You know on my first playthrough on the final mission as Arthur I had this old man's horse with max bond level. It's the only horse you get in the game with some actual backstory, so when Arthur said "thank you" in it's final moments it hurt a lot...
I found out your horse dies on Arthur's final mission so I decided to lose my progress and reloaded a older save to make sure Buell survived as I felt like I already failed the old man even tho I know his death is scripted so I should at least make sure Buell lives on 😥
Same with my second playthrough but I had it planned out to make it feel like I lost both Hamish and him a lot more emotional than my first playthrough
"but Arthur doesn't get to see his final moments" You say that like it's a bad thing, I see it as Arthur doesn't have to watch a man that he respected die in a preventable way. I guess that's the whole theme to this game, bad decisions and death.
Now THIS is what should happen in a RDR1 Remake. I dunno much about RDR1 since I never played it because Rockstar won't release it on PS4 :/ But I think that it'll work.
This is very interesting. Hamish still dies, but this way he lives much longer and Buell never has to die under any circumstances, which is a big plus. I feel so bad for those that played the final mission with Buell as their horse, not knowing what was coming. Brutal.
What if you think about it like this though, if you never visit him again, he never dies. By visiting him you are basically choosing to kill him within the confines of your playthrough (unless it's your first playthrough and you're unaware).
The last part of every secondary mission should be left for John. It makes much more sense and you get a greater understanding on how Arthur impacted all these people. It's poetic since Arthur never saw himselft as a good man, but they all considered and viewed him as a good man.
Because most of them didn't know Arthur was a robbing, killer, law breaking, son of a bitch. To them, Arthur's good outshone the bad. Just as Arthur didn't know that deep down, he can help people and and be a good person. In his conscience, all the bad things he had done obscured the good inside him, which I think explains his comments in front of the mirror.
To be honest you have no choice but to be a nice guy in the stranger missions, in the open world you can be exactly as bad or worse than how Arthur percieves himself, and the story missions have him doing plenty of bad things.
@@tallesttree4863 which is why I like to think of anything outside of missions as basically non canon (that is the crazy shit you're able to do with no real consequences lol), and I even like to view aspects of the story missions as exaggerations, such as the amount of enemies you mow down etc
@@orfeo793 That’s exactly how it should be. I remember when people kept saying Niko hated killing but would ram a bus into old lady’s like, no, YOU did that. Not Niko.
Honestly, among all the detail in this game, the massive contingency writing for John taking over is the most impressive to me. Writing and recording whole new scenes for every side mission, it's really something.
Not really, half of them are the same exact scene with the only difference being changes in facial and mouth movements. It was way more impressive in one where they actually sometimes moved different and even sounded differently. In 2 John sounds and acts like he’s just impersonating Arthur. In 1 Jack felt like his own person
@@BeatleHarrison In my opinion the RDR1 scenes were more identical... like I played videos of John and Jack side by side once - they're so similar the NPCs they talk to often didn't have their line re-recorded. Whereas almost the whole scene is rewritten for ones in RDR2.
@@GeorgeTFilm Nah not at all, it’s reversed. Scenes in rdr2 are the same exact thing with John having one or 2 unique lines with the same animations, voice type and movements as Arthur. In 1 it was wayyyy more unique with Jack saying different words or different conversations here and there. Plus he had a unique sounding voice and didn’t sound like he was tryna Imitate his dad. Yea he moved like John but at least they sounded unique for both characters and had a couple of newly recorded movements while in 2 they sound like it’s John talking with Arthur’s accent and moving like Arthur.
@@MrZomg17 You do realize rockstar are a billion dollar company who make tons of money off gta online content and micro transactions right? They don’t do none of that cuz they’re lazy lmao
I also kept Hamish's final mission for John. It was nice that he got an extra decade of life, despite Arthur not being around to see him. I do love the thematic weight of Hamish's collection and how Arthur helped build it, and what a nice understanding friendship the two had.
I remember not finishing Mr. Black and White questline as Arthur and for John their missions simply duplicated, nice to see that at least this one isn't broken
I remember doing probably two or three of those missions as Arthur, then a while went by where I didn't play, and I came back to the game with all of my progress only to find that for some reason the Black and White questline had just decided to reset. That questline as a whole seems glitchy.
@@InfiniteEscuro same here I've had it reset or on this current playthrough I'm on I got the bounty signs for them and the one where you give them medicine but after that it jumped to the 4th or 5th one where their up in tree house up north west. So it skipped an interaction or 2 in between. To me it seems like these things happen more often when play for long periods without progressing the story very much. I've been trying to complete everything I possibly can with Arthur as early as possible and only advancing the main story when I have to and I've noticed several glitches and some random events either not happening at all or happening multiple times and even in different places. Not to mention 90% of the loot boxes will refill every couple days in game. I've got the lymphany gold bar 5 times this playthrough so far and several of the others with money, coin bags, gold nuggets, etc. many times over as well. Several of them even reset to the orginal position where Arthur pulls them out from where their placed before opening. That's something that I never had happen on other playthroughs until this one. Usually some of the boxes would refill but they would remain pulled out so you knew you'd already gotten it once atleast. But it's still my favorite game to play glitches and all.
Also, he seems like one of the few people Arthur actually enjoyed spending time with, already knowing he was sick, it is like Arthur trying to enjoy his last time, trying to find some type of true friendship. Sometimes it feels like Hamish’s character is the only friend Arthur ever has and gets to spent time with gladly.
That’s why I’ll always finish this quest with Arthur. He has a connection to Hamish being a genuine friend. John just shows up, it isn’t as impactful. Hamish’s little tribute to Arthur is nice though. Arthur should have Buell. I didn’t go into the last mission with him though. So there’s that.
I messed up the first time I finished Heimish missions with Arthur, I always rode with Buell everywhere and then the final mission with Arthur happened and Buell died, honestly for me that was incredibly powerful and sad because the dialogue for Arthur thanking his horse but with Buell just seems way too personal and really amazing.
Story wise I absolutely love doing this. Arthur gets a dear friend, takes care and loves Buell as his own to honor his friend. The three of them ride off through the here after hunting and fishing until John pops in and Arthur is like "DUDE THE FUCK I told you go be with your family what the hell did you do?"
I always save this one for John for 3 reasons: 1) Hamish gets to live for 8 more years 2) It becomes a tribute for Arthur And 3) You get to keep Buell forever
@@thechefwhodoesntcook8233 i tame a wild horse as arthur in chapter 2 and have it for the whole game, so it still hits hard that way at least. plus buell gets to live on in the epilogue
@@thechefwhodoesntcook8233 It is very touching on the first playthrough. Now on my third, I want Buell to live with John and for Hamish to live longer to remember Arthur once again. This game has such fantastic replay that you can find different story arcs and have completely different experiences each time you play it.
@@paperbackwriter19 thats what i did. This whole mission seems better for Arthur as Arthur admired the man and to take buell into Arthur's final moments feels the best as the horse is symbolic of Arthurs good he did in his final moments.
I think it should be the second last mission where you go hunting wolves. They sit down for a long talk and they go hunting for the creatures Arthur saved John from.
I was lucky enough to get this on my first playthrough. In a sense I thought this was the way the game wanted it to go but sooner than later I saw this wasn't the case. Amazing detail by the developers, and you get to keep Buell, that horse isn't scared of anything, while distracted I ran a bear over with him. Tough as nails.
I personally like having Buell with me during the final mission of the main game. Yeah, Buell dies, but Arthur giving him comfort in his last few breaths really feels impactful than saving Buell for the post game. Plus, I don’t like ending Hamish’s story on John, I like the bond he had with Arthur and I want Hamish’s last moments to be with Arthur.
Hamish is like a grandfather you care about and like to visit, talk to, and enjoy life with. Something about him that has so much great interests. Kinda wish there was a small game dedicated to him.
This is how I always play through this side quest. I discovered it on accident in my first play through and I enjoy it the most. Hamish gets to tell his tales with arthur, allowing john to find out more about his past, and he gets to live for a whole 8 years! I also think his death makes a little more sense with john. the Idea of him dying right after john gives him closure with arthur is a little more fitting and not as sad as with Arthur.
i retrieved the horse for the veteran as arthur and in the epilouge his side mission was available but i waited too long and his side mission to meet him again disappeared :(
one thing i really love about stranger missions is there is a surprising amount of depth to them they are not just one off side mission they have a meaningful memerable story to them and the characters in them are not just one off side character they are people with real depth and they grow from being strangers to being arthurs friends, they have a meaningful impact on arthur and arthur on them its freaken awesome!
Especially that one mission where you teach the widow how to survive, and you can see her alive and well in the epilogue as John. And if you don’t do that than she’ll be dead, it’s so sick
The best destiny for Buell is to die with Arthur. It makes him more epic as horse. I finishid the game 4 times and in each play all other horses are sold and money kept in Pig Farm Bank. Buell dies with Arthure.
I feel that it’s more fitting to look after buell as Arthur rather than john. I feel like Arthur deserved to look after buell and both live and die side by side together.
@@user-pr7ix3dt7h It's more tragic, but that's also why it's more fitting. That "thank you" to the horse just hits harder when it's Buell, because it gives more meaning to the sadness behind that thank you. The old man was killed by animals, his horse was killed by man. Both the veteran and horse and even Arthur, were stories of "If things could have been different". Just another innocent being mixed up in Dutch's mess, just a sad tragic circle, but they did their part while they could, and ultimately helped Arthur to redeem himself and save others and helped Arthur to find meaning in this world while he could. It's ironic because as sudden as the horse's death is, it's actually one of the few deaths where they died doing something worth something. The thank you wasn't just a thank you, it was also an "I'm sorry to have brought you in this". And in that horses last moments, he didn't leave him to die alone, he was there, even if it was just a horse, just like he was with the veteran. The whole thing is just very cathartic. I think that's why they didn't even allow you to do veteran missions until late in the game, so that you wouldn't have the horse too long, so that you'd still have what happens with the veteran in your head. You're meant to take Buell and stable whatever horse you already had, even if it is a better horse. At the same time, that also means your original horse survives, which is also a nice touch, because you definitely go through a lot more with that horse than Buell. The happiest horse ending though is to stable your original horse, buy a new one so your original horse survives (disappears, but survives), and then get Buell with John. That also kind of hits too, if you buy the absolute cheapest horse, because it's basically the horse no one wants, that has probably been treated poorly, and it gets a new owner and just gets killed soon after. The "thank you" then hits like, "You were a cheap horse, barely anything, but you had value", it almost gives purpose to the cheap horses life, that it died, but it at least died for something that meant something, and Arthur's "thank you" acknowledging that even that cheap horse had a value that transcends money. It's also sad to go in and see the fish you caught on the veterans wall.
The thing about this is that, if you do it with Arthur the loss of buel becomes a lot more felt and almost feels worse because hamish passes, then buel then Arthur so soon of meeting each other. Right in the feels..
The ending of rdr2 is sad enough but have buell die just before Arthur was just devastating, Hamish and buell ain't even real and it felt like I let them down. On on my 2nd playthrough and ima leave the last mission to John so buell can have a peaceful life and Hamish more yrs to chill
Arthur got the first two interactions with him in my game, and John got the last two. I wanted to do all four with Arthur, but I didn’t get to do it. I love Hamish, great guy.
Make more videos about Sisika Penitentiary, how people/authority behave there, use free look to explore. I'm upset that Rocktar's developers took so many times to create that island and we ain't to able to explore properly.
@@100gecsrbetterthangod5 You can, I've visited the island before and after freeing John, just row there, but beware, it is a prison island so you're tresspassing..
In the second mission you can actually get an infinite amount of Buells. All you have to do is walk up to it and continue to brush it until it becomes your temporary horse. The thing to note is you can't saddle it up with your saddle or ride it. But if you save the game and reload then you can. You can keep doing it and fill up the stable. Now you can get Buell as both Arthur and John.
In my previous playthroughs I did all the Hamish missions as Arthur, but in my last one I left the last mission for John. I rode Buell until the end of the game. What a good horse. That's one of my gripes with RDR2...the size of horses. The Arabian is comically small. I thought a Mustang was the best fit for Arthur but a Mustang also looks too small. Buell is almost too big, but he's a big and majestic beast of a war horse. Precisely what I had in mind.
I did this by accident my first time playing. I was like wait how is this gonna work? Was amazed at the detail that John so seamlessly takes over everything in the game including returning to Arthur's former interactions. Part of me kinda assumed this was always how it worked with maybe you unlocking the mission when you play as John but that's so cool to get confirmation that it actually does transition like that optionally.
Man one day under a stressful situation, that golden horse got away from me…. Ran off into the mountains without me n I couldn’t call em back. That was the last ride before all hell broke lose. Miss you buddy hope ur still out there
Honestly, I always visit the veteran as John even if his final mission spawns with Arthur because of multiple reasons; 1) Buell and by extension, the veteran both get to live longer and talks fondly of Arthur to John 2) As you get Buell much later on as John, you can basically keep Buell forever and make him your main horse without him dying at the hands of the Pinkertons playing as Arthur 3) The veteran dying in John's arms just feels right because he seems much more content and he can finally go be with Arthur in the afterlife
In my one and only play through of RD2, I had completed the Hamish missions under Arthur (not knowing the weight of which he had on him in the epilogue). This little cut scene really put a smile on my face because it really showed the bond Arthur and Hamish had, as he was my favorite side mission characters l. Also kinda makes me regret the chain events I chose to play through (Hamish’s story up until his death, keeping and playing with Buell up until his and Arthur’s death in the same mission). Really makes me that much more sad about the whole thing
Happiest ending: Only do the first or second veteran mission as Arthur, buy the cheapest horse and stable yours before the final mission, then go see the veteran once as John and never return. That means Arthur's horse, the veteran, and Buell all technically survive.
i didn't know I could keep Buell if I left his last mission to John, but I did it without being aware (simply forgot about him). Now Buell is my horse and it's nice to have him around.
@🏳️🌈⃠[Ace Attorney] Lord Fawful im aware, i meant if you have a play through where you do the last mission with John, then technically he only dies when he visits Arthur's friend
Rockstar absolutely did not have to make this much new dialogue for completing side missions in the epilogue, but they did and I’ll be forever grateful
I love starting the side missions with Arthur and finishing them with John, as much as I can. It makes it so you get to play story longer and John gets to truly finish what Arthur started.
*One regret I'll always have is leaving literally no stranger missions for John to do.* *Completed every single one as Arthur as I was invested deeply into his character and then?* *The rat got him😢*
I agree everybody should do that cuz first, Hamish live longer, second you can have to see This beautiful moment how they both mention Arthur and how he did these amazing things.and 3rd and most importantly you keep that rare beautiful horse Buell always unlike when Arthur lose it after he dies also like that Arthur don't see his true normal friend die like that
That’s one reason, the other is because you get to keep Buell without loosing him in the switch from Chapter 6 to Epilogue 1. But one good thing about completing these missions with Arthur is that his sketches are great. Johns are… ok lol
I kept the horse and promised myself it would live and breath with me forever, the veteran was one of my favorite side quests and I really related to him. The last mission with Arthur they killed the beautiful gold horse, my heart broke as I let out an audible shout of denial, I knew Arthur was dying but I couldn't stand to break a promise to a friend, especially one who isn't with us anymore. It was like breaking the last earthly tie I had to him and it broke my heart.
Little things like this… how the game allows you to continue missions years later with another character and make it make sense is why this is a masterpiece.. it was all so well done
Hamish was by far one of my favorite characters in the game. I completed the mission as Arthur and when the ending with Buell made me want to restart over so he could be saved.
I’m torn on doing this during my current play through. Yes you get to keep Buell and yes Hamish lives a little longer but there is also a case to be made that John’s default horse could be named after the daughter he mentions to Bonnie McFarlene in RDR1.
Hamish was my favorite side character by far. The missions with him felt so real and were a break from the sad reality of everything else. He was probably the death that made me the most sad. Because of this I used Buell as my horse for the rest of the game and was so torn up when the horse died too
Same. :o Granted, I save that mission until after the epilogue with John is finished. I use either a save editor or Rampage trainer to change the character back to Arthur, as healthy. Screw the game ending, my Arthur lives at the end! >:3 Even more interesting is all the stranger missions work as though Arthur is still alive lol. Minus the ones that are for John only, which those are just meeting with old friends. But as far as the game is concerned, Arthur is alive and well. :D There are even unique scenes with Arthur in Armadilo that you wouldn't ordinarily see because they didn't intend for you to go there as Arthur, but it seems they had planned on potentially exploring past Blackwater as Arthur at some point and kept the scenes in. xD!
I did this and trust me it's a lot more satysfying since Hamish lived longer, John saw what Arthur had achieved with the veteran, you can keep Beull forever and Hamish lives longer.
It would have been a nice touch to the game If you could bring Hamish back to his cabin & a burial cut scene.Just leaving him there In the wilderness seemed wrong.
That happened to me, i was with arthur and i was going everytime to rhodes and i found a veteran and i was talking to him every time i was going in rhodes, but when he died i went with john to rhodes i saw him and john told about arthur to the veteran.I was going to cry
A cool side not about this detail is the blind man warns about taking another man’s horse so I didn’t actually take buell at the end of the mission, but the horse I did have I had through most the game so it still hurt when she died and Arthur thanked her.
Totally agree When I first completed this side quest, I cried when Hamish died and got to keep his horse To the point that each time I play thru the game I’ll always finish this quest as John Hamish is one of the nicest background characters you come across 👍
I got Buell after Arthur’s death, so it means a lot riding around a horse meant for Arthur, like a gift to John from his brother. I did however die with the horse Hosea tells you to ride up the mountains on the Bear mission, so that struck a dagger in the heart, the last thing Arthur had from Hosea was gone
I only had the opportunity to play this masterpiece a month ago even though I've wanted to play it since its launch. I didn't have much time to fully enjoy it and I'm fell bad I missed some details due to the rush with which I played it. I love how the story is so full of details that even small interactions with less relevant characters can enrich the story and show more of the main character. I hope one day I can play it again and spend more time appreciating these moments.
You know on my first playthrough on the final mission as Arthur I had this old man's horse with max bond level. It's the only horse you get in the game with some actual backstory, so when Arthur said "thank you" in it's final moments it hurt a lot...
Same here. What also got me was that Hamish asked Arthur to take care of Buell, but they died together. In my second playthrough, I saved Buell.
Exact same here. I went ape shit crazy
Bro I did the same thing and instantly regretted doing the last mission cause of the horse dying
I found out your horse dies on Arthur's final mission so I decided to lose my progress and reloaded a older save to make sure Buell survived as I felt like I already failed the old man even tho I know his death is scripted so I should at least make sure Buell lives on 😥
Same with my second playthrough but I had it planned out to make it feel like I lost both Hamish and him a lot more emotional than my first playthrough
Well, in this version, you can keep Buell basically forever and the veteran lives longer, but Arthur doesn’t get to see his final moments.
I should’ve saved the last mission I was sad when the veteran died
"but Arthur doesn't get to see his final moments"
You say that like it's a bad thing, I see it as Arthur doesn't have to watch a man that he respected die in a preventable way.
I guess that's the whole theme to this game, bad decisions and death.
But dont Hamish die oh his name is Hamish
@@Isaacyoutuber821 what are you trying to say?
@@OliverPets fine, I should’ve just saved the last veteran mission, but I didn’t know.
"Hello, sir."
"And who might you be ?"
"A caller...Jack Marston."
Now THIS is what should happen in a RDR1 Remake. I dunno much about RDR1 since I never played it because Rockstar won't release it on PS4 :/
But I think that it'll work.
@@MariusBoss11458you’re supposed to have had a ps3 to play rdr1 before you played red dead 2
@@MariusBoss11458 it would be nuts if RDR1 remaster could interact with your RDR2 save, bringing your horses as John and shit
@@zachgalifiankis8236 So you're saying that you need to play RDR1 before RDR2? Because I say that you don't need to.
@@zachgalifiankis8236 nah because RDR2 is a prequel to 1 so you don't really need to.
This is very interesting. Hamish still dies, but this way he lives much longer and Buell never has to die under any circumstances, which is a big plus. I feel so bad for those that played the final mission with Buell as their horse, not knowing what was coming. Brutal.
Yeah that was me... I teared up
@@ReStOrEd2000CZE the same happened to me
What if you think about it like this though, if you never visit him again, he never dies. By visiting him you are basically choosing to kill him within the confines of your playthrough (unless it's your first playthrough and you're unaware).
That might’ve been the one upside of spoiling the story for myself before playing
I did that. I had no idea my horse would die.
The last part of every secondary mission should be left for John. It makes much more sense and you get a greater understanding on how Arthur impacted all these people. It's poetic since Arthur never saw himselft as a good man, but they all considered and viewed him as a good man.
Because most of them didn't know Arthur was a robbing, killer, law breaking, son of a bitch. To them, Arthur's good outshone the bad.
Just as Arthur didn't know that deep down, he can help people and and be a good person. In his conscience, all the bad things he had done obscured the good inside him, which I think explains his comments in front of the mirror.
To be honest you have no choice but to be a nice guy in the stranger missions, in the open world you can be exactly as bad or worse than how Arthur percieves himself, and the story missions have him doing plenty of bad things.
@@tallesttree4863 which is why I like to think of anything outside of missions as basically non canon (that is the crazy shit you're able to do with no real consequences lol), and I even like to view aspects of the story missions as exaggerations, such as the amount of enemies you mow down etc
@@tallesttree4863 even tho it’s an option, it’s kinda interesting how Arthur still tries to do good things
@@orfeo793 That’s exactly how it should be. I remember when people kept saying Niko hated killing but would ram a bus into old lady’s like, no, YOU did that. Not Niko.
i love how you made john look like jack
pretty sure its a mod
@@yooooo8600 yeah i figured that was the case but still
Is that don't starve
@@bingusgaming3635 mhm my pfp is abigail from the animation short
@@yooooo8600 I don’t think it’s a mod I also made by John Look like jack
Honestly, among all the detail in this game, the massive contingency writing for John taking over is the most impressive to me. Writing and recording whole new scenes for every side mission, it's really something.
Not really, half of them are the same exact scene with the only difference being changes in facial and mouth movements. It was way more impressive in one where they actually sometimes moved different and even sounded differently. In 2 John sounds and acts like he’s just impersonating Arthur. In 1 Jack felt like his own person
@@BeatleHarrison In my opinion the RDR1 scenes were more identical... like I played videos of John and Jack side by side once - they're so similar the NPCs they talk to often didn't have their line re-recorded. Whereas almost the whole scene is rewritten for ones in RDR2.
@@GeorgeTFilm Nah not at all, it’s reversed. Scenes in rdr2 are the same exact thing with John having one or 2 unique lines with the same animations, voice type and movements as Arthur. In 1 it was wayyyy more unique with Jack saying different words or different conversations here and there. Plus he had a unique sounding voice and didn’t sound like he was tryna Imitate his dad. Yea he moved like John but at least they sounded unique for both characters and had a couple of newly recorded movements while in 2 they sound like it’s John talking with Arthur’s accent and moving like Arthur.
Probably the reason RDR3 and a RE Master of RDR1 has not happened its a huge undertaking, work and money wise.
@@MrZomg17 You do realize rockstar are a billion dollar company who make tons of money off gta online content and micro transactions right? They don’t do none of that cuz they’re lazy lmao
Its good that in this version Hamish lives about 8 years longer. That's a lot of extra years
The man in your profile picture was our King :)
Shah of Iran :)👑
@@ianamoonie8714he compromised.
@@ianamoonie8714 yeah but now Iran is fucked, your new king is sentencing to death everyone.
@@mraycgz Ate grilled cheese of the radiator, my estimation of the Shah of Iran as a man fucking plummeted
@@larrikinlancer685 Whatever happend there...
I also kept Hamish's final mission for John. It was nice that he got an extra decade of life, despite Arthur not being around to see him. I do love the thematic weight of Hamish's collection and how Arthur helped build it, and what a nice understanding friendship the two had.
I remember not finishing Mr. Black and White questline as Arthur and for John their missions simply duplicated, nice to see that at least this one isn't broken
Same shit happened to me
The Mr. Black and Mr. White quest is by far my least favorite in both rdr games. It's just annoying.
I remember doing probably two or three of those missions as Arthur, then a while went by where I didn't play, and I came back to the game with all of my progress only to find that for some reason the Black and White questline had just decided to reset. That questline as a whole seems glitchy.
@@InfiniteEscuro same here I've had it reset or on this current playthrough I'm on I got the bounty signs for them and the one where you give them medicine but after that it jumped to the 4th or 5th one where their up in tree house up north west. So it skipped an interaction or 2 in between. To me it seems like these things happen more often when play for long periods without progressing the story very much. I've been trying to complete everything I possibly can with Arthur as early as possible and only advancing the main story when I have to and I've noticed several glitches and some random events either not happening at all or happening multiple times and even in different places. Not to mention 90% of the loot boxes will refill every couple days in game. I've got the lymphany gold bar 5 times this playthrough so far and several of the others with money, coin bags, gold nuggets, etc. many times over as well. Several of them even reset to the orginal position where Arthur pulls them out from where their placed before opening. That's something that I never had happen on other playthroughs until this one. Usually some of the boxes would refill but they would remain pulled out so you knew you'd already gotten it once atleast. But it's still my favorite game to play glitches and all.
It's so stupid they sit in the forest for years lol
Also, he seems like one of the few people Arthur actually enjoyed spending time with, already knowing he was sick, it is like Arthur trying to enjoy his last time, trying to find some type of true friendship. Sometimes it feels like Hamish’s character is the only friend Arthur ever has and gets to spent time with gladly.
That’s why I’ll always finish this quest with Arthur. He has a connection to Hamish being a genuine friend. John just shows up, it isn’t as impactful. Hamish’s little tribute to Arthur is nice though. Arthur should have Buell. I didn’t go into the last mission with him though. So there’s that.
I messed up the first time I finished Heimish missions with Arthur, I always rode with Buell everywhere and then the final mission with Arthur happened and Buell died, honestly for me that was incredibly powerful and sad because the dialogue for Arthur thanking his horse but with Buell just seems way too personal and really amazing.
Tbh it’s a fitting end, the both go to heaven together, and if you have max bond with him, Arthur will say thank you to buell
Ok who's cutting onions 🥵🥲
@@dancinggojira that's for not being prepared for the road!
Story wise I absolutely love doing this. Arthur gets a dear friend, takes care and loves Buell as his own to honor his friend. The three of them ride off through the here after hunting and fishing until John pops in and Arthur is like "DUDE THE FUCK I told you go be with your family what the hell did you do?"
@@spinningpeanutno one cares lgbt furry
"My name is Marston. Jack Marston. You knew my father."
I always save this one for John for 3 reasons:
1) Hamish gets to live for 8 more years
2) It becomes a tribute for Arthur
And 3) You get to keep Buell forever
I personally think that none of this is canon, but Buell dying with Arthur would be more poetic (Dialogues are the same but it def hits differ)
@@thechefwhodoesntcook8233 i tame a wild horse as arthur in chapter 2 and have it for the whole game, so it still hits hard that way at least. plus buell gets to live on in the epilogue
@@spinningwheel7635 Yeah, but for me i think rachel should stay with john
I like to pretend the blonde horse in RDR1 is Buell
@@thechefwhodoesntcook8233 It is very touching on the first playthrough. Now on my third, I want Buell to live with John and for Hamish to live longer to remember Arthur once again. This game has such fantastic replay that you can find different story arcs and have completely different experiences each time you play it.
My first time playing I did everything as Arthur and I was sad when I went to the stable as John and didn’t see Buell
you should've kept buell equipped and given him the proper send off in the closing moments of chapter 6
@@paperbackwriter19 thats what i did. This whole mission seems better for Arthur as Arthur admired the man and to take buell into Arthur's final moments feels the best as the horse is symbolic of Arthurs good he did in his final moments.
I think it should be the second last mission where you go hunting wolves. They sit down for a long talk and they go hunting for the creatures Arthur saved John from.
Yeah foreal though
Yeah it's nice to know both Arthur and John got to have Hamish as a friend. Someone they both can relate to
I was lucky enough to get this on my first playthrough. In a sense I thought this was the way the game wanted it to go but sooner than later I saw this wasn't the case. Amazing detail by the developers, and you get to keep Buell, that horse isn't scared of anything, while distracted I ran a bear over with him. Tough as nails.
I personally like having Buell with me during the final mission of the main game. Yeah, Buell dies, but Arthur giving him comfort in his last few breaths really feels impactful than saving Buell for the post game. Plus, I don’t like ending Hamish’s story on John, I like the bond he had with Arthur and I want Hamish’s last moments to be with Arthur.
I’m with ya there. Buell and Arthur will reunite with Hamish in the next life.
Even after all these years this is still one of my favorite games. Great memories of better times
Hamish is like a grandfather you care about and like to visit, talk to, and enjoy life with. Something about him that has so much great interests. Kinda wish there was a small game dedicated to him.
This is how I always play through this side quest. I discovered it on accident in my first play through and I enjoy it the most. Hamish gets to tell his tales with arthur, allowing john to find out more about his past, and he gets to live for a whole 8 years! I also think his death makes a little more sense with john. the Idea of him dying right after john gives him closure with arthur is a little more fitting and not as sad as with Arthur.
didn't know you could even visit him as John but that's dope. actually nice to see him show to John what he and Arthur did
i retrieved the horse for the veteran as arthur and in the epilouge his side mission was available but i waited too long and his side mission to meet him again disappeared :(
What chapter of the epilogue are you rn? Because I think you need to finish all the missions from the barn to get the mission.
The mission doesn't dissappear its just because you can only do it at a certain time of day so just wait till around 12pm in game
@@therat8881 oh yeah thanks lol it comes back at day thanks for telling me :)
one thing i really love about stranger missions is there is a surprising amount of depth to them they are not just one off side mission they have a meaningful memerable story to them and the characters in them are not just one off side character they are people with real depth and they grow from being strangers to being arthurs friends, they have a meaningful impact on arthur and arthur on them its freaken awesome!
Especially that one mission where you teach the widow how to survive, and you can see her alive and well in the epilogue as John. And if you don’t do that than she’ll be dead, it’s so sick
Finding out that Hamish died was the first time I actually cried in this game, he was such a good interesting character
I regret doing all the veteran missions as Arthur. I didn't realize I'd lose the horse forever once I played as John
The best destiny for Buell is to die with Arthur. It makes him more epic as horse. I finishid the game 4 times and in each play all other horses are sold and money kept in Pig Farm Bank. Buell dies with Arthure.
I feel that it’s more fitting to look after buell as Arthur rather than john. I feel like Arthur deserved to look after buell and both live and die side by side together.
@@user-pr7ix3dt7h It's more tragic, but that's also why it's more fitting. That "thank you" to the horse just hits harder when it's Buell, because it gives more meaning to the sadness behind that thank you. The old man was killed by animals, his horse was killed by man. Both the veteran and horse and even Arthur, were stories of "If things could have been different". Just another innocent being mixed up in Dutch's mess, just a sad tragic circle, but they did their part while they could, and ultimately helped Arthur to redeem himself and save others and helped Arthur to find meaning in this world while he could. It's ironic because as sudden as the horse's death is, it's actually one of the few deaths where they died doing something worth something. The thank you wasn't just a thank you, it was also an "I'm sorry to have brought you in this". And in that horses last moments, he didn't leave him to die alone, he was there, even if it was just a horse, just like he was with the veteran. The whole thing is just very cathartic.
I think that's why they didn't even allow you to do veteran missions until late in the game, so that you wouldn't have the horse too long, so that you'd still have what happens with the veteran in your head. You're meant to take Buell and stable whatever horse you already had, even if it is a better horse. At the same time, that also means your original horse survives, which is also a nice touch, because you definitely go through a lot more with that horse than Buell.
The happiest horse ending though is to stable your original horse, buy a new one so your original horse survives (disappears, but survives), and then get Buell with John. That also kind of hits too, if you buy the absolute cheapest horse, because it's basically the horse no one wants, that has probably been treated poorly, and it gets a new owner and just gets killed soon after. The "thank you" then hits like, "You were a cheap horse, barely anything, but you had value", it almost gives purpose to the cheap horses life, that it died, but it at least died for something that meant something, and Arthur's "thank you" acknowledging that even that cheap horse had a value that transcends money.
It's also sad to go in and see the fish you caught on the veterans wall.
In my first play through I accidentally did his last mission as John, I liked knowing he lived longer
I m too
The thing about this is that, if you do it with Arthur the loss of buel becomes a lot more felt and almost feels worse because hamish passes, then buel then Arthur so soon of meeting each other. Right in the feels..
The ending of rdr2 is sad enough but have buell die just before Arthur was just devastating, Hamish and buell ain't even real and it felt like I let them down. On on my 2nd playthrough and ima leave the last mission to John so buell can have a peaceful life and Hamish more yrs to chill
Makes me sad going back as John and everyone who Arthur touched and helped is so upset he passed really hits you in the feels
I hate that Rockstar never told players this and when you find it it's too late
Plus you get to keep Buell the horse aswell if you do it with John.
I wonder what other missions would be fitting for John
Me too.
@@MariusBoss11458 comment was NOT needed
Neither was yours
@@newLEGACYFLEKZ Go eat sand
@@newLEGACYFLEKZ your existence is not needed
Arthur got the first two interactions with him in my game, and John got the last two. I wanted to do all four with Arthur, but I didn’t get to do it. I love Hamish, great guy.
Make more videos about Sisika Penitentiary, how people/authority behave there, use free look to explore. I'm upset that Rocktar's developers took so many times to create that island and we ain't to able to explore properly.
You can boat out there tho.. I think there's cigarette card locations and not to mention the legendary bullhead catfish that's there.
@@thiccElite you can't get to the island without being in the mission to free john, right?
@@100gecsrbetterthangod5 You can, I've visited the island before and after freeing John, just row there, but beware, it is a prison island so you're tresspassing..
In the second mission you can actually get an infinite amount of Buells. All you have to do is walk up to it and continue to brush it until it becomes your temporary horse. The thing to note is you can't saddle it up with your saddle or ride it. But if you save the game and reload then you can. You can keep doing it and fill up the stable. Now you can get Buell as both Arthur and John.
Where you going for the Jack Marston look?? Looks good
i didn’t know u could make john look so much like jack in rd1 that jacket is so close to his in the game
it's modded
In my previous playthroughs I did all the Hamish missions as Arthur, but in my last one I left the last mission for John. I rode Buell until the end of the game. What a good horse. That's one of my gripes with RDR2...the size of horses. The Arabian is comically small. I thought a Mustang was the best fit for Arthur but a Mustang also looks too small. Buell is almost too big, but he's a big and majestic beast of a war horse. Precisely what I had in mind.
You'd like the shire horse.
Arabian horse are small irl
Damn. With that hair and mustache, turns out Jack was John's spittin' image.
I did this by accident my first time playing. I was like wait how is this gonna work? Was amazed at the detail that John so seamlessly takes over everything in the game including returning to Arthur's former interactions. Part of me kinda assumed this was always how it worked with maybe you unlocking the mission when you play as John but that's so cool to get confirmation that it actually does transition like that optionally.
John got me blushing, giggling, curling my toes, twirling my hair and kicking my feet
That’s funny, I only met Hasmish as Arthur and he died during the veteran III with John…
Man one day under a stressful situation, that golden horse got away from me…. Ran off into the mountains without me n I couldn’t call em back. That was the last ride before all hell broke lose. Miss you buddy hope ur still out there
Honestly, I always visit the veteran as John even if his final mission spawns with Arthur because of multiple reasons;
1) Buell and by extension, the veteran both get to live longer and talks fondly of Arthur to John
2) As you get Buell much later on as John, you can basically keep Buell forever and make him your main horse without him dying at the hands of the Pinkertons playing as Arthur
3) The veteran dying in John's arms just feels right because he seems much more content and he can finally go be with Arthur in the afterlife
In my one and only play through of RD2, I had completed the Hamish missions under Arthur (not knowing the weight of which he had on him in the epilogue). This little cut scene really put a smile on my face because it really showed the bond Arthur and Hamish had, as he was my favorite side mission characters l. Also kinda makes me regret the chain events I chose to play through (Hamish’s story up until his death, keeping and playing with Buell up until his and Arthur’s death in the same mission). Really makes me that much more sad about the whole thing
Happiest ending: Only do the first or second veteran mission as Arthur, buy the cheapest horse and stable yours before the final mission, then go see the veteran once as John and never return. That means Arthur's horse, the veteran, and Buell all technically survive.
I always liked how stranger missions have unique dialogue if you started them with Arthur but continue as John.
Having this house during the last mission still hurts..
I love how Hamish remembers arthur instantly
Bro that’s Arthur Marston Junior
Its meant to be adult jack marston
@Sticky Man I think if it was, they would have downloaded the Jack Attack mod
@@I_JetFuture_I how do you mean?
That Jack Marston outfit is pretty good. Nice job.
I accidentally unintentionally did this my first play through
The way you made John look makes me feel like this is what Jack would look like if he got older after the events of the first game.
i didn't know I could keep Buell if I left his last mission to John, but I did it without being aware (simply forgot about him). Now Buell is my horse and it's nice to have him around.
@@GuitarDude_45 that's what I keep telling him
I find it funny that Hamish only dies when John gets involved
@🏳️🌈⃠[Ace Attorney] Lord Fawful im aware, i meant if you have a play through where you do the last mission with John, then technically he only dies when he visits Arthur's friend
@@Ranyesn that's hilarious
Rockstar absolutely did not have to make this much new dialogue for completing side missions in the epilogue, but they did and I’ll be forever grateful
I love starting the side missions with Arthur and finishing them with John, as much as I can. It makes it so you get to play story longer and John gets to truly finish what Arthur started.
I've done it this way since my second playthrough. I love that horse
I’ve said something similar for years.
I do the first half with Arthur the second half with John.
Works better for story and buell lives on the farm
I felt so happy when I saw the fish we caught as Arthur. Man, I love this game ❤
You get to keep Buell too!
My Buell was shot. In a mission. By Pinkertons. Soon before Arthur. It’s sad.
And yet disappears in RDR 1
@@ChromeMan04 Yeah well maybe he died horses don’t live forever here now
Sounds like John, Looks like Jack Marston.
*One regret I'll always have is leaving literally no stranger missions for John to do.*
*Completed every single one as Arthur as I was invested deeply into his character and then?*
*The rat got him😢*
2nd run
John's outfit in this cutscene reminds me of the clothes used by Jack Marston when you take control of him
I agree everybody should do that cuz first, Hamish live longer, second you can have to see This beautiful moment how they both mention Arthur and how he did these amazing things.and 3rd and most importantly you keep that rare beautiful horse Buell always unlike when Arthur lose it after he dies also like that Arthur don't see his true normal friend die like that
That’s one reason, the other is because you get to keep Buell without loosing him in the switch from Chapter 6 to Epilogue 1.
But one good thing about completing these missions with Arthur is that his sketches are great. Johns are… ok lol
I leave this mission to John but I always have Arthur play out charlottes part
John kinda looks like an adult Jack in this video
I kept the horse and promised myself it would live and breath with me forever, the veteran was one of my favorite side quests and I really related to him.
The last mission with Arthur they killed the beautiful gold horse, my heart broke as I let out an audible shout of denial, I knew Arthur was dying but I couldn't stand to break a promise to a friend, especially one who isn't with us anymore. It was like breaking the last earthly tie I had to him and it broke my heart.
Little things like this… how the game allows you to continue missions years later with another character and make it make sense is why this is a masterpiece.. it was all so well done
Hamish was by far one of my favorite characters in the game. I completed the mission as Arthur and when the ending with Buell made me want to restart over so he could be saved.
I’m torn on doing this during my current play through. Yes you get to keep Buell and yes Hamish lives a little longer but there is also a case to be made that John’s default horse could be named after the daughter he mentions to Bonnie McFarlene in RDR1.
I also like waiting to finish as John so it let's the veteran live an extra several years
Hamish was my favorite side character by far. The missions with him felt so real and were a break from the sad reality of everything else. He was probably the death that made me the most sad. Because of this I used Buell as my horse for the rest of the game and was so torn up when the horse died too
It’s amazing how everybody immediately remembers Arthur after 7 years. That’s so dope.
What jacket are you using? Love the Jack look (Also where’d you get the red bandana and Jack kinda facial hair?
I refuse to do with it John. It’s Arthur’s story so I do it with him.
cool?
Same. :o Granted, I save that mission until after the epilogue with John is finished. I use either a save editor or Rampage trainer to change the character back to Arthur, as healthy. Screw the game ending, my Arthur lives at the end! >:3 Even more interesting is all the stranger missions work as though Arthur is still alive lol. Minus the ones that are for John only, which those are just meeting with old friends. But as far as the game is concerned, Arthur is alive and well. :D There are even unique scenes with Arthur in Armadilo that you wouldn't ordinarily see because they didn't intend for you to go there as Arthur, but it seems they had planned on potentially exploring past Blackwater as Arthur at some point and kept the scenes in. xD!
@@LucrassKelvac Denial comes in many forms….
@@chuckingreaper8654 Welp there is such a thing known as headcanon xD. Either way, I prefer to play as Arthur over John. :)
@@LucrassKelvac Good luck doing what you do for red dead 1
Your John looks like Jack at the end of rdr 1
i always avoided this mission because i thought he would take me on a fishing trip
Have you got a mod that makes you Christian bale or is that just a mad coincidence
Was thinking the same thing, the long hair also looks different from what I remember it.
@@AK-lx1cr it's a mod to make him look like Jack martson in rdr1
@@nathanferrol I see, shame, he looks badass in the vid.
Are you sure this is John?
it's John Junior
john here looks exactly like Jack at the end of RDR1
Is no one gonna mention that amazing jack outfit
I feel the interaction with these two is better if John meets him first and not Arthur.
I did this and trust me it's a lot more satysfying since Hamish lived longer, John saw what Arthur had achieved with the veteran, you can keep Beull forever and Hamish lives longer.
Jack really does look a lot like his father
It would have been a nice touch to the game If you could bring Hamish back to his cabin & a burial cut scene.Just leaving him there In the wilderness seemed wrong.
Got John looking like jack marston
why is nobody talking about 1: the adult jack outfit on john and 2: hamish still remembering arthurs name so fast even after 8 years
They went hunting and fishing together.
That happened to me, i was with arthur and i was going everytime to rhodes and i found a veteran and i was talking to him every time i was going in rhodes, but when he died i went with john to rhodes i saw him and john told about arthur to the veteran.I was going to cry
🎶🎼thast's the way it is🎼🎶
😭😭😭
I get Buell as Arthur so his story can have an end... a noble death for Buell helping Arthur and John escape... something poetic about it.
John look like rdr1 jack with that facial hair style definitely his son and you can’t tell me other wise lol
I didn’t even know that was a fucking option this game never fails to amaze me
this game still surprises me to this day
A cool side not about this detail is the blind man warns about taking another man’s horse so I didn’t actually take buell at the end of the mission, but the horse I did have I had through most the game so it still hurt when she died and Arthur thanked her.
Totally agree
When I first completed this side quest, I cried when Hamish died and got to keep his horse
To the point that each time I play thru the game I’ll always finish this quest as John
Hamish is one of the nicest background characters you come across 👍
i think arthur getting buell and using him in his last mission is the best way to go about it
I got Buell after Arthur’s death, so it means a lot riding around a horse meant for Arthur, like a gift to John from his brother. I did however die with the horse Hosea tells you to ride up the mountains on the Bear mission, so that struck a dagger in the heart, the last thing Arthur had from Hosea was gone
Hamish showing off Arthur's trophies like a proud dad
I only had the opportunity to play this masterpiece a month ago even though I've wanted to play it since its launch.
I didn't have much time to fully enjoy it and I'm fell bad I missed some details due to the rush with which I played it. I love how the story is so full of details that even small interactions with less relevant characters can enrich the story and show more of the main character. I hope one day I can play it again and spend more time appreciating these moments.