LET'S ARGUE: Kanye Doesn't Care About His Fans
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2021
- Other topics include going easy on Call Me If You Get Lost, and Steely Dan not being that great.
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Anthony please do a producer tag tier list
Yes!!! This would be fun!!!
Surprised he hasn't done one yet
MELON GOT DAT DOPE
MELON BOOMIN MAKE IT BOOM 😫
OH LAWD MELON MADE ANOTHER ONE!
wow, i never knew melon played six-string tenor bass
LMFAOOO
he doesnt, it was open tuned lol
Kinda miss him playing the original bass
*guitar respect it mofos
comments like this make me love music theory even more
if kanye is taking is time dropping donda i see it as him trying to make for the best listening experience than can possibly be delivered, and in that regard he cares about his fans
Yoooo redd
Exactly
Life of Pablo
Yo
treating an album like ur midterms really does show he doesnt care tho i feel like the only reason hes even pretending to work hard on donda is because of pressure from the label
This is the most aggressive and intense Let Argue I’ve seen so far, man Anthony, let those shoulders relax. I felt intimidated by him this episode!
😭😭😭😭
Let's argue is finally becoming what the title implies 😂
I think the camera might be in a different angle because he moved and his setup is a bit different.
But that's just a theory, a melon theory! Thanks for watching.
🤣🤣🤣
@@jeffb8217 lol
The difference between a 7 and an 8 only FEELS large because most people think 7 is "average" but Anthony doesn't operate that way, his "average" is a 5. Meanwhile for most people, 5 and sometimes even 6 can feel insultingly low which is why people feel he hated MBDTF for example.
Well said
People just like to bring their school trauma with grades while talking about rating media which is just completely different
@@GrandTonka this was my arguement and i get what you mean, i just feel like it’s not too gradual of a scale
Yeah but MBDTF is 9+
@@bipbipletucha what came to my mind was “kids got too used to giving 7/10 tbh rates just to be nice “
Anthony did this Let's Argue like his wife just told him "babe the swear jar is off for today"
2:44
I genuinely skipped to three random points in the video to see if this was true because I didn’t notice and he swore each time
@@rehsuekul8706 it was really just the part at 2:44
@@spike5499 6:08
@@izd4 Damn he said caca? He really pushed it this time
Anthony’s sweating and shaking at the excitement of giving Donda a 7/10. It’s so noticeable.
Called it lmaoo
Damn 😎
Your Steely Dan take was borderline criminal in this one. How can you listen to the album Royal Scam and not get fuckin' AMPED. Incredible compositions and interplay on that bad boy
I was fine with his answer until he said that he considers them not special because the listener doesn't have a familiarly with the general rock and pop catalog of the 1970s!!!! Like what?! What freaking rock bands sound like steely dan in the 70s? Maybe Chicago, but even that's pushing it
@@mybluguitar6051The similarity between early Chicago and SD makes more sense when you literally have half of Chicago (& all of Toto) as session musicians on not just 'The Royal Scam', but at least the 2 albums previous as well.
The guy claiming the gap between a 7 and an 8 is too significant and comparing it to the gap between a 2 and a 3 didn't take into account that nobody cares if an album gets a 2 or 3 because both scores are shit
The higher the score,the more important each number is
that was me, and that was my entire point, that’s why the top of the ranking should be larger than the bottom
Need a new complete garbage album to come out soon.His 0 and Not Goods are his best reviews.I heard Drake is dropping soon
The 7 and 8 thing is true tho lol he gave SOUR and Blonde a 1 point difference lmao
yeah, 7s are just "i really like this record" and 8s are "i love this record"
Let’s agree: everyone loves the bass riff intros but the acoustic intros are a nice change of pace!
I...agree!
These are really 'feel like' numbers. It's like you enjoyed an album but you can't give it an 8 because not all tracks were equally good and unskippable or something like that. When you listen and experience an album, it's easy to think what number fits it the most. If you enjoyed half of the album, and other half was like mediocre, well it's decent 5 - light 6 for you I guess.
Fuck it, here's the entire industrial society and it's consequences:
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Big fan btw
caveman walter thanks king
MDBTF reveiw in a nutshell
@@cavemanwalter6651 poggers I will use this someday. Don't know when but someday
LET'S AGREE: The next bass intro should be Anthony slapping a large mouth bass.
he’ll never do it cuz hes too busy eatin arugula salads
he isnt known as the internets busiest music nerd for nothing
Wish someone would slap my large mouth bass
Not possible because that’s not vegan
Hahaha bass player joke hahaha
Slap bass
i'm a casual kanye listener and i sometimes feel sorry for all his diehard fans
"He'S a AHead OF hLS TiMƏ" shut up :P
@@soapyguy6483 thats literally true tho
@@xiscaw yeah but it gets annoying :/
@@soapyguy6483 "I don't like calling an Orange Orange because everyone calls it's an oRaNge 🙄"
@@nnnnnn496 l think I'm mentally dumb
Can Cal present one of these his takes would be fascinating.
Please God yes.
That Steely Dan take 😭. No, they’re not one of God’s greatest gifts under the sun but how can you listen to Aja and feel that way about them.
I know man he didn't need to go that hard sheesh
homeboy literally said "the hits are good", those are the words of someone who's never listened to aja, countdown to ecstasy, royal scam, katy lied...
And you can't ignore the monster players that have played in their records.
They are one of gods greatest gifts tho 😔
Steely Dan's "hits" are arguably their least essential tunes too
Poor Steely Dan take. The goal of SD isn’t to necessarily reinvent the wheel, but to make the best damn wheel that was ever made. They have some of the best musical performances and the best recording of the 70’s with fantastic songwriting and feel. It’s a style over substance band, but god there’s so much style.
@Marshall Thompson Every time I hear that "Skate a little lower now" ad lib, I just picture Fagen ripping a fat line, giving the engineer a shiteating grin through the glass, "skate a little lower now … sure looks good" and everyone in the control room losing their shit.
@Marshall Thompson skate a little lower now
yeah terrible take. Imagine calling an album like Aja ''elevator music'' lol
Having different taste from you is a poor take? Bless your heart
@@DefenestrateYourself having an opinion based on a pretty clearly demonstrated lack of knowledge on the subject matter is absolutely grounds for a bad take. literally how else would you define it?
“The thing that matters most to Kanye is Kanye… I don’t really take it personally because when it comes to what Kanye wants to do, I think everything takes a backseat”
Dude just admit you and the whole fanbase have been in an abusive relationship with Kanye since College Dropout
Considering I listened to Nah Nah Nah ten times on repeat as punishment for thinking the album would release on time, I think I have a perfectly healthy relationship with Kanye
More like since Graduation
@@masonbindemann6476 WHO THEY TALM BOUT!!!! NAH NAH NAH
@@masonbindemann6476 IIIIINNNNCOMINNNNGGGG
@@masonbindemann6476 I went from liking it ironically to unironically loving it
Wow the steely dan part broke my heart
Imo this is the best let’s argue yet. There’s just an extra chaotic energy teeming throughout this video.
anthony woke up ready to fight
Putting the second word in the series’ title to work.
Finally someone appreciates Bob Dylan’s under appreciated mumble rap adeptness
I actually love producer tags even when they are on every track of an album.
🧢
they can really add to a song if placed correctly
@@Matthew-vh4ce if young
I can't disagree more. Even a 10/10 song can sound cringe with a producer tag. And that's coming from a producer who would love to see production take more of a spotlight and get more credit in hip hop.
@UCTw6_0yyrf26d82f46u-0Kw that tag on father stretch my hands is probably the only time a producer Tag actually added something imo
“Kanye doesn’t care about his fans”
Also kanye: doen’t leave the listing party until he finishes the album
I don’t really think it’s related, i don’t think fans care where the location is where it’s finished
Literally the least he could do
also doesnt notify his fans that the album isnt dropping, even though he knows people are gonna stay up late and go to school/work tired the next day
also gave multiple release dates for jesus is king and donda that were bs, which he once again didnt say anything about
@@wayback1010 He never gave any release date for Donda
He just said I'mma drop Donda next year cuz he didn't mention 2020 and he also said "July 16th is meant to be a listening party" And I bet Justin got his information wrong
Kanye also said "I won't leave Mike Dean unless the album is over"
@@wayback1010 nigga it’s the summer most people don’t go to school in July
it’s on you if your going to listen to a 1 hour album at 3
I could see that Steely Dan response coming but I still think it’s a blind spot of Fantano’s to be so dismissive of the Dan. So much of the historical backlash against the band is unwarranted and the product of the cultural backlash that punk produced against so-called “dad rock.” It’s true that their jazz can be a tad smooth and their songwriting a bit dated even by the standards of the time, but this is bc the rock, soul and jazz literacy of Fagen and Becker is quite astonishing in its breadth. Listen to Aja’s title track, with Wayne Shorter’s brilliant sax performance over the odd, floating harmony of the bridge/outro and tell me that sounds like elevator music to you.
the commenters mention of the lyrics seems to be overlooked too - Fagen’s recollections of beat lifestyle are a filmic homage to the character of the reject that sits starkly at odds with the glitzy culture of “yacht rock” that Dan went on to inspire. Even if it’s not your cup of tea, i don’t think Steely Dan deserves to be written off as mediocre. Their reappraisal is long overdue.
And Dan is a great example of all 3
I totally agree. There seems to be a sort of lower key re-appraisal of groups that did combos of jazz and pop, jazz fusion more generally, and things sort of called "sophisti-pop".
Melon's judgement of them as a bit too elevator music kind of shouldn't make sense anymore: elevator music is millennial pop and pop-rap crossovers now. Elevator music hasn't been smooth jazz for such a long time. That kind of smooth jazzy music isn't really present in retail playlists, spotify playlists, etc. at all anymore. So, at least for people who like music as more than background, stuff like Steely Dan will likely sound new to a lot of people, new in a way that might be exciting despite the smoothness.
It's disappointing that Melon thinks they're kind of boring, because I think Melon prides himself on only thinking that something is boring if it doesn't have any substance to it. Steely Dan has so much substance, between their lyrics, to their interplay between melodic and harmonic elements, to their use of rhythm as a mechanism for enlivening melody and harmony, to their very simple production style. How is it that an artist like Mark Kozelek, whose music is almost intentionally supposed to be support background to the lyrics, to Melon is a non-boring artist, while the Dan, a band abounding with so cohesive elements, a sort of boring band?
Yeah I have no clue how he could listen he could listen to all 7 of Aja's tracks and still write the band off so hard. Massively disappointing.
Thank you. Melon man lost his seeds on this one.
I recently got really into their music and have so far listened to all their albums pre-hiatus, and I can confirm. Their range in style and atmosphere is astonishing to me, sure you can attribute the origins of yacht rock to them, but that's talking just Aja. You can't dismiss their other stuff, like the apocalyptic and strikingly real concept album that is The Royal Scam, the smooth but dark counterpart to Aja with Gaucho, or even the tongue-in-cheek and oddly mischievous collection of songs on Katy Lied. I'd argue their debut album is the weakest one, back when they hadn't fully discovered their niche, but past that I really don't think they can be written off easily.
I think the reason for the rating system you use being so "controversial" is because in the American school system anything below a 60% (6/10) is generally considered to be a complete failure.
Let's Agree: if Anthony eats a cantaloupe, that's cannibalism
+
Vegan cannibalism
@@flecca7522 I love that band.
Let’s agree : logic gave himself a very humble 3 in his last review
Eyo, LOGIC IS MELON!!!
Funi
@@ToddHoward3 Funi
@@enshen2190 Funi
@@savxlandon5558 Funi
The grading scale seems to confuse many people. First, it’s specific to each artist, not a scale which every artist is judged. Secondly the scale goes: NOT GOOD/0/1=Trash. 2/3/4=Below par, disappointing. 5/6/7=Good, possibly great, but not the artist’s best work. 8/9/10=Fantastic, artist met potential or outdid expectations.
Producer tags: helps make sure producers get credit as they did not received much credit for a long time.
I personally think this is wrong, a 2 is definitely trash lmfao, I would even argue a 3 is trash, also, a 7 isn’t great, I don’t think there’s a “maybe even great” part in that at all, even a light 8 probably isn’t considered great just very good. I think when u get to the upper 8s that’s when u get to great territory.
@@ldhdjzjjaklzjdbd6610 Na dog he’s pretty spot on in my opinion except for saying 5,6, and 7 are ALL great which no I think it’s more like 5,6 are average and slightly above and 7 is great, and anything above 8 like he said is amazing if not a masterpiece if it’s a 10. I mean Fantano said it himself he LOVES his 8s.
Logics no pressure had a 7 and it’s probably his best work close to under pressure
@@namansheth3609 I always feel like a 6 is like "enjoyable, definitely has it's moments, but don't myself coming back often"
@@ldhdjzjjaklzjdbd6610 ...
Fantano has straight up said that 0-4 are dislikes and 5-10 are likes.
This isn't Video Game Journalism.
I like Steely Dan because my dad used to play the shit out it when I was little. It’s a vibe.
Exactly
yeah steely dan hate is so wrong their music is so detailed, diverse and catchy and the lyrics are very dylanesque whats not to love. Literally the only soft rock band i like but they have at least 7 classic albums
Beethovens of Yacht Rock.
@@SF2036 L
Let's agree: The guitar intro was one of the best Fantano performances of all time
so sick!
*Fun Fact:
Sounded like the red dead redemption 2 soundtrack when you’re drunk shouting for Lenny
AGREED
What piece was that? Very good
Not thinking Aja is one of the GOAT classic rock albums is shameful
Anthony has never listened to Aja and it shows
This is deadass my first time seeing him play guitar kinda surreal ngl
Your linkerton video is really good
@@venus9343 Thanks so much! should I do one for green album?
@@TotallyNotTony_ yeah that would be cool
@@venus9343 aight bet
Let’s agree. Sneed’s Feed N Seed was formerly called Chuck’s.
In the court of the simpson king
Say it louder for those in the back!
when i find myself in times of trouble
i'm posting sneed on /tv/
clean it up, oh janny, all for free
and in my hour of darkness, only forced memes and no oc
i'm fillin' out the CAPTCHA
let it sneed
Deep cut. Nice
Why does melon without glasses lowkey look like handsome squidward
Lmaooo
your take on Steely Dan is kinda tragic but still valid, but your assertion that younger SD fans have a “lack of familiarity with the general 70s rock and pop catalogue” is flat out wrong, every young SD fan i know is deeply entrenched in the 70s canon and part of their magic is just how painfully 70s they are lyrically and sound wise imo. ANY major dude will tell you that.
This.
The music gatekeeping/hatekeeping is so tiresome and pointless
@@scottcampbell1635 "If you like this band you probably don't know music" is a terrible take, makes me realise how much elitism is entrenched in melon's videos
@@cundurangoballaragjohen106 i used to watch melon all the time until you know...I grew up and discovered my own tastes rather than letting some dude decide my tastes for me. only watched this because kanye but couple minutes into the video i remember why i stopped watching
Getting input from knowledgeable and articulate art critics doesn’t remotely equate with letting someone decide what music to like. Bless your little heart though
Kanye: my bad guys I thought y’all wanted me to drop the album so I accidentally dropped all of the files into the recycle bin and emptied it 🥺
The funny thing about Anthony’s ratings that I find hilarious is how, if you go back far enough, you can see albums he gave a 6/7 to on his top 50 of the year video. Case in point, and to double up on the meme shit, I’m almost certain MBDTF made his best of the year list lol
It did
my heart broke a little bit hearing his Steely Dan take.
When melon grows up he’ll look back on his own take here and cringe. Mark my words.
Ok we need to bully Fantano into listening to AJA wtf that steely dan take is actually terrible
Steely Dan, although not my cup of tea, had 100% appreciation from me cuz of the album Aja. It's such a masterpiece, like Fantano, how?
Pretzel logic
2005: George Bush doesn't care about black people.
2021: Kanye doesn't care about his fans.
"Steely Dan is .. okay."
OK THAT'S IT, MELON! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
He did it with Tlop. He always does these "listening parties" way before the album is actually fully ready to drop (missing verses and unmixed). Heck i even remember mike dean doing periscope live like in the middle of the night literally finishing up some Kanyes album 😂 not sure if it was Tlop or Ye.
Oh my god, I made the headline! Thank you so much, and damn, you were so cool about it too.
Come on, Antknee, you know going "brbrDENG" for like 45 seconds isn't an arguement
Mudvayne
That’s just how melons talk, and I think we can all agree that every Fantano fan is a melon, unlike you, you dirty mango
Call Me If You Get Lost was absolutely fantastic compared to Igor or not. It was nice to hear Tyler rap more.
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT definitely agree
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT Definitely 💯
Igor is just untouchable IMO. Cant compare it to the rest of his discography because it’s so different
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT it’s pretty different (to me at least). In none of the other albums is he playing one character the whole time unless you count himself and it has the most tangible story of any of them. The rest of his albums excluding Wolf could probably be listened over and over and people wouldn’t realize if it had a narrative unless they knew it would have one. This is just my opinion because at least in my brain it’s separate from them. And the thing is I don’t think it’s that much better than the rest, it’s just different
@Ivory_ Lagiacrus_YT yeah that’s pretty much what I mean, but I understand where you’re coming from
Blame Araki for kids getting into bands like Steely Dan, it's all Jojo references to us now
blame john mulaney too
Yeah, I think the biggest influence JJBA ever has today is successfully turning 16-year-old dank memers into sadboi progheads and dad rock lovers.
I’m so glad you put the producer tag song in. i love you melon
I don't know man. There's just so much music coming out that I don't even have time to be mad that Kanye pushed his album back. There's 50 other albums that came out when his did not. BUT, when he does put his album out I'll be there because I know the quality will likely be there.
Kanye when he releases something: BITCH I'M BACK OUT MY COMA
*ERRRR*
I feel like Tyler is listening to the greats, and doing characters that offer different elements of his personality. Flower Boy is a character, IGOR is another, Tyler Baudelaire is just the newest addition to the family.
William got a shout out! Nice stuff. Maranci is a mash up genius.
So you chose violence with that Steely Dan take, huh?
Absolutely LOVING that Richard Dawnsonish intro, write a full LP melon man!
do you know which song he played? it sounds good
I think it's safe to say now ye doesn't care about a certain portion of his fans...
Also shoutout for putting the thumbnail at the beginning, Finna watch the whole video cuz you a real one
Absolutely loving the guitars man. Oh yeah also great video
Let's argue : music is just a lot of noises that sounds good.
(at least in theory)
I….agree!
Freezing ice cold take 🥶
The definition of music is literally "The combination of sounds and silence", so yeah lol
“Stomp” is like the best example for that, I’m open to other examples
sometimes they're not even good
This aged just right
2:49 Ryan Martinie's style of playing the bass was pretty unique actually
MELON MAN, THE FACT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT STEELY DAN IS GREAT.
Honestly, I’ve been following you for a while, and the fact that you discussed the duo is great.
I only remember 2 occasions of Steely Dan mentioned: being discussed in “Let’s Argue” on over-producing and the interview with St. Vincent.
Steely Dan is fucking amazing and has some of the most music theory intensive/technical pop music ever, Larry Carltons guest solos are amazing
Bernard fucking Purdie. Enough said.
yeah when i'm trying to have a good time i always think "let me throw on something with some intensive music theory"
@@criemer2586 lmao
@@criemer2586 why not? it doesn’t affect the listening experience, unless you want to follow the score and analyse it at the same time
i can almost guarantee you steely dan were not thinking too much, or at all, about theory when they wrote their shit
let's agree, that was a pretty dope contemporary folk intro
This one had good energy keep this up please
Producer tags are great, as long as it sounds good. I like to know who made the beat, they're just as important as the rapper tbh
I was never really under the impression that he did care tbh, but I’m still a fan. I don’t really care how he feels about me, or any of us, I’m just a fan of his work.
The fact that i know he's making music just for himself at this point is what i love about it.
We will remember melon calling Steely Dan elevator music
Plus yacht rock slander. Koko wouldn’t stand for this
Anthony this acoustic guitar intros are really cool
this episode made me go cook dinner listening to Can't Buy A Thrill and goddamn that shit fire!
Its called a “listening party” not an “album release party”
update: well, he um.. didn't drop
yeah he dropped, thank GOD
Alright bro
What would you be saying if it was the exact same situation but it was called an album release party 🤷
@@napppstar0 lmfao what
@@napppstar0 i’d admit defeat, plus august 5th he called it “album release party”, if he’s not droppin, well.. shit
You can thank Jojo’s for the newer generations being into so many older bands
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Lol, I think it has more to do with the parents of newer generations listening to the music while we were kids.
To a certain extent, definitely. I think the amount of jojo fans is too small for it to be the biggest factor though
Yo that guitar at the beginning. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that along side the bass. Some Days of the New shit.
Anthony gave MBTDF a 6/10 because he knew it would cause such an uproar that people would still talk about for years to come. The reality isn't that Anthony doesn't understand musical genius, it's that he is a marketing genius.
Damn that Steely Dan take depressed me haha
As a fellow New Englander I am chasing the high of finding a great beach on a great day.
I know it's out there.
P.S. cartoons set too high expectations for everything cool, everything that is awesome looks better in cartoons.
This is so weird to me. Growing up by the beach in NC, it’s hard to imagine going to a beach and not having a great time.
@@FKDotFitzgerald i once went to a beach in rockland, mass that was a 100 yards wide, covered in weeds, and still recovering from a rain storm earlier that week. it was awesome.
in fairness we have cape cod and martha's vineyard in mass but the tourism front is the trade off for the well maintained coastline it seems.
Come to Maine we got beaches all over man
@@crim8649 I will be soon, got a friend going to college in Maine and so when I visit I'll try and check out a beach or two
I agree with the producer tag comment! I had my first experience with that on Future's "Purple Reign" album. EVERY SINGLE SONG started with it!!!!
How can you be from New England and not appreciate Maine's beaches. There is a small window every year where they can be enjoyed but they're really great in that small window.
nobody wants to go to fucking maine
@@firegodmc1080 the southern touristy beach part is great. But yeah the rest of the state is kinda depressing.
@@firegodmc1080 tell that to the entirety of Massachusetts ):
A fan of Kanye is a fan of himself and doesn't need Kanye. That's what he said in an interview
Really liked the intro. Makes me want to get a nylon string again...
that Richard Dawson guitar work at the intro tho
Bino did the same thing. I heard Awaken my love at PHAROS months before it came out with no indication as to when it would drop. Nobody got mad at him
“Give some breathing room” is honestly the best, healthiest take on comparing an artist’s collective works.
Man, that bass in the intro sounded weird. Dig the vibe tho
Ikr? Why were the strings so skinny and it had 6 strings?
Intro impro to this one was legit good
I love producer tags! There’s something exciting about hearing “if metro don’t trust ya he gone shoot ya” at the start of a new track. I get excited when I here my favourite producer made the beat.
Let’s argue: Why haven’t you reviewed Jungle’s sophomore album “For Ever”? I’d like to know your opinion BEFORE their third album “Loving In Stereo” drops Aug. 13 😉
Real debate: Is System of a Down actually Nu Metal, or did they just happen to exist at the same time?
SOAD used lot of different stuff like obvious funk influences, polka, death metal, armenian melodies in the early years before straying from all that. By definition that pretty nu-metal.
System of a Down is *fairly* suuuuper Nu-Metal. Sorry...
I mean I think we should establish some sort of... big big difference between "rap" nu-metal and just like, *groovy-fast* nu-metal...? Because I mean about 900% of what I loved was DEF Nu-Metal, but it was usually the kind that had nothing at all to do with rap as a genre. Unless we're talking instrumentally? Like just... in a sparse... groove kinda way? (I'm mainly thinking about Coal Chamber right now as an example, btw.)
I kinda think that the whole "rap-metal" thing is a pretty tenuous description, tbh.
I do get what you're saying though. I think, just like grunge, the Nu-Metal title gets stretched suuuuuuper super thin without a lot of thought.
@@meddle333 that was definitely an interesting thing to think about
Back then you had bands that decidedly were either playing death metal, black, thrash, or your regular heavy metal, and those that mixed some or all of those. Then you had bands that did all that yet got more groovy, funky, jazzy, throwing electronic samples, synths, etc. Press had no name for it cuz if it was too alternative, it was nu-metal
Now if you throw all that plus the kitchen sink, you have some avant-garde weird metal.
@@stegmig Haha yes.
Maybe that's why there seems to be ten trillion sub-genres for every genre now, because we all just got tired of everything getting lumped together like that. 🤣
Here I was thinking you was playing St.Anger at the beginning of the video.
The first thing i think you have to do before you have this discussion is define what a fan is. At the base level most ppl would define themselves as a "fan" of an artist by simply listening to an artists music regularly on a digital streaming platform. However the origin of the term fan is a shortening of the phrase fanatic, which is far from a casual art enjoyer. So the modern interpretation of the idea of fandom can be one that applies to a variety of levels of support, involvement & interconnectivity. So to me in addressing the question of should an artist care about their fans u must realize most of the ppl considering themselves fans cant be bothered to support an artist past picking up their phone to hear a song by an artist (Which the artist makes a tiny percentage off at that.) So why should an artist owe these type of fans anything when they're going through the financial responsibility & labor of creation when the "fan" will only engage if u put the art one click away regardless of how much this financially devalues the art provided. On the other hand i think the real people that are offering support to an artist especially artists that depend on that support to continue to produce art should without question care about their supporters. However id say this applies less to Kanye & artists that produce art on such large social scale since most of their "support" has to come from media companies & the music industry to be as impactful as it is. So though there is validity to the idea of "an artist would be nothing without their fans" i think after an artist has put in such a large amount of work the idea that they should have to care about everyone who ever listens to some of their songs on Spotify & provides no support is very questionable. If u enjoy Kanye as an artist & frequently enjoy his art u should show some actual tangible support for him. Also if u want to support artists where ur support can be actually impactful u probably shouldnt be looking to artists that are supported by large media companies & things like that. Anyway stay funky yall, much love Brother West & Brother Fantano & also if uv never made a piece of art on the scale these dudes have ur opinion holds little value so save that needless advice fam!!
"They kinda sound like Yacht rock"
Let's not pretend Yacht rock isn't the pinnacle of popular music melon my boy
me: i don’t get why people are always so mad at anthony fantano, i mean it’s just his opinion
anthony fantano: *gives his opinion on steely dan*
me: ah. i see now.
Melon - 'not a beach person because I'm from New England.'
Me in the PNW - 'what's it like to swim in the ocean?'
Melon, man, my guy, my melon man, my duuude. I agree! Somewhat with you're Mudvayne take. I'm happy that you appreciate their first album as much as you do, but I also think you don't quite appreciate it as much as you should.
Personally, I think LD.50 is probably one of the best albums put out in the new metal era, even through when I listen to it now it kinda just sounds like progressive metal to me. But that albums absolutely blows away most things other artists they were categorized with back when it came out. I still listen to it today, it's one of those albums that you can listen to for so long and still find new things to appreciate it for, and Death Blooms (not the shite music video edit version) is one of my all time favourite songs. The bass work for that first album is absolutely legendary as well.
I do agree fully though that after that album they dropped off hard. They just kept becoming less and less interesting, and instead of taking that creative sound and approach they did for LD.50, evolving, fleshing it out and embracing the more progressive and eclectic part of the sound they paved for LD.50, they just kept becoming more commercial and generic..
They started writing just good and okay songs that were more radio friendly, and toned down the bass substantially, which was a huge part of what made their first album so good. They still have some good songs that hold up well from their later catalog, but it just wasn't enough. You could almost say they just started to become 'dull boys' (ha). 😑
On a more serious note though, what other bands were pushing the limits in that genre like they did with their first album? Like who else had a bass player as talented and creative as Ryan Martine? His playing and sound was such a huge part of what made that first album so incredible. I'd love to hear some other bands from that time, in the genre they were grouped up into as interesting as early Mudvayne.
Nu-Metal*
I’m not so sure that Fantano has ever listened to Steely Dan
6:00 you just jinxed Tyler
Not at all related but I'd love to see a KGLW tier list - you ranked their 2017 albums but of course theyve released much, much more and (in some cases) much better since then.
love that intro from the solo to the accent
Melon's one Amish beard away from trying to deduce Batman's identity
Rate every steely dan album right now.
"their hits are good" bro he's obviously barely listened to them
really enjoyed that little jam at the start
That jam at the beginning sounded like a Kyuss b-side