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0:00 Malcador
1:00 The Dark King
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9:59 Ollanius Persson Confronts the Emperor
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@@illcomplywithguncontrolone6149Nope. Sounds made up, but keep going with that creativity. It sounds like you have a good story building.
Fantastic video brother, thank you!
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Thank you for your fantastic production!
I think the Emperor wasn't created by the shamans, like Cawl did with others, they bound their souls to the Emperor to be able to influence and steer him because as humans they couldn't. Creating what the Emperor is today, a multi souled being.
The Shard is the original Emperor and what remains is the compilation of multiple souls including Malcador and all those who sacrificed, unwittingly causing madness to him because all of the souls and their personalities are fracturing him and drove him insane. Malcador obviously knew that's what could happen but he only did it once and likely hoped that he would only need to do it once to revive him, he didn't anticipate they continue too do it if it failed.
Man when malcador said “yeah that bit of soul that the emperor amputated from himself is gonna grow on its own in the warp, kinda like a …. STAR CHILD” I was like dayumm
The Emperor is clearly a god that wants to be a man. Who tf cuts off a part of theeir emotions and creates a being of pure light and goodness by accident
@@maltheri9833 Truuu maybe that’s why he said “not yet” to cypher, maybe he plans to be reunited with that part of himself.
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I'm pretty sure the intended narrative is that the Emperor was originally a man who didn't want to be seen as a god.
I mean, we've seen what Shard's can become, the Emperor's was just infused with much more energy and contained all His positive emotions like Hope and Love, because He intentionally excised it meanwhile most Shard's fractured through extreme trauma.
The Emperor wasn't that powerful before His "Death", and even after it, He could hardly be called a God, more like a conduit for the Psychic Energies of Mankind, a god-like being surely, but no more a God than the Chaos Pantheon.
I think we can unpick what is going on with the emperor if we look at what has happened with him in the 40k timeline. We know he is becoming more active and was strong enough to burn nurlges garden. It's also suggested the is or is still becoming a god.
With that in mind I think severing himself from his emotions helps him to achieve apotheosis whithout falling victim to the dark king prophesy. Basically since the warp and the gods are manifestations of raw emotion, by severing that connection within himself he is no longer subject to the co conditions of the chaos gods, that being strength through mortal emotions. I think he is becoming a god of either logic and order, or just one of raw psychic might, perhaps the feeding of psychers into the astronomicon is not fuling it at all but rather feeding the emperor's power and apotheosis, in the same way the gods feed off Raw emotion he is feeding off the psychic potential, or like he did in his own birth, he is merging all psychers with himself and making an engorged Uber emperor, he could actually become humanity in the distant future when we become a fully psychic race. Kind of like the nids with the emperor being diffused through all of them or we all merge with him and we become the emperor incarnate as a race......very deep I know
@@LegoM12That could be since he grows in warp power as we speak.
If the emperor had to rid himself of compassion love and loyalty to fight horus does this not imply he does have love for his sons and did not view his sons as tools or at the very least did not view all of them as tools?
Malcador talks about this, he is very convinced that the Emperor originally planned for them to be tools, but grew to love them
I hold to the lore that the Emperor is a composite entity, and at times the various personalities come to the fore. Some of those personalities saw them as tools, some loved them as sons. @@SandmanofTerra
@@SandmanofTerraafter all, the emperor is only human
Malcador on the Throne in the book actually says that Big E 100% viewed the primarchs as tools and sacrificial pawns, originally. They were intended to basically be beasts of burden for his great work - part of his own power he could project outward to build the Imperium and sacrifice for him if need be. However, Malcador is also pretty convinced that Big E came to see them as more than that over time, though he never confirms this was DEFINITIVELY the case.
@@Scottoest but with him casting off these emotions to fight horus would it not imply that he does view them as son then?
“I was never a Son of Horus. I was and remain a Luna Wolf”
Thank you for allowing me to voice Loken Brother!
Thank you mate!
yo, glad you did a thing with the Sandman
Seriously, The Luna Wolves are easily my favorite 30k chapter in the setting. That color scheme, banner, and badge. Complete S Tier.
Really though, as bad as 30k and 40k are... The one dude who really got screwed over was Loken. Dude lost EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING. All his brothers, His Primarch, His friends. Legions turning on Legions, His own legion turning traitor to the Emperor. He saw it all play out first hand. His entire world got flipped on him. I haven't read the Siege of Terra books but I do remember reading somewhere that after he's pulled out of the rubble after however many years he's kind of "not all there" in a way. I mean hell, That makes perfect sense. Think of everything the dudes seen?
@@NickC84 the last and final book of the siege of Terra will be an interesting read. Have you read it already? If not I recommend it
"Better to fight and die as men, than become demons ourselves." Says the epitome of human badassery. 🦅
An absolutely epic line, from the most badass character save Saul Tarvitz, Nathaniel Garro and Siggy to ever grace the Imerium of Mankind. One that even convinced a power as ludicrous as Big Daddy E to heed such sage advice...
Why not become demon and turn your new powers aganist Chaos itself?
Become doomguy in hell like Khaldor Draigo.
@@trynox4fun259 fail
The emperor agreeing made me so proud of him, as a grey knight player.
So back when I worked in GW in 1998, I remember chatting to Andy and he told me that the plan always was that the Emperoror was a 5th Chaos god, Order. As Chaos cannot survive without Order and the other way around.
So you can have a very weakened chaos, which happens with the rise of the emperor. As he becomes more powerful and start dominating the stars, Chaos grows to counter him. So now we are in the flipp, where chaos is more powerful which means order will rise again to counter that in an ouroboros
There must be a balance
Well, back then it may have been closer to its Moorcockian roots, but how a chaos god can be order leaves me questioning this, it doesnt entirely make sense to me
I mean technically him being a god in the warp doesn't make him chaos. So maybe better to say warp god?
@@dorianleakeyPotato Tomato - Warp God is the term I think that should be used now days.
Is chaos strong though? When was the last time chaos even made a dent in the imperium's forces (not even mentioning failbaddon the armless)?
I am so excited. Next book the Emperor will finally say the line!
"You did it, you defeated me Horus Lupercal. You really are the Warhammer Forty-thousand"
That's the moment Walter Lupercal became Horusberg. Bravo Vince.
The real Warhammer was the friends we killed along the way.
Well the Big E might be a god in 40k now, but not the Dark King the chaos gods were hoping for.
Isn't there a reference to a potential 5th Chaos God known as Malice? Now that is the king we deserve!
COPE
DOPE
@@pureraven101The Sons of Malice got mentioned in Gothic Armada 2, which is a official licensed wh40k game.
@@pureraven101That's super old lore that got caught up in litigation between GW and the guy who supposedly created Malus. Officially Malus isn't a thing in 40k, though the Sons of Malice are still a Chaos warband.
Video about the 5th Chaos God;
Malal: "Finally my time has come!"
It's the Emperor;
Malal: "FOILED AGAIN!"
The Emperor is definitely going end up being to be a full fledged warp god but NOT a Chaos god Chaos is a flavor of warp entity. Its like how the Eldar gods aren't Chaos gods nor are Gork and Mork. On top of all that the emperor being too stubborn to accept his divinity and costing Man to lose 10k years of our existence to his stubbornness is about the most 40k thing GW will have done in quite some time
Im glad now its debunked that he wants to be a god. Him stopping Cipher in the 42nd millenium and rescinding in the 30th shows that being a warp entity is something he absolutely refuses to do. He doesnt wsnt to destroy humanity in exchange for power or ascension. Hed rather suffer the same pain as Malcador and worse for 12k years and more
COPE
How did the Emperor cost them anything by denying Divinity? He was never a God, not then, not now, and while He could have become something like one, it literally would have destroyed Mankind to do so.
Before Molech He wasn't even that powerful, more relative to beings like Eldrad, after it He still wasn't anything compared to the Chaos "God's", as has been shown, but should also have been expected (if He was a godlike entity before that He would have just directly opposed the Chaos Gods like He has done in recent lore by burning Nurgle's Garden).
The thing is that there are no God's in 40K, there are entities with god-like power, but ALL of them were in some way created by the Mortal Races through their own actions, not the other way around.
If the Emperor had accepted what He eventually discarded, the entirety of Mankind would have suffered to birth yet another hyperdimensional parasite that simply existed to mimic and consume sentience at a fundamental level. The Emperor would have the benefit of perhaps still being sentient due to His origin as a biological being instead of a purely metaphysical one, but He might also very well have ended up a slave to His own being like the Chaos God's are (they are fundamentally incapable of putting their own interests aside momentarily to achieve more, they are defined by the fact that they mimic sentient beings and feed off of their emotions, and want to feed even if it kills them).
The Emperor knew better than anyone that He was no God, and denying that had nothing to do with His downfall, and that of the Imperium. That was actually all about His inability to show some basic humanity towards His Son's despite loving them. That itself was a product of the power He held and the conditions He instituted upon Himself. Accepting being the figurehead of a Galaxy spanning religion wouldn't make that better lol.
I also don't think He's going to be a God in the end, that's not the plan everyone is striving for, if anything He might simply have accumulated enough power to somehow enact a plan to either sever Himself and the Entities of Chaos from the Materium, or to somehow destroy them all and return the Warp to a less tumultuous state.
Also the Eldar God's and Gork and Mork were basically Warp Based Weapon's Platforms built by the Old One's, they just got called "God's" by the Aeldari and Krok/Orkz. They aren't anymore a God than the C'Tan.
@@Troupe_Master Chaos is a subset of the warp, which itself is an infinite dimension that encompasses the entire universe and all other realities. It's just a really shitty neighbourhood that loves harassing the milkyway galaxy.
Abbadon going to face Valdor? That sounds like he's really trying his luck
Yeah I don't rate Abaddon's chances here 😂
Abby is going to get his heretical cheeks clapped if he does.
Then in 40K the King in Yellow goes: "Time for round 2, bitch" on him
@@SandmanofTerraHes gonna need a Deus Ex Machina to survive that one
Man’s really just wanted to die.
Big E getting caught in a catch 22. Lose to Horus and humanity falls, or take the power himself and humanity falls.
Guilliman's encounter with the Emperor after his return leaves him apparently doubting just who and what his father is. If a Primarch doesn't know what the Emperor has become then that's a cause for concern.
He was pretty... split at that moment. He reappears later with much more of his sanity.
Ollanius might return in 40k with what has occurred, maybe with some time dilation or not. But I believe him and the others being back in top condition might herald their involvement in the plan, not just the tread
That would be awesome, the Emperor does say that he has a place for Oll in his new Imperium
Would be so cool!
Ollanius has lived up to his sainthood beyond what I imagined with his actions. I would love if he somehow was able to continue his story. Given the way 40k works he is too good to live…
Ollanius bringing back the Catheric faith
@@tuff9486 ollanius when coming to the imperium with a catheric army: who is ready for the 10th crusade the take back the holy land... I mean fight the devil... eh i mean chaos and tyranids.
inquisition: heritic ?
the lion and guiliman : oh why the hell not can't be worse than the imperium in his current state
It's funny in "If the Emperor had Text-to-Speech," the Starchild his his compassion, and such which he excised. Did TTS predict canon?
TTS is the only canon I care for.
Too bad GW allied with Choas.
This is very old lore
@@RomeTWguy I know the starchild is old, and oft forgotten lore, but I don't recall that being an explanation for it.
But then again I'm not a big lore expert.
Just finished the book, it was great, I loved it. The Emperor is the most awesome character ever, his entire life and all his power dedicated to the species.
You know, I'm really starting to root for the old guy
You are on some strong Copium 😂😂 he is a chaos god and Horus was right since the beginning
@@Troupe_Master well, he's prophesied to be but he don't want to, so he cast off his divinity and try his best to be a man and guide humanity where one day, humanity will not dependent on the warp. But in the end, it all ends tragically as the emperor, through his sacrifice, trying to be a man once more but in the current setting, he is worshipped as a God because of the sacrifice
you should read the book and the lore, not read forums or watch certain youtubers who delve into conspiracy theories :), Sandman and Amber king are my favorites to watch and they stick to the lore imo @@Troupe_Master
which book
I think what I appreciate the most is how assertive you sound when speaking about the lore. It’s not so much casual discussion as other lore channels. You sound like a passionate scholar who could never be wrong.
I honestly lost my shit with this book. It is so much fun
@@SandmanofTerra THEN TELL THE TITRLE FFS
i think he is talking about The End and the Death: Volume II by Dan Abnett@@dronel1637
Got my book yesterday and have binged it in one sitting. One thing I got to say after reading the whole thing is - yo, fuck Erebus.
Holy hell, they're weaving in all the existing older lore into one thing so WELL...
Can't wait for Vol. 3, because we are almost certainly going to get a chapter from Malcador's POV reacting to Big E's mortal wounding before he's interred on the throne
Im not emotionally ready
"Oh my King of Ages I'd burn a million times before being forced to see you so. Your light is fading,oh how i wish to have died before seeing this."
@@maltheri9833
I don't think Malcador would quite speak like that in his final hour, it would probably be much more emotional and a lot less of a subject, and more that he's lost his greatest friend, their entire plan is up in flames, and both Malcador and the Emperor will "die" before very long.
maybe he will see the "new plan" that the emperor mentions to Oll, I hope the Emperor manages to share it with Malcador before the end @@AveSicarius
He may said "Rogal, take out your goddamn halo, are you trying to plug someone's eye out of their socket?"
OK my mind is blown. That changes every single thing that I used to know about that final battle. You did a phenomenal job. Thanks for doing that, and I’ve got to figure out how to reconcile all this!
Very 'Berserk' vibes goihg on here, which i respect. The Emperor and Griffith share very similar characteristics, though Griffith succumbs to the Godhand where as the emperor rejects apotheosis.
Not everything is Berserk ffs, you creatures...
@@CreepyHollow I said it's similar
I didn't hear Sanguinius say his final Black rage words either. (The "Why Horus, why have you done this!!" etc etc that Blood Angels say when they've been overwhelmed by the black rage)
So I wonder if it is in fact the Emperor that shouts those final words in a psychic scream. Causing the blood angels to have the Black rage curse/flaw.
Or will Sanguinius rise up from the dead/near death in a black rage himself, screaming those words to help defeat Horus in the final battle.
Vampires often dont undergo their tranformations untill they both ingest human blood and die their first death
yeah I think he will rise again when Emp and Horus make battle
I’ve only just recently got into 40k like a year and half ago and my goodness I wish I had always known about it cuz I can’t consume enough 40k lore, if I knew ppl who played the table top I’d definitely get into that too!!
Same here
Same but like 8 years ago for me and Ive been hooked ever since I got into it just before the lore started moving forward in 8th edition before 8th came out
I love how this storyline somewhat validates Curze, since he has forsight he may of known the Emperor was the "Dark King" and could see the potential future where the big E used so much warp energy they ascended, causing him to take on the monkier himself as a grim joke.
Somehow Curze is the batman, and the joker...
I really want a short story on Curze glimpsing the Dark King
Lorgar wanted the Emperor to embrace his godhood.
This could be Lorgar's end game to fulfill his wish of his Father embracing his divinity.
Fantastic video!
Also, the Erebus ear thing was hysterical. 😂
Omg, I've been waiting for this bro!. Thanks and keep up thr legendary work!!.
So. . . is that fragment of the Emperor's soul destroyed or there somewhere is a fragment of the Emperor soul that encases love, loyalty, and compassion?
It's probably cut off and out doing weird shit, like the shards of Magnus had been.
in canon the fragment of his compassion and love is called the starchild(at least its theorized)
@@alzo4565Malkador actually said it would grow almost like a *Starchild*. Its pretty confirmeed now
It's in the warp. Probably fueling imperial saints and all that stuff. Maybe having tea with Omegon.
iirc the book said he cut away "almost" all love and compassion, they would not say almost if there wasn't a bit left.
glad you did this one. my personal favorite 5th Chaos boss is still Malal/Malice. anyways cool stuff. never heard of the Dark King but I do remember that Emperor could have been the Anti-Chaos God of Order.
‘The opposite of chaos is not order, brother. It is stasis. Lifeless, unchanging… stasis.’ - Lorgar
Best book in the Heresy and Seige series so far. Amazing job Dan Abnett and the story just kept me going to finish it in 2 days.
your voice and choice of topics are very fast making you my favorite 40k lore channel.
I stumbled upon your channel, and I'm glad I did. You earned a sub from this video alone. I love the editing and voiceover! It fits the grimdark aesthetic nicely!
Please keep doing what you’re doing; I hope to see more of your content!
Awesome, thank you!
Lore like this only makes me want a 40k movie even more! Hope they don’t mess it up!
This would have to be a series to do it justice. Like Game of Thrones. No way you could capture the essence of Warhammer 40 K in a movie lasting 2 to 3 hours.
Be careful with what you wish for... there is no way hollybood wont screw it and end up being a woke shit
@@brorjace08 "woke shit" I swear that's the only thing you lot think about. It's like a mental virus.
@@deemerwm That's exactly what Henry Cavill is working on.
@@RichardStrong86 no kidding? Man I cannot wait to see that. Thank you for that info.
Well that is quite a story! Part 2 should be interesting
So this confirms that emperor wasn't holding back cause of his now non existent compassion, horus truly gave the Big E those injuries and if it wasn't for a lone guard and crack in Horus's armor, the emperor would have been consumed
Except the emperor one-shotted Horus with an immense psychic blast. It was an option for him at the start. Cutting off a part of himself to allow him to kill Horus without hestitation when it was needed (emphasis on this part) doesn't mean he'll try other means before that. I mean after all the Emperor *did* destroy Horus completely and totally.
@@RichardStrong86 ah no what video did you seriously just watch, emperor used every bit of his psychic when Horus was distracted, before then he was just getting mutilated
The horus fight is going to be covered in the next book, the emperor is still on his way
@@RomeTWguy to get his cheeks clapped only to be saved by The Plot
The Sanguinius fan theory would've been fun to see play out and would've made more sense, but even though it didn't happen, it'll be interesting to see how GW and Saint Abnett fill in the major plot holes in the eleventh hour of the heresy.
Great stuff like always, thanks Sandman!
My pleasure!
I really wonder if Ynnead's full resurrection can happens by churning to drench the rituals of awakening through overwhelming raw powers of The Warp at the cost of altering Ynnead's consciousness and habits, I think 40K's Warp and the proporsal of Deep Warp can crushes the status quo of both "Great Game" and the eventual release of C'tan and Materium/Realspace's powers, even to bring the powerplay against Tyranids Hivemind, although the limitations of Tabletop settings have prevent the powerscaling to get beyond the ties of Warhammer 40K's balances
Also if Vashtorr and even the sleeping Void Dragon can bridged into the completion of Dark King's presence, it could really warp the entire Sol System and alter how Astronomicon goes, with either enhancing Imperium Cult's powers at the cost of The Warp are sending Imperium citizens into frenzy and force-ascending it's citizens to become Warp entities aligned to Imperial Creed (at least depending on each planets' collective beliefs to formed its own anti-Chaos Egregores), or to shut down Terra's astronomicon and just bringing the good ol' resets which starves Chaos but destabilises Imperium to breakdown into pocket of much smaller interstellar empires of different human factions
There's a looot of precedence of complications yet also interesting world-shaking scenarios if The Dark King's prophecy can be tied to the existing actors that currently winning their goals by sacrificing different world systems in current 40K lore, but I don't know if the the writers would do such degrees of world-shaking scales on both political to existential level (and I'm talking about In-settings' Imperium politics and inter-sector/segmentum relations, not real life politics at all of course lol)
The Metaphysics of Warhammer 40K can even go further if they read the Cosmology of Buddhist Samsara, Judaism's Kabbalah and other systems altogether, ironically the only franchises outside of not just 40K and Western medias, but even in Eastern medias to go that far is games produced by Mihoyo (no I'm not kidding), although it would take coordination and management of writers into competent 10 years-long planning, it would be interesting if the White Scars will formed it's own demigod with dominion over White-Scars-run sectors to have somekind of Chinese Religions' Pantheons of Confucian-Taoist-Buddhist inspirations which might have relations to T'au's own auxiliary deity to combat Chaos and Tyranids' influences), or The Tallarn, Vostroyan, Maccabian Jannisaries, Krieg's corp and other Imperial planets, systems and segmentums have Imperial Cult-based warp entities subservient to Emperor's own central direction to form it's own Anti-Chaos counter of Imperial Daemons too with some caveats of grimdark akin to mass-brainwashing, similar amount of sacrifical souls to every summons or laid somekind of Warp-alteration to the terrains of realspace/Materium's planets which makes logistics of Imperium problematic and dangerous unless if they have Psykers' specialised to help them, it could fulfil the prophecies of Imperium's humans ascending to become psychic race all while leading to the actual "End Times", at the tangible physical and mental costs of both external factions and internal's structures of Imperium's foundations
Less is more.
Isnt the Emperor also described as a dark king in the Lion son of the forest, right before Lion gets the shield he sees the figure that is to be the emperor? Thanks for the video loved the clarification of what happened, I just finished reading it but your explanation filled out the whole picture. Cheers!
A frail king on a lake surrounded by circling predatory creatures. The idea of predators circling him in the warp is similiar to how Lhaerial described it in Beast Arises: Throneworld. "The Great Powers circled this place like razorshark waiting out the death throes of a void-whale."
In my headcannon the fifth Chaos God is already there. It's the accumulated fear experienced by all living creatures. Its latent power is far greater than all of the known Ruinous Powers put together, but because it's literally afraid of everything it keeps to itself in the deepest part of the Warp and spawns no daemons of its own. However, it is too afraid of the other Ruinous Power to even fight back when they steal power from it, and thus each of them is in a large way an aspect of this fifth god, in that each is in some way a response to fear: Khorne represents rage against the danger, Tzeentch represents the urge to control, Slaanesh is the wish to forget via pleasure, and Nurgle sorrow.
There is probably a 6th and 7th as well.
Korne is Wrath, rage incarnate.
Slaanesh is Lust, addiction to whatever gives them the most pleasure.
Tzeetch is Greed, wanting everything, be it knowledge, experience, or change. He is a very greedy god, trying to control Fate and all connected to it.
Nurgle is Sloth, slow, unmoving, uninterested in anything, lazy, slacking, with little effort put into anything.
Fear God would be Envy, so afraid of everything, that it envy's everyone and their power to not be afraid, but is too afraid to act and not be afraid, so it envies them all.
There would still need to be a Gluttony and Pride. The Emperor would certainly fit for Pride. Pride in himself, in his race, in his powers, and in his beliefs. He is so very full of pride, and pretty much is the most prideful character to exist in 40k, the leader of mankind, making his sons after himself, making himself the leader, giving himself all the power, and so on. Even after 'Death', he is so prideful, that he only grants powers to those who worship him more deeply than anyone else does.
The only thing left is Gluttony. And there are no beings that represent that, right?
.... Right?
WRONG!
I propose, the Hive Mind, the Tyranids, their ruler/leader, who has a MASSIVE presence in the Warp is the 7th God, God of Gluttony, the Great Devourer, he who wants to consume and eat all. Be that mortal or god, corruption or not, material or warp. He hungers, and everything else is food for is insatiable hunger.
You have one of the best voices for narrating ever.
I've had this theory about the emporer in the warp is not the same as the one on the throne for a while. That part seeks apotheosis while the other seeks to protect humanity from that very thing.
Erebus must have made a truely egregious comma splice to provoke John Grammaticus to stab him in the ear.
Great video. I’m completely new to your channel and goddamn do u have a great narration voice
Thanks so much man! Glad you enjoyed it
Hmm, so the Emperor severing a part of his soul explains both the Scar Child and the fact Guilleman barely recognized him when he went to see Big E on Terra. There was literally a part of him missing, and considering he now has godlike powers, probably amped by all the worship and psyker diet, it seems Emps is one technicality or a key event from becoming a full warp entity for Humanity
So that Star Child is fully canon now.
So, what you're saying that bit in TTS where tzeentch talks with Nurgle about how the emperor pokes some his eyes and how it was part of his plan to make the emperor of mankind ascend as the new chaos god was actually true?
Malal is the only 5th chaos God I acknowledge
You talk some serious heresy for someone in bolter range.
@@InhalingWeasel👍🏽
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Thank god that happened, I'm so glad. I was tired of the way people and stories made sanguinius OP than the rest of the primarchs. Finally all that weird fan made stuffs that sangy defeated horus has ended. Horus was literally like a god with 4 primordial chaos gods fuelling him power, he was that powerful as he supposed to be to fight against the emperor 😅
Especially since Sangy found demon Angron hell even before Angron he was dive bombing traitor forces left right and center. As much as I fw Sangy he can’t step to a Horus hyper juiced on the Chaos Koolaid
Horus still had to use his super chaos juice to beat Sangy even after he'd been fighting for weeks straight. Thats enough for me.
@@bluskyy84 exactly brother. One on one, no hax? Sanguinius fucks everyone up.
He fights greater daemons by the dozen. Rips apart daemon Prince Angron & holds the eternity gate by himself.
Guy is literally the greatest primarch ever.
Sangy still showed he was the best of the primarchs. After weeks of fighting nonstop and killing Angron and hundreds of Daemons he still whoops Horus' ass when he powers down to fight at his normal level. It's only when he's about to be killed that he uses his chaos hacks
The evershining glory of Sanguinius will always be with us.
Glad to hear the Remembrancer voice!
Honestly, I am more hyped for Abaddon vs Valdor in the next story. Constantine missed that fight, so something had to happen to make Valdor. Dark King will return, its confirmed now, the only question is who it is gonna be this time. Either Emperor again, or Abaddon the Warmaster. Eitherway. We have Justaerian Terminators led by Abaddon vs 34 Custodian companions led by Valdor. Shit is gonna go down.
Abaddon should have his shit kicked in if it was just an even fight, him vs Valdor. Valdors and his custodians are gonna have to be properly nerfed for Abaddon to stand a chance.
@@danpsyker6122 dunno. They are on Vengful spirit that is almost inside the warp now. Valdor started with an entire company of custodians, what could be anything from 50 to 100 custodians and is now down to 34 companions. Abaddon Just got back aboard with all terminators sons of Horus and word Bearers he could pull and there is endless stream of demons attacking Valdor and few hundred Space marines who went insane after seeing Horus divine form.
I will be square with you. Valdor will survive this, we know because he met Russ at Terra shortly after the siege ended. Every other custodian. I dont think so.
Valdor by every margin should beat Abaddon. I can see his 34 Custodians going down in a blaze of glory against the hundreds upon hundreds of Chaos Marines that are attacking them.
Remember in First Heretic…the Custodes were supposedly able to cut through Astartes like butter like they were genetically programmed how to exterminate them. Which makes sense if you remember Mt Ararat.
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So we're going with the Berserk Griffith Storyline lol. This actually makes a lot of sense and would be a nice dark twist.
Your voice and cadence, energy, etc make for an interesting listen.
Will Abbadon have a go at ascending to the dark king? His new rules are a bit OP.
Love your content mate it's amazing 👏👏👏
Thank you so much!
What I love about 40k despite all the retcons is how connected it all is. When rowboat girlyman was told he was a tool by the emperor not his son, it wasn't because he hated his son or never viewed him as a son, but simply because he was incapable of even feeling those emotions. I wonder if, his psyche was returned to him, would it still impact him in the same way as it would if he had it when he killed horus? Does the lack of its presence during the memory prevent him from feeling as traumatised by the act of killing his son or would it be the same? so many questions.
Garviel Loken, and Sigismund are my favorite Astartes and the siege of Terra books reinforces that for me
To see erebus stabbed in the ear really made the 765 pages worth it 😂
they really did pull a ancient gods part 2 on us with the end and the death volume 2. With all of us thinking Dark King was gonna be Horus not the Emperor.
Great video, can't wait to see the awakaning of the Dark King and what will happen next. I was just wondering where can I find the picture/GIF of the emperor at 8:30 and 9:00 ? Really want it as a wallpaper.
www.deviantart.com/d1sarmon1a/art/The-Revelation-942910432
Yeah. It’s compelling. I knew it was a supported interpretation that the Emperor was edging on Chaos Apotheosis. Maybe now more than ever. His flesh is almost gone.
Sandman, read 50k A Nightmare to Come, where the Emperor becomes a God of Law. Top notched quality.
I will check it out. Is that fanfic I take it?
@@SandmanofTerra It is fantastic, despite fanfics (and justly so) have a pretty doubious reputation, this one is magical in how it theorycrafts, how the setting of 40k would change after another 10k years, especially when you ready about parts with parts of the Imperium becoming derangedly fanatic and out of touch, and hipotetical ascension of the Emperor to the godhood, fueled by billions of Imperium citizens experiencing law, order and death on daily basis, so much so, it made a big imprint on the Warp itself, manifesting his presence.
The full name is The Shape Of The Nightmare To Come 50k and I believe it can be found on 1d4chan in around 30 meaty chapters, full of content, predictions and theories.
I would also like to mention, that the story has been created 13 years ago (was it 7th edition?) so the way the universe evolved is different from GW approach of recent stories, being this interesting fan made alternative to the current state of lore.
I binged the book on the day it came out lol so much to ask and talk about!!
Me too man! It was a biggun. lots to discuss in the coming weeks
@@SandmanofTerra so much to unpack its crazy, abadons confused "what" when erebus was talking about the emperor/star had me giggling
WHICH BOOK PLKEASE ANSWER IM LOSING MY MIND
@@dronel1637 the end and the death 1 and 2, second came out on 5th November
Erebus being injured in any fashion is ALWAYS relevant.
Kinda feels like the star child is the Ynnead to the dark king.
No wonder Constantines city is called the city on the edge of pandemonium if it sits in the inevitable city in the oblivion scar made by the emperors temporary divinity
Dumping more dirt on Malal's grave I see lmao
5:39 I need the big E to step up to be the 5th chaos god! Just as he planned
Dead wrong Sandman, there is one thing where all chaos gosd and even the inquisition are on the same side. in approving miniwargaming being a sponsor for a warhammer channel. :P
Nice to see that. Wish you all the best and keep them lore videos coming. :D
PS: everone like erebus getting hurt.
i was really waiting for this
So, my favorite character(Loken) became even more badass?
Oh when he stands up to lupercal I think he is about to become maybe the greatest character in 40k
now imagine big e becoming a god without sacrificing half humanity and be like like to other chaos gods " i am simply build better "
"THE SUN THAT SHINE THE MOST IS ALSO ONE WHO BURNS, INDEED, THE MOST" AS I HAVE SEEN IT ALL THE MOST
Hey wait a minute, doesn't this dark king remind anyone else of the drukhari's plans to clone the emperor with their own golden throne? A man born immortal born again? A clone of the emperor perhaps. He will ascend? The second golden throne has no ruler. He will reign with a crown of darkness? Doesn't the emperor have a crown of sorts? It seems like the king of darkness is set up to be the clone the drukhari plan to make?
Since Rylanor's last stand I have wanted to see the Thousand Sons assist the Imperium in some way. If The Dark King is fated then now would be a great time for Tzeentch to throw Magnus and his legion against him to help change the fate of the Imperium. GW still has their setting, and we get new lore!
pretty clean connection to the inevitable city and the king in yellows city of dust huh?
Banana King vs PLot Armor LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I think it's most accurate to describe The Emperor as the God of Tyrannical Order. He's the opposite of Chaos but is (in many ways) just as bad.
In Magic the Gathering there are several characters who are technically lawful good, but tyrannical in their approach so they are still evil. I suppose The Emperor might fit that same bill.
For the emperor! For he is the only one that stands between mankind and oblivion.
Thumbs up from your local Inquisitor!
@@SandmanofTerra I didn't expect GW to bring in the city of dust like that. This is so incredible I can't even describe it.
just one sentense: "FOR THE EMPEROR!" is enough for the entire book
Holy shit, I've come across the 'my name is byf' of the warhammer world
So, after watching all this, who is the next chaos god? If the master of mankind gave it up….. Who is it going to be now? Or is it still him? I’m confused.
Ngl when I first got into WarHammer40k I had this idea that the Emperor was in fact the Outsider reborn: and it’s moments like this that make me think I was into something.
The Outsider C'tan is fine and dandy in his Dyson sphere that the Tyranids avoid like an irradiated lump of boiling plutonium.
Thumbnail: The Forgotten God. Entirety of the Imperium: EXCUSE ME?!
To me, this basically confirms Emporers death and ascension into a warp deity in the near future for 40ks narrative
Dark king the chaos god that represents encroaching ruin am I right?
Pretty much
@@SandmanofTerraso basically a chaos god of destruction, ruin, death and potentially anarchy.
@@SandmanofTerraI put potentially anarchy because you cant disclose Malal/Malice because he represents chaos acting against itself. Or whatever that would mean.
@@kieran9541is malice still canon?
@@Trapsarentgay133well not completely since the rights of Malice didn't extend from the original to 40k. But still Malice represents Ravenous dissolution which is the warps/Chaos own chaotic and self destructive nature. Which is anarchy and basically what Malice actually means in the dictionary.
All Primarchs will return and have to work together at least the loyalist ones, maybe some traitor to. To stop the dark King and fragment him across the galaxy through space and time this also could lead to a shard of the dark king/emperor to return to his birth moment.
I hope they have Big E become the Dark King, that'd be so cool.
Just like the emperor said because casting off his godhood. "Death be damned! "
Move aside Malcador, agricultural servitor Graft is my favourite character now. And he is doing goods deeds indeed 🥲
Maybe the "Terminus Decree" is meant for the return of the Prophecy.
A rotting corpse on a golden throne.
I love the Emperor so much.
I think that part of him landed In. - of all people - Abaddon.
I've never been of the impression that the Emperor was anything other than the Chaos God of humanity.
The way the lore of God's is set up... There are many but only a few got to have dinner.
I was scared to death you'd say Slaanesh would approve of your sponsor and say "Thank you Adam and Eve for the sponsor"