I think a lot of people forget that Quinn didn’t give Beth up because she didn’t want her but because she couldn’t have her. She had absolutely no support system and from the moment she conceived Beth, she was thinking about the best possible option for her, which is what led to her choosing adoption. Though she was very much wrong in saying that Shelby isn’t Beth’s mom, you have to understand that she’s speaking from the perspective of a mom who gave birth to a child she loves and wanted the best for her, not a mom who choose adoption for convenience (because she truly considered keeping Beth until she realized she would be alone, as she couldn’t rely on Finn, Puck, or her parents)
Her mom divorced her dad and told quin she could move in with her so she could help raise the baby and quin could finish school... So what you're saying isn't true
chiraine1 but at that point she had already seen that her family turned her back on her & could do it again. she had made the decision because she didn’t want that happening & wanted a life that beth could actually live out .
Quinn didn't just give up Beth for Beth, she mostly gave her up for herself. All that really mattered to Quinn was getting back her social status. There's nothing wrong with admitting she was selfish because she did do the right thing by giving her up. She just can't pick and choose when she wants to claim Beth and be in her life.
A'Mariah Lovelace Quinn definitely didn’t entirely give up Beth for herself. The whole point of her lying to Finn was so Beth could have a good father in her life and be secured. There’s multiple instances where Quinn considered Beth’s future in the storyline (tho I won’t deny that Quinn is definitely a selfish person)
@@ladyblubel I said mostly. And still she was always inconsistent. Even while telling Finn the baby was his she was going to give the baby to Terry, then when it was out that Puck was the father she wanted to keep her. Then give her up again. Her indecisiveness would not have been fair to the baby. You can't just choose when you want to be a mom. You're either in or out. And then how she went about trying to get her back was horrible and proof that she was not ready to raise a child.
@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 She’s 17 and she had no choice but to lose her daughter she’s obviously not mature enough but we shouldn’t be that hard on her it’s a really tough thing to go through she’s just a child
It's annoying me all these comments saying Quinn is Beths mom like no she isn't. Just because you give birth to someone doesn't make you a mother. A mother is someone who looks after you, raises you, cares for you and loves you unconditionally. Quinn gave up the right to call herself Beths mom the minute she signed this adoption papers. Shelby is and will always be Beths mom. I know for a fact as someone who is adopted that my family who adopted me are my mom and dad not Chloe ( my birth mom ) who I see.
Kasey Klark Plus she reason she wanted Beth back was selfish. She said "Beth is perfect. My perfect thing." THING?? She just wanted her back so she could feel good about herself.
Quinn is more Beth's mother than could ever be she only only gave Beth up to Shelby because she couldn't give her a good life due to the lack of support. In the hospital scene when Beth is born she is upset when Shelby got there because it was the birth of HER child and didn't want it ruined by a lady swooping in to take her daughter away from her
It takes more than blood and DNA to be a mother. Some children are raised by aunts, neighbors, strangers all looking for the best interested. Some kids don't even know where there mom's even are. Anyone can produce a child, but not everyone can be a mother.
Man, this is heartbreaking. I know people have differing opinions about who Beth's mom is. Personally, I kinda think both of them are. I'm basing this off of how they feel about her. Quinn loves Beth with all her heart. Throughout the first season, she struggled with her decision. At first, she thought she and Finn could raise the baby together. And she even wanted to raise her with Puck since he was the father. But Puck showed how, despite how much he may want to be a good father, he wasn't mature enough, and neither was she. She wanted to be with Puck in a relationship, not having him run around with girls leaving her to do most of the work. That was the impression she got of how it would go at the time. So she went with secretly having Will adopt her because she thought he'd make a good father. Then Will's marriage blows up and her parents disown her for being pregnant. She realizes she doesn't have the support she would need to be a good mother. Puck struggled between wanting to be with his child and wanting to be free, something Quinn saw that made her feel their raising Beth wouldn't work out. So she chose adoption. She still wanted Beth, but she knew that without a strong support system in place, she wouldn't be able to raise Beth on her own. She still wasn't ready for the real world. She was living at her friend's houses, but she didn't have a permanent place to raise Beth. She still wanted Beth. It's something she struggled with throughout season 2 as well. And her heartbreak over not being able to be Beth's full-time mom combined with her breakup with Finn made her have an identity crisis. She still felt like Beth's mom. However, Shelby is her mom, too. Shelby has been there everyday for her. Just like Quinn chose adoption for the best interests of her child, Shelby chose a job closer to home that wouldn't keep her away from Beth. They BOTH chose Beth. If Quinn had been able to, I believe she would have kept Beth. So in my opinion, they're both Beth's mothers, in different ways. They both love her like a mom.
Late reaction but this is so true! We should also take into consideration that she was a teen when she had Beth and without her parents' support and even Puck's, she felt hopeless. The probable reason why she's acting like that is because she's lost. She doesn't have her child and is seeking for love and admiration from other places
It's heartbreaking alright. It's painful to lose a baby to someone else especially when Puck didn't show signs of taking care of his daughter when he goes around with other woman and fighting with his best friend, he may talk about having responsibility for a child but does he have a responsibility for Beth? Quinn lied about who was the father because she didn't want to raise Beth with Puck. She thought that Finn was the father because she felt safe with him. I don't think Puck had the right to lecture Finn when he's not doing anything to help Quinn either. I know what Quinn did was wrong but she was scared and unprepared for a child. a good father would step up and be there for his daughter and not going out with other woman.
Kayla Gariepy super late but this is so true. People are hating on Quinn, saying she made this choice. But in an way, she didn’t. The choice was pushed on her because she was a student... she was just a teen who wasn’t ready for adulthood. A lot of factors affected her decision. Just because she gave her up, doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Beth. It also shouldn’t make her less of her mother. Like take Rachel’s mother. Even though she isn’t in her life, Rachel considers her her mother and the two still have a somewhat close relationship. Quinn was wrong here... but she was blinded by heartbreak... She gave birth to her... and will always love her. She did give birth to her after all...
I’m gonna use a quote form glee that Shelby said to Rachel “I’m your birth mother but I’m not your mom.” I think that this is a good example for the scene, yes Quinn is her mother biologically but Shelby is her mom.
Why? Because Quinn signed a piece of paper? What decides the worthiness of somebody being mother? Would a mother separated from her child by circumstances but never stop loving the child any less "deserving" than the person who raised the child afterwards? There's no clear definition of this pal, get your head over your ass. Shelby gave up Rachel emotionally, that is what makes her not Rachel mother, not any legal writings that can vary by governmental regulation.
I agree with this quote because in the end it's the child that decides who is her real mother. So in this case Beth has two, Quinn who gave birth to her and loved her even though she gave her up and Shelby who's raising her.
@@markarmage3776 Quinn isn't Beth's "mom" not because a piece of paper was signed, but because she wasn't there. She can love her dearly and deeply, and she obviously does, but ultimately it's Shelby who is up in the middle of the night soothing the baby back to sleep, it'll be Shelby who teaches her to tie her shoes, and it'll be Shelby who comforts her when she's heartbroken. Shelby is the one raising her, she's her mom
There is a big difference between the woman who gives birth to a child and a mum. A mum is the one who nurtures and loves the child throughout it's life.
I just farted exactly why can’t people just except this and get they heads out of their asses? I was adopted at a very young age, around 4 months. And I consider my mom and dad now well my real mom and dad because they’re the ones who have raised me this whole time. I’m not even sure I want to know who my biological parents are
@@GabesEdtiz Then you'd probably be stupid. But that's your choice. What happened to your biological parents within those 4 months after you were born? Do they stop loving you or is it because they love you that they let you go? Only the Americans and Westerners have this sick view on family bond, it's like, hey you signed a piece of paper, by the power vested in God star spangled awesome, you're emotionally blank.
And actually in the episode Theatricality, Shelby tells Rachel, "It's because I'm your mother, but I'm not your mom." Rachel understood that while Quinn is being ungrateful and really doesn't understand that Shelby has it much harder than Quinn due to seeing her daughter all grown up and can make her own decisions without Shelby around even though Rachel is hurt by this. I really wish Shelby told Quinn to think of being in her position and having to deal with a grown up Beth in front of her.
ok what I meant to say there is a difference of being someone's mom and mother, Quinn is Beth's biological mother, she doesn't know Quinn as her mom, Shelby is Beth's mom
As someone who's adopted for me personally my biological mother was not and is not my mum. She willingly gave me up after years of people trying to help her to raise me. She gave me up for her own selfishness and unwillingness to change and adapt, yet this didn't stop her from having another kid. When i was a child all i wanted was to have some type of relationship with her the way she did my younger brother but she never did and now that I've realised I dont need her approval or her in my life she suddenly wants that. Now I go through life receiving messages from her and my half brother about how I'm the one who destroyed are family because I don't want anything to do with her. Family is who loves you. Cares for you. Helps your grow and develope as a human being. Having your back. My ADOPTED family. So to all the people who have children the minute you decide you don't want them because their an inconvenience to your life you no longer get to claim them as your. Your not their mum so don't claim to be. Sorry it's so long. I just got pissed of with what she said.
bing bong ok I'm sorry to say this but your mom didn't want you. She got help from family and friends but still gave you up. Quinn wasn't ready for a baby. She's a teenager
Yeah but it's different for quinn because she was what 16? Really confused didn't have her family to help her through and unreliable cheating puck was the only one trying to convince her to keep the baby. Quinn always regretted giving her baby up from the moment she did it she seemed sad all the time. Quinn wanted her daughter back way before the time Beth could even say the words mama.
I see where Quinn is coming from she’s young and did the right thing for Beth. But she will always have that biological mom feeling she carried Beth for 9 months and will always want and have that connection with her
I feel like an adopted child should get to know both, mother is a feeling and a person. Shelby is the feeling of the mother, she is Beth's mom bc she loves her unconditionally. But Beth is Quinn's flesh and blood, she was apart of Quinn for 9 months, and Quinn loves her unconditionally too. Ik sometimes most adoption cases don't work like that, but in their case, it's not Shelby or Quinn, it's both.
assyrianprincess you clearly haven’t, she gave her up so she could have a better life with someone else who could provide for her. Quinn was very young when she had her. She needs to grow up before she might have seen her.
Kira M I understand that part. But the thing is she immediately gave her away without even thinking about it but then after one season she suddenly gets on a high horse of “shes mine not yours” and then after that never mentioned or even went to see her again. Im just saying if Quinn really cared about beth and wanted her back she should of thought about it before giving her up from the get go. She only loved beth when it was convenient for her. She thought of beth more as an item than as a baby. Are we also gonna pretend that Quinn trying to get Shelby arrested was not pscho af?
Personally I was adopted in China by the amazing person who raised me and I call her my mother. My biological mother couldn’t afford to raise me properly and decided to send me to a place where someone can taught me and love me like any other child deserves. I do not see how Quinn is the “real” mother to Beth. People came to me saying “I am so disappointed there is no way I can have a baby that comes from me and my partner. Adopting will not be the same as if he or she was from me” I think the love of a parent is what really bond the family together, not the bloodline 😌❤️
Maybe you have taught yourself to think this way, because of your situation, but a mother is the female biological parent, regardless of wether or not they were a good or present parent...
@@btai3330 I did not taught myself that, it was just a natural thing. I do understand that technically, the person who gave birth to me is indeed related to me. But I do consider the woman who adopted me my mother. I would not be able to call my biological mother ''mom''. I hope you understand my point of view and I did not grow up saying to myself ''I want to ignore the fact that my real mother abandonned me, so I should call this woman my mom then!'' Every case is different though! :)
It would’ve been cool if she and Shelby had more of a relationship. Quinn’s parents aren’t there for her and Shelby has given up a child like Quinn. She’d finally have someone to talk to.
Shelby is Beth’s mother, period. Shelby takes responsibility, takes care of Beth, clothes her, feeds her, and loves her unconditionally. I’m not saying that Quinn doesn’t love Beth, and I understand that she carried Beth 9 months, but Quinn was wrong. She didn’t give a damn about Beth during season two, or anytime after season three. Quinn was really irrational, and erratic during season three, and she let her emotions get the best of her.
and how would you feel if someone takes your baby and rub it in your face or going off lecturing someone for being a bad parent. You think Shelby is a saint when she slept with Puck or being restrained from a child that she gave up. Quinn lost everything, her parents shaming her and not supporting her by kicking her out of her house for being pregnant and forcing her to give up her baby, Sue forcing Jacob to go public about her and being public with it, Terri trying to steal her baby so that she can keep up a lie to Will. Do you really think it's okay for Shelby to lecture Quinn about anything when she's no different. Don't you dare tell me that Shelby is Beth's mom. She didn't have a child let alone taking care of a baby, she didn't even know what to do.
Aaron Baumbach Like I said, Quinn was not doing well at the time. How would you feel if someone tried to frame you, and then told you that you’re not your child’s parent? Quinn was a teenager, and didn’t have the means to properly take care of Beth anyways. She’s the one who gave up Beth for adoption. Shelby is simply doing her job as a mother: protecting and taking care of her child.
I agree with you so much! Quinn is actually one of my favorite characters, but she was the one who was in the wrong here. Shelby has been giving Beth love and affection and providing for her. That’s what a parent does. Quinn was selfish for trying to get Beth back cause the only reason she wanted Beth back was so she’d had something to make her feel good about herself. She even told Puck that Beth is her perfect “thing” and she can’t screw it up. Notice how once she got better this season, she lost all interest in Beth? That’s cause she didn’t actually want a child (at least not at the time). She was just depressed and feeling like she wasn’t worth anything. So she wanted Beth to make her feel better about her situation. If you’ve watched the entire show, you know Quinn has always done this. In season 1, it was her popularity. In season 2, it was her boyfriends. And this season, it was Beth. She finally realized she didn’t need any of those things to be worth something so in the end, I’m glad she wasn’t Beth’s mom. Sorry that was so long😅
She gave her up because she knew that she wouldn't be able to raise her, not because she "didn't give a damn about her". However, everything else you said, I agree with. Plus Shelby was trying to be fair and give Quinn a chance to meet her child.
She is not her mother!!! My “mother” abandoned me when I was 1 and tried to get custody of me at age 13 and “parent me” she failed miserably because she was too much of a drunk to what she was supposed to. I’ve been in foster care for 16 years now. I don’t have a mother and I’ve known that from day 1. That little girl knows who her mom is and it sure as hell isn’t Quinn.
Everyone here is saying Quinn loves Beth, but she was willing to ruin Beth’s life (when she was gonna get Shelby fired or Beth taken away by child protection services) so she could take her back. Anyone else notice how she didn’t want to be bothered with Beth in the second half of this season? Or any season after this? It’s cause she didn’t actually want a baby. She was just in a terrible headspace and so depressed. She felt like she was worthless and in the past, Quinn’s always looked to other people to validate her. In s1, it was her popularity (so her peers). In s2, it was her boyfriends. And in this season, it was Beth. The whole point of her character development though is that she didn’t need any of those things to be worth something. So I’m glad she didn’t get Beth back. It helped her realize her true worth. On another note, I don’t think Shelby or Puck should’ve pushed Quinn to go see Beth. They should’ve pushed her to go to therapy instead. Like Quinn was so depressed here and everyone was like “Come see Beth” or “Come back to glee club” and all of her problems are gonna magically disappear? Yeah I don’t think so.
I always wished that Quinn and Puck had kept the baby. I felt like it would have been great to show the struggles of trying to be teen parents, especially teen parents that were active in extra curricular activities. Honestly would have been great character development for both Puck and Quinn. Plus it would have been cool to have a "Glee baby" that would go to the competitions and have to go to rehearsal sometimes cause childcare is expensive. I would have preferred that storyline then Quinn thinking that she's still Beth's mother. Just cause you pushed the baby out doesn't mean anything.
In my opinion, the word mother is the woman who gave birth to the child and the word Mom (or Mama, Mommy, Mum) is established after there is a special bond between the mother and child. That's something that Quinn and Beth don't have. Quinn is her mother, but she is not her mom. Shelby has already a bond with Beth, therefore Beth will know her as Mom or Mommy etc. because they have a special connection. Just, my opinion.
That's just what Shelby told Rachel in the Theatricality episode. I'm really glad Idina portrayed Shelby because she's a good actress who gives this really understanding feel.
I was a adopted at a very young age. And I can say that she is not my mum. If she was she would not have kept fallen pregnant and given them up for adoption when she knew she couldn't look after them. I have always asked myself since I was a very young girl does she love me, does she remember my birthday, does she ever think about me. But now that I am a single mum all I do now is try and give my daughter the love that my biological mother never gave me. I have on some occasions thought about finding her so that she could meet her lovely granddaughter but then I come to my sense's and say no she doesn't deserve to know her my mum( adopted mum) is her nana and that's all she needs to know and when she gets older I will tell her how I was sported and if she ever wants to meet her then it will be up to her but until then just because you gave birth to baby doesn't been that your her mum. You lose that right when you give them up and get someone else to look after them
0:57 I still don't think it was fair of Rachel's dads to make her sign that contract agreeing not to approach Rachel till she was 18. They should've allowed her to contact her daughter directly if she wanted, and it'd make Rachel feel more secure knowing who her mother was, even if it was just through a weekly phone call or a Hallmark Birthday card.
What is super creepy that know one talks about is Shelby adopting a baby she knows is a students who she meant once like she even took the name Puck decided to use
Everyone in this comment section needs to realize that who Beth’s ‘real mom’ is, will be who she sees as that when she is old enough to understand. Regardless of biology and legality, it’s the child’s life in questions here. Biologically Quinn is her mother. Legally Shelby is. Who Beth will call her mother when she grows up to understand what it really means will be her choice. Quinn and Shelby’s feelings won’t matter at that point. But Quinn, regardless of the circumstances, signed Beth away to Shelby. Legally she has no rights over Beth and at this point Shelby has a right to keep her away from Beth who she is raising since day 1. If Beth later wants to meet her biological parents when she is older, the right thing to do would be for Shelby to allow her. In my opinion, both Quinn and Shelby have flaws but love Beth as mothers. But Shelby is the one fulfilling the role as Beth’s mother, and Quinn can’t deny that. Children are not toys to be tossed around and claimed. Every situation is different. My mom was raised by her grandmother, because her birth mother died and her stepmother and father didn’t care about her. She sees her bio mother as her mom even if she barely knew or remembers her. But she credits her grandmother for raising her and being her ‘parent’. That’s what SHE believes and she has a right to make that decision. Same will be for Beth. It’s her life and her choice that matters.
Yes, Quinn is no longer her mom but she never wanted to give her up it’s just she couldn’t bring her up cos she wanted the best for her. So I think some should be more affectionate towards her because it’s really hard for her.
Shelby is such a hypocrite, I actually hate her character. My blood boils when she says “I missed that chance with Rachel” because she had an opportunity to be a part of Rachel’s life, but she turned her down, claiming she missed out on too much. It is NEVER late to be a part of your child’s life, if they are willing to give it a chance, which Rachel WAS willing to do. It sucks because Shelby got what she always wanted with Beth. Shelby gets to have the daughter she always wanted, but Rachel never got the mom she always dreamed of. Shelby’s not a good mother because even though she’s there for Beth, she isn’t there for her other daughter, Rachel, and she needs her, a real mother would be able to sense that. And sidenote, I think the reason why quinn was reluctant isn’t because she didn’t want to be a part of beth’s life, she wants that, she WANTED to keep her. But I think she realizes she’ll never be Beth’s mom, as much as she wants to, and that really stings. She probably really regrets giving up her daughter and struggles with that. The issue with glee is that they never focus on character development, storyline, plot, or anything, they always just forget about it.
Sorry Quinn but no. Shelby is Beth's mum (I spell mom mum cause I am English if anyone is wondering). You gave her up for adoption, which is fine that's your choice but don't try to say that despite that you are the child's mother, the one who adopted Her, Shelby is.
Shelby had a chance with Rachel and she blew it. Sorry, Shelby but no Quinn is Beth's mom, mom with an o. Quinn didn't give up her child, her parents forced her to and it wasn't exactly her choice. Quinn is Beth's mother not Shelby.
@@aaronbaumbach2637 Quinn's parents didn't force her to give up the baby. I remember her mum told her she had installed a nursery for the child in her house in case Quinn wanted to come back. Shelby and Rachel's situation has nothing to do with this. Quinn gave up Beth, Shelby adopted her therefore Shelby is her mother. It's that simple really.
@@theyoshifankid how is it different. Actually it was Terri who told her to give up the baby to her through manipulation. Remember the reaction from Quinn's parents when they found out about her pregnancy cause of Jacob's blog which sue made public. It was Shelby who signed the adoption papers she revealed that in season 3 and rubbing it in her face too much which triggered Quinn to extremes. Just because Quinn had a hard life dosent mean you should attack her
@@aaronbaumbach2637 I'm assuming you believe birth mothers who willingly give up their children have more rights over them than the parents that adopt, raise, love and don't give up on them?
@@theyoshifankid Its not about rights, the question here is who is the childs mother, Quinn is beths only mother, Shelby looks after the baby, she is not her mother and can never be,
Feel so bad for Quinn tbh. She love Beth with all her heart but she knew that she wasn't able to raise her correctly. People act like she gave her for adoption for selfish reasons 😒 She just did what was best for Beth and thought she would be able to accept it.
Quinn can't be that mean to Shelby it is not fair.Quinn can of course see Beth but she is not her mom she is her mother.There is a difference.Your mom is the one who raises you,take cares of you and more....Your mother is the one that gives birth. It was Quinn's choice to give the baby for adoption you can't take the kid now.
oh, yes she can, she has legal rights to. Do you really think it's fair for Quinn to be kicked out of her house, forced to give up her baby, being publicly embarrassed by her fellow classmates, having Terri manipulate her to take her baby, being outed out by Sue. Quinn may be tough and mean but underneath all of that anger she actually loves her baby.
I kind of feel bad for my mum that she kept me and my sister at a young age because she missed out on so many opportunities in life but I am also glad because I love my mum.
Guccy Flip Flops this is old but at someone that had my baby at 17, there is no where I’d rather be than with my child. Trust me your mom loves you so much she doesn’t care about “missed opportunities” cause you’re the best thing that ever happened to her
I get it where Quinn is coming from I am adopted and my mom is my mom my adoptive mom is not and never will be my real mom just like Shelby wont and never will be Beth's real mom she didn't even pick her name she signed paperwork and that's it
Please don't think I'm being snarky because I'm not. I'm genuinely asking you this (also feel free not to answer this if it's too personal) but Why don't you count your adoptive mom as your true mom? Isn't she the one who raised you and and fed you and loved you? Sorry if this is offensive, I'm not adopted so I will never know what it's like. I'm just curious. My best friend is adopted and she believes and finds true that her adoptive mom is her true mom. She has a good relationship with her birth mother as well.
@@jessicastoch7042 because my adoptive mother is my blood realted grandma I was adopted by her when I eight years old my mom my real Mom birthed me carried me for months had a C section and loves me and fed me for eight years while my adoptive mom was in out of the hospital and fell into a coma I never got any love from her until I was seven years old that's why I consider my mom my real mom and my mom also considers herself my real mom not her mom
I like idea you know your adopt instead waking some day find out, Shelby wants beth to know who Quinn and puck are so she knows ware she comes from but Shelby is beth mom matter what anyone says
Tbh I think Shelby has a point if quinn didn’t clean up her act then Shelby doesn’t know what she would do with Beth so she is only trying to protect Beth not trying to keep her away for quinn
ugh, I wish they made a 20 years later story with glee, when Beth becomes older and realized Shelby is not her mom and goes searching then she goes and search for her real mom and find Quinn!!!
True, Quinn is Beth's mother, but Shelby is her Mum. The difference is that Shelby will be the one who raises her, cares for her, and will be there for her when she needs her most. Quinn will not. Quinn was the one who gave Beth up for adoption so she has absolutely no right to say something like that to Shelby. Shelby is doing Quinn an immense favour by offering for her to be part of Beth's life. A lot of adoptive parents wouldn't do that.
i personally think carrying a child inside of you for nine months does give you the right to call yourself the childs mother because that is what you technically are. Quinn is right, she is her mom but Beth is not her child anymore.
Bieebsarehot Carrying a child doesn’t make you a mother. CARING for that child day in and day out until they go off to college is what makes you a mother.
Aaron Baumbach I mean quinn is beth’s biological mom but she was never a mother to beth. Look on the news, a mother reportedly with evidence killed her son with her boyfriend. Is that still a mother to you???
The moment Puck asked her in the hospital if she wanted to keep Beth and she answered no, she lost the right to call herself Beth’s mom. She’s just a birthgiver to her.
I'm against people who give up their child BUT technically what quinn said is truth : She's beth's real mum and nothing will never change that. And its the same in real life, when the child grow up and become an adult, he/she always keep the need to know its origins and who conceive him/her. Its just like tvat, the child need to know why am i like this ? Why i looking like that and it will have all the answers only from its real parents.
personally i found it a little condescending when shelby was being specific on what milestones she didn’t want to miss right in front of quinn while she was clearly going through it
I'm adopted and regardless of what happened with Beth and Quinn, she is only her birth giver. She will not raise her, make her grow as a person, or give her what she needs. It was disrespectful.
I think who gives birth to you in a legal sense your mom until they sign that right away no matter why they did. I was also adopted and though my biological mom had good reason I don’t view her as a mother. My mom is who raised me and takes care of me day in and day out. There’s a reason adopted children say “biological parents” not “mom” and “dad” because only biology is the connection for some of us. Even if my biological mom was in my life, though I love her endlessly for giving me life she didn’t raise me. Shelby is Beths mom because she raises her and takes care of her. Quinn signed those rights away weather you want to believe it was for herself or Beth she did. That doesn’t mean Quinn can’t be in beths life but she just isn’t her mom anymore except for biologically. Family doesn’t have to be blood. Family is who takes care of you, loves you, and will do anything to see that you are the best you can be
if quinn truly wanted to be beth's mother she would've tried to at least bond with her. she's just saying "you're not her mother, i am" without anything to show for it and it's just plain hypocrisy
People are focusing on the storyline and the you’re not her mom line but dianna played this story so well. Look at her eyes. As soon as Shelby’s said she didn’t want to miss on Beth’s life Quinn’s eyes became so sad because she knew she was missing out on Beth’s life and then Shelby listed every milestone out and it was like rubbing salt in the wound and that’s why Quinn cut her off. Then Shelby dangles a carrot in front of her only to take it away so Quinn does what she does best when she is upset she gets angry and that’s why she said what she said.
quinn was clearly depressed and unmotivated here and everyone just treated it like "unecessary rebelious teen drama" and, instead of helping her, demanded she cleaned up her act. she had every fucking right to see her child.
They all had been helping her four two years, then she goes off smoking, drinking, skipping school blaming everyone else. It was her own fault. If she wanted to see her daughter, the adoptive mother has the right to refuse until the child is 16. So she was completely justified.
Quinn fans will hate me but I really don’t give a flying flip, you can’t call yourself a mother just because you give birth, Shelby is far better for Beth, yes she messed up with Rachel but she gets that and wants to do right by Beth which is more then Quinn does.
The truth is is that I kinda see Quinn's side of this. She felt tormented, because as soon as the idea of seeing her daughter is brought up, she is immediately told to change, because Shelby doesn't like it.Beth didn't want her to change Puck don't want her to change, Shelby was the one in her face. Its pretty obvious that Quinn was like that because she wanted to change in order for her problems to leave her alone, but in her mind her problems (namely shelby) come back anyway. So yeah it is kinda tormenting to think about. So you can't blame her for grasping at straws and pointed out the one technicality, which is the simple fact that she is the biological mother. The truth is is that she didn't really want Shelby and Shelby can't exactly tell her what to do.
Ebi Manami 2nd hand Smoking is very damaging. The “oh my foster parents did it so its ok” argument is invalid. Also Quinn tried to get Shelby arrested for no reason and than called her a whore. I would never let Quinn around her after that.
i absolutely love Quinn, and i hate how the producers and directors just dropped her after like season 4, but this scene makes me so mad. Shelby tells Quinn that she wants her to get to know Beth, but once Quinn actually gets her shit together, Shelby doesn’t want her around Beth anymore. breaks my heart for both her and Puck
I don't rly get it sry is shelby Rachels mom shelby gave Rachel away for adoption shelby takes care of Beth alot quinn is saying she is the mum plz don't hate
Just Me Shelby is Rachael's biological mother but gave her away for adoption. Quinn is Beth's biological mother but gave her away and Shelby is Beth's adoptive mother.
Shelby is actually Rachel’s surrogate mother, meaning that Rachel never actually belonged to Shelby, Quinn gave birth to Beth so she is Beth’s biological mother, but Quinn gave Beth up for adoption, Shelby adopted Beth from Quinn making Shelby Beth’s mother
I'm probably gonna get so much hate saying this but I really can't stand Quinn in the 3rd season. I really can't. I'm not fam of Quinn in any of the seasons really, but 3rd season is where it really gets bad. Yes, I know she's dealing with ALOT of mental health issues and I'm not excusing that, but it doesn't give her a reason to treat people like crap. That's like saying a bully who is getting picked on at home, makes it okay for them to bully at school. It's not okay, it just a reason why they bully. Everyone really tired to help Quinn. Even Shelby asked if she was okay cause she knew that under that pink hair, and dark eyeliner, there is a little hurt girl under there. And all Quinn does is insult and make her feel as bad as Quinn feels. Quinn signed those paper, Beth belongs to Shelby now, and Shelby is even offering for Quinn to see her, which most adopted parents won't do. But Quinn decides to plant DRUGS in the women's house to make her seem like an unfit mother!? That is inexcusable! Quinn is just a unforgivable mean person to the people who she who is trying to help her. Like Rachel, Shue, Sam even, and she backstabbed them for no real reason! I just think Quinn just needed YEARS a therapy! Loll!
I.m don.t care Quinn side at Shelby will getting fired with Quinn his baby daddy Noah are upset for dating thing i.m don.t like pink hair i.m saying to you Grown up that.s Rachel his mother not her this season 3 Quinn changed his whole life get mad at Shelby next day did not get baby back from Noah currying Beth that.s was Quinn his baby now now get out Shelby
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I think a lot of people forget that Quinn didn’t give Beth up because she didn’t want her but because she couldn’t have her. She had absolutely no support system and from the moment she conceived Beth, she was thinking about the best possible option for her, which is what led to her choosing adoption. Though she was very much wrong in saying that Shelby isn’t Beth’s mom, you have to understand that she’s speaking from the perspective of a mom who gave birth to a child she loves and wanted the best for her, not a mom who choose adoption for convenience (because she truly considered keeping Beth until she realized she would be alone, as she couldn’t rely on Finn, Puck, or her parents)
Her mom divorced her dad and told quin she could move in with her so she could help raise the baby and quin could finish school... So what you're saying isn't true
chiraine1 but at that point she had already seen that her family turned her back on her & could do it again. she had made the decision because she didn’t want that happening & wanted a life that beth could actually live out .
Quinn didn't just give up Beth for Beth, she mostly gave her up for herself. All that really mattered to Quinn was getting back her social status. There's nothing wrong with admitting she was selfish because she did do the right thing by giving her up. She just can't pick and choose when she wants to claim Beth and be in her life.
A'Mariah Lovelace Quinn definitely didn’t entirely give up Beth for herself. The whole point of her lying to Finn was so Beth could have a good father in her life and be secured. There’s multiple instances where Quinn considered Beth’s future in the storyline (tho I won’t deny that Quinn is definitely a selfish person)
@@ladyblubel I said mostly. And still she was always inconsistent. Even while telling Finn the baby was his she was going to give the baby to Terry, then when it was out that Puck was the father she wanted to keep her. Then give her up again. Her indecisiveness would not have been fair to the baby. You can't just choose when you want to be a mom. You're either in or out. And then how she went about trying to get her back was horrible and proof that she was not ready to raise a child.
"Gonna throw ketchup-covered tampons at the marching band"
Also Quinn: "I'm HeR mOm!" Clearly she's so mature and ready to be Beth's mother.
@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 She’s 17 and she had no choice but to lose her daughter she’s obviously not mature enough but we shouldn’t be that hard on her it’s a really tough thing to go through she’s just a child
Idina's so beautiful! ❤
I would not have recognized her had you not pointed it out
Bitch where
It's annoying me all these comments saying Quinn is Beths mom like no she isn't. Just because you give birth to someone doesn't make you a mother. A mother is someone who looks after you, raises you, cares for you and loves you unconditionally. Quinn gave up the right to call herself Beths mom the minute she signed this adoption papers. Shelby is and will always be Beths mom. I know for a fact as someone who is adopted that my family who adopted me are my mom and dad not Chloe ( my birth mom ) who I see.
Kasey Klark Plus she reason she wanted Beth back was selfish. She said "Beth is perfect. My perfect thing." THING?? She just wanted her back so she could feel good about herself.
Quinn is more Beth's mother than could ever be she only only gave Beth up to Shelby because she couldn't give her a good life due to the lack of support. In the hospital scene when Beth is born she is upset when Shelby got there because it was the birth of HER child and didn't want it ruined by a lady swooping in to take her daughter away from her
It takes more than blood and DNA to be a mother. Some children are raised by aunts, neighbors, strangers all looking for the best interested. Some kids don't even know where there mom's even are. Anyone can produce a child, but not everyone can be a mother.
Robyn Murphy-Erickson so what quinns immature and a bad mom
Remember what Yondu said: "He may have been your father boy, but he wasn't your daddy."
Man, this is heartbreaking. I know people have differing opinions about who Beth's mom is. Personally, I kinda think both of them are. I'm basing this off of how they feel about her. Quinn loves Beth with all her heart. Throughout the first season, she struggled with her decision. At first, she thought she and Finn could raise the baby together. And she even wanted to raise her with Puck since he was the father. But Puck showed how, despite how much he may want to be a good father, he wasn't mature enough, and neither was she. She wanted to be with Puck in a relationship, not having him run around with girls leaving her to do most of the work. That was the impression she got of how it would go at the time. So she went with secretly having Will adopt her because she thought he'd make a good father. Then Will's marriage blows up and her parents disown her for being pregnant. She realizes she doesn't have the support she would need to be a good mother. Puck struggled between wanting to be with his child and wanting to be free, something Quinn saw that made her feel their raising Beth wouldn't work out. So she chose adoption. She still wanted Beth, but she knew that without a strong support system in place, she wouldn't be able to raise Beth on her own. She still wasn't ready for the real world. She was living at her friend's houses, but she didn't have a permanent place to raise Beth. She still wanted Beth. It's something she struggled with throughout season 2 as well. And her heartbreak over not being able to be Beth's full-time mom combined with her breakup with Finn made her have an identity crisis. She still felt like Beth's mom. However, Shelby is her mom, too. Shelby has been there everyday for her. Just like Quinn chose adoption for the best interests of her child, Shelby chose a job closer to home that wouldn't keep her away from Beth. They BOTH chose Beth. If Quinn had been able to, I believe she would have kept Beth. So in my opinion, they're both Beth's mothers, in different ways. They both love her like a mom.
Soo true
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Late reaction but this is so true! We should also take into consideration that she was a teen when she had Beth and without her parents' support and even Puck's, she felt hopeless. The probable reason why she's acting like that is because she's lost. She doesn't have her child and is seeking for love and admiration from other places
It's heartbreaking alright. It's painful to lose a baby to someone else especially when Puck didn't show signs of taking care of his daughter when he goes around with other woman and fighting with his best friend, he may talk about having responsibility for a child but does he have a responsibility for Beth? Quinn lied about who was the father because she didn't want to raise Beth with Puck. She thought that Finn was the father because she felt safe with him. I don't think Puck had the right to lecture Finn when he's not doing anything to help Quinn either. I know what Quinn did was wrong but she was scared and unprepared for a child. a good father would step up and be there for his daughter and not going out with other woman.
Kayla Gariepy super late but this is so true. People are hating on Quinn, saying she made this choice. But in an way, she didn’t. The choice was pushed on her because she was a student... she was just a teen who wasn’t ready for adulthood. A lot of factors affected her decision. Just because she gave her up, doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Beth. It also shouldn’t make her less of her mother.
Like take Rachel’s mother. Even though she isn’t in her life, Rachel considers her her mother and the two still have a somewhat close relationship.
Quinn was wrong here... but she was blinded by heartbreak... She gave birth to her... and will always love her. She did give birth to her after all...
I’m gonna use a quote form glee that Shelby said to Rachel “I’m your birth mother but I’m not your mom.” I think that this is a good example for the scene, yes Quinn is her mother biologically but Shelby is her mom.
Why? Because Quinn signed a piece of paper? What decides the worthiness of somebody being mother?
Would a mother separated from her child by circumstances but never stop loving the child any less "deserving" than the person who raised the child afterwards?
There's no clear definition of this pal, get your head over your ass.
Shelby gave up Rachel emotionally, that is what makes her not Rachel mother, not any legal writings that can vary by governmental regulation.
I agree with this quote because in the end it's the child that decides who is her real mother. So in this case Beth has two, Quinn who gave birth to her and loved her even though she gave her up and Shelby who's raising her.
I grew up with a similar quote “Anyone can become a father, but it takes someone truely special to be called ‘Dad’…
@@markarmage3776 Quinn isn't Beth's "mom" not because a piece of paper was signed, but because she wasn't there. She can love her dearly and deeply, and she obviously does, but ultimately it's Shelby who is up in the middle of the night soothing the baby back to sleep, it'll be Shelby who teaches her to tie her shoes, and it'll be Shelby who comforts her when she's heartbroken. Shelby is the one raising her, she's her mom
@@pandakatiefominz Again, back at that time Beth is only 1 year old.
There's plenty of time left to be a "mother". Come on, pal.
*She was your mother Beth. But she wasn’t your Mommy*
Yonduuuuuu
sad.
I understood that reference.
Lol that reference
There is a big difference between the woman who gives birth to a child and a mum. A mum is the one who nurtures and loves the child throughout it's life.
A mother is the female biological parent, whether she is a good one or not.....
@@btai3330 biologically yes. But when you give a child up for adoption it is no longer yours.
I just farted exactly why can’t people just except this and get they heads out of their asses? I was adopted at a very young age, around 4 months. And I consider my mom and dad now well my real mom and dad because they’re the ones who have raised me this whole time. I’m not even sure I want to know who my biological parents are
Shes not Rachels mom! Wow, she gave Rachel up and get another child and than not be in Rachels life! wow...!
@@GabesEdtiz Then you'd probably be stupid.
But that's your choice.
What happened to your biological parents within those 4 months after you were born? Do they stop loving you or is it because they love you that they let you go?
Only the Americans and Westerners have this sick view on family bond, it's like, hey you signed a piece of paper, by the power vested in God star spangled awesome, you're emotionally blank.
She lost the right to call herself Beth's mom the second she signed those adoption papers
i completely agree there is a major difference someone's mother and actually being someone's mom, Beth knows Shelby as her mom not Quinn
And actually in the episode Theatricality, Shelby tells Rachel, "It's because I'm your mother, but I'm not your mom." Rachel understood that while Quinn is being ungrateful and really doesn't understand that Shelby has it much harder than Quinn due to seeing her daughter all grown up and can make her own decisions without Shelby around even though Rachel is hurt by this. I really wish Shelby told Quinn to think of being in her position and having to deal with a grown up Beth in front of her.
Scrappy CoCo Um no that isn't true at all. She's still her mother. She may not raise her, but they are both her mom.
ok what I meant to say there is a difference of being someone's mom and mother, Quinn is Beth's biological mother, she doesn't know Quinn as her mom, Shelby is Beth's mom
She has an open adoption so yes she does...
One of my favourite Quinn scenes
Dianna is such an amazing actress and definelity the best glee actress
I'm so proud of little lamb💕
Great character but then got demoted to guest star 😢😥
+Jonathan Mbuyi because dianna agron got many projects
+Rommel Priela yeah and I'm so happy about that
Remember when Beth was gonna be named Drizzle?
To be fair, I think that idea was Puck's, not Quinn's.
@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 um, no? That was Finn's idea-
@@shnugglebugs5524 Oh, idk I haven't seen the show in a while. Lol
@@shnugglebugs5524 Exactly.
Both are ugly names
As someone who's adopted for me personally my biological mother was not and is not my mum. She willingly gave me up after years of people trying to help her to raise me. She gave me up for her own selfishness and unwillingness to change and adapt, yet this didn't stop her from having another kid. When i was a child all i wanted was to have some type of relationship with her the way she did my younger brother but she never did and now that I've realised I dont need her approval or her in my life she suddenly wants that. Now I go through life receiving messages from her and my half brother about how I'm the one who destroyed are family because I don't want anything to do with her.
Family is who loves you. Cares for you. Helps your grow and develope as a human being. Having your back. My ADOPTED family.
So to all the people who have children the minute you decide you don't want them because their an inconvenience to your life you no longer get to claim them as your. Your not their mum so don't claim to be.
Sorry it's so long. I just got pissed of with what she said.
bing bong ok I'm sorry to say this but your mom didn't want you. She got help from family and friends but still gave you up. Quinn wasn't ready for a baby. She's a teenager
Lori Bush don't worry. I know she didn't want me. She was 19 when she had me. Not as young as Quinn but still.
You are right!
Yeah but it's different for quinn because she was what 16? Really confused didn't have her family to help her through and unreliable cheating puck was the only one trying to convince her to keep the baby. Quinn always regretted giving her baby up from the moment she did it she seemed sad all the time. Quinn wanted her daughter back way before the time Beth could even say the words mama.
Ambereigh no her mom took her back the second her water broke she had support
I see where Quinn is coming from she’s young and did the right thing for Beth. But she will always have that biological mom feeling she carried Beth for 9 months and will always want and have that connection with her
You can see after the Bohemian Rhapsody, once she held her little Beth in her arms she fell in love at first sight
Everyone should have seen that Quinn had postpartum depression. This was her crying out for help.
I feel like an adopted child should get to know both, mother is a feeling and a person. Shelby is the feeling of the mother, she is Beth's mom bc she loves her unconditionally. But Beth is Quinn's flesh and blood, she was apart of Quinn for 9 months, and Quinn loves her unconditionally too. Ik sometimes most adoption cases don't work like that, but in their case, it's not Shelby or Quinn, it's both.
Lexi C if Quinn loved her unconditionally she wouldn’t of given away 🤷🏻♀️
Princess, read up on adoption before you make more prejudiced statements
Kira M I have. Quinn is an unfit mother, she never even sees Beth after season 3
assyrianprincess you clearly haven’t, she gave her up so she could have a better life with someone else who could provide for her. Quinn was very young when she had her. She needs to grow up before she might have seen her.
Kira M I understand that part. But the thing is she immediately gave her away without even thinking about it but then after one season she suddenly gets on a high horse of “shes mine not yours” and then after that never mentioned or even went to see her again. Im just saying if Quinn really cared about beth and wanted her back she should of thought about it before giving her up from the get go. She only loved beth when it was convenient for her. She thought of beth more as an item than as a baby. Are we also gonna pretend that Quinn trying to get Shelby arrested was not pscho af?
Personally I was adopted in China by the amazing person who raised me and I call her my mother. My biological mother couldn’t afford to raise me properly and decided to send me to a place where someone can taught me and love me like any other child deserves. I do not see how Quinn is the “real” mother to Beth. People came to me saying “I am so disappointed there is no way I can have a baby that comes from me and my partner. Adopting will not be the same as if he or she was from me” I think the love of a parent is what really bond the family together, not the bloodline 😌❤️
Maybe you have taught yourself to think this way, because of your situation, but a mother is the female biological parent, regardless of wether or not they were a good or present parent...
@@btai3330 I did not taught myself that, it was just a natural thing. I do understand that technically, the person who gave birth to me is indeed related to me. But I do consider the woman who adopted me my mother. I would not be able to call my biological mother ''mom''. I hope you understand my point of view and I did not grow up saying to myself ''I want to ignore the fact that my real mother abandonned me, so I should call this woman my mom then!'' Every case is different though! :)
It would’ve been cool if she and Shelby had more of a relationship. Quinn’s parents aren’t there for her and Shelby has given up a child like Quinn. She’d finally have someone to talk to.
1:36 She was telling herself that, she just didn't realise it
Shelby is Beth’s mother, period. Shelby takes responsibility, takes care of Beth, clothes her, feeds her, and loves her unconditionally. I’m not saying that Quinn doesn’t love Beth, and I understand that she carried Beth 9 months, but Quinn was wrong. She didn’t give a damn about Beth during season two, or anytime after season three. Quinn was really irrational, and erratic during season three, and she let her emotions get the best of her.
and how would you feel if someone takes your baby and rub it in your face or going off lecturing someone for being a bad parent. You think Shelby is a saint when she slept with Puck or being restrained from a child that she gave up. Quinn lost everything, her parents shaming her and not supporting her by kicking her out of her house for being pregnant and forcing her to give up her baby, Sue forcing Jacob to go public about her and being public with it, Terri trying to steal her baby so that she can keep up a lie to Will. Do you really think it's okay for Shelby to lecture Quinn about anything when she's no different. Don't you dare tell me that Shelby is Beth's mom. She didn't have a child let alone taking care of a baby, she didn't even know what to do.
Aaron Baumbach Like I said, Quinn was not doing well at the time. How would you feel if someone tried to frame you, and then told you that you’re not your child’s parent? Quinn was a teenager, and didn’t have the means to properly take care of Beth anyways. She’s the one who gave up Beth for adoption. Shelby is simply doing her job as a mother: protecting and taking care of her child.
I agree with you so much! Quinn is actually one of my favorite characters, but she was the one who was in the wrong here. Shelby has been giving Beth love and affection and providing for her. That’s what a parent does.
Quinn was selfish for trying to get Beth back cause the only reason she wanted Beth back was so she’d had something to make her feel good about herself. She even told Puck that Beth is her perfect “thing” and she can’t screw it up. Notice how once she got better this season, she lost all interest in Beth? That’s cause she didn’t actually want a child (at least not at the time). She was just depressed and feeling like she wasn’t worth anything. So she wanted Beth to make her feel better about her situation. If you’ve watched the entire show, you know Quinn has always done this. In season 1, it was her popularity. In season 2, it was her boyfriends. And this season, it was Beth. She finally realized she didn’t need any of those things to be worth something so in the end, I’m glad she wasn’t Beth’s mom.
Sorry that was so long😅
Idc ? EXACTLY. You hit the nail right in the head.
She gave her up because she knew that she wouldn't be able to raise her, not because she "didn't give a damn about her". However, everything else you said, I agree with. Plus Shelby was trying to be fair and give Quinn a chance to meet her child.
She is not her mother!!! My “mother” abandoned me when I was 1 and tried to get custody of me at age 13 and “parent me” she failed miserably because she was too much of a drunk to what she was supposed to. I’ve been in foster care for 16 years now. I don’t have a mother and I’ve known that from day 1. That little girl knows who her mom is and it sure as hell isn’t Quinn.
Everyone here is saying Quinn loves Beth, but she was willing to ruin Beth’s life (when she was gonna get Shelby fired or Beth taken away by child protection services) so she could take her back. Anyone else notice how she didn’t want to be bothered with Beth in the second half of this season? Or any season after this? It’s cause she didn’t actually want a baby. She was just in a terrible headspace and so depressed. She felt like she was worthless and in the past, Quinn’s always looked to other people to validate her. In s1, it was her popularity (so her peers). In s2, it was her boyfriends. And in this season, it was Beth. The whole point of her character development though is that she didn’t need any of those things to be worth something. So I’m glad she didn’t get Beth back. It helped her realize her true worth.
On another note, I don’t think Shelby or Puck should’ve pushed Quinn to go see Beth. They should’ve pushed her to go to therapy instead. Like Quinn was so depressed here and everyone was like “Come see Beth” or “Come back to glee club” and all of her problems are gonna magically disappear? Yeah I don’t think so.
I always wished that Quinn and Puck had kept the baby. I felt like it would have been great to show the struggles of trying to be teen parents, especially teen parents that were active in extra curricular activities. Honestly would have been great character development for both Puck and Quinn. Plus it would have been cool to have a "Glee baby" that would go to the competitions and have to go to rehearsal sometimes cause childcare is expensive. I would have preferred that storyline then Quinn thinking that she's still Beth's mother. Just cause you pushed the baby out doesn't mean anything.
I love her eyes
Every time Indina Mendel opens her mouth I only hear Elsa coz she is Elda's voice
Menzel *
Quinn: "You're not her mom! I'm her mom!"
Shelby: "Let her goooo, let her goooo!"
I'm sorry that was mean. I had to.
I h4eared Elphaba from Wicked.
“ we’re gonna throw ketchup covered tampons at the marching band” this is me
It's interesting how Shelby gave Rachel up for adoption when she was in High School then decide to adopt Quinn baby!
She literally didn’t? Shelby was a surrogate
In my opinion, the word mother is the woman who gave birth to the child and the word Mom (or Mama, Mommy, Mum) is established after there is a special bond between the mother and child.
That's something that Quinn and Beth don't have. Quinn is her mother, but she is not her mom.
Shelby has already a bond with Beth, therefore Beth will know her as Mom or Mommy etc. because they have a special connection.
Just, my opinion.
That's just what Shelby told Rachel in the Theatricality episode. I'm really glad Idina portrayed Shelby because she's a good actress who gives this really understanding feel.
I was a adopted at a very young age. And I can say that she is not my mum. If she was she would not have kept fallen pregnant and given them up for adoption when she knew she couldn't look after them. I have always asked myself since I was a very young girl does she love me, does she remember my birthday, does she ever think about me. But now that I am a single mum all I do now is try and give my daughter the love that my biological mother never gave me. I have on some occasions thought about finding her so that she could meet her lovely granddaughter but then I come to my sense's and say no she doesn't deserve to know her my mum( adopted mum) is her nana and that's all she needs to know and when she gets older I will tell her how I was sported and if she ever wants to meet her then it will be up to her but until then just because you gave birth to baby doesn't been that your her mum. You lose that right when you give them up and get someone else to look after them
Quinn is beth's mother. It takes a hell of a lot more to be a mom.
+Hannah Shin that's exactly what I meant. sorry if it came across differently
She’s not Beth’s mother, Shelby is.
No she isn't! Grow up! Shelby is the one who loves her who takes care of her
Oh I love this one. I like when they go nuts and blow up.
Puck’s disappointed father look when Quinn storms out and his apologetic look at Shelby!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
0:57 I still don't think it was fair of Rachel's dads to make her sign that contract agreeing not to approach Rachel till she was 18. They should've allowed her to contact her daughter directly if she wanted, and it'd make Rachel feel more secure knowing who her mother was, even if it was just through a weekly phone call or a Hallmark Birthday card.
What is super creepy that know one talks about is Shelby adopting a baby she knows is a students who she meant once like she even took the name Puck decided to use
Shelbys and quinns voices sound similar
No. You gave up the right to be her mom for her best interest. You no longer have any claim or right.
i’ll be honest. sometimes i click on these videos just for the comments
I give child up but I’m still in her life and her father too now she 10 years old
Everyone in this comment section needs to realize that who Beth’s ‘real mom’ is, will be who she sees as that when she is old enough to understand. Regardless of biology and legality, it’s the child’s life in questions here. Biologically Quinn is her mother. Legally Shelby is. Who Beth will call her mother when she grows up to understand what it really means will be her choice. Quinn and Shelby’s feelings won’t matter at that point. But Quinn, regardless of the circumstances, signed Beth away to Shelby. Legally she has no rights over Beth and at this point Shelby has a right to keep her away from Beth who she is raising since day 1. If Beth later wants to meet her biological parents when she is older, the right thing to do would be for Shelby to allow her. In my opinion, both Quinn and Shelby have flaws but love Beth as mothers. But Shelby is the one fulfilling the role as Beth’s mother, and Quinn can’t deny that. Children are not toys to be tossed around and claimed. Every situation is different. My mom was raised by her grandmother, because her birth mother died and her stepmother and father didn’t care about her. She sees her bio mother as her mom even if she barely knew or remembers her. But she credits her grandmother for raising her and being her ‘parent’. That’s what SHE believes and she has a right to make that decision. Same will be for Beth. It’s her life and her choice that matters.
post the Santana and Brittany moment where they were talking before Sue put dirt in their lockers.
Yes, Quinn is no longer her mom but she never wanted to give her up it’s just she couldn’t bring her up cos she wanted the best for her. So I think some should be more affectionate towards her because it’s really hard for her.
Shelby is such a hypocrite, I actually hate her character. My blood boils when she says “I missed that chance with Rachel” because she had an opportunity to be a part of Rachel’s life, but she turned her down, claiming she missed out on too much. It is NEVER late to be a part of your child’s life, if they are willing to give it a chance, which Rachel WAS willing to do. It sucks because Shelby got what she always wanted with Beth. Shelby gets to have the daughter she always wanted, but Rachel never got the mom she always dreamed of. Shelby’s not a good mother because even though she’s there for Beth, she isn’t there for her other daughter, Rachel, and she needs her, a real mother would be able to sense that.
And sidenote, I think the reason why quinn was reluctant isn’t because she didn’t want to be a part of beth’s life, she wants that, she WANTED to keep her. But I think she realizes she’ll never be Beth’s mom, as much as she wants to, and that really stings. She probably really regrets giving up her daughter and struggles with that. The issue with glee is that they never focus on character development, storyline, plot, or anything, they always just forget about it.
Sorry Quinn but no. Shelby is Beth's mum (I spell mom mum cause I am English if anyone is wondering). You gave her up for adoption, which is fine that's your choice but don't try to say that despite that you are the child's mother, the one who adopted Her, Shelby is.
Shelby had a chance with Rachel and she blew it. Sorry, Shelby but no Quinn is Beth's mom, mom with an o. Quinn didn't give up her child, her parents forced her to and it wasn't exactly her choice. Quinn is Beth's mother not Shelby.
@@aaronbaumbach2637 Quinn's parents didn't force her to give up the baby. I remember her mum told her she had installed a nursery for the child in her house in case Quinn wanted to come back.
Shelby and Rachel's situation has nothing to do with this. Quinn gave up Beth, Shelby adopted her therefore Shelby is her mother. It's that simple really.
@@theyoshifankid how is it different. Actually it was Terri who told her to give up the baby to her through manipulation. Remember the reaction from Quinn's parents when they found out about her pregnancy cause of Jacob's blog which sue made public. It was Shelby who signed the adoption papers she revealed that in season 3 and rubbing it in her face too much which triggered Quinn to extremes. Just because Quinn had a hard life dosent mean you should attack her
@@aaronbaumbach2637 I'm assuming you believe birth mothers who willingly give up their children have more rights over them than the parents that adopt, raise, love and don't give up on them?
@@theyoshifankid Its not about rights, the question here is who is the childs mother, Quinn is beths only mother, Shelby looks after the baby, she is not her mother and can never be,
Feel so bad for Quinn tbh. She love Beth with all her heart but she knew that she wasn't able to raise her correctly. People act like she gave her for adoption for selfish reasons 😒 She just did what was best for Beth and thought she would be able to accept it.
Someone can be your mother but never be your mom
the point is she needs to clean up her act for beth, not for shelby cuz her ridiculous act is a bad influence
At the end Beth decides who her Mom is if she wants both she can have both if she wants one the one she wants is her Mom she chooses
Quinn: your not her mum, im her mum.
It’s not fair for Quinn to call Beth her mom she gave up that right when she handed Beth over
Quinn can't be that mean to Shelby it is not fair.Quinn can of course see Beth but she is not her mom she is her mother.There is a difference.Your mom is the one who raises you,take cares of you and more....Your mother is the one that gives birth. It was Quinn's choice to give the baby for adoption you can't take the kid now.
oh, yes she can, she has legal rights to. Do you really think it's fair for Quinn to be kicked out of her house, forced to give up her baby, being publicly embarrassed by her fellow classmates, having Terri manipulate her to take her baby, being outed out by Sue. Quinn may be tough and mean but underneath all of that anger she actually loves her baby.
I kind of feel bad for my mum that she kept me and my sister at a young age because she missed out on so many opportunities in life but I am also glad because I love my mum.
Guccy Flip Flops this is old but at someone that had my baby at 17, there is no where I’d rather be than with my child. Trust me your mom loves you so much she doesn’t care about “missed opportunities” cause you’re the best thing that ever happened to her
I get it where Quinn is coming from I am adopted and my mom is my mom my adoptive mom is not and never will be my real mom just like Shelby wont and never will be Beth's real mom she didn't even pick her name she signed paperwork and that's it
Please don't think I'm being snarky because I'm not. I'm genuinely asking you this (also feel free not to answer this if it's too personal) but Why don't you count your adoptive mom as your true mom? Isn't she the one who raised you and and fed you and loved you?
Sorry if this is offensive, I'm not adopted so I will never know what it's like. I'm just curious.
My best friend is adopted and she believes and finds true that her adoptive mom is her true mom. She has a good relationship with her birth mother as well.
@@jessicastoch7042 because my adoptive mother is my blood realted grandma I was adopted by her when I eight years old my mom my real Mom birthed me carried me for months had a C section and loves me and fed me for eight years while my adoptive mom was in out of the hospital and fell into a coma I never got any love from her until I was seven years old that's why I consider my mom my real mom and my mom also considers herself my real mom not her mom
@@noellegeldon202 Sorry to hear that, that must have been very difficult.
@@jessicastoch7042 it was but you asked
@@noellegeldon202 I appreciate you sharing.
Mother=\= mom
1:39 tho
I like idea you know your adopt instead waking some day find out, Shelby wants beth to know who Quinn and puck are so she knows ware she comes from but Shelby is beth mom matter what anyone says
Tbh I think Shelby has a point if quinn didn’t clean up her act then Shelby doesn’t know what she would do with Beth so she is only trying to protect Beth not trying to keep her away for quinn
There’s a difference between being a mother and being a mom
I say both Quinn and Shelby play a crucial part in Beth’s life; Quinn being the one that birthed Beth and Shelby being the one that raised her
Dayummmm Quinn that’s true tho
ugh, I wish they made a 20 years later story with glee, when Beth becomes older and realized Shelby is not her mom and goes searching then she goes and search for her real mom and find Quinn!!!
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Shelby is her real mom, the mom is the one who does the parenting not the one who delivers the baby
The ugly duckling grew INTO a swan
Glee is my favorite show EVER!!!!!!!!!!
Quinn will always be her mother shelby just addopted her and is raiseing her but when beth is old enough she can go see quinn she has the right to
True, Quinn is Beth's mother, but Shelby is her Mum. The difference is that Shelby will be the one who raises her, cares for her, and will be there for her when she needs her most. Quinn will not. Quinn was the one who gave Beth up for adoption so she has absolutely no right to say something like that to Shelby. Shelby is doing Quinn an immense favour by offering for her to be part of Beth's life. A lot of adoptive parents wouldn't do that.
Quinn is Beth's mother
Shelby is Beth's mum
i personally think carrying a child inside of you for nine months does give you the right to call yourself the childs mother because that is what you technically are. Quinn is right, she is her mom but Beth is not her child anymore.
Bieebsarehot giving birth to a child doesn't make you the mom. Quinn gave up her child making it Shelby's.
Quin maybe Beth's mother but she is not her mom shelby is
Bieebsarehot Carrying a child doesn’t make you a mother. CARING for that child day in and day out until they go off to college is what makes you a mother.
SHUT UP! Quinn is Beth's mom. LIKE I SAID TO THE OTHER PERSON STOP WITH THE JUDGMENTAL COMMENTS. I MEAN IT THIS TIME
Aaron Baumbach I mean quinn is beth’s biological mom but she was never a mother to beth. Look on the news, a mother reportedly with evidence killed her son with her boyfriend. Is that still a mother to you???
The moment Puck asked her in the hospital if she wanted to keep Beth and she answered no, she lost the right to call herself Beth’s mom. She’s just a birthgiver to her.
I'm against people who give up their child BUT technically what quinn said is truth : She's beth's real mum and nothing will never change that. And its the same in real life, when the child grow up and become an adult, he/she always keep the need to know its origins and who conceive him/her. Its just like tvat, the child need to know why am i like this ? Why i looking like that and it will have all the answers only from its real parents.
honestly the "your not her mother" is a horrible thing to say to adoptive parents
Quinn..ugh.....goodness I don't like her my goodness
Is Quinn the punk haired girl or is that Shelby
+Shamma Alamimi Quinn's the punk haired girl
quinn is just so mean
Hosannaly Xiong She changed in the later seasons.
Hosannaly Xiong
tbh I think that it’s Beth’s choice on who her mum is! that’s what a lot of people do :/
1:40
personally i found it a little condescending when shelby was being specific on what milestones she didn’t want to miss right in front of quinn while she was clearly going through it
I'm adopted and regardless of what happened with Beth and Quinn, she is only her birth giver. She will not raise her, make her grow as a person, or give her what she needs. It was disrespectful.
And I don’t act like that
Lea and Idina really do look alike, it's shocking that they're not related.
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Shelby should gain full custody of Beth shelby would make a good mun
They should’ve thought about Beth’s need first. Isn’t it gonna be confusing for her if her biological mom sporadically visits her throughout her life?
No that's how an open adoption can work
QUINN IS BETH BIOLOGICAL MOTHER NOT HER MOM ANY WOMAN CAN BE A MOTHER BUT IT TAKES A LADY TO BE A MOM
I think who gives birth to you in a legal sense your mom until they sign that right away no matter why they did. I was also adopted and though my biological mom had good reason I don’t view her as a mother. My mom is who raised me and takes care of me day in and day out. There’s a reason adopted children say “biological parents” not “mom” and “dad” because only biology is the connection for some of us. Even if my biological mom was in my life, though I love her endlessly for giving me life she didn’t raise me. Shelby is Beths mom because she raises her and takes care of her. Quinn signed those rights away weather you want to believe it was for herself or Beth she did. That doesn’t mean Quinn can’t be in beths life but she just isn’t her mom anymore except for biologically. Family doesn’t have to be blood. Family is who takes care of you, loves you, and will do anything to see that you are the best you can be
You give birth, completely ignore your child and then call yourself her mom. The audacity
oh shoot it’s elsa
Prinz
if quinn truly wanted to be beth's mother she would've tried to at least bond with her. she's just saying "you're not her mother, i am" without anything to show for it and it's just plain hypocrisy
Well its not like she could keep her shes in highschool
People are focusing on the storyline and the you’re not her mom line but dianna played this story so well. Look at her eyes. As soon as Shelby’s said she didn’t want to miss on Beth’s life Quinn’s eyes became so sad because she knew she was missing out on Beth’s life and then Shelby listed every milestone out and it was like rubbing salt in the wound and that’s why Quinn cut her off.
Then Shelby dangles a carrot in front of her only to take it away so Quinn does what she does best when she is upset she gets angry and that’s why she said what she said.
Being a mother is not about biology. That was the point that I really started to hate Quinn.
quinn was clearly depressed and unmotivated here and everyone just treated it like "unecessary rebelious teen drama" and, instead of helping her, demanded she cleaned up her act. she had every fucking right to see her child.
gigi g.,a That's not how adoption works
They all had been helping her four two years, then she goes off smoking, drinking, skipping school blaming everyone else. It was her own fault. If she wanted to see her daughter, the adoptive mother has the right to refuse until the child is 16. So she was completely justified.
gigi g.,a totally agree you never take a mothers child away no matter what....
Postpartum depression is a thing though and it isn't the mothers choice if she suffers from it
She adopted it, she GAVE it away. After that, she has no right to call herself the mother
Quinn fans will hate me but I really don’t give a flying flip, you can’t call yourself a mother just because you give birth, Shelby is far better for Beth, yes she messed up with Rachel but she gets that and wants to do right by Beth which is more then Quinn does.
Hold up I thought Rachel was a surrogate baby
The truth is is that I kinda see Quinn's side of this. She felt tormented, because as soon as the idea of seeing her daughter is brought up, she is immediately told to change, because Shelby doesn't like it.Beth didn't want her to change Puck don't want her to change, Shelby was the one in her face. Its pretty obvious that Quinn was like that because she wanted to change in order for her problems to leave her alone, but in her mind her problems (namely shelby) come back anyway. So yeah it is kinda tormenting to think about. So you can't blame her for grasping at straws and pointed out the one technicality, which is the simple fact that she is the biological mother. The truth is is that she didn't really want Shelby and Shelby can't exactly tell her what to do.
Shelby was completely in the right. Im not gonna let my kid around some punk who smokes and vandalizes.
Ebi Manami yes she really was
Ebi Manami 2nd hand Smoking is very damaging. The “oh my foster parents did it so its ok” argument is invalid. Also Quinn tried to get Shelby arrested for no reason and than called her a whore. I would never let Quinn around her after that.
Quinn is mature... hmm
Just right after she was planning on throwing tampons at the marching band.
"Yeah raise the child, put in all the work and be her legal guardian so that I can just carry on with my life and then be her mom when it suits me"
i absolutely love Quinn, and i hate how the producers and directors just dropped her after like season 4, but this scene makes me so mad. Shelby tells Quinn that she wants her to get to know Beth, but once Quinn actually gets her shit together, Shelby doesn’t want her around Beth anymore. breaks my heart for both her and Puck
Dianna WILLINGLY left the show after season 3, so it's not entirely their fault
Quinn literally tried to get beth taken away from Shelby. I don't blame Shelby for not wanting Quinn around
g q 15 😣
All I hear is Elsa
I don't rly get it sry
is shelby Rachels mom
shelby gave Rachel away for adoption
shelby takes care of Beth alot
quinn is saying she is the mum
plz don't hate
Just Me Shelby is Rachael's biological mother but gave her away for adoption. Quinn is Beth's biological mother but gave her away and Shelby is Beth's adoptive mother.
Chisa Hasegawa , thx
Shelby is actually Rachel’s surrogate mother, meaning that Rachel never actually belonged to Shelby, Quinn gave birth to Beth so she is Beth’s biological mother, but Quinn gave Beth up for adoption, Shelby adopted Beth from Quinn making Shelby Beth’s mother
Ugh Shellby is making quin depressed
I'm probably gonna get so much hate saying this but I really can't stand Quinn in the 3rd season. I really can't. I'm not fam of Quinn in any of the seasons really, but 3rd season is where it really gets bad. Yes, I know she's dealing with ALOT of mental health issues and I'm not excusing that, but it doesn't give her a reason to treat people like crap. That's like saying a bully who is getting picked on at home, makes it okay for them to bully at school. It's not okay, it just a reason why they bully. Everyone really tired to help Quinn. Even Shelby asked if she was okay cause she knew that under that pink hair, and dark eyeliner, there is a little hurt girl under there. And all Quinn does is insult and make her feel as bad as Quinn feels. Quinn signed those paper, Beth belongs to Shelby now, and Shelby is even offering for Quinn to see her, which most adopted parents won't do. But Quinn decides to plant DRUGS in the women's house to make her seem like an unfit mother!? That is inexcusable! Quinn is just a unforgivable mean person to the people who she who is trying to help her. Like Rachel, Shue, Sam even, and she backstabbed them for no real reason! I just think Quinn just needed YEARS a therapy! Loll!
Why did Shelby give up Rachel?
She was a surrogate. She was paid and hired to carry Rachel by her dads and then give her up when she was born
I.m don.t care Quinn side at Shelby will getting fired with Quinn his baby daddy Noah are upset for dating thing i.m don.t like pink hair i.m saying to you Grown up that.s Rachel his mother not her this season 3 Quinn changed his whole life get mad at Shelby next day did not get baby back from Noah currying Beth that.s was Quinn his baby now now get out Shelby
Actually she is Beth's mom your not. Your just an incubator. You signed away your rights to everything even the title mom.
Everybody always picking on the marching band
This phase for Quinn made me cringe so hard.