Grew up at a Bible believing (Gospel Preaching) Church for 21 years, then I left to join a Church, I found out to be, seeker sensitive Church. Last week I returned to my Church of 21 years and am not looking back. All I want is Scripture, not fog machines, ted talks, or movies.
@@andrewmccombs7347 At my tender young age of 55 I have been there, done that, seen it all and even got a T-shirt for it, and one thing I learned is that no matter how much glitter or perfume you sprinkle on horse manure, it still stays horse manure. No amount of human intellect can replace truth, no amount of semantics can substitute wisdom and no amount of good intentions can save.
There are No perfect people , for when Adam sand Eve fell in the garden we ALL inherited their sinful nature , sin is what we do , thats why we need a Saviour , For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son Jesus Christ , that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have Eternal life ! .
Just keep reading the word of God, brother. In the book of James and tells us, that if we ask for wisdom, He will give it to us. Make sure that you are a part of a local body of believers as well because if you are not your growth as a Christian will be stunted.
I've been sharing the gospel with my Catholic siblings, and they always respond with indifference or with offense. Everytime this happens, I'm reminded that salvation is solely the work of Christ. I love my family and will persist in sharing the gospel to them, trusting in God's love and unfailing mercy.
@@theresagrimshaw1285 Same here. Their responses hurt sometimes. But my personal discomfort is nothing in comparison to the urgency of proclaiming Christ as the singular path, truth, and essence of life. The parable of 'Lazarus and the Rich Man' motivates me to speak boldly but lovingly. What's even more compelling is that Christ gave his life for someone as flawed as myself. Indeed, there is hope. Our greatest hope is the giver of hope Himself.
@theresagrimshaw1285 If they are authentic in their faith, then praise the Lord! If they're Catholic in name only (CINO), then they're not true Catholics at all. I'm a former Protestant, now Catholic, and the reading of scripture, fullness of truth, and sacramental grace was absent in 3 decades of Protestant Christianity. Christ's Church, the pillar and foundation of truth (I Tim 3:15), is One,Holy, Catholic (universal) and apostolic. Blessings!
Jesus is King and I love him, life is so difficult at times. Thats why we must always be ready, always asking for his help and strength and asking for his forgiveness...
Given Rome and Egypt... The Old Testament and the New Testament... Romulus and Osiris who both predate the original Bible. Persia, which predate Hell in the Bible. You may keep your religion but there are even existences older than Elohim.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615their message isn’t unique. They have works based gospels clearly created by men. It aligns with the desires of man and offers reward for performance like all other false religions.
If there is no choice, then there should be no responsibility, thus no judgement. But there is a choice, even if calvinists try to say otherwise, and that is clearly stated in so many verses. Don't choose sin, choose Jesus. "Yea, they have CHOSEN their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and CHOSE that in which I delighted not." - Isaiah 66:3-4
That happened with my brother. He left the church and married an unbeliever. Now they have twin boys and I'm afraid they won't hear the truth of the gospel.
The vast majority of people will reject the full out right pardon that is available through Jesus. Not one person deserves a pardon which is why it is all by grace. It is a gift.
It’s the doctrine of total depravity that makes us realize how much we need God and how blind we are to our sins that we don’t even realize that we’re sinning. Praise be to Jesus that we are free from the bondage of sin!
It’s the doctrine of Total Depravity/Total Inability that says that we are unable to repent and believe the message that is the power of God unto salvation unless we are first effectually graced, regenerated, and given a new heart and faith in order to believe. That’s what Total Depravity/Total Inability is. It isn’t the teaching that all have sinned. It’s the teaching that all have sinned and are unable to receive the reconciliation that God has provided for them in Christ. The doctrine of Total Depravity/Total Inability does not “make us realize how much we need God and how blind we are to our sins that we don't even realize that we're sinning”. Total Depravity can’t do that. Total Depravity is the idea that we can’t know that unless God effectually regenerates us.
But total depravity is not in the bible. What is in the bible is that we are sinners Who Jesus? Died to save. Total depravity is a guilt trip. We are not born blind. We are born sinners who need a savior.
@@seanmacluger6102 But that effectual calling means that we got the gift of grace before we believed. That does not match up with scripture. God did the work, We responded to the work. Responding is not work.
This message is incredibly convicting to me. How I needed to hear this. I'm so grateful for the Lord bringing this video to me and exposing my own sin. How many times I've gotten in His way trying to get my family saved, sharing scripture and warnings time and time again with no avail. Forgive me Father for believing that it's my duty to draw people to Jesus. Forgive me for getting in the way of your hands. I place my family, my household in your hands and you do the doing for their souls' sake. In Jesus' name Amen I love the way these Biblical teachings are given. Strait forward, in truth and love. Thank you 🙏❤️
We can only pray for our children's salvation that God will grant them saving faith, saving grace. But we can be a witness to them and hopefully guide their path.
These verses emphasize the importance of spreading the message of Jesus Christ to all people, including our family:Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8. Hence, as followers of Christ, we have been given the privileged task of sharing the gospel. I'm an only believer in a Catholic family. We ought not stop sharing and praying, humbly imploring the compassion of the Lord to save our family and others. The Lord richly bless your time sharing the immense love of Christ to your family.
Like the man born blind in John. The temple and the rabbis, and the mosaic law couldn't help him or remedy his wretchedness. Only Christ could do that. And He came to the blind man. Yes, his physical sight was given, but he was also given Godly, spiritual sight, and life, as well. Only God can give life to the lifeless.
Eph. 1 : 3-7, Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has Blessed us with All Spiritual Blessings in Heavenly places in Christ , according as He has CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN , having PREDESTINATED us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL , wherein HE HAS MADE US ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED . IN Whom we have Redemption through his blood , the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His Grace !.
This very doctrine brought me to repentance and salvation through Todd's teaching , years back, .....this was the best day of my Life: and today i street preach every week in my home town:
If that doctrine were true then it wouldn’t be able to bring you to repentance and faith. You wouldn’t even be able to understand the doctrine of it was of God and you were totally depraved.
@@evanu6579 On the contrary ............ Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:24 .... He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God john 1, 10-14 ...... only by the wonderfull power, grace and mercy of God by His Holy spirit.
@@3DL1 Total depravity is the same thing as total inability. That means you’re a God hater until the moment you’re regenerated. You can’t understand the things of God until you’re regenerated. So how could a doctrine be the means for your faith? I’m saying either scripture is false (like the passages you cited) or the doctrine is false.
its not that the evidence that Christians present to support their case are not substantive: no its that the atheist are too blinded by god to see that they are right. it doesn't get any worse than this.
My 24 year old son was recently saved after 10 years of sharing the gospel with him. Praise God! Keep the faith, and keep being faithful to our King, sister! Prayers over you and your family ❤🙏
YES YOU CAN!! If you share with them the CORRECT GOSPEL OF GRACE. Rather than this garbage of “you have to repent of your sins” that gospel is a works base gospel
The BIG Question is why God selected only some to illuminate/regenerate, when He wants all people to repent and even said that He is the atoning sacrifice not only for the believers but also for the whole world (1 Jphn 2:2)?
I am scratching my head on this one, “This the most HATED Christian Doctrine” title. I share my faith and the Good News - the Gospel, and I try to make my light shine, but I never have thought I could save someone. Some plant the seed, others water the seed, but I cannot make it grow that’s up to God.
Yeah well - what they aren't telling you completely is that those people teach that it doesn't matter if you preach. Because those people aren't going to ever seek God. Until God just makes them love himself... Because, without aid, they will never love God. Nonsense.
@@bambiwest1391 Good! Don't have faith in people (Men) have Faith IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. That's the problem in the churches, the pastors have become the pew people idol and who they worship instead of GOD/Jesus Christ Our Lord.
Well, from this calvinist theology, it doesn't matter what they believe. They just have to hope they are chosen to be regenerated to be saved. What they believe isn't relevant cause their "totally depraved" self isn't capable of understanding truth anyway.
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists believe that lost people don't have the capacity to understand truth. That God has to regenerate them before they can understand truth. So from the calvinists perspective, the lost are drifting away from the truth because God did not regenerate them. They have no choice but to drift away from the truth until God regenerates them. None of that is Biblical
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists think the lost do not have the capacity to understand truth. That their only choice is lies. That God has to regenerate them first before they can understand truth. That's what they mean when they say "totally depraved". It's not Biblical
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists think the lost do not have the capacity to understand truth. That their only choice is lies. That God has to regenerate them first before they can understand truth. That's what they mean when they say "totally depraved". It's not Biblical
How a *calvinist* should approach a person with *his* “gospel”: "Hi! I have good news for you! I don't know if God loves you, the most likely is that He hates you. I also don't know if He died for you on the cross, only a very few were chosen… But Listen!" Sad but true! This is the false gospel that is being preached in many churches. We need urgently to bring back the *powerful, simple* and *true gospel* summarized in *John 3:16.* If God says that he died for everyone, *it means that He died for everyone:* *Isaiah 53:6* ; *John 1:29* ; *John 3:16,17* ; *John 4:42* ; *2 Corinthians 5:14,15* ; *Romans 5:18* ; *1 Timothy 2:6* ; *1 Timothy 4:10,11* ; *Titus **2:11* ; *1 John 2:2* ; *John 12:47* ; *1 John 4:14* ; *Hebrews 2:9* …etc Let's be very careful, let's not be found liars.
The devil wants me to lose my faith but Lord it’s not working. Only you Lord knows the burdens I face. I’m a single mom and it is hard to have everything on my shoulders. Especially because both of my sons are special needs but despite the challenges I face. I keep faith in Jesus even as I struggle to pay rent and as I struggle to buy groceries for my children. As a christian that’s all I can do. Waiting on you Jesus. 💕
What a privilege it is to be here for “such a time as this!” Your video brilliantly points this out. Thank you ! May God bring each of us more and more opportunities to plant, and may we be ready to give an answer for what we believe when the lost look to us for answers as the days go by. Glory to God as His story unfolds.
The scripture says everyone. So u are either a Universalist or you have to concede that ppl have free choice to receive or reject God. John 12:32 New American Bible (Revised Edition) 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
@@arcguardian that interpretation conflicts with Romans 8:29-30, and doesn't match the promises that God made about his new covenant in sections like Ezekiel 36:22-36. At the same time, that word that your version translates as "everyone" can carry the meaning "all kinds of people", which wouldn't conflict with the verses mentioned, which was fulfilled by extending the covenant to the Gentiles. So you can deny both Universalism and libertarian free will based on Biblical revelation.
@@arcguardian ? no I don't. There are 4-point Calvinists who reject both limited atonement as well as libertarian free will. What are you talking about?
@@NeededGR13F I'm talking about the reality that God can't save everyone because we have free choice, or God does NOT want to save everyone. U can't have both.
I'll never worship a god who is only wanting some sinners to come to him. Calvinism is devilishness. Those that promote it are ill informed in the scriptures. I wish every Christian would hate the doctrine of total depravity. This is wrong on so many levels.
You don’t have to agree with Calvinism and all the points of “tulip”, but it’s undeniable that we are totally depraved. That fact stands on its own, apart from Calvinism.
@goosieschmoo8239 it's not the goodness in man that saves. We are saved through faith. God is not regenerating people who do not have faith. You can not have the Spirit in you and not believe in Christ, it's unbiblical
@@Moist_Moose_they are not totally depraved because God judges man on his response to the gospel. That's John 12:47-48. Unless you are saying God judges people for something that God did not give them the capacity of doing. Romans 1 is also evident of people knowing the truth, they trade the truth for the lie. You can't trade something you don't have.
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn a spiritually dead person cannot believe. God must first give you spiritual regeneration and then IMMEDIATLY gives you the saving faith to believe. Again, God doesn't put new wine into an old wine skin otherwise it'll burst.
I don’t know if it’s the most hated doctrine, but sure I hate the false doctrine of “total depravity”. Man is not TOTALLY depraved, otherwise none of them would be capable of coming to faith. Mankind is “inclined to depravation” but we are NOT totally deprived. The whole message of the bible is that mankind wasn’t totally depraved and isn’t, and we are to be made new to that state again. That’s why the scripture specifically says every single person has been awarded a measure of faith.
Both of those fellas are calvinists. You may not be but they are. They believe that distinctive and apart from preaching God has to perform something on us so that we might even believe what is preached. But that's not what the scriptures say. The scriptures say that God chose preaching as the mode to draw men back to himself. We are depraved because we cannot know the way of God until he tells us through preaching in the case of conversion. They are his sheep if they follow his word.
Yep. They say "Total Depravity" (as they define it) is a Christian doctrine, but it isn't really. It's a Calvinist doctrine, not necessarily a Christian one. But many Calvinists think that in order to be Christian, you must subscribe to every Calvinistic specific belief, which is not true.
@@USA-qu2nw 2 Corinthians 4:4 is an excellent point against the idea of "Total Depravity" (as defined by Calvinists). Why would the god of this world need to blind *anyone's* mind if "Total Depravity" is true? Like, what's the point in putting a blindfold over the eyes of a person who was born blind to begin with?
Yes, this IS Calvinism. No one disputes that the heart is deceitful above all things and incurably wicked. But we still can decide whether to accept or reject God's provision for sin.
This is not biblical doctrine. Calvinism is not biblical whatsoever. It's sad people believe this stuff, especially when the Bible calls us masterpieces Ephesians 2:10.
For we (the saints) are HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God afore prepared, that we should walk in them. We can't even take any credit for the good works we do as Christians, because God Himself prepared them for us to do beforehand. ALL of our good works were predestined for us before the first molecule of His universe was ever created!
I totally agree! They take various doctrines and extend them to places they do not go. No Christian disputes that the heart is deceitful above all things and incurably wicked. But they extend it that we cannot even respond positively to the gospel. We can ACCEPT or REJECT God's offer of salvation. The Bible is filled with choices to make and actions to take. We are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved.
1000% spot on. Once it clicks to you just how bad Calvinism is , you can’t unsee it. This ‘let’s agree to disagree’ is NOT the answer , the Calvinist have nothing to lose with that, those letting them in do. Calvinism is DANGEROUS !!!!!
@abuelb Romans 4 goes over that having faith is not a work. Folks like Abraham had righteousness accounted to them for their faith. Sproul gets this wrong too saying faith is a work but the apostle Paul clearly doesn't think so
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn Paul clearly does think so: Romans 9: 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of thim who calls- 12 she was told, u“The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,2 but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
I have no problem knowing I am depraved...dead in sin...evil. I realize that. I also have no problem with Jeshua saving me by grace through failth. Yahweh offers redemption/salvation to us. This is grace. He doesn't have to offer us anything, but he chooses to do so because, for some reason, he loves rotten humans. I choose to receive his offer to repent and be saved, by faith in his offer. Ephesians 2:8-10. Glory to Yahweh.
This video raises more questions than it answers. If it is up to God alone who gets saved, where is the comfort in knowing He chooses not to save most people? Perhaps 'sovereignty' really means that God does whatever pleases Him, rather than removing our ability to freely choose to receive the gift of salvation in Christ (Ps. 115:3, 135:6).
I think that's the wrong question. Instead "why doesn't God save more people" it should be "why does God even save ONE." Leaving someone in their sins is not the same as forcing them into Hell. The unbelieving mind naturally hates and sins against God.
@@peterlucus2062God calls everyone; few accept salvation. This is repeatedly multiple times throughout the Bible. God wants all to turn to repentance and be saved. That is what He has said.
You're exactly right. Living sold out for Christ over the past 38 years, and then I discovered that there is a group of people out there within the umbrella of Christianity who believe such a foreign gospel and it blew my mind. - Jesus does not love all, did not die for all, does not want all to be saved? What????? - God decrees that a child was abused? - From out of the womb the majority of people are born with ZERO choice, but were created only to glorify God in hell for eternity? - Their leader John Calvin's favorite wood to use to burn those who disagreed with him was green wood? (It burnt slower). - To believe on your own is a "works-based salvation"? What???? - Their god hates most people but calls us to love our enemies? - Anytime you see the word "ALL" and "WORLD" in the bible it always means "elect"? - We are called "universalists" because we believe Jesus died and wants all to come to Calvary? - And on and on and on... There is zero good news in this Calvinist toxic doctrine. Don't fall for Calvinism. Jesus CLEARLY SAID we have a will to choose. John 7:17... "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."
@@directorjames1855 God chooses all for salvation? Where is that written? Sounds like universalism, if it is up to the human being to be saved, we wouldn't be. Even John 3:16 is an exclusionary statement. ONLY those who believe receive eternal life. The order of the golden chain of salvation in Romans cannotbe separated. Order matters. Jesus even said those who don't believe do so BECAUSE they are not His sheep, they refuse to believe. Notice the order: He didnt say that they refuse to believe and therefore are not the sheep. Other way around. He purposefully doesn't reveal truth to some, he even says so explicitly to the disciples. He knows those who won't believe so He doesn't expose them to condemnation further by giving them the truth. On and on we could go with evidences Saying Jesus died for everyone but not everyone is saved means only one thing: there are people in Hell who Jesus died for but they did not "accept" salvation. In their case, Jesus' death was not enough.
The bad doctrine of theology that calvinists came up with was they ignore the part where it says for knowledge. In other words predestined through foreknowledge means that God knows who would and would not be saved, the calvinists believe God will actually block you from being saved. This is why John MacArthur never knows if he is saved or not, he believes his works would save him. Or at least he hopes his works saves him. Calvinism is bad theology. Does this mean that somebody who's a calvinist is not saved, no of course not. But if you reject the assurance of salvation that Jesus continuously talks about, then you would never be assured of your salvation until the day you die.
The Holy Spirit gives the ability to call upon the name of the Lord to ALL people. Call it total depravity all you want. But all men are drawn to Him. Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Furthermore, the common grace of enabling all men IS indeed resistable. Just listen to WHAT Stephen said just before becoming the first Christian martyr: Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Psst … dead people don’t call on the name of the Lord. Just sayin’: “And you *He made alive,* who were dead in trespasses and sins … “ ~ Ephesians 2:1 “And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, *He has made alive* together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses … “ ~ Colossians 2:13 “We are not reborn because we believe. We believe because we are reborn.” ~ Martyn Lloyd-Jones
If you actually want to be effective then do not come at people telling them they are irredeemably evil. It may make you feel good, but the person is going to never listen to another word you say.
I really don't care what some human thinks is "the most distinctly Christian doctrine". Or any other opinions they happen to have about what the Book is "really saying". I care about what it actually says. In short, I worship God, and don't worship humans (including myself).
How was Abraham “able” to believe? He has nothing of which to boast. God is the 1st Mover. He is sovereign over every atom in creation. He cannot be made a victim of man’s depraved will.
Calvinists use a different definition of sovereignty than most other people. Calvinists equate sovereignty with "theistic determinism" which is the idea that God meticulously determines everything that happens. The rest of us believe that sovereignty means that God can do whatever he pleases.
What do you mean by "TOTAL depravity?" Calvinists always leave the phrase of "total depravity" more or less open ended because they have no biblically based definitive absolute interpretation or explanation as to what it means. >> T - "Total Depravity;" Calvinist claim that no one can act in faith until they're born again, yet people did; see Hebrews chapter 11 (not to mention the whole Old Testament filled with records of non-born again people acting in faith contrary to Calvinist false doctrine). Jesus strongly refutes the Calvinist false doctrine of "total depravity" in this scripture as clear as it as it can be... "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!" - John 1:47 KJV Or... "Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" - John 1:47 NKJV NOTE: Nathanael was a man of NO guile, NO deceit; he was NOT "totally depraved." A person without guile is a person of innocence, honest intent, and pure motives, whose life reflects the simple practice of conforming his daily actions to principles of integrity. Also, David was called "A man after God's own heart." "The Lord has sought for Himself a man after His own heart” (1 Sam. 13:14). The second time was by the Apostle Paul who recounted Israel's history, “I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will” (Ac. 13:22). Calvinism claims that man is totally depraved and cannot choose to believe, the Bible says man can “do good.” Luke 6:33 - "And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same." The Bible says man can believe... Revelation 22:17 -"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Yet, believing is not a good work... Romans 4:5-7 - "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered." ALSO, no one was born again UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead... 1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," NOTE: "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"... no one was regenerated UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead. "begotten" is the same as "born again," "born of God," "regenerated," etc. David, as an example. was NOT regenerated (born again) until Jesus rose.
There are not many that I know or have ever heard that does not agree that all men are sinners and only through Jesus can our eyes be opened and we can be saved. The argument isn’t about that. It’s everything else that Calvinists bring along with that idea, limited atonement and irresistible grace to name a couple. It isn’t the doctrine of being dead in our sins that a lot of people reject, it’s the rest of Calvinistic doctrine that builds on top of that.
So are you saying that you AGREE that regeneration precedes faith? That we aren't reborn because we believe, but rather, that we believe because we are reborn?
@@PanhandleFrank No. I actually was very surprised, after talking with a Calvinist friend of mine for a few years, when I finally realized that he was saying you had to be born again before you could have faith to believe. It really threw my theological brain for a loop. But this is one of those doctrines that builds from the Calvinistic beliefs that we are completely dead and even if the HS was convicting us of sin we couldn’t respond until we are born again. Then this intertwines with the doctrine of limited atonement and irresistible grace. It’s a tangled web of doctrine that I believe starts its foundation with taking the scripture “dead in our sins” too far or too wooden.
There actually is an argument about that going on. It's mainly coming from the liberal churches and from a group of Protestants who are teetering on the edge of Pelagianism. I've talked to some who even try to make the case that Pelagius wasn't actually a heretic.
@@onehappydawg Exactly. "Dead in sins" doesn't mean an individual can't have or lacks the ability to have faith, any more than the phrase "dead to sin" means an individual is no longer able to sin.
@@losnfjslefn8857 The natural man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The doctrine of "Total Depravity" says more than all men are sinners. The idea of Calvinists that only regeneration allows to be saved is anti-Scriptural.
Total depravity is not a Christian doctrine. This doctrine came from John Calvin who got it from Augustine. He imported this concept from Manichean Gnosticism, which he was a member of in his early life. Every early church father taught that we have free will and are able to choose salvation. Being dead in our sins is simply a metaphor used to describe our separation from God due to our sinful nature. Every reference in scripture to predetermination, election and chosen refers to service. Scripture never says we are elected to or chosen for salvation.
"Effectual Call" is a Calvinist distinctive, not a Christian doctrine. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. God regenerates those who believe, as opposed to God regenerates in order to believe.
The scripture says everyone. So u are either a Universalist or you have to concede that ppl have free choice to receive or reject God. John 12:32 New American Bible (Revised Edition) 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
The Apostle Paul is not a one size fits all for how everyone is saved. Are you telling me God also blinded you by a light and literally appeared in front of you? Salvation is from God alone, but Scripture tells us we are saved through our faith. God is not out here regenerating folks with no faith in Christ.
Amen. God saves through His Word - the gospel message has the power to change hearts and minds. The Word spoke to Paul on the road. No one is hopelessly lost (non-elect). All can be saved with the gospel unless they suppress the truth.
@@ronnieleonard8444 The problem here is that everyone suppresses the truth, because they are spiritually dead. Its up to God we the to regenerate someone or not.
6:51 - 7:17 the miserable nature of spiritual blindness: people can look at the glory of Christ...and see nothing in value. My heart aches at this. Missing the great beauty of the glory of Christ even if it's already staring at you in the face -- how tragic and painful. Another equally painful thing is we can't do anything about it; we cannot heal ourselves nor can the dead bring itself to life. May the Lord have mercy on us depraved & wretched sinners!
Sorry, but this Calvinist doctrine clearly leads to blaming God for those who are not saved. You can hear this clearly at 8:30. If they are not responding to the Gospel message, it’s because God has not allowed them to. This is why I do NOT subscribe to this nonbiblical teaching.
What you call Calvinist is The Pure word of God , God does not have to save anyone for we were All born dead in trespasses and sins , but because of His Grace and Mercy He choose to Himself a people in Jesus Christ before they were born , not because of any good He foresaw in them but because He loved them, Eph 1 : 3 - 7. , the rest He left to pay the penalty for their own sins for the Glory of His justice !
God has before the foundation of the world chosen a people in Jesus Christ to Himself , not because of any good He foresaw in them but because he loved them Hallelujah !.
@@techwizpc4484 The big difference is I know I am saved , and thats not by anything I have done , but All to the Glory of God Alone , you are so obviously Not saved sad to say and see !.
I posted a short on my channel a few days ago with a picture trying to illustrate Ephesians 2. I ended up using a painting of Paul before King Agrippa and Festus. I don't think we're supposed to criticise Paul's evangelistic technique but rather imitate him in prayer and in presenting the gospel while remaining aware that God is sovereign and He is the only one who can save. Thanks for your reminder that God loves to save and that we should not give up even when there seems to be no spiritual life because God can raise the dead to life.
GOD BLESS .. and this is so true I have been in plenty of debates about the T ... funny thing is most belive we need to be born again yet won't admit to what we need to be born again from ... TOTAL DEPRAVITY.. right in front of there eyes yet they can not see .. Mr. Mr. Mr. FRIEL is the man and thank you for Wretched Radio led me to the doctrines of grace and such a beautiful thing it is
@@MoStBlEsSeD 1 Corinthians 9:26, "I therefore so run, but not with uncertainty; I so fight, but not as one that beateth the air." I do not engage in a fight with shadows and air.
@@jeffpaton9667 Isaiah 64:6 (ESV): We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. There are many more scriptures showing we are unable to seek after God from birth until we are born again John 1:12-13 (ESV): 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
@@MoStBlEsSeD I do not beat the air! Why "drop Scripture" when I would be arguing against your equivalent thesis that Santa Claus is god? Why argue what you have not proved?
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:16-17
Romans 9: 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,2 but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
A very needed message that all of us need to hear. Not everyone stepping up the pulpit or just trying to evangelize is going to have all the necessary gifts to present the message. Fortunately God already provided us with the script - the Bible, Old and New testaments. Some are able to memorize it, some can’t, but study it so that you can, know where to look, and reference it, read aloud to others. The Apostles in the days following the Resurrection eloquently presented the message and folks were inspired to write it all down. Worth repeating over and over again. And praying for God to work in the lives of others rather than burdening ourselves with worry about our own perceived inadequacies and failures.
Once again, Calvinists preaching Calvinism instead of Christ! 'Dead in sin' does not mean 'literally dead' as you suppose. You are taking this analogy way toooooo far. Dead in sin means 'doomed' or 'hell-bound' it does not mean unable to repent and trust in Christ when hearing His call! BTW, dead people can't believe, you are right, but they also can't... sin!
1:21 the problem with the Calvinist definition of spiritual death is, it does not match up with the biblical definition of spiritual death. Calvinist take Lazarus as being in our glory for spiritual death. This is something no one, including the Lord. Jesus has done. When the Bible talks about death in a spiritual sense, look at the parable of the prodigal son, he was dead, but he chose to come to the father.
Thanks for my dose of calvinism for the day. Could someone please tell jmac total depravity is calvinist theology NOT Bible Doctrine. If calvinism is true why do you have to be "regenerated" and born again if you where already in Christ from the foundation of the world? Was it when you were committing all those sins in the womb to bring about that infant damnation? Calvinist portray GOD as a monster, rather than a loving saviour. At its core calvinism is a works base philosophy i.e perseverance of the saints and Lordship Salvation that is causing great harm to THE CHURCH AND THE CAUSE OF CHRIST. They are nothing more than modern day pharisees with a cult like mentality.
Calvinists ignore every verse in the Bible that says God wants (and commands) all people to repent. If we did not have free will, there would be no non-Christians.
@@PYROBOOMThe basis of Calvinism is monstrous. If you saw someone who got caught by the mechanism of a machine, and that machine would kill him unless you helped him get loose, would you be a monster for just walking away and doing nothing to help? I’d say so. That machine is the Devil, and the mechanism is his deception. God is always helping us to get free and live, because He loves us deeply.
@@directorjames1855 What were "Calvanists" called before John Calvin? I thought the Bible states that "all should" come to repentance. Where does God command it? If you think God commanded it, then that means you are reformed. :-) One day, every knee will bow. How many Bible verses are there that God commands? Please list them here.
The reality and gravity of sin may be the most hated biblical doctrine. Total depravity is the most hated false doctrine that masquerades as biblical doctrine. MacArthur, Washer, et. al. are blinded in their Calvinism and enslaved to their Augustinian interpretation of John 6, Romans. They cannot leave Calvinism unless they are willing to more neutrally study the Scripture. We are spiritually dead and blind in our (not Adam's) sin. But the biblical remedy is accepting the gospel, putting trust in Christ, and repentance toward God. Nothing in the Bible indicates that it is impossible to hear and receive the gospel.
Can you lose salvation? Who saves you? Yourself or Jesus? I'm sure this will demonstrate what's in your heart, you trust yourself, stop it, look to Christ. Rom 3:10-11,23-24: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. … For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
@@alexandreperusio1303 I fully trust in Jesus for my salvation, thank you. Just as Jesus asks. Just as Peter preaches. Just as Paul instructs. I think you misunderstand my post. I never said nor implied that I can save myself. I only said that what makes me unable to save myself is my own sin done out of my free-will choices, rather than a divinely-imposed total depravity (T.D.). The inability of the sinner to save himself is not dependent on the doctrine of TD. Since all sin, all need the Savior. I just believe that our sin makes us guilty because we could have done otherwise and are, therefore, morally culpable for our sinful thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors. The call to believe, repent, be baptized, etc. is biblical. God would not require what is not possible. Therefore, total depravity is untrue. I think that those who support T.D. misunderstand John 6, Eph. 2, and a handful of other verses. BTW, making this personal and assuming what is in my heart (e.g., "you trust yourself, stop it.") is not generally good form. I recommend that theological debate be done by looking at biblical text in context (using the historical-grammatical method to get to the author's intended meaning) and examining the meaning of what the Word says rather than immediately making it personal.
@Terrylb285 salvation is God 100%, but the Bible clearly states that all who believe in Christ will be saved. If man does not meet the condition of faith then man will not get the unconditional gift of salvation. God perfectly completed the work of salvation, that's why it's unconditional because man can't earn it. But man is required to have faith, but faith is not a work, that's Romans 4. No belief in Christ = No salvation
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn I agree. Though, I usually prefer to say that salvation is unmerited but conditional. God's love is unmerited and unconditional, but enjoying its benefits is conditional. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. We see it being like the prodigal son who has loved by his father but did not enjoy the benefits of his love until he decided to humbly return. Not just a few proof texts either. Believe and turn back to God (repent), is the consistent call of the Bible. We would affirm the following: All sinners are unworthy of salvation. Jesus' sufficient work is already completed as He paid the penalty for our sins on the cross. Salvation has been gained by Christ. Salvation is offered to unworthy sinners. Not all sinners are saved because... Salvation is conditional. You must accept the gospel call and be born again. You can't make yourself worthy or take credit for your salvation... But you can accept the unmerited favor (grace) of God by meeting the gospel conditions. See John 3:16; Acts 2:38; etc.
This is why im not a calvinist by Mike Winger on UA-cam. Also, I like and listen to a lot of calvinist but I do not think it is biblical. I believe God softens everyones heart at least once, and the person can choose to resist Him. It's called free will.
There is NO SUCH THING as free will in the created order. Never has been, never will be. The ONLY Being in the entire universe with an unencumbered free will is God Almighty. The will of the creature is ALWAYS subordinate to, and subjected to, the will of the Creator.
We call this "stealth" Calvinism because teachers teach Calvinism without pointing people to the source so they can study it for themselves not to mention the alternative views of people within the pale of Christian orthodoxy.
Well, there you go. MacArthur is more authoritative than the Bible. Always go with Mac, after all, he is the evangelical POPE, as Todd so often reminds us.
I truly feel sorry for you! You are truly proving the point that you're blind to the truth of the gospel, because you may still be dead in your trespasses and sins. Repent and fall on the mercies of God while He may be found.
“Unless we are thoroughly convinced that without Christ we are under the eternal curse of God, as the worst of His enemies, we shall never flee to Him for refuge.” John Owen
Calvinsim is a distortion of scripture that only makes sense if you isolate verses and have a double standards when ti comes to hermeneutic interpetive principles.
Yeah, this isn’t the most hated doctrine. That title goes to the gospel itself. The fact that simple faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is enough pisses religious people off. These men here are those self righteous religious people who hate the simplicity of the gospel.
I do have to say "stop, use your head" when people try to conflate ordinary sinfulness with total depravity because total depravity is something you rarely come back from. Total depravity occurs when you knowingly reject the Lord Jesus Christ and His Message and you proudly embrace your sin. Crimes like murder, rape, etc all spring from total depravity.
What if I told you that God created sin and that He ordains and is responsible for every murder, every rape, and every heinous evil act ever committed? You’d say that’s heresy right?! And I totally agree, but under Calvinism that statement is unequivocally true. You don’t believe me, right? Well, just read for yourself then. In fact, I didn’t know this up until recently either and so I feel compelled to share. John Calvin: “Men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God, and do not discuss and deliberate on anything but what he has previously decreed with himself, and brings to pass by his secret direction.” “The will of God is the chief and principal cause of all things.” “But where it is a matter of men’s counsels, wills, endeavours, and exertions, there is greater difficulty in seeing how the providence of God rules here too, so that nothing happens but by His assent and that men can deliberately do nothing unless He inspire it.” “What we must prove is that single events are ordered by God and that every event comes from his intended will. Nothing happens by chance.” Calvinist Theologian R.C. Sproul Jr.: “God wills all things that come to pass…God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.” Calvinist Theologian J.I. Packer: “God orders and controls all things, human actions among them…He [also] holds every man responsible for the choices he makes and the courses of action he pursues… Man is a responsible moral agent, though he is also divinely controlled; man is divinely controlled, though he is also a responsible moral agent. To our finite minds, of course, the thing is inexplicable.” Calvinist Theologian Gordon Clark: “I wish very frankly and pointedly to assert that if a man gets drunk and shoots his family, it was the will of God that he should do it… Let it be unequivocally said that this view certainly makes God the cause of sin. God is the sole ultimate cause of everything. There is absolutely nothing independent of him. He alone is the eternal being. He alone is omnipotent. He alone is sovereign. Some people who do not wish to extend God’s power over evil things, and particularly over moral evils…The Bible therefore explicitly teaches that God creates sin.“ Calvinist Theologian Mark Talbot (included in “Suffering and Sovereignty of God” by John Piper): “God brings about all things in accordance with his will. It isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those that love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects… This includes God’s having even brought about the Nazi’s brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child.” Calvinist Theologian James White: In a debate with Hank Hannegraaf and George Bryson, Mr White was asked, “When a child is raped, is God responsible and did He decree that rape?” To which Mr. White replied: “Yes, because if not then it’s meaningless and purposeless and though God knew it was going to happen he created it without a purpose… and God is responsible for the creation of despair… If He didn’t [decree child rape] then that rape is an element of meaningless evil that has no purpose.” John Wesley said about this doctrine (and I concur) that it makes God worse than the devil. He said that at least with the devil, you know what you’re getting, but under Calvinism, there’s a duplicity to God where on the one hand he is good and loving and kind and compassionate but on the other, He is the cause of all evil in the world. And so He is both the light and the darkness, making him worse than the devil because then the one that you rely on for all things good is also the one who ordains/compels you to sin and also ordains/causes all evil upon you and the rest of his saints. In fact, under this doctrine, God doesn’t even need the devil if you think about it. It’s really sick in my opinion and I believe it should be rejected. After all, does that sound like “Good News” to you??? Believe me folks, I take absolutely zero pleasure in posting this, especially on here because I absolutely love Todd, but I was Reformed up until I learned of just how far Calvinism takes absolute sovereignty and so I think people should be able to see it for themselves and then decide to embrace or reject it. I genuinely love all my brothers and sisters in Christ and that is the reason that I share this. I say that honest before the Lord God Almighty. And if you agree that this doctrine is dangerous, then I might encourage you to tell other professing Calvinists/Reformed about it so they can decide for themselves because I don’t think most Calvinists know that this is what Calvinism actually teaches. I know I didn’t. And to anyone who would say that I’m just trying to malign Calvinism, I’m doing nothing more than simply providing quotes from Calvin himself and from theologians who subscribe to his teachings. You can just Google “calvinist quotes on God determining all evil” to see more as well as the references for the above quotes. A theology in tension is the website and I have no connection to it just as an FYI. Side bar… he says “Welcome to Arminianism” on the webpage but that’s not the only alternative view to Calvinism. I know we’ve all been conditioned to shun that word and personally I’ve been studying the traditionalist view, which aligns with people like CS Lewis and AW Tozer. Lord bless.
Thank you for sharing this. More calvinists need to see these quotes. How exactly did you find all of these quotes? Is it really just an easy Google search?
God created us upright and we instigated sin (Eccl 7:29). God made us innocent and we separate from Him when we sin (Isa 59:1-2). God calls mankind through the gospel (2 Thess 2:14).
I believe that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves. We definitely need outside help. What I disagree with is what "dead" means. I see the Biblical concept of death to mean separation not cessation of life. Adam and Eve were forced out of the garden of Eden where the tree of life was. They were separated from it. James says the body without (separated from) the spirit is dead. But that doesn't mean that the spirit ceased to live. Unregenerate humanity will in some sense be separated from God in hell, but they will not cease to live (what a horrible life). Therefore, dead in trespasses and sins does not mean that we can't choose to seek God and cry out for his help. It means that we are separated from God and his life changing grace.
We're called to bring the gospel, but most people, especially these preachers aren't bringing the gospel at all. They're way too worried about semantics, doctrines, theoretical technicalities and so on. On top of that they bring doom and gloom, not good news at all. We lost the true meaning of the gospel, good news and replaced it with a message of despair and hopelessness, driving sinners away from God. Jesus proclaimed AND demonstrated the good news, these men ramble empty words and do not demonstrate the goodness of God. Jesus went around DOING good, healing the sick and delivering the oppressed. These men don't do that, they only add to the sinner's burdens. The good news isn't told, much less demonstrated. The Lord confirmed the words of the early disciples by signs and wonders. If these men and your message was truly of God, He would confirm it by demonstrating His goodness. The absence of signs and wonders and miracles clearly confirms the true gospel isn't told.
It's not an issue of man's depravity that's hated, it's the idea of regeneration preceding faith. John said "these things are written so that you might believe, and in believing that you may have life though His name" The gospel is not the power of God unto salvation when you have the doctrine of regeneration saying it's impossible for the dead to believe.
The problem is this idea of regeneration preceding faith is not on the bible. It is the calvinist idea that has been inserted On to the scriptures. Paul reminded us that faith comes by hearing the word of god. If the regeneration was necessary, He would have included that point. I do believe in divine election, But not in the way that a calvinist to means it. Read Adrian Roger's or A.W. Tozer
What he is saying here is not from the scripture. The word dead is not like a corpse, It means that we are not hearing it.And if we continue in our sins we will die because our soul died when adam sinned.
My interpretation of why Calvinism is technically correct, is that it is the grace of God that saves people, and God knows who will and will not turn to Him. We don't know so we are supposed to share the word with everyone, but hell won't be empty.
@@mrcubsfan97arguably you have to believe the five points of Calvinism to be a calvinist. Knowing who will be saved and doesn't equal Calvinism. The ancient church most closely connected to the Apostolic authors never understood holy Scripture through a calvinistic lense (they were synergists). The Gospel was not "discovered" 1500+ years later by the reformers.
@@mrcubsfan97under Calvinism, it makes no eternal difference whether you ever share the Gospel with someone or not. Under Calvinism, there's no blood on oir hands. The man in the video basically said this quiet part out loud when he told parents to stop worrying about it. God will regenerate their kids if He wants. And if not, their kid is doomed and there's nothing they can do about it. What a miserable and heretical doctrine.
@@RStark-ek7mhihear this often..what is Arminian in your view? I find most people don't even know what it is, and it's nearly always misrepresented in reformed circles. Arminianism also teaches total depravity
@@MrWitz90 You didn’t really listen to the entire video did you? You picked out something at the end that was supposed to be freeing because God does the saving (which is everywhere) after we preach the gospel to our children and nurture them in the Lord. By your comment are you saying we don’t relax and know their salvation is in God’s hands? If they don’t come in the end is that your fault? Now that is a burden and takes the sovereignty out of God’s hands and puts it into yours or theirs. Try to understand and not make assertions that aren’t true. Be blessed🙏✝️
@@stevendrumm4957The Gospel is given to all men everywhere, and all men everywhere are given the free-will ability to accept or reject it. It's really that simple. That's the simplest understanding of Scripture that doesn't require a theologian jumping through linguistic hoops to reinterpet plain language.
@@MrWitz90 The will of mankind is not 'free' as in able to choose between good and evil on our own accord. We are bound by our inherent sin nature and Satan until God frees us at which point we WILL choose him because that's what freedom is. 25) Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26) Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants. - 2 Timothy 2:25-26 5) Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6) So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7) For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8) That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. - Romans 8:5-8 15) For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!) - Romans 4:15
@@hamtramckchronicles Please provide the Hebrew or Greek terms used for "sovereignty" in Scripture with verse references. Then we can determine if the Calvinistic definition of this term is accurate, or if it is man-made heresy. Thanks.
Christians understand the assurance of salvation, those who are not sure they're saved or believed they have to work to be saved and hope that their works are good enough to be saved are the ones who do not believe and assured salvation. When it said in the Bible that through foreknowledge that God knows who is saved means that people are predestined because he knows who will accept and who would not. Unfortunately, John MacArthur believes that God will actually tell you no he will not save you and actively block you from being saved and then send you to hell for not receiving salvation that got himself actively blocked you from. Terrible theology.
@dkjazzz why? If the elect were selected at the dawn of time, there is no point in going out and making anything. Your either elect or not. Nothing you can do or not do can change that. There is no reason for Jesus to have given his life for sinners because they were either elect or not. God has the power to make his elect saved. There is no reason God would want a relationship with us at all. Since 99.999999% of his greatest creation, he made wrong at the dawn of time and will make them suffer because he made us wrong. Thanks John Calvin!
@@mrwednesdaynightAmen.. Calvinism is a lie of the devil, they do not believe in the Holy Gospel and they don't believe they need it because they believe they have been magically saved without choosing as God insists
@@mrwednesdaynight Roman 10 answers this question. The preaching and hearing of the Gospel of God's free and sovereign grace in the salvation of His people is the God ordained MEANS by which He draws his elect to Christ and justly hardens the reprobate. If you deny the doctrine of sovereign election, you believe a FALSE GOSPEL AND WORSHIP A FALSE CHRIST.
@@hamtramckchronicles so He wants to rub salt in the wound of the vast majority of humanity that He made wrong at the dawn of time? Worse than that, He wants you to go out there and do His end zone dance for Him? Are you sure this God you refer to is good?
Did you notice the "us" in the passage? Do you notice the plural words used in context in verses 1-11? It is quite obvious that this does not speak of a single individual, but the "Church," the "Body of Christ." You have merely bought a Calvinist/Gnostic lottery ticket and think that you're a Millionaire!
If Calvinism were true, praying that God would save your child will have no effect on whether God saves your child. He made an arbitrary choice thousands of years ago. Neither you, your child nor God will ever change that.
That’s absolute silliness! No Calvinist-including myself-believes what you just caricatured as “Calvinism.” Please, at least read a book! BTW, the Bible will do!!!
@robertgates1837 It is was what I learned from John Piper and James White and John Calvin. If they are wrong, please explain how and when the elect become the elect.
@@dkjazzzAre Calvin's honest to their children? Do they say, "I love you, but before you were born God might have determined you will be a reprobate and go to Hell. If so, the gospel cannot help you."
🧐 STILL looking for Scripture that supports this ... Nope. There's no reason to "blind the eyes of unbelievers" if people CAN'T believe. BESIDES ALL the Scriptures that tell us to CHOOSE, TURN, CONE TO ME, etc. God's telling us this, but then, "Oops, you CAN'T! SORRY. NOT an option, actually. " 🤔Hmmmm. Augustine or the Bible...JCalvin or Jesus Christ? As for me and my house... NOT THIS.
Total Depravity. Enough said! This is Five Pillar Calvinism, not Christianity. And certainly not the Christianity of all ages, like Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints. These are not biblical doctrines: some, like total depravity, are gross exaggerations of scripture; while others, like unconditional election, are closer to Islamic doctrine, not even Christian doctrine at all. All Christians should avoid Calvinism.
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn when I see or read where someone is asking God to save a loved one as if God can save someone against their will. God does not have a magic wond he can wave that just magically saves someone. I believe the biggest lie being taught is that God just controls everything. Just because it is labeled as Christian music does not mean what is being sung lines up with Gods word. Very often is doesn’t.
Do with this what you will… John 9: 39Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” 40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” 41Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
Calvinism and total depravity is not biblical, brothers and sisters. It’s a trap. God didn’t elect specific people to be saved - but offers salvation to ALL. Of course we are dead in our sins and are sinful, but every person has a choice to either follow God or reject him. It takes a theologian to make the gospel complicated.
Grew up at a Bible believing (Gospel Preaching) Church for 21 years, then I left to join a Church, I found out to be, seeker sensitive Church. Last week I returned to my Church of 21 years and am not looking back. All I want is Scripture, not fog machines, ted talks, or movies.
You don't want to be talked down to by a bunch of intellectuals who think they're the second coming of Steve Jobs?
@@andrewmccombs7347 Who wouldn't wan't that? I mean, the have vibrant colors and shiny lights, what more could a person want?
Sad so many churches are turning into seeker churches and losing their way.
@@thiagoemanuel8607 And the turtlenecks.... oh the turtlenecks.
@@andrewmccombs7347 At my tender young age of 55 I have been there, done that, seen it all and even got a T-shirt for it, and one thing I learned is that no matter how much glitter or perfume you sprinkle on horse manure, it still stays horse manure. No amount of human intellect can replace truth, no amount of semantics can substitute wisdom and no amount of good intentions can save.
Without Christ, I am just another doomed sinner.
Thanks be to God!
Just a soomed dinner you mean.
This is video & channel is pro-Calvinism... not scriptural.
@@mikelyons2831 so?they are still reading the scripture of the Bible...
@@crackinlackin6189 They are reading Calvinistic/man-inspired theology into the text
Jesus came to save sinners, not perfect people.
Well said!
As though there are perfect people.
Hoe true. The Holy Spirit does that.
Yep. So thank God He sent His Son to die for every individual on earth.
There are No perfect people , for when Adam sand Eve fell in the garden we ALL inherited their sinful nature , sin is what we do , thats why we need a Saviour , For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son Jesus Christ , that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have Eternal life ! .
Please pray for me, to be restored, and given a right spirit, and that I might seek Him more. I need wisdom, more than anything right now.
Will do!❤
YAHWEH is faithful to hear the prayers of a righteous heart
Job 28:28
James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
Just keep reading the word of God, brother. In the book of James and tells us, that if we ask for wisdom, He will give it to us. Make sure that you are a part of a local body of believers as well because if you are not your growth as a Christian will be stunted.
read a chapter a day , start in the gospel of john
I've been sharing the gospel with my Catholic siblings, and they always respond with indifference or with offense. Everytime this happens, I'm reminded that salvation is solely the work of Christ. I love my family and will persist in sharing the gospel to them, trusting in God's love and unfailing mercy.
Having the same response from my family. Mostly they are hostile toward the truth.
Keep going, the word brings life!
John 20:31 these things are written that you may believe and by believing you have life in Christ
@@theresagrimshaw1285 Same here. Their responses hurt sometimes. But my personal discomfort is nothing in comparison to the urgency of proclaiming Christ as the singular path, truth, and essence of life. The parable of 'Lazarus and the Rich Man' motivates me to speak boldly but lovingly. What's even more compelling is that Christ gave his life for someone as flawed as myself. Indeed, there is hope. Our greatest hope is the giver of hope Himself.
@theresagrimshaw1285 If they are authentic in their faith, then praise the Lord! If they're Catholic in name only (CINO), then they're not true Catholics at all. I'm a former Protestant, now Catholic, and the reading of scripture, fullness of truth, and sacramental grace was absent in 3 decades of Protestant Christianity. Christ's Church, the pillar and foundation of truth (I Tim 3:15), is One,Holy, Catholic (universal) and apostolic. Blessings!
@@keith8325but catholic have teaching that are not of Christ or apostles have you noticed that?
Jesus is King and I love him, life is so difficult at times. Thats why we must always be ready, always asking for his help and strength and asking for his forgiveness...
No he's not
Quote: Jesus didn't come to make bad men good - he came to make dead men live.
@@Brian-Ahavah John 1:4 In him was LIFE, and the LIfe was the LIGHT of men.
Given Rome and Egypt... The Old Testament and the New Testament... Romulus and Osiris who both predate the original Bible. Persia, which predate Hell in the Bible.
You may keep your religion but there are even existences older than Elohim.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615their message isn’t unique. They have works based gospels clearly created by men. It aligns with the desires of man and offers reward for performance like all other false religions.
@DylanGalvinMusic
True... if works = salvation. Then the people on the cross with Jesus wouldn't be in Heaven with him.
If there is no choice, then there should be no responsibility, thus no judgement. But there is a choice, even if calvinists try to say otherwise, and that is clearly stated in so many verses. Don't choose sin, choose Jesus.
"Yea, they have CHOSEN their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and CHOSE that in which I delighted not." - Isaiah 66:3-4
Please pray for my family, especially my children- 2 of them have left the faith they once proclaimed. They are engaged to unbelievers. I am so sad.
Praying for you and your children
That happened with my brother. He left the church and married an unbeliever. Now they have twin boys and I'm afraid they won't hear the truth of the gospel.
The vast majority of people will reject the full out right pardon that is available through Jesus. Not one person deserves a pardon which is why it is all by grace. It is a gift.
As time passes, especially if they have children, they will return. Patient love is key.
@@joburgess3006I appreciate your prayers. Thank you
So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 1 Cor 3:7
It’s the doctrine of total depravity that makes us realize how much we need God and how blind we are to our sins that we don’t even realize that we’re sinning. Praise be to Jesus that we are free from the bondage of sin!
Ah, the TULIP...
It’s the doctrine of Total Depravity/Total Inability that says that we are unable to repent and believe the message that is the power of God unto salvation unless we are first effectually graced, regenerated, and given a new heart and faith in order to believe. That’s what Total Depravity/Total Inability is. It isn’t the teaching that all have sinned. It’s the teaching that all have sinned and are unable to receive the reconciliation that God has provided for them in Christ.
The doctrine of Total Depravity/Total Inability does not “make us realize how much we need God and how blind we are to our sins that we don't even realize that we're sinning”. Total Depravity can’t do that. Total Depravity is the idea that we can’t know that unless God effectually regenerates us.
But total depravity is not in the bible. What is in the bible is that we are sinners Who Jesus?
Died to save. Total depravity is a guilt trip. We are not born blind. We are born sinners who need a savior.
@@seanmacluger6102 But that effectual calling means that we got the gift of grace before we believed. That does not match up with scripture. God did the work, We responded to the work. Responding is not work.
@@brianschmidt704 what do you mean by “the gift of grace”?
This message is incredibly convicting to me. How I needed to hear this. I'm so grateful for the Lord bringing this video to me and exposing my own sin. How many times I've gotten in His way trying to get my family saved, sharing scripture and warnings time and time again with no avail.
Forgive me Father for believing that it's my duty to draw people to Jesus. Forgive me for getting in the way of your hands. I place my family, my household in your hands and you do the doing for their souls' sake. In Jesus' name Amen
I love the way these Biblical teachings are given. Strait forward, in truth and love. Thank you 🙏❤️
We can only pray for our children's salvation that God will grant them saving faith, saving grace. But we can be a witness to them and hopefully guide their path.
These verses emphasize the importance of spreading the message of Jesus Christ to all people, including our family:Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8. Hence, as followers of Christ, we have been given the privileged task of sharing the gospel. I'm an only believer in a Catholic family. We ought not stop sharing and praying, humbly imploring the compassion of the Lord to save our family and others. The Lord richly bless your time sharing the immense love of Christ to your family.
Like the man born blind in John. The temple and the rabbis, and the mosaic law couldn't help him or remedy his wretchedness. Only Christ could do that. And He came to the blind man. Yes, his physical sight was given, but he was also given Godly, spiritual sight, and life, as well.
Only God can give life to the lifeless.
"As the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in himself and to grant eternal life to whosoever he wishes".
Amen! John chapter 9.
Eph. 1 : 3-7, Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has Blessed us with All Spiritual Blessings in Heavenly places in Christ , according as He has CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN , having PREDESTINATED us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL , wherein HE HAS MADE US ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED . IN Whom we have Redemption through his blood , the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His Grace !.
@@Maga2024lul - Yes, and John 5:21 as well.
This very doctrine brought me to repentance and salvation through Todd's teaching , years back, .....this was the best day of my Life:
and today i street preach every week in my home town:
If that doctrine were true then it wouldn’t be able to bring you to repentance and faith. You wouldn’t even be able to understand the doctrine of it was of God and you were totally depraved.
@@evanu6579 On the contrary ............ Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:24 .... He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God john 1, 10-14 ...... only by the wonderfull power, grace and mercy of God by His Holy spirit.
@@3DL1
Total depravity is the same thing as total inability. That means you’re a God hater until the moment you’re regenerated. You can’t understand the things of God until you’re regenerated.
So how could a doctrine be the means for your faith?
I’m saying either scripture is false (like the passages you cited) or the doctrine is false.
@@evanu6579 so I guess you saved yourself ......
God bless you ❤ love from Ireland
Mike Riccardi: "the nature of unbelief, the essense of spiritual death, is spiritual blindness."
its not that the evidence that Christians present to support their case are not substantive: no its that the atheist are too blinded by god to see that they are right.
it doesn't get any worse than this.
This message was just what I needed to give me the clarity to finally understand that I can't save my children. Thank you!
My 24 year old son was recently saved after 10 years of sharing the gospel with him. Praise God! Keep the faith, and keep being faithful to our King, sister! Prayers over you and your family ❤🙏
Keep praying. God has his own timing.
🔥1Cor 3:6-8🔥
Only Jesus Christ can save your children or any other human being
YES YOU CAN!! If you share with them the CORRECT GOSPEL OF GRACE. Rather than this garbage of “you have to repent of your sins” that gospel is a works base gospel
The BIG Question is why God selected only some to illuminate/regenerate, when He wants all people to repent and even said that He is the atoning sacrifice not only for the believers but also for the whole world (1 Jphn 2:2)?
I am scratching my head on this one, “This the most HATED Christian Doctrine” title. I share my faith and the Good News - the Gospel, and I try to make my light shine, but I never have thought I could save someone. Some plant the seed, others water the seed, but I cannot make it grow that’s up to God.
All they are saying is that: preach the Gospel, don't make a show of it.
@@preacherbillf Perhaps. I have lost my faith in most pastor. 😞
Yeah well - what they aren't telling you completely is that those people teach that it doesn't matter if you preach. Because those people aren't going to ever seek God. Until God just makes them love himself... Because, without aid, they will never love God. Nonsense.
@@bambiwest1391 Good! Don't have faith in people (Men) have Faith IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. That's the problem in the churches, the pastors have become the pew people idol and who they worship instead of GOD/Jesus Christ Our Lord.
your faith should be inGod through hos son Kesus Christ@bambiwest1391
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.
Selwyn Duke
Well, from this calvinist theology, it doesn't matter what they believe. They just have to hope they are chosen to be regenerated to be saved. What they believe isn't relevant cause their "totally depraved" self isn't capable of understanding truth anyway.
@@NathannnnnnnnnnI don't understand your logic
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists believe that lost people don't have the capacity to understand truth. That God has to regenerate them before they can understand truth. So from the calvinists perspective, the lost are drifting away from the truth because God did not regenerate them. They have no choice but to drift away from the truth until God regenerates them.
None of that is Biblical
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists think the lost do not have the capacity to understand truth. That their only choice is lies. That God has to regenerate them first before they can understand truth. That's what they mean when they say "totally depraved". It's not Biblical
@TeresaOverholt-ky1ct calvinists think the lost do not have the capacity to understand truth. That their only choice is lies. That God has to regenerate them first before they can understand truth. That's what they mean when they say "totally depraved". It's not Biblical
How a *calvinist* should approach a person with *his* “gospel”:
"Hi! I have good news for you! I don't know if God loves you, the most likely is that He hates you.
I also don't know if He died for you on the cross, only a very few were chosen… But Listen!"
Sad but true! This is the false gospel that is being preached in many churches.
We need urgently to bring back the *powerful, simple* and *true gospel* summarized in *John 3:16.*
If God says that he died for everyone, *it means that He died for everyone:*
*Isaiah 53:6* ; *John 1:29* ; *John 3:16,17* ; *John 4:42* ; *2 Corinthians 5:14,15* ; *Romans 5:18* ;
*1 Timothy 2:6* ; *1 Timothy 4:10,11* ; *Titus **2:11* ; *1 John 2:2* ; *John 12:47* ; *1 John 4:14* ; *Hebrews 2:9* …etc
Let's be very careful, let's not be found liars.
The devil wants me to lose my faith but Lord it’s not working. Only you Lord knows the burdens I face. I’m a single mom and it is hard to have everything on my shoulders. Especially because both of my sons are special needs but despite the challenges I face. I keep faith in Jesus even as I struggle to pay rent and as I struggle to buy groceries for my children. As a christian that’s all I can do. Waiting on you Jesus. 💕
Oh wow! I am in exactly the same situation! Right down to 2 sons with special needs! Hold on to Jesus, my sister❤
Read His word daily one chapter a day and pray.... And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus : phil 4:19
May the peace of Christ be with you both,in everything you pass through may you feel His love and care.God loves you and He will never abonden you❤
God will never ever ever abandon you, remain faithful and he will provide in ways beyond our understanding❤
What a privilege it is to be here for “such a time as this!”
Your video brilliantly points this out. Thank you !
May God bring each of us more and more opportunities to plant, and may we be ready to give an answer for what we believe when the lost look to us for answers as the days go by.
Glory to God as His story unfolds.
Jesus addressed a whole crowd like this "you, who are evil"
Evil, yes. UNABLE TO RESPOND? NOT😅
In comparison to a Holy, perfect, pure, sinless God, YES, we are evil.
We have nothing good in us to commend us to God. It is all God, all grace.
The scripture says everyone. So u are either a Universalist or you have to concede that ppl have free choice to receive or reject God.
John 12:32
New American Bible (Revised Edition)
32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
@@arcguardian that interpretation conflicts with Romans 8:29-30, and doesn't match the promises that God made about his new covenant in sections like Ezekiel 36:22-36. At the same time, that word that your version translates as "everyone" can carry the meaning "all kinds of people", which wouldn't conflict with the verses mentioned, which was fulfilled by extending the covenant to the Gentiles. So you can deny both Universalism and libertarian free will based on Biblical revelation.
@@NeededGR13F you'd still have to prove Jesus Christ didn't die for EVERYONE, before you grant that salvation isn't a choice.
@@arcguardian ? no I don't. There are 4-point Calvinists who reject both limited atonement as well as libertarian free will. What are you talking about?
@@NeededGR13F I'm talking about the reality that God can't save everyone because we have free choice, or God does NOT want to save everyone. U can't have both.
I'll never worship a god who is only wanting some sinners to come to him. Calvinism is devilishness. Those that promote it are ill informed in the scriptures. I wish every Christian would hate the doctrine of total depravity. This is wrong on so many levels.
There is not an ounce of good in man. Not one bit. And the saving faith to believe comes from God, not us.
You don’t have to agree with Calvinism and all the points of “tulip”, but it’s undeniable that we are totally depraved. That fact stands on its own, apart from Calvinism.
@goosieschmoo8239 it's not the goodness in man that saves. We are saved through faith. God is not regenerating people who do not have faith. You can not have the Spirit in you and not believe in Christ, it's unbiblical
@@Moist_Moose_they are not totally depraved because God judges man on his response to the gospel. That's John 12:47-48. Unless you are saying God judges people for something that God did not give them the capacity of doing. Romans 1 is also evident of people knowing the truth, they trade the truth for the lie. You can't trade something you don't have.
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn a spiritually dead person cannot believe. God must first give you spiritual regeneration and then IMMEDIATLY gives you the saving faith to believe. Again, God doesn't put new wine into an old wine skin otherwise it'll burst.
I don’t know if it’s the most hated doctrine, but sure I hate the false doctrine of “total depravity”. Man is not TOTALLY depraved, otherwise none of them would be capable of coming to faith. Mankind is “inclined to depravation” but we are NOT totally deprived. The whole message of the bible is that mankind wasn’t totally depraved and isn’t, and we are to be made new to that state again.
That’s why the scripture specifically says every single person has been awarded a measure of faith.
Both of those fellas are calvinists. You may not be but they are. They believe that distinctive and apart from preaching God has to perform something on us so that we might even believe what is preached. But that's not what the scriptures say. The scriptures say that God chose preaching as the mode to draw men back to himself. We are depraved because we cannot know the way of God until he tells us through preaching in the case of conversion. They are his sheep if they follow his word.
Yep. They say "Total Depravity" (as they define it) is a Christian doctrine, but it isn't really. It's a Calvinist doctrine, not necessarily a Christian one.
But many Calvinists think that in order to be Christian, you must subscribe to every Calvinistic specific belief, which is not true.
2nd Corinthians 4:4 - the god of this age has blinded the minds of those unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel.
@@USA-qu2nw 2 Corinthians 4:4 is an excellent point against the idea of "Total Depravity" (as defined by Calvinists). Why would the god of this world need to blind *anyone's* mind if "Total Depravity" is true?
Like, what's the point in putting a blindfold over the eyes of a person who was born blind to begin with?
There is Holy Spirit power IN THE PREACHING.
@@hamtramckchronicles Sorry, I'm not sure on what exactly it is you're trying to say.
Yes, this IS Calvinism. No one disputes that the heart is deceitful above all things and incurably wicked. But we still can decide whether to accept or reject God's provision for sin.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
This is not biblical doctrine. Calvinism is not biblical whatsoever. It's sad people believe this stuff, especially when the Bible calls us masterpieces Ephesians 2:10.
For we (the saints) are HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God afore prepared, that we should walk in them. We can't even take any credit for the good works we do as Christians, because God Himself prepared them for us to do beforehand. ALL of our good works were predestined for us before the first molecule of His universe was ever created!
I totally agree! They take various doctrines and extend them to places they do not go. No Christian disputes that the heart is deceitful above all things and incurably wicked. But they extend it that we cannot even respond positively to the gospel. We can ACCEPT or REJECT God's offer of salvation.
The Bible is filled with choices to make and actions to take. We are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved.
@@heatherwoods5703Amen to this comment 🙏🏾
1000% spot on. Once it clicks to you just how bad Calvinism is , you can’t unsee it. This ‘let’s agree to disagree’ is NOT the answer , the Calvinist have nothing to lose with that, those letting them in do.
Calvinism is DANGEROUS !!!!!
Is Quranical good enough?
The chosen ones are so confident that they’re chosen.
Calvinism, which believes we are first regenerated (saved) and then we receive our faith as a gift. This is unscriptural. We are saved through faith
Not your faith. Its a gift so no one can boast.
@@abuelb The "It's" in Eph 2:8&9 does not refer to faith. It's salvation that is the gift
@abuelb Romans 4 goes over that having faith is not a work. Folks like Abraham had righteousness accounted to them for their faith. Sproul gets this wrong too saying faith is a work but the apostle Paul clearly doesn't think so
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn Agree
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn Paul clearly does think so:
Romans 9: 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of thim who calls- 12 she was told, u“The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,2 but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
I have no problem knowing I am depraved...dead in sin...evil.
I realize that.
I also have no problem with Jeshua saving me by grace through failth.
Yahweh offers redemption/salvation to us.
This is grace.
He doesn't have to offer us anything, but he chooses to do so because, for some reason, he loves rotten humans.
I choose to receive his offer to repent and be saved, by faith in his offer. Ephesians 2:8-10.
Glory to Yahweh.
This video raises more questions than it answers. If it is up to God alone who gets saved, where is the comfort in knowing He chooses not to save most people? Perhaps 'sovereignty' really means that God does whatever pleases Him, rather than removing our ability to freely choose to receive the gift of salvation in Christ (Ps. 115:3, 135:6).
I think that's the wrong question. Instead "why doesn't God save more people" it should be "why does God even save ONE." Leaving someone in their sins is not the same as forcing them into Hell. The unbelieving mind naturally hates and sins against God.
@@peterlucus2062God calls everyone; few accept salvation. This is repeatedly multiple times throughout the Bible. God wants all to turn to repentance and be saved. That is what He has said.
God chooses everyone, but He forces no one. It’s entirely up to the person of whether to seek or not. If they seek, God does the rest.
You're exactly right. Living sold out for Christ over the past 38 years, and then I discovered that there is a group of people out there within the umbrella of Christianity who believe such a foreign gospel and it blew my mind.
- Jesus does not love all, did not die for all, does not want all to be saved? What?????
- God decrees that a child was abused?
- From out of the womb the majority of people are born with ZERO choice, but were created only to glorify God in hell for eternity?
- Their leader John Calvin's favorite wood to use to burn those who disagreed with him was green wood? (It burnt slower).
- To believe on your own is a "works-based salvation"? What????
- Their god hates most people but calls us to love our enemies?
- Anytime you see the word "ALL" and "WORLD" in the bible it always means "elect"?
- We are called "universalists" because we believe Jesus died and wants all to come to Calvary?
- And on and on and on...
There is zero good news in this Calvinist toxic doctrine. Don't fall for Calvinism. Jesus CLEARLY SAID we have a will to choose. John 7:17... "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority."
@@directorjames1855 God chooses all for salvation? Where is that written? Sounds like universalism, if it is up to the human being to be saved, we wouldn't be. Even John 3:16 is an exclusionary statement. ONLY those who believe receive eternal life. The order of the golden chain of salvation in Romans cannotbe separated. Order matters. Jesus even said those who don't believe do so BECAUSE they are not His sheep, they refuse to believe. Notice the order: He didnt say that they refuse to believe and therefore are not the sheep. Other way around. He purposefully doesn't reveal truth to some, he even says so explicitly to the disciples. He knows those who won't believe so He doesn't expose them to condemnation further by giving them the truth. On and on we could go with evidences
Saying Jesus died for everyone but not everyone is saved means only one thing: there are people in Hell who Jesus died for but they did not "accept" salvation. In their case, Jesus' death was not enough.
The bad doctrine of theology that calvinists came up with was they ignore the part where it says for knowledge. In other words predestined through foreknowledge means that God knows who would and would not be saved, the calvinists believe God will actually block you from being saved.
This is why John MacArthur never knows if he is saved or not, he believes his works would save him. Or at least he hopes his works saves him.
Calvinism is bad theology.
Does this mean that somebody who's a calvinist is not saved, no of course not. But if you reject the assurance of salvation that Jesus continuously talks about, then you would never be assured of your salvation until the day you die.
The Holy Spirit gives the ability to call upon the name of the Lord to ALL people. Call it total depravity all you want. But all men are drawn to Him.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Furthermore, the common grace of enabling all men IS indeed resistable. Just listen to WHAT Stephen said just before becoming the first Christian martyr:
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Psst … dead people don’t call on the name of the Lord. Just sayin’:
“And you *He made alive,* who were dead in trespasses and sins … “
~ Ephesians 2:1
“And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, *He has made alive* together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses … “
~ Colossians 2:13
“We are not reborn because we believe. We believe because we are reborn.”
~ Martyn Lloyd-Jones
If you actually want to be effective then do not come at people telling them they are irredeemably evil. It may make you feel good, but the person is going to never listen to another word you say.
Thank you for this encouragement. I really needed this❤
I really don't care what some human thinks is "the most distinctly Christian doctrine". Or any other opinions they happen to have about what the Book is "really saying". I care about what it actually says. In short, I worship God, and don't worship humans (including myself).
Abraham believed God and he was counted to him as righteousness. He wasn't counted righteous and then believed God.
How was Abraham “able” to believe? He has nothing of which to boast. God is the 1st Mover. He is sovereign over every atom in creation. He cannot be made a victim of man’s depraved will.
@@markreid2709 You're assuming a very *specific kind* of Divine Intervention needs to be done in order for an individual to believe.
Calvinists use a different definition of sovereignty than most other people. Calvinists equate sovereignty with "theistic determinism" which is the idea that God meticulously determines everything that happens. The rest of us believe that sovereignty means that God can do whatever he pleases.
If Calvinism is true, then there is no need for the devil to exsist, since God 'supposedly' determines everything. They are so WRONG!
What do you mean by "TOTAL depravity?" Calvinists always leave the phrase of "total depravity" more or less open ended because they have no biblically based definitive absolute interpretation or explanation as to what it means.
>> T - "Total Depravity;"
Calvinist claim that no one can act in faith until they're born again, yet people did; see Hebrews chapter 11 (not to mention the whole Old Testament filled with records of non-born again people acting in faith contrary to Calvinist false doctrine). Jesus strongly refutes the Calvinist false doctrine of "total depravity" in this scripture as clear as it as it can be...
"Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!" - John 1:47 KJV
Or...
"Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" - John 1:47 NKJV
NOTE: Nathanael was a man of NO guile, NO deceit; he was NOT "totally depraved." A person without guile is a person of innocence, honest intent, and pure motives, whose life reflects the simple practice of conforming his daily actions to principles of integrity.
Also, David was called "A man after God's own heart." "The Lord has sought for Himself a man after His own heart” (1 Sam. 13:14). The second time was by the Apostle Paul who recounted Israel's history, “I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will” (Ac. 13:22).
Calvinism claims that man is totally depraved and cannot choose to believe, the Bible says man can “do good.”
Luke 6:33 - "And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same."
The Bible says man can believe...
Revelation 22:17 -"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
Yet, believing is not a good work...
Romans 4:5-7 - "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered."
ALSO, no one was born again UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead...
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"
NOTE: "by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"... no one was regenerated UNTIL Jesus rose from the dead.
"begotten" is the same as "born again," "born of God," "regenerated," etc. David, as an example. was NOT regenerated (born again) until Jesus rose.
There are not many that I know or have ever heard that does not agree that all men are sinners and only through Jesus can our eyes be opened and we can be saved.
The argument isn’t about that. It’s everything else that Calvinists bring along with that idea, limited atonement and irresistible grace to name a couple.
It isn’t the doctrine of being dead in our sins that a lot of people reject, it’s the rest of Calvinistic doctrine that builds on top of that.
So are you saying that you AGREE that regeneration precedes faith? That we aren't reborn because we believe, but rather, that we believe because we are reborn?
@@PanhandleFrank No. I actually was very surprised, after talking with a Calvinist friend of mine for a few years, when I finally realized that he was saying you had to be born again before you could have faith to believe.
It really threw my theological brain for a loop. But this is one of those doctrines that builds from the Calvinistic beliefs that we are completely dead and even if the HS was convicting us of sin we couldn’t respond until we are born again.
Then this intertwines with the doctrine of limited atonement and irresistible grace.
It’s a tangled web of doctrine that I believe starts its foundation with taking the scripture “dead in our sins” too far or too wooden.
There actually is an argument about that going on. It's mainly coming from the liberal churches and from a group of Protestants who are teetering on the edge of Pelagianism. I've talked to some who even try to make the case that Pelagius wasn't actually a heretic.
@@onehappydawg Exactly. "Dead in sins" doesn't mean an individual can't have or lacks the ability to have faith, any more than the phrase "dead to sin" means an individual is no longer able to sin.
@@losnfjslefn8857 The natural man receives NOT the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The doctrine of "Total Depravity" says more than all men are sinners. The idea of Calvinists that only regeneration allows to be saved is anti-Scriptural.
Total depravity is not a Christian doctrine. This doctrine came from John Calvin who got it from Augustine. He imported this concept from Manichean Gnosticism, which he was a member of in his early life. Every early church father taught that we have free will and are able to choose salvation. Being dead in our sins is simply a metaphor used to describe our separation from God due to our sinful nature. Every reference in scripture to predetermination, election and chosen refers to service. Scripture never says we are elected to or chosen for salvation.
Why would you allow facts to get in the way of Gnostic Fatalists masquerading as Christians?
"Effectual Call" is a Calvinist distinctive, not a Christian doctrine.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
God regenerates those who believe, as opposed to God regenerates in order to believe.
Apostle Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus proves that salvation is from God alone. And he wrote about this in his letters.
The scripture says everyone. So u are either a Universalist or you have to concede that ppl have free choice to receive or reject God.
John 12:32
New American Bible (Revised Edition)
32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
@@arcguardian your point? Can you clarify a bit more?
The Apostle Paul is not a one size fits all for how everyone is saved. Are you telling me God also blinded you by a light and literally appeared in front of you?
Salvation is from God alone, but Scripture tells us we are saved through our faith. God is not out here regenerating folks with no faith in Christ.
Amen. God saves through His Word - the gospel message has the power to change hearts and minds. The Word spoke to Paul on the road. No one is hopelessly lost (non-elect). All can be saved with the gospel unless they suppress the truth.
@@ronnieleonard8444 The problem here is that everyone suppresses the truth, because they are spiritually dead. Its up to God we the to regenerate someone or not.
6:51 - 7:17 the miserable nature of spiritual blindness: people can look at the glory of Christ...and see nothing in value.
My heart aches at this. Missing the great beauty of the glory of Christ even if it's already staring at you in the face -- how tragic and painful. Another equally painful thing is we can't do anything about it; we cannot heal ourselves nor can the dead bring itself to life. May the Lord have mercy on us depraved & wretched sinners!
Sorry, but this Calvinist doctrine clearly leads to blaming God for those who are not saved. You can hear this clearly at 8:30. If they are not responding to the Gospel message, it’s because God has not allowed them to. This is why I do NOT subscribe to this nonbiblical teaching.
What you call Calvinist is The Pure word of God , God does not have to save anyone for we were All born dead in trespasses and sins , but because of His Grace and Mercy He choose to Himself a people in Jesus Christ before they were born , not because of any good He foresaw in them but because He loved them, Eph 1 : 3 - 7. , the rest He left to pay the penalty for their own sins for the Glory of His justice !
@@happyforever1528 Then why preach and why even call it Salvation and not selection? So Jesus came and died on the cross to select, not to save.
God has before the foundation of the world chosen a people in Jesus Christ to Himself , not because of any good He foresaw in them but because he loved them Hallelujah !.
@@happyforever1528 You're no different that those denominations who think only their church is saved.
@@techwizpc4484 The big difference is I know I am saved , and thats not by anything I have done , but All to the Glory of God Alone , you are so obviously Not saved sad to say and see !.
Since God has already predetermined who will be saved, why do we pray for God to save people?
I posted a short on my channel a few days ago with a picture trying to illustrate Ephesians 2. I ended up using a painting of Paul before King Agrippa and Festus. I don't think we're supposed to criticise Paul's evangelistic technique but rather imitate him in prayer and in presenting the gospel while remaining aware that God is sovereign and He is the only one who can save. Thanks for your reminder that God loves to save and that we should not give up even when there seems to be no spiritual life because God can raise the dead to life.
Theres no point in church or preaching the gospel if God chooses certain people for hell and others to hell
GOD BLESS .. and this is so true I have been in plenty of debates about the T ... funny thing is most belive we need to be born again yet won't admit to what we need to be born again from ... TOTAL DEPRAVITY.. right in front of there eyes yet they can not see .. Mr. Mr. Mr. FRIEL is the man and thank you for Wretched Radio led me to the doctrines of grace and such a beautiful thing it is
Being Born-Again certainly cannot save us from something that is not in the bible. Does being Born-Again save you from Santa Claus too?
@jeffpaton9667 what are you talking about ?? Drop some scripture and we can talk about it ...
@@MoStBlEsSeD 1 Corinthians 9:26, "I therefore so run, but not with uncertainty; I so fight, but not as one that beateth the air."
I do not engage in a fight with shadows and air.
@@jeffpaton9667 Isaiah 64:6 (ESV): We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
There are many more scriptures showing we are unable to seek after God from birth until we are born again
John 1:12-13 (ESV): 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
@@MoStBlEsSeD I do not beat the air! Why "drop Scripture" when I would be arguing against your equivalent thesis that Santa Claus is god? Why argue what you have not proved?
Calvinism is a heresy that will go down in flames at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
ALL OF THIS. thank you pastor! 🙏💟
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:16-17
The calvinist god is not my God. The calvinist god is abhorrent and a mockery of our true God's nature.
Hey buddy this is Harold over in East Tenn. good message A+
Its not distinctly Christian, it is distinctly deterministic
Romans 9: 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,2 but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
@coffeesponge3054 ah yes the calvinist gospel, the way they interpret Romans 9
A very needed message that all of us need to hear. Not everyone stepping up the pulpit or just trying to evangelize is going to have all the necessary gifts to present the message. Fortunately God already provided us with the script - the Bible, Old and New testaments. Some are able to memorize it, some can’t, but study it so that you can, know where to look, and reference it, read aloud to others. The Apostles in the days following the Resurrection eloquently presented the message and folks were inspired to write it all down. Worth repeating over and over again. And praying for God to work in the lives of others rather than burdening ourselves with worry about our own perceived inadequacies and failures.
Once again, Calvinists preaching Calvinism instead of Christ!
'Dead in sin' does not mean 'literally dead' as you suppose. You are taking this analogy way toooooo far. Dead in sin means 'doomed' or 'hell-bound' it does not mean unable to repent and trust in Christ when hearing His call!
BTW, dead people can't believe, you are right, but they also can't... sin!
1:21 the problem with the Calvinist definition of spiritual death is, it does not match up with the biblical definition of spiritual death. Calvinist take Lazarus as being in our glory for spiritual death. This is something no one, including the Lord. Jesus has done. When the Bible talks about death in a spiritual sense, look at the parable of the prodigal son, he was dead, but he chose to come to the father.
Great video! 😊
If saint Johnny MacArthur says it’s so, then it is so amen and alleluia
Except Johnny isn't a prophet or God so not exactly.
Thanks for my dose of calvinism for the day. Could someone please tell jmac total depravity is calvinist theology NOT Bible Doctrine. If calvinism is true why do you have to be "regenerated" and born again if you where already in Christ from the foundation of the world? Was it when you were committing all those sins in the womb to bring about that infant damnation? Calvinist portray GOD as a monster, rather than a loving saviour. At its core calvinism is a works base philosophy i.e perseverance of the saints and Lordship Salvation that is causing great harm to THE CHURCH AND THE CAUSE OF CHRIST.
They are nothing more than modern day pharisees with a cult like mentality.
"Calvinist portray GOD as a monster, " All of them do? How do you know this?
Calvinists ignore every verse in the Bible that says God wants (and commands) all people to repent. If we did not have free will, there would be no non-Christians.
@@PYROBOOMThe basis of Calvinism is monstrous. If you saw someone who got caught by the mechanism of a machine, and that machine would kill him unless you helped him get loose, would you be a monster for just walking away and doing nothing to help? I’d say so. That machine is the Devil, and the mechanism is his deception. God is always helping us to get free and live, because He loves us deeply.
@@PYROBOOM
INFANT DAMNATION
CONDITION LOVE
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
LIMITED ATONEMENT
CALVINIST INTERPRETATION OF ROMANS 9
@@directorjames1855 What were "Calvanists" called before John Calvin? I thought the Bible states that "all should" come to repentance. Where does God command it? If you think God commanded it, then that means you are reformed. :-) One day, every knee will bow. How many Bible verses are there that God commands? Please list them here.
The reality and gravity of sin may be the most hated biblical doctrine. Total depravity is the most hated false doctrine that masquerades as biblical doctrine. MacArthur, Washer, et. al. are blinded in their Calvinism and enslaved to their Augustinian interpretation of John 6, Romans. They cannot leave Calvinism unless they are willing to more neutrally study the Scripture.
We are spiritually dead and blind in our (not Adam's) sin. But the biblical remedy is accepting the gospel, putting trust in Christ, and repentance toward God. Nothing in the Bible indicates that it is impossible to hear and receive the gospel.
Can you lose salvation? Who saves you? Yourself or Jesus? I'm sure this will demonstrate what's in your heart, you trust yourself, stop it, look to Christ.
Rom 3:10-11,23-24: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. … For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
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I fully trust in Jesus for my salvation, thank you. Just as Jesus asks. Just as Peter preaches. Just as Paul instructs.
I think you misunderstand my post. I never said nor implied that I can save myself. I only said that what makes me unable to save myself is my own sin done out of my free-will choices, rather than a divinely-imposed total depravity (T.D.). The inability of the sinner to save himself is not dependent on the doctrine of TD. Since all sin, all need the Savior. I just believe that our sin makes us guilty because we could have done otherwise and are, therefore, morally culpable for our sinful thoughts, attitudes, and behaviors.
The call to believe, repent, be baptized, etc. is biblical. God would not require what is not possible. Therefore, total depravity is untrue. I think that those who support T.D. misunderstand John 6, Eph. 2, and a handful of other verses.
BTW, making this personal and assuming what is in my heart (e.g., "you trust yourself, stop it.") is not generally good form. I recommend that theological debate be done by looking at biblical text in context (using the historical-grammatical method to get to the author's intended meaning) and examining the meaning of what the Word says rather than immediately making it personal.
God didn’t save me , I , in my choice making abilities, I accepted Gods offer of salvation. Glory be to me.
@Terrylb285 salvation is God 100%, but the Bible clearly states that all who believe in Christ will be saved. If man does not meet the condition of faith then man will not get the unconditional gift of salvation.
God perfectly completed the work of salvation, that's why it's unconditional because man can't earn it. But man is required to have faith, but faith is not a work, that's Romans 4.
No belief in Christ = No salvation
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn I agree. Though, I usually prefer to say that salvation is unmerited but conditional. God's love is unmerited and unconditional, but enjoying its benefits is conditional. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways.
We see it being like the prodigal son who has loved by his father but did not enjoy the benefits of his love until he decided to humbly return. Not just a few proof texts either. Believe and turn back to God (repent), is the consistent call of the Bible.
We would affirm the following:
All sinners are unworthy of salvation.
Jesus' sufficient work is already completed as He paid the penalty for our sins on the cross.
Salvation has been gained by Christ.
Salvation is offered to unworthy sinners.
Not all sinners are saved because...
Salvation is conditional.
You must accept the gospel call and be born again.
You can't make yourself worthy or take credit for your salvation...
But you can accept the unmerited favor (grace) of God by meeting the gospel conditions.
See John 3:16; Acts 2:38; etc.
This is why im not a calvinist by Mike Winger on UA-cam. Also, I like and listen to a lot of calvinist but I do not think it is biblical. I believe God softens everyones heart at least once, and the person can choose to resist Him. It's called free will.
Your opinion has no value. Scripture is clear and concise. God CHOSE, PREDESTINED, ELECTED.
There is NO SUCH THING as free will in the created order. Never has been, never will be. The ONLY Being in the entire universe with an unencumbered free will is God Almighty. The will of the creature is ALWAYS subordinate to, and subjected to, the will of the Creator.
We are free enough to accept or reject the grace of God.
I knew this already.... also I needed to hear this. Thank you
We call this "stealth" Calvinism because teachers teach Calvinism without pointing people to the source so they can study it for themselves not to mention the alternative views of people within the pale of Christian orthodoxy.
Well, there you go. MacArthur is more authoritative than the Bible. Always go with Mac, after all, he is the evangelical POPE, as Todd so often reminds us.
I truly feel sorry for you! You are truly proving the point that you're blind to the truth of the gospel, because you may still be dead in your trespasses and sins. Repent and fall on the mercies of God while He may be found.
“Unless we are thoroughly convinced that without Christ we are under the eternal curse of God, as the worst of His enemies, we shall never flee to Him for refuge.” John Owen
Calvinsim is a distortion of scripture that only makes sense if you isolate verses and have a double standards when ti comes to hermeneutic interpetive principles.
Yeah, this isn’t the most hated doctrine. That title goes to the gospel itself. The fact that simple faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is enough pisses religious people off. These men here are those self righteous religious people who hate the simplicity of the gospel.
Is not "Christian doctrine, let's make that crystal clear. It's Calvinists doctrine, huge difference.
I do have to say "stop, use your head" when people try to conflate ordinary sinfulness with total depravity because total depravity is something you rarely come back from. Total depravity occurs when you knowingly reject the Lord Jesus Christ and His Message and you proudly embrace your sin. Crimes like murder, rape, etc all spring from total depravity.
What if I told you that God created sin and that He ordains and is responsible for every murder, every rape, and every heinous evil act ever committed? You’d say that’s heresy right?! And I totally agree, but under Calvinism that statement is unequivocally true. You don’t believe me, right? Well, just read for yourself then. In fact, I didn’t know this up until recently either and so I feel compelled to share.
John Calvin:
“Men do nothing save at the secret instigation of God, and do not discuss and deliberate on anything but what he has previously decreed with himself, and brings to pass by his secret direction.”
“The will of God is the chief and principal cause of all things.”
“But where it is a matter of men’s counsels, wills, endeavours, and exertions, there is greater difficulty in seeing how the providence of God rules here too, so that nothing happens but by His assent and that men can deliberately do nothing unless He inspire it.”
“What we must prove is that single events are ordered by God and that every event comes from his intended will. Nothing happens by chance.”
Calvinist Theologian R.C. Sproul Jr.:
“God wills all things that come to pass…God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.”
Calvinist Theologian J.I. Packer:
“God orders and controls all things, human actions among them…He [also] holds every man responsible for the choices he makes and the courses of action he pursues… Man is a responsible moral agent, though he is also divinely controlled; man is divinely controlled, though he is also a responsible moral agent. To our finite minds, of course, the thing is inexplicable.”
Calvinist Theologian Gordon Clark:
“I wish very frankly and pointedly to assert that if a man gets drunk and shoots his family, it was the will of God that he should do it… Let it be unequivocally said that this view certainly makes God the cause of sin. God is the sole ultimate cause of everything. There is absolutely nothing independent of him. He alone is the eternal being. He alone is omnipotent. He alone is sovereign. Some people who do not wish to extend God’s power over evil things, and particularly over moral evils…The Bible therefore explicitly teaches that God creates sin.“
Calvinist Theologian Mark Talbot (included in “Suffering and Sovereignty of God” by John Piper):
“God brings about all things in accordance with his will. It isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those that love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects… This includes God’s having even brought about the Nazi’s brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child.”
Calvinist Theologian James White:
In a debate with Hank Hannegraaf and George Bryson, Mr White was asked, “When a child is raped, is God responsible and did He decree that rape?” To which Mr. White replied: “Yes, because if not then it’s meaningless and purposeless and though God knew it was going to happen he created it without a purpose… and God is responsible for the creation of despair… If He didn’t [decree child rape] then that rape is an element of meaningless evil that has no purpose.”
John Wesley said about this doctrine (and I concur) that it makes God worse than the devil. He said that at least with the devil, you know what you’re getting, but under Calvinism, there’s a duplicity to God where on the one hand he is good and loving and kind and compassionate but on the other, He is the cause of all evil in the world. And so He is both the light and the darkness, making him worse than the devil because then the one that you rely on for all things good is also the one who ordains/compels you to sin and also ordains/causes all evil upon you and the rest of his saints. In fact, under this doctrine, God doesn’t even need the devil if you think about it. It’s really sick in my opinion and I believe it should be rejected. After all, does that sound like “Good News” to you???
Believe me folks, I take absolutely zero pleasure in posting this, especially on here because I absolutely love Todd, but I was Reformed up until I learned of just how far Calvinism takes absolute sovereignty and so I think people should be able to see it for themselves and then decide to embrace or reject it. I genuinely love all my brothers and sisters in Christ and that is the reason that I share this. I say that honest before the Lord God Almighty. And if you agree that this doctrine is dangerous, then I might encourage you to tell other professing Calvinists/Reformed about it so they can decide for themselves because I don’t think most Calvinists know that this is what Calvinism actually teaches. I know I didn’t. And to anyone who would say that I’m just trying to malign Calvinism, I’m doing nothing more than simply providing quotes from Calvin himself and from theologians who subscribe to his teachings.
You can just Google “calvinist quotes on God determining all evil” to see more as well as the references for the above quotes. A theology in tension is the website and I have no connection to it just as an FYI. Side bar… he says “Welcome to Arminianism” on the webpage but that’s not the only alternative view to Calvinism. I know we’ve all been conditioned to shun that word and personally I’ve been studying the traditionalist view, which aligns with people like CS Lewis and AW Tozer. Lord bless.
Thank you for sharing this. More calvinists need to see these quotes. How exactly did you find all of these quotes? Is it really just an easy Google search?
Yep, a lot of people who call themselves Calvinist or Reformed have no idea what some of the leaders in Calvinism/Reformed Theology taught.
God created us upright and we instigated sin (Eccl 7:29). God made us innocent and we separate from Him when we sin (Isa 59:1-2). God calls mankind through the gospel (2 Thess 2:14).
May Adonai bless my fellow brethren
I believe that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves. We definitely need outside help. What I disagree with is what "dead" means. I see the Biblical concept of death to mean separation not cessation of life.
Adam and Eve were forced out of the garden of Eden where the tree of life was. They were separated from it.
James says the body without (separated from) the spirit is dead. But that doesn't mean that the spirit ceased to live.
Unregenerate humanity will in some sense be separated from God in hell, but they will not cease to live (what a horrible life).
Therefore, dead in trespasses and sins does not mean that we can't choose to seek God and cry out for his help. It means that we are separated from God and his life changing grace.
Well said!
Thanks for the Word, i guesss i had to hear that one...
We're called to bring the gospel, but most people, especially these preachers aren't bringing the gospel at all. They're way too worried about semantics, doctrines, theoretical technicalities and so on. On top of that they bring doom and gloom, not good news at all. We lost the true meaning of the gospel, good news and replaced it with a message of despair and hopelessness, driving sinners away from God. Jesus proclaimed AND demonstrated the good news, these men ramble empty words and do not demonstrate the goodness of God. Jesus went around DOING good, healing the sick and delivering the oppressed. These men don't do that, they only add to the sinner's burdens. The good news isn't told, much less demonstrated. The Lord confirmed the words of the early disciples by signs and wonders. If these men and your message was truly of God, He would confirm it by demonstrating His goodness. The absence of signs and wonders and miracles clearly confirms the true gospel isn't told.
It's not an issue of man's depravity that's hated, it's the idea of regeneration preceding faith. John said "these things are written so that you might believe, and in believing that you may have life though His name"
The gospel is not the power of God unto salvation when you have the doctrine of regeneration saying it's impossible for the dead to believe.
The problem is this idea of regeneration preceding faith is not on the bible. It is the calvinist idea that has been inserted On to the scriptures. Paul reminded us that faith comes by hearing the word of god. If the regeneration was necessary, He would have included that point. I do believe in divine election, But not in the way that a calvinist to means it. Read Adrian Roger's or A.W. Tozer
The Pelagians would have a word ...
A dead man cannot choose to follow a holy God. It is a logical impossibility
What he is saying here is not from the scripture. The word dead is not like a corpse, It means that we are not hearing it.And if we continue in our sins we will die because our soul died when adam sinned.
Regeneration preceding faith ??? last time I read the Bible it says you need faith to be regenerated.
@@toolegittoquit_001 Wow how easy are people deceived with Calvinism.
Total depravity is fine as long as you aren't mixing it with predestination
The Gospel is sufficient. Dont let the heretical Calvinists tell you that you can't believe.
My interpretation of why Calvinism is technically correct, is that it is the grace of God that saves people, and God knows who will and will not turn to Him. We don't know so we are supposed to share the word with everyone, but hell won't be empty.
@@mrcubsfan97arguably you have to believe the five points of Calvinism to be a calvinist. Knowing who will be saved and doesn't equal Calvinism. The ancient church most closely connected to the Apostolic authors never understood holy Scripture through a calvinistic lense (they were synergists). The Gospel was not "discovered" 1500+ years later by the reformers.
@@mrcubsfan97under Calvinism, it makes no eternal difference whether you ever share the Gospel with someone or not. Under Calvinism, there's no blood on oir hands. The man in the video basically said this quiet part out loud when he told parents to stop worrying about it. God will regenerate their kids if He wants. And if not, their kid is doomed and there's nothing they can do about it.
What a miserable and heretical doctrine.
@@RStark-ek7mhihear this often..what is Arminian in your view? I find most people don't even know what it is, and it's nearly always misrepresented in reformed circles. Arminianism also teaches total depravity
@@MrWitz90 You didn’t really listen to the entire video did you? You picked out something at the end that was supposed to be freeing because God does the saving (which is everywhere) after we preach the gospel to our children and nurture them in the Lord. By your comment are you saying we don’t relax and know their salvation is in God’s hands? If they don’t come in the end is that your fault? Now that is a burden and takes the sovereignty out of God’s hands and puts it into yours or theirs. Try to understand and not make assertions that aren’t true. Be blessed🙏✝️
I cannot stand this man. He is causing so much damage to his cult followers.
A 75 year old independent thinker.
The five-point Calvinists take total depravity too far. Yes we are depraved.. but all five points of Calvinism take things too far.
Nope. TULIP is the gospel. Or at least 4.5 of the 5 points are true. The L is half-true.
Can you clarify what you mean by “too far”? Honest question.
@@stevendrumm4957The Gospel is given to all men everywhere, and all men everywhere are given the free-will ability to accept or reject it. It's really that simple. That's the simplest understanding of Scripture that doesn't require a theologian jumping through linguistic hoops to reinterpet plain language.
@@MrWitz90 The will of mankind is not 'free' as in able to choose between good and evil on our own accord. We are bound by our inherent sin nature and Satan until God frees us at which point we WILL choose him because that's what freedom is.
25) Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth. 26) Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants. - 2 Timothy 2:25-26
5) Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6) So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7) For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8) That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. - Romans 8:5-8
15) For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!) - Romans 4:15
Fun story.
Total Depravity is not a Christian doctrine.
We are obligated and commanded to hate unbiblical doctrine such as reformed Calvinism.
Amen.
If you reject the absolute sovereignty of God in the salvation of sinners, then you reject the God of the bible.
@@hamtramckchronicles Please provide the Hebrew or Greek terms used for "sovereignty" in Scripture with verse references. Then we can determine if the Calvinistic definition of this term is accurate, or if it is man-made heresy. Thanks.
@@hamtramckchronicleswell because of Calvinism I have religious trauma
Incorrect. Arminianism gives us unmerited standing before God. It makes us lesser gods. If you want that then move to Salt Lake City.
Christians understand the assurance of salvation, those who are not sure they're saved or believed they have to work to be saved and hope that their works are good enough to be saved are the ones who do not believe and assured salvation.
When it said in the Bible that through foreknowledge that God knows who is saved means that people are predestined because he knows who will accept and who would not.
Unfortunately, John MacArthur believes that God will actually tell you no he will not save you and actively block you from being saved and then send you to hell for not receiving salvation that got himself actively blocked you from.
Terrible theology.
Also, Calvinism completely negates evangelism and makes it a moot point.
Wrong 🙄. Our Lord said “ Go make disciples “
@dkjazzz why? If the elect were selected at the dawn of time, there is no point in going out and making anything. Your either elect or not. Nothing you can do or not do can change that. There is no reason for Jesus to have given his life for sinners because they were either elect or not. God has the power to make his elect saved. There is no reason God would want a relationship with us at all. Since 99.999999% of his greatest creation, he made wrong at the dawn of time and will make them suffer because he made us wrong. Thanks John Calvin!
@@mrwednesdaynightAmen.. Calvinism is a lie of the devil, they do not believe in the Holy Gospel and they don't believe they need it because they believe they have been magically saved without choosing as God insists
@@mrwednesdaynight Roman 10 answers this question. The preaching and hearing of the Gospel of God's free and sovereign grace in the salvation of His people is the God ordained MEANS by which He draws his elect to Christ and justly hardens the reprobate. If you deny the doctrine of sovereign election, you believe a FALSE GOSPEL AND WORSHIP A FALSE CHRIST.
@@hamtramckchronicles so He wants to rub salt in the wound of the vast majority of humanity that He made wrong at the dawn of time? Worse than that, He wants you to go out there and do His end zone dance for Him? Are you sure this God you refer to is good?
"For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before him in love." Ephesians 1:4 (NET)
Yes He did , and what a Wonderful message that is to a guilty sinner , Hallelujah and God Bless !.
Did you notice the "us" in the passage? Do you notice the plural words used in context in verses 1-11? It is quite obvious that this does not speak of a single individual, but the "Church," the "Body of Christ." You have merely bought a Calvinist/Gnostic lottery ticket and think that you're a Millionaire!
If Calvinism were true, praying that God would save your child will have no effect on whether God saves your child. He made an arbitrary choice thousands of years ago. Neither you, your child nor God will ever change that.
Yep, and yes the doctrines of Grace are true. “ No one can come to me unless I draw him “
That’s absolute silliness! No Calvinist-including myself-believes what you just caricatured as “Calvinism.” Please, at least read a book! BTW, the Bible will do!!!
@robertgates1837 It is was what I learned from John Piper and James White and John Calvin. If they are wrong, please explain how and when the elect become the elect.
@@dkjazzzAre Calvin's honest to their children? Do they say, "I love you, but before you were born God might have determined you will be a reprobate and go to Hell. If so, the gospel cannot help you."
@@ronnieleonard8444 Of course not, because they are our children. Only Gods children will be called, and only Gods children will be saved
🧐 STILL looking for Scripture that supports this ... Nope. There's no reason to "blind the eyes of unbelievers" if people CAN'T believe. BESIDES ALL the Scriptures that tell us to CHOOSE, TURN, CONE TO ME, etc. God's telling us this, but then, "Oops, you CAN'T! SORRY. NOT an option, actually. " 🤔Hmmmm. Augustine or the Bible...JCalvin or Jesus Christ? As for me and my house... NOT THIS.
Total Depravity.
Enough said! This is Five Pillar Calvinism, not Christianity. And certainly not the Christianity of all ages, like Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints. These are not biblical doctrines: some, like total depravity, are gross exaggerations of scripture; while others, like unconditional election, are closer to Islamic doctrine, not even Christian doctrine at all.
All Christians should avoid Calvinism.
We must always remember that God wants our loved ones saved more then we do.
Absolutely! Calvinist doctrine makes man care more for the lost than God, who apparently just hates people because He wants to.
@@Nathannnnnnnnnn when I see or read where someone is asking God to save a loved one as if God can save someone against their will. God does not have a magic wond he can wave that just magically saves someone. I believe the biggest lie being taught is that God just controls everything. Just because it is labeled as Christian music does not mean what is being sung lines up with Gods word. Very often is doesn’t.
Thank you Todd! Blessings. We are but messengers of the Good News. God takes it from there. 🕊
At least one passage of Scripture would've been nice.
Because Calvinism does not need Scripture like you do! They use Scripture like a drunk uses a light post; for support and not enlightenment.
I guess Ephesians 2 doesn't count, then?
Do with this what you will…
John 9: 39Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” 40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” 41Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
Calvinism and total depravity is not biblical, brothers and sisters. It’s a trap. God didn’t elect specific people to be saved - but offers salvation to ALL. Of course we are dead in our sins and are sinful, but every person has a choice to either follow God or reject him.
It takes a theologian to make the gospel complicated.
People who want to spend their time interpreting Scripture instead of living it, have too much time on their hands.
Amen, amen, amen.