‘The CES Letter is WRONG about TEMPLES??’ - FACT CHECK
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A response to the video "Temples are Great & The CES Letter is Weak" which seeks to discredit the CES letter on the topic of The Temple, The Endowment, and Freemasonry.
Jeremy's Letter
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Jeremy's Rebuttal of FAIR Mormon
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Original Video: Temples are Great & The CES Letter is Weak
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Early Masonry
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LDS Video on Temple Clothes
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The original video is included under 'Fair Use' law for the purpose of critique.
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Why do you lie?
@@richardholmes7199 good argument! Meathead !
@@davidjanbaz7728 Well now if it isn't an ill mannered anti-Mormon.
@@richardholmes7199 just stop it, Richard. You aren't helping anyone with your antagonistic posts. You might want to read what the Church recently posted about being kind to nonbelievers. Even FairMormon has issued an announcement about trying to be kinder and less confrontational...if Daniel Peterson can stop being hateful, surely you can too...
@@hippiedachshunds1632 I am here defending my faith, you?
These two are doing more damage to the LDS church than the John Dehlins of the world. It is literally painful to watch. If I were investigating the LDS Church and saw this, I would run away.
As a nevermo, I completely agree. Who exactly are their videos suppose to help or convince to stay in the church? They're obnoxious.
I think FAIR has realised this too, as they’ve hidden the videos!
John Dehlin is controlled opposition that profits off calling himself a psychologist and tipping off Jesuit Masons about victims evidence to where they can pay off lawyers and law enforcement to cover up.
@@blackalien6873Obnoxious, no , honest, astute. When truth becomes hate, or obnoxious , one needs to concider which side one is on.
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In my opinion, "too sacred to share" or "too sacred to discuss" really just means they won't "submit for peer review".
That’s a fair assessment
Kwaku et Al make my blood boil. If they just presented the argument in a less emotionally aggravating way I might actually respect them for trying. I love your videos because you don't compromise your arguments by using appeals to emotion, but present in a calm and analytical manner.
The contrast between the two is crazy. Keep up the good work 😂
Thanks!!! Glad you like them!
I predict Kwaku’s eventual downfall. Methinks he doth protest too much.
I completely agree. They are an embarrassment to the church.
When Kwakiutl is no longer useful to the church, then the church will distance themselves from him.
@@SteveSmith-os5bs ding ding ding... you win a prize!!
I forgot just how terrible these clips are. Thank you for not letting these jerks shy away from the filth that they made.
Looking forward to Thursday!
Thanks, see you then!
Dude I am so glad I found your channel. When I saw these videos I was just pissed off the entire time watching them but when I was looking for solace in the existing religion-related channels I follow, no one was talking about them in nearly enough detail. You are doing a great and necessary work!
Cheers for that! Glad they’re helpful!
Wow, I didn't realize Fair has made these awful videos private. Thank you for keeping them from throwing these down the memory hole.
I've just noticed this, they aren't on FAIR's UA-cam Channel any more! Must've happened yesterday, as I downloaded the one in this video on Saturday Morning
Did I misunderstand the apologists? It sounded like they admit the very thing they started to refute and then argue it doesn't matter?
Nope, that happened!
SO HAPPY that you kept the videos!! Now we can always remember the idiocy of these two.
I think the whole incident needs to remain, so we can learn from it!
It’s shocking how bad the arguments are from Kwaku and Brad. It’s embarrassing really. If anyone actually researches the subject, it’s unlikely they will come to the FairMormon conclusion. More realistically, they will conclude that the church has been deeply dishonest.
Absolutely shocking, and it does just set members up for a bigger fall!
They have now been deplatformed. Hmmm wonder why ? They never resonated. They came across so childish. :(
@@cindyglassie9523 that's why Kwaku was on Saints Unscripted because he appeals to children !
Still on these new channels!
Obfuscation and deceit with buffoonery thrown in for good measure. Such embarrassment. I’m sure the church is thrilled with these two.
I think it's telling that we haven't heard much since!
So my question to the Mormon Church is this: if there is no connection between the Mason Ceremony and the Mormon Church Ceremony why didn’t Joseph Smith Jr. create the endowment ceremony before he became a Free Mason? And it must just be a coincidence that the Mormon Ceremony appeared a week after Joseph Smith became a Free Mason?
Pure coincidence mate! Nothing to see here...
The church's argument would be "God works in mysterious ways".
Word for word, that's what they would say about it. I guarantee it.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Absolute bullshit
@@JAlexanderCurtis they dont have a god since they hyper satanists and hyper sui"theists" aka Antitheist full its clear.
Wow, the contrast of what the church allowed members to know in the 80’s, when I was Kwaku’s age, and now, is truly astonishing. But then, back in the day, there was no YT to take viral, the work of Christians like Jerald and Sandra Tanner who were pioneers in exposing the fallacies of Mormonism.
Allows, or is forced to acknowledge, that's the question
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Forced to acknowledge, no doubt. As Sandra Tanner says, the top leadership was dragged up the hill, kicking and screaming. They still do not admit stuff 100% but as I wrote, in the 80’s, things like stone in the hat, were either completely unheard of or in case someone stumbled upon them, labeled as “anti” material.
Although so many members today will still be totally unaware of the GTE, though.
@@FromJosephtoJesus……What is GTE?
@@gracebe235 The Gospel Topic Essays, published by the Mormon Church and to be found in their official website.
Excellent as usual. I showed my wife the similarities especially the early stuff and it was disturbing. It's also interesting how everything is changing. How much change can happen before it becomes pointless.
Thanks for sharing!
I wonder if these two will look back on these videos in the future with a deep regret and embarrassment. I have definitely held some tenuous positions in my youth that I have come to regret as an adult but never did so so publicly. As annoying as they are, I do hope that they can find the truth someday.
Agreed, I look back in embarrassment at some of the positions I've held in the past!
I remember reading an old journal of mine from jr high to high school and how I would never leave the church...never had I cringed so hard.
Ooof! Those journal moments!!!
They won't have to. The videos have been removed from the internet by FAIRMormon - or Fair Latter-day Saints as they are now calling themselves.
Possible, but some personalities don't regret stuff - such is their sense of grandeur. Narcissism is a fascinating topic to learn about. Not that I'm diagnosing anyone..
Been ex for 9 years and never saw one of your videos until yesterday. This one and that one were incredibly well done and without emotion which is rare. New subscriber for sure. THANK YOU!!!
Those two guys at Fair Mormon are a royal pain.
I can't really sit through their talks without being put off by their constant mockery, ad hominem, and eye-rolling sarcasm.
You didn't miss a thing. Thanks for taking the time to handle this; well done, indeed. Brilliant !
marcus
One of my biggest problems with the temple is the secrecy. Even when I was an active member, I couldn't understand all the fear surrounding talking about the temple (something which began to make sense to me when I learned about the blood oaths). The only thing that people actually covenant to never reveal is their new name. As far as I remember, not even the other signs and tokens come under that same covenant. But even if they do, the rest of it does not. I have always felt comfortable talking about what goes on in the temple. Now, even more so. It needs to be talked about so we can move past all the smoke and mirrors and understand what it actually is. There is nothing divinely inspired about it. It's simply a preparation to get people to commit to giving the church everything.
The signs and tokens also come under the covenant to not reveal, but you're right, the rest is essentially fair game!
Law of Consecration
Smoke & Mirrors: I Kings 8:11; Acts 8:11;. Hosea 8:11; Exodus 8:11; Jeremiah 8:11; Revelation 8:11; 1 SAM 8:11;. Ezekiel 8:11; Zechariah 8:11; Isaiah 8:11, et. Go thro a Real Bible, compare & contrast. A great way to learn. And to learn to THINK.
You make your choices, you live with the consequences.
@@hrv4908 What do you mean?
So, I am a Freemason and an ex-Mormon. I have actually studied the history of Masonic rituals (yes rituals, plural) and the evolution of the "blue lodge" degrees and the standardized forms of the Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason degrees. The Solomonic ritual that Joseph would have been introduced to, was actually created closer to the formation of the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) than during the middle ages where the Enochian and Noachitic rituals were more predominant. In fact, many elements that are incorporated into most current Masonic rituals were due to infighting and quarreling between two main Masonic groups -- the Moderns and the Ancients. Not wanting to have members of one group be able to sit in lodge with or join the other, the groups began swapping signs, tokens, words, and other parts around so that those that learned them from one group could not use them accurately in the other. In fact, many of the elements in the LDS temple taken from the Master Mason degree are known to be modern inventions because the MM degree was created as a special degree for those who have served as a Master of the Lodge (now this has been moved to the degree of Past Master as is usually presented in the York Rite, but that is a story for another day). Thus, if the modern Masonic ritual that has become the main form of Masonry is the basis for the LDS temple ceremonies (which from personal experience, I can attest it is), how can the fact that it was created around the late 1600s to early 1700s be an accurate claim that the ceremony is of ancient origin when the older ceremonies deal with an entirely different content altogether?
Also, the problem I have with the anointing of oil part of the ceremony in the LDS temple is that the exact same phraseology is used in the Scottish Rite which preserved the Masonic rituals from the various masonic lodges and bodies that predate the formation of the UGLE in 1717. Why are specific anointing phrases used in Masonic ritual copied verbatim into the LDS Initiatory Ceremony? Why are the ceremonies of the Mormon temples nearly identical in form (albeit not in content) to the Masonic ritual that would have been predominant in Joseph's day, but which have since been changed in some modern masonic ritual? I always find it amusing when non-Masons try to lecture a Mason about Masonic things (as Kwaku is basically trying to do here) when they don't even have the experience to back up their claims.
Overall, I liked your rebuttal to their video, though there is A LOT more on this subject that undermines the legitimacy claims of the LDS church regarding the "restoration" of temple ceremonies. However, I am assuming you are not a Freemason, and so you probably don't have some of the background or experience to actually note the even more damning claims that were not brought up in the CES letter. Which makes sense and given a non-Masonic background, even the inconsistencies that you point out are sufficient to discredit the TITS claims in their video.
Thank you so much for your additional insight!!!!!
Masonic satanic s*** is from the dark late Middle Ages during the Enlightenment era when luciferian s*** and Satan worship was prevalent as Rebellion against the Catholic Church and the Inquisition.
Great job Lewis. I do love the shrill, desperate and unhinged manner with which LDS front men are handling their PR. The want for a solid counter-attack is clearly not within their grasp. I do also love the use of straw-man arguments to shore up their frail position. When LDS practitioners wax eloquently regarding the temple rights and rituals and how they have the true legacy, I ask them what kind of animals do they sacrifice. I ask them how they perform burnt offerings, and are they environmentally friendly.
I know I'm a year late but the word "unhinged" is an absolutely perfect description
Every time Kwaku opens his mouth I feel like punching something. He's so unbearable
He's a tool. The sad part is that he thinks he's doing God's work and not just being an insufferable know-it-all who in fact knows nothing.
@@corydensley7631 he’s white washed
@@aslscott78 badly.
You’re amazing Nemo!!! 🤩👏👏👏👏 I am so happy that you hit 1,000 subscribers!!! You’re one of my absolute favorite UA-camrs and I cannot wait to see the collaboration between you and Louis! That will be awesome 💗😊
Thanks! I’m looking forward to it too!
Nemo is gonna hit 10,000 subscribers before Christmas, probably this week actually. Happy 10k!
Once again you knocked it out of the park! Thanks Nemo , looking forward to Sunstone!
You and me both! Thanks!!!
Their childish attempt to invalidate sincere concerns is disgusting.
It is indeed!
Thank you for captioning:). I’ll looking forward on Thursday. You did a great job!
Thanks!!!
Until now, I'd never heard of those two. It makes me wonder what source of inspiration that program came from? I have to say that I quite enjoyed your commentary on them. I don't see how they could test anyone's faith with their commentary, but they could test your patience!
I don’t know, apparently it was Kwaku & Co who pitched it to the board at FAIR
Congrats on 1000 Subscribers! I'm excited to keep seeing you grow! Thanks for all the amazing content Nemo!
Thanks a ton!
There is a Masonic Temple on the South Temple Street in Salt Lake City, Utah. A few years ago I went on a public tour. This was so familiar to the endowment! Pretty much exactly to the pre -1978 endowment ceremony.Just that experience could have put me over the edge but no, I hung on for 20 more years.
Ugh. Those two boys on this video make me crazy! I’m exhausted , too, Nemo. Thanks for your work Nemo.💋
Congrats on 1K subscribers!! Watching your analysis superimposed over "This Is The Show" is a stark contrast of rational truth over banal mockery.
Cheers!
10:15 no member has any context or is taught anything about the temple before or after going.
Jared, l found that deeply disturbing when l went.
Great video! I found you and Lewis at the same time doing rebuttals to Kwaku. Can’t wait to see your collaboration.
Awesome! Thank you!
I’m ashamed I’m still regarded a member of this Church.
I like the quote Jeremy put on the back of his letter and totally agree with it.
"If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed."
If Kwaku actually does believe I don't see why he feels the need to mock and why he thinks the truth can be harmed, it's pretty ironic of him to ostracise Jeremy as on a separate video Kwaku said members shouldn't.
Doesn't the Book of Mormon say in Ether "fools mock, but they shall mourn."?
They do sound like they are morning.
The more I learn about Kwaku and Brad the more repugnant I find them.
Look, when you get to the heart of the matter, why did Joseph come up with the Endowment Ceremony (based on Masonry) only after he himself became a Freemason just six weeks prior? It seems fishy at best.
That's the essence of it!
Awesome as always! Excited for the team up with Pneumanosophy
11:30 mark. Fun fact: Paul did no such thing. Neither Acts nor Titus was written by Paul. Acts was written decades after Paul's ministry so even in the most charitable sense, Acts "quoting" of Paul needs be taken with a grain of salt.
Titus is even more problematic as, apparently, several elements in the writing style would have been foreign to Paul and most likely a product of the Second Century (i.e. a forgery).
Edit: In other words, Kwaku is too ignorant to realize he's inadvertently undermining his own case. The further one gets from Paul's actual words, the more one sees "borrowing" of non-Pauline ideas. The further Joseph gets from prophetic revelation, the more one sees borrowed items (and with Smith, it's ALL borrowed).
Brilliant bit of extra insight, thank you!
I have been to the temple many times and I was always so confused when I would hear people say how much their learning increased during the endowment. I still don’t fully understand what they are talking about. The ceremony has never seemed like anything to help me understand ANYTHING better. I will say this, if the blood oaths were still happening when I went through, I would have quit the church so fast. I have had beautiful experiences in the temple, but I think the ceremony itself is so weird. Even with the new changes.
Found you on Exmo Reddit. I forgot how bad these videos are. Subscribed for your beautiful logic
Thanks!!!
Looks like FAIR just privated all these videos XD
Yep, what a crazy day!
Pretty interesting that they are pulling down these videos from public view now. 🤔
Nemo's pause at 3:28. LOL.
Hahaha! I was just so miffed!
The best.
Me too. I like comedy and all, but these guys are just rude. And not funny.
@@tracy8359 They are just a couple of idiots acting like 13 year old kids. What they cannot prove they ridicule instead with inane comments. I subscribed to Nemo a while ago and tried to watch one of these with the 'idiot's and couldn't get through it because of their ridiculous behavior - especially Kwaku.
Wonderful video as always! I am so happy to see your collab. Regarding the subject of this video, this FairMormon videos are so childish, I can't even watch them without getting angry or annoyed. LDS Temple pratices, with all my honesty, I just don't get it. They don't align with Jesus teachings.
Yes! Thank you!
That’s because it’s not what Jesus taught
I never thought the ceremonies made any sense but I just figured God was smarter than me and I couldn't know his ways. But I find meaning in everything and it did bother me that the ceremonies felt like nonsense. It feels good to freely say: Yes, they are just nonsense.
Does anyone know ANYONE that can honestly say that these Kwaku videos have buoyed or bolstered their faith? Has anyone ever heard another person go, “wow guys, you guys saved my faith when I was hanging off the edge!” When I had only shreds of a testimony left after the CES letter and GTEs, these videos confirmed that I was right. They are so horrible, so offensive, so harrowingly bad that they destroy all confidence in trying to preserve your testimony by listening to their flawed logic and sickening display of confirmation bias. And the Elder Holland BBC interview, where he ends up lying and looking like a total chump? What an apostle!?! I thought apostles would be able to spar toe to toe with any would-be reporter or interviewer but I realized (I just couldn’t see it before) that the “brethren” go down looking like total chumps everytime they are put in front of a camera and are grilled or asked tough questions.
It doesn’t seem likely the Kwaku videos would pull anyone back over the edge!
Your first point nails it. The entire quote is actually fascinating in that I believe it is an attempt to defend against public concerns the original temple ordinances proscribed violence against opponents of the church. Which is an entirely different path of criticism.
Thanks for the extra insight!
If the church is the restored church of Christ, then why do we even have the temple endowment ceremony? I don’t recall that even being in Christ’s original church. And polygamy and temple sealings either.
The cultural appropriation part of their argument kind of defeats their own argument. If he got the idea from his culture, he didn’t get it from God. It doesn’t matter if other people have done similar things because they weren’t claiming God revealed it to them. The fact that they made this admission tells me they haven’t thought critically about the issues and their implications, or they’re just trying to manipulate people.
I think they're employing the apologist technique of "just raising an objection". That way, active members see there is an objection raised, and rather than evaluate the objection, it's presence alone is enough for them to dismiss the issue being defended.
Having a thought in depth about the comparison between Paul and Joseph which is absolutely not a comparison at all when Paul was quoting the Greek philosopher he's using it for his own status he didn't know about the Philosopher's Pagan background both of them are theist and like Satan Smith who is anti-theist
And they weren't doing satanic s*** like Satan Smith was which was fairly around rebelling against Christianity and relying upon twisting Christianity which was Freemasonry and Illuminati s***
The gas letting an excuse they come up with and moving the goalposts is so pathetic shows their willful dishonesty they don't want to admit the inevitable conclusion in truth the absolute proof and facts unbelievable evidence that's mounted against Smith and even he demonstrates it and admits it they just got Ally It's gaslighting. The ultimate form of deception and dishonesty they are lying and getting caught red-handed at it. Only stupid people who aren't thinking right now who aren't willing to say no would fall for this s***.
Um. I find those two guys completely rude and disrespectful. I would not want them to represent me. They’re so cringy-I don’t understand why they’d take this sarcastic, mocking approach.
"Now before you move on to another one of my videos..ahha...hehhhehh."
Love it.
Thanks! Hahaha!
Kudos to you Nemo, l can't deal with the immaturity of the quaku team who lie and attack like first graders. You are remarkable to cope with them.
I do my best!
These 2 kids trying to refute the CES letter is just so... cringe worthy. They actually prove the point of the issues many of us have regarding the temple endowment and everything that goes into it.
I find it interesting how Joseph Smith and Brigham Young stated that these cannot be altered / changed, and doing so would bring damnation onto you if you did, but over time, we see future "prophets, seers, revelators" making changes and declaring yesterdays "prophets, seers, revelators" as heretics or try to move their doctrine into a "personal view only".
All the cunning word play and inability to actually complete the quotes they are refuting, and then making convenient excuses as to why they cannot discuss the more intricate details of the ceremony when other church leaders are on record doing just that...
For myself, I just wish I would have known about the freemason connection for me to have it so i could give informed consent BEFORE dedicating all to the people hi d ING it from me. Deceit!
Informed consent is very important!
About 70 percent of the temple ceremony is straight out of Messianic rituals.
Great work my friend! Keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
Congratulations on your 1,000 followers ❤
At the time of Solomon's temple, the Israelites had only the Aaronic Priesthood, so the presence of the Melchizedek Priesthood would be a non sequitur.
Great work again bud nice job congratulations on the 1k subs
Thanks!
I like this guy's commentary on this train wreck of an organization. Well thought out!
Cheers!
Good on you for powering through this, I couldn't make half way through as it's one blatant lie from Kwaku and friends after another.
Cheers!
I’d love to hear about your experiences working in the temple
Maybe one day!
Listen to his MSP episode, he tells a few stories from his time there. Love your vids Nemo! You’re a gentleman and a scholar! Loved your MSP interview and your fact checking vids. I love your blank stare into the camera when Kwaku says something that is so phenomenally asinine that there are no words.
Hey just found your channel I love it. Have you heard of adventures with Luis he has a channel similar to yours you guys should definitely do a video together I think it would be awesome. I must be a freaking psychic I wrote my first comment before you mentioned about a collaboration with somebody. And as soon as you did mention it I knew immediately that it was going to be at Lewis and then my suspicions were confirmed sometimes I blow my own mind 😂
Hahaha!
Oh my goodness. Midnight Mormons are like smug, know-it-all, 14-year olds. What can they do about their unfortunate name, giving Satan a win?
I feel like making fun of those reading the CES Letter isn't a very Christlike thing to do
So enriching to listen to Nemo. I’m glad I ran into this channel!
I was a member for 37 years. I never understood it. BECAUSE the context was hidden until I started listening to outside sources that are not church approved. Only then did I understand the temple. I don't like most of all that it is hidden. They don't tell you A THING that helps you understand the ceremony and it doesn't help you feel closer to God.
Good thing you were able take these videos just for history sake.
I think their audience are inoculated high school kids. 😂😂😂
I was coerced to act out slitting my own throat and cutting open my stomach.
I truly despise fair Mormon, which isn’t really fair at all.
The white dude appears in the Physical Science UA-cam videos for the byu science classes… That is so wild hahaha… I will now think of him as a crazy apologist every time I see him
Thank you for the analysis. Are there any references to suggest the temple ceremonies are from Joseph vs Brigham? What is the earliest info we have on this topic?
For instance, some believe Joseph restored the gospel and Brigham corrupted it.
I feel my inner Brother Jake coming on.....
The temple is where we go to in order to enter super VIP heaven and do cool God stuff!
Congratulations on 27K followers!!!! (and on gently calling these children on their snarky testimonials.
If these "apologists" continue to post asinine videos like this it will only make Jeremy Runnells look more sophisticated and the CES letter look more convincing. I am still in (PIMO) and I couldn't be more embarrassed to be a member of the church when I see these two clowns in action. Embarrassing indeed!
Do you have anything like a Patreon where we can support you and your content?
I'm working on it, but I'm not sure what I could offer really!
In my post-Mormon years, I obviously don’t believe in any ordinance of the LDS temple.For decades, I had participated in countless baptisms for the dead, my own marriage ceremony, and copious amounts of everything in between. What I find to be the most baffling thing is if the LDS temple ceremonies and ordinances were a part of the restored gospel in its fullness and eternally binding, then why did changes take place? Are the covenants that people made 50, 100, 200 years ago altered to conform to these changes? If so, it would make God a liar. Because, by Mormon definition, a covenant with God has terms that are set by God and the covenant participants agree with the terms and God-given promises for strict obedience. Even The Book of Mormon agrees with the Bible in that God is the same today, yesterday, and forever. Yet He cannot be the same if He changes the terms of an eternally binding covenant that was made hundreds of years ago. But if the historical individuals’ covenants with God do not change, yet the ordinances themselves do change, then that makes Joseph Smith a liar and a false prophet.
Now for you to repent use truly Godly Rituals of debaptizing for the good of taking back all the wicked evil done against the Dead and sinful extremely sinful offense against the dead.
I thought catholic prayers for the dead were bad enough. But moronism berpterzzing agaisnt the dead is way way wayyyy worse and ultra evil sin against the Dead and God in General way General. You don't just need the Bible you can use your Kumon says or any other reasonable if they could be scripture or not is to leave the dead alone in fact protected good from Wicked cult rituals or attack. Only God takes care of the dead and he does not harm them he doesn't nothing of them those who do good no life he rewards those who do bad to get punished you don't do anything after death the Bible and so on says the after death comes the judgment. In Christianity wise those who don't have a Christianity or anything like that who let the good life get the afterlife those who rejected it get the bad I can go so on. We Christian and not excetera Muslim Christian and not all agree overwhelmingly in Moore leave the dead alone.
Now its time for you to undo every if we did against the dead in Old Folks rituals take it all back cradle back deep burp towards yourself out and clear it and pray that basically you heal your relatives of being offended or attacked or desecrated all because of sin and Evil by luciferian freek'n 1800 who is necromancing the Satanist with twistianity left and right.
What's do baptize against Joseph Smith in hell that way he can get more punishment. That way he gets cursed more in hell getting defiled by the living. That's a perfect lesson to teach the Mormons for the Antichrist luciferians satanic evil stop their satanic things they started fussing 200 years ago.
On the last part the bom with man being man always and God is God always in the least. As a general principle and more is the one and only thing ever ever the bom is right about and that is just one extreme superficial thing the any textbook you can come up with says I can find better fiction books that are more in line with the Bible more logical not unoriginal and completely on their own. The moron book is so horrid and its narrative it's so crappily misused Christian crappy doesn't represent Jewish people in the past even Christian era. It's usage has its extreme horde extreme anachronisms not just slight anachronisms but extreme extreme anachronisms that are nothing more than basically 1800 inventions with no understanding of the past.. It's satanic luciferian euphemisms or using it like secret combinations "gadianton" and is it extremely limited geography it's copying off pirate novels as well as view of the Hebrews almost verbatim as well as Smith putting himself into his owns alleged text overly destroys not to regulate destroys it as a fake but overly destroys it isn't fraudulent falsehood. When I first read the bom I knew it was faking fraud I didn't realize how fake and brought it really was like I like and give a scale from 1 to 10 how you write a book I originally had it on a number 3 read through it it's numbers going to drop it went down to a two and almost won it was even worse than I thought I thought it'd be more of a four but really it dropped down from 4 to a 2 almost 1 if not 1. I might as well make it 0 let alone I read the original correct 1830 version of The bom with all its original true meanings a phrasings intact and I've noticed several run-on sentences grammatical errors flat-out misappropriation of the biblical texts including the KJV excetera excetera excetera.
Nemo. I've never seen such a logical and charitable nuking of a pair of irritating teenagers. Very amusing and educational.
How can Kwaku and Al be so annoying and have such poor delivery and still be supported by the LDS.? Studio C is humorous and has decent actors.
They were trying to appeal to the youth... Insulting to the youth in my opinion.
Wait, when was the livestream with Lewis? Was that yesterday?
Nope, it’s on Thursday, you’re all good!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON ah, okay!
I followed the link you provided to the original video and it has been made private
They got taken down, they now only exist in places like this!
Knowing the masonic roots of the temple ceremony, does it still have any special meaning to you? Does its origins take away its sanctity and importance?
Of course it does. If JS didn't have the ability or take the time to create ceremonies that symbolize this new religion, it really puts into question their validity. Shakespeare's play can have importance and be emotionally meaningful, but most people would question using them as ceremonies for a new religion.
@@susanbergman9765 so they are important to you or not?
Once you have the “ah-ha” moment and realize that the book of mormon was written/created and not translated and everything really was “fabricated out of whole cloth” like Elder Holland testified that is wasn’t...than no, the temple ceremony has no sanctity and no importance. Its pretty much like a bitcoin or a dollar or a chunk of gold, all really have NO value other than what we give to them based on society accepting them to have and hold value. We believe they are valuable, so they are. The temple is only important if you believe it is important. What have you really, REALLY ever learned from the temple? The only thing that really ever “got to me” was when Elohim and Jehova are talking about how they will provide a Savior when we fall. That always made me emotional, but when it all fell apart based off of discovering the all the things i thought were “anti” were actually true, its just like a complete rewiring of the brain and spirit. I couldn’t even stomach one more sacrament meeting, let alone a temple visit. It made me literally sick to my stomach. I mean, if God really wanted me, wouldn’t he send the spirit to rip me away from the falsehoods that were destroying my faith? Why doesn’t he care? If God will NOT be mocked, then why does he permit that Kwaku and Brandon (and their pathetic, embarrassing, gaslighting, condescending way in which they try and defend the church) exmormon tiktok, etc, mock him day and night? Its because he either doesn’t care, or he isn’t really there....I believe the latter. So...yes...knowing the pattern that JS used to take info, teachings, preachings, stories, geography, rituals, etc from other people and places and incorporate them into his creation DOES take away from the sanctity and importance of the temple. On the way home from work today...I said the name out loud of the 2nd token of the Melchizedek, the Patriarcal Grip, or Sure Sign of the Nail. I laughed out loud to myself at how really insignificant those words are, those words that are the culmination of all mormonism, supposedly, the words you say right before you are admitted to the presence of the Lord...and I just laughed because of how insignificant they were. Out of pure respect that some still think it has, I wont post those words here but you know what they are. And they have no power and importance whatsoever,
If we were all in a previous time of the church a few decades ago, this behavior Kwaku demonstrated would've been abhorrent for acting out out. It would've nearly caused him to be excommunicated or an auto distancing on the suppose of some Priest craftis aloof.
The infraction wouldn't have been to save the image of the church or to abuse authority(from that time), it would've been just for acting against the character of people that we used to be. It would've been seen not just as dangerously prideful, but also just not who we are. Those times sadly don't exist anymore and the people is a political zoo apparently serving a political church.
It appears their approach is geared to flashy and trendy, in order to jump start an emotional upheaval trend in membership and put their innuendo in to invoke an annoyed / light mindedness reciprocating marker to be applied to anyone of their viewers watching it, or to create a scoff to the more arrogant to uphold 'more right'.
Their presentation just represents a lot of plucky indignity to the point of making mockery at the faith and themselves. This sort of thing would've been just seen as irreverent and menacing. Of course Im not defending the church per se by just saying that, just defending who we used to be as a people with our own values* before we got leashed to another in house theocracy.
Values* like looking out for one another. That sentiment also no longer exists, instead it is transformed into apologizing for an abusive God and hanging on his coat tails like an abusive Father. Like serving in the role of an abusive relationship to try to out win the difference knowing no better and living in self denial to believe that the difference can be turned for being a more submissive docile adherent staying in the relationship and whom doesn't want to believe that they're the victim being voluntarily used for being better on behalf of an abusive leadership.
Most difficult things to do.
1. Guard Davante Adams 1 on 1.
2. Out shoot Steph Curray.
3. Run a mile in 5 mins.
Things more difficult.
Be a intellectually honest Mormon apologist.
So very well done.
My dad was a freemason as well as many of his friends, he did a lot of business with them. Many of them take it that Freemasonry started in the 1700's a few of them actually believe the Freemasonry emerged from the Masons who helped build King Solomon's temple. I've always questioned those who suggest that Freemasonry started ex nihilo, because everything they do can be found in other ancient sectors.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!
Great job, oh and I saw an advert. So so so so excited.
Thanks! It's a great feeling, cheers for your support!!
This is nit picking I know but Halloween and Christmas are not pagan. See especially the work of Ronald Hutton
Thanks for pointing it out!
Their video is painfully devoid of solid logic 😞
Unfortunately so!
Once again, Nemo destroying Mormons!!!
These guys talk about how they and the rest of the church talk about the temple ceremonies with reverence. Their commentary, when specifically speaking about the temple is anything but reverent. It's like I'm watching the Disney channel or Nickelodeon. Their sarcasm and mannerisms are so unprofessional. Yet they are tasked by the church to cover this topic.
I hate those skinny print floral ties.
I would question why THAT is the thing you choose to mention… but you’re not wrong 😂
@@NEMOTHEMORMON because I'm a fan of classic Menswear and those ties are an outward manifestation of their puerile natures.
Does Kwaku know he’s not funny? Should someone tell him?
Fair Mormon took all these videos down.
Yeah I saw, mad!!
I think Mormonism was a good fit for Kwaku’s narcissism
I'll make a prediction Kwaku won't be a Mormon in about 10 years watch.
These guys are supposed to be disciples of Jesus Christ? Why are they so mean spirited? I feel no Christian love coming from these boys, and I’m hurt that they mock questions from members in faith crisis.😢
love your vids! didn’t know u are an ExMo
Thanks! Though I’m not, I’m still a member of the church
@@NEMOTHEMORMON nice! im not officially out either on paper anyways.. but i appreciate all your vids! your analysis is always spot on and very informative
Later in life, these guys are going regret being part of "This is the Show"
The fair talking heads act like clowns. Not very professional, & make a mockery, thus deleting any credibility they may have.
JS encouraged many to join Masonry lodges so they would understand be better prepared when they went through the temple. Someone I knew joined the masons for this very reason and was told he would be excommunicated if he didn't leave the Masons.
This Is The Show may well go down as one of the worst mistakes in the apologetics history of the church (I'm assuming they funded them in a round-about kind of way?).
They absolutely did!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON This Is The Shit-show may have been a more appropriate title. So glad videos like yours exist so that they can't just pretend it never happened.
Unfortunately, every religion has people like this. It's just human nature. Things like this makes me wonder why Mormons think this is ok, but us ex-Mormons aren't allowed to speak out about it.