New Savage 110: Does It Beat The Ruger American?
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(To backfire and any other viewers ) I think top loading is just “neat”. Recently looking for a range plinker in 223 that can top load and so far only came across the cz 600. So just asking if anyone knows of others
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Jim,
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@backfire
Will you adjust the trigger weight and test it again? I think if you turn it way down you will like that Acutrigger a lot more.
I bought a Savage 110 Tactical in 308,Developed a load with Hornady 150 gr. STT. It's shooting 1/4'' or less at 100yards.First thing I did was polished the bolt etc. Smooth as silk now. It is not one you would want to carry all day. It weighs 14lb.now.I was able to take two deer this season 240yards.No complaints ,just heavy as hell....
I have the same rifle, it is heavy…but shoots great. My bolt has improved over time, but still not Mauser smooth.
You have a Savage of any model, check the bore. About three years ago I purchased a Savage 110 Tactical in 308W, and I went through the necessary steps prior to range day. Range day came and completed back a home bore inspection with a Teslong bore scope, the barrel was a piece of crap - chattering through the bore, it is a barrel that should not have left the factory. Barrel replacement Criterion barrel.
I am 6'5" 230 and have hunted with what is todays standard of a heavy rifle my whole life. It doesn't bother me one bit! I'm not against lighter equipment but could care less about an extra few pounds on a budget rifle that shoots lights out!
I have the same gun. Shoots awesome. I'm going to try polishing the bolt. Good tip.
It is the sloppiness of the bolt and the movement up and down that is causing some feeding problems. PTG makes an aftermarket Savage bolt body that may improve the feeding issue. The same with my 110.
The infamous Savage 110 vs ..... There is a reason the 110 has been in production for so long, the oldest in current production. Savage makes rifles that just shoot extremely well!! They are not a Ferrari but a Mustang! They are cost effective and worth every penny spent! They are not butter smooth but a little rough but who needs smooth when your lights are out ;)
This is what I wanted to say. Savage 110 is the original MOA accuracy capable budget priced rifle.
@@Andrew-jm4tp Not anymore. It's been unseated by Ruger Amer Gen II as well as CVA rifles.
@@mohsenraghian210yeaaaah so I work in a gun shop and mess with all of these guys and I'm just not seeing it. The Ruger action is stiffer and has a scratchyness to it. We have ruger Americans just sitting in limbo. People are buying up the 110s or they are buying up Begaras and Brownings if they have more money. That's what I'm personally seeing at my gun shop. We sell Savages at a 5 or 6 to 1 ratio of the Ruger Americans. The other hard sells for us are Ruger Mini 14s and 30s. People pass them right by for the AKs and ARs. GP100s get passed over for S&W and Colts too. We do sell a few PC Carbines, Wranglers, and LCR/Xs though. We also once in a blue moon sell 10/22s too. But most people are sticking other options these days.
At .40 seconds Quote: We still have a lot of very SAFE water jugs from a couple of videos ago. Oh my goodness that was funny!!!! Will be laughing about that the rest of the evening.
Yeah that dude was horrendous. Send me out with my 7 rum and I'll do 5x as good as him lop
@@sergeantdwz5783
I wondered if a 12 gauge slug could perform the same hit count? 🤔😅
Joke was savage 😂
Damn that one went over my head, nice catch. The marine was a good sport, and admittedly a far better marksman than I am, but I’m not flying out to shoot 100/100 any time soon hahaha
This rifle has been on my radar for several months now, I’ve seen them for as cheap as 465 in 6.5prc, glad to see the review 👍
I do like the weight. Heavier the barrel, the better to me 👍👍.
I like weight too but I bench shoot. I'm no hunter.
Every one wants a light rig I say do some curls and push ups. Lol. I doubt most people are doing a 14 mile 4 thousand foot elevation gain hike to hunt a sheep.
I like it too! Cerakote,good stock,threaded barrel. A lot more rifle for your money . I bought one for $466 in 7PRC. It’s accurate too. I got .7 moa off the hood of a pickup truck.
That's a good looking bipod you have there, haha! It was an awesome experience getting to shoot with ya and getting a sneak peek behind the scenes. Thanks again, and keep up the great content!
My Savage 110 270 loves Federal Vital shock 130s a tack driver. My 110 Timberline 7mm love Hornady 168 ELDx. Both have zero issues feeding, I my self have zero issue with bolt release. Once you've done it couple times and no brainer. I didn't have any issue finding rail for my Timberline issue was choosing maker. As far as trigger once adjusted at break is crisp and done. Love the Accure trigger. I passed on Ruger as it didn't fit me as well. Love your videos BTW.
Exactly my experience with that rifle, one hand presses the trigger, manipulates the release and supports the rifle while removing the bolt
The feeding hitch that a LOT of savages have is the case head hanging up on the ejector. Some have had luck polishing/radiusing the face of the ejector. But it will also smooth out the more you shoot it.
I was just about ask about a solution to that very thing! Thanks for the tip!
I've been taking elk, deer, and antelope for 30+ years. With a very budget savage 110, 7mm mag. I did get rid of that old savage trigger and Bushnell scope. I replaced them with a timney trigger and nikon 3x9. I t always shoots sub moa on sight in. Closer to .5 than 1.0. I have other calibers and more expensive rifles. But I always seem to grab this one.
So informative! Keep up the good work! Your reviews are my absolute favorite.
Great review. I really like the audio feedback firing from shooter position and point of impact. Great job
Great honest review!
I just picked up a Savage 110 VSX HUNTER XP in .243. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet though. I've had two other 110's before chambered in .243 and 7mm Rem Mag and they were both tack drivers. You can adjust the trigger on those and once you adjust then they are great.
My howa did this exact same thing on the pull and push of the bolt. When I pulled the brass out, it had some scratches down the side. I just wrapped some 2000 grit sand paper around an empty case and slid it into the chamber a couple of times, until the burr was gone. Might be the issue with this rifle, although 7PRC has a pretty steep neck, so that might be the problem too.
My experience with my savage 110, the cartridge started off by getting a little bit caught up as you are experiencing... However, after several dozen rounds, I noticed that this issue was happening less and less. Eventually it became a lot more smooth of an action. I imagine the surfaces that are in contact with other surfaces are being broken in
6:21 I love my Savage rifles. I own several, including there high-end models. EVERYONE of them has the same feeding issue. You have to modify the ejector to get them to stop sticking when feeding the next round.
Just get a 35$ bolt lift kit
@@MrJayBlackwindI would have to get one for each gun. I fix the problem for free. It only takes about 20 min.
@papaswooodshop
What is it that you do?
@@sethboyce9832 File just a very little bit of the ejector off at about about a 45 degree. File the edge of the ejector the faces the brass. Be careful not to take to much off. You should disassemble the bolt so you don't risk damaging the bolt face.
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My 110 predator in 6.5 CM hangs up just like that. Sent it back to Savage and it came back doing the same thing. Bought a Bergara b-14 HMR and Ridge and haven’t looked back since.
Thanks for the great info
I have the Savage 110 Ultralight in 6.5PRC with the carbon wrapped proof barrel. Arken EP-5 and I had to buy a mount so I bought the EGW 20 degree mount. I haven’t had any feeding issues and the action is smooth as silk with the fluted bolt. I get .6” groups with the Hornady 143 hunting ELDX and the match .7” not exceptional but good. Hand loads are in the .2-.7” range but it sure doesn’t like H1000 powder!
Savage accurate out of the box. I love them.
Great video as always Jim, I am looking forward to seeing someone who can take up the gauntlet and complete that shooting challenge from a couple of videos ago.
Would love to see a review on the cva cascade. Thanks for all the great info!
If you go through his videos I think backfire did one on the cascade
I put a Athlon Argos HMR with Athlon rings on my Savage 110 Apex Hunter 7PRC with the factory rail and everything seemed to fit just perfect
My savage 10LF 308 literally shoots 1 hole 5 shot groups. I have saved targets as proof of 5 30cal holes that completely get covered with a dime.
Doubt it.
@@dvskane1808why
That’s amazing accuracy. I don’t own a rifle that can come close. Hang on to that one.
Another great video !! I have this rifle and I love it !!!
Was having a bad day till this vid popped up. I appreciate the great content
Thank you. Well done.
OK ,I finally subbed. You won me over. Great content!
I'm with you on this one much like always. Thank you
Thank you for the info 👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍
Utah weather is crazy, warm one day and cold the next
Great video 👍
Looks like a lot of gun for the money. Savage rifles are shooters I've owned several. At least this model has the top bolt release instead of the bottom bolt release in front of the trigger guard. Timney triggers for the pre accutrigger savage have a provision for an adjjustable overtravel stop whereas the accutrigger savages (and the Timney accutrigger replacement) do not have an overtravel stop. Since this model has a top bolt release you can use the old style pre accutrigger Timney trigger, which is by far the best trigger I've used in a savage. Absolute night and day difference.
First off, i love your channel!! This is a great review, All of my rifles are savage except for one Howa. New out of the box the bolt lugs and receiver need to be worked on with some laping compound...... Try it and see if it helps feeding. My 110 308 feeds like butter but its circa late 70s.
By the way ,my worst group out of ally savage rifles is .78. I own 6 of them. My best is .20, my savage precision is consistent at.23. The rifle probably is capable of better but I'm not lol.
I've been hunting with the Savage 110 Ultralite 300wsm and love it. To your point about weight though, adding a suppressor and getting some frontend weight did help my accuracy with the rifle; another notable thing- like you, I had issues with nosler ammo not cycling, switched to federal terminal accent, and haven't had an issue. Savage makes some great rifles for the hunter with a reasonable budget
If you think this is a ruger american killer you are not old enough. Savage was the leader for economical guns for a long time and inspiration for the ruger american
Great video's - greetings from South Africa
if a budget rifle won't shoot well with budget ammo it's not worth buying. if it don't shoot decent with rem core-lokt or federal blue box then it ain't a budget oriented rifle.
All our savages have had feeding problems we had to fix them also a bolt kit and trigger kit help so much
What type of bolt kit and what type of trigger kit? I could write a book about problems with Savage. Would be interested to know what your fix was.
M- carbo trigger kit and desh industry did the bolt kit worth every penny both are amazing highly recommended
I have a 110 apex hunter in 300 win mag. Comes with a scope rail, fluted threaded barrel, savage stock. I added a sig whiskey 5-20 and a southern precision brake, shoots moa or sub moa all day off a sand bag. Ive never had an issue with the push feed, just cycle the bolt with some authority.
Great review. I own Ruger's and Savage rifles and am happy with both. They are budget and shoot well especially when handloading for them. I do prefer a heavier contoured barrel compared to skinny barrels. There is a lot to be said on barrel flex. Skinnier barrels are more finnicky and groups can be more erratic being much larger when things are not just right. I do have a real skinny barrel in a Mossberg Predator, and it is very erratic and finnicky. It can shoot real tight groups if the tolerances are super tight, and the load is right so long as you don't get the barrel hot. But I bought it for a light hunting rifle and that is not a problem. It is the nature of the beast. It's not a bench gun.
I have a Savage model 12 VLP in .223. with the accutrigger set at 2lbs. I love the gun, built some handloads and it's a tack driver. Wouldn't want to carry it very far, with the scope and bipod it's over 13.5lbs
I had the same scope mount problem with a long action savage 110 had to buy reverse mounts to make the spacing right for the scope
bought the new savage 110 in 7mm PRC, had the same problem with fitting a scope. Once i resolved the scoping issue i discovered another issue... after i fired a round the bolt would get "stuck" I couldn't get the bolt to eject the round lot of pressure the bolt finally released or if you let the barrel cool down. Once the barrel cooled down or you put enough pressure to eject the fired round the bolt action just fine. I was shooting Hornady 175 eldx. just recently sent it back to savage for them to give the gun a once over.
very valid review !
My friend when are u going to test the cva LRH ? When you went live I noticed a lot of request
love the Arken scopes
I'm thinking a warmer day & a better trigger finger ( lower ) will help group size
I also bought one in 7 PRC. Same problems. Couldn’t get a scope to work. Had to buy a rail. Bought the wrong rail because of the screw change. I changed the trigger to a rifle basix. Adjusted 2 pounds very happy accuracy is very good. Like every savage I have. Haven’t bought a low tier gun in a while but I’m thoroughly pleased. I feel like I got more than what I paid for.
any chance you could link the rail that worked?
I’m using the Leupold Backcountry 20MOA scope base.
EGW for savage rails. They have both screw sizes available
I have also had problems mounting scopes on long rails. Sometimes I just file down the front lugs on a rail to get the scope bell to not hit the rail. OK, it may look a bit strange, but I don't care.
When comparing groups, most people use something like you mentioned, an average of 3 shot groups. The downside of this is that you need to make a lot of shots, and only the outer two bullet holes contribute to the measurement. There is another method called "radial standard deviation" which uses all shot holes and needs much fewer shots. Also it takes into account differences in the number of shots in the groups - if you have one target with 3 shot holes, and another with six shot holes, you can still compare between the two. Information about this method can be found from the booklet, "Statistical Measures of Accuracy for Riflemen and Missile Engineers" by Frank E. Grubbs
My 110 timberline 243win shoots 4 shots, 1 tiny hole, with 90gr eldx handloads. Mine feeds pretty dang good, but then again, they advertise the timberline as a blueprinted action. A little stiff on the bolt lift, but I'm gonna by the lighter striker spring to fix that . Ordered a grayboe Phoenix 2 stock. Can't wait till it shows up.
I recently bought this rifle in 7prc, brought it in to my local shop an mounted it with a vortex Venom 5-25x56 scope, didn’t have to change the rail out
Love the holster
i get the same feeding issue with my savage 110 Scout with Pmag.. found the chamber was not finished.. full of massive ridges.. once some work was done there it worked better.. then its just a matter of wearing in the spring in the mag a bit..
I have the same problem with my b14 have to lighten the trigger now its half moa or better with core lock tiped
The bolt catches at the back of the gun where the bolt slides over the rear of the reciver right by the saftey. I have had several 110s and have 2 right now and both do that same thing with the bolt
I finally got my trail hunter in 7mm-08 to the range this week. I mentioned kind of the same problem with bolt closing. However I am going to have to resort my trail hunter! I absolutely made a rookie mistake by not paying attention and mis matching the rings to the base. Scope is not seated properly and moving with recoil. Great review.
Great point regarding the name/weight Jim.
I did some advertising photography for Savage a few years ago and can tell you there’s a big disconnect with their marketing team and hunters/shooters. Savage is constantly producing rifles that are far heavier than they should be for the intended use.
EGW offers the Savage pic rails, you need to get a kit they offer that comes with the appropriate drill bit to drill out the mounting holes and a set of 8-40 screws......
Also Savage should address their feeding problems, it's ridiculous. They almost always shoot lights out, but they are basically single shots that store more rounds near by LOL
I have some rifles where the Federal Premium shoots the best. It was a welcome accuracy. It wasn’t like the rifle shot poorly with the other ammo, but the Federal Premium was just that much better.
I have thought about it a bit and I think the thicker barrel has a smaller deflection during the firing event. It’s a reduced whip scenario in my current theory.
I had a friend who has a 25-06 in this rifle. He couldn’t get it to group and asked me to see what I could do with it. It turned out that they had mounted the scope with a pair of Weaver rails. The front one was cantilevered over the opening for the action, which is large for the 30-06 cartridge length. I put a full pic rail on it and the rifle shot about a 1.25 MOA group with the ammo he supplied. He was very happy. My best group prior to the pic rail swap was about 4.5”!
I bought an Axis 2 in .25-06 for a beater and also ran into the 8-40 screw issue
I hac to order one from MidwayUsa.
It is your birthday. Love the Office reference 👍
Excellent review 👌👌👌👍👍👍
I’m on the fence about the 7prc but I was thinking of this rifle or the gen2 Ruger. I just with someone offered a round for it that wasn’t the eldx or loaded with the eldx. I know folks have had great success with the eldx in different calibers but I’ve had horrible results on deer with them. I know Remington brought out the CUT ammo but don’t know how I feel about an all copper round either. As usual love the video!
@backfire I would love for you to do a review on the savage 110 high country rifle, as a fellow hunter I've been eyeing it to add to my collection.
Like the review, wondering if you've ever shot the Savage Highcountry? I've seen several reviews, all very positive. Would like to see your opinion. Last I looked they didn't have the prc calibers. I was thinking of getting a 7.mm Rem.
I have a 7PRC Savage Timberline, Model 10 FCP SR in 308 and a Switchback in 6 ARC, they all do the sticking feed. Let pressure off and then it feeds. It sucks. All are accurate.
Great as always! Surely a sponser can send ya a hat and gloves!!
Lupold scope rails have the 8-40 screws
I love what you and guys like Who Tee Who do. However, I'd like to see some opinions and comparisons when it comes to shooting off hand. There's many times we don't get a chance to fire from prone or from a bench.
I would not take ANY advice from Hooty who. For someone who spends so much time around firearms and scopes, he doesn't seem to know as much as he should. Just watch him Boresight and Sight in a rifle---- It's PAINFUL!!!! Apparently does not listen to advice either. Likeable guy and most of the time, I like watching his videos. Not listening to him on firearm buying 5hough. YOU on the other hand are very knowledgeable and always GREAT TO WATCH.
The cva cascade xt is the ruger killer.
Doesn’t it cost significantly more?
Tikka t3
@@drakeslocum2564 I'd say $100 to $150 more. But the xt, like the savage doesn't come with a 1 piece pic rail. So you might have issues mounting a scope or have to buy a 1 piece pic rail.
@@drakeslocum2564 I think they run about 700. The gen2 rugers are pretty close.
Being left handed savage has always been good to me
When I’ve seen feeding issues similar to you but I believe this was caused by the rim of the case forcing under the extractor claw. Try running the bolt a bit harder to see if it straightens out your issues.
All that being said, I agree. My new ruger American in 6.5cm is excellent. Consistently shooting 143eldx and 140 eldm around 0.3moa with handloads. The 140 noslers aren’t as accurate but load development just started!
Had a browning a bolt with a heavy target barrel that I couldn’t personally shoot worth a crap. I found it to be a balance issue, with the butt end being way too light relative to the barrel end. With a Hogue stock and heavy barrel, I bet this rifle balances well.
My savage elite precision took about 100-150 rounds to smooth out all the imperfections in the barrel and really start shooting decently. The tool marks on savage barrels are rough
I have a couple of Savage rifles. My Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag has a great trigger. I also like Savage because they have 280 AI options.
18 years of age and up can now carry in sc pretty cool
Price point plays a big part to. Ruger american gen 2 is somewhere around $700 and the savage is around $500 depending on where your buying the rifle. Great review man!
Love my 110 acutrigger 6.5. I did clean out the the stock where it touched the barrel. Got a bit tighter. Im using the swiger bipod. Only had one mag jam trying to take a second on a yote. 18 decrease and numb, southerners dont do well in that temp so......?
@backfire, which pic rail did you end up getting? i just got in a 110 Trail Hunter in 270 WIN and bought a Monstrum rail but the screw holes don't line up.
I recently bought a savage 110 apex hunter in 300 win mag and I got a .75 inch group with ppu 150gr soft point
I love the videos. Savage make a decent rifle!. My question regaurds aftermarket stocks. Have you ever tried a pure percision stock? Im thinking about one for a Tikka. The stock and new bottom metal are more then the stock rifle. Thoughts?
I love my 110.
But also, I’d love to get one of the Tikka RoughTec Embers.
A real review!
Jim, I have an old 222 that I was ready to throw away because shells would hang up just like the 7prc was doing. I learned that it simply needed to be run like a herd of prairie dogs was charging! I wonder if you were being a little bit too gentle?
Also love your videos
I recently purchased one of these, still deciding on which scope to mount, but FYI Savage must've heard your complaint regarding the rail because mine came with the full rail...
I know it expensive but it would be so awesome if you were able to use some Berger factory ammo in some of the guns you test because it could make a huge difference with some rifles.
Very small sample size… but the 2 savage rifles that I have shot also fed pretty rough and would occasionally lock up like that.
Good review! Nice to see you giving Whotee some good credit. Two good UA-camrs.
Keep up the good videos!!!
Not sure how the same old Savage challenges anything other than another Savage.
It challenges because it’s accurate the way it’s designed
It's at a lower price point than me most of the other 110 guns in the lineup. Much closer to the Ruger American in price.
@@404Matt oh really? I didn’t know that ! Does that mean the American is over priced for what it is because it’s competition is the savage axis
After owning a BMAG .17WSM its going to be tough to invest in another Savage.
From needing more than 40 MOA of elevation adjustment on the scope just to get it to zero on target, to the magazines themselves refusing to operate reliably without jamming. I had originally bought one used from someone that had the same issue with the scope - not enough adjustment in the scope to get on target. Couldn't get it working to sold it and bought a brand new one with the exact same issue.
Even a Vortex PST II with 70 MOA of adjustment was shooting almost 2 inches low at 100 yards with the scope elevation maxed out.
IMO the BMAG series is so bad it should never have left the shop.. and its put me off the Savage brand permanently.
Did you adjust the accu trigger that will help with trigger squeeze
Needs a backfire pad and a warm day with less wind. I would love to see that when the weather gets better.
The old Savage Stick. The rounds hang up 3/4 of the way in the chamber and you have release pressure on the bolt and then give it the final shove. Hated that about my Savages, which is why I buy Tikkas now
Jim,
Have you tried out your new Savage 30-06 yet?
Jt
I'm waiting for the Sig Cross/Sawtooth in 7mm PRC supposedly coming out in May. Not the same class as the Savage 110 or Ruger Predator, but waiting anyway.
Did you adjust the trigger at all? Or just take it straight out to shoot?