I enjoy Penson. He is definitely the fun brother. I like how he gives Penuel the space to be himself. He allows the interruptions and listens attentively each time. He loves and honors his brother (Penuel). So beautiful to watch.
I have said it before and I will say it again. I truly hope you both understand what you have to offer South Africa. With your thirst for knowledge, enquiring minds, ability to talk and listen to guests from all walks of life and at the same time have the courage to have the necessary tough conversations. It is a privilege to make time to listen to your podcasts. Even though there are times when guests will infuriate me and other times, your guests will give me hope. So THANK YOU for all the hard work behind the scenes in order to prepare and present a platform upon which we can all learn something from each other.
Yoh this conversation was soooo interesting, especially the last point Penuel raises on single fathers wanting to parent. Sana, I was raised by a man and he did such a great job! Cooked for us, was at every Dr's visit, netball match and where he couldn't meet us emotionally, he'd take us to therapy, and all that other stuff that are deemed as feminine like doing laundry etc did not take away from his masculinity. We still see him as the head of the house and treat him as such.
I'm raising a boy, still very young but I'm trying to be the father I never had..was raised by my grandparents and really learnt a lot. Thank you for this bros, we're learning
These Pen and Pen convos always make my heart feel full. It is the love between you two, the banter and even the disagreements that makes this real and relatable. I also really love how you two are always committed to having to having the toughest of conversations.
I love listening to you both,listening from Zim...you are both true to urself and journey while still respecting the other person s different journey...its beautiful having this as siblings who were raised by same parent. And as someone married ...listening to Penson opened my eyes on how I have unintentionally not allowed my husband on other areas to bring the masculine side to our kids.I now understand that they both need feminine and masculine side to be able to handle different aspects of life. Thank you both...looking forward to your next conversation.
From my experience..I used to go to soccer at school and after school Friday afternoon I found another soccer team that plays at the mosque only after 16:00 I didn't really like the sport but my father made sure I had everything I needed so there was no excuse to not go..I learnt a lot about committing to one thing and persistence and consistency..I apply those principles in my life🤞🏾
I am so happy that I can have a multitude of men to point to that my son can look up to when he is old enough. I am a firm believer of healthy masculinity in boy-children. Thank you, thank you, thank you Pen & Pen♥
Always a learning experience with the two brothers live long , because you are not only teaching south Africans but it's a global space kudos am from zambia
@@Penuelism I see sir it's clear and loud, when do you plan to visit Zambia or I visit you that side Lol😄😄 Otherwise You are dope sending love from 🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲
I had the privilege of meeting both Penuel and Penson,this is by far the best Pen&Pen episode I’ve ever watched. I appreciate you guys so much✌️.You’ve become my older brothers👍.
This conversation.❤❤❤ Im thinking about my daughters(under 5). They are sheltered. The most important thing right now is loving on them. Already, dad comes back from work and says to me, "No playing with boys." to them... obviously expecting me to implement as the primary caregiver, I literally maintain that. I don't expect an explanation or anything like that. I know there will be more "plan" he will want to implement through me, I don't question because I already have an unfair level of influence on them being that I'm the mother. Parenting isn't 50/50. I chose him because I'd be so proud to have a boy child who turns out just like him. I LIKE HIM. Even with the girls, I trust his plan. It goes back to the "deputy mom" chat Penson speaks about. It seems to be harder when you're co-parenting to get the mother to "follow your lead."
yo. this chat took us there. the love and repect that I have for you Pen. You're always taking us there. That place that we know we need to go but are too afraid to bring up. Love and respect.
I live for the episode where the two of you come together. Love to see the brotherhood but also how you both process thoughts whilst learning from each other in front of us. It is priceless. Question: What do you do as brothers to safeguard your relationship, especially in times and season that you don't see eye to eye on matters???
I KNEW IT MANN !!!!!😂😂I used to watch both Pen and Pen Separately and I knew they look alike and their name sounds the same, khanti they brothers😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you so much for this super important conversation gents. If possible, could you please do a round table and invite an Afrikaner, Jewish, Xhosa, Zule etc. persons for a discussion about their life experiences, raising kids and their challenges in the modern South Africa. This an important topic and it would be great to have regular episodes since there's more to learn and we can learn a lot from each other. My concern raising kids in this modern South Africa is that, as Penson, mentioned we (native Africans) are modeling our fatherhood based of western culture/styles as unfortunately we do not have enough role models to learn from. Ubaba Mbuso Khoza is one good example I think of as our Africa role model.
Really enjoyed tha podcast.. I think tha ultimate answer is “know thyself” study your history (lineage), biology, purposes & tha differences between you & “them” (white people, females etc) to find what works best for you & your like or kind Then subsequently structure your life accordingly &/or change how tha society is structured - at large - if it doesn’t favour you but works better for those who dominate & disadvantage you for their exclusive agenda (prosperity)
Wt a hot session, thanx to these to Gents for a mind opening session. 1day we must look more deep to the fact that after all children are human, they have got their own preferences, yes we as parents are meant to guide them bt we must try and not find our selves driving them instead of guiding them, it's goes deeper when you notice that kids parents strugle to install lessons in their kids heads where else friends do it with ease, till this day i can't count 10 children who would rather spend time with parents over friends, and i personally believe it's true that we become what we saround our selves with. I feel like a friend is a strong catalyst with a serious impact on what our kids may become in the future and i wonder if there is anything we can do about that as parents 🤔
nearly skipped watching because things can get pretty chaotic when you guys are together. But I'm glad I didn't miss out! Penson, your emotional intelligence really shines through, man, and as a Zulu man, you're holding it down! (Aye, uyazama, homeboy.) I'd love to hear more about the co-parenting topic. Maybe Penuel could bring in a female perspective next time for a different viewpoint
That surfing comment really took me out🤣🤣🤣😂purely because there's a Sphitjo who's an engineer that i know and is also acquainted to you😅mans catching strays unprovoked🤣🤣
Raising a soldier is a full time 24 hour assignment, not part time or visitation time. Otherwise whoever spends more time with or takes interest in the boy child gets to model the childs mind and the type of adult they will turn up to be.
Awuu My Mlotshwa Brothers Madoda🥰 Gravitated towards Penuel ke today. I think this brother is calming down a bit…😜🤣🙈 It’s amazing how after All this discussion about parenting y’all still don’t see/ would not admit on the value of marriage, especially on the parenting side….through out the problems mentioned I was just thinking, “would be solved if parents were together in one household, influencing & convincing each other about these parenting styles even in Pillow talks” would be way simpler & easier to decrease that 90 vs10%… Otherwise this future of education involving home economics, might I add “ needle work “ 😂is reminding me of stories our parents & grandparents would to tell us about their education… It is indeed interesting times & this very education is soo expensive. Penuel is lucky too Bcoz he seems to also have independent baby mamas with these 7 kids. Imagine if all fees had to come from 1 pocket, even the schools one doesn’t like would have to be an option. Enjoyed the discussion. Upwards & onwards PurpleBlood😉😝😁🐀🐀Rhodents.
Having been raised by women with very few competent men I understand Penuel's frustrations. They just don't get it fam, the sad part is that its always as if they only understand it after disaster hit and even if after that you cant say I told you because you have to nurse their emotions. I don't know how to quite articulate it but I get you as someone who has seen many trainwrecks coming way before they hit but it fell on deaf ears. Thank you for using your adversities as a teachable moment because my approach to it is now simple-be that utmost best version of yourself, take 100% responsibilities and accountability of your life including in the raising of children to a point where a woman's role would almost be negligible. Be that guy first and they ll be no negotiating-thats my approach, no one can tell Trump, Lebron, Julius on how to raise their kids.
Intresting topics guys, its personal for me cause no one taught us as Mothers on how to support our boys. I been winging it and its no childs play to raise the boys....😢
I initially enrolled my kids in a Christian private school (not those top notch ones)...then moved them to public schools one Afrikaans the other English and I must say the old Afrikaans school is way there with the top notch private schools.
Penson whats your workout routine-im trying to bulk up this Winter so i could be Spring ready...a segment-nyana on that one of these good days could come in handy....Pen clearly stands no chance if you guys were to do a charity boxing match
Independence has no sex. Being entrepreneural and productive are critical life skills. Resilience is the most needed trait for more. Life is hard and if lack resilience puts one at risk of surviving many of life's challenges
Well guys, I think that we all grew up during a time where it was always forced down our throats that private education is better than public education. I think that we can all agree that the ultimate epitome of education is tertiary education. If you look at the top 20 best universities in the country it is all public universities. Ngisho wena UCT, RHODES, UP,UJ,UFS,NMU, Stellenboch University etc... in fact, UCT is the best in the continent and amongst the best in the world. UCT is a public institution. So in the space of education I'd argue that government trumps the private sector. In fact, a majority of student who go to private institutions of higher learning only go there because they've been rejected by a public university. So I debunk this notion that private is the best because our universities are a clear demonstration of that. Name one private institution of higher learning in the country that can compete with UCT, UP, UJ, WITS etc... I'll wait..
We'd need to look at relative percentages for context. The private schools are a fraction of public schools. The wealthiest and most powerful in SA seem to reference private schools a lot.
Penuel, it depends on the influence of the mother when growing up. I had strong masculine presence and happen to have more inherent traits from my father. So, I have very mixed parenting styles. Not just feminine.
Thanks brothers dope convo, does excellent school results qualify a person to be successful in the secular world? Does growing up in kassie give you an advantage being streetwise over those growing up in the suburbs? Are street wisdom a requirement to be successful?
That Penson point of loving from far then coming in & wanting to change things then wanting to move again NEEDS to be investigated💯Blacks need to fix this for real anywhere. To Penuel’s closing point of well Balanced parenting…Afrikaans families/Muslims families are not only using their templates but they do it together & not apart☝🏾… they’d also/ also face exact SAME challenges if they were doing it apart especially a case like Penuel’s where it is also worlds apart… so don’t beat yourselves up too much. Y’all are already doing Great & better than most. Especially by even having these conversations, it means you learning& there’s no manual anyway❤️🔥..Another dynamic is that Afrikaans/ Muslim females mostly have NO say in these things in their families, they are not as vocal as black women or exercise their rights,mostly bcoz fathers are sole providers & their word goes/ culture etc… so it is not so dual or 50/50 as one would think. It might be 70/30 or less towards moms who can’t tell a father nothing. Y’all have got this under your different circumstances. Keep moving, learning & improving by the time you look back Y’all will be surprised at your awesomeness & what great Dads you have been.
Penson is more rounded. I also choose private but co-ed. Boys and girls must interact because in the real world males and females must work together. .
Penuel the conversation is interesting its would have been lovely to include a female for us mommies with daughters. I am busy applying for High school and I went to a township's school. It would have been lovely to also get a female perspective because you guys also have boys it makes the conversation not inclusive.
Penuel's idea on how to raise 'soldiers' is pretty dope! However no sane mother would allow half the stuff. A kid going to play soccer with goons hiking taxis coming from privilege can easily be prey! Though comfort may ruin kids we understate the protection a bit of privilege can do for a child. School performance though its not a blanket statement, on average a hardship actually ruins alot of potential. The success stories we hear that were made from hardship sounds good to our ears but these people compared to the masses are less.
It would be intriguing to dig into the "mans plan" vs the "woman's plan" pertaining to life structures conversation.... Baring the Will and Jada relationship model in mind. Will had a plan, and it was a full proof plan and Jada hopped onboard but was unhappy for a significant amount of time. Because they assimilated to Will's plan.... The opposite of that is the woman's plan which I believe is what you used the "schooling systems" to describe.... Which is an intriguing interpretation of the woman's plan... Penson went on to describe the woman's ability to hop onto multiple men's plans (in not so many words) by describing how a woman's plan can be reduced to hopping onto any mans plan regardless of her own desires... My question with all of this in mind is, do we as human beings think we've ever gotten to a place where we allow ourselves to converse about these proposed plans before deciding to pro-create? Second to that, do men in South Africa think that a woman's plan is to hop onto a mans plan?
Controversial suggestion for Penuel: Get a woman or more women by a criteria to sign a co-parenting contract in order to try and experiment your ideal parenting styles, yeah?
Rating a black south African father a 1/2 and a white one 6/7 is a indication of what you've been exposed to. Growing up in a 2 parent home I could never rate black fathers a 1/2. Additionally, I'd never score any of the black fathers I know 1/2. Growing up without a present father is really tragic. It clearly distorts your view.
When I send my child to school I want her to focus on education and other schools activities. How she is dressed should not even exist hence I am against the thought of uniforms dying. Children with parents that can't afford will have their kids dying because of peer pressure 😢.
Hey pen. I hope you are well. I hear your point on wishing nkunzi and Africa could learn certain things from you such as catching taxis and hustling their uncle's. You are at a greater stance financially and intellectually. You need to expose your children to greater experiences such as teaching them trades and how to manage employees from tender age, Increase their imagination, Instead of them catching taxis, they should start things which will allow them to drive and catch lamozines. Their training should be in prep for the life you want them to live, and not the one you lived...
I enjoy Penson. He is definitely the fun brother. I like how he gives Penuel the space to be himself. He allows the interruptions and listens attentively each time. He loves and honors his brother (Penuel). So beautiful to watch.
Thank you so much Thato!
Penuel is Penuel… he’s been like this from when we were kids 😅
100%
Ubhuti omdala uyahlonishwa period
I have said it before and I will say it again.
I truly hope you both understand what you have to offer South Africa. With your thirst for knowledge, enquiring minds, ability to talk and listen to guests from all walks of life and at the same time have the courage to have the necessary tough conversations. It is a privilege to make time to listen to your podcasts. Even though there are times when guests will infuriate me and other times, your guests will give me hope.
So THANK YOU for all the hard work behind the scenes in order to prepare and present a platform upon which we can all learn something from each other.
Thank you, Kim 🙏🏽❤️
Yoh this conversation was soooo interesting, especially the last point Penuel raises on single fathers wanting to parent. Sana, I was raised by a man and he did such a great job! Cooked for us, was at every Dr's visit, netball match and where he couldn't meet us emotionally, he'd take us to therapy, and all that other stuff that are deemed as feminine like doing laundry etc did not take away from his masculinity. We still see him as the head of the house and treat him as such.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I'm raising a boy, still very young but I'm trying to be the father I never had..was raised by my grandparents and really learnt a lot. Thank you for this bros, we're learning
These Pen and Pen convos always make my heart feel full. It is the love between you two, the banter and even the disagreements that makes this real and relatable. I also really love how you two are always committed to having to having the toughest of conversations.
I love listening to you both,listening from Zim...you are both true to urself and journey while still respecting the other person s different journey...its beautiful having this as siblings who were raised by same parent.
And as someone married ...listening to Penson opened my eyes on how I have unintentionally not allowed my husband on other areas to bring the masculine side to our kids.I now understand that they both need feminine and masculine side to be able to handle different aspects of life.
Thank you both...looking forward to your next conversation.
From my experience..I used to go to soccer at school and after school
Friday afternoon I found another soccer team that plays at the mosque only after 16:00
I didn't really like the sport but my father made sure I had everything I needed so there was no excuse to not go..I learnt a lot about committing to one thing and persistence and consistency..I apply those principles in my life🤞🏾
Shoutout to your father 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I am so happy that I can have a multitude of men to point to that my son can look up to when he is old enough. I am a firm believer of healthy masculinity in boy-children. Thank you, thank you, thank you Pen & Pen♥
Always a learning experience with the two brothers live long , because you are not only teaching south Africans but it's a global space kudos am from zambia
Love to everyone in Zambia. We appreciate you 🙏🏽✊🏽
😂😂😂😂 I thought I'm the only one who watches Penuel from Zambia 😂😂😂
@@Rodgerskayula I'm a big deal in Zambia... you better ask somebody!!! 😂😂😂
@@Penuelism I see sir it's clear and loud, when do you plan to visit Zambia or I visit you that side Lol😄😄
Otherwise You are dope sending love from 🇿🇲🇿🇲🇿🇲
I had the privilege of meeting both Penuel and Penson,this is by far the best Pen&Pen episode I’ve ever watched. I appreciate you guys so much✌️.You’ve become my older brothers👍.
Love you, Rorisang 🙏🏽
Totts...Wish my boys get to meet them one day...i indirectly parent via them as Mom...
This conversation.❤❤❤
Im thinking about my daughters(under 5). They are sheltered. The most important thing right now is loving on them.
Already, dad comes back from work and says to me, "No playing with boys." to them... obviously expecting me to implement as the primary caregiver, I literally maintain that. I don't expect an explanation or anything like that. I know there will be more "plan" he will want to implement through me, I don't question because I already have an unfair level of influence on them being that I'm the mother. Parenting isn't 50/50.
I chose him because I'd be so proud to have a boy child who turns out just like him. I LIKE HIM. Even with the girls, I trust his plan.
It goes back to the "deputy mom" chat Penson speaks about. It seems to be harder when you're co-parenting to get the mother to "follow your lead."
These are really interesting thoughts to share. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
yo. this chat took us there. the love and repect that I have for you Pen. You're always taking us there. That place that we know we need to go but are too afraid to bring up. Love and respect.
Penson has a better understanding and curiosity of the effects of "white" schools on a African child. 👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you 🙏🏽
I’m learning from my own experiences when I was in school, as a pupil, as an ex teacher, and now as a parent…
I live for the episode where the two of you come together. Love to see the brotherhood but also how you both process thoughts whilst learning from each other in front of us. It is priceless. Question: What do you do as brothers to safeguard your relationship, especially in times and season that you don't see eye to eye on matters???
I KNEW IT MANN !!!!!😂😂I used to watch both Pen and Pen Separately and I knew they look alike and their name sounds the same, khanti they brothers😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you so much for this super important conversation gents. If possible, could you please do a round table and invite an Afrikaner, Jewish, Xhosa, Zule etc. persons for a discussion about their life experiences, raising kids and their challenges in the modern South Africa. This an important topic and it would be great to have regular episodes since there's more to learn and we can learn a lot from each other.
My concern raising kids in this modern South Africa is that, as Penson, mentioned we (native Africans) are modeling our fatherhood based of western culture/styles as unfortunately we do not have enough role models to learn from. Ubaba Mbuso Khoza is one good example I think of as our Africa role model.
Great episode gents. Wish you had more insights on public vs private education in the context of girls.
I'm so glad I came across this episode. Insightful.
The parenting tamplet part... Kudos grootmans
Really enjoyed tha podcast..
I think tha ultimate answer is “know thyself” study your history (lineage), biology, purposes & tha differences between you & “them” (white people, females etc) to find what works best for you & your like or kind
Then subsequently structure your life accordingly &/or change how tha society is structured - at large - if it doesn’t favour you but works better for those who dominate & disadvantage you for their exclusive agenda (prosperity)
They are both smart. I have a brother, and I can relate to their relationship.
All I see is love.
I love this topic gents. I needed to hear this.
Never a dull moment with the brothers!
We really tried to be serious with this one 😂😂😭
@@pensonmlotshwa 🤣🤣🤣and dropping gems as always
@@Mrtdogg101 Dankie brother 🙏🏽
Much respect to this 2 gentleman. Always enjoy they podcast.
Wt a hot session, thanx to these to Gents for a mind opening session. 1day we must look more deep to the fact that after all children are human, they have got their own preferences, yes we as parents are meant to guide them bt we must try and not find our selves driving them instead of guiding them, it's goes deeper when you notice that kids parents strugle to install lessons in their kids heads where else friends do it with ease, till this day i can't count 10 children who would rather spend time with parents over friends, and i personally believe it's true that we become what we saround our selves with. I feel like a friend is a strong catalyst with a serious impact on what our kids may become in the future and i wonder if there is anything we can do about that as parents 🤔
nearly skipped watching because things can get pretty chaotic when you guys are together. But I'm glad I didn't miss out! Penson, your emotional intelligence really shines through, man, and as a Zulu man, you're holding it down! (Aye, uyazama, homeboy.)
I'd love to hear more about the co-parenting topic. Maybe Penuel could bring in a female perspective next time for a different viewpoint
Such an awesome thumbnail! nice one majita.
The bromance between these guys 😂😂❤
I always enjoy PEN&PEN 🤣😂😂Great Convo as always gents✌
57:13 PUBLIC VS PRIVATE SCHOOLS
That surfing comment really took me out🤣🤣🤣😂purely because there's a Sphitjo who's an engineer that i know and is also acquainted to you😅mans catching strays unprovoked🤣🤣
Raising a soldier is a full time 24 hour assignment, not part time or visitation time. Otherwise whoever spends more time with or takes interest in the boy child gets to model the childs mind and the type of adult they will turn up to be.
Awuu My Mlotshwa Brothers Madoda🥰 Gravitated towards Penuel ke today. I think this brother is calming down a bit…😜🤣🙈 It’s amazing how after All this discussion about parenting y’all still don’t see/ would not admit on the value of marriage, especially on the parenting side….through out the problems mentioned I was just thinking, “would be solved if parents were together in one household, influencing & convincing each other about these parenting styles even in Pillow talks” would be way simpler & easier to decrease that 90 vs10%… Otherwise this future of education involving home economics, might I add “ needle work “ 😂is reminding me of stories our parents & grandparents would to tell us about their education… It is indeed interesting times & this very education is soo expensive. Penuel is lucky too Bcoz he seems to also have independent baby mamas with these 7 kids. Imagine if all fees had to come from 1 pocket, even the schools one doesn’t like would have to be an option. Enjoyed the discussion. Upwards & onwards PurpleBlood😉😝😁🐀🐀Rhodents.
Having been raised by women with very few competent men I understand Penuel's frustrations. They just don't get it fam, the sad part is that its always as if they only understand it after disaster hit and even if after that you cant say I told you because you have to nurse their emotions. I don't know how to quite articulate it but I get you as someone who has seen many trainwrecks coming way before they hit but it fell on deaf ears. Thank you for using your adversities as a teachable moment because my approach to it is now simple-be that utmost best version of yourself, take 100% responsibilities and accountability of your life including in the raising of children to a point where a woman's role would almost be negligible. Be that guy first and they ll be no negotiating-thats my approach, no one can tell Trump, Lebron, Julius on how to raise their kids.
Great convo❤❤
Intresting topics guys, its personal for me cause no one taught us as Mothers on how to support our boys. I been winging it and its no childs play to raise the boys....😢
I know you're trying your best 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
"Angaz' ukuthi nashelana kanjani"🤣🤣🤣🤣
That one took me off😂😂😂😭
Penson is low-key funny 😅
I've always learn from your two guys two brothers of destruction
Two greatest minds ❤️❤️
And still so hillarious😂😂😂...Mac G. “WANT TO BE“ #repeat
Do you think we do better when we speak to the camera or when we're engaging each other... thoughts?
Both
Each other. Need that Moeletsi Mbeki sit down.
Engaging with one another.
It simply allows for the most authentic conversations, as the conversation above.
Thank you for your work Pen. 🙏🏽🔥
@@BrownMedallion Thank you 🙏🏽
With each other.
former ModelC public schools are generally way better that those cheap private schools like Spark or even Curro Academy
I agree with you. Penson might disagree.
I agree with you
I initially enrolled my kids in a Christian private school (not those top notch ones)...then moved them to public schools one Afrikaans the other English and I must say the old Afrikaans school is way there with the top notch private schools.
@@nomvulangozo4277 mmhh🤔
I think the structure of construct/culture/traditional based schools win by having a basis to build on
Penuel ngicela ukunika izingane, lol i love your parenting idea of parenting.
Their love for each other reminds of me and my siblings ❤
The part about selling a model in co-parenting. Am even sharing your links to a Super Baby-Daddy...Lord help us
Penson whats your workout routine-im trying to bulk up this Winter so i could be Spring ready...a segment-nyana on that one of these good days could come in handy....Pen clearly stands no chance if you guys were to do a charity boxing match
I enjoyed this!!!
Penson?! 🥰 I’m in love.
Penson: Angaz' phela nashelana kanjani kuqalwa.😂😂 56:25
Independence has no sex. Being entrepreneural and productive are critical life skills. Resilience is the most needed trait for more. Life is hard and if lack resilience puts one at risk of surviving many of life's challenges
Humour up in here🤣🤣🤣🤣
My favorite duo❤
Such convos poy!!! Bros!!
Y'all are crazy 😂😂😂❤❤
Well guys, I think that we all grew up during a time where it was always forced down our throats that private education is better than public education. I think that we can all agree that the ultimate epitome of education is tertiary education. If you look at the top 20 best universities in the country it is all public universities. Ngisho wena UCT, RHODES, UP,UJ,UFS,NMU, Stellenboch University etc... in fact, UCT is the best in the continent and amongst the best in the world. UCT is a public institution. So in the space of education I'd argue that government trumps the private sector. In fact, a majority of student who go to private institutions of higher learning only go there because they've been rejected by a public university. So I debunk this notion that private is the best because our universities are a clear demonstration of that. Name one private institution of higher learning in the country that can compete with UCT, UP, UJ, WITS etc... I'll wait..
We'd need to look at relative percentages for context.
The private schools are a fraction of public schools.
The wealthiest and most powerful in SA seem to reference private schools a lot.
Penuel, it depends on the influence of the mother when growing up. I had strong masculine presence and happen to have more inherent traits from my father. So, I have very mixed parenting styles. Not just feminine.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏽
i'm curious to know what you guys think of boarding school environments
Pen what’s your thoughts on Denzel’s movie Fences? I think he fairly tries to build a solid gent as well
I've never seen it. Only seen a few clips, especially the one where Viola Davis is crying and where Denzel is admonishing his son.
Thanks brothers dope convo, does excellent school results qualify a person to be successful in the secular world? Does growing up in kassie give you an advantage being streetwise over those growing up in the suburbs? Are street wisdom a requirement to be successful?
i was with Ladysmith/ Newcastle/Vryhried/ Greytown boys in Portshepston Camp...
Ay your brother Penuel 😂 😂😂 and pronunciation 😂😂😂
I wish my son's father was presently in his life but his not interested .. 😢😢 so as a mom i am very proud to have a humbly boy ❤
That Penson point of loving from far then coming in & wanting to change things then wanting to move again NEEDS to be investigated💯Blacks need to fix this for real anywhere.
To Penuel’s closing point of well Balanced parenting…Afrikaans families/Muslims families are not only using their templates but they do it together & not apart☝🏾… they’d also/ also face exact SAME challenges if they were doing it apart especially a case like Penuel’s where it is also worlds apart… so don’t beat yourselves up too much. Y’all are already doing Great & better than most. Especially by even having these conversations, it means you learning& there’s no manual anyway❤️🔥..Another dynamic is that Afrikaans/ Muslim females mostly have NO say in these things in their families, they are not as vocal as black women or exercise their rights,mostly bcoz fathers are sole providers & their word goes/ culture etc… so it is not so dual or 50/50 as one would think. It might be 70/30 or less towards moms who can’t tell a father nothing. Y’all have got this under your different circumstances. Keep moving, learning & improving by the time you look back Y’all will be surprised at your awesomeness & what great Dads you have been.
Penson is more rounded. I also choose private but co-ed. Boys and girls must interact because in the real world males and females must work together. .
1:09:31 Yoh! Penuel cannot compute! He needs absolute answers, anything more, anything less frustrates him.
Brothers of peace ✌🏽
Malwande Hlophe Landbouh ( U19- Captain-10/ 12) going to Italy as well. Please come back to Midlands to support us single mothers😢😢😢
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Penuel the conversation is interesting its would have been lovely to include a female for us mommies with daughters. I am busy applying for High school and I went to a township's school. It would have been lovely to also get a female perspective because you guys also have boys it makes the conversation not inclusive.
49:31 super dope wena mara narcissist tendencies
At 1hr 30 - Penson dropped the real deal with our people
Penuel's idea on how to raise 'soldiers' is pretty dope! However no sane mother would allow half the stuff. A kid going to play soccer with goons hiking taxis coming from privilege can easily be prey! Though comfort may ruin kids we understate the protection a bit of privilege can do for a child.
School performance though its not a blanket statement, on average a hardship actually ruins alot of potential. The success stories we hear that were made from hardship sounds good to our ears but these people compared to the masses are less.
I sometimes confuse you two 😂
Bhuti omdala, please visit Goldstones at Maritzburg College against a top school and trust me you won't regret it 🤞🏾❤
Guys, you make me laugh. It's even tough for my white kids who are parents to keep up with the Jones. Stuff the Jones. 😂😂
Stuff them indeed 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The Black Pen!
It would be intriguing to dig into the "mans plan" vs the "woman's plan" pertaining to life structures conversation.... Baring the Will and Jada relationship model in mind. Will had a plan, and it was a full proof plan and Jada hopped onboard but was unhappy for a significant amount of time. Because they assimilated to Will's plan.... The opposite of that is the woman's plan which I believe is what you used the "schooling systems" to describe.... Which is an intriguing interpretation of the woman's plan... Penson went on to describe the woman's ability to hop onto multiple men's plans (in not so many words) by describing how a woman's plan can be reduced to hopping onto any mans plan regardless of her own desires... My question with all of this in mind is, do we as human beings think we've ever gotten to a place where we allow ourselves to converse about these proposed plans before deciding to pro-create? Second to that, do men in South Africa think that a woman's plan is to hop onto a mans plan?
King Edward VII old boy locked in✋
Controversial suggestion for Penuel:
Get a woman or more women by a criteria to sign a co-parenting contract in order to try and experiment your ideal parenting styles, yeah?
Please come to Queen's College reunion next year
Ey nibahle maan nkosi yama viyo
PEN, I can't believe J cole/ fold folded
Why did he though????
@@pensonmlotshwa His been going around claiming his the Mohammed Ali of Rap. The boogeyman Kendrick had to put him in his place.
@@wongalethunyombolo2423 DAMN!!! Lemme go check it out
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It's probably best to come to an agreement on how you want to raise children before they are made.
I’d love to sit down with the two brothers, share some ideas, exchange knowledge and criticism .
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Rating a black south African father a 1/2 and a white one 6/7 is a indication of what you've been exposed to. Growing up in a 2 parent home I could never rate black fathers a 1/2. Additionally, I'd never score any of the black fathers I know 1/2. Growing up without a present father is really tragic. It clearly distorts your view.
Penson, we need African research on parenting
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When I send my child to school I want her to focus on education and other schools activities. How she is dressed should not even exist hence I am against the thought of uniforms dying. Children with parents that can't afford will have their kids dying because of peer pressure 😢.
What happens to them at tertiary (university and college)?
1:24:06 what the hell ameba. Definitely no homework I refuse 1:26:25
Wow this two are siblings I didn't know that
Why don't you play that tennis match for him to also learn skills of conflict resolution?
Guys no😂🙆♂️
lol ima say ths for penson.... "let him finish"
Hey pen. I hope you are well.
I hear your point on wishing nkunzi and Africa could learn certain things from you such as catching taxis and hustling their uncle's.
You are at a greater stance financially and intellectually. You need to expose your children to greater experiences such as teaching them trades and how to manage employees from tender age,
Increase their imagination,
Instead of them catching taxis, they should start things which will allow them to drive and catch lamozines.
Their training should be in prep for the life you want them to live, and not the one you lived...
I agree with both. I can teach them both.
But the grit must never ever be underestimated.
Pen Let your brother speak
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Penuel is trying so hard to make his brother as opinionated as him😂
Please bring your sister sometime....
Stop swearing man, don't forget this is a public platform
nah this is a left platform not right go watch sabc news
Joe Rogan has nothing on this channel.😅
NOTHING!!!!
Why do not advice people to become entrepreneurs