condemned/making them feel like they are not worthy of God's love. And I'm grateful that you guys are doing exactly that. I love how your videos are such a learning curve that doesn't leave me feeling like, "yah I'm messed up" 😪...but they come with so much wisdom, love and acceptance. Can never thank you enough for that.❤
If everything was easy the Holy Spirit would have no work 🙏🏼
I say ask God for help the Holy Spirit will help and guide you ❤️
Amen. He tell us to wait but gives us the assistance that we need, provided that we draw near to Him in the waiting, don’t try do it in your own strength.
A year later this is soooo relevant, Mogale is goals the honesty and wisdom is out of this world.
I loved this take on celibacy and the wait; it was so real and relatable…the struggle most of us encountered was shared and suddenly one realises , it’s ok to be human.
I'm humbled by all you guys🙏❤️what a meaningful conversation.
I sincerely enjoyed this conversation 😌🙌, I love how authentic mogale is.
How timely is this conversation 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 This has been an ongoing struggle throughout various relationships for me. I'll be "celibate" when I'm single then the moment I'm in a relationship it's all out the window. I'll then indulge then start to feel guilty again and then suggest celibacy to said partner and end up getting cheated on🤦🏾♀️. I desire the spirit of God to help me stand in my truth first and foremost. To help me stick to what my soul wants, which is to wait. I want myself and my partner to focus on our spiritual walk together before we indulge in the physical. I also resonate with having negative perceptions of sex. I've got a pretty high sex drive btw but when I make up my mind not to indulge.. I can go without (except y'know....when I'm not single so I don't even know if that counts😭). However, I struggle with the mental aspect of sex being portrayed as a bad thing. Obviously I get constant urges but those urges turn into thoughts of condemnation. Also I can't seem to find a partner who understands where I'm coming from. It's such a struggle, the bulk of it. I pray God aligns me with someone on a similar path so that together we can tackle these things together. My lips to God's ears🥺🙏🏾
I'm actually on the same page with you! Pray about that and maybe you can try a long distance relationship.
My struggle everyday ....
My constant struggle.. even now. It's so hard
The first thing you should do is draw that boundary by the telling the guy that you would love to wait till your wedding night.next new relationship.
Hello dear, I would like to suggest that you take it up to God in prayer through intentional prayer. I believe God is Almighty and He says He is in the Bible. Ask Him to keep you strong in your celibacy journey and bring your person along the way when you are ready. I am currently celibate and single. I believe when you meet someone you believe is compatible with you, talk about celibacy and their spiritual nature. If it doesn't align with what you have been asking God for, let it go. Whatever God wants for you comes in clarity, not chaos. May you be blessed in the name of Jesus our Lord.
This Love Journey is absolutely beautiful. Oh man I loved this 🥰🥰
This conversation was sooooooo intimate!❤. Love the honesty and I'm inspired, thank you✨
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Uyati God speaks 😊. This can't be a coincidence. Just motivation for me to keep on trying my best to be faithful to His word. I'm from watching a sermon about what Joseph had to go through when he heard His fiancee kutsi she was pregnant. There was no sense in that. Even though I'm female but I feel like Joseph right now. The storm I'm going through doesnt make sense especially after i tried doing everything the right way. But for His glory it won't all make sense. We ought to say Yes Lord and follow.
Lemme tune in.
What a beautiful episode! This is so real, I enjoyed how authentic they are. Waiting is always a great idea. Thank you Ledwaba's for bringing these to us.
Lol here I am, a 24 year old young broer and still haven’t indulged in that nkonzo😅 “difficult” is an understatement!! But I know the wait will be worth it🤞🏽
God please let it be worth it😂😩
I know right
@@toluwaakinbola92 patience is all it is🤞🏽
It is so worth it!
When I was still in vasity my lecturer said married people after a while kinda look alike, as if they are siblings, my word the way batho ba ba tshwanang ka teng ruri
OK no now I really wanna wait for marriage. this was so beautiful.
This was fun and educational, The Mohale’s were Brutal honest, we learn everyday, I really enjoyed the conversation … Much Marato❤️❤️
Such an amazing conversation. I love every minute of it. This celibate journey isn't easy but Holy Spirit is here to guide.
This video is so insightful even especially for those who are still young or even about to enter their 20s like me.It helps to know how we should go about certain things in our lives thank you so much.
Kabelo is such a well spoken , soft spoken , smart lady ❤️
How I love, love, love the guest selection in this week's episode. I appreciated everyone's point of view and the truth in the challenges that come with being a believer in Christ and also being human about these things. You guys truly outdid yourselves with this one.💯💖
Kabelo and her hubby👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽blessings guys. I like when Mohale said "it's been over a year but we are still figuring it out". We love the honesty and breaking barriers on unpopular conversations ❤️❤️❤️
This podcast is so educational keep on the good work mpoomy and Brendon ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️it's life changing
What a lovely episode. Love the honesty from both couples. Kabelo is so gracious ❤️
Brenden's editing skills are on point!! Thank you for this video, absolutely loved it.
Alignment in friendship looks like this, please, I want nothing less🙏✨✨✨✨
I know right?
The openness,the honesty absolutely amazing.I think such conversations are a need within the church.We learn from the ones ahead of us .thank you ♥️
I love this cos I am also celibate and I waiting for my kingdom soon to be husband to wait with me till we tie the knot.
I love that I am not the only person rooting for this
Waiting is so necessary
And it’s also helps you with self control.🌺🌺❤️
I really enjoyed this, and how honest you all were. I love hearing the men's perspective as well because sometimes, we get tired of hearing about the virtues of celibacy from other women. We absolutely need other women supporting us in this, but when it's a one sided conversation, it's easy to start thinking we are staying pure for the Lord on our own. Like, I am choosing celibacy only to meet men who are for the streets, and unwilling to leave those streets behind lol. Im creeping up on 40, so nobody's son is checking for me lol but it's nice to know that there are young men out here seeking God, and honouring themselves and their partners. We need more from this foursome please!