Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon (Firebird) combat aircraft | Does it matter or not?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- We are investigating the Chinese fighter J-10 and the journey of the modern Chinese aviation industry. #J10 #Chengdu #plaaf
How did the J-10 level up the Chinese aviation industry's capabilities?
Is the Chengdu J-10 is a copy of the IAI Lavi?
What impact does the Vigorous Dragon have on the People's Liberation Army Air Force?
What are the differences between the J-10 variants?
00:00 Introduction
01:23 Historical background
02:28 Programme history
06:10 Variants (J-10A / J-10AH / J-10S / J-10SH / J-10B / J-10B TVC / J-10C / J-10CE / J-10CP / J-10D)
09:18 Specifications
10:27 Operational use
10:42 Analysis
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It's "Does it matter or not?"
Not "Is it matter..." 😅
@@LamZL1 Thanks man, we did not notice it
J10C is the angel of death for Tejas.
after the Dassault Mirage family, this aircraft is possibly the most beautiful jet fighter in my opinion
some like D(elta) Cup
Another informative video and thus far you seem to be the only one who points to Chengdu's past work with the J-9 as a point of starting reference. It's so annoying to see people call it a Lavi copy when with a bit of digging they can find the Chinese history on the J-9.
Bullshit I worked for the CIA I have facts not conjecture! EM. CIA retired.
It's not a lavi copy it's the lavi.
Right. Because China is so forthright with truth over propaganda.
@@deiest2643 lavi is copy from USA f16,ofc
Modern fighter manufacturing is a symbol of an industrial power, which requires a country to have the ability in many aspects. The latest J10 and J20 are now 100% made in China, including engines. There are so many bastards in the comment area, and then find fathers for Chinese aircraft, such as Su27, F16, European typhoon fighters, Israeli fighters, and Swedish fighters. Even if several foreigners are involved in China's aircraft manufacturing, there are thousands of technical systems of an aircraft, which can not be changed by several foreigners. Are all the people who find fathers for Chinese aircraft mentally handicapped? In addition to the United States and Russia, your own countries may have some capabilities. Which other countries can independently build aircraft carriers, space stations, 5g, high-speed rail, Mars exploration, etc... and laugh at China? Don't lose face on the Internet.. You are not qualified
China is bad in human rights violations.
Exactly. I read somewhere that from 32 patents or technologies which are important for the world,27 are owned and produced by China. That's simply amazing.China's achievements in such a short period of time are unbelievable. I can't even imagine what they will be in 20 years.
Honestly, I genuinely have no clue on why some people underestimate the J-10. Its avionics can be compared to a modern block 70 F-16. One could even argue that the J-10 is essentially the Chinese response to single seater multirole fighters like the F-16 or the Rafale and would probably be correct.
Bcoz it’s made in Chyna
@@Hkchinese888 Well even if that is true, it's better to overestimate someone than to underestimate them.
@@Hkchinese888 far more better than tejas.
@@mostafaanwar9544 they are rubbish, tbh
@@Hkchinese888 you are convince yourself
The current J-10c has been reported to have updated with components used on the J-20 including a AESA Radar and WS-10 latest version engine , and out classes the JF-17 in all boxes.
JF-17 is a lightweight aircraft, J-10C is a medium weight aircraft so naturally has a slightly larger nose cone and payload. Both aircrafts are pretty capable though.
@@reway8750 but all of Chinese neighbours are well trained and experienced and at regular at Us / Nato exercises. pla airforce can win North Korea , Myanmar for sure ..
@@TheKing-xp7lqPakistan has also bought 150 j10cs
@@bouya5692I doubt they bought 150 lol.
@@TheKing-xp7lq Chinese pilots basically practice with American pilots every day, and the United States does not report that basically the United States loses
Another good video. I know that some Israeli specialists that worked on Lavi came to South Africa to assist on the FCA-1 Carver Project. When that was cancelled, they moved on to help with the J10. Similar situation with the South African Missile development. Look at the similarities between A Darter, T Darter and the current Chinese missiles. Copies, no! Outside expertise, without a doubt. The Chinese have caught up! Don’t doubt that for a second. There are also massive changes in how their Pilots are being trained. Underestimate China at your own peril.
Never underestimate your rival.
歼10模仿以色列狮式也是古墓派地摊流谣言了，二者除了都采用鸭翼布局之外没有任何相同点
@@user-zu3pr1ke9s माओवादी हो क्या जो अंग्रेज़ी में अपनी बात रखने में शर्म आ रही है?
@@Arianne3011 我为什么要说英语？
@@Arianne3011 Bro, Chinese people speak English because they want foreigners to understand it. Now that we have translators, it doesn’t matter. You speak English and speak it very well because you are a British colony. Not something to be proud of
Well researched, with reasoned analysis. Thank you!
The delta with canard is in my opinion the most beautiful configuration. I wish the F-16 had been laid out like this.
check the the f-16xl
Thank you 🇨🇳 for giving this amazing fighter to 🇵🇰 long live our friendship ✌
Thanks to Pakistan for being such a reliable ally of the US!
@@bluegregory6239 no problem that's export variant, US can buy it too, after all we are old friends 😉
@@khurrammustaqeem8194 Thanks for the kind offer, but I don't guess we'll be doing that, despite being old friends and all. We know how to make our own stuff.
Great informative video, kind regards.
Thank you for always having English subtitles
seeing that it replaced MiG-21 clones and derivatives with a 4th gen plane with AESA, modern avionics and decent missiles it is a great leap forward for the PLAAF
Yeah, it's the same firm that later created the J-20. Sometimes you really need to do things yourself to make actual progress.
Great choice of words lol 👍
its heavily inspired by the lavi@@uiop7204
Nice video as always
both the Chengdu J-10C multi role fighter & Chengdu J-10CE multi role interdictor strike fighter shouldn't be underestimated . . . the low set wing profile of the Chengdu J-10C multi role fighter is very similar to that of the Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4 (Block 60+) multi role interdictor strike fighter . . . the animated CGI rendering of a stealthy Chengdu J-10CE multi role interdictor strike fighter variant, showed in this video as the Chengdu J-10D stealth multi role interdictor strike fighter appears to be of sound design & practically viable if realized . . .
So well written. It's rear to see people who still remained objective given the current climate of the West.
Joking right
Thanks for serving the nice news.
well explained. keep up the good work.
Very nice, detailed and informative video about the J10.
It's like F16 & Gripen mated, the offspring is the J10.
Most wonderful video and fully informative video about Chinese aircraft's made J-10 aircraft's as 4th generation for light medium range...what is notable several westerners were participated & helped China in upgrade Chinese aviation capability .especially in this Chinese project from 1972 to 1982 ...video clearly explained all characteristics of this Chinese aircraft's ( J-10 Vigorous 🐉 🐲 dragon.)..thanks weapon detective 🕵️♀️)...channel for sharing this video
thank you, next can u make video abt j-16?
Great video 👍
Nice and interesting video presentation
"No soldiers want to go to war with inferior weapons, bad Tactics, inadequate training"
Hmm, this sentence reminds me of something that happened recently🙃
Let me guess...you got your news from MSM?
@@nuclearwarhead9338
Let me guess, you can't face facts.
@防堵英国肝炎
Exactly where did I say anything about Ukraine mounting an assault on Moscow?
The Russians have embarrassed themselves in Ukraine in routinely having their asses handed to them by a vastly numerically inferior force... now kindly take your straw man arguments and F-off back from whence you came.
Say what you want, that bird is one fine piece of machinery. I also have been proven incorrect in my assumptions regarding the designs origins. I've still always liked it. The C model with the CFTs and modified air intake looks absolutely bad ass.
Beautiful jet ! 😍😍👍👍
Beautyful bird👍👍
ধন্যবাদ সুন্দর সংবাদ পরিবেশন করার জন্য।
Wonderful 👍👍
Could you in future, do a video on the Chinese purchase of the Russian SU-27 and its more advanced variants, as well as the Chinese licenced (J-11) and unlicenced copies which on paper appear to be superior to their Russian cousins.
I agree with this. It’s a bit confusing because the J11 is the only truely licensed variant with J11B and J16 because unlicensed upgraded version of the J11. All of which can be argued to be similar, slightly inferior or much better than their Russian counterparts. With the exception of the J15 which is a copy of the prototype SU33 from Ukraine which was and still is hopeless.
China purchased Su-27sk, realted drawings and production lines from USSR, not including engines. NOT from Russia, NOT Su-27. take an note please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!USSR and Russia is not same, they are not an same coutry and not an same government
Beautiful airplane!!!
Interesting analysis with many aspects new to me. Please also make a video for the F-CK-1.
Do you know the designers experienced canard design from J-9 waaaay before Soviet Mig-1.44, Lavi...? But, could be from Saab-37 Viggen. J-10's location of canard is very different than Lavi (close coupling). Please study what is close coupling(Lavi), medium coupling(J-10 and Rafale) and distant coupling (euro-fighter).
歼10模仿以色列属于古墓派地摊流军盲谣言，二者除了都采用鸭翼布局外没有任何相同，而中国第一次尝试鸭翼是六十年代开始的歼9，歼9项目在1978年下马，以色列狮式1979年才公布研制方案
西方习惯性的贬低中国，这是西方优越论的宣传手段。打击中国人的自豪感，倾销西方垃圾“奢侈品”。同时在自卑的中国人里面发展间谍！
I like the content of the video very much. If one googles cockpit of Lavi, J-10A and F-16A Blk 15 then one can easily kill the rumor about Pakistani collaboration in J-10 program development by sharing F-16 Blk 15s technology Pakistan operated at that time. However the only difference between the cockpits of Lavi and J-10A is that Lavi had colored displays and gauges while J-10A had same cockpit but the displays were monochrome technology based. If required, I can share all the three photos but copyright may prevent me doing so. Thank you and Regards.
Only Indians can be critical of this aircraft but then they have bollywood to prove them that their doubts were right.
11:46 which movie is that?
I agree with you! It's definitely not a groundbreaking aircraft! But it's more capable and cheaper than Tejas!
Soon, we shall see the news of Indian Tejas vs Pakistani J-10 dogfights. I bet on our Pakistani brothers.
Naaah Even Pakistani JF17 BLK 3 is Superior Then Indian Tejass. Forget about J10C which have Advantage On Indian Rafael F4 version
Comparing J10C to Tejas (even the mk1a and mk2 that are still vaporware) is a joke. J10C is far superior is all aspects. Weight, speed, combat range , maneuverability, service ceiling, weapons load, radar, Avionics, weapons etc
Bs
@@SACHINYadav-sn4op that's a very educated reply. 🙄
Thanks for the content.
One request: dont't streatch old videos it is ok to lrave them in a more retangular shape. We can barelly recognize the F4s.
Here's the only question that matters now:
Does China build planes better or worse than Russia?
The answer depends on who you ask.
Avionics? Yes china is better than Russia in this field
Engine? China Probably has the same or 0.5 tier behind Russia
Airframe? Composite wise China is a bit better, but lacking behind in titanium alloys.
EWS? China is better
Pilot? Not sure, no real combat experience compared to Russia.
Datalink? Yes
In overall, the electronic parts including radar, EWS, avionics & datalink integration China is better than Russia, but the rest is more or less equal (because there haven’t been a real combat for them for a very long time)
Oops one most important part, quality, china quality? 🙃
@@Ilovecruise 中国空军万时坠机率只有北约1/3
@@Ilovecruise Quality base on industrialization, PLEASE compare chinese cars and russian cars!! LOL
until more is known...it should be respected. and feared. always er on the side of caution.
As a designer of all fields, the study and reference of all possibilities is a must. Every time the West talked about China get weird. Who invented the wheels?
good
👌👌👌
Pretty accurate. I can imagine how much time spend on researching it in a sea of misinformation. 😏
The J10 is really cool! And thats coming from an American.
is being American a qualifier for something ... or you mean that you still appreciate the jet considering most Americans are circumspect about China's military tech..
Please compare f16 vs j20 jf17 thunder j10c
I did not know that j-10 has a naval variant!
Please make a video about FA-50🥰☺
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Excellent multirole combat airplane 👍🏻
In tha hands of experienced PakAF pilots , J10 will perform extraordinary
In dreams
@@Gr8putin go look at the records.
@@munnumkhalid records written by your army ? That’s for internal audiences only 😂
@@Gr8putin no worries you can look at international records. just ignore the Indian they live in fools paradise. they don't know the world exist out of their fantasy land.
11:54 "Of course, all sides of a rivalry believe they are better than the other". You can certainly tell that by going through the comments.
So, this is another of those, "Original Character" fighters, right?
the chengdu j-10c. the most modern fighter aircraft im chinese pla-af.
Vigorous Dragon 🐉. I love the name.
Yes, it has a humble start, so what? It just will get better from this point on. Amazing China!
Do you the Pak air force have these?
It all BOILS down to pilot training, even though you have the BEST equipment, but you don't know how to HARNESS its full potential, that million-dollar state-of-the-art equipment is still USELESS. BIG Thanx, Weapons Detective for info, make more educational info, it's a great learning journey for me.
Great Brother
Please compare j10c with Rafile
Mic29
The earlier production versions had Israeli Elta avionics .... even radar too, i guess. So the elements of IAI Lavi design seem more logical.
フランカー、ファルクラム、ファイヤーバード大好き!東側の戦闘機愛好家
J 10 needs big wingspan
Longshot???
Good speed of j10 ❤❤❤❤
The United States Air Force for years has made a big demand for BVR, Beyond Visual Range, missiles, radar, etc. But they've always been worried that, if used, they might accidentally shoot down one of their own, never mind IFF capabilities. I don't know if the USAF or any of the American forces have ever actually shot anybody down with long range BVR missiles. That leaves close-in dog fighting. So the question here is how good is the radar cross section of this Chinese aircraft, and how good is it in a close in dog fight. And, thirdly, can it shoot down someone BVR as well? Who knows?
There is also the consideration that Chinese missiles are rated as some of the best performers at close ranges.
The majority of the US F-15 kills in Desert storm is BVR and almost every conflict after.
Underestimating the enemy is the worst mistake an army can make.
I underestimated my shoe polish today when I tried to scoop out a chunk with my finger and then I cracked it.
😎
Despite financial difficulties, Pakistan is still very interested in buying China's J-10 fighter jets after using a large number of F16s for a long time. This motivation is well worth exploring. Has Pakistan figured out the reason from the physical air battle?
They don't just spent money unless they're sure to gain 10 folds out of it.
its the pl-15 capability of j10. the PAF boost about. f-16 is good fighter but for Pakistan its only used as defensive weapon because of US restrictions. with j10 Pakistan is signaling offensive strategy. they will be precuring 60 of them till 2025
04:46 Anyone know what plane is that?
Chinese il-28 jet bomber
@@miguelgil7266 It is true. But a little note. This Chinese copy of the Il-28 is called Harbin H-5.
@@habahan4257it’s called license built and not copy, get that right. 💀
Pakistan air force operate 36 J10CE
It's similar to Lavi.
If you see it a bit further, it looked more like an Su-27. Idk why am I saying that but I'm sure that the fuselage design of the J-10 is similiar to the Su-27
no ... no no no... noooo!
@@averagestudent5223 guess I'm the only one seeing that weird phenomenom
@@25.muh.siswadibudiartodani88 The J11,J15,J16 is similar to the Su27. they are an improved version of the Su27. But the J10,J20 is another series of fighter aircraft with reference to Western fighters.
@@adamw1176 I know but, it's probably just me. If i'm honest, the J-10's cockpit, fuselage and the placement of the IRST makes it looked pretty similiar to the Su-27 family
Sometimes I see really weird resemblances randomly
It’s a rather good looking plane. How would it fair versus a Mirage 2000 in air-to-air comat?
this fighter is rival to f16 block 70 latest Rafael and Eurofighter. it will eat mirage 2000c for breakfast. its much faster carry more weapons and has 10x better avionics and weapons
May our Lord continue to bless PRC and Russia
Gripen of the East
This is odd, why compare jets of China where:
1. We don't know anything about the aircraft, nor the Google does.
2. Speculations are used as main source of information.
3. Fighter jets propaganda is getting further buffed up, even if not used in any single warzone or even customer doesn't want to comment on it.
Literally everything you know any modern jet is speculative. All the flight data, weapon capability, etc is classified and its all based on assumptions
stop being an indian
IAI Lavi reborn
Looks like gripen to me
philippine jet wing j10 pieces 150 for PAF
...still Pakistan considers JF-17 (block 3) more bankable than J-10
Love to hear how you say PLLLAAF 😂😂😂
They have won against the Thai, Malaysia and Indonesia fighters as well. Few years back China did a joint training with Thailand Gripen using this J-10B, all of the Gripen was shot down during the training without much effort. J-10C is much more potent, it can take down F-15 easily
That's why not a single country is buying it.. Other than Pakistan ( which probably got as an aid)
Not even a single African country like Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, angola r interested.. All of them has enough money to afford fighter jets and currently using su 30s 😮😮
It depends very much on the pilot , Gripen has one of the best jamming systems in the world so the Thai airforce it seems didnt use it . The F15 especially the new F15EX is one of the best jets in the world and with a good pilot the J10C wouldnt win easy thats not realistic. But the J10C seems to be a good plane the thing that is not good is the export versions of missiles like PL15 has only a range of 145km maximum they could have allowed a range of 170km max .
@@aramisone7198 they never disclose the real numbers. as per the exports these jets are new in the market it takes time to capture market, its not just the fighter you are buying it comes with complete systems and weapons etc
funny. This video is to say that the J10 is not designed by the Chinese.
WOW, good research, I learned something new instead of the same stupid "china stole it"
Un aereo ✈ molto pericoloso!
The most ridiculous thing is because they look like each other, then it must be a copy. Just like saying AK series is a copy of Stg44 because they look like each other.
So what happened to Ukraine today? You underestimate Russia.
You're a smart man because only a fool would underestimate another fool.
China means 3rd generation I know it's odd
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا "لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا اللّٰهُ "
کون ہمارا رہنما "مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللّٰهِ"
Pakistan Zindabad
#ھمارا_مطالبہ_فوری_الیکشن
#MarchAgainstImportedGovt
#امپورٹڈ_حکومت_نامنظور
#امپورٹڈ__حکومت__نامنظور
.....
What kind of mental disorder is this🥲🥲
Yeh but why bring this shit up here, internal politics should remain internal, instead you are doing your dirty laundry in public for the world to see, simply talk on behalf of Pakistan not on behalf of your favourite political party, absolutely shameless and disgusting behaviour.
MY DEAR PAKISTAN CANNOT GIVE AN F16 TO CHINA BECAUSE PAKISTANI F16S ARE ALWAYS UNDER OBSERVATION BY US OBSERVERS STATIONED WITH PAKISTAN AIR FORCE F 16 SQUADERNS!
J10D is a much better than the French Rafale.
Radial engine Wii in
who cares if its copy? It can kill and thats more than enough.
All light n thin
বাংলাদেশ ২৪ টা জে ১০ ডি কিনলেই তো পারে
Every time I consider the amount of technology transfers from the West to China in the 1980s-2010s I am reminded of the old communist saying "the capitalists will gladly sell us the rope with which we will hang them".
In 20 years China went from 1950s technology to late 1990s technology. And all of the nations gleefully counting the money they made from trade with China 15 years ago are the nations now wringing their hands over the Chinese aggression and expansion their trade policies made possible.
Korean war, 2714 planes shot down by chinese and Russian pilot
Most were by USSR
China only shot down 300+