The Need For Tweed - 1950s Fender tweed amp tone shootout

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  • Опубліковано 9 бер 2018
  • We all know there's something really special about Fender's tweed amps of the 1950s, but what does that mean for real world players? Unlike many of Fender's electric guitars of the same period, these circuits aren't beyond the reach of everyday guitarists. It's often possible to track down a player-grade tweed amp for less than the cost of a boutique replica or handwired reissue that, with a little love, can be a perfectly viable and hugely toneful gigging and recording amp for a modern-day musician.
    If you don't know your 5A3 from your 5F6, let this video be your guide as we present a clean and dirty shootout between five vintage circuits that span the whole of the 1950s from the TV front to the narrow panel era. None of our quintet are museum pieces - these are real-world amps that have all been made safe, had speaker upgrades and sympathetic restorations with appropriate components.
    THE AMPS
    1951 5A3 Deluxe
    1959 5E3 Deluxe
    1957 5E11 Vibrolux
    1956 5E4-A Super (rare 6V6 version)
    1959 5F6-A Bassman
    THE GUITARS
    Blackguard replica with Oil City Wapping Wharf & HonkyTonk Angel pickups
    Gibson Custom Collector's Choice Les Paul #26 'Whitford Burst' with Monty's PAFs
    1957 Fender Stratocaster
    1962 Gibson ES-330
    Gretsch G6137TCB Center-Block Panther
    THE PERSONNEL (in order of appearance)
    Huw Price
    Chris Vinnicombe
    Ed Oleszko
    From 04:48 you'll hear each amplifier set clean and dirty and in some cases with more than one speaker type. All the sounds were recorded from the same distance using a Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mic and a vintage V72 preamp.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 383

  • @justinsane8000
    @justinsane8000 6 років тому +53

    Literally the ONLY amp demo video where I've actually enjoyed listening to someone talking.

    • @destaagengperwira
      @destaagengperwira 3 роки тому

      Me also...

    • @ryanfulldark2775
      @ryanfulldark2775 3 роки тому +2

      There’s a ton more out there these days. If the person is knowledgeable or displays infectious curiosity about what is possible tonally, it’s great. Matthew Scott is a great example of this.

  • @twirlyboggs
    @twirlyboggs 4 роки тому +24

    That dirty 51 5A3 original Jensen for me jeeez pure magic!
    8:35
    Also, that that 59 5F6-A

  • @s.w.matteo6679
    @s.w.matteo6679 6 років тому +66

    Best amp stand ever.

    • @caycejones1258
      @caycejones1258 3 роки тому +1

      I recently set up my 15yo daughter's stage keyboard to run through an integrated amp out to a stereo speaker/sub setup. I placed the speakers on stands behind the keyboard, but needed a little more height to get the tweeters at ear level. Setting them on concrete blocks laid over on their side turned out to be perfect. She's incredibly old school with band tshirts and posters, 70's fashion style, and a growing vinyl collection. I had to laugh when she nodded and appreciated the look of the blocks with her rig 😁

    • @keaganyosef3848
      @keaganyosef3848 2 роки тому

      instablaster...

  • @cawfeedawg
    @cawfeedawg 5 років тому +2

    Thank you for doing this video. The tweed amps really are something special.

  • @Punkdebutique
    @Punkdebutique 6 років тому +14

    I recently got my first Tweed amp, it is a 5e3 Deluxe, the ones that Fender remodeled lately. Damn! I trully do not want or need another amp. It got everything, from clean to dirty tones. Although I want it to sound louder, there’s nothing to complain about it, really. It has the perfect tone!! Everything I plug into it sounds marvelous, I even tried to plug in a microphone and record harmonica through it and felt like a time machine, bringing back those 60s tones that are to die for!! Amazing.

  • @mikeroche3631
    @mikeroche3631 5 років тому +2

    Excellent presentation. Thank you.

  • @scundoalex
    @scundoalex 3 роки тому +4

    Can't afford a vintage so we built a 5E3, used all high quality components, stuck in Tone Tubby Green ceramic speaker and it's all I ever need. Such a fantastic sound.

  • @FilbertMcTwitch
    @FilbertMcTwitch 6 років тому +9

    I have a 1956 Fender Champ that I'm now reminded to love! But wow - that '59 5E3 Deluxe sounds AMAZING. Thanks for this shootout. It's so great to be able to hear vintage amps like these side-by-side.

    • @firdausHITMAN
      @firdausHITMAN 5 років тому

      Ive got a 1957 tweed champ - amazing amp. Ive never played a real 5E3 tweed. Lusting after one for a long time, hopefully if I find a good one and have the money then Id like to be done for amps.

    • @charlesbolton8471
      @charlesbolton8471 4 роки тому

      I have have 1960 Tweed Champ which is incredible, but I do love all of the Tweeds. Personally, I would really like to have a Harvard.

  • @AlexSosaBolivia
    @AlexSosaBolivia 5 років тому +8

    0:37 that warm, throaty sound is what it's all about.

  • @kyrandell3290
    @kyrandell3290 5 років тому +2

    Hi Huw, Have enjoyed your thoughtful reviews, writing and knowledge for many years so nice to put a face to it finally and see/hear the same in a video which is a much better format. More please! Best wishes K

    • @edtweed5e4-a
      @edtweed5e4-a 4 роки тому

      Ky Randell check out ToneTwinsTV on UA-cam for more Huw

  • @butterscotchtele
    @butterscotchtele 4 роки тому +11

    My takeaway; tweeds sound like tweeds, all glorious.

  • @chrisdrake447
    @chrisdrake447 6 років тому +14

    And this is why I keep subscribing to The Guitar Magazine. Fantastic job, everyone, & thank you. Great to actually , finally, listen to Huw talking about this stuff -so knowledgeable without any pomposity.
    & as for the key question, how can anyone possibly pick a favourite? They all sound amazing. But my Neil Young worship kind of leads me off down one particular road ...
    More of this sort of content, please guys.

  • @thomassharp9738
    @thomassharp9738 6 років тому +62

    Funny that (largely) the pursuit of tone is for tone that was invented 60 years ago. Much love from New Zealand.

    • @dressedtosmellgood
      @dressedtosmellgood 5 років тому +2

      thats some peoples idea of it anyway...

    • @waxhead63
      @waxhead63 5 років тому

      Thomas Sharp .... Dead right TS ... I know I am and I’ve been playing for over 45yrs..cudos from Oz🤙

    • @waxhead63
      @waxhead63 5 років тому

      Actually I should have said also that most of the new tweeds coming on the market now seem to be trying to achieve the same...

    • @tysonrinker5958
      @tysonrinker5958 5 років тому +3

      I havent heard anything sound as good as the early fender tweeds, Marshall's, blackface and silverface fenders, vox ac15s and 30s. Nothing new sounds as good as those amps and most of them are just imitating those sounds anyways

  • @johnmorrison5031
    @johnmorrison5031 Місяць тому

    thank you for making this

  • @moimeme7839
    @moimeme7839 5 років тому +12

    Tube rectified amp are the bests, and you sure know how to record a guitar sound, nice demo👍😀

  • @powercourageandwisdom
    @powercourageandwisdom 5 років тому +36

    '59 5E3 w/12" blue celestion 15 watt.
    Hands down the best amplifier for me.

    • @tysonrinker5958
      @tysonrinker5958 5 років тому +2

      Every amp sounded great but the 5e3 had just a little more to it. I'm probably biased though becasue I have one coming in the mail ! But theres a reason i bought the 5e3

    • @steveshears890
      @steveshears890 4 роки тому +2

      Power Courage and Wisdom excellant choice for sure.i have several models of tweed clones my go to is the mighty 5E5 Pro .
      Tone to the bone . Warm as your fav gal,crisp as a cool mountain morn, rich as Leo Fender . Iove em all but if on desert island and could only have one it would b the mighty 5E5 Pro only 3 knobs and morr than enough. Ionly plug straight in sometimes alittle delay. Sorry for long windedness

  • @letmeooze
    @letmeooze 6 років тому +5

    My favourite was definitely the 59 5E3 Deluxe. Clear yet sweet.

  • @realgoodmind
    @realgoodmind 5 років тому +5

    hope you guys start doing more like this with vintage amps

  • @thirdroompro
    @thirdroompro 5 років тому

    Great video and info. Thank you.

  • @jpalberthoward9
    @jpalberthoward9 2 місяці тому

    The only Tweeds I've ever listened to or played that I didn't instantly fall in love with were the ones that needed some work, and of course once that was done, they rejoined the family.
    I have the Princeton and the Tremolux. They both required some rehab, but now they're both rock solid. Neither one of them is going anywhere. The next time they change hands will be at my estate sale. I just hope that will be a long time from now and whoever has them next will understand them and appreciate what amazing tools they are.

  • @Guitarjosii
    @Guitarjosii 6 років тому +5

    Love the 5E3 and the bassman

  • @timothymatthews4399
    @timothymatthews4399 4 місяці тому

    This was extremely helpful for me in deciding which tweed kit to buy from Mojotone. Originally I had settled on the 5E3, but those sweet clean sounds with Vibrato won me over so I built the 5F1. I 13:53 LOVE it! Thanks for this excellent demonstration of old tweeds!

  • @Ollonskog
    @Ollonskog 3 роки тому +31

    I really need to practice my shaking

    • @hyperluminalreality1
      @hyperluminalreality1 3 роки тому +1

      So does he. 9:23 is the intended outcome since you obviously missed it.

    • @orbitaljellyfish808
      @orbitaljellyfish808 3 роки тому +5

      Usually annoying, this dude’s shaking went comedic 👏👏
      Edit: still annoying and 9:29 just 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @211squirrel
      @211squirrel 3 роки тому +1

      The shaking was not ideal

    • @maxpeck4154
      @maxpeck4154 3 роки тому +4

      I've never understood the shaking. I understand the pulling back and forth on the neck for vibrato even less. Why does EVERY reviewer do that? You'd never catch me doing that on a Gibson guitar PERIOD, wouldn't dream of it on my SG. That's why it has a vibrato arm on it.

    • @ClaudioMartella
      @ClaudioMartella 2 роки тому +1

      That's how you add vibrato to a chord with a fixed bridge.

  • @BigHairyGuitars
    @BigHairyGuitars 6 років тому +3

    Holy Christmas! These all sound amazing!

    • @adamimberti6948
      @adamimberti6948 4 роки тому

      Watching this Christmas eve 2019 deciding what amp I'm going to buy in the new year....
      This comment is perfect.

  • @pyroman6000
    @pyroman6000 3 роки тому +3

    Man, I love that old Fender amp tremolo... Nothing else sounds like it! My dream amps are a '59 Bassman 4x10; and a Brownface Deluxe; and a Brownface Pro amp. Whichever that was in the intro to this video just got added to the list!
    And also a place where I can turn them up loud enough to get "the" sound! lol. I'd blow my walls down, if I tried that at my house...
    Johan Segeborn has a bunch of videos out of him playing through vintage tweed and brownface amps- cranked all the way up. Sounds incredible! It sounds like a catalog of all the awesome guitar sounds from the 70's and 80's rock and blues albums. I was like- so THAT'S that tone!!! Hmm- I wonder what these guys REALLY played through in the studio, lol. Who knew- just take an old Tweed or brownface Fender combo, turn it all the way up, and play. No need for anything extra! (RIP your hearing, but it's worth it!)

  • @stormedbyhippiesc3966
    @stormedbyhippiesc3966 5 років тому

    Slide is dope, epic playing

  • @frantisca
    @frantisca 6 років тому +13

    My favourite: 1956 5E4 A6V6 Super with Celestion G10 Vintage. Rich harmonics and overtones. Thanks for uploading \m/

    • @anthonyrichard461
      @anthonyrichard461 6 років тому

      I'm with you. I noticed immediately.

    • @thesjkexperience
      @thesjkexperience 6 років тому +1

      I liked it with the golds too! I guess I need one of each! Take that however you choose.

    • @LocoDirewolf
      @LocoDirewolf 6 років тому

      Mine too, with the Vintage or Gold. Sounded the warmest clean and roared the loudest dirty.

    • @bobboitt3126
      @bobboitt3126 5 років тому

      Exactly it stands out over the others.

  • @papawx3
    @papawx3 5 років тому +2

    I bought my first tweed {1958 Deluxe} in 1983 for $300. It was stupid clean, and all original. I almost didn't buy it, because $300 for a used amp was allot of money at the time, but it was the best sounding amp I had ever heard, so I bought it anyway. I have never regretted my decision that day. I acquired three more over the years: a 1955 Super, a 1959 Pro and the last one I bought was in 1994, a 1960 Bassman. If I had to keep just one, it would be the Deluxe. The others are GREAT in their own way, but there is something special about that 5E3 circuit. Greatest blues tones you will EVER hear from ANY amp, hands down.

  • @smokyFAB
    @smokyFAB 4 роки тому +3

    5A3 and 5E3 Deluxes both with Celestion blues are my favorites.

  • @icarodonatonipinheiro3607
    @icarodonatonipinheiro3607 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the video. Loved it! But I miss the 5f1 tweed

  • @stevehogsett8121
    @stevehogsett8121 5 років тому +3

    Once I get this 64 Supro up and running, im building on of those tweed deluxes. Ive been collecting parts for it for about a year and half now.

  • @guitarshackbr
    @guitarshackbr 4 роки тому

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 amazing!!

  • @Tonetwisters
    @Tonetwisters 4 роки тому

    The 330 and that tweed is magical.

  • @rokkebill
    @rokkebill 3 роки тому

    Nice comparison !

  • @Tonetwisters
    @Tonetwisters 6 років тому +3

    Regardless of what all these comments were about ... I appreciate this video, regardless of its perceived faults. Nice to hear different tweed amps, which oddly enough, I never have heard live before, even after being at this for nearly 57 years (browns early on when they were new amps, then nothing but blackfaces starting in 1964).
    LOVE the Celestion speakers, but would have loved to hear a Tremolux (arghh, you say!?) 5E9, since I am considering having one built as I could never afford an original. Was considering using a 15" in it, but after this, my favorite speaker sounds incredibly good, and besides, they're all blue.

  • @giulioluzzardi7632
    @giulioluzzardi7632 11 місяців тому

    Corr, that old Jensen is the bollox , the nearest alternative speaker was that Gold alnico celestion, it was the only one apart from thecJensen thst did'nt give me an earache. That was a 12 mins well spent to me. Thanks for tsking the time to get it together for us poor addicts that picked up Guitar in the 70s and got hooked within weeks...theres no cure so enjoy all those vibes and record them for us so we can dream about this stuff even more.

  • @dr.stevenpennym.d.3241
    @dr.stevenpennym.d.3241 4 роки тому

    Nice video

  • @Aldo-Music-Channel
    @Aldo-Music-Channel 6 років тому

    Jensen's sound great, have a wonderful warm tone compared to others😎, fantastic review.

  • @bastardsonofretkillr
    @bastardsonofretkillr 4 роки тому +1

    Love all these amplifiers I just bought a Victoria Chicagolux amplifier with a Eminence 1258 12" speaker I have a old Celestion Alnico Blue I might try in it

  • @rshock
    @rshock Рік тому

    I love the 5E3

  • @daughtersofdivorce6803
    @daughtersofdivorce6803 3 місяці тому

    The 5F4-A with the Gold speakers is the best sounding Fender amp I've ever heard.

  • @BenJBrandt
    @BenJBrandt 5 років тому +1

    that trem sounds so incredible

    • @BenJBrandt
      @BenJBrandt 5 років тому

      everything sounds incredible. haha

  • @druwk
    @druwk 3 роки тому +1

    Clean Sounds are deceptive, because they are played so softly...Tweed Cleans are absolutely my favorite 😻 5e11 Vibrolux with the Blue, all the way! 5e4A Super with the Les Paul.

  • @donstewart368
    @donstewart368 4 роки тому +1

    The Jensen C12N is my favorite speaker for the old fender sound.

  • @Patrick-Hoss
    @Patrick-Hoss 4 роки тому

    Great choicees at all: amps, loudspeaker, mic, micpre! 100%

  • @LFD-ls7li
    @LFD-ls7li 3 роки тому

    whole tone is sweet spot in all time

  • @secretreleases
    @secretreleases 6 років тому

    The opening sounded like my favourite Ry Cooder tune!

  • @Tonetwisters
    @Tonetwisters 4 місяці тому

    I have been a player for 62+ years ... Worked in several music stores across a fairly long period of time. I cannot remember EVER seeing an original Fender Tweed amplifier.

  • @X360Anti
    @X360Anti 6 років тому +10

    Bassman with 2 Gold and 2 G10V speakers would be my pick. They would all be inspiring to play though. Thanks for sharing!

    • @russellesimonetta3835
      @russellesimonetta3835 5 років тому

      My dream rig is a bandmaster head, a 2x10 cab, a 2x12 cab and a 1 x15 cab and i would never leave the house.

    • @noelharrison902
      @noelharrison902 5 років тому

      @@russellesimonetta3835 wonder what your speaker pick would sound like through an original 5e3 circuit with a 4 6v6 power section

    • @russellesimonetta3835
      @russellesimonetta3835 5 років тому

      @@noelharrison902 i think jensen 12" q and a r. But your question of 4 6v6,s remindes me of a weber clone that used 2x 6l6 and a blackface deluxe clone that runs 4x 6v6,s!!! That would be wonderful.

  • @cmkilcullen8176
    @cmkilcullen8176 6 років тому +4

    Celestion and that tele...sweet classic tones!

  • @walthaus
    @walthaus 5 років тому +31

    Old Jensens are a perfect match for these amps, putting Celestions in there is okay but it don't sound right to me, so what if the old Jensens blow, get them re-coned and off you go another 60 years. And what's with the shaking, when did that become a "thing"???

    • @Antonio-nn5ot
      @Antonio-nn5ot 4 роки тому +3

      Yeah... either you do the vibrato with the strings or you shake it for feedback... but nowadays loads of people are doing it... namely Dan from that pedal show... 😃

    • @Jamesppatterson
      @Jamesppatterson 4 роки тому +1

      Agree. The Alnico blues sound too harsh and bright for Fender tweeds. The Edge/U2 uses Alnico blues in his Deluxes, but he prefers really bright, Vox like sounds. Get a Vox AC15 or AC30 with Alnico blues if you want to go that route.

    • @blueterrace
      @blueterrace 4 роки тому +1

      It made me nervous

    • @paulcowart3174
      @paulcowart3174 3 роки тому

      I think Celestions sound good in tweed twins Old Jensen's can be hit or miss IMO

  • @auntjenifer7774
    @auntjenifer7774 6 років тому +5

    I really like the Tweed with the original Jensen speakers, that's the tone I hear in my head when it comes to Tweed.

  • @chuckyz2
    @chuckyz2 Рік тому

    5:39 9:43 I have a 5E3 with a Celestion UK Alnico Gold. Its a copy made by a reputable builder and it is amazing. It sounds so good with all my guitars. It has early 50's RCA tubes. Those tubes really take it to another level of harmonic beauty. They were not cheap but worth every penny. If I had to have only one amp, it would be the one I keep. I just wish I had the time and talent to make my amazing gear sing to the full potential it is capable of.

  • @martincrowe81
    @martincrowe81 6 років тому +12

    I liked the Celestion Blues better than the Jensens in the clean comparison, but with drive, the Jensen was by far my favourite. The flubby bass and sort of full-frequency roar is part of the tweed charm. Tightening it up loses something. I don't have a clear-cut favourite in the showcase, though I prefer the smaller tweeds to the Bassman.

  • @anderswedin
    @anderswedin Рік тому +2

    This is just the way a shootout should be made. The same lick, giving us an idea of the difference between the amps and speakers instead of the qualites of the player (no doubt about that, though:)) Very useful, thank you! One question: were the speakers played in or new from the box?

  • @Les537
    @Les537 6 років тому +1

    That jiggly les paul sure sounds nice.

  • @JasonMcFly
    @JasonMcFly 5 років тому +3

    All sounded the same until the Super. Super made me go wow, what a tone! Also the 5F6 Bassman.

  • @Wingman52
    @Wingman52 5 років тому +2

    Interesting that when you listen to the recordings from back when these amps were new there is rarely any sign of distortion, certainly not the extreme over-driven distortion we use them for today. The guitar sounds are mostly clean. In the early 60's until say 1966 or so the quest was for loud and clean. The Silverface Fenders were built to be cleaner at high volumes that the Blackfaces. It wasn't until later when a distorted sound became in vogue that these tweed amps became the holy grail. They sounded like this because that's what the technology at the time could do, not because it was desirable. In the 60's one of the popular amps with the local bands was an 85 watt Twin Reverb because it was very loud and very clean at high volumes, the Silverface I think was 100 watts and even cleaner. The way these tweed amps sound was likely not by design it was just what happened when you turned them up which very few people did.

  • @alaricmusic
    @alaricmusic 5 років тому

    Thank you for the video and the samples of those wonderful amps. Does that 5A3 have a 6SC7 or a 6SL7 in the phase inverter position?

  • @cremotionfilms5561
    @cremotionfilms5561 6 років тому +3

    Love the sound at 0:38 min :) which amp is it? and what kind of pickups?

  • @christiandude3149
    @christiandude3149 2 роки тому +1

    59 deluxe with alnico blue and the bassman are Killer!

  • @mattgriffiths6488
    @mattgriffiths6488 3 роки тому +4

    Does anyone know what that Gretsch he's playing at 2:02 is and how does gets that hollow scream with it? Apart from the hollow body of course because he's playing other hollow bodies that just don't have it. It's an amazing sound - perfect for filling a stadium!

  • @kenodysseys
    @kenodysseys 3 роки тому

    Great video. Question. Why are you using concrete block under all the amps. My guess is bass response. Not wanting more bass from the wooden floors?

  • @maynardmadsen8712
    @maynardmadsen8712 5 років тому +3

    I love tweed amps! Wish you also had one with a 15” speaker.

    • @steveshears890
      @steveshears890 4 роки тому

      Maynard Madsen the MIGHTY
      5E5 PRO 30 watts of 15 tone heaven has 3 knobs like 5e3 .
      I dont know if someone is building them . I built mine ln 02 w highest quality parts i could find from scratch . Cost me about 700$ then in raw material

    • @steveshears890
      @steveshears890 4 роки тому

      Maynard Madsen o and about 200 hrs labor

  • @MrEddie-gf3yg
    @MrEddie-gf3yg 2 роки тому

    If only I had the money for a magnificent Tweed!

  • @tongusgrump2261
    @tongusgrump2261 6 років тому +4

    I’ll take the 5E4-A microphonic harmonically rich wild noisy and out of control beast, the nastiest bull for the ride:)

  • @rockylacoco
    @rockylacoco 2 роки тому

    Hi, Great video, I have some tweeds myself. I was wondering if you could let me know, how to fit four selection gold in a 4x10 Bassman. I have four brand new Celestion golds and the magnets seem to stick out too much where the transformer would be in the way. Thanks, Frank

  • @MWallis2
    @MWallis2 6 років тому +8

    Super with Celestion Gold is outstanding.

  • @nonsolotubo
    @nonsolotubo 5 років тому

    Hi guys. Wanna ask you about the little box down on the left of the amps. Is it a power conditioner or something similar? Need more infos about it. Cheers

  • @wrcolo
    @wrcolo 3 роки тому

    What are those Filtertron PUPs around 2:20 in the show? They sound great!

  • @nickwilson9210
    @nickwilson9210 6 років тому

    Great video!!!

  • @TheChadPad
    @TheChadPad 12 днів тому

    0:37 So what amp and speaker setup was being used with the Stratocaster in this clip? It shows a Bassman. Which speaker was used with it though?

  • @undergroundjohnny
    @undergroundjohnny 5 років тому +15

    You were using the Beyerdynamic "M" 160 , not "C" 160. Jimi Hendrix & Eddie Kramer used the Beyer M160 to be perfectly correct.

  • @jamesprice6381
    @jamesprice6381 4 роки тому

    JUST SERVICED A tweed deluxe BLOCK LOGO 3 INPUTTER, w/variac at 110, it was INSANE TONE...

  • @rotad9967
    @rotad9967 3 роки тому

    Why no 50s era Fender Pro Tweed amps? I just finished rebuilding a 54 Pro (with a 12 inch Celestion creamback instead of the standard 15 inch Jensen) and was curious to hear the difference.

  • @johngreenwood1972
    @johngreenwood1972 5 років тому +1

    Ha, they all sounded great.

  • @kristofer603
    @kristofer603 26 днів тому

    Any thoughts on the FENDER BLUES DELUXE Reissue?

  • @raytracer5726
    @raytracer5726 5 років тому +20

    0:30
    I don't think Leo Fender was figuring out the sound. Nobody cared about 'warm tube sound' in the day, because everything was warm and tube! Tubes are very forgiving when it comes to sound, as long as your circuit works properly, it will sound great. And he wasn't even a guitarist himself, but a radio repair guy.
    He just took the components that were available, all these 'tone components' became a thing decades later.
    The circuits were textbook examples on how to use tubes in a circuit, really basic stuff.
    I've built several clones of these amps.
    What made tweed amplifiers really good, is their road worthiness. Other amps at the time weren't built for gigging. So naturally they became popular with first gigging rock n roll musicians, and so they influenced the sound of rock music a lot.

    • @podrum7421
      @podrum7421 5 років тому +1

      It really depends on a speaker, you can put a cheapo transistor amp on top of 4x12 it will sing really well... But a really large part goes to vintage Jensens that didn't sound like that when new, it took some time for them speakers to get that soft and smooth, that's the thing about it!
      Tube only does a little bit and he is just talking hype, haven't built many amps but learned a lot in a few ones that I made.

    • @raytracer5726
      @raytracer5726 5 років тому +1

      Most high end guitar Alnico speakers are engineered to get that smooth sound right out of the box.
      Leo Fender didn't even design his amplifiers to be played in overdrive. Jensen speakers were used for radio's at the time. Ceramic wasn't in production yet.
      I would say that every part of the amp counts. Not to say you can't get good sound out of cheap solid state amplifiers, but if you want that vintage kind of sound and you can afford it, then I see no reason not to go with a proper tube vintage clone, or perhaps even an original in good condition.
      The price might seem like high, but if you ask me, if you are serious about guitar playing, you spend hours practising each day, and you consider that a good tube amp will last a lifetime, something like 1300 euro for a good 5e3 clone is not much at all. If you are a professional musician, then even a vintage should not be out of your reach.
      However, I think modern clones are just as good, or even better then the originals. You pay mostly for collectors value and scarcity, when you buy a vintage.

    • @wilson4180
      @wilson4180 5 років тому +5

      Leo was after what everyone else was after, loud and clean. Wanted the guitar to sound exactly like it sounded when played acoustically, this was the goal back then. No smooth overdrive or rich warmth, just loud and clean.
      Leo was a genius with amplifiers though. His guitars were good too, but didn’t have the same engineering input as his amps. If you look at amplifiers pre-1960, they are all point to point and a rats nest of wiring and components.
      Then look at fenders. They are like a sculpture inside and perfectly designed to be extremely easy to work on and trouble shoot on the fly. A tweed amp can be completely disassembled with a Phillips screw driver. No one made amps like this. The schematics may have been a copy, but the layouts were completely original designs and that’s why these amps are so sought after.

    • @greglara62
      @greglara62 5 років тому +3

      I'm inclined to agree with you. Fender himself would probably laugh at the preciousness with which we approach these old amps. Yes, they are certainly timeless and have a great sound, but that's due in large part to their simplicity. Our expectations about "tone" have gone up with each successive generation of amp technology, and now we can dial in just about any amp sound we want right from our phones (I was doing it just the other day). But the satisfying sound of a few resistors, potentiometers, tubes and capacitors really can't be beat.

    • @benjamincs1
      @benjamincs1 5 років тому

      So that's why tweeds, browns and blackfaces all sound the same then - oh no, they don't. The sound was clearly important, and to assert that it wasn't borders on trolling.

  • @RobertNolan
    @RobertNolan 6 років тому

    That Telecaster with a Tweed 5E3 wins, in my ears, but the Vibrolux had me raising an eyebrow and a smirk for sure -especially in the beginning with that slide action.

    • @ZekeMan62
      @ZekeMan62 6 років тому

      Robert Nolan I bet you'd prefer the Vibrolux if he was playing it through the original Jensen P10R (see my comment above, then check out the link below).
      ua-cam.com/video/klA2Dx49eUI/v-deo.html

    • @RobertNolan
      @RobertNolan 6 років тому

      Ezekiel Watters the only problem is that I'll be building it by hand and I'm not that advanced yet. :(

  • @chrisshadrick4121
    @chrisshadrick4121 2 роки тому

    That guitar player has an amazing waggle. Shake that thing brother!

  • @johnbeloe
    @johnbeloe 6 років тому

    Cool vid. Weird the alnico golds sounds really good here but whenever I've tried them in fenders, tweed, brown or blackface, they have this horrid spike in a very narrow part of the upper mids that sounds so unnatural on lead lines, almost like a cocked wah. Got a gold 10 out the cupboard to try yesterday just to be sure after hearing this and it went straight back in and replaced with a Jensen c10 clone again. I like them here though. Odd!

  • @kevgh3869
    @kevgh3869 6 років тому

    I bought a Victoria 518. Any comments on this amp?

  • @adrianoganzarolli859
    @adrianoganzarolli859 5 років тому

    Celestion Blue Sounds Like Good!

  • @chensanmiguel3477
    @chensanmiguel3477 5 років тому

    Read the comments about the guitar shaking and had to go back to the vid to notice it. Was too enthralled with the sound first time seeing it. Shaking=Mojo

  • @cemsarioglu5947
    @cemsarioglu5947 6 років тому +1

    Wow this is a lesson about the Fender Amps and the effect of different speakers. Guitar Magazine at its finest. Thank you and renewing the subscribtion.

  • @17porkster
    @17porkster 5 років тому

    IS THERE A VERSION OF THIS USING 65 FENDER PRINCETON 6V6 15 WATT AMP ?

  • @ShaneMcCrae
    @ShaneMcCrae 5 років тому +1

    I enjoyed the video but was very disappointed that you did not include the 5f8a Twin, especially since you cited Joe Bonamassa, who along with Keith Richards and Eric Clapton, have settled on the Twin as the king of all amps. Surely that’s good enough cred to deserve inclusion. I play a Clara built Twin and I swear I can cover virtually every tone you captured with these other lovely amps. Granted, when you get into the dirt, you want to be a mile away, but glory comes at a price. At low volumes the clean tones are unmatchable. By not including the Twin you came up ten yards short of the goal line. I’d love to see a proper do over. Thanks.

  • @ZekeMan62
    @ZekeMan62 6 років тому +8

    When it comes to righteous tweed tone the 5F11 circuit Vibrolux rules. They got the circuit + speaker equation perfect on that one. Tweed circuits have more midrange than the blackfaces most players are more familiar with and can consequently be a bit nasally, but the P10R in the Vibrolux attenuates the mids just enough to remedy the problem. Plug in a good Tele, crank it and see if you don't have the most satisfied goofy grin on your face!

    • @ckmoore101
      @ckmoore101 5 років тому

      Agreed. I built the MojoTone 5F11 Vibrolux kit, using a new Weber speaker. I love it. I don't pretend it has the righteous tone of "old" parts you hear about, but it is amazing.

    • @timbrundage3745
      @timbrundage3745 3 роки тому

      Completely agree! I have a '56 Vibrolux with orginal Jensen P10R and had it recently reconed by Gordon K. Sounds amazing with a vintage Strat.

  • @KelsterVonShredster
    @KelsterVonShredster 4 роки тому +1

    out of the 110 amps i've owned in my lifetime, my hand wired Marsh tweed deluxe definitely ranks in my top 3 amps that I just can't live without. Incredible pedal platform and raunchy as hell when you dime it.....i use a weber alnico and it's amazing.

  • @elginphelps5291
    @elginphelps5291 4 роки тому

    I have a beat up 1958 Fender and a clean Victoria from 2000. Both sound incredible at 3, with the Vic being a bit cleaner and brighter.

    • @Tonetwisters
      @Tonetwisters 4 роки тому +1

      Good for you. I have been a player for 58 full years, and where I live (north Florida), I don't even see tweeds, much less have I had a chance to ever play through a real one. Closest I have gotten, is to a Victoria Deluxe and a Victoria Double Deluxe. Both were incredible. I started life playing through my brother's brownface 1960 PRO, then my 1964 Super Reverb, which I still have.

  • @buffdoc46
    @buffdoc46 10 місяців тому

    I love all my Vintage Jensens, wouldn't swap thwm for any new speaker. Even Reconed sound great

  • @AverageWannabe
    @AverageWannabe 6 років тому +4

    Nice video. As a tweed die hard I liked it very much, hope you will do more of this. My favorite sounding amp (though through youtube it is really hard to know how they really sound), was the 5A3 with the original speaker, second place the tweed bassman with the Vintage Celestions.
    The Celestion Blues and golds sounded kind of harsh, though I gotta tell you, they require a very VERY long break in period so that they can finally leave behind that harshness and start sounding creamier. I have one in my Tweed Deluxe and only a few weeks back it finally broke in, after like 7 months of playing or more. ...almost gave up on them. I think in a few years they will sound even better, they are some tough speakers!
    oh! and tell the guitar player that if he shakes the whole guitar with the hand no vibrato will come out, it`s just silly and a waste of energy ...and it looks ridiculous.

    • @johnbeloe
      @johnbeloe 6 років тому

      AverageWannabe interesting what you say about the golds. I absolutely hammered a gold 10 in my toneking falcon for about 10 hours hoping it would come through and I hated that spike on the upper mids that just wouldn't go or soften. Sounded like a cocked wag on lead lines almost. The very transparent and natural sounding wgs g10c went back in. Tried the same thing with a the 12 inch in a 5e3 and some conclusion. In went an old 60s c12n. Youre saying that cocked wah, annoying harsh spikey soubd eventually goes?

    • @AverageWannabe
      @AverageWannabe 6 років тому +2

      +johnny bwinger yes... They need way more than 10 hrs, and i mean WAY WAY more. 10 hrs is literally nothing for these speakers. Good thing is after they break in they will last forever. Play the heck out of them, specially in stage situations, connect them to your sound system and listen to a lot of RAP music through them, rap sucks i know, but the cone will move. They need some serious punches n kicks in the butt to get domesticated.

    • @AverageWannabe
      @AverageWannabe 6 років тому

      UPDATE: I just installed some really awesome pickups in my strat, and they sound like the worst piece of shit with the Blue. What a fucking crap of a expensive speaker that is... the worst piece of garbage I have ever played, shrill as a motherfucker. Totally disappointed now. Those pickup do sound glorious with any other speaker besides the fucking blue. I`m going to throw that thing into a fucking septic tank. Celestion: Your Blue is the shittiest speaker ever.

    • @johnbeloe
      @johnbeloe 6 років тому +2

      AverageWannabe lol reading this comment. I found the blue broke in much quicker than the gold and always sounded pretty glorious, but maybe just doesn't suit certain setups as does really highlight a very particular frequency band. See how it sounds with another guitar

    • @AverageWannabe
      @AverageWannabe 6 років тому

      I had installed a set of bareknuckle alnico 3 pickups when I wrote my first comment and the blue did sound pretty good with them, but with this alnico V set... holy crap! It sucks a hugely big time! ...Yuk! ...its like little gremlins were ice picking on my eardrum like fucking maniacs high on meth! I hate the Blue right now

  • @jpadilla132
    @jpadilla132 4 роки тому

    That 5e4 sounded like the song "belong" of REM

  • @webseiter
    @webseiter 6 років тому +3

    Interesting amp stand. What's that beneath the stone?

    • @cawfeedawg
      @cawfeedawg 5 років тому

      probably neoprene padding .. that and the cement block help stop vibrations from shaking the downstairs plaster off the cieling xD

  • @mohammadalhumaidi1831
    @mohammadalhumaidi1831 3 роки тому +1

    I feel the need.. the need for tweed

  • @taylorelsner6332
    @taylorelsner6332 4 роки тому

    Can we get another one but play some tunes whether they're covers or your own?

  • @TucsonBillD
    @TucsonBillD 2 роки тому +1

    I’ve got a couple of Fender reissue tweed amps… the reissue ‘57 Deluxe (5e3) and the reissue ‘59 Bassman from the first year of production. Yes, it has those blue frame Eminence 10” alnico speakers. So, here’s my question… have you (or anybody that you now of) run a similar comparison between the original Fender amps (either with the original speaker or an replacement one) and these new Fender amps? If so, how do the new amps stack up to the original? (Back around 1990 Guitar Player magazine did a shoot-out between the then-new Bassman reissue and an original, a Victoria, and a couple of other boutique copies. The Fender reissue was judged to be closest to the original (this prompted a “foul” claim by the guy from Victoria because the then-new Bassman came with a solid-state rectifier that was designed to plug in a rectifier tube socket, and, of course, GP yanked the S/S recto and replaced it with a 5Y3 tube. I guess he was a sore loser…).

    • @tedruybalid2262
      @tedruybalid2262 2 роки тому

      So can you tell us how the Bassman sounded after replacing the ss with the 5Y3?

    • @TucsonBillD
      @TucsonBillD 2 роки тому +1

      @@tedruybalid2262 Since the rectifier only generates the B+ voltage which doesn’t affect the sound signal, it shouldn’t make any difference. It does affect the power output (50 vs 45 Watts) which is a slight difference in output strength.

    • @tedruybalid2262
      @tedruybalid2262 2 роки тому

      @@TucsonBillD
      Ok, thanks!

  • @fatcatsound
    @fatcatsound 6 років тому

    In the video he states the mic is a "Beyerdynamics C160 and it has a cardioid pickup pattern." Not that it really matters but it's an M160 and the company claims it has a hypercardiod pattern. The mic uses 2 ribbons with the 2nd ribbon used to provide rear rejection of sound which might be the only ribbon designed to be unidirectional. Good choice of mics, however. It's rumoured 2 of them were used to record the drums for Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks."

  • @markhammer643
    @markhammer643 6 років тому

    I bought my 5F2-A Princeton in 1976. Could not stand the 8" Jensen it came with. Replaced it with a JBL 2110; also 8" but with more bandwdith at both ends of the spectrum, and more efficient. Never regretted it for a minute. Anyone who tries it covets it.

  • @okaytastic6691
    @okaytastic6691 2 роки тому

    The best speaker I’ve heard in a tweed was the Rec Pro Tweed Deluxe Speed Shop A12Q speaker look it up it’s A+