12 TEN INCH SPEAKERS TESTED IN A 1967 FENDER PRINCETON
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0:00 Introduction
1:41 Jensen C10R
2:23 Jupiter 10SC
3:05 Stock Oxford 10J4
3:47 Warehouse Veteran 10
4:30 Eminence GA10-SC64
5:12 Weber 10F-150
5:54 Celestion G10 Greenback
6:37 Celestion G10 Creamback
7:18 Celestion G10 Gold
8:01 Jensen P10R
8:43 Weber Blue Pup
9:25 Weber Silver 10
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Guitar: FCS ‘63 Tele - bridge PU/Twisted Tele.
Amp: ‘67 Fender Princeton. All knobs at 5, reverb and tremolo off.
Mic: SM57 an inch off the grill, straight on where the cone meets the dust cap of each speaker.
Signal path: BAE 1073 into Apollo x8p, into Logic Pro X. I put some gain on the stereo bus to get the overall level up, but did not level match each track individually. The varying levels you hear are the speakers.
The Ceramics:
Jensen C10R - 25 Watt
www.jensentone.com/vintage-ce...
This speaker sounds like what I imagine the stock, vintage speaker may have sounded like when it was new. Trashy, bright and bouncy.
Jupiter 10SC - 25 Watt
jupitercondenser.com/product/...
The price and looks of this speaker are fantastic. The tone to me however is like a less interesting C10R. I could see people liking it who like the sound of the C10R but want less sizzle.
Oxford 10J4 (The stock, vintage speaker)
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Very bright and lacking in lows. I can also hear chatter coming off the cone or dust cap, which is magnified when you record it.
Warehouse Veteran 10 - 20 Watt
wgsusa.com/vet10
Overall smoother, warmer and more refined than the C10R. I could see this speaker being popular with people who want a more balanced tone than the C10R.
Eminence GA10-SC64 - 20 Watt
www.eminence.com/speakers/spe...
This speaker has more pronounced mids than the other ceramics here, which translates as being livelier, and more exciting. I could see this speaker being popular in this amp with people generally looking for more mids.
Weber 10F150 - 25 Watt
www.tedweber.com/10f150
Noticeably louder than many of the other ceramics tested. I estimate it errors on the side of sounding a bit modern. If you are one of those wishing for a more muscle from the amp via a speaker, this might be a good speaker to consider.
Celestion G10 Greenback - 30 Watt
celestion.com/product/31/g10_...
The build is top notch. It’s balanced, but lacks the chime associated with this amp. For that reason, it’s one that I would classify as not right for this particular amp.
Celestion G10 Creamback - 45 Watt
celestion.com/product/217/G10...
The build quality is superb. To me it has more clarity than the G10 Greenback, and also provides some of the chime back. I could see this speaker being a favorite.
THE ALNICOS:
Celestion G10 Gold - 40 Watt
celestion.com/product/7/celes...
This speaker is lovely and the build is top shelf. It really dresses notes up. It’s a tidier sound than any other speaker here. It’s an arguably more expensive sound. I’m not sure it’s the right match however for this particular amp. I would argue it’s too classy sounding. I’ve seen people ask and have been asked myself if this speaker fits into a Princeton, and the answer is yes it does.
Jensen P10R - 25 Watt
www.jensentone.com/vintage-al...
I’ve heard this speaker in many Fender amps so it’s tone was immediately recognizable. I found it open sounding, not compressing like the C10R. I could understand many feeling this is a the perfect upgrade as it’s got recognizable Fender tone, and offers a more complex sound than the C10R. Fender included this speaker in their recently released Hand-Wired ’64 Princeton reissue.
Weber Blue Pup - 20 Watt
www.tedweber.com/blue10a
Like a Princeton had a baby with an AC15. It has that cool chime. I found it a bit looser in the lows than what works for me typically. I might use this speaker in the amp when I want to create a Vox sound while recording. All this said, this speaker is a complete departure from the original speaker or the C10R unless you only focus on the fact that all have a lot of chime.
Weber Silver Ten - 20 Watt
www.tedweber.com/slvr10a
It sounds and reacts like a vintage speaker. It’s warm, yet still has chime. It compresses and sags. It’s loose in the lows, but in a vintage, worn in kind of way that sounds and feels very authentic. Playing it felt like what I would expect from a vintage Fender Tweed Deluxe. I liked it so much that I also ordered a 30 watt model to see if that would tighten up the lows a shade.
This is how to do a demo.
More like a way to waste money
Vintage series Weber surprised me. It had the right tonality.
Love the crunchy old Oxford. I would imagine it runs out of headroom pretty quickly. Weber Ferromax is nice!
Great video, very helpful. I read somewhere that after only a few seconds your ear memory forgets the specifics of the sounds, so here is a list so you can A/B quickly between speakers
Celestion C10R 1:43
Jupiter 10SC 2:24
Oxford 10J4 3:07
WGS Veteran 10 3:50
Eminence GA10-SC64 4:31
Weber 10F150 5:13
Celestion G10 Greenback 5:56
Celestion G10 Creamback 6:38
Celestion G10 Gold 7:20
Jensen P10R 8:02
Weber Blue Pup 8:44
Weber Silver Ten 9:27
Thanks!
I’m a Jensen guy…
I have a P12Q from 1955 in my ‘65 Princeton, and I’ve come to the conclusion that it is as important to the final sound as any other component. It’s simply the best sound I’ve heard, and the treble is easy to dial out, but impossible to dial in, so in short…
Vintage 12” Jensen = Magic.
Well these are 10’s lol
But I agree, the Jenson is the best. The only thing better is JBL
I have a Jensen C10R in my pine cab 3 tube upgraded output transformer Fender Super Champ XD and it's staying in. I play a 66 blackface Fender Bassman through a 2x12P12Q pine cab also. I also play a Fender Super Sonic head through a 44 pine cab loaded with 2 Jensen P10R, a P12R, and a C12R. I also Play a 1967 Fender Bassman AB165 through a single pine cab loaded with a 50watt Jensen C12N. Jensen are the best in my opinion @@frankstephenson1746
Maybe because it’s an old low-wattage speaker that has been battered into submission, but the Oxford, by a mile.
For this amp, I am really impressed with the Webers and Jensens on this demo.
Afaik Fenders originally used to come with Fender branded Jensens
The stock Oxford sounds huge! Definitely sets itself apart from the rest. Most of them sound pretty much the same. The Jupiter seems the meekest.
I was actually impressed by the Jupiter the most
Jensen speakers are always brighter the the rest.. They all sound good, it is just a matter of taste.
Maybe I’m too easy to please. I liked them all. Not a disappointment in the lot. Thanks for sharing.😊
I preferred the Jensen C10R. I also liked what the greenback did for the amp.
Thanks for your time and info. Very cool
Thanks for sharing your exhaustive testing of these speakers. Very helpful.
That oxford sounds awesome.
Oxfords are underrated. I think that's because the alnico CTS and Jensens are thought of as the speakers to have in a Blackface Fender and people refuse to accept anything else. The Oxfords are probably less efficient so you can get some breakup at a lower volume and they do sound good.
@@5000rgb Early Fenders had often Alnico Jensens. Alnicos are LESS efficient compared to ceramic speakers. Most Alnicos are 95dB/ 1meter/ one watt, there were ceramics are nearly all 97 db or higher. Note : 3 db is double Sound Pressure Level ( SPL ) !!!!!!!!
C10r for me! Replaced it for a while with an Alnico Gold and went back to the stock Jensen. Just perfect for the amp!
can't thank you enough for this, great comparison
I liked the weber ferromagnet and the cream back, the weber's all sounded good to me!
The Jensens, by a mile. I prefer the ceramic C10R, but that P10R sounded very good too
The most clarifying speaker comparison I've seen, well done! Subscribing was a no-brainer.
Wow, thank you SOOOOO much for this awesome gift!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am in your same 10” speaker spot! Very helpful
Great video, really useful. Thanks!
Love the gear-nerdery! Glad I'm not the only one ;-) Great work Eric
By far one of the best speaker comparision video in UA-cam, congratulations! I also agree with the thoughts in the description except for the Blue Pup, which I think sounds surprisingly thin (I listened with a professional earphone). It’s a shame that some speakers like Weber 12A125, 12A150 or WGS G12C and G12C/S were missed, but obviously not everything can be presented unfortunately .
I like the Jensen's and the Celestion Gold had a nice pop, round balanced sound. they all sound great, I thank you for this great demo!
Great comparison demo. Would've loved to have heard a Oxford 10L5, but understand you got the best array of choices in these! Kudos and thx!
So useful! Thanks a lot !!!!Greetings from Brazil !
Great job! One of the better speaker comparison videos out there.
Thanks!
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. What a grind trying to decide so it's awesome to have so many choices in one spot and with the chapters it's easy to a/b the candidates. If the frequency graphs were with the speaker picture, that would have been over the top! Great work!
Man, that Weber Ferromax sounds great!
Wow 👏surprisingly liked wherehouse, weber best! Great demo.
The Weber Ferromax is for me:) Thanks for the great video-very useful. cheers
Jensen C10R sound most naturally. And I like this most. Thanks for demo
Thanks, nice back to back work that makes it easy to compare. Also - not ridiculously over-distorted tests that are completely useless in judging anything. Fine work.
Best vid ever, thank You mate!
Both the Eminence GA10 and the Weber 10F sounded great and were quite similar with the Weber appearing to have a little more bottom end. Was pleasantly surprised by the Celestion G10 Gold as well. The stock Oxford sounds loud and torn up which is cool for some applications...
Well done, and very timely!!
The Celestion Alnico Gold for Alnico and The Eminence Alessandro for ceramic magnets. Great comparison video!!
Excellent video 10/10! Really helpful and informative. I like the Jenson the best...but that's just me.
thanks for the samples. i always tend to lean toward the jensen or original. a appreciate it.
Thanks for vid, watched it, ordered the Eminence Alessandro from Sweetwater, $114 for my 66 Princeton.
Just a wonderful demo. I considered replacing my Jensen P10R with a G10 Greenback. Funny how close they are.
This video is gold! Both Jensens are winners for me.
They both sound great in the amp.
Great demo. The winners to me were the Gold and the Alessanro
Your attention to detail is much appreciated. Thank you for the level playing field comparison... I've been looking to upgrade an old 2x10, open-back combo cab and this really helps in that decision making process.
You need some adult supervision
@@jwh475ezc haha when it comes to gear .... never!!
I have the G10 Gold and I love it in my PRRI
Great demo. Thanks for the comparisons. 1) There was a huge difference in listening to this video on my phone, vs bluetooth earbuds, vs good studio monitors. Listening to various speakers through various speakers is a bit ironic. 2) What I like as an independent guitar sound may not serve well in a house mix. In one of his videos, Tom Bukovac talked about sound checking with Joe Walsh. He thought Joe's rig was completely shrill and ice-pick sounding, while his own rig was warm and full. When it came to the sound in the house, Tom's sound was completely buried, while Joe's tone sounded great.
Nicely Done!
...and as ever, tone is always subjective
Well done!
My Fender amps have greenbacks, creambacks, cannibis rex, stock eminence and a Red wizard. I've been thinking of adding in a Jensen C12. After this excellent demo I am leaning more in that direction.
Perfect vídeo , great work and effort to do it right. Maybe I’m a little deaf ( listening with AKG studio headphones) but all of them sound pretty much the same for me.
Great comparison: thanks for the upload ! My preference goes to the Jensen P, although I installed an Eminence Alnico LEGEND 1028K that sounds pretty darn cool !!
1028K is one of the most vintage sounding 10" speakers.
Wow thanks for the introduction to Jupiter speakers, granted I am listening on a phone and it’s probably not a lower resonant driver but the clarity and detail were sweet.
I think in a closed cab or in a combo with a greenback or???? Damn these videos 😆 GAS
I liked both Jensen's and the Eminence. the Green back sounded great too.
Funny because I just did the same thing the cheap way, using IR's and a Princeton Reverb amp model. I wasn't sure how accurate it would be. Your video just confirmed everything I heard with the IR's. The C10R was my favorite followed by the P10R.
The Eminence surprised me, I don't usually like their speakers but the Alessandro was great. Sounded like an excellent modernization of the classic tone. The spirit of the jensens but with a little tighter bottom end
I liked the Oxford. I’ve went through this myself, but with champs. I love the original speakers. There’s a certain charm to something being pushed to the max
It’s hard to make a decision, they all sound good!
IMHO- P10r and Weber Silver resonate to my ears.
I have an original 64 SR with P10r’s. And my original 65 VR has Rajin Cajun’s. Love 10’s. Thank you for the detailed demo. 🔈🔈
After viewing this video, I purchased a P10r to replace the custom design Eminence Gold in my Rivera Clubster 1-10 25W. Amazing improvement. Such detail in the high mids.
Really like the Jensen c10R
GREAT COMPARISON! Thank you! For me , a Strat owner, it was a toss up between the Veteran and the Weber Silver Bell. Most others were too jangly or not distinct. I need headphones though. I'll be back......
I've tried 5 of the 12 speakers reviewed,and ended up with a Fat
Jimmy C1025,in my 65 PRRI.
Fantastic speaker,for this amp!
AKA WGS Veteran-10. Same speaker as the Fat Jimmy, built by WGS but has a felt dust cover that affects the highs. Both great!
I liked the gold. I own a 210 mojotone cab with jupiters and a VS 35sc head. They will stay for now.
I really like the Jensen C10R & P10R speakers. These speakers really get that classic Fender clean tone. I have a VHT Special 6 Ultra. The stock speaker made the amp sound like it had several blankets over the speaker. I put a Jensen C12R in the amp and not I get really great clean tones. The least good tones, in my opinion, were from the Celestion speakers.
The Jupiter sounds very open. I like it. It stands out and is most different. Of course the original Oxford is the most open but is overdriving so easily. There are people who can fix vintage speakers without reconning them. I have always liked the Jensen P10 R and it maybe my favorite here along with the Jupiter. I'd have to play them in person. The C10R sounds pretty good too.
I thought the Jensen and the allesandro by eminence sounded the best. Sweet, clear and balanced highs, lows and mids and the Weber Ferromax too.
Great demo! Wow...tough choice? The “British” voiced ones definitely smoothed out the tone, and the Alnico ones had great Top end. The American voiced ones had a jangle and presence that was missing in the British. Some had quite a bit of speaker breakup. There were at least 5 standout matches in there?
You can really see how much speaker choice effects the voice of the amp.
I have a 5e3 clone that came with a 15watt 12” Celestion Blue...nice chime, but too much breakup? The 5e3 has so much going on in the Midrange, and can get very loose? That can be really cool, but makes the amp more of a one trick pony.
I ended up with a 50 watt Jupiter 12LC, which makes the amp much more versatile. I like the Tone better so far.
Well done video! This is the video people should look to when wondering which speaker they want on their princeton. I personally keep the Jensen C10R on my PRRI. I've tried the Eminence GA10-SC64 but found that I really missed the high end chime that the Jensen offered.
I sold my GA10-SC64 for a Fat Jimmy,and have never looked back!
Celestion Gold, no doubt
Excellent! I've got one of those arriving tomorrow for a combo I have. Liked my research on it before, and liked what I heard here.
Which one did you pick?
@@mydeadletteroffice Eminence GA12-SC64
@@rustyl.6358 That's a good one!
Really useful 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Partial to the cream back ! that’s why I bought my deluxe reverb
Thanks for the comparison, 12"s are too big and i'm happy to find comparison of 10"s. I wish one day some manufacturer put some design efforts for good sounding guitar 6"s, seriously guys we are in 2021, those amps have to get smaller and lighter !
Played alone like this i like the both Jensen's the most, but i must say the WGS is very interesting also and i could bet in the mix in band situation the WGS would be the one who cut thru most graciously.
Great test, thanks. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 65RI (10"). I preferred the Creamback(CB) and P10R. They weren't the same but both produced a bit less twang than the current stock Jensen. The P10R had more Fender tone and the CB was more Brit but -to me- retained enough of the Princeton character. The Gold sounded good but went too far Brit, which is not what I'm getting a Princeton for. The Gold certainly works well for many others based on numerous forum comments.
If you want to turn a PR in to a weapon try a Webber Ca.
I traded off my '68 with the stock Jensen, because a Deluxe Reverb worked better for me. That has the Orange Pumpkin JBL in it.
That is no longer a one arm amp for me.
I am finding many Tele PUs come across brittle on the plain strings to me.
I do like the twisted Tele neck.
I am loading a two 10" bottom with Celestion G10 Vintage 50 w units.
Hope to fall in love.
Thanks Chris
I really liked the silver ten in this application.. Sounds the shiz. Good definition and some flabbiness there when you want I would imagine. I'd dime the amp and push it into collapse...this speaker would make that sound even more awesome.
Fantastic demo!!!! Tells all we need to know.
Most often a proper re-cone will sound more like the speaker did when it was new... of course not like it sounds after years of abuse and degradation. In the hi-fi industry this is done all the time.. Very often we do have original examples that are not shagged to bits, so can compare new recone to near new old.. Don't just install any old cone that 'fits'.. choose one like the original.. it will sound different than your broken driver, heck yes.... it will sound like it did when new.
Nowadays recone "kits" are readily available for most old school guitar speakers.
Love that Weber silver alnico
It's a good one!
sounds the best to me great video
My top 3
Eminence
Celestion Gold
Weber Blue Pup
Lot of good info hear guys. Just a few more things to say.
I have 4 speakers for the PRRI
Jensen C10r - Very scooped in the mids, just way too bright for me. It is Fendery but it still doesn't have the magic of the old Jensens Very loose in the bass. Too loose. I do 'think' the P10r would be the better of the two as I have played others with this speaker but not in mine.
Weber 10f150t - Love / Hate relationship with this one! First , it's a VERY LOUD speaker. And as stated very heavy in low mids once you start pushing some volume. The love part - It does have nice articulate highs and a very controlled low bass. And the depth of this speaker is unmatched with effects, delays, reverbs, phasers, etc. Nice string separation too. Did I say it's loud....I think the 10f125 would be a much better match for the PRRI. wouldn't be as boomy in the low mids
WGS G10c - I'd say it's closer to the Weber than the C10r. Much more musical sounding than the 10f150t, you may say more pleasant sounding. Not as loud as the Weber. Still gets that low mids push when the volume goes up. Not quite as much string separation as the Weber. Depth is good but not as good as the Weber. Large magnet also controls the bass here too.
Emi 1028K - Alnico - very different from the others, being alnico you can push the volume a lot more as it compresses. Very little depth when compared to the others and has a high mid character that can become fatigue-ing after a while. Rounder sound, not as bright as the others. Still very usable, I'd take it over the C10r. Good classic rock speaker in the vein of Bob Seger and similar as it has a nice grit once you start pushing it.
Either Jensen sounds more like Fender, but I like the compression and roundness on the Gold. It is probably the most expensive speaker. You mentioned they were louder, so maybe my ears were tricked due to the increase in volume. The Jensen reissues are nice speakers and the most reasonably priced. Nice vid, well done. Thank you.
Thanks man! The Gold is a great speaker, but sounds a bit classy for me in this amp.
This video feeds perfectly my mental illness about speakers.... great comparison. I like the p10r or c10r stock on princeton, but also i liked the blue weber. Greenback suonds too "brit" for a princeton.
Fender installs the Jensen C10R at the factory...it's got the classic "Fender Sound" IMO.
But,
I really liked the Green Back...a bit warmer with a smoother high end :)
Not for the hand-wired ‘64 though - that’s loaded with the P10R. The thing is they all need wearing-in! That P10R sounds pretty authentic given some time. I guess that’s why they chose it for their most expensive and authentic build.
I like the Jupiter!
yeah the jupiter & alessandro.
The Weber speakers sounded good.
I dig the sound of the Jupiter 10SC 25 Watt
The Jupiter is a great speaker. I have one installed in a Goodsell Champton,and really like it.
Me too.
I thought the Oxford 10J4 had character and that Celestion Greenback had a sweet vintage sound.
Shit....the Oxford kicked the crap out of most of those speakers! I'm impressed!
Wait for the P10R to break-in though!
A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
The C10R and Silverbell sound identical to me. I'd expect the Weber to hold up better when driven though.
All sounded great, the only one I did not like was the Oxford. I noticed the Warehouse sounded a bit more compressed than the other selections but still liked it a lotl
It always starts "I'll order 1" ... until all 12 arrive :). Such is GAS!
Yes, I have about 25 extra guitar speakers now 🤣
Amazing video, thanks for the time and effort you put into this. I have a Jensen P10R in my Princeton and keep wondering if I should try anything else. Not really sure I should after watching this video, it’s just a great fit for this amp.
The Jensen is great.
JUST KEEP YOUR P10R
I think the P10r sounded way better than the C10R, only thing clearly better was the celestion Alnico gold.
Perfect demo, out of curiosity what did you end up keeping? I think the cream back and the last 2 from Weber were my favorites 😊
I liked the P10R - it’ll be a great fit once it’s broken-in!
A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
Yes the P10R sounds closest to the original but for me the alessandro sounds sweet.
Very good comparison. I will say I have tried this live with some of the same speakers and the differences seem more pronounced in room. Could You Tube compression be a culprit? (I am using quality monitors for playback)
We can assume that the vintage Oxford may be the only one here that was connected via a soldered connection.
It does sound like there's some coil rub on that Oxford btw... those usually have plenty of bass, but here it sounds as if someone's hand is resting on the cone or there's some enamel on the former coming lose and causing rub (you can hear it in the highs, doesn't sound like a good Oxford).
I liked the Weber 10f150, blue pup, p10r, Jupiter
Of course it depends what sound you're going for.
That Oxford sound beautiful! Love it! Sound it’s gonna blow up anytime, remind me my Oxfords on my 66 pro reverb, is kindy what’s the Princeton is know for, loose, ratty, raspy overdrive that falls apart when fully crank, all the other speakers sound stiff, dull and modern, except the weber alnicos, just the Jensen P10R and C10R make the cut, glad I watched your video as I was tempted to put an Alessandro on my Princeton but sound more constricted and dull than a veteran, keeping my Oxford on my 69 princeton that also might need a recone at some point but now sound very similar to yours, cone scream land 😂
I just got a stock 65 Princeton RI, which FYI comes with the Jensen C10R, when I tried it at home sounded way to spikey and scooped. The 64 Handwired version comes with the Jensen P10R, which supposedly has more mids and a smoother top end. I’m just about to put it in and try it...A lot of times I find I end up liking the stock speakers in the end, but we’ll see🤷🏻♂️😂
There are other considerable differences between the hand-wired and normal RI, but the speaker does make a whole lot of difference. I find the P10R to have a different tone in the mids and more character overall. It's also much louder to my ear. If you still feel the amp is too spikey for you, Celestions are common remedies for those people. Of those I would suggest the Creamback. Good luck!
@@mydeadletteroffice Thanks, yeah I’ve been doing a lot of research on it. I actually really like the stock speaker in my Deluxe RI so I like the Jensen sound, I’m thinking the P10R is gonna do the trick, gonna see today I believe