Well if he has insight in what the emperor wanted kinda make sense he be some kind of opposition to the actual lords of Tera. But the whole King in yellow and seeking the emperor true name its completly SUS.
@@lawrencewalker5534 So it's tough to excited in a comment I think, but essentially, I've read 9 books of what is essentially a 10 book series, the main quest of which is to identify this character Then in the penultimate book of the series, after a lengthy quest, in the FINAL LINE they reveal the name be Constantin Valdor. So yes, it could be a red herring, but it would be such unbelievably poor writing, I honestly just don't believe Dan abnett would do that
@SandmanofTerra i,m talking about the information Beckwin found how do we know that this is not a derversion but it would be cool to see a custodian fall seeing as they are seen as incorruptible
can you imagine that he may become a living avatar of the emperor? Something like: "constantin valdor, avatar of the emperor" would sell like no other thing (as a model)
The Emperor certainly saw him as a colossal investment worthy of his personal attention, even disposing of his parents to “get his man”, so could be a good theory. Me, I think he is serving the Emperor’s wishes though not yet known to us, they’re all part of the Masterplan towards “coming back” 👍
I think Valdor is trying to revive the Emperor. Plus, worst case senario, he's made an anti-chaos strikeforce; he's made an army of blanks, who hard vibe-check chaos (and other powerful psychics), and winged blood angels, who are the strongest 'stable' loyal chapter in a straight hand-to-hand fight.
@@jamesespinosa690 So it's the reverse of Chaos Undivided, only that it's yet to be uncovered, we probably we'll see settings-breaking movements of King in Yellow after 2-3 loyalist Primarchs are returning in the future
Seems like this is the most likely. Searching for the tree of life he found Enuncia. He may be able to revive the Emperor in full if he has the true name. He may also be struggling with the idea that he has to harm the emperor with his spear to gain his **true** name, as the spear reveals truths
My theory is this: It is probably Dorn AND Valdor together, who symbolize the King in Yellow. The Palace of Thaumeizin struck me as something Rogal Dorn would be able to pull of in all it´s grandeur and overall aesthetics. I also got the feeling, that with building this new palace he may have made some kind of atonement for his "failure" back in the defence of Terra and the "death" of his father - he is bulding a new kingdom for his father, who is destined to be reborn someday. Valdor and the Adeptus Custodes are helping him with securing it. Doing the spy work, and going places "ethically", Dorn probably never would or wanted to. Don´t you think that they always had an interesting relationship, these two? Dorn and Valdor? Since the Palace exists in a dimension that is connected to/linked to the warp in some way, it lies in waiting for it´s true, reborn God king to return. Kinda "spicy".
What if the realm of Valdor is the hq of the warp bound primarchs? Like Russ, Corvus and the other loyalists we have 0 intel about. Maybe that is where they sit and about and learn how to use and control their unique warp powers?
@@bloodangel19 It is possible. But that would be quite an army to throw around, a lot of VIPs in one place, so to say. I don't think GW will put all it's eggs into one basket.
The King in Yellow Along the shore the cloud waves break, The twin suns sink beneath the lake, The shadows lengthen In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black stars rise, And strange moons circle through the skies But stranger still is Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead; Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in Lost Carcosa. Camilla: You, sir, should unmask. Stranger: Indeed? Cassilda: Indeed, it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you. Stranger: I wear no mask. Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!
I've always thought that about all their lore. They try and sue anybody that even sneezes any two syllables together, whilst they themselves stole their whole universe from fiction, history, mythology, etc.
Personally, I really hope it's Valdor. I think that would be even better than having Russ or The Lion coming back. There is also the theory that Valdor is a 'proto-primarch', that's physically similar to the other primarchs but lacking in access to free choice and the warp related abilities.
IT's pretty established that the big E planned past sitting in the chair, he laments time and such in "The Great Work" to Caul. Pretty sure he could use something to get Valdor up to speed on his part in the Great work. Taming the emperyian seems like a big E plan. Securing the webway is still possible. Getting E reborn as the starchild is also in the Abnett books, he's a heavy hitter in GW.
If it is Valdor (Im pretty sure it is) Then Greatest ally. The Custodes are literally incapable of betraying the Emperor. They are incorruptible, its mentiones many times, even bt their enemies, like Drach'nyen and the chaos gods. Drach'nyen - "All the stars in the universe will die and fade before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their father (Emperor)" It was also an inner monolog, so its notnlike it was "Second hand" experience, like many innacurate poetions of the lore are (Grey knights bathing in Sororitas blood anyone?) But side note Would be cool if somehow Eisenhorn allys with Valdor and enters his pocket dimension. Would love to see Eisnhorn in the Era Indomitus I believe The Novels take place a few hundred years before Guilliman and the Era Indomitus
I could say that it’s possible the spear he gave could have backfired on the emperor. He didn’t want valdor to lose his humanity and the spear was there to remind him those are people he is killing But seeing all these different perspectives overtime could have possibly undone some of the brainwashing.
@@woodlefoof2 Naw man Its in the lore many times. Custodes cannot turn againat the Emperor...even if they wanted to, they cant. Id say them not being able to vetray the Emperor until the literal end of the existence of reality, would encompass Drach'nyen
@@adrienwatson2179 I mean, I like the idea of valdor being an enemy. Just the whole, first and greatest becomes an enemy thing is just neat to me. And forcing in new perspectives and memories until you don’t know who you are and whose memories were yours and whose were your victims… tbh is probably a little to cerebral for 40k having typed it out. But! one that 40k might do if they are going to make valdor an enemy. Is the mind control sub-trope of perspective manipulation. Essentially he would be working against the emperor in his actions, but in his mind he is working for the emperor, this one would make the spear he received from the emperor a far sight gift. Big E knew valdor would eventually fall for a great illusion. So he gave him that spear which would repeatedly show him the truth of things and eventually break the illusion when he saw what he had ACTUALLY been doing.
@@woodlefoof2 Ill 100% agree it would be a cool idea Especially since Valdor is Primarch level. It would bring a new Primarch level player to the table (Pun intended) But yeah, i do doubt it, Valdor is a fan favorite and Custodes fans would be pissed. Gaurd all the way for me, we get shunned and mistreated no matter what happens, so all good.
It would be funny to see abbadon make it all the way to terra just for Constantine Valdor to return with overwhelming force and absolutely dunk on chaos undivided as a whole and kill its leader in one fell swoop.
to be complately honest i really hope this actually changes 40k again like the great rift in 8th edition and what i really dont want to see is in the end valdor is stopped and killed off that is a huge waste of potential.
From listening to Dan Abnett in interviews, I think it's likely the storyline will tie off. However they'll go back to it at some point in the future of 40K
@@SandmanofTerra yea i just hope the do something big for the setting like returning valdor to the game or something to that scale and not have a important character die off without something big happening in return. especially for valdor with so much build up even with the emperor saying hes important somehow but if dam abnet ties up the story and valdor just dies without achieving something big that will be very disappointing
@@YOGI-kb9tg Agreed No way they kill off Valdor for no reason There is some serious prophecy/Future sight around him The Emperor thought he wad so important he moved all his armies across continents during the Unification wars just to look for him.. and the Unifcation wars were serious business, with Dark age weapons that the Emperor even banned his own Legions from using
@@adrienwatson2179 It's GW we are talking about, _of ccourse_ they would. Just look how they ended Warhammer Fantasy. Many beloved and established characters killed, so to say, off-screen or dying while behaving in ways they never would have. Then GW forgets that Gork&Mork are _two_ gods with _two_ prophets and simply forgets about one of them completely, ooops. I would not be surprised if Valdor dies because he is stumbling over a rock and breaks his neck, in order to then release a new 'Warhammer 40K Chaos Rock' model that costs twice as much as its own weight in gold.
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@@thehermitman822 major kill is a major insecure Wanker. Not into people who put other creators down like that little virgin does. An luetin is good for long content but a lot of it is just shite. An his bias shows through a lot! He’s good but overrated imho. He just has a tonne of content m.
It would be great if they gave him a army to play in 40k and we got a 3rd human faction beyond Imperium Vs Chaos. From the Bequin books we already know he has Astartes with natural wings. As well as a clone army of Pariahs. As well as golden ships that sound like Custodes in spaceship form.
There's actually some debate about which of The Emperor's legs is cramping... Some believe it's the left and some are in the right leg camp and some whisper in secret it's actually Both legs!
Anybody else wondering about the effect of the mechanicus worshipping the omnisiah which is both the void dragon and the emperor will have on the relationship since psychic energy on a massive scale can have a huge effect on the warp
The result might not have an effect on the actual void dragon but could result in a new entity of sorts a mechanicus demon/minor warp god An „order“ version of vashtorr if you will as manifestation of the mechanicus beliefs
I can already see what's going to happen. Valdor finally secures the name but in doing so outs himself publicly as the king in yellow. The inquisition brands him a traitor and sends the might of the imperium against him. He sieges the palace on Terra, is mortally wounded by his brother custodes at the foot of the golden throne, and with his last words he speaks in Enuncia: ", Master of Mankind... rise."
Would he be creating a strike force to stabilize the webway? Maybe close it up with cooperation between Cawl and Eldar, allowing Big E to regenerate, potentially also creating a different astronomicon copying the Pharos? I’m probably confused about it all, as it’s 3am and my brain is scrambled 😂
I think it’d be really cool if he turned to seemingly attack the imperium with his forces and makes his way to terra, could even have some things where it gets tragic since he has to cut down some custodes, and he gets to the throne room, and it turns out (be it something we knew already or just learn at that moment) he was trying to awaken and revive the emperor with his true name, and thus had to be in person or something, and it could have a really cool scene with Valdor standing before the emperor, stretching his arms out and saying “NOW, AWAKEN, JIMMY SPACE(or whatever else the emperors name is)” and it being followed by a burst of power, either that or he gets there in some other way, possibly if terra gets attacked again like when guilliman cam back, and he could come in to save them and as all seems lost he does the thing and the power surge could banish all the demons, IDK I just think it’d be a cool scene
Great stuff and Valdor is right there with the Lion and Khan behind Sanguinius as my favorites. So cool and hope Dan Abnett shows the power of Valdor and how he uses Enuncia to put the hurt out besides his physical power.
Since you reference books, do you have a reading list that would introduce and better solidify the knowledge of these characters? I've loved the 40K universe for years and am just now deep diving into the books, characters & stories. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Eisenhorn is a great starting point just generally for 40K reading imo! Those books are just great sci crime thrillers. After the Eisenhorn trilogy, you have tthe Ravenor trilogy and then you're into Bequin, where the truly crazy stuff happens! If you want to learn more from there, Valdor: Birth of the Imperium is a great stand alone book and then you're onto the Horus heresy pretty much. Which I do recommend it's just very long! You can skip to Master of Mankind if you'd like, it would mostly make sense even still (there are some parts of that book that are unbelievably epic), but there would be a few things you may be missing context for.
@@SandmanofTerra no problem! I guess you could say, given you're called sandman that this is quite the dream come true for the channel! (Yes the joke is bad lol)
Just a thought: I would love to see Jaq Draco, Meh'lindi, Captain d'Arquebus, and Grimm "collected" by The King in Yellow. That would be an epic precursor to an apocalyptic grim dark war!
My guy! Another second edition soldier?! Inquisition war trilogy, space marine (Lex's Necromunda back story), deathwing, O.G G.W epicness! Abnett is awesome, Watson is the G.O.A.T.
Would be awesome for him to be Valdor, and knowing the influence Alpharius' first meeting had he could pull off this. After all, he instituted the Blood Games after Alpharius infiltrated the Palace, wouldn't be so far fetched to see him go the extra mile
It's unclear what part of the 41st Millennium the Isenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin stories taken place, but I think it's all before the fall of Cadia, so I wonder how this will shake out.
@@SandmanofTerra that’s cool. I’m just barely getting into warhammer stuff. I have a buddy who is super into it, but I wanna know the lore stuff before I get into the tabletop stuff.
I've read all the books mentioned here and I have to say I am fairly convinced that Valdor is working some endgame scenario to rise up in support of the Emperor, but what form that will take and how he's been led to forming a huge secret organization that is using heretics and traitors is what I'm super interested in. I cannot wait for that last Bequin novel.
As a lover of the lovecraftian mythos, and Hastur being my favorite eldritch God. I would honestly be willing to try plating 40k if I could use the army of the king in yellow.
I don't play the game but love the lore, hope it continues forward rather than just spinning its wheels with everything about to hit the fan but nothing comes from it.
Does an insane person/the source of insanity itself sound like the Emperor's greatest servant? Because that's what the King in Yellow alludes to as a literary reference. Just a thought. -- I'm an Eldar xeno bro. GW: * Does Guilliman and Valdor stuff * I don't need it. . . I don't need it. . . . *I NEEEEED IIIIIT!*
Any psyker on the same level as pre deamonhood magnus the red. Based on other lore suggesting the golden throne was specifically repurposed to be the emporers life support unit; and psykers in general; becoming more commonplace and more powerful over time
So as a completely off the wall theory, I like to think it's Dorn and that the book with his true name is a red herring. Part of this is me being a Dorn fan and wanting him to return and I know this is out in left field and definitely not going to be what actually happens. So assuming it is Valdor and he does return in some capacity I think he will be in opposition to the Imperium because of the whole worship of the emperor thing. It's also shown in a lot of books that the custodes don't really like the primarchs and think they were a mistake so he will probably not side with Bobby G. I for one can't wait for the third book, but am guessing it will be a while because Abnett has to finish the last two siege of terra books if they aren't done already.
@@SandmanofTerra agreed, also Dorn has already returned as Tyberos the Red Wake so him being the Yellow King is impossible 🤣. That is an honest joke theory that I 100% hope GW runs with. I want Dorn to return but not 30k siege of terra Dorn. I want terrifying "I'm here to build walls and murder traitors, and I just ran out of bricks." Dorn.
Along the shore the cloud waves break, The twin suns sink behind the lake, The shadows lengthen In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black stars rise, And strange moons circle through the skies, But stranger still is Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead, Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in Lost Carcosa.
@@SandmanofTerra Oooo, yeah! Like an eerie place the emperor foreseen, hidden within the warp that the King of Yellow actually rules over or something.
I’ve been learning about a lot of 40k lore through your channel (thanks for that, a lot less reading to fit in on my part). I’m absolutely fascinated by it and think you did it fair justice :) Though I’m also a fan of Chamber’s ‘King in Yellow’, so slightly biased
the king in yellow was a collection of short stories written by Robert W Chambers and published in 1895. the collection is spooky and interesting, and for some reason the title, "the king in yellow," keeps getting picked up and used by authors. It was also used in the first season of True Detective the HBO series
I am a fan of the idea, that the name-dropping of Valdor is a ruse to conceal the identity of the King in Yellow. I hope he will turn out to be the AURELIAN with yellow being the traditional heraldic substitute for gold
The King in Yellow?! Games Workshop might want to check their records to see if there were any negotiations with the Lovecraft estate for use of intellectual property.
@@sleepless9957 I can already see the court battle now -- Ruinous Powers representing Games Workshop v. The Great Old Ones representing the Lovecraft estate. Tzeentch would be GW's top lawyer against Cthulhu while Khorne would face off against Nyarlathotep or Dagon.
@@YOGI-kb9tg Agreed Impossible Even Drach'nyen said "All the stars in the universe will die and fade before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their Father (The Emperor) Even Valdor talks about it in a few books, they literally CANT betray the emperor
@@adrienwatson2179 Correct. It also strikes me as kind of absurd that the true name of the emperor is in a library of Chaos or in the Black Library. The Ruinous Powers absolutely hate and fear the Emperor, if they had such a weapon, they’d use it, immediately. The Harlequins are a little different, but again, it would be a very powerful bargaining chip to use against the Emperor, they’d use it. What seems most likely is that Valdor is on a secret mission of some kind, whether given to him by the Emperor, or one he undertook on his own. It could be anything. Finding the tree, finding Primarchs, or even just holding back a threat until the Emperor’s plan comes to fruition.
If DA follows the literary tradition of the King in Yellow, then it's not a story that will ever be directly told, it's only ever referenced through other stories, also, traditionally, contact with the King in Yellow drives people insane, so there might not ever be a conclusion to this plot arc, just to drive 40K fans slightly mad.
My headcanon is that Valdor is a Primarch without the special Warp sauce. He's so far above other Custodes and could probably defeat one of the lesser Primarchs in a fair fight. Lorgar pre power-up is getting beheaded. Maybe even same with Ferrus Manus tbh
It’s worth noting the King In Yellow is also a very famous book. Which references a “city of dust”. I don’t know too much about the original per se, but I’d look into it
Ok, but what does this have to do with The King in Yellow, the short story collection 1895? Is there a fictional play that makes people go mad? The king in yellow is a staple in lovecraftian horror, this character is not named after him for nothing.
Constantin Valdor, the most loyal guardian of The Emperor. He would and could do anything at all for The Master of Mankind, including things that would be considered heresy or things that would bring ruin to humanity. Leman Russ, the most loyal dog of the Emperor's and a very good boy. He will do Almost anything to safeguard and watch over mankind as a whole. He acts vicious and he is but like any dog, he's essentially perfectly moral and will always do what he feels is the right thing to do..
In the beginning you mentioned a triumvirate. We now have gulliman the lion, we are missing one more to create the triumvirate and that could easily be valdor
The emperor's name as to be in thr hands of the grey kights there grandmaster is protecting a book cant remember its name but its said to jold either the only thing that can save mankind or destroy it completely
He can be the greatest servant of the emperor and at the same time the greatest enemy of the imperium. The king can see the empire as a disgusting shadow of the dream of the emperor and he could want to destroy it to build it a new.
When is the next episode in 40k coming out? Who writes the cannon storyline & how quickly does the story progress? The progress is too scattered to make sense for most people to get interested in. A tv series or a movie would have been better at attracting new audiences.
While unrelated I feel like the eyes of the emperor would be better used in leading a crusade against the xenos or traitors they're the best at what they do.
I think the Emperor planned the whole thing. It's a classic Messiah story, like Jesus. At some point, he realised the threats facing humanity is too great and he won't be able to win. He needs to become more than a man, he needs to become a god. The worship of him is no coincidence. It's fueling his birth as the next warp god. When he finally "dies", there will be a tremendous outpouring of worship and faith towards him and that'll be the catalyst for his ascension. Long live the omnissiah!
If it is Valdor, then he could be seeking the true name of the emperor in order to revive him. In many mythos where beings have a true name, the invocation of a true name can give the speaker absolute control over the being in any extent, including bringing them back from death or recovering from mortal injury. In Egyptian myth, Isis uses Ra's true name in order to heal him from a snake's incurable venom. (the snake was make by Isis using Ra's saliva, that's why it nothing else would work. Because Ra was the most powerful god, a snake made from some of his essence would be stronger than any medicine or healing spell.)
I fear this fantastic story line built up so much and "we" built it up even more with anticipation and theories that it will be a huge let down. Like being an Alpharius or similar chaos chicanery that will go nowhere. I hope to be wrong
My own head canon is that Valdor is actually a real child born from The Emperor and Erda. A child born out of love, and not scientific necessity. A child that they wanted to raise together to be the next of kin for the emperor.
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Well if he has insight in what the emperor wanted kinda make sense he be some kind of opposition to the actual lords of Tera.
But the whole King in yellow and seeking the emperor true name its completly SUS.
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How do we know that this source can be trusted and is not a diversionary tactic by the true king in yellow
@@lawrencewalker5534 So it's tough to excited in a comment I think, but essentially,
I've read 9 books of what is essentially a 10 book series, the main quest of which is to identify this character
Then in the penultimate book of the series, after a lengthy quest, in the FINAL LINE they reveal the name be Constantin Valdor.
So yes, it could be a red herring, but it would be such unbelievably poor writing, I honestly just don't believe Dan abnett would do that
@SandmanofTerra i,m talking about the information Beckwin found how do we know that this is not a derversion but it would be cool to see a custodian fall seeing as they are seen as incorruptible
can you imagine that he may become a living avatar of the emperor? Something like: "constantin valdor, avatar of the emperor" would sell like no other thing (as a model)
I love it!
Kinda like the Celestin prime
Like Karl Franz and Sigmar.
The Emperor certainly saw him as a colossal investment worthy of his personal attention, even disposing of his parents to “get his man”, so could be a good theory. Me, I think he is serving the Emperor’s wishes though not yet known to us, they’re all part of the Masterplan towards “coming back” 👍
Yeah. Something like that.
I think Valdor is trying to revive the Emperor. Plus, worst case senario, he's made an anti-chaos strikeforce; he's made an army of blanks, who hard vibe-check chaos (and other powerful psychics), and winged blood angels, who are the strongest 'stable' loyal chapter in a straight hand-to-hand fight.
The Blood Angels also posses an archetype that would resonate within the warp giving them strength and protection against warp beings.
@@jamesespinosa690 So it's the reverse of Chaos Undivided, only that it's yet to be uncovered, we probably we'll see settings-breaking movements of King in Yellow after 2-3 loyalist Primarchs are returning in the future
@@ohamatchhams i really like that idea a reverse chaos undivided army
Seems like this is the most likely. Searching for the tree of life he found Enuncia. He may be able to revive the Emperor in full if he has the true name. He may also be struggling with the idea that he has to harm the emperor with his spear to gain his **true** name, as the spear reveals truths
"He took on 30 000 sons"
My theory is this:
It is probably Dorn AND Valdor together, who symbolize the King in Yellow. The Palace of Thaumeizin struck me as something Rogal Dorn would be able to pull of in all it´s grandeur and overall aesthetics. I also got the feeling, that with building this new palace he may have made some kind of atonement for his "failure" back in the defence of Terra and the "death" of his father - he is bulding a new kingdom for his father, who is destined to be reborn someday.
Valdor and the Adeptus Custodes are helping him with securing it.
Doing the spy work, and going places "ethically", Dorn probably never would or wanted to.
Don´t you think that they always had an interesting relationship, these two? Dorn and Valdor?
Since the Palace exists in a dimension that is connected to/linked to the warp in some way, it lies in waiting for it´s true, reborn God king to return.
Kinda "spicy".
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What if the realm of Valdor is the hq of the warp bound primarchs? Like Russ, Corvus and the other loyalists we have 0 intel about. Maybe that is where they sit and about and learn how to use and control their unique warp powers?
@@bloodangel19 It is possible. But that would be quite an army to throw around, a lot of VIPs in one place, so to say. I don't think GW will put all it's eggs into one basket.
@@bloodangel19nah bro , that’s assuming Russ is confirmed to be of that kind , which nothing is confirmed of wtf russ is doing rn
Remember when Cipher was to be the one to awaken The Emperor? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
You misspelled Alpharious.
@@robjones9128old and cringe joke is old and cringe
The King in Yellow
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink beneath the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead;
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
Camilla: You, sir, should unmask.
Stranger: Indeed?
Cassilda: Indeed, it's time. We have all laid aside disguise but you.
Stranger: I wear no mask.
Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!
I, too first imagined Hastur on reading the title.
You know of Carcosa? He Who Walks Amongst The Trees? Then you know that death is not the end!
Go away! I'd rather hold a staring contest with Yog-Sothoth
GW: "Nobody can copy or even use anything from us!"
Also GW: "Lets use name King in Yellow, H.P. Lovecraft cant sue us"
Good thing Robert W. Chambers can’t either.
@@ministerjskye exactly, the KiY is Chambers' idea. Lovecraft just adapted it and added the name Hastur
I've always thought that about all their lore.
They try and sue anybody that even sneezes any two syllables together, whilst they themselves stole their whole universe from fiction, history, mythology, etc.
Not to defend GW but it is public domain.
cough dune
Personally, I really hope it's Valdor. I think that would be even better than having Russ or The Lion coming back.
There is also the theory that Valdor is a 'proto-primarch', that's physically similar to the other primarchs but lacking in access to free choice and the warp related abilities.
Yeah, Valdor getting back to Terra like "What the hell have you guys done whilst I've been away?"
Oh boy , the future has some good news for you. The lion is indeed , back.
The moment Alpha Primus and Valdor meet
IT's pretty established that the big E planned past sitting in the chair, he laments time and such in "The Great Work" to Caul. Pretty sure he could use something to get Valdor up to speed on his part in the Great work. Taming the emperyian seems like a big E plan. Securing the webway is still possible. Getting E reborn as the starchild is also in the Abnett books, he's a heavy hitter in GW.
Wasn’t the red haired son supposed to be the battery. You know the guy that thinks he’s so smart. Sorry Magnus! Forgot you and your thousand fem boys
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How tf are suits of saronite even remotely close to femboys?
@@dragondeeznutts fulgrim had the femboys in armor. The purple guy just loved his dad.
If it is Valdor (Im pretty sure it is)
Then Greatest ally.
The Custodes are literally incapable of betraying the Emperor.
They are incorruptible, its mentiones many times, even bt their enemies, like Drach'nyen and the chaos gods.
Drach'nyen -
"All the stars in the universe will die and fade before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their father (Emperor)"
It was also an inner monolog, so its notnlike it was "Second hand" experience, like many innacurate poetions of the lore are (Grey knights bathing in Sororitas blood anyone?)
But side note
Would be cool if somehow Eisenhorn allys with Valdor and enters his pocket dimension.
Would love to see Eisnhorn in the Era Indomitus
I believe The Novels take place a few hundred years before Guilliman and the Era Indomitus
Eisenhorn in modern 40k would be 👌
I could say that it’s possible the spear he gave could have backfired on the emperor. He didn’t want valdor to lose his humanity and the spear was there to remind him those are people he is killing
But seeing all these different perspectives overtime could have possibly undone some of the brainwashing.
@@woodlefoof2 Naw man
Its in the lore many times.
Custodes cannot turn againat the Emperor...even if they wanted to, they cant.
Id say them not being able to vetray the Emperor until the literal end of the existence of reality, would encompass Drach'nyen
@@adrienwatson2179 I mean, I like the idea of valdor being an enemy. Just the whole, first and greatest becomes an enemy thing is just neat to me.
And forcing in new perspectives and memories until you don’t know who you are and whose memories were yours and whose were your victims… tbh is probably a little to cerebral for 40k having typed it out.
But! one that 40k might do if they are going to make valdor an enemy. Is the mind control sub-trope of perspective manipulation.
Essentially he would be working against the emperor in his actions, but in his mind he is working for the emperor, this one would make the spear he received from the emperor a far sight gift. Big E knew valdor would eventually fall for a great illusion. So he gave him that spear which would repeatedly show him the truth of things and eventually break the illusion when he saw what he had ACTUALLY been doing.
@@woodlefoof2 Ill 100% agree it would be a cool idea
Especially since Valdor is Primarch level.
It would bring a new Primarch level player to the table (Pun intended)
But yeah, i do doubt it, Valdor is a fan favorite and Custodes fans would be pissed.
Gaurd all the way for me, we get shunned and mistreated no matter what happens, so all good.
Oh man things are all coming together for a great war! Would like to see the Lion to wake up after Luther woke up.
He's coming I reckon!
And the return of Russ! "A great war" you say.... Sounds like The Wolf Time to me...
It would be funny to see abbadon make it all the way to terra just for Constantine Valdor to return with overwhelming force and absolutely dunk on chaos undivided as a whole and kill its leader in one fell swoop.
Genuinely one of the best Warhammer 40K lore channels I hope that revenue goes up bud
Thanks man! Really appreciate that!
to be complately honest i really hope this actually changes 40k again like the great rift in 8th edition and what i really dont want to see is in the end valdor is stopped and killed off that is a huge waste of potential.
From listening to Dan Abnett in interviews, I think it's likely the storyline will tie off. However they'll go back to it at some point in the future of 40K
@@SandmanofTerra yea i just hope the do something big for the setting like returning valdor to the game or something to that scale and not have a important character die off without something big happening in return.
especially for valdor with so much build up even with the emperor saying hes important somehow but if dam abnet ties up the story and valdor just dies without achieving something big that will be very disappointing
@@YOGI-kb9tg Agreed
No way they kill off Valdor for no reason
There is some serious prophecy/Future sight around him
The Emperor thought he wad so important he moved all his armies across continents during the Unification wars just to look for him.. and the Unifcation wars were serious business, with Dark age weapons that the Emperor even banned his own Legions from using
So exactly what a contemporary GW would do, waste potential for a perceived short-term benefit.
@@adrienwatson2179 It's GW we are talking about, _of ccourse_ they would. Just look how they ended Warhammer Fantasy. Many beloved and established characters killed, so to say, off-screen or dying while behaving in ways they never would have. Then GW forgets that Gork&Mork are _two_ gods with _two_ prophets and simply forgets about one of them completely, ooops.
I would not be surprised if Valdor dies because he is stumbling over a rock and breaks his neck, in order to then release a new 'Warhammer 40K Chaos Rock' model that costs twice as much as its own weight in gold.
Probably my favorite lore channel at this point. I’m lucky to have gotten into this hobby at a time where the wheel appears to be turning again!
Thanks dude! And yeah it's an awesome time to be in the hobby!
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Majorkill for short vids with spicy content.
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@@thehermitman822 I will heck out that weshammer though ! Thanks for the recommendation
It would be great if they gave him a army to play in 40k and we got a 3rd human faction beyond Imperium Vs Chaos.
From the Bequin books we already know he has Astartes with natural wings. As well as a clone army of Pariahs. As well as golden ships that sound like Custodes in spaceship form.
There's actually some debate about which of The Emperor's legs is cramping... Some believe it's the left and some are in the right leg camp and some whisper in secret it's actually Both legs!
I heard he's got a bad itch on his nuts
Numerous worlds have been destroyed by the inquisition over the war this caused
Anybody else wondering about the effect of the mechanicus worshipping the omnisiah which is both the void dragon and the emperor will have on the relationship since psychic energy on a massive scale can have a huge effect on the warp
C'tan have no imprint on the warp
The result might not have an effect on the actual void dragon but could result in a new entity of sorts a mechanicus demon/minor warp god
An „order“ version of vashtorr if you will as manifestation of the mechanicus beliefs
After watching amber kings channel and the : who is Constantine Valdor? Video. The possibilities of this have my mind racing
It's a very exciting time!
@@SandmanofTerra indeed brother
'Primarch of The Ten Thousand' kind of has a badass ring to it if it was true.
Valdor, the King in Yellow best line in the book is when he says to Bequin... "Don't eat yellow snow"
I can already see what's going to happen. Valdor finally secures the name but in doing so outs himself publicly as the king in yellow. The inquisition brands him a traitor and sends the might of the imperium against him. He sieges the palace on Terra, is mortally wounded by his brother custodes at the foot of the golden throne, and with his last words he speaks in Enuncia:
", Master of Mankind... rise."
He might also be trying to revive or clone sanguinious, the winged blood angels being inferior clones.
sounds to me that valdor is simply making the mother of all bloodgames
Would he be creating a strike force to stabilize the webway? Maybe close it up with cooperation between Cawl and Eldar, allowing Big E to regenerate, potentially also creating a different astronomicon copying the Pharos?
I’m probably confused about it all, as it’s 3am and my brain is scrambled 😂
I think it’d be really cool if he turned to seemingly attack the imperium with his forces and makes his way to terra, could even have some things where it gets tragic since he has to cut down some custodes, and he gets to the throne room, and it turns out (be it something we knew already or just learn at that moment) he was trying to awaken and revive the emperor with his true name, and thus had to be in person or something, and it could have a really cool scene with Valdor standing before the emperor, stretching his arms out and saying
“NOW, AWAKEN, JIMMY SPACE(or whatever else the emperors name is)” and it being followed by a burst of power, either that or he gets there in some other way, possibly if terra gets attacked again like when guilliman cam back, and he could come in to save them and as all seems lost he does the thing and the power surge could banish all the demons, IDK I just think it’d be a cool scene
I’ve always wanted blood angels with wings and an obsec unit that has jetpacks so if they added those into blood angels I think I would cry of joy
Would be epic
Great stuff and Valdor is right there with the Lion and Khan behind Sanguinius as my favorites. So cool and hope Dan Abnett shows the power of Valdor and how he uses Enuncia to put the hurt out besides his physical power.
Tyranid player: * places 300 models onto the table. *
His Custodes player opponent: * places three models onto the table * "My body is ready."
bro you did a really good job at explaining things
Thanks man!
@@SandmanofTerra welcome
Since you reference books, do you have a reading list that would introduce and better solidify the knowledge of these characters?
I've loved the 40K universe for years and am just now deep diving into the books, characters & stories.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Eisenhorn is a great starting point just generally for 40K reading imo! Those books are just great sci crime thrillers. After the Eisenhorn trilogy, you have tthe Ravenor trilogy and then you're into Bequin, where the truly crazy stuff happens!
If you want to learn more from there, Valdor: Birth of the Imperium is a great stand alone book and then you're onto the Horus heresy pretty much. Which I do recommend it's just very long! You can skip to Master of Mankind if you'd like, it would mostly make sense even still (there are some parts of that book that are unbelievably epic), but there would be a few things you may be missing context for.
It's great to see these long videos on lore appearing now. Keep it up m8!
Thanks very much!
@@SandmanofTerra no problem! I guess you could say, given you're called sandman that this is quite the dream come true for the channel! (Yes the joke is bad lol)
Just a thought: I would love to see Jaq Draco, Meh'lindi, Captain d'Arquebus, and Grimm "collected" by The King in Yellow. That would be an epic precursor to an apocalyptic grim dark war!
My guy! Another second edition soldier?!
Inquisition war trilogy, space marine (Lex's Necromunda back story), deathwing, O.G G.W epicness!
Abnett is awesome, Watson is the G.O.A.T.
Would be awesome for him to be Valdor, and knowing the influence Alpharius' first meeting had he could pull off this. After all, he instituted the Blood Games after Alpharius infiltrated the Palace, wouldn't be so far fetched to see him go the extra mile
He’s definitely preparing to retake the webway. It says that bequin can see ships going off to fight chaos while she’s in the kings realm
It's unclear what part of the 41st Millennium the Isenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin stories taken place, but I think it's all before the fall of Cadia, so I wonder how this will shake out.
It is confirmed that it was the fall of Cadia, but the consequences of what happens in the books will have a vast impact on the storyline of 40k
But are we ever going to find out what happened to those missing ONE HUNDRED BANEBLADES!?
I'm pretty sure The Emperor stretches every now and then but the Custodes can't say shit
As much as I'm dying to watch this, I'm midway through those books
Absolutely fair enough! Hope you enjoy them
New to the channel, great video, keep up the good work.
Thanks!
00:44 wtf, you aren't made out of sand? 🤯
I can assume many forms
Someone get this guy a nice camera. He deserves one.
Hahaha 😂 will add it to the Christmas list
@@SandmanofTerra hey dude, is this channel a part time thing for you?
@@bswtsp21 yeah, just for fun
@@SandmanofTerra that’s cool. I’m just barely getting into warhammer stuff. I have a buddy who is super into it, but I wanna know the lore stuff before I get into the tabletop stuff.
I've read all the books mentioned here and I have to say I am fairly convinced that Valdor is working some endgame scenario to rise up in support of the Emperor, but what form that will take and how he's been led to forming a huge secret organization that is using heretics and traitors is what I'm super interested in. I cannot wait for that last Bequin novel.
Me too!
They’re only heretics post Big E becoming a battery.
The Big E would work with anyone to achieve his goals.
Where do I find out about the Daemons in the webway that the emperor is fighting back?
As a lover of the lovecraftian mythos, and Hastur being my favorite eldritch God. I would honestly be willing to try plating 40k if I could use the army of the king in yellow.
I don't play the game but love the lore, hope it continues forward rather than just spinning its wheels with everything about to hit the fan but nothing comes from it.
If he or someone kills the emperor with that spear, I wonder what they will find out
Does an insane person/the source of insanity itself sound like the Emperor's greatest servant? Because that's what the King in Yellow alludes to as a literary reference.
Just a thought.
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I'm an Eldar xeno bro.
GW: * Does Guilliman and Valdor stuff *
I don't need it. . . I don't need it. . . . *I NEEEEED IIIIIT!*
Just give us the Bananageneral back!
My thoughts are that he's preparing to replace the Emperor upon the Throne, or to free him through death. Emps a perpetual still.
Who would power the throne?
Any psyker on the same level as pre deamonhood magnus the red.
Based on other lore suggesting the golden throne was specifically repurposed to be the emporers life support unit; and psykers in general; becoming more commonplace and more powerful over time
So as a completely off the wall theory, I like to think it's Dorn and that the book with his true name is a red herring. Part of this is me being a Dorn fan and wanting him to return and I know this is out in left field and definitely not going to be what actually happens. So assuming it is Valdor and he does return in some capacity I think he will be in opposition to the Imperium because of the whole worship of the emperor thing. It's also shown in a lot of books that the custodes don't really like the primarchs and think they were a mistake so he will probably not side with Bobby G. I for one can't wait for the third book, but am guessing it will be a while because Abnett has to finish the last two siege of terra books if they aren't done already.
It sounds cool, but I've read enough Dan Abnett to know he would never write a red herring like that
@@SandmanofTerra agreed, also Dorn has already returned as Tyberos the Red Wake so him being the Yellow King is impossible 🤣. That is an honest joke theory that I 100% hope GW runs with. I want Dorn to return but not 30k siege of terra Dorn. I want terrifying "I'm here to build walls and murder traitors, and I just ran out of bricks." Dorn.
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
Would love it if that has some connection
@@SandmanofTerra Oooo, yeah! Like an eerie place the emperor foreseen, hidden within the warp that the King of Yellow actually rules over or something.
@@SandmanofTerra His name would HAVE to be revealed as Hastur
Awesome!
What if Leman Russ and Valdor are together in the city of dust?
Could be, but no sign of it so far
Hypothesis:
Valdor is the greatest of the Sensei, the begotten children of the Emperor. Why else would Big E expend so many resources to recover him?
I’ve been learning about a lot of 40k lore through your channel (thanks for that, a lot less reading to fit in on my part). I’m absolutely fascinated by it and think you did it fair justice :)
Though I’m also a fan of Chamber’s ‘King in Yellow’, so slightly biased
Thanks so much!
I think the Sandman exists irl. He recently awoke from his stasis/dormancy. There are many variations of him getting about and spreading their ideas
Thanks for that spoiler warning. Backing out now, but I've enjoyed those books so far. Need to catch up and come back!
the king in yellow was a collection of short stories written by Robert W Chambers and published in 1895. the collection is spooky and interesting, and for some reason the title, "the king in yellow," keeps getting picked up and used by authors. It was also used in the first season of True Detective the HBO series
I am a fan of the idea, that the name-dropping of Valdor is a ruse to conceal the identity of the King in Yellow. I hope he will turn out to be the AURELIAN with yellow being the traditional heraldic substitute for gold
The King in Yellow?! Games Workshop might want to check their records to see if there were any negotiations with the Lovecraft estate for use of intellectual property.
Watch them sue the lovecraft stories 💀
@@sleepless9957 I can already see the court battle now -- Ruinous Powers representing Games Workshop v. The Great Old Ones representing the Lovecraft estate. Tzeentch would be GW's top lawyer against Cthulhu while Khorne would face off against Nyarlathotep or Dagon.
Hold on a fucking minute that’s copyright infringement the king in yellow is hastur from HP lovecraft mythos
Personally I think the king in yellow is secretly plotting against the emperor.
if it is valdor i highly doubt it hes a custodian and the second closest person to the emperor i doubt he is plotting anything malicious
Would certainly be the most interesting route!
@@YOGI-kb9tg Agreed
Impossible
Even Drach'nyen said "All the stars in the universe will die and fade before a golden one (Custodes) betrays their Father (The Emperor)
Even Valdor talks about it in a few books, they literally CANT betray the emperor
@@adrienwatson2179 Correct. It also strikes me as kind of absurd that the true name of the emperor is in a library of Chaos or in the Black Library. The Ruinous Powers absolutely hate and fear the Emperor, if they had such a weapon, they’d use it, immediately. The Harlequins are a little different, but again, it would be a very powerful bargaining chip to use against the Emperor, they’d use it.
What seems most likely is that Valdor is on a secret mission of some kind, whether given to him by the Emperor, or one he undertook on his own. It could be anything. Finding the tree, finding Primarchs, or even just holding back a threat until the Emperor’s plan comes to fruition.
Awesome video, first time viewer but it won’t be the last.
What if it’s actually Hastur?
If DA follows the literary tradition of the King in Yellow, then it's not a story that will ever be directly told, it's only ever referenced through other stories, also, traditionally, contact with the King in Yellow drives people insane, so there might not ever be a conclusion to this plot arc, just to drive 40K fans slightly mad.
😂 I love it. I will say though he has said it'll likely change 40K
Valdor is a god and will return the imperium back to its former glory. When the Emperor comes back so will Valdor
If the King in Yellow came, then even the gods of chaos would know fear
My headcanon is that Valdor is a Primarch without the special Warp sauce. He's so far above other Custodes and could probably defeat one of the lesser Primarchs in a fair fight. Lorgar pre power-up is getting beheaded. Maybe even same with Ferrus Manus tbh
If they do literally anything to advance the plot I will start buying the entire library GW
Fantastic job on this video bro 🙏
Thanks mate!
It’s worth noting the King In Yellow is also a very famous book. Which references a “city of dust”. I don’t know too much about the original per se, but I’d look into it
Yeah, GW has a habit of "borrowing" other ip at times 😂
With everything H.P. Lovecraft prepare for greatness but also rascism 😂
This is indeed quite insane can’t believe hardly anyone is talking about it. You might be able to even make 2 euros on this vid!
Ok, but what does this have to do with The King in Yellow, the short story collection 1895? Is there a fictional play that makes people go mad? The king in yellow is a staple in lovecraftian horror, this character is not named after him for nothing.
It's not entirely clear tbh, though knowing gw it'll have some cool relationship's. Perhaps there's a marble statue of Valdor that we'll meet?
Maybe Valdor has played with some warp powers? Maybe he is trying to reach his own aphoteosis to aid his father? Who knows?
VALDOR!
he was treated like shit by primarchs, let him own!
Constantin Valdor, the most loyal guardian of The Emperor. He would and could do anything at all for The Master of Mankind, including things that would be considered heresy or things that would bring ruin to humanity.
Leman Russ, the most loyal dog of the Emperor's and a very good boy. He will do Almost anything to safeguard and watch over mankind as a whole. He acts vicious and he is but like any dog, he's essentially perfectly moral and will always do what he feels is the right thing to do..
Hearing about the eyes of the emperor I’m just imagining like huge dudes in trench coats trying very hard to be inconspicuous and failing.
😂 they much crouch a lot
In the beginning you mentioned a triumvirate. We now have gulliman the lion, we are missing one more to create the triumvirate and that could easily be valdor
The emperor's name as to be in thr hands of the grey kights there grandmaster is protecting a book cant remember its name but its said to jold either the only thing that can save mankind or destroy it completely
The Terminus Decree, and it could be!
This story telling is almost biblical like the emperor being Jesus an Horus was Lucifer. Valdor is basically is archangel Michael😅
He can be the greatest servant of the emperor and at the same time the greatest enemy of the imperium.
The king can see the empire as a disgusting shadow of the dream of the emperor and he could want to destroy it to build it a new.
Soooooo... the Chaos Gods are Cthulu then 😛
When is the next episode in 40k coming out?
Who writes the cannon storyline & how quickly does the story progress?
The progress is too scattered to make sense for most people to get interested in.
A tv series or a movie would have been better at attracting new audiences.
😂 that's fair, and there's a big focus on the Horus heresy (and I presume the scouring) at the moment understandably
The greatest enemy is the queen in yellow, aka female custodes retcon
You have a very satisfying voice! i see henry cavill in my head geeking out when i hear your voice
Ah thanks!
While unrelated I feel like the eyes of the emperor would be better used in leading a crusade against the xenos or traitors they're the best at what they do.
I think the Emperor planned the whole thing. It's a classic Messiah story, like Jesus. At some point, he realised the threats facing humanity is too great and he won't be able to win. He needs to become more than a man, he needs to become a god. The worship of him is no coincidence. It's fueling his birth as the next warp god. When he finally "dies", there will be a tremendous outpouring of worship and faith towards him and that'll be the catalyst for his ascension. Long live the omnissiah!
He is certainly not short on ego 😂
TheSandman40k…..the Emperors best scribe and Warhammer historian
What if custodes were astartes from the two unknown legions
Could be cool, but they are notably different from the Astartes underneath and actually predate them
Do you think Games Workshop is stealing from TTS?
Does the King in Yellow have his library card?
If it is Valdor, then he could be seeking the true name of the emperor in order to revive him. In many mythos where beings have a true name, the invocation of a true name can give the speaker absolute control over the being in any extent, including bringing them back from death or recovering from mortal injury. In Egyptian myth, Isis uses Ra's true name in order to heal him from a snake's incurable venom. (the snake was make by Isis using Ra's saliva, that's why it nothing else would work. Because Ra was the most powerful god, a snake made from some of his essence would be stronger than any medicine or healing spell.)
That's what I believe too!
Absolutely love your videos! I hope we see more long form videos like this from you
More to come!
Somewhere, Henry Cavill is preparing for this role.
We can only hope 😂
I was only half listening until you namedropped Valdor
"Adopted Primarch" XD
you did it justice!
Thanks mate!
Is it a coincidence that the King of Yellow is a name of an eldritch being in Lovecraftian lore?
We will see! Wouldn't surprise me if there's some cool connection
I fear this fantastic story line built up so much and "we" built it up even more with anticipation and theories that it will be a huge let down. Like being an Alpharius or similar chaos chicanery that will go nowhere. I hope to be wrong
My own head canon is that Valdor is actually a real child born from The Emperor and Erda. A child born out of love, and not scientific necessity. A child that they wanted to raise together to be the next of kin for the emperor.