Thank you for all the comments. I'm not surprised that its misunderstood by some people as it's esoteric knowledge. But knowledge overcomes ignorance and my motivation was to spread the knowledge. It felt like I really had to bring it out now. So whatever, Let It Be.
Thank you for your comment. No disrespect, and no obligation to reply. In your experience, does studying and spreading this "knowledge" accord with the preceipts laid out in the Kalama Sutta?
Hi Naomi It is a pleasant thing that you engage with the comments. I wish that more of Steve's guests did likewise. The insights you provide into the cosmology of Tibetan Buddhism are very helpful in understanding their culture. Speaking as a person not of that culture and not having embraced their World view I look at the similarities in the character of their outlook with so many of the other, competing, views. Every tradition, it seems, is waiting upon some major personage to arrive.... Christians expect the second coming of Jesus, Islam awaits the Mahdi, Judaism awaits the Messiah and Buddhism awaits Maitreya. Of course, they cannot all be correct.... somebody is going to be disappointed. There is a common denominator though... all of these traditions, ultimately, are the product of the human mind. From this perspective I am inclined to attribute the value as an insight into the deeper aspects of the our subconscious. I think we formulate these various World views as a way of coping with our deepest fears.
The predictions are certainly fascinating and feel right on point. I love that Steve finishes reminding us that the intrinsic fear of our immortality is at the heart of all apocalypse stories.
What a joy to listen to Naomi! I too was at kalachakra in Toronto with Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche. Rudolf Steiner states the Kali Yuga started around 3000BC at the death of Krishna, and he, HPBlavatsky, Swami Yogananda, think we passed some turning point in late 1800s in which an age of spiritual light is lifting us (those ready, or qualified) up in higher consciousness. The Shamballa Bodhisattva Warriors are appearing. The present earth troubles reflect this inner war on the astral soul levels of samsara. It’s a big story and totally mirror reality on a psychic, psychological, emotional, and even apocalyptic level. Robert Thurman too, like Trungpa, has when in right mood, a good Shamballa apocalypso dance and telling. Great nourishment and good news for the Soul! Thanks, robert thibodeau
In Sri Yukteswar's 'The Holy Science' he breaks down the four yuga's and explains how there was a miscalculation in recent times, and that we are actually leaving the Kali Yuga.
Don't you think that these events described in the Kalachakra Tantra already happened with the muslim invasions of India ? Historically , the Kalachakra Tantra was describing the reality of that time and the Kalachakra was probably created in Nalanda, and Naropa had a great part in it . And they were aware of and incorporated the Abrahamic religions apocalyptic mythos and turned it against the invaders, a kind of "counter magic" . And incorporated also Hindu doctrines like Samkhya and Kashmir Shaivism. A Hindu-Buddhist apocalyptic mythos. And as in all apocalyptic mythos the King / Messiah is always returning., whenever chaos and evil is on the rise . Well, that's my take on it .
I think it’s right that Samsara and Nirvana exist at and in the same time and space, it’s a question of having a discerning discriminating mind, two eyes of relative and ultimate mind, common sense and a sense of humor. The myth reality of Shamballa is totally true, and one does as in chess, need to rise above the checkerboard of black and white squares of Alan Watts duality- aha! We need more ‘aha!’, that we do.
She's talking about changes, not the "end of the world". Prophecies are like vegetables at the market: some are vital (true), some are rotten (false) and some are in between. I have confidence in Guru Rinpoche and the Tantras
❤i love listening to naomi thanx steve......be here now do no harm help others be still close eyes listen to your breathing......repeat OM MANI PEME HUNG.
You should also check out Bhibu Dev Misra's interpretation of the Yuga Cycle period. I feel that is a better interpretation than the Puranas. The Buddha came at that start of the current Kali Yuga. We are just about reaching the end of the current Kali Yuga
ua-cam.com/video/iLv-2PHYsiE/v-deo.htmlsi=dHyGkaA5hEWoQEKm French tv resume yesterday night. This world seems effectively multidimensional. We are here now, but it seams we don’t live exactly the same reality.
@@88Padma Just because we (lamas included) have no way of knowing about what reality is, doesn't mean that escaping into fantasy is the answer. This speaker, introduced as a researcher, basically reads ancient literary texts and takes them as statements of fact. You may call it research. I call it delusion.
This woman is full of superstitions and fantastical stories that she seems to believe without any question. After half an hour of listening I had to shut it off. No wisdom here, just blind faith.
Listening to multiple episodes with this guest, a lesson from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche seems appropriate: "In Tibet, new leather skins are put in the sun and rubbed with butter to make them softer. The beginning practitioner is like the new skin, tough and hard with narrow views and conceptual rigidity. The teaching (dharma) is like the butter, rubbed in through practice, and the sun is like direct experience. When both are applied, the practitioner becomes soft and flexible. But butter is also stored in leather bags. When butter is left in a bag for some years, the leather of the bag becomes hard as wood, and no amount of new butter can soften it. Someone who spends many years studying the teachings, intellectualizing a great deal with little experience of practice, is like that hardened leather. The teachings can soften the hard skin of ignorance and conditioning, but when they are stored in the intellect and not rubbed into the practitioner with practice and warmed with direct experience, that person may become rigid and hard in their intellectual understanding. We must be careful not to store up the teachings as only conceptual understanding lest that understanding become a block to wisdom. The teachings are not ideas to be collected but a path to be followed."
Thank you for all the comments. I'm not surprised that its misunderstood by some people as it's esoteric knowledge. But knowledge overcomes ignorance and my motivation was to spread the knowledge. It felt like I really had to bring it out now. So whatever, Let It Be.
Thank you for your comment. No disrespect, and no obligation to reply.
In your experience, does studying and spreading this "knowledge" accord with the preceipts laid out in the Kalama Sutta?
Hi Naomi
It is a pleasant thing that you engage with the comments. I wish that more of Steve's guests did likewise. The insights you provide into the cosmology of Tibetan Buddhism are very helpful in understanding their culture.
Speaking as a person not of that culture and not having embraced their World view I look at the similarities in the character of their outlook with so many of the other, competing, views. Every tradition, it seems, is waiting upon some major personage to arrive.... Christians expect the second coming of Jesus, Islam awaits the Mahdi, Judaism awaits the Messiah and Buddhism awaits Maitreya. Of course, they cannot all be correct.... somebody is going to be disappointed.
There is a common denominator though... all of these traditions, ultimately, are the product of the human mind. From this perspective I am inclined to attribute the value as an insight into the deeper aspects of the our subconscious. I think we formulate these various World views as a way of coping with our deepest fears.
The predictions are certainly fascinating and feel right on point. I love that Steve finishes reminding us that the intrinsic fear of our immortality is at the heart of all apocalypse stories.
If you know Naomi personally, then you know she actually is a rock star. Rock n roll.
Thank you, Naomi and Steve. ❤
More Naomi Levine, please!
And more Khandro Kunzang Dechen Chodron, please!
And more Mattias Daly!
And Justin Von Bujdoss!
Thank you, Steve!
Yes more khandro kunzang
Another episode of “Keeping Up With the Karmapas”; My favorite!
What a joy to listen to Naomi! I too was at kalachakra in Toronto with Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche. Rudolf Steiner states the Kali Yuga started around 3000BC at the death of Krishna, and he, HPBlavatsky, Swami Yogananda, think we passed some turning point in late 1800s in which an age of spiritual light is lifting us (those ready, or qualified) up in higher consciousness. The Shamballa Bodhisattva Warriors are appearing. The present earth troubles reflect this inner war on the astral soul levels of samsara. It’s a big story and totally mirror reality on a psychic, psychological, emotional, and even apocalyptic level. Robert Thurman too, like Trungpa, has when in right mood, a good Shamballa apocalypso dance and telling. Great nourishment and good news for the Soul! Thanks,
robert thibodeau
Great interview, really interesting!!
In Sri Yukteswar's 'The Holy Science' he breaks down the four yuga's and explains how there was a miscalculation in recent times, and that we are actually leaving the Kali Yuga.
Yes. Yogananda lineage guru.
Yukteswar's only book!
This was amazing
Thank you
Don't you think that these events described in the Kalachakra Tantra already happened with the muslim invasions of India ? Historically , the Kalachakra Tantra was describing the reality of that time and the Kalachakra was probably created in Nalanda, and Naropa had a great part in it . And they were aware of and incorporated the Abrahamic religions apocalyptic mythos and turned it against the invaders, a kind of "counter magic" . And incorporated also Hindu doctrines like Samkhya and Kashmir Shaivism. A Hindu-Buddhist apocalyptic mythos. And as in all apocalyptic mythos the King / Messiah is always returning., whenever chaos and evil is on the rise . Well, that's my take on it .
could be!
I think it’s right that Samsara and Nirvana exist at and in the same time and space, it’s a question of having a discerning discriminating mind, two eyes of relative and ultimate mind, common sense and a sense of humor. The myth reality of Shamballa is totally true, and one does as in chess, need to rise above the checkerboard of black and white squares of Alan Watts duality- aha! We need more ‘aha!’, that we do.
She's talking about changes, not the "end of the world". Prophecies are like vegetables at the market: some are vital (true), some are rotten (false) and some are in between. I have confidence in Guru Rinpoche and the Tantras
❤i love listening to naomi thanx steve......be here now do no harm help others be still close eyes listen to your breathing......repeat OM MANI PEME HUNG.
You should also check out Bhibu Dev Misra's interpretation of the Yuga Cycle period. I feel that is a better interpretation than the Puranas. The Buddha came at that start of the current Kali Yuga. We are just about reaching the end of the current Kali Yuga
Pandemics, issues with food becoming inedible, wars , etc.
the talking mind is not what you seek
Funny how the morning this releases here in San Francisco I get woken up to an earthquake as the fires down LA resemble a literal apocalypse.
ua-cam.com/video/iLv-2PHYsiE/v-deo.htmlsi=dHyGkaA5hEWoQEKm
French tv resume yesterday night.
This world seems effectively multidimensional. We are here now, but it seams we don’t live exactly the same reality.
apocalypse just means revelation
I'm sorry, but how is this research? A bunch of fantastic stories, like Christian theology with its tales of heaven, hell and other superstitions.
How is reality then ? Is nihilism reality ? Or eternalism ? How do you know these stories are fantasies ?
How is reality then ? Is nihilism reality ? Or eternalism ? How do you know these stories are fantasies 😀 ? Kindly asked
@@88Padma Just because we (lamas included) have no way of knowing about what reality is, doesn't mean that escaping into fantasy is the answer.
This speaker, introduced as a researcher, basically reads ancient literary texts and takes them as statements of fact. You may call it research. I call it delusion.
I call it prophecy.
Given the influence of Islam on the western world, I wonder whether the anti-Islamic element of the Shambhala propecies may be referring to this.
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This woman is full of superstitions and fantastical stories that she seems to believe without any question. After half an hour of listening I had to shut it off. No wisdom here, just blind faith.
Audio going in and out
Listening to multiple episodes with this guest, a lesson from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche seems appropriate:
"In Tibet, new leather skins are put in the sun and rubbed with butter to make them softer. The beginning practitioner is like the new skin, tough and hard with narrow views and conceptual rigidity. The teaching (dharma) is like the butter, rubbed in through practice, and the sun is like direct experience. When both are applied, the practitioner becomes soft and flexible. But butter is also stored in leather bags. When butter is left in a bag for some years, the leather of the bag becomes hard as wood, and no amount of new butter can soften it. Someone who spends many years studying the teachings, intellectualizing a great deal with little experience of practice, is like that hardened leather. The teachings can soften the hard skin of ignorance and conditioning, but when they are stored in the intellect and not rubbed into the practitioner with practice and warmed with direct experience, that person may become rigid and hard in their intellectual understanding. We must be careful not to store up the teachings as only conceptual understanding lest that understanding become a block to wisdom. The teachings are not ideas to be collected but a path to be followed."
I don't think that applies to Naomi
@88Padma reading and quoting texts isn't insight, nor anything gained from direct experience.
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