Elizabeth Debicki also deserves it, she became Diana like no other actress before. I hope these actors will get some recognition, even if Judi Dench started this "trash The Crown" nonsense, just because she's friends with Camilla and suddenly they got offended... by the truth.
I think Phillip drew on his own personal experience. He was forced to walk behind the coffin of his beloved older sister and the Nazi government had used the occasion as a huge state event, with cameras and banners everywhere. To Philip, his sister’s funeral, which should have been a private and solemn affair (in his mind) was turned into a spectacle.
This is perfect. In real life, Charles did mourn for Diana and regret failing her in life. And this scene did a perfect job in capturing that grief and guilt as Charles wanted to hold a public funeral for his ex-wife and pointing out to his parents, mostly his mother, that they need to be the face of a nation for grieving someone who was loved by their entire country.
Yuck eff no, this whole season 6 felt it was approved by him and his side piece, lies lies lies. How do you expect us to believe he mourned her when there's literally headlines months after her death about charles and that horrid women getting remarried?
Please. It’s all about Image. CHARLES cared about how hard the People would make his Future Reign (and plans with CAMILLA). ELIZABETH II was less a grandmother, and more a person protecting the Heirs; as she knew that CHARLES’ reign would likely be shorter than hers. Calculating woman.
Do the two idiots above me realize that the real world is not just either black or white and that real human beings are not either evil kitten killing psychopaths or goody two shoes babyfaces?
@@Fangshuifarttheory Gotta love how Charles haters can't procss anything but "Charles bad" and accuse a show of conspiracy just because it doesn't demonize somene they dislike. Yes, Charles mourned her in real life. And he didn't marry Camilla until YEARS later so not sure what imaginary headlines you are thinking of.
@@joiisler8986 How was she "calculating"? Its no secret reigns don't usually go as long as hers did, she was only on the throne so long becaus he father died early.
charles fianally admits he let diana down in life.the british people loved diana and this was there way of showing her kids just how much she influenced people.not just in britain but here in the united states as well
I read an article that said King Charles was at odds with Queen Elizabeth regarding Princess Diana's funeral arrangements...and put his foot down regarding a public funeral...whereas the Queen wanted a private one...in my own opinion I think that the unprecedented public grieving for Princess Diana's loss left no choice for Queen Elizabeth in the long run...I still remember the citizens of Great Britain getting upset that the Queen hadn't responded as fast as the people had wished...but I think she did the right thing in ensuring that both Prince William and Prince Harry were to be the priority which is why she felt remaining at Balmoral was best for them...again this is just my own opinion..
The Lord Chamberlain by that time (the late Earl of Airlie) and his office drew up Diana’s funeral plans at record speed, based on The Queen Mothers already planned funeral - long before Tony Blair and his new labour took the credit for everything !
It shouldn't have been about what the British public wanted. It should have been what was the right thing for the boys. Who were still children, and very sheltered ones at that. It's clear that walking behind that coffin has had a lasting traumatic impact on both of them. They were offered up on the sacrificial alter to gain sympathy. And I think Diana would have been appalled.
Remember Prince Philip walked behind his sister's coffin in Nazi Germany. Diana's boys had no choice but to walk behind their mother's coffin as they both inline to the throne. Being a senior member of British Royal family means living in goldfish bowl for life from birth.
They could have "removed" the boys from walking behind the coffin. Just have Philip, Charles, her brother. The rest was expected by the people. A proper public, royal funeral.
@@michelletodd4893 I remember that time well. Most people were unhappy that Charles and Philip walked behind the coffin at all. It would have been even worse if they did it without the boys. They were only tolerated for being there because they were there for William and Harry. Remove the boys and remove all reason for them to be walking at all. Charles Spencer wasn't supposed to walk but insisted on it as a blood family representative. But he was against it and argued for it not to happen. He has spoken several times about how he was told repeatedly that the boys wanted to walk and that's the only reason he went through with it. It's a complete myth that the British public specifically wanted anyone to walk behind the coffin. What they wanted was a state funeral. What Charles wanted was to not be the bad guy and he used his kids for sympathy and his ex-wifes death as an opportunity.
I disagree. She understood they are public figures and that is part of their life. Had the reverse happened and they were burying their father, I think she would've stiffened their spines and gave them the courage to fulfill their duty.
in a way she did .she was concerned for william and harry as any good grandmom should be but the british people also wanted them to show caring for diana .the british people loved her because she was friendly and approachable somethin the queen was not
There was a documentary out on the 20th anniversary of Diana’s death that discusses this very point. A royal expert said it was the first time in her reign that she actually put family ahead of duty and people hated her for it, even if only briefly.
@@marywise7661 Never understood this need people had there, that the Queen should rush to London and show her grief to them. All of them knew that obviously she wasn't a fan of Diana, after all that has happened, so if she just showed up, crying and mourning, that would have been a lie. So her people actually wanted her to be hypocritical, for them, Crazy.
Would the British people have cared if the boys rode in a car, privately, rather than walking behind the casket? Surely the public would have understood how traumatized the kids were.
@@DangerousFacts48 It was AWFUL to watch the two princes have to walk behind Diana's casket. I still remember Harry's letter amongst the flowers. William did not look up once. There's duty. And then there is trauma. Anyone who thinks two still young boys should have had to go through that might want to examine their priorities. I thought it was an appalling demand then and still do.
With an ENTIRE people was crying out in grief it really was the only RIGHT thing to do. Would she shame the boys this publicly for her own dislike for Diana!!!???
They were going to go thru it one way or another. It was a brilliant decision to have them participate in the public eye. The Queen knew that if they were secluded it would damage them emotionally for years to come. Those boys were prepared for their role in history.
To be honest given earlier in the series Philip was the one who gave Charles the talk telling him that the family wanted him to marry Diana whether he wanted to or not and pushed him into it when he was clearly reluctant, not sure he was the one who ought to have been finger wagging him at that moment. Really I know that they're some of the most popular moments in the series, Elizabeth and Philip chiding Charles over his marriage, but I could never stomach how horribly hypocritical they were. They famously dug in their heels and insisted to George VI and the political establishment that they wanted to be married and would have no one else, then the second Charles and Anne got into relationships, they firmly shut down any relationship they didn't approve of and pushed them both into marriages neither wanted that would inevitably fail and leave them riddled with scandal. They could really be awful parents sometimes.
The people would've respected the decision of a private funeral. Charles was more concerned about the backlash and used this as an opportunity to gain sympathy. Even his own father blames him for the unfortunate outcome. 25 years later and people still blame him for the outcome.
At the time people would not have accepted a private funeral. The UK was at stand still and was not functioning. The public would have felt that Princess Diana's memory was being disrespected and not being honoured. A private funeral would feel like she was being hidden away. If your the Princesss of Wales it means something.
I don't think they would have accepted a private funeral. The way people reacted after her death was unlike anything I can recall happening before or since. Including the death of the queen. I can vividly recall how I found out about her death, the Queen addressing the nation, the flowers everywhere, the walk behind the coffin, Elton John and Charles Spencer at the funeral. It was a huge event.
I can see the necessity of having the funeral in London and on TV. I don't understand the whole walking behind the gun carriage carrying her coffin though. I lost my mother in my 30's, I gave a speech at her funeral, it wasn't easy. If I'd lost her 20 years earlier I really couldn't have done what they did, and it is the kind of 'tradition' if that's what it was, that most people aren't aware of. They could have just stood with the Queen and gone to the service.
If your a public figure in Britian then the British public have every right to comment on them. Princess Diana and Margaret Thatcher are senior public figures meaning the British public have the right to comment on them.
@@marywise7661 And sowed the seeds for Harry to abandon you lot. It's clear that his troubles with the media and your society began with that walk behind her coffin based on various interviews. You guys were monsters for having children be paraded around like circle animals for your "grief". Diana wasn't even in the RF anymore, and you used her body and spirit to extend that dusty tradition of Monarchy & the Nobility.
"Particularly by the person who caused her the most pain."
My god the lines in this series are next level hard hitters.
"I let her down in life, I will not let her down in death." That line gets me every Time. Dominic West deserves an award for this episode.
Elizabeth Debicki also deserves it, she became Diana like no other actress before. I hope these actors will get some recognition, even if Judi Dench started this "trash The Crown" nonsense, just because she's friends with Camilla and suddenly they got offended... by the truth.
Dominic West will always be Mcnulty from Baltimore to me. I don’t even know why he’s pretending to be British
@@oscarfun100 Camilla watches the show though.
I think Phillip drew on his own personal experience. He was forced to walk behind the coffin of his beloved older sister and the Nazi government had used the occasion as a huge state event, with cameras and banners everywhere. To Philip, his sister’s funeral, which should have been a private and solemn affair (in his mind) was turned into a spectacle.
This is perfect. In real life, Charles did mourn for Diana and regret failing her in life. And this scene did a perfect job in capturing that grief and guilt as Charles wanted to hold a public funeral for his ex-wife and pointing out to his parents, mostly his mother, that they need to be the face of a nation for grieving someone who was loved by their entire country.
Yuck eff no, this whole season 6 felt it was approved by him and his side piece, lies lies lies.
How do you expect us to believe he mourned her when there's literally headlines months after her death about charles and that horrid women getting remarried?
Please. It’s all about Image. CHARLES cared about how hard the People would make his Future Reign (and plans with CAMILLA).
ELIZABETH II was less a grandmother, and more a person protecting the Heirs; as she knew that CHARLES’ reign would likely be shorter than hers.
Calculating woman.
Do the two idiots above me realize that the real world is not just either black or white and that real human beings are not either evil kitten killing psychopaths or goody two shoes babyfaces?
@@Fangshuifarttheory Gotta love how Charles haters can't procss anything but "Charles bad" and accuse a show of conspiracy just because it doesn't demonize somene they dislike.
Yes, Charles mourned her in real life. And he didn't marry Camilla until YEARS later so not sure what imaginary headlines you are thinking of.
@@joiisler8986 How was she "calculating"? Its no secret reigns don't usually go as long as hers did, she was only on the throne so long becaus he father died early.
charles fianally admits he let diana down in life.the british people loved diana and this was there way of showing her kids just how much she influenced people.not just in britain but here in the united states as well
I do like how Philip calls him out and then Charles just takes the L and admits fault. Did this actually happen? Probably not. But it's a good scene.
I read an article that said King Charles was at odds with Queen Elizabeth regarding Princess Diana's funeral arrangements...and put his foot down regarding a public funeral...whereas the Queen wanted a private one...in my own opinion I think that the unprecedented public grieving for Princess Diana's loss left no choice for Queen Elizabeth in the long run...I still remember the citizens of Great Britain getting upset that the Queen hadn't responded as fast as the people had wished...but I think she did the right thing in ensuring that both Prince William and Prince Harry were to be the priority which is why she felt remaining at Balmoral was best for them...again this is just my own opinion..
Other sources say that Charles did admit he failed his relationship with Diana and felt remorse for it.
Phillip was a hypocrite, he wasn't nice to diana.
Ouch, Phillip And oh snap
both sides make good points. its hard to decide who is right or wrong
The Lord Chamberlain by that time (the late Earl of Airlie) and his office drew up Diana’s funeral plans at record speed, based on The Queen Mothers already planned funeral - long before Tony Blair and his new labour took the credit for everything !
It shouldn't have been about what the British public wanted. It should have been what was the right thing for the boys. Who were still children, and very sheltered ones at that. It's clear that walking behind that coffin has had a lasting traumatic impact on both of them. They were offered up on the sacrificial alter to gain sympathy. And I think Diana would have been appalled.
Remember Prince Philip walked behind his sister's coffin in Nazi Germany. Diana's boys had no choice but to walk behind their mother's coffin as they both inline to the throne. Being a senior member of British Royal family means living in goldfish bowl for life from birth.
They could have "removed" the boys from walking behind the coffin. Just have Philip, Charles, her brother. The rest was expected by the people. A proper public, royal funeral.
@@michelletodd4893 I remember that time well. Most people were unhappy that Charles and Philip walked behind the coffin at all. It would have been even worse if they did it without the boys. They were only tolerated for being there because they were there for William and Harry. Remove the boys and remove all reason for them to be walking at all. Charles Spencer wasn't supposed to walk but insisted on it as a blood family representative. But he was against it and argued for it not to happen. He has spoken several times about how he was told repeatedly that the boys wanted to walk and that's the only reason he went through with it.
It's a complete myth that the British public specifically wanted anyone to walk behind the coffin. What they wanted was a state funeral. What Charles wanted was to not be the bad guy and he used his kids for sympathy and his ex-wifes death as an opportunity.
When you’re royal you give the life of service which means putting yourself out there.
I disagree. She understood they are public figures and that is part of their life. Had the reverse happened and they were burying their father, I think she would've stiffened their spines and gave them the courage to fulfill their duty.
I think the queen has a point here
in a way she did .she was concerned for william and harry as any good grandmom should be but the british people also wanted them to show caring for diana .the british people loved her because she was friendly and approachable somethin the queen was not
There was a documentary out on the 20th anniversary of Diana’s death that discusses this very point. A royal expert said it was the first time in her reign that she actually put family ahead of duty and people hated her for it, even if only briefly.
dont see why@@jasonkoch3182
Charles is also has a point here.
About the Queen, Royal Family, privacy vs public, Diana, and William.
@@marywise7661 Never understood this need people had there, that the Queen should rush to London and show her grief to them. All of them knew that obviously she wasn't a fan of Diana, after all that has happened, so if she just showed up, crying and mourning, that would have been a lie. So her people actually wanted her to be hypocritical, for them, Crazy.
Would the British people have cared if the boys rode in a car, privately, rather than walking behind the casket? Surely the public would have understood how traumatized the kids were.
One of those 'boys' was the future king. He couldn't afford to shirk responsibility in front of the nation
@@DangerousFacts48 It was AWFUL to watch the two princes have to walk behind Diana's casket. I still remember Harry's letter amongst the flowers. William did not look up once.
There's duty. And then there is trauma. Anyone who thinks two still young boys should have had to go through that might want to examine their priorities. I thought it was an appalling demand then and still do.
With an ENTIRE people was crying out in grief it really was the only RIGHT thing to do. Would she shame the boys this publicly for her own dislike for Diana!!!???
that's not the point, the point was putting the boys through it. like she said, being a grandmother is her priority.
They were going to go thru it one way or another. It was a brilliant decision to have them participate in the public eye. The Queen knew that if they were secluded it would damage them emotionally for years to come. Those boys were prepared for their role in history.
We can’t have it both ways… said the man who was able to marry the side chick after his former spouse is killed.
To be honest given earlier in the series Philip was the one who gave Charles the talk telling him that the family wanted him to marry Diana whether he wanted to or not and pushed him into it when he was clearly reluctant, not sure he was the one who ought to have been finger wagging him at that moment.
Really I know that they're some of the most popular moments in the series, Elizabeth and Philip chiding Charles over his marriage, but I could never stomach how horribly hypocritical they were. They famously dug in their heels and insisted to George VI and the political establishment that they wanted to be married and would have no one else, then the second Charles and Anne got into relationships, they firmly shut down any relationship they didn't approve of and pushed them both into marriages neither wanted that would inevitably fail and leave them riddled with scandal.
They could really be awful parents sometimes.
The people would've respected the decision of a private funeral. Charles was more concerned about the backlash and used this as an opportunity to gain sympathy.
Even his own father blames him for the unfortunate outcome. 25 years later and people still blame him for the outcome.
At the time people would not have accepted a private funeral. The UK was at stand still and was not functioning. The public would have felt that Princess Diana's memory was being disrespected and not being honoured. A private funeral would feel like she was being hidden away. If your the Princesss of Wales it means something.
So not true
@@AnnaBellaChannelso true, the British public needed a public funeral, whether the boys needed to walk behind the gun carriage is another debate.
I don't think they would have accepted a private funeral. The way people reacted after her death was unlike anything I can recall happening before or since. Including the death of the queen. I can vividly recall how I found out about her death, the Queen addressing the nation, the flowers everywhere, the walk behind the coffin, Elton John and Charles Spencer at the funeral. It was a huge event.
@@carriew5106 very true x
History repeats: Queen Elizabeth admonished a younger Charles to behave more like a would-be king, and now he says William must do the same
I can see the necessity of having the funeral in London and on TV. I don't understand the whole walking behind the gun carriage carrying her coffin though. I lost my mother in my 30's, I gave a speech at her funeral, it wasn't easy. If I'd lost her 20 years earlier I really couldn't have done what they did, and it is the kind of 'tradition' if that's what it was, that most people aren't aware of. They could have just stood with the Queen and gone to the service.
The British people behaved very badly at that time and at Margaret Thatchers funeral as well
If your a public figure in Britian then the British public have every right to comment on them. Princess Diana and Margaret Thatcher are senior public figures meaning the British public have the right to comment on them.
the british people did NOT behave badly when diana died.the british people loved her deeply.and this was there way of showing it
@@marywise7661 And sowed the seeds for Harry to abandon you lot. It's clear that his troubles with the media and your society began with that walk behind her coffin based on various interviews. You guys were monsters for having children be paraded around like circle animals for your "grief". Diana wasn't even in the RF anymore, and you used her body and spirit to extend that dusty tradition of Monarchy & the Nobility.
If you mean we celebrated Thatcher going to hell, then that was completely justified.
Standing ovation for Philip here😂 such a smack on that coward Charles face
I swear your right everything Philip said about Charles was pure fact
Get over yourself with your BS bashing of Charles.
Diana let Charles down as well with her tantrums and love affairs! Poor Charles, he was always blamed. 😢
They simply just weren’t right for each other.