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So true, I’ve never really seen valid criticism of hers. I would understand if people disliked her cause she was mean, or stuck up but she actually seems so sweet. I think the only criticism of hers that I can agree with is her lying about her lip fillers, but I think she got them dissolved (correct me if I’m wrong)
people criticizing madison beer for saying her favorite book is Lolita even tho she herself was a girl being groomed and sexualized from the age of 13 feels......weird. like have we considered she maybe related to dolores in a way or are we just gonna assume the worst of her and also discredit this book that, while heavily portraying pedophilia, does not endorse it in any way and could resonate with a lot of young women who have been groomed by their own humberts
Agree, but also agree with her response to people, like that dark subject matter can be fun for lotsa people, but some people can’t handle it and also I think she should revisit it personally and see if she still likes it and also try and see if she can find a book she likes better, because then she would be reading which is good for her and also rereading it she could have more insight and fun with it
thats not why she was criticized. after saying her favorite book was lolita during a livestream someone commented “please don’t tell me you romanticize lolita” to which she responded “i definitely do but we’re not gonna talk about that”…
Wait, people were just sharing ***illegal*** nudes on Twitter? And then people dogpiled on the girl instead of the psycho that shared them? People are such trash.
It's the one thing I hope our generation is better at. There's no reason at all for her to have gone through all that horrific trauma and adults let her down like that. I never want to go back to how women were portrayed even just 10 year ago. It's sad thinking how I and many other women grew up with this treatment normalized. Eugh!! I sure hope we can all continue to grow, and continue to not put down other women just because of internalized misogyny 👏
the IRONY in jack saying 'you're a slut!!!' and then saying 'I am going to sleep with every girl in LA', This poor woman, the trauma that she had to go through as a young girl. Also, the word 'slut' was used so flippantly, as an insult back then that looking back, you know that there was no real insult that they could have used so they just went with the most horrid misogynically charged one
@@es1645 sleeping with people is so okay if you are safe and use protection and disclose your STD status!!!! but something tells me that men like him would be sad if their intimate partner wanted him to wear protection
@@gabi-eg7tg Bare in mind sleeping around may not be safe, you don't know if that random guy or girl you're sleeping with may poke holes in the condom or commit stealthing or commit other forms of SA, the risks are just too high.
wow David Dobrik really sucks. telling a woman you got off on what you thought was her underage, leaked nudes is not the compliment he thinks it is. she should've dropped him then!!
I saw this post on Instagram “what’s a celebrity you hate for no reason” and Madison was the most common name. I was mostly appalled 98% names were women but this makes it so much worse.
@@flowerheit4512literally! When I read the original comment I immediately thought about how I hate Matthew McConaughey but then I realized that I actually have reasons for that lol
As someone who only thought of Madison beer as "one of those tikTok girls who got famous for being pretty and doing dumb dance trends," this video has really opened my eyes to see that she's much, much more than that. From her abusive ex, to the leaked nudes, to the internet constantly dragging her name through the mud, ALL WHILE BEING A CHILD, I sincerely hope she is able to heal from everything she's been through and finds peace someday.
@@selenesaint they admit they didnt know much about her + were wrong about her - you don't have to be young have avoided really looking into a celebrity. some people just dont pay much attention to celebrity culture, honestly maybe those who look too much into it are the out of touch ones... what is your point in making this comment when og's changed their perception on her and wishes her the best?
Madison reminds me so much of Megan Fox; both starting in the media at young ages and being overly sexualized aswell as hated by the media for not apparent reason than just being associated with other people, being completely judged by anything they did and didn't.
I’m a huge monster high fan and like…. If someone on the spot asked me to explain “frights , camera, action” in an interview my brain would melt? There’s a bunch of random shit that happens ?? And explaining any of it would give away the entire twist ?
i always find it weird when ppl hate on women like madison for "setting unrealistic beauty standards" because these beauty standards are rooted by misogyny. madison is not a perpetrator, she is a victim of misogyny with or without plastic surgery
I haaaaate when people say that a woman is pushing unrealistic beauty standards just because she happens to be one of the few who fulfils those standards
i mean? one can be a victim and a perpetrator. i think the whole “setting unrealistic standards” thing is weird anyway, because it’s so bizarre to police people’s bodies like that. but you can be a victim and then perpetuate the harm.
The fact that taylor went so much out of his way to label madison as trash and s*ut makes me think that he definitely hit on her and she turned him down and he was pissy cause his fragile pride couldn't take it. Hes disgusting
@@astroblast2325 thank you for doing the research 🙏 I wasn't sure but I thought that quote had been around for a bit before that time period. And also that era of pop culture twitter was so rife with people tweeting cute or funny quotes as their own tweets so it was so hard to tell who were the originators
She kind of reminds me of Megan Fox, not just in looks but with all of the horrible stuff they went through, and the hate they both received from just ... being extremely pretty.
i think criticizing a girl whose body has been constantly scrutinized by grown ass people for her entire life for finding lolita particularly interesting is kind of fucking crazy. it's like people can't possible imagine this girl engaging in critical reading. maybe her words on the book weren't the best-thought but this assumption that someone's favorite book is their favorite because they relate to or agree with its narrator (especially in the case of a book like lolita!) is ridiculous.
they don't have critical thinking skills and no understanding of the book beyond the botched adaptations and they are going to take it out on everyone else.
@@kwangya yeah but especially considering her life story and waht she went through at such a young age, i don't know why ppl feel they should hate her for it. A lot of survivors are drawn to this book and it's probably a big reason why it's legacy remains so strong despite the countless botched adaptations. Maybe she relates to Dolores in some ways, maybe it helps her make sense of her situation, maybe she answered without really considering the weight of the question since she was on instagram live ???
@@lisafenzi9739 it’s different to romanticize the book and appreciate it bc u relate to a character. she clearly said she romanticizes it. there’s not an excuse. what is there to romanticize as a survivor on a book that is all abt how a 12yo is being groomed by a middle aged man, especially when the book is written by the pov of the pedophile?
right. just because I watch a Jeffrey Dahmer movie, that doesn't mean I think serial killers are cool. people can like darker media without it being a reflection on them
I won't lie, i completely respect madison for confronting that girl and for the way she did. You'll notice at the end of the clip she offered to speak in private and i think that is a very mature thing to do. It's really sad that she had to mature so quickly and that she had to go through so much on her own; i dont know her parents (obviously) but i think they suck.
It's really sad she had to, and infuriating she didn't get credit for it. You're right, that was the most mature and open minded response. Given all the insane arguments on video today, she needs props for that
Also, I really love these kinds of videos. Not to sound parasocial, but it reminds me of hanging out with your slightly tipsy friend as she infodumps about the internet rabbit hole she went down a few days ago. The drama is no stakes for you, you get to learn about some random thing that you never would have known about and everything is chill, fun and safe.
You should place an apostrophe between "girl" and the "s" that follows, i.e., "girl's." As your statement stands, your second sentence has incorrectly used the plural version of "girl."
@@edwarddorey4480Do you get off by correcting everyone’s grammar in the comment section? This isn’t the first comment of yours that I’ve seen doing this. Cringe.
It sounds like she was so exploited in other peoples quest for fame. It’s sad to hear she was so unprotected from harassment and abuse. I hope she’s getting the support and love she deserves!
dude the video of the girl screaming about how upset she is that madison is [allegedly] lying about having filler/plastic surgery is peak weirdo internet behavior imo.. very strange behavior to me
I genuinely hope she eventually talked to someone who could help her through her feelings instead of screaming online. Like, I sort of understand her point but her anger about it.... that's something else And celebrities telling us they DID have surgery... doesn't change the fact they're still good looking lol
This section pissed me off SO much because they’re basically just getting mad at Madison for being beautiful. Like just Madison existing is apparently “setting unrealistic beauty standards”… so what, Madison should change her face and body to please them? Is that not the problem women are complaining about? If you’re not beautiful you need to change and if you’re too beautiful you need to change. I can’t say whether Madison has had plastic surgery or uses photoshop or not but- I’ve seen plenty of women in person who are utterly gorgeous and have amazing bodies, it’s absolutely possible she really looks like that. The problem is how much society values beauty and makes women that aren’t beautiful feel worthless. The problem is that some girls feel bad because they’re not in the top 10% of beauty, not that those beautiful women exist.
I was looking for someone else talking about this. Very concerning for her to be that upset over another woman’s alleged filler and surgery. Screaming until your face turns red probably isn’t a healthy reaction lmfaoo. Embarrassing but hopefully she has grown since then.
her getting rumors and hate BECAUSE OF A WATTPAD FIC is so insane to me like 1) the fic itself was probably written by some young teen with imaginary beef with Madison Beer (mind-boggling) and 2) people believed it?? What happens if people ask for source? They link the Wattpad fic? I don't know much about Madison Beer outside of K/DA but jeez her antis are on a different level of hating. I wonder what makes people dislike her so much?
I didn’t realize her rise to fame was so tragic and horrifying. It’s insane how so many famous women’s horrific stories of abuse are simply brushed and glossed over and everyone forgets. So gross. (Before I get a nitpick response, I’m specifically referring to celebs in this context and I’m aware this happens to women as a whole, celeb or not.)
What do you mean brushed over? Rihanna's abuse by Chris Brown is talked about all the time his name is brought up ,also Taylor brings up names of her ex's and she's praised? Talk about having a victim mentality
@@umairashraf5167 just looked at your previous comments and replies to ppl on this channel and I'm not surprised you'd take my comment like this. Gross lmao. Good job. You mentioned 2 famous women (who are often berated and Chris brown is still praised).
@@SaintAvangelineand? IDK about Rihanna but Taylor still gets praise and admiration from her fans and peers for her lyrics of her ex's ,who actually likes Chris Brown? Cuz everytime I see his name brought up, people always bring up Rihanna Again y'all are stuck in this victim mentality which I find annoying because it's not like this happens every time , Madison still has fans and still is here despite everything and you all just take pity like she's dead.
I hate that we terrorize under aged girls for sexualizing themselves as if we don't live in a society that tells girls from a very young age that their only worth as a female is their sexual currency. As if we don't live in a society founded on the male gaze in which they will be sexualized anyway even if they do nothing, ESPECIALLY if they fit traditional beauty norms like Madison does.
That's bs to me,underage girls shouldn't and Should not be sexualized. what is this with "expressing yourself"? , sounds like something a pedo would say
@@recreatio really it’s societies fault she keeps on finding herself in these situations?, doctoring a story about your ex being abusive so you can win some sympathy points
The statement she published on IWD honestly gave me goosebumps bc u can feel how hard this must have been for her. The same thing happened to me when I was 15. It was terrifying. This almost made me cry cuz I can feel her pain. I feel rly bad for her and the things she has been thru
I will never stop defending Madison. She’s never made her personality and brand to be centered around the way she looks, she’s also extremely talented and makes some pretty good music, I very much enjoyed her album and her book. She’s an intelligent and well spoken girl who uses her privileged position to speak out about important issues like mental health and the dark side of Hollywood. She’ll forever be an inspiration me.💖
Describing Taylor Caniff as "local jar of radioactive mayonnaise" is one of the most accurately eloquent descriptions I've ever heard of a person. Thank you Ashley for giving me a new phrase to add to my insult vernacular
I’m realizing a lot of negative feelings I had towards Madison Beer when she first became famous were based in jealousy and misogyny. I think she was treated horribly by boys and men, but also by women and girls who should’ve stood by her more but couldn’t because of this inherent competitiveness and jealousy that can tinge our acceptance of beautiful and successful girls/women. she embodies the pitfalls of that kind of anti-feminism, because I think some of the intense attacks come from people who see her living this wattpad dream and want to take that from her or make that dream less appealing by ruining it for her… I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I’m excited to. Also the whole nepotism angle is soooooo annoying because even if the rumors are true this is how so many artists lie or fudge things to seem like they are more home grown. To be honest compared to someone like Dakota Johnson or Lily Rose Depp, this nepotism is like the least egregious case ever.
"She embodies the pitfalls of that kind of anti feminism" sounds like there is a kind of anti feminism that is good, so I hope ur journey is going well ❤️ lol
@@umairashraf5167 like she embodies the pitfalls of how people blinded by their own biased hate like oh shes a prettier girl thus i have to tear her down cuz that means im not as good that people were conditioned due to misogyny for eg, to see her as a person and just found whatever reason to get at her.
Lmao the fact that the girl became friends with Madison after that "fight" just shows Madison's character even more! That's iconic! I wished that I could win over my enemies
Do I care about Madison Beer or even know anything about her? No. Will I watch an hour and a half video because it's Ashley and she slays hardcore? Absolutely. The monster High drama on top of that and right at the beginning? Spoiling us lol Edit Madison Beer got treated like shit like she could NOT catch a break girl even got blamed for weird Wattpad story plots
This is perfect timing, recently she was trending on Twitter and I said to my sister, "People just be making bitches up. Who the hell is Madison Beer???" and my sister said "she's been around for like ten years???" and I was like "SINCE WHEN??????"
I also only realized who she was during the pandemic, just because she was on my fyp so much, and then learned I'd somehow missed her very established career for almost a decade
The Lolita situation is so dumb. Madison should not have had to apologize for saying she liked it. It’s a good book. A very dark and upsetting book, but a good book nonetheless. It’s absolutely not for everyone, but it does not make her somehow a bad person for liking it.
@@tinyh0rse Exactly. It's one thing to say you like the book because you understand the point of it. But it's... another to say you... "romanticize" it. That opens a whole other can of worms. Her response, however, was very well though out and approached with grace. If what she said was true, that she read that book "several years ago" (Which means she read this book as a... child... oof), she definitely does need to read it again in a new light, with more mature and older eyes. And from what I can glean from her past relationships... I can see why she "romanticized" it at first - to which I can fully understand. I really hope she has been, or will, heal from all that. Dealing with abuse is a severely damaging thing, especially if you were a child. It fucks you up psychologically in a way that is just... indescribable.
@@canariawingshe’s also a SA victim tho. of course romanticising it is icky, but i can kinda get why you’d want to reframe something like that and why she’d want to, even if i would never want to and don’t think it’s healthy. i still think her response was graceful though.
THANK YOU! It was so god awful, while making fun of someone, I cannot believe he didn't get absolutely flamed for that. YOU have sh*t to say when you're acting like THAT?
@@edwarddorey4480ew, why are all of your comments corrections? Ppl aren’t out here trying to write perfectly constructed sentences. You’re in the UA-cam comments.
The whole plastic surgery thing is actually really weird because if you look at it pictures of her when she’s not super glam she looks pretty similar to her old pictures. Her eyebrows look the same her nose was always small with a flat slope and she always had strong bone structure. Her lips are also a lot smaller without make up when she’s talking and stuff. The whole scandal is kind of weird because everybody got mad at her for lying but I don’t think she was.
she definitely was and still is… I think people were mad because she claims to be a really transparent person. Which she is to a certain extent. She has become the beauty standard, and continues to perpetuate unrealistic standards by not admitting to surgery
@@renuschmaya It’s still dumb bc there’s no way to know for sure and people are mad at her like she’s a confirmed liar. Only thing that looks different is her lips which she already admitted. She definitely could’ve been telling the truth
She is one of my favorite pop girlies out there. I have found a lot of comfort in her music and lyrics over the past four years and I think she honestly deserves way more than she has been given thus far. I hope people will at some point stop looking at her as just a pretty girl on social media and give her music a chance cause her vocals are truly incredible.
no one should have to experience so much misogyny & abuse, especially as a child. It’s horrible, and not to mention ILLEGAL, how people kept sharing those photos of her
On the plastic surgery subject I believe multiple plastic surgeons have already disagreed with Madison getting plastic surgery besides the lip fillers. So I’ll definitely believe them over insecure girls who want to blame naturally gorgeous woman for beauty standards. But that doesn’t take the credit away from the way you said it cuz you were right in both senses.
Really? I’ve seen videos of plastic surgeons pointing out the procedures she’s likely gotten. She looks very different in a way that can’t be chalked up to “puberty”. Maybe you are very young or just incredibly naive.
taylor caniff 100% reminds me of the guys that tried to hook up with me in HS, and when I rejected them, made it their life’s mission to sit behind me in every class and threat to “ruin my life with one picture”.
he would 100% be the guy you rejected who was originally like “you’re so pretty please go out with me” to “you’re so ugly. i would never go out with you.”
the “unrealistic beauty standards” complaint is so tired, no one owes you an explanation of their medical history just because they’re beautiful. also there are ways to change your face without surgery and filler, madison clearly has strong facial muscles, which is one of the reasons she looks so good. what are these girls gonna do when they find out some people are born good looking?
Right? Everytime I see that, it's almost always directed at someone who is more or less naturally gorgeous with genetic lottery. I assume everyone in Hollywood, men, women, and dogs, have gotten cosmetic procedures but they're not miracle cures. Look at Khloe Kardashian. She's gotten a lot of work done, it's SUPER obvious, and she looks Uncanny Valley whereas someone naturally beautiful, like Madison, doesn't have that same appeal.
and the crazy part is she was always gorgeous and faces develop so much over a life, i used to have a huge nose and it shrunk down as my face filled out, i cannot imagine what ppl would say of if i was famous like dissecting my features… so sad
watching that David Dobrik clip where he jokes about her nudes scandal after in the video we just heard about how long it took her to heal from is really heartbreaking. like I know in the clip she goes along with the joke but it made me upset for her
so many people failed her, so many people supported her abusers, everyone involved agents, parents, fans etc is responsible for the traumatization and abuse of this girl
The adults who spread her photograph should be in jail for distributing & possession of child pornography that is also revenge porn. The amount of adults and teens who did this are sex offenders just because it’s online doesn’t excuse or make it not as bad. I think people don’t grasp that this is the case because it’s online and they can’t see the person and it gives them some sick power.
this point definitely doesn’t compare to some of the larger devastating events she’s gone through but like after all of that, i can’t imagine people not even taking your sexuality label seriously. she came out as bisexual and people were like .. “nope. you’re not sorry.” like jesus christ, let the girl have ONE THING.
Listen I love Madison to pieces and have been following her since 2012-13, went to her concert but sadly didn’t get m&g tickets, but she herself said she isn’t bisexual in a live in like 2015
not to be like, a downer or an "uhm axshelly" kinda guy but ... unfortunately that is a very common experience for bisexuals. 🥲 it's either that or people just go "ok" and then sweep it under the rug and completely ~forget~ about it. it's a rite of passage, at this point.
@@selinkorkmaz1019 its almost like people are IN the closet and then COME OUT of the closet, thats kinda how this whole thing goes, that was 8 years ago and this is today
Clarifying the alegriers drama (as someone who witnessed it real time): Ale was a magcon stan living in LA. She had constant run ins with the guys, not enough to be close or anything but they definitely remembered her from meeting so many times. Hated Madison for whatever reason (at the time she said Madison was rude to her friends). Ale had a fan meet up at the Grove - just a bunch of teens on twitter wanting to make friends. That same day, Madison was coincidentally also at the Grove meeting fans of her own. They told Madison that Ale (the girl who threatened her on Twitter) was there and Madison sought her out to confront her irl. Ale was caught off guard and didn't expect to fight at the Grove of all places, hence the awkwardness. They talked everything out on the spot and were fine after.
it genuinely irks me that people still overlook her talents and see her as this pretty online influencer when clearly she's more than that??? THIS GIRL CAN SING AND WRITE
The more I see deep dives about influencers who were online from a young age, and the more I realize how many adults failed and even worsened the trauma that these young kids went through. Madison went through so much awful shit at incredibly formative years in her life. She’s a very strong woman
The amount of misogyny and crimes and weird shit she's faced and everything she faced since day one, is AWFUL! Im truly so happy she survived and she made it this far. Even her being here and esp to this level is really impressive.
1:09:30 - This girl’s misplaced, projected anger is disturbing. That level of vitriol for a stranger is a terrifying example of parasocial obsession. An average person would get a restraining order against someone screeching at and about them that way. Unacceptable behavior, even for a teenager.
I didn't think I was too old but I have literally heard of NONE of the major characters mentioned in this video. Who is Taylor Caniff? Who is Jack Gilinsky? 😭
I’m only 40 min through and the fact that madison still interacts with the male species is astounding… she has been treated so badly over and over again. I would for sure be celibate forever oh my lord
every time i go into one of these videos, i feel very lukewarm on the celebrity and by the end i realize that my impression of them is entirely based on the opinions of people on the internet who know nothing about these people. thank you for always being reasonable and empathetic in a space where that is not very common, and thank you for always reminded me to think twice before i judge someone famous based on what people say on the internet.
I think that her biggest issue is her beauty. She’s just a breathtaking person, she’s VERY pretty and that causes a lot of negative reactions from people. She also has the face of a typical high school bully which make people hate her just by how she looks but she seems like a sweet girl. Sadly, people don’t want to see that and judge her based on how she looks and I also think thats why her music career hasn’t taken off, she’s not able to be taken seriously. Even being too pretty has its disadvantages.
I think pretty privilege is real but it’s fleeting and for as many real advantages it gives you in life, it also puts a very real target on your back for the absolute worst of humanity.
100% this, shes BEEN a pretty girl and i think the gut reaction for a lot of girls is to want to believe that there must be something faked there. i feel like shes almost 'too pretty' to be taken seriously which is unfortunate
Madison Beer reminds me of Megan Fox because they both shared the same issues. The film "Malena" did a great job analyzing how society treats beautiful women and they're often treated as a threat until either get married or dress themselves down.
This honestly made me tear up. This feel like your most objective observation of a celebrity, and its just so kind and understanding. I didn’t know much about Madison before watching this but I will definitely look into her more now. I HIGHLY suggest an Acacia Brinley deep dive next. She had a very similar start on the internet. Could be really interesting to have parallel story.
To add a little extra context to the monster high thing (as a 12 year old goth at the time) if you had a subscription to the magazine, the We Are Monster High song was set up as a contest. The magazine had the lyrics and you could send in a video of you singing it for a chance to do what Madison ended up doing. I don’t recall seeing the confirmation of the “winner”. Just monster high posting the music video with Madison. It made sense they went for someone who was already in the industry but I remember how unfair it felt at the time. So I think that’s why there were so many kids with the “it should have been me” mentality.
It took me a few hours after watching this to realize that when you said “she was supposed to be in the video” you didn’t mean YOUR video. I had completely accepted the new reality that you’re somehow connected to Madison Beer with no question
I see a lot of similarities between Madison Beer and Acacia Brinley when it comes to being a vulnerable young woman that was gr00med at a young age and eventually became the internet’s punching bag
As a tween I didn’t know how to describe when someone felt racist because I didn’t know what a micro aggression was, but Magcons existence felt like a hate crime even back then. Then came Shawn Mentos’ “Light skins are better” and everything that came out of the rest of their mouths, so…it was validated
Her mom’s the villain of this story, oof. Especially with the stuff about Colleen Ballinger coming to light, I totally get the “it’s weird to be besties with and heavily rely on a fan” take. There’s an inherent power imbalance in that relationship that could easily be taken advantage of.
@@suoutubez19 NO FR. I didn’t know about all of this stuff with her mom but she always posts about her and I thought her and her mom were close with this amazing relationship. Kind of sounds like her mom exploited her and didn’t protect her
@@heathermartin7459unfortunately it's often both. When an abuser is involved in your formative years, you can be really close to them and rely on them and defy them receiving justice for what they did to you while also knowing and seeing what they did to you as it is
I’ve been interested in her ever since she sang a part of Popstars by KDA since I’m a league player. Never really heard about her despite the fact that she seems pretty famous so looking forward to this
I was so surprised she didn’t blow up after that. She kinda slayed as Evelynn at the world finals. Don’t even get me started on Villain with Kim Petras, that song is pure electro pop perfection
I first found out about Madison Beer through this insane rumour that spread among my classmates when we were 13 that Madison was in a long distance relationship with one of the popular boys. I even saw her Facebook ‘page’ where ‘she’ took photos holding a white piece of paper with my classmates’ name on them. Me being an idiot 13 year old kind of believed it and was amazed that some up and coming singer affiliated with Justin Bieber was dating some random schoolboy from one of the poorest parts of London lmao. There was even some beef between imaginary-Madison and a popular girl who was pissed that she slid into her boyfriend’s inbox. I don’t know how that entire situation fell apart but a few years later I heard that it was all fake and some girl from our school had made a fake Facebook page. It is absolutely hysterical to look back on that entire situation because everybody in my year group was convinced. Even though this is obviously not a canon part of the Madison Beer lore, I still consider it to be.
this is so sad i watched the whole thing not knowing much about Madison but after seeing this i feel so sorry for this girl. the internet is such a nasty place.
I feel so bad for her. She's been through a lot of shit and the internet gave her hell, shit-piling and slut shaming her for being a conventionally attractive woman. The internet wouldn't let her rest, taking joy in destroying her image while she was trying to exist. This is truly something I will never understand nor forgive the whole world for it. My blood still boils when I see unnecessary hatred is thrown at all because its part of a stupid hate bandwagon.
I think one thing this video has really solidified in my mind is that twitter is just a cesspool. As a person without twitter I don’t think I really realized that until watching this. It feels like so much of this story takes place on the feeds of twitter.
In his statement- he says: "if she didn't help me overcome my ways and change"..that is never, ever YOUR responsibility and if you feel this way about a partner, leave. Or at least seek therapy and support. It isn't healthy to feel the need to "help" someone else be a better person. There's a difference between growing together and changing over time VS expecting others to carry the responsibility of your shitty ways. I wish I would have learned this a long time ago. Sincerely- a former "ride or die" "you can fix him" woman.
I wonder what attracts such a critical fanbase to women like madison beer and best dressed. it must be exhausting always having to apologize or address something that no one would care about if it was another public figure
i feel so bad for madison. after reading her memoir i just felt so much empathy for her. i’m the same age as madison & i could not imagine going through that much internet scrutiny during my preteen/teen years!!! like my god she never did anything bad??!! i knew people hated her, but I never really kept up with her or her music. i figured people at least had SOME reason to hate her SO MUCH but there was really no reason??? i wish we could’ve seen what madison would’ve done with her talent when she was first discovered! she could’ve been one of the big pop girlies!! i feel like her parents could’ve done a lot more to protect her. i don’t doubt scooter braun played a huge role in not protecting her either i mean he barely protected justin bieber. ugh it makes me so mad!!! she seems like such a genuine person who was a victim of fandom’s jealousy. i mean props to her for still being in the spotlight i would’ve taken that ticket back to long island and changed my identity if i were her at 16. seriously wishing nothing but the best for her
you need to make a 5sos deep dive 🙏🏻 i just know it'll be hilarious and the fandom has many unhinged stories. madison was everywhere atp and i remember her being friends with them too lol
@@ashleynortonLuke Hemmings’ ex girlfriend Arzaylea deserves her own deep dive tbh.☠️ After her and Luke broke up, she dated Lil Peep… until he died. I heard she tried selling Lil Peep merch to make money afterwards?! I just remember it being MESSY🧍♀️
@@ashleynortonbeing a fan of theirs was honestly a mess and almost traumatic. the mess with them having groupies, beef with 5h, them trying hard to be respected as musicians but just being seen as kids, then their girlfriends… even till recently michael’s wife making group chats with young fans to get them to trend a hashtag against another member in the band. I love their music and have grown up being a fan but there’s been awful drama they have been through and caused.
I remember when Madison’s nudes got leaked! She’s my age and it was my first experience hearing about someone’s having their revenge porn leaked and it was nauseating. Such a horrible thing for such a young girl to have gone through.
I genuinely feel as though most of the intense hatred for Madison, especially from young girls, stems from jealousy and insecurity around physical appearance. I think because she was so young and went from being completely unknown to this huge up and coming celebrity overnight, a lot of people compared themselves to her as Ashley alluded to and wished that it was them getting discovered on youtube by Justin Bieber (even though that's not exactly how it happened). I feel like it just shows how much our obsession with beauty and celebrity, especially in regards to women, hurt everyone. I think it's difficult for people to see her as more than a conventionally attractive, thin white girl and believe that she too can have problems with body image, mental health, and in her personal life. She seems like a very sweet, resilient person and I hope people stop dogpiling on her
Idk why people are mad she sold her monster high doll??? If she didnt appreciate the doll its way better for her to sell it to someone who actually wants it like you said
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ive been following mad since 2012-13.
the amount of hate shes been getting has always been rooted in nothung but teenage jealousy.
the hate towards her is a mixture of jealousy & sexism
Completely agree
So true, I’ve never really seen valid criticism of hers. I would understand if people disliked her cause she was mean, or stuck up but she actually seems so sweet. I think the only criticism of hers that I can agree with is her lying about her lip fillers, but I think she got them dissolved (correct me if I’m wrong)
Exactly. She just minds her business and makes music.
spot on
No it's also because of her saying the n word and using the black lives matter protest as a photoshoot.
'Do not date a man who humps the floor for clout' is a fucking iconic line.
I’m gonna get it tattooed as a tramp stamp
@@sparksflylove 👌✨
And a great piece of advice, tbh! 😅
Madison is a victim of the internet in every sense.
She deserves sm better
Lol no she isn't. She's a wealthy connected white girl. She sucks.
@@Beautyg111rl it's also because of her saying the n word and using the black lives matter protest as a photoshoot
@@KaydenVelasquez-y8jshe didn’t say the n word and she’s been hated wayyyyy before 2020
@@KaydenVelasquez-y8jgirl that shit never happened yall literally believe anything
people criticizing madison beer for saying her favorite book is Lolita even tho she herself was a girl being groomed and sexualized from the age of 13 feels......weird. like have we considered she maybe related to dolores in a way or are we just gonna assume the worst of her and also discredit this book that, while heavily portraying pedophilia, does not endorse it in any way and could resonate with a lot of young women who have been groomed by their own humberts
yeah, it’s also an objectively well written novel. you can like frankenstein without relating to dr frankenstein too.
Agree, but also agree with her response to people, like that dark subject matter can be fun for lotsa people, but some people can’t handle it and also I think she should revisit it personally and see if she still likes it and also try and see if she can find a book she likes better, because then she would be reading which is good for her and also rereading it she could have more insight and fun with it
Right? A lot of people with trauma tend to read books and watch movies that involve that trauma to see others' POVs even if they're fictional.
she also said that she was sa’ed and s** abused at age of 6, so sad…
thats not why she was criticized. after saying her favorite book was lolita during a livestream someone commented “please don’t tell me you romanticize lolita” to which she responded “i definitely do but we’re not gonna talk about that”…
Wait, people were just sharing ***illegal*** nudes on Twitter? And then people dogpiled on the girl instead of the psycho that shared them? People are such trash.
And sadly it’s not the only time it happened. Acacia Brinley went through basically the same thing. Beyond gross
Pretty sure it happened to charli and Dixie damelio too
It's the one thing I hope our generation is better at. There's no reason at all for her to have gone through all that horrific trauma and adults let her down like that. I never want to go back to how women were portrayed even just 10 year ago. It's sad thinking how I and many other women grew up with this treatment normalized. Eugh!! I sure hope we can all continue to grow, and continue to not put down other women just because of internalized misogyny 👏
and david dobrick saying he did those things to videos of who he thought was a underage girl like wtf
@@ashleynorton this was absolutely the norm in 2014. even "woke" stan twitter wouldnt do anything about it
the IRONY in jack saying 'you're a slut!!!' and then saying 'I am going to sleep with every girl in LA', This poor woman, the trauma that she had to go through as a young girl. Also, the word 'slut' was used so flippantly, as an insult back then that looking back, you know that there was no real insult that they could have used so they just went with the most horrid misogynically charged one
Girls like her call every Tik Tok guy a 'fuckboy' I don't see why she would be upset at the word 'slut'.
I found that comment to be so weird. Like ok? Have fun at the std clinic. Who sleeps with people outta spite 💀
@@es1645 sleeping with people is so okay if you are safe and use protection and disclose your STD status!!!! but something tells me that men like him would be sad if their intimate partner wanted him to wear protection
@@es1645 My sister's toxic bf, and he said that it front her face.😀
@@gabi-eg7tg Bare in mind sleeping around may not be safe, you don't know if that random guy or girl you're sleeping with may poke holes in the condom or commit stealthing or commit other forms of SA, the risks are just too high.
wow David Dobrik really sucks. telling a woman you got off on what you thought was her underage, leaked nudes is not the compliment he thinks it is. she should've dropped him then!!
he needs to be put on some sort of panel to answer for his long list of crimes
My jaw genuinely dropped that is UNHINGED
That’s literal child p
PUT him on the sex offender list.
He's so fucking weird
“Gorgeous girl at 14.” Can we PLEASE stop this creepiness!!!
Ikr, that was so GROSS and CREEPYYYY!!!
I snapped my neck to look at the screen bc i couldn’t believe what that man said….
so glad i wasn’t the only one who caught that
He said 13 not 14
@@briansupermega5692that's WORSE 😭😭
I saw this post on Instagram “what’s a celebrity you hate for no reason” and Madison was the most common name. I was mostly appalled 98% names were women but this makes it so much worse.
sadly it doesn’t surprise me that most of them were women, it still makes me really upset though 💔
@@heyitsrin6556i guess I hope that the reason they were mostly women is that men celebrities seem to always give us a reason to hate them
@@flowerheit4512literally! When I read the original comment I immediately thought about how I hate Matthew McConaughey but then I realized that I actually have reasons for that lol
Anne Hathaway is another one. Literally the most inoffensive celebrity I could think of yet people/tabloids were ruthless about her
@@Handwoven8138she is genuinely one of my favorite celebrities! She’s so sweet and genuine!
As someone who only thought of Madison beer as "one of those tikTok girls who got famous for being pretty and doing dumb dance trends," this video has really opened my eyes to see that she's much, much more than that. From her abusive ex, to the leaked nudes, to the internet constantly dragging her name through the mud, ALL WHILE BEING A CHILD, I sincerely hope she is able to heal from everything she's been through and finds peace someday.
Am glad am not the only one who thought this 😅
Her voice is soooo good how can ppl not see this
@@selenesaint they admit they didnt know much about her + were wrong about her - you don't have to be young have avoided really looking into a celebrity. some people just dont pay much attention to celebrity culture, honestly maybe those who look too much into it are the out of touch ones...
what is your point in making this comment when og's changed their perception on her and wishes her the best?
@@selenesaintpeople like you who constantly bring out the insult of young age are so boring.
@@tenzinselden3533 true... she is a super talented girl but people overlook that and only focus on her looks.
Madison reminds me so much of Megan Fox; both starting in the media at young ages and being overly sexualized aswell as hated by the media for not apparent reason than just being associated with other people, being completely judged by anything they did and didn't.
Her vibe always reminded me a bit of Megan Fox. I think she got a lot of intense hate out of jealousy
They both suck.
They both look alike. Maggie Lindemann has a similar story as well and she also kind of looks like both of them
it’s insane how society picks and chooses how to treat very pretty people. either you become a fav in hollywood or bullied relentlessly
I’m a huge monster high fan and like…. If someone on the spot asked me to explain “frights , camera, action” in an interview my brain would melt? There’s a bunch of random shit that happens ?? And explaining any of it would give away the entire twist ?
She was just avoiding spoilers
frights camera action is such a hot mess tbh, i'm big into MH but its honestly one of the messiest movies (boovies) ive ever seen
What the hell by PINK??? Girl show Avril some respect 😤😝
That’s what I was thinking LOL
I was searching for my fellow Avril fans in the comments because I knew someone had to have also noticed that lmao
legit i got So Confused like... ????????????
isn't it SO WHAT by Pink??
cancelling myself immediately. I failed our Canadian pop punk queen
i always find it weird when ppl hate on women like madison for "setting unrealistic beauty standards" because these beauty standards are rooted by misogyny. madison is not a perpetrator, she is a victim of misogyny with or without plastic surgery
also at this point in time, we need to move forward from villainising people who undergo cosmetic surgeries.
Yes cause why she is being blamed about a whole societal issue?? And one that also actively harms her??
I haaaaate when people say that a woman is pushing unrealistic beauty standards just because she happens to be one of the few who fulfils those standards
@@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123 she’s naturally stunning, but she’s certainly gotten something done.
i mean? one can be a victim and a perpetrator. i think the whole “setting unrealistic standards” thing is weird anyway, because it’s so bizarre to police people’s bodies like that. but you can be a victim and then perpetuate the harm.
The fact that taylor went so much out of his way to label madison as trash and s*ut makes me think that he definitely hit on her and she turned him down and he was pissy cause his fragile pride couldn't take it. Hes disgusting
i’d bet my life that this is 100% correct
i was thinking this 🙄🙄
His behavior made it sooooo obvious that this is exactly what happened
it never ceases to amaze me how hurt and terrified men are of women having multiple partners during their course of life
What
@@layton6202 youre one of them my guy. We both know why you commented all over this comment section😂
@@huhs112 what
I love Jack's argument of "Yeah, I verbally abused her, but she POSTED about it ANONYMOUSLY, so who is really the bad guy here?".
She is what she did was a very predatory form of manipulation
MADISON MADE THAT WHY BE RACIST WHEN YOU CAN BE QUIET QUOTE??? It’s so iconic I’ve seen it everywhere for years now, what an icon!
She didn't first tweet it, I had to look it up, lol. It was a guy named Brandon who first coined the quote
@@astroblast2325 thank you for doing the research 🙏 I wasn't sure but I thought that quote had been around for a bit before that time period. And also that era of pop culture twitter was so rife with people tweeting cute or funny quotes as their own tweets so it was so hard to tell who were the originators
I remember seeing a picture of frank ocean wearing a tshirt with that quote on, in tumblr Years ago. But I dont know What happened first..
I seriously doubt she came up with it, I saw it on tumblr back in like 2013 on t shirts
@@papadzulesI also saw Michael Clifford wearing a shirt that had that quote, but that was from around 2018
She kind of reminds me of Megan Fox, not just in looks but with all of the horrible stuff they went through, and the hate they both received from just ... being extremely pretty.
True but Madison is more beautiful than Megan, objectively.
@@essies4294I'll take "Completely missing the point" for 500 points!
Beauty isn't objective. They're both extremely conventionally attractive. Which is more depends on the person asked.
Megan Fox isn't really that sane of a person tbf,anyone who likes mgk is a little crazy
@@umairashraf5167weird take. She’s very intelligent and aware
i think criticizing a girl whose body has been constantly scrutinized by grown ass people for her entire life for finding lolita particularly interesting is kind of fucking crazy. it's like people can't possible imagine this girl engaging in critical reading. maybe her words on the book weren't the best-thought but this assumption that someone's favorite book is their favorite because they relate to or agree with its narrator (especially in the case of a book like lolita!) is ridiculous.
they don't have critical thinking skills and no understanding of the book beyond the botched adaptations and they are going to take it out on everyone else.
i mean.. it's not like her words were taken out of context since she herself said she romanticized the book.
@@kwangya yeah but especially considering her life story and waht she went through at such a young age, i don't know why ppl feel they should hate her for it. A lot of survivors are drawn to this book and it's probably a big reason why it's legacy remains so strong despite the countless botched adaptations. Maybe she relates to Dolores in some ways, maybe it helps her make sense of her situation, maybe she answered without really considering the weight of the question since she was on instagram live ???
@@lisafenzi9739 it’s different to romanticize the book and appreciate it bc u relate to a character. she clearly said she romanticizes it. there’s not an excuse. what is there to romanticize as a survivor on a book that is all abt how a 12yo is being groomed by a middle aged man, especially when the book is written by the pov of the pedophile?
right. just because I watch a Jeffrey Dahmer movie, that doesn't mean I think serial killers are cool. people can like darker media without it being a reflection on them
I won't lie, i completely respect madison for confronting that girl and for the way she did. You'll notice at the end of the clip she offered to speak in private and i think that is a very mature thing to do. It's really sad that she had to mature so quickly and that she had to go through so much on her own; i dont know her parents (obviously) but i think they suck.
It's really sad she had to, and infuriating she didn't get credit for it. You're right, that was the most mature and open minded response. Given all the insane arguments on video today, she needs props for that
You sound very young
Also, I really love these kinds of videos. Not to sound parasocial, but it reminds me of hanging out with your slightly tipsy friend as she infodumps about the internet rabbit hole she went down a few days ago. The drama is no stakes for you, you get to learn about some random thing that you never would have known about and everything is chill, fun and safe.
Absolutely!!
Why did she have pay someone to take down videos of child porn? That’s fully what it was.
Didn’t know much about Madison before this vid. But this girls life after becoming famous is literally depressing and devastating Fr. This poor girl.
You should place an apostrophe between "girl" and the "s" that follows, i.e., "girl's." As your statement stands, your second sentence has incorrectly used the plural version of "girl."
@@edwarddorey4480Do you get off by correcting everyone’s grammar in the comment section? This isn’t the first comment of yours that I’ve seen doing this. Cringe.
@@SaintAvangeline Good God, I do.
@@edwarddorey4480 well no one's impressed so maybe put an end to that
@@edwarddorey4480using correct punctuation is not important in a youtube comment
It sounds like she was so exploited in other peoples quest for fame. It’s sad to hear she was so unprotected from harassment and abuse. I hope she’s getting the support and love she deserves!
❤❤❤❤
nothing will ever top the pure serviage of “who’s ur friend????” like she really conquered that entire interaction i can’t lie
dude the video of the girl screaming about how upset she is that madison is [allegedly] lying about having filler/plastic surgery is peak weirdo internet behavior imo.. very strange behavior to me
I genuinely hope she eventually talked to someone who could help her through her feelings instead of screaming online. Like, I sort of understand her point but her anger about it.... that's something else
And celebrities telling us they DID have surgery... doesn't change the fact they're still good looking lol
This section pissed me off SO much because they’re basically just getting mad at Madison for being beautiful. Like just Madison existing is apparently “setting unrealistic beauty standards”… so what, Madison should change her face and body to please them? Is that not the problem women are complaining about? If you’re not beautiful you need to change and if you’re too beautiful you need to change.
I can’t say whether Madison has had plastic surgery or uses photoshop or not but- I’ve seen plenty of women in person who are utterly gorgeous and have amazing bodies, it’s absolutely possible she really looks like that. The problem is how much society values beauty and makes women that aren’t beautiful feel worthless. The problem is that some girls feel bad because they’re not in the top 10% of beauty, not that those beautiful women exist.
I was looking for someone else talking about this. Very concerning for her to be that upset over another woman’s alleged filler and surgery. Screaming until your face turns red probably isn’t a healthy reaction lmfaoo. Embarrassing but hopefully she has grown since then.
and even if madison beer got surgeries which she didnt, she would still look like MADISON BEER, just with surgeries.
That video was scary
her getting rumors and hate BECAUSE OF A WATTPAD FIC is so insane to me like 1) the fic itself was probably written by some young teen with imaginary beef with Madison Beer (mind-boggling) and 2) people believed it?? What happens if people ask for source? They link the Wattpad fic? I don't know much about Madison Beer outside of K/DA but jeez her antis are on a different level of hating. I wonder what makes people dislike her so much?
It‘s insane bc to this day I still see people say those rumors without even knowing where they stem from
misogyny
I didn’t realize her rise to fame was so tragic and horrifying. It’s insane how so many famous women’s horrific stories of abuse are simply brushed and glossed over and everyone forgets. So gross.
(Before I get a nitpick response, I’m specifically referring to celebs in this context and I’m aware this happens to women as a whole, celeb or not.)
What do you mean brushed over? Rihanna's abuse by Chris Brown is talked about all the time his name is brought up ,also Taylor brings up names of her ex's and she's praised?
Talk about having a victim mentality
@@umairashraf5167 just looked at your previous comments and replies to ppl on this channel and I'm not surprised you'd take my comment like this. Gross lmao.
Good job. You mentioned 2 famous women (who are often berated and Chris brown is still praised).
@@SaintAvangelineand? IDK about Rihanna but Taylor still gets praise and admiration from her fans and peers for her lyrics of her ex's ,who actually likes Chris Brown? Cuz everytime I see his name brought up, people always bring up Rihanna
Again y'all are stuck in this victim mentality which I find annoying because it's not like this happens every time , Madison still has fans and still is here despite everything and you all just take pity like she's dead.
I hate that we terrorize under aged girls for sexualizing themselves as if we don't live in a society that tells girls from a very young age that their only worth as a female is their sexual currency. As if we don't live in a society founded on the male gaze in which they will be sexualized anyway even if they do nothing, ESPECIALLY if they fit traditional beauty norms like Madison does.
That's bs to me,underage girls shouldn't and Should not be sexualized. what is this with "expressing yourself"? , sounds like something a pedo would say
Blaming society for what you do can only go so far before it’s just you
@@layton6202 it is society's fault though, for the most part
@@recreatio really it’s societies fault she keeps on finding herself in these situations?, doctoring a story about your ex being abusive so you can win some sympathy points
@@layton6202 jack being verbally abusive is a fact though? there is video proof
People literally hate this girl...because she's pretty...that's all I got from people constantly attacking her.
The statement she published on IWD honestly gave me goosebumps bc u can feel how hard this must have been for her. The same thing happened to me when I was 15. It was terrifying. This almost made me cry cuz I can feel her pain. I feel rly bad for her and the things she has been thru
I’m so sorry that happened to you
I will never stop defending Madison. She’s never made her personality and brand to be centered around the way she looks, she’s also extremely talented and makes some pretty good music, I very much enjoyed her album and her book. She’s an intelligent and well spoken girl who uses her privileged position to speak out about important issues like mental health and the dark side of Hollywood. She’ll forever be an inspiration me.💖
Describing Taylor Caniff as "local jar of radioactive mayonnaise" is one of the most accurately eloquent descriptions I've ever heard of a person. Thank you Ashley for giving me a new phrase to add to my insult vernacular
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!! LIKE IT COULD NOT GET ANYMORE ACCURATE
I’m realizing a lot of negative feelings I had towards Madison Beer when she first became famous were based in jealousy and misogyny. I think she was treated horribly by boys and men, but also by women and girls who should’ve stood by her more but couldn’t because of this inherent competitiveness and jealousy that can tinge our acceptance of beautiful and successful girls/women. she embodies the pitfalls of that kind of anti-feminism, because I think some of the intense attacks come from people who see her living this wattpad dream and want to take that from her or make that dream less appealing by ruining it for her… I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I’m excited to. Also the whole nepotism angle is soooooo annoying because even if the rumors are true this is how so many artists lie or fudge things to seem like they are more home grown. To be honest compared to someone like Dakota Johnson or Lily Rose Depp, this nepotism is like the least egregious case ever.
Yyhyay
"She embodies the pitfalls of that kind of anti feminism" sounds like there is a kind of anti feminism that is good, so I hope ur journey is going well ❤️ lol
What do you mean by that she "embodies pitfalls of anti-feminism" can you elaborate please?
I agree, it was so awful!
@@umairashraf5167 like she embodies the pitfalls of how people blinded by their own biased hate like oh shes a prettier girl thus i have to tear her down cuz that means im not as good that people were conditioned due to misogyny for eg, to see her as a person and just found whatever reason to get at her.
Lmao the fact that the girl became friends with Madison after that "fight" just shows Madison's character even more! That's iconic! I wished that I could win over my enemies
Not far into the video at all and already put off by the news man saying “gorgeous girl at 13” idk if that was necessary sir
Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one
Totally agree. That was probably just the tip of the iceberg
Do I care about Madison Beer or even know anything about her? No. Will I watch an hour and a half video because it's Ashley and she slays hardcore? Absolutely. The monster High drama on top of that and right at the beginning? Spoiling us lol
Edit Madison Beer got treated like shit like she could NOT catch a break girl even got blamed for weird Wattpad story plots
This is perfect timing, recently she was trending on Twitter and I said to my sister, "People just be making bitches up. Who the hell is Madison Beer???" and my sister said "she's been around for like ten years???" and I was like "SINCE WHEN??????"
I also only realized who she was during the pandemic, just because she was on my fyp so much, and then learned I'd somehow missed her very established career for almost a decade
@@ashleynortonfunnily enough she‘s one of the only celebrities I‘ve known for almost her entire career, I felt like I grew up with her
The Lolita situation is so dumb. Madison should not have had to apologize for saying she liked it. It’s a good book. A very dark and upsetting book, but a good book nonetheless. It’s absolutely not for everyone, but it does not make her somehow a bad person for liking it.
I agree though I think her response was very thoughtful and kind.
I don’t think it was necessarily the fact that she likes the book that caused the backlash, but that she said she “definitely” romanticizes the novel
@@tinyh0rse Exactly. It's one thing to say you like the book because you understand the point of it. But it's... another to say you... "romanticize" it. That opens a whole other can of worms.
Her response, however, was very well though out and approached with grace. If what she said was true, that she read that book "several years ago" (Which means she read this book as a... child... oof), she definitely does need to read it again in a new light, with more mature and older eyes.
And from what I can glean from her past relationships... I can see why she "romanticized" it at first - to which I can fully understand. I really hope she has been, or will, heal from all that. Dealing with abuse is a severely damaging thing, especially if you were a child. It fucks you up psychologically in a way that is just... indescribable.
people weren't upset at her for liking the book. they were upset because she said she romanticizes it.
@@canariawingshe’s also a SA victim tho. of course romanticising it is icky, but i can kinda get why you’d want to reframe something like that and why she’d want to, even if i would never want to and don’t think it’s healthy. i still think her response was graceful though.
Thank you for doing the investigations police are too inept and cowardly to attempt
this is some powerful work that youtubers are doing indeed
Hearing that “freestyle rap”?????? Was so painful
THANK YOU! It was so god awful, while making fun of someone, I cannot believe he didn't get absolutely flamed for that. YOU have sh*t to say when you're acting like THAT?
can’t wait to learn about someone i have never heard of
*of whom I have never heard. I recommend not putting prepositions at the end of clauses.
@@edwarddorey4480I love you, I agree with little grammatical and sentence things like this
@cheribitch5396 You didn't even use a period, though. 😂
@@edwarddorey4480ew, why are all of your comments corrections? Ppl aren’t out here trying to write perfectly constructed sentences. You’re in the UA-cam comments.
Me every time I click on an Ashley Norton video
The whole plastic surgery thing is actually really weird because if you look at it pictures of her when she’s not super glam she looks pretty similar to her old pictures. Her eyebrows look the same her nose was always small with a flat slope and she always had strong bone structure. Her lips are also a lot smaller without make up when she’s talking and stuff. The whole scandal is kind of weird because everybody got mad at her for lying but I don’t think she was.
she definitely was and still is… I think people were mad because she claims to be a really transparent person. Which she is to a certain extent. She has become the beauty standard, and continues to perpetuate unrealistic standards by not admitting to surgery
@@renuschmaya It’s still dumb bc there’s no way to know for sure and people are mad at her like she’s a confirmed liar. Only thing that looks different is her lips which she already admitted. She definitely could’ve been telling the truth
She is one of my favorite pop girlies out there. I have found a lot of comfort in her music and lyrics over the past four years and I think she honestly deserves way more than she has been given thus far. I hope people will at some point stop looking at her as just a pretty girl on social media and give her music a chance cause her vocals are truly incredible.
Her new album is amazing. Looks like she will finally get the recognition she deserves
no one should have to experience so much misogyny & abuse, especially as a child. It’s horrible, and not to mention ILLEGAL, how people kept sharing those photos of her
On the plastic surgery subject I believe multiple plastic surgeons have already disagreed with Madison getting plastic surgery besides the lip fillers. So I’ll definitely believe them over insecure girls who want to blame naturally gorgeous woman for beauty standards. But that doesn’t take the credit away from the way you said it cuz you were right in both senses.
Really? I’ve seen videos of plastic surgeons pointing out the procedures she’s likely gotten. She looks very different in a way that can’t be chalked up to “puberty”. Maybe you are very young or just incredibly naive.
@@user-oc7dd7oy5m Lmao that’s just not true💀 also makeup, lighting, different cameras, and angles exist.
@@user-oc7dd7oy5mat least 4 or 5 surgeons confirmed she didn‘t have surgery
@@user-oc7dd7oy5min what ways? to me she looks the same just more chiseled
IVE BEEEEEEN SAYING THISSSSSS FOR YEARS!!!!
taylor caniff 100% reminds me of the guys that tried to hook up with me in HS, and when I rejected them, made it their life’s mission to sit behind me in every class and threat to “ruin my life with one picture”.
he would 100% be the guy you rejected who was originally like “you’re so pretty please go out with me” to “you’re so ugly. i would never go out with you.”
the “unrealistic beauty standards” complaint is so tired, no one owes you an explanation of their medical history just because they’re beautiful. also there are ways to change your face without surgery and filler, madison clearly has strong facial muscles, which is one of the reasons she looks so good. what are these girls gonna do when they find out some people are born good looking?
Everyone hates a stunning beauty. Sad but true.
Right? Everytime I see that, it's almost always directed at someone who is more or less naturally gorgeous with genetic lottery. I assume everyone in Hollywood, men, women, and dogs, have gotten cosmetic procedures but they're not miracle cures. Look at Khloe Kardashian. She's gotten a lot of work done, it's SUPER obvious, and she looks Uncanny Valley whereas someone naturally beautiful, like Madison, doesn't have that same appeal.
And Madison looks like her baby pictures even if something aesthetic was done it's close to her natural face 🤷♀️
And even if she did have plastic surgery, then people would call her fake. Natural or not, she can't win.
and the crazy part is she was always gorgeous and faces develop so much over a life, i used to have a huge nose and it shrunk down as my face filled out, i cannot imagine what ppl would say of if i was famous like dissecting my features… so sad
watching that David Dobrik clip where he jokes about her nudes scandal after in the video we just heard about how long it took her to heal from is really heartbreaking. like I know in the clip she goes along with the joke but it made me upset for her
so many people failed her, so many people supported her abusers, everyone involved agents, parents, fans etc is responsible for the traumatization and abuse of this girl
the title was too good for me not to immediately click on this video as soon as i got the notification
The adults who spread her photograph should be in jail for distributing & possession of child pornography that is also revenge porn. The amount of adults and teens who did this are sex offenders just because it’s online doesn’t excuse or make it not as bad. I think people don’t grasp that this is the case because it’s online and they can’t see the person and it gives them some sick power.
the girl in the tiktok about madison “lying about her facial surgery” needs to fucking take a chill pill. jesus
dude, poor madison. i feel so awful for her. i had no idea she went through all of this.
That girl being so riled up over whether madison's beauty is natural or not really screams jealousy imo
this point definitely doesn’t compare to some of the larger devastating events she’s gone through but like after all of that, i can’t imagine people not even taking your sexuality label seriously. she came out as bisexual and people were like .. “nope. you’re not sorry.” like jesus christ, let the girl have ONE THING.
Listen I love Madison to pieces and have been following her since 2012-13, went to her concert but sadly didn’t get m&g tickets, but she herself said she isn’t bisexual in a live in like 2015
not to be like, a downer or an "uhm axshelly" kinda guy but ... unfortunately that is a very common experience for bisexuals. 🥲 it's either that or people just go "ok" and then sweep it under the rug and completely ~forget~ about it.
it's a rite of passage, at this point.
@@selinkorkmaz1019 and in 2020, she said she was bisexual and had been out for years
@@selinkorkmaz1019 its almost like people are IN the closet and then COME OUT of the closet, thats kinda how this whole thing goes, that was 8 years ago and this is today
she was in a relationship with a girl
Clarifying the alegriers drama (as someone who witnessed it real time): Ale was a magcon stan living in LA. She had constant run ins with the guys, not enough to be close or anything but they definitely remembered her from meeting so many times. Hated Madison for whatever reason (at the time she said Madison was rude to her friends). Ale had a fan meet up at the Grove - just a bunch of teens on twitter wanting to make friends. That same day, Madison was coincidentally also at the Grove meeting fans of her own. They told Madison that Ale (the girl who threatened her on Twitter) was there and Madison sought her out to confront her irl. Ale was caught off guard and didn't expect to fight at the Grove of all places, hence the awkwardness. They talked everything out on the spot and were fine after.
Thank you for the context! What I would give to have seen that go down irl
it genuinely irks me that people still overlook her talents and see her as this pretty online influencer when clearly she's more than that??? THIS GIRL CAN SING AND WRITE
The more I see deep dives about influencers who were online from a young age, and the more I realize how many adults failed and even worsened the trauma that these young kids went through. Madison went through so much awful shit at incredibly formative years in her life. She’s a very strong woman
The amount of misogyny and crimes and weird shit she's faced and everything she faced since day one, is AWFUL! Im truly so happy she survived and she made it this far. Even her being here and esp to this level is really impressive.
1:09:30 - This girl’s misplaced, projected anger is disturbing. That level of vitriol for a stranger is a terrifying example of parasocial obsession. An average person would get a restraining order against someone screeching at and about them that way. Unacceptable behavior, even for a teenager.
I didn't think I was too old but I have literally heard of NONE of the major characters mentioned in this video. Who is Taylor Caniff? Who is Jack Gilinsky? 😭
they were white teenage boys from vine who were famous because a market of middle school girls were obsessed with them. so dumb lol
I’m only 40 min through and the fact that madison still interacts with the male species is astounding… she has been treated so badly over and over again. I would for sure be celibate forever oh my lord
every time i go into one of these videos, i feel very lukewarm on the celebrity and by the end i realize that my impression of them is entirely based on the opinions of people on the internet who know nothing about these people. thank you for always being reasonable and empathetic in a space where that is not very common, and thank you for always reminded me to think twice before i judge someone famous based on what people say on the internet.
"i can get any guy i fucking want!" "and guess who can get any girl he wants" "'PROBABLY NOT YOU" lmaooo madi is such a fucking icon i love heeeeeeer
I think that her biggest issue is her beauty. She’s just a breathtaking person, she’s VERY pretty and that causes a lot of negative reactions from people. She also has the face of a typical high school bully which make people hate her just by how she looks but she seems like a sweet girl. Sadly, people don’t want to see that and judge her based on how she looks and I also think thats why her music career hasn’t taken off, she’s not able to be taken seriously. Even being too pretty has its disadvantages.
Yep, pretty privilege is a myth
I think pretty privilege is real but it’s fleeting and for as many real advantages it gives you in life, it also puts a very real target on your back for the absolute worst of humanity.
100% this, shes BEEN a pretty girl and i think the gut reaction for a lot of girls is to want to believe that there must be something faked there. i feel like shes almost 'too pretty' to be taken seriously which is unfortunate
Madison Beer reminds me of Megan Fox because they both shared the same issues. The film "Malena" did a great job analyzing how society treats beautiful women and they're often treated as a threat until either get married or dress themselves down.
This honestly made me tear up. This feel like your most objective observation of a celebrity, and its just so kind and understanding.
I didn’t know much about Madison before watching this but I will definitely look into her more now.
I HIGHLY suggest an Acacia Brinley deep dive next. She had a very similar start on the internet. Could be really interesting to have parallel story.
I've done an acacia deep dive! It's one of my older videos so the quality is not the same. But yes, a lot of parallels in the saddest ways
To add a little extra context to the monster high thing (as a 12 year old goth at the time) if you had a subscription to the magazine, the We Are Monster High song was set up as a contest. The magazine had the lyrics and you could send in a video of you singing it for a chance to do what Madison ended up doing. I don’t recall seeing the confirmation of the “winner”. Just monster high posting the music video with Madison. It made sense they went for someone who was already in the industry but I remember how unfair it felt at the time.
So I think that’s why there were so many kids with the “it should have been me” mentality.
She is so overhated imo it‘s a mix of jealousy and misogyny. She‘s underrated as a musician
It took me a few hours after watching this to realize that when you said “she was supposed to be in the video” you didn’t mean YOUR video. I had completely accepted the new reality that you’re somehow connected to Madison Beer with no question
She actually was supposed to be in my video. But she was in miami and couldnt make it
I see a lot of similarities between Madison Beer and Acacia Brinley when it comes to being a vulnerable young woman that was gr00med at a young age and eventually became the internet’s punching bag
madison beer they could never make me hate you
As a tween I didn’t know how to describe when someone felt racist because I didn’t know what a micro aggression was, but Magcons existence felt like a hate crime even back then. Then came Shawn Mentos’ “Light skins are better” and everything that came out of the rest of their mouths, so…it was validated
Her mom’s the villain of this story, oof. Especially with the stuff about Colleen Ballinger coming to light, I totally get the “it’s weird to be besties with and heavily rely on a fan” take. There’s an inherent power imbalance in that relationship that could easily be taken advantage of.
I agree, and the fact that she puts her mom on a pedestal is so sad.
@@suoutubez19 NO FR. I didn’t know about all of this stuff with her mom but she always posts about her and I thought her and her mom were close with this amazing relationship. Kind of sounds like her mom exploited her and didn’t protect her
@@heathermartin7459unfortunately it's often both. When an abuser is involved in your formative years, you can be really close to them and rely on them and defy them receiving justice for what they did to you while also knowing and seeing what they did to you as it is
I’ve been interested in her ever since she sang a part of Popstars by KDA since I’m a league player. Never really heard about her despite the fact that she seems pretty famous so looking forward to this
I was so surprised she didn’t blow up after that. She kinda slayed as Evelynn at the world finals. Don’t even get me started on Villain with Kim Petras, that song is pure electro pop perfection
WHAT THE HELL IS BY AVRIL NOT P!NK
Omigosh im ashamed. I apologize for the Avril erasure 😞
Such a good video, I'm so glad you got around to making it. Thanks for the shoutout as well!
Faaaves!!
I first found out about Madison Beer through this insane rumour that spread among my classmates when we were 13 that Madison was in a long distance relationship with one of the popular boys. I even saw her Facebook ‘page’ where ‘she’ took photos holding a white piece of paper with my classmates’ name on them. Me being an idiot 13 year old kind of believed it and was amazed that some up and coming singer affiliated with Justin Bieber was dating some random schoolboy from one of the poorest parts of London lmao. There was even some beef between imaginary-Madison and a popular girl who was pissed that she slid into her boyfriend’s inbox. I don’t know how that entire situation fell apart but a few years later I heard that it was all fake and some girl from our school had made a fake Facebook page. It is absolutely hysterical to look back on that entire situation because everybody in my year group was convinced. Even though this is obviously not a canon part of the Madison Beer lore, I still consider it to be.
this is so sad i watched the whole thing not knowing much about Madison but after seeing this i feel so sorry for this girl. the internet is such a nasty place.
Please do a video about Stalker Sarah omg She’s still around lol
she is???
@@-Alice_in-Wonderland_ i believe she has a tik tok i can't remember though
i cannot begin to describe the happiness that fills my heart whenever you post!!!!! keep up the amazing work :3
You should capitalize the the first letters of words at the beginning of sentences.
I feel so bad for her. She's been through a lot of shit and the internet gave her hell, shit-piling and slut shaming her for being a conventionally attractive woman. The internet wouldn't let her rest, taking joy in destroying her image while she was trying to exist. This is truly something I will never understand nor forgive the whole world for it. My blood still boils when I see unnecessary hatred is thrown at all because its part of a stupid hate bandwagon.
I think one thing this video has really solidified in my mind is that twitter is just a cesspool. As a person without twitter I don’t think I really realized that until watching this. It feels like so much of this story takes place on the feeds of twitter.
In his statement- he says: "if she didn't help me overcome my ways and change"..that is never, ever YOUR responsibility and if you feel this way about a partner, leave. Or at least seek therapy and support. It isn't healthy to feel the need to "help" someone else be a better person. There's a difference between growing together and changing over time VS expecting others to carry the responsibility of your shitty ways. I wish I would have learned this a long time ago. Sincerely- a former "ride or die" "you can fix him" woman.
That blonde girl screaming on tiktok made me feel actually homicidal
I wonder what attracts such a critical fanbase to women like madison beer and best dressed. it must be exhausting always having to apologize or address something that no one would care about if it was another public figure
It's really sad. Best dressed's situation still pisses me off
You are doing such important work for us (gay people)
14:40 What the hell is by Avril Lavigne, not P!nk. I know that must irk that you missed it in the edit. But good video.
Hearing “Receipt Goddesses” made me shudder. Like how did Anyone take that dude seriously
i feel so bad for madison. after reading her memoir i just felt so much empathy for her. i’m the same age as madison & i could not imagine going through that much internet scrutiny during my preteen/teen years!!! like my god she never did anything bad??!! i knew people hated her, but I never really kept up with her or her music. i figured people at least had SOME reason to hate her SO MUCH but there was really no reason???
i wish we could’ve seen what madison would’ve done with her talent when she was first discovered! she could’ve been one of the big pop girlies!!
i feel like her parents could’ve done a lot more to protect her. i don’t doubt scooter braun played a huge role in not protecting her either i mean he barely protected justin bieber.
ugh it makes me so mad!!! she seems like such a genuine person who was a victim of fandom’s jealousy. i mean props to her for still being in the spotlight i would’ve taken that ticket back to long island and changed my identity if i were her at 16. seriously wishing nothing but the best for her
i love you so bad,,, how do u manage to make hour long videos about the exact things i want to watch hour long videos about
Your profile pic 💀 JAIL.
*badly
oh oh the grammar police is here 🙄
you need to make a 5sos deep dive 🙏🏻 i just know it'll be hilarious and the fandom has many unhinged stories. madison was everywhere atp and i remember her being friends with them too lol
Honestly writing that down. I was not a 5sos girlie so I will gladly accept leads from people
@@ashleynortonLuke Hemmings’ ex girlfriend Arzaylea deserves her own deep dive tbh.☠️ After her and Luke broke up, she dated Lil Peep… until he died. I heard she tried selling Lil Peep merch to make money afterwards?! I just remember it being MESSY🧍♀️
ew no thanks
@@ashleynortonbeing a fan of theirs was honestly a mess and almost traumatic. the mess with them having groupies, beef with 5h, them trying hard to be respected as musicians but just being seen as kids, then their girlfriends… even till recently michael’s wife making group chats with young fans to get them to trend a hashtag against another member in the band. I love their music and have grown up being a fan but there’s been awful drama they have been through and caused.
@@the_reaper07WHAT is this about Michael's wife?? That's unhinged!
Even if she did get plastic surgery and didn't say anything, girls gotta chill. She was about to give herself a heart attack
I remember when Madison’s nudes got leaked! She’s my age and it was my first experience hearing about someone’s having their revenge porn leaked and it was nauseating. Such a horrible thing for such a young girl to have gone through.
young girls just need to accept that some girls really are that pretty. the beauty standard does exist it’s just rare.
I genuinely feel as though most of the intense hatred for Madison, especially from young girls, stems from jealousy and insecurity around physical appearance. I think because she was so young and went from being completely unknown to this huge up and coming celebrity overnight, a lot of people compared themselves to her as Ashley alluded to and wished that it was them getting discovered on youtube by Justin Bieber (even though that's not exactly how it happened). I feel like it just shows how much our obsession with beauty and celebrity, especially in regards to women, hurt everyone. I think it's difficult for people to see her as more than a conventionally attractive, thin white girl and believe that she too can have problems with body image, mental health, and in her personal life. She seems like a very sweet, resilient person and I hope people stop dogpiling on her
Idk why people are mad she sold her monster high doll??? If she didnt appreciate the doll its way better for her to sell it to someone who actually wants it like you said
Madison is such a sweetheart, I wish nothing but genuine happiness for her. The girl deserves it