Can you imagine if another genre did this, 'for theatrical effect'? Horror film: creepy dry ice fog billows over fields. Dark man enters renovated Victorian home, creepy dry ice fog billows out of his hat and coat. He settles in, creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his cupboards as he prepares a solitary dinner. Night closes in. He readies himself for bed, creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his bathroom cabinet as he brushes his teeth. Creepy dry ice fog billows out of the toilet behind him. Creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his bed as he slumbers. The next morning, creepy dry ice fog billows out of his agitated alarm clock...
as someone who has worked in libraries and seen the trends towards off-site storage, digitization and automatic retrieval, this seems like a very unrealistic and inefficient future library.
Oh, yes, I remember!!! In fact, it is one of my favourite TNG moments. Picard states that he is looking for Spock. The music rises, Spock walks into the light, and his unmistakable voice says, "Indeed, Captain Picard, you have found him." No explosion, no pew pew, no lens flares, yet it is one of the most memorable scenes ever in Star Trek.
The internal shots of the library look like they were filmed at robarts library, at University of Toronto. The building is built in the brutalist architectural style. Basically one giant ugly hunk of concrete
My only hope is that the VFX people were paid well. Usually they aren't but as garbage as STD is, the visual effects are pretty good! Stupid and not Star Trek but that's not the artists fault. That's probably the ONLY good thing I can say about any New Trek stuff, the visuals are pretty good. lol
You hit the nail on the head. Exactly what I was thinking watching this. Such a waste on beautiful special effects for horrible storytelling & like many others have said. I've always given props to the visuals. Except the stupid detached nacelles on the ships & very inaccurate ship interiors!
Couldn't agree more. However (unpopular opinion imminent), I thought that the post production in general, vfx included, were utter CRAP. I wasn't even going to watch season 5 but Pluto TV ran the first episode of the season for a bit so I happened upon whatever desert-looking scene had supercap mary sue & co zipping along on antigrav speeders and knew INSTANTLY that I was looking at one the worst examples of digital compositing over a CLEARY UNREAL ENGINE GENERATED landscape. Maybe I've spent too much time in UE. Still... UTTER. CRAP.
I swear, if I ever get the opportunity to do a remake/adaptation of a sci-fi property, I’m going to take a ship that was clearly and canonically meant for atmospheric flight, and have it burn up and break apart when someone thoughtlessly tries to take it into the upper atmosphere of a planet. Just out of pure spite.
This whole yellow pad mystery is probably just a silly little sideshow unless: Glasses guy is a time traveller, maybe Gary Seven, maybe Future Guy from ENT or maybe The Guardian of Forever (or whatever) Who really cares at this point?
@@scockery Maybe in the last scene of this dreadful series we'll see Cronenberg, playing himself, wake up in a cold sweat and exclaim that he just had a horrible nightmare where he was trapped in a cheesy version of Star Trek. Why not?
Those cheap pads of paper would have had to have been stored in a controlled environment not exposed to oxygen sunlight etc. They decompose pretty quickly. Why wouldn't he just replicate it?
Honestly visually impressive and well executed. Props to the VFX and design crews. IDK if it makes a lot of sense in the startrek universe, but it sure is eye candy
last week i was like "this whole season is just one big search for clues with the occasional actionscene mixed in". this week they actually go to some library to find the next clue. i feel like im getting trolled
Also I need to rant here. Why is there a library of books? What does the test of Burnham admitting her fears have to do with a library of books? Isn't Burnham crying every single episode from seasons 1 through 4 also admitting a fear that she is going to lose something? Aren't all the characters of all Star Trek having fears of various things? Wasn't Burnham afraid of losing her mother in season 2? The great Michael Burnham. She is so great that she admits that she has fears of not being great. So what?
Major, you’ll have to do a Chronicles of Ridek edit against how this episode ended….also the Breen at the beginning…uh,… Peter Jackson, called, and he wants his Orcs back. ;)
Is that actually the place from the TOS episode or is it some magical nebula within the badlands’ plasma storms that nobody knew about until now? Either way it’s peak discovery. Form over function, etc. You gotta love JL’s reaction at the end 😂
21st century legal pad? I'm certain paper still existed in the 23rd century. Why so specific? And how did it last so long in such prestigious condition? (Betcha it was replicated and someone lied to him.)
Talking about "paperwork" for digital submissions would bug me just like how some people say they are "taping" when they are recording a video with their phone.
You need to cut that last scene of the old god or whatever tf he is, with the guy in Waterworld saying "it's paper!". That's how stupid that scene is in a world with libraries the size of a planet.
It looks pretty good and nostagic, better than a blue glowing data-cube and it is a nice unrealistic fantasy, but thinking about it opens more problems and plotholes and just does not seem to be a good idea. Also i guess they got confused by the difference between a library and an archive for old ORIGINAL irreplaceable books and maps.
I think what pisses me off the most is the fact that I have to watch the show to enjoy the characters I actually like and have to ignore the stupid things I don't like, because we have to appeal to everyone at once.
I actually like it, but this has nothing to do with Star Trek. It would work well for a different movie, which isn't set in a future where printed books are irrelevant.
The internal layout of the library seems to be a homage/ripoff of Jorge Luis Borges' "the Library of Babel" and the "infinite library" described therein. It would be a nice reference, except it makes no sense within the context of the Star Trek universe. Like everything else on this show, it's a mishmash of concepts taken from other intellectual properties, with no regard to canon, continuity, common sense, etc. To these people, Star Trek is basically a money-making brand label they slapped onto their generic, derivative scifi product.
Why does a huge starship have to swoop through the clouds to Cloud City? Don't they have transporters anymore? I don't watch this carp so maybe there's something natural or artificial blocking transporters. Okay, then use a shuttlecraft? I farking hate this show so much.
Last I checked transporters don’t have a multi lightyear range. Old trek is famously terrible at remembering shuttles exist I’m not sure why you’re singling Discovery out here
@@liamscienceguy8153 Transporters can manage low orbit to the surface of most planets. Unless they need to dock with this thing (why would they?) they don't have to fly up its butt. Also Doctor Who would like its giant library back.
Review of this episode here: ua-cam.com/video/4FarpG-MPjU/v-deo.html
We're in a f*cking library and there's still a ton of lens flare for some reason
Can you imagine if another genre did this, 'for theatrical effect'? Horror film: creepy dry ice fog billows over fields. Dark man enters renovated Victorian home, creepy dry ice fog billows out of his hat and coat. He settles in, creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his cupboards as he prepares a solitary dinner. Night closes in. He readies himself for bed, creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his bathroom cabinet as he brushes his teeth. Creepy dry ice fog billows out of the toilet behind him. Creepy, dry ice fog billows out of his bed as he slumbers. The next morning, creepy dry ice fog billows out of his agitated alarm clock...
And with all this, they still all eat replicated crap and not food from actual plants.
as someone who has worked in libraries and seen the trends towards off-site storage, digitization and automatic retrieval, this seems like a very unrealistic and inefficient future library.
Somebody shoulda told Burnham to download digitized copies from The Cloud instead of travelling all the way to this Cloud City Library.
It's an archive not a library. Closer to a museum than a library.
Why has every scene got to be this EPIC size scenario?
Remember when Picard met Spock in a small alleyway disguised as a Romulan ?
Oh, yes, I remember!!! In fact, it is one of my favourite TNG moments. Picard states that he is looking for Spock. The music rises, Spock walks into the light, and his unmistakable voice says, "Indeed, Captain Picard, you have found him."
No explosion, no pew pew, no lens flares, yet it is one of the most memorable scenes ever in Star Trek.
She only has four minutes to sort the master "In" pile and find Bender's brain.
Requisition me a beat!
Ba ba bump ba
"When I was a boy.."
That empty pad was the script for the season
The internal shots of the library look like they were filmed at robarts library, at University of Toronto. The building is built in the brutalist architectural style. Basically one giant ugly hunk of concrete
that's what leftists pretend beauty is
I read it was at the Fisher Rare Book Library
@@liamscienceguy8153Looks just like it. Robart's is a lot prettier on the inside.
It's the same place. The rare books are a department at the library.
I thought they had renovated an abandoned Hyatt Regency and filled it with "books" because that's the medium I guess in the 31st century.
There will be so much to nitpick in this episode.
The biggest crime is the waste of a vfx budget on this dog💩
My only hope is that the VFX people were paid well. Usually they aren't but as garbage as STD is, the visual effects are pretty good! Stupid and not Star Trek but that's not the artists fault. That's probably the ONLY good thing I can say about any New Trek stuff, the visuals are pretty good. lol
You hit the nail on the head. Exactly what I was thinking watching this. Such a waste on beautiful special effects for horrible storytelling & like many others have said. I've always given props to the visuals. Except the stupid detached nacelles on the ships & very inaccurate ship interiors!
The effects guys get up, go to work, do a brilliant job...and the writers, directors, and casting agents totally s the bed.
Couldn't agree more. However (unpopular opinion imminent), I thought that the post production in general, vfx included, were utter CRAP. I wasn't even going to watch season 5 but Pluto TV ran the first episode of the season for a bit so I happened upon whatever desert-looking scene had supercap mary sue & co zipping along on antigrav speeders and knew INSTANTLY that I was looking at one the worst examples of digital compositing over a CLEARY UNREAL ENGINE GENERATED landscape. Maybe I've spent too much time in UE. Still... UTTER. CRAP.
VFX studios don’t care as long as they get paid, if bad writing pays, so be it.
Crewman Daniels would have a heart attack seeing all those books in the future!
I swear, if I ever get the opportunity to do a remake/adaptation of a sci-fi property, I’m going to take a ship that was clearly and canonically meant for atmospheric flight, and have it burn up and break apart when someone thoughtlessly tries to take it into the upper atmosphere of a planet. Just out of pure spite.
How STD to only have Michael Burnham shown around the library. Can you imagine only one of the TNG characters beaming down to a planet?
Binders, on a shelf, still in their original plastic wrap wouldn't last 100 years let alone 600.
This whole yellow pad mystery is probably just a silly little sideshow unless:
Glasses guy is a time traveller, maybe Gary Seven, maybe Future Guy from ENT or maybe The Guardian of Forever (or whatever) Who really cares at this point?
@@randomelement5510 He's God, since Michael Burnham is the Messiah.
@@scockery Maybe in the last scene of this dreadful series we'll see Cronenberg, playing himself, wake up in a cold sweat and exclaim that he just had a horrible nightmare where he was trapped in a cheesy version of Star Trek. Why not?
They all but told us that he yanked it with time travel
@@scockery When the character LITERALLY became the friggin’ Archangel Michael at one point? It’s hardly even a _joke…_
The old ST designers would facepalm after seeing this
It fits perfectly with all the random stations we saw on Voyager
Make sure you don't show them the city in the clouds, literally called "cloud city" they designed for TOS.
lol…more types of floating and cloud cities should be advanced to Venus and deep space?
Yeah that’s not the problem with Discovery, the problem is its incredibly woke writers
@@JojoJoget have you watched any other star trek? If you think it became woke more recently than 1966 you’re blind or wilfully ignorant.
It's like how in Disney's Beauty and the Beast where the Beast has a huge libray
Missed opportunity: Tilly beams into the library, looks around dumbly, focusses on something, and says, "Is that a book?"
Looks like breaking a Prime Directive is just a paperwork issue for them.
Those cheap pads of paper would have had to have been stored in a controlled environment not exposed to oxygen sunlight etc. They decompose pretty quickly.
Why wouldn't he just replicate it?
He yanked it through time travel or something, I'm sure they meant to imply.
He referred to as a 21st century thing but I'm pretty sure that legal notepads had been around in the 20th century.
"Where did you even find that?"
"I bought it from the Paramount store, just around the corner."
"I'm trying to reach Lando Calrissian."
Nothing conveys the stateliness, order, and calm of a great library like shaky cam, lens flares, and banjo eyes 🙄
Honestly visually impressive and well executed. Props to the VFX and design crews. IDK if it makes a lot of sense in the startrek universe, but it sure is eye candy
last week i was like "this whole season is just one big search for clues with the occasional actionscene mixed in".
this week they actually go to some library to find the next clue.
i feel like im getting trolled
Everything's cooler with a fish-eye lens!👁
Make a rap video with a couple of friends!
It was rectilinear, but episode was rectal overall.
Havin' some trouble but you made that call.
It reminds me of the distortion lens used when Chekov was driven temporarily insane by Kollos.
Not to nitpick but Kollos drove Larry Marvick bonkers. Chekov lost it when they were in Tholian space -- same bizarre camera effect though
@randomelement5510 Thank you! I mainly recall his fisheye lens view of Spock saying "Chekov" on reverb.
Also I need to rant here.
Why is there a library of books?
What does the test of Burnham admitting her fears have to do with a library of books?
Isn't Burnham crying every single episode from seasons 1 through 4 also admitting a fear that she is going to lose something? Aren't all the characters of all Star Trek having fears of various things? Wasn't Burnham afraid of losing her mother in season 2?
The great Michael Burnham.
She is so great that she admits that she has fears of not being great. So what?
I've seen Star Wars reaction video's with better acting than Michael Burnham.
This episode is ultra cringy, those dialogs/monologs hysteric. Everyone is just mentally unstable. And for that probably expensive effects.
I've seen star wars reaction videos with better acting.
AT-ATs!
IT BROKE NEW GROOOUUUUNNND
@@TrekCZ You actually watched it? You have my condolences.
Would be a nice chance to show us the 32nd century memory alpha.... but they created somethin new, an old rome library wtf
Major, you’ll have to do a Chronicles of Ridek edit against how this episode ended….also the Breen at the beginning…uh,… Peter Jackson, called, and he wants his Orcs back. ;)
"You keep what you kill!" 💀
all we needed was ser jorah's scaly hand reaching for that crystal and this episode would've been complete...
Is that actually the place from the TOS episode or is it some magical nebula within the badlands’ plasma storms that nobody knew about until now?
Either way it’s peak discovery. Form over function, etc.
You gotta love JL’s reaction at the end 😂
What TOS episode? Memory Alpha is a federation installation thats on a planet and does not move
I love the beauty of the inside of the library
I'm still not convinced Burnham can even read...
When Starfleet finds out, they'll just give her another promotion and a bigger ship.
so much waisted CGI
HEY! Who turned the lights?
21st century legal pad? I'm certain paper still existed in the 23rd century. Why so specific? And how did it last so long in such prestigious condition? (Betcha it was replicated and someone lied to him.)
They seemed to imply he yanked it with time travel as set up for something
Glad you caught that Citadel vibe haha. I thought exatly the same thing when watching it! 🤣
Have to say, the music is beautiful in the library segment, listening with headphones.
music is from game of thrones
„My god… people actually used these things before the Internet!“
- Jontron
Oh, a library! Thinks Captain Burnham. She's like Belle in Beauty and the Beast.
During this episode, all I could think was the mental archives from the movie _Dreamcatcher_ with the set design.
Pffft that's nothing. I have *20th* Century legal pad and notebook paper.
But he has eyeglasses too.🥸
I love Star Wars.
The VFX are good but so is the music.
To be fair, i think she was asking where he got the authentic 21st century paper, not paper itself.
Well, at least this does not look like the Long Hall of Trinity College Dublin. That much you can say.
Cloud city….where have I heard that before Hmmmm!
Talking about "paperwork" for digital submissions would bug me just like how some people say they are "taping" when they are recording a video with their phone.
In the last episode they took the ‘bit’ design from Tron as the Breen Message
Jean Luc when he was still Jean Luc... 👑
Jesus that was original... Man I miss writers having talent.
You need to cut that last scene of the old god or whatever tf he is, with the guy in Waterworld saying "it's paper!". That's how stupid that scene is in a world with libraries the size of a planet.
Wonderful FX in service of rendering the equivalent of a used tampon.
It looks pretty good and nostagic, better than a blue glowing data-cube and it is a nice unrealistic fantasy, but thinking about it opens more problems and plotholes and just does not seem to be a good idea.
Also i guess they got confused by the difference between a library and an archive for old ORIGINAL irreplaceable books and maps.
They couldn't just say 'reports?' They had to say paperwork?
At first I thought they were ripping off Star Wars . . . but then I realized they were ripping off Uchuu Senkan Yamato.
Daniels wouldn't agree going by his comments to Archer in the alternate future.
No paper scientist was available for comment.
Why does Michael Burnham look like she's in complete horror over that room? Is she scared of books, or something?
University of Toronto main library expanded
I think what pisses me off the most is the fact that I have to watch the show to enjoy the characters I actually like and have to ignore the stupid things I don't like, because we have to appeal to everyone at once.
What's this song from?
In response to a comment by fuferito, Major Grin states that the music is from Star Wars and Game of Thrones.
The production team thinks they are doing a Harry Potter series...
Star Wars: Discovery
Why have a physical library when the L in LCARS is a library
is discovery consdiered canon
not to me.
glasses?
_Where’s the Star Trek?_
Back in the early 2000's where the studio left it.
Argelilous ?
The Neverending Story?
Star Wars fr.
Word cannot express how much I despise this hack show, and what they’ve done to Star Trek.
I just focus on the fact Star Trek and Star Wars ended in 2005.
Everything after is just fan fiction with various, marginal levels of quality.
I actually like it, but this has nothing to do with Star Trek. It would work well for a different movie, which isn't set in a future where printed books are irrelevant.
The African females are so slim and fit, yet Tilly...
Kirk and Spock Sees the Cloud City
ua-cam.com/video/yWwlruKkRZ4/v-deo.html
You gotta lot of nerve...after what *you* pulled!
The internal layout of the library seems to be a homage/ripoff of Jorge Luis Borges' "the Library of Babel" and the "infinite library" described therein. It would be a nice reference, except it makes no sense within the context of the Star Trek universe. Like everything else on this show, it's a mishmash of concepts taken from other intellectual properties, with no regard to canon, continuity, common sense, etc. To these people, Star Trek is basically a money-making brand label they slapped onto their generic, derivative scifi product.
Star Trek died and the funeral director is Alex Kurtzman.
Books, made of fucking paper?
While the writing is awful on Disco I can't fault the look. It's one of the best looking Trek shows ever just wish there was substance to the flash.
A 1920's view of science fiction. I really don't understand the intended audience for this. Don't expect much repeat viewing on this show.
Why does a huge starship have to swoop through the clouds to Cloud City? Don't they have transporters anymore? I don't watch this carp so maybe there's something natural or artificial blocking transporters. Okay, then use a shuttlecraft? I farking hate this show so much.
Last I checked transporters don’t have a multi lightyear range. Old trek is famously terrible at remembering shuttles exist I’m not sure why you’re singling Discovery out here
@@liamscienceguy8153 Transporters can manage low orbit to the surface of most planets. Unless they need to dock with this thing (why would they?) they don't have to fly up its butt.
Also Doctor Who would like its giant library back.
These writers are so annoying.
Books in the 32nd century Are they trying to be funny
Does the Cloud City rip off library have an adult section?
Awesome graphics wasted on crappy writing.
The distressed look of Burnham when a POC meets the nemesis of her people - books!
I will concede that the music is quite beautiful.
Too bad the rest of this show is utter dog shyte.
And, I love David Cronenberg.
Music is from star wars and game of thrones lol
Probably AI generated
@@NitpickingNerd,
Thanks for that.
You do awesome work.
OMG! it's the non bigoted Hogwarts
Star Trek was always progressive, but the compulsive Woke-itude has made it unwatchable for a long time. HyperPC garbage.
so far removed from anything star trek.... utter garbage
When in doubt discovery never stops stealing