And she places it right where the family portrait was going to be because her little family begins with Juno agreeing to still let her be a Mother to her child. Love it.
@I'm_Rand Khan I can sort of appreciate the point you're attempting to make. And yeah it's just a movie, but it's a movie that means a lot to me and other people. And this isn't how is ALWAYS is, EVERYTIME. But sometimes, this is how shit goes in life.
@I'm_Rand Khan I reread that last comment and it didn't make much sense in terms of pertaining to this scene in a movie. I like that ya just joined youtube in October, but why go to this clip, OF A MOVIE, and say all this meaningless shite? Anyway, I'm no longer in an mood to argue with a "dude" who's clearly looking for conflict. Have a good life.
Watching this as a kid I totally sided with Mark and thought Vanessa was super uptight and annoying, but watching it back as an adult I realize that Vanessa is a grown ass adult and Mark is the dictionary definition of a man child.
I fault him more than her, but I don't think she's 100% in the clear. She didn't support his hobbies or passions, just shoved everything into his man cave to keep a sterile home. The reason he started developing feelings for Juno (which was, of course, super creepy and inappropriate) was Juno actually engaged in what he cared about instead of treating it like it was stupid. Guys have an emotional need for that, which his wife was neglecting. His wife was so caught up in what she wanted that she ignored who he actually was: a guy with passions who never fulfilled his dreams and also who never grew up. I don't think there's anything she could have done to make him be the adult and father she needed him to be, but also if she ever meets that adult and father, he will still have passions and childish things he enjoys that she needs to make space for in their life together. This moment of realizing they can't go forward together would have happened a long time ago if they'd both been able to be honest with each other and allowed one another to be who they actually were. . . . But yes, he's a total man child, 100% agree.
I'd say his biggest fault was not being honest about the gap between him and his wife much sooner. But again, it would take a more mature person to know that and do something about it.
@Diane Berg No, there is nothing immature about not wanting to have children. He just couldn't realize that or have the communication skills necessary to tell his own wife that until it was almost too late. He's also like 35 years old and moving into a grunge loft to chase sex drugs and rock and roll and to live like a college kid. There's nothing wrong with playing in bands for fun when you're that age, but Mark is the type of dude that will be like 46 years old and working a bunch of odd jobs because "I'm about to hit it big just you wait" That is immaturity.
I get that he might not want kids. Ik I don't want kids. But it was awful the way he let the relationship carry on for so long even tho he knew they wanted different things.
yup plus they already almost went through an adoption before and he didn’t choose to say anything then. this is a good lesson for people to really discuss what you and your partner want before you commit your lives to each othe
100% agree. It’s fine to not want kids but you need to communicate with your partner and be open and honest about things like this. They are often deal breakers and they always come up sooner or later.. And thats okay. You dont carry-on the rouse that you’re OK with it and post ads in the paper for a baby and lead your wife on who desperately wants children just to callously disappoint her in the end. What he did was just so hurtful.
This was well acted & written. The fact that he thought it was a bill & she immediately KNEW it was FOR HER and NOT A BILL but more than what it seemed.
1:48 - 1:51 I love the contrast of perspectives through one action. Mark sees the bill side, while Vanessa immediately realises that a note was written on the other side.
Sometimes people don't know what they want. A lot of people think that they will get married and have kids because that's what they everybody does. Some people regret it later. My theory is that he was relieved when they couldn't have kids and maybe didn't know until then he didn't want any, and when it was finally happening he chickened out.
Then many people wouldn't get married. Life is difficult. People make mistakes. Marriage is often about compromise. Love comes and goes; sometimes people search their whole life for it. It would be optimal to make sure that every little detail of their life fits together. In an ideal world, that would be the case. But our world is imperfect. We fail, we evolve - and yet we try to keep going no matter what. Marriage... A bound for life. If a normal couple makes it official, we don't care much, do we, if they throw us a feast, dress up and exchange rings, suddenly all their human flaws are gone in the eyes of society. We shouldn't make the mistake to assume that being married makes people better or worse.
I feel sorry for both Vanessa and Juno; Vanessa because she’s tried to conceive and has always wanted children and Juno because she wanted to have a stable environment for her child, as she knows she won’t be able to bring up a child by herself. Mark will have to know what he wants before he married Vanessa.
It's really hard to truly "know what you want" before you get married. Everyone changes over the course of a marriage. Everyone has issues being fully honest with themselves before (and during) marriage. I'm not defending Mark here. I'm just saying pretty much everyone will marry thr "wrong" person or will marry for the "wrong" reasons or under "false" pretenses. It's a question of how committed each person is to adjusting their expectations and their own behavior to make it work.
If you can believe it Juno son is now 13 he is now in Middle school and most likely in 7th or 8th grade most likely doing classwork online through zoom. Crazy to think about Still a great film.
I love this scene, the only thing I never understood is how Vanessa immediately knew the note was for her before even turning it over. Did she just hope that Juno would come back to renegotiate?
mark’s inappropriate relationship with juno was so weird. his whole character was hella weird. when this came out when i was a kid i hated vanessa. but watching this at 25, mark is like a creep. grow up dude. ugh i feel for vanessa hardcore, i’m ashamed to remember how i hated her character but i guess that’s maturity for you.
I agree! This movie had came out when I was about 15 and at the time I didn’t think anything of him and Juno spending all that time together but now I see how gross it is that a grown married man is spending so much time alone with a 16 year old girl, slow dancing with her and telling her she’s beautiful it’s beyond inappropriate. He was clearly having some kind of midlife crisis especially with the baby on the way from the surrogate mother off of the ad HE posted himself and Juno was someone he could live through and make him feel young again which is so pathetic! If he genuinely felt like he wasn’t ready for kids or even wanted kids for that matter, maybe he shouldn’t of put that ad up in the first place and if he was really just so unhappy and feeling he’s no longer in love with his own wife, maybe he should’ve acted like the adult he’s supposed to be and communicate with her not sit back and just do everything she wants.
Ok imma sum it up for everyone in the comments who doesn’t understand this plot and has different opinions over what’s going on and who’s in the right / wrong. Vanessa was wrong to try and suppress all his hobbies and interests, for sure, that’s not cool. HOWEVER, they’ve been supposedly trying for a baby for 5 years, meaning for 5 years he led her to believe that he was in and that they BOTH wanted a kid and that they were in this together. Suddenly when they’re about to have a kid though, he starts to have second thoughts and wants to back out, even though he made it seem like he agreed, which is a betrayal to his wife, he deceived her essentially, and he doesn’t tell her how he’s feeling, and selfishly decides that he’s going to leave her out of the blue with no notice, ruining her life and chances of having a child. It’s selfish not because he wants to pursue his dreams, but because he lied and did it out of the blue, knowing that it would hurt her and not caring to discuss the baby matter with her. On top of that, he starts developing a creepy interest in a minor; Juno doesn’t have bad intentions, which is shown by the fact that she is completely not into it when he tells her he’s going to leave his wife, her intentions were innocent, his were not. He was creepy, he crushed on a kid and betrayed his wife by 1. developing feelings for someone else (a child) (when they’re about to have a baby of all times lmao) and 2. Lying to/ deceiving her. The lying is the thing that everyone seems to be missing here. All the people that keep saying that he dodged a bullet and he has the right to pursue his dreams, yeah everyone has the right to pursue their dreams, but he deceived his wife and hurt her in a horrible way in a very sensitive/important time, y’all have literally no emotions if you think what he did was morally acceptable. Oh one other thing, young/immature people think that Vanessa is a villain but people with a clear head will realise that she isn’t, she has a type A personality and she can be obsessive/wants things to be perfect, but she’s not a bad person, we can see the kindness in her when we see her playing with a kid at the mall, she’s just a woman who wants a child and you can’t shame her for that and you can’t say that she was forcing it on her husband; trying to have a kid for 5 years is a pretty damn clear indicator that he wanted kids too, except in the end it turned out that he didn’t and he was lying to her all along. 5 years is a long time and he could’ve come clean at any moment but he chose not to, and when they finally were getting a chance to have a kid, he chooses THAT time to tell her, actually he doesn’t even do that lol, he just decided to straight up leave her.
I don't even think that she was stifling his hobbies. Man had a whole ass room for it. A man cave. Yes, in Juno's eyes it is 'omg you only have this room' but it is actually not some horrible thing. It is a very generous compromise between him having a whole ass room for his hobbies and him decorating the whole house like a 70's rocker den. I just think that she probably ignored his tendencies and bad sides for a long time (because he certainly viewed his music room as the bare minimum, if even that) and so once he buckled down to crush all her hopes and dreams, she snapped and openly told him what she thought. Which was, no, you're not going to be a rock star. *bitch* XD
People change! he wasn't deceiving her, he as a human being changed his belief of having a child. only 'young/immature people' think differently, Lol do you think you're still in middle school?
@@somtoo3483 people change? That’s your reply? Did you watch the movie or read my comment? They’ve been trying to have a baby for FIVE YEARS, he could have told her at some point that he had changed his mind with your “people change” mentality. He didn’t tell her he changed, he kept that hidden all along, he didn’t let on that he was having any second thoughts even though he was because like you said, people change, he just made her believe other he hadn’t changed and was all in. THAT is how he deceived her.
Vanessa shouldn't of gotten married to him he's to much into music and partying time he didn't want kids at least he could of told her that If I was Vanessa you won't see your daddy here but im gonna go out and look for a good daddy who will love you and want to be with you.
Earlier in the movie it says that Mark and Vanessa were trying for 5 years to have a baby and couldn't. It seems more like he changed his mind because he felt like he was missing out on other things.
@@Pencilskickass there was a scene in Rectify where a character is relieved she had a miscarriage. I think he didn't want a kid and probably thought it would never happen, so when it did he panicked
My daughter was born in 2008 and is in 6th grade at 12, so in 2007 he would now be 13 based on birthdate and district in of school could be 7th or 8th.
I was in that situation. Fortunately, my husband gave me the time to catch up to him. Took a few years, but he didn't nag me. Once I was there, we had a baby and it was wonderful.
@ironmanhulkbuster - I don't understand your comment. Please understand that I have NOT seen this movie. I guess the first question would be are you (or the people in question) married. If so, why would you let them go? If you (or they) are not married, why are you considering children? You mention "You're in love..." What kind of love do you refer to? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
Yes. One person will end up compromising for the other, and will resent the other for having taken the life they wanted away from them. If you truly love them you’ll let them be free to find someone to live their life with, who also wants children. Otherwise you’re with a partner and children you didn’t want.
It's very interesting comparing the perspectives of women growing up watching this movie and then the men. It shows the disconnect on both sides and actually, it shows how most people don't understand the message the filmmakers are going for with this storyline. The entire point of this subplot is that it's juxtaposing Juno's caring, understanding, and interest of Mark's likes and hobbies compared to Vanessa's indifference to it. This exposes the problem in the relationship. Vanessa is ready to settle down and be an adult, which naturally makes her come off as bossy and controlling and not understanding of Mark's interests or his feelings because she's wanting Mark to be at her level. Mark is still holding on to his youth and he's having second thoughts about settling which forces him to ignore Vanessa's cries for him to grow up. It's a story of two incompatible people getting married and Mark is realizing late into the marriage that this relationship and becoming a parent isn't for him. It's a movie with no villain or hero. If you're a woman in your mid 20's to 40's who saw this movie as a child or young adult you'll likely side with Vanessa. If you're a young man in a similar situation you'll side with mark. But the real answer is there is no side. This movie shows the nuances of a relationship and how knowing your partner you're marrying and communication is key in any relationship.
Agreed. I understand both points of view- it’s extremely nuanced; there’s both nobody and everybody to blame. It’s waiting to take action, and both lying to themselves rather than making a clean break when the time was right.
I think it's completely fine for Mark to leave. Him and Vanessa had been together for so long that they propably didn't realize that they had been growing apart so much. He loved her and she wanted a baby so bad that she got literally obsessed about it and I think he just wanted to make her happy while not being fully aware of his wishes being so different. They weren't compatible, but she was the one deciding about their life, while he just went along. I remember her character coming off as extremely controlling. Juno was the first one who remembered him of who he wanted to be, before Vanessas wishes had usurped his own and it was good to separate at that point. The only thing I'm not okay with is him making the moves on a minor. That was unacceptable.
The pronouns are a political question. I think sometimes is nice to respect the wish of the person to be called as they want, but, that shouldn't change the right of have a divergent opinion about gender. It's not a scientific thing is ideological (another way to say "religion" perspective)
all the people siding with vannesa, when i was 12 and watched this i thought vannesa was very harsh with him, telling him that he will never archive his dreams, I sill thinnk the same, you dont do that to someone you love, in real life you should never marry someone who doesnt believe in you or respects you, mark and vannesa were so incompatible lmaoo
Bless your sweet little heart, kiddo. You clearly had the point of this movie and role go straight up whooshing right over your head. Prayers for you and any of your potential current/future relationships. (Also, it's Vanessa, not 'vannesa', FYI.)
@@rachle81 wow, well arent you such a happy little thing, and not at all arrogant, deluded and a complete psychopath. Let me guess you are stuck in a loveless marriage all because the lord says marriage is forever and divorce is a sin. People change, get over it. Its more concerning that people are expected to be the same person they were when they got married. Change and growth is good, and guess what kiddo some people fall out of love with each other; it happens, get over it. BTW dont send me prayers, i dont believe in jesus or the lord or any other batshit fairy tale you spend your entire life aiming to please. You absolute weirdo
Everyone calling Mark a selfish and manchild a-hole but if it was a woman leaving a man to pursue her needs and not accepting the life of a household woman (having a child) everyone here would be calling her a strong independent empowered woman. The hypocrisy of you people never seems to surprise me.
Yeah but Mark led her on and built a life with her knowing that she wanted a kid. He was a creep to Juno even tho shes like what, 17? Mark IS a manchild. Ur kinda an incel lol
Honestly, his problem was less realizing he wanted a different life and asking for a divorce, and more trying to cheat on his wife with a minor and announcing his divorce to said minor before he even talked to his wife about it. It's a good ending none the less because everybody got what they wanted in the end: Vanessa, the baby; Juno, the chance to be a teenager; and Mark, his freedom.
He's not a man child for wanting to pursue his needs, thats not the problem people were having its that he led this relationship on for however long and then only said something when they were gonna get a child and suddenly he realized he couldn't do it cause thats not the life he really wanted. That's not something you should wait till the last minute to express to your partner about. Plus telling Juno before telling Vanessa is wrong. She's not in the clear either though, she shouldn't have tried to push his hobbies and dreams down and make them seem unimportant. His decision to leave was the right one for sure
What do you all would have wanted Mark to do? Go on with the marriage and be a sucky dad because he didn't want either of those things? He took the right decision, and no, nobody is entitled to a baby or parenthood, so he didn't really take anything from Vanessa. She has as much a right to have children as he has the right to choose not to have them. Everyone lived happily ever after thanks to the decision he took. Otherwise Vanessa and him would've been in a living hell of a relationship while raising a kid, and we know how kids in that type of environment turn out. Edit: not to mention that all the smothering and controlling from Vanessa is textbook abuse type of shit.
Mark is a grown ass man in his grown ass 30s. He had PLENTY of time to put his ego aside and tell Vanessa he wasn’t happy. Instead his EGO prevented him from just having a damn talk with her and all of this would have been avoided. It’s so STUPID how people will literally go entire decades without communicating and then act like it’s crazy when the truth comes out like held in vomit. You don’t marry a woman who wants children if you don’t want children. You don’t cheat on someone if you want the comfort and stability of having someone waiting around. Mark was having a mid life crisis like most men approaching 40 do where they cheat and try to reclaim sensations from their 20s and instead of being honest, he had to rely on a teenage girl to tell his wife something he didn’t have the balls to do himself.
Yes, he did the right thing by leaving but he could have told his wife the first time they almost adopted, he could have refrained from flirting with a minor, and he could have discussed divorce with Vanessa first.
I get the vibe that they were high school or college sweethearts and didn't really know how to break up once they got into adulthood. I can't imagine two people who are that different meeting as adults deciding to date and marry. I've seen a lot of couples like this, they are very different people and you can tell they aren't truly happy, but they've been together so long they have no idea how to break up. The results are situations like this.
@@sitcomchristian6886 and you sound like a psychopath and someone trapped in a loveless marriage all because that make believe fairy tale bible tells you divorce is a sin. Im divorced and it was the best thing for me and my children. So instead of judging people, why dont you accept people have different opinions and quit being an arsehole.
You mean he ran away from responsibility and acted like a man child while leading on and hurting the person he promised to stand by forever? yep you’re right
@@bellamia8867 He had a different life goal than her. Were she to drag him into staying in this marriage, he'd be an unhappy man for the rest of his life. This way he's free of this ugly bitch and she's off to become a single mother. He got a lucky ticket out of this deal.
@@bellamia8867 why calling him a "manchild" because he had different wants and likes. If it was woman doing the same thing she would be "empowered" right?
@@ericorenato88 because he didn’t give a damn about her wants and likes. If he had been upfront and honest “look I’m not sure if I’m ready for kids” from the start instead of leading her on then that would be a different thing. I have no problem with people not wanting kids or not wanting marriage etc but it’s selfish and childish to lead someone on when you know they do want those things.
"I'm still in if you are." When I see that Vanessa frames that crinkly note at the end, in the babies room, THAT is what made me shed a tear.
And she places it right where the family portrait was going to be because her little family begins with Juno agreeing to still let her be a Mother to her child. Love it.
@@askabi exactly! I love it!
@I'm_Rand Khan I can sort of appreciate the point you're attempting to make. And yeah it's just a movie, but it's a movie that means a lot to me and other people. And this isn't how is ALWAYS is, EVERYTIME. But sometimes, this is how shit goes in life.
@I'm_Rand Khan Riiiiiight. Well hey like you said, it's just a movie.
@I'm_Rand Khan I reread that last comment and it didn't make much sense in terms of pertaining to this scene in a movie. I like that ya just joined youtube in October, but why go to this clip, OF A MOVIE, and say all this meaningless shite? Anyway, I'm no longer in an mood to argue with a "dude" who's clearly looking for conflict. Have a good life.
Watching this as a kid I totally sided with Mark and thought Vanessa was super uptight and annoying, but watching it back as an adult I realize that Vanessa is a grown ass adult and Mark is the dictionary definition of a man child.
Same.
I fault him more than her, but I don't think she's 100% in the clear. She didn't support his hobbies or passions, just shoved everything into his man cave to keep a sterile home. The reason he started developing feelings for Juno (which was, of course, super creepy and inappropriate) was Juno actually engaged in what he cared about instead of treating it like it was stupid. Guys have an emotional need for that, which his wife was neglecting. His wife was so caught up in what she wanted that she ignored who he actually was: a guy with passions who never fulfilled his dreams and also who never grew up. I don't think there's anything she could have done to make him be the adult and father she needed him to be, but also if she ever meets that adult and father, he will still have passions and childish things he enjoys that she needs to make space for in their life together.
This moment of realizing they can't go forward together would have happened a long time ago if they'd both been able to be honest with each other and allowed one another to be who they actually were.
. . . But yes, he's a total man child, 100% agree.
I'd say his biggest fault was not being honest about the gap between him and his wife much sooner. But again, it would take a more mature person to know that and do something about it.
@Diane Berg No, there is nothing immature about not wanting to have children. He just couldn't realize that or have the communication skills necessary to tell his own wife that until it was almost too late. He's also like 35 years old and moving into a grunge loft to chase sex drugs and rock and roll and to live like a college kid. There's nothing wrong with playing in bands for fun when you're that age, but Mark is the type of dude that will be like 46 years old and working a bunch of odd jobs because "I'm about to hit it big just you wait" That is immaturity.
@Diane Berg didn't he try to get with Juno
I get that he might not want kids. Ik I don't want kids. But it was awful the way he let the relationship carry on for so long even tho he knew they wanted different things.
Exactly.
yup plus they already almost went through an adoption before and he didn’t choose to say anything then. this is a good lesson for people to really discuss what you and your partner want before you commit your lives to each othe
Problem is, he was never honest with her. It all worked out in the end, but still he should’ve been honest with her.
Exactly! So many people don’t seem to get this.
100% agree. It’s fine to not want kids but you need to communicate with your partner and be open and honest about things like this. They are often deal breakers and they always come up sooner or later.. And thats okay. You dont carry-on the rouse that you’re OK with it and post ads in the paper for a baby and lead your wife on who desperately wants children just to callously disappoint her in the end. What he did was just so hurtful.
The smirk on his face..while her world is ending makes me dislike him deeply.
@The No.1 Guy chill out wtf
@a Perigosa what did he say his comments was deleted
@@taylie673 FR 👀
@a Perigosa I'm curious too. Wha'd he say?
Ugh that smirk
This was well acted & written. The fact that he thought it was a bill & she immediately KNEW it was FOR HER and NOT A BILL but more than what it seemed.
Yup, the whole dynamic of their relationship in a nutshell.
After Vanessa reads the note, that breath of relief is impeccable acting along with her entire performance.
1:48 - 1:51 I love the contrast of perspectives through one action. Mark sees the bill side, while Vanessa immediately realises that a note was written on the other side.
It was like they were already connected. I love this movie!
They really should've figured out what they wanted before marriage. You don't get married if you don't want the same things in life
you are exactly right
Sometimes people don't know what they want. A lot of people think that they will get married and have kids because that's what they everybody does. Some people regret it later. My theory is that he was relieved when they couldn't have kids and maybe didn't know until then he didn't want any, and when it was finally happening he chickened out.
Then many people wouldn't get married. Life is difficult. People make mistakes. Marriage is often about compromise. Love comes and goes; sometimes people search their whole life for it.
It would be optimal to make sure that every little detail of their life fits together. In an ideal world, that would be the case. But our world is imperfect. We fail, we evolve - and yet we try to keep going no matter what.
Marriage... A bound for life. If a normal couple makes it official, we don't care much, do we, if they throw us a feast, dress up and exchange rings, suddenly all their human flaws are gone in the eyes of society. We shouldn't make the mistake to assume that being married makes people better or worse.
People Change!
Happens a lot unfortunately
I love how Vanessa knew it was a note for her, one of my favourite parts of the movie
I feel sorry for both Vanessa and Juno; Vanessa because she’s tried to conceive and has always wanted children and Juno because she wanted to have a stable environment for her child, as she knows she won’t be able to bring up a child by herself. Mark will have to know what he wants before he married Vanessa.
It's really hard to truly "know what you want" before you get married. Everyone changes over the course of a marriage. Everyone has issues being fully honest with themselves before (and during) marriage. I'm not defending Mark here. I'm just saying pretty much everyone will marry thr "wrong" person or will marry for the "wrong" reasons or under "false" pretenses. It's a question of how committed each person is to adjusting their expectations and their own behavior to make it work.
As much as I like Jason Bateman as an actor, I hate his character in this film. Irresponsible guys like him don't deserve to be fathers or husbands.
@@Sam-0827 Trust me. It's for the best. She'll get over it.
It's not like it wasn't her fault. She was extremely annoying and creepy from the very first scene.
Married to that harpy is like a prison sentence.
That's why he didn't become a father and they got a divorce.
He did a good job as an actor if you hated his character 😉
I just loved how vanessa still got to be a mom. So powerful.
Well aren’t you the cool guy
Gets me every time
‘Aren’t you the cool guy?’ Light hearted sarcasm but effective.
How did she knock and run to the car so fast in such a short time while being pregnant!!!!
Exactly
She bounced.
Movie magic
It's like when I mother lifts a car off her baby. Temporary super powers
@@stefanmakara373 😂😂😂😂
This is the movie that made me fall in love with Jennifer 🥺 she’s so precious.
Ikr🥺
God bless Jennifer Gardner. ❤
The video didn't show the note, if any of you guys are wondering what it says 'Vanessa if you're still in, I'm still in. - Juno 💗
If you can believe it Juno son is now 13 he is now in Middle school and most likely in 7th or 8th grade most likely doing classwork online through zoom. Crazy to think about
Still a great film.
😂😂
Damn…. I’m 31 years old! I was a junior in high school when I saw this in theatres. 😂
I love this scene, the only thing I never understood is how Vanessa immediately knew the note was for her before even turning it over. Did she just hope that Juno would come back to renegotiate?
If it was a bill it was probably for her anyway, as if he pays bills.😐
Call it a mother's intuition
@@aenjgeal I was just going to say the same thing.
mark’s inappropriate relationship with juno was so weird. his whole character was hella weird. when this came out when i was a kid i hated vanessa. but watching this at 25, mark is like a creep. grow up dude. ugh i feel for vanessa hardcore, i’m ashamed to remember how i hated her character but i guess that’s maturity for you.
I agree! This movie had came out when I was about 15 and at the time I didn’t think anything of him and Juno spending all that time together but now I see how gross it is that a grown married man is spending so much time alone with a 16 year old girl, slow dancing with her and telling her she’s beautiful it’s beyond inappropriate. He was clearly having some kind of midlife crisis especially with the baby on the way from the surrogate mother off of the ad HE posted himself and Juno was someone he could live through and make him feel young again which is so pathetic! If he genuinely felt like he wasn’t ready for kids or even wanted kids for that matter, maybe he shouldn’t of put that ad up in the first place and if he was really just so unhappy and feeling he’s no longer in love with his own wife, maybe he should’ve acted like the adult he’s supposed to be and communicate with her not sit back and just do everything she wants.
How did she make it that fast from the door to the car...
Especially that pregnant lol I'm 8 months now and I can assure you, that ain't happening over here
Bcus she is X-men
@@aerene445 Because she can manipulate soundwaves, and destroy the whole world! ☂
She is better off and can spare a child tge pain of him as a dad.
watching this and seeing Jennifer Garner play as the adoptive mother KNOWING that she plays in the movie Peppermint on Netflix ... is CRAZZZZZZZZY
“Vanessa if your still in, I’m still in” 😭😭💙🤙🏻
Ok imma sum it up for everyone in the comments who doesn’t understand this plot and has different opinions over what’s going on and who’s in the right / wrong.
Vanessa was wrong to try and suppress all his hobbies and interests, for sure, that’s not cool. HOWEVER, they’ve been supposedly trying for a baby for 5 years, meaning for 5 years he led her to believe that he was in and that they BOTH wanted a kid and that they were in this together. Suddenly when they’re about to have a kid though, he starts to have second thoughts and wants to back out, even though he made it seem like he agreed, which is a betrayal to his wife, he deceived her essentially, and he doesn’t tell her how he’s feeling, and selfishly decides that he’s going to leave her out of the blue with no notice, ruining her life and chances of having a child. It’s selfish not because he wants to pursue his dreams, but because he lied and did it out of the blue, knowing that it would hurt her and not caring to discuss the baby matter with her. On top of that, he starts developing a creepy interest in a minor; Juno doesn’t have bad intentions, which is shown by the fact that she is completely not into it when he tells her he’s going to leave his wife, her intentions were innocent, his were not. He was creepy, he crushed on a kid and betrayed his wife by 1. developing feelings for someone else (a child) (when they’re about to have a baby of all times lmao) and 2. Lying to/ deceiving her.
The lying is the thing that everyone seems to be missing here.
All the people that keep saying that he dodged a bullet and he has the right to pursue his dreams, yeah everyone has the right to pursue their dreams, but he deceived his wife and hurt her in a horrible way in a very sensitive/important time, y’all have literally no emotions if you think what he did was morally acceptable.
Oh one other thing, young/immature people think that Vanessa is a villain but people with a clear head will realise that she isn’t, she has a type A personality and she can be obsessive/wants things to be perfect, but she’s not a bad person, we can see the kindness in her when we see her playing with a kid at the mall, she’s just a woman who wants a child and you can’t shame her for that and you can’t say that she was forcing it on her husband; trying to have a kid for 5 years is a pretty damn clear indicator that he wanted kids too, except in the end it turned out that he didn’t and he was lying to her all along. 5 years is a long time and he could’ve come clean at any moment but he chose not to, and when they finally were getting a chance to have a kid, he chooses THAT time to tell her, actually he doesn’t even do that lol, he just decided to straight up leave her.
I don't even think that she was stifling his hobbies. Man had a whole ass room for it. A man cave. Yes, in Juno's eyes it is 'omg you only have this room' but it is actually not some horrible thing. It is a very generous compromise between him having a whole ass room for his hobbies and him decorating the whole house like a 70's rocker den.
I just think that she probably ignored his tendencies and bad sides for a long time (because he certainly viewed his music room as the bare minimum, if even that) and so once he buckled down to crush all her hopes and dreams, she snapped and openly told him what she thought. Which was, no, you're not going to be a rock star. *bitch* XD
People change! he wasn't deceiving her, he as a human being changed his belief of having a child. only 'young/immature people' think differently, Lol do you think you're still in middle school?
@@somtoo3483 you clearly didn't pay attention during the movie.
@@somtoo3483 people change? That’s your reply? Did you watch the movie or read my comment? They’ve been trying to have a baby for FIVE YEARS, he could have told her at some point that he had changed his mind with your “people change” mentality. He didn’t tell her he changed, he kept that hidden all along, he didn’t let on that he was having any second thoughts even though he was because like you said, people change, he just made her believe other he hadn’t changed and was all in. THAT is how he deceived her.
@@somtoo3483 People change, but you don’t go from *wanting* to be a dad, to wanting to be 100% out of the equation overnight.
I wish we knew what Vanessa named the baby?
What song is playing at the beginning?
Marcus Ollier “a lot” by 21 Savage
some kind of instrumental for anyone else but you
Hipster music
Did you find it?
Vanessa shouldn't of gotten married to him he's to much into music and partying time he didn't want kids at least he could of told her that
If I was Vanessa you won't see your daddy here but im gonna go out and look for a good daddy who will love you and want to be with you.
Earlier in the movie it says that Mark and Vanessa were trying for 5 years to have a baby and couldn't. It seems more like he changed his mind because he felt like he was missing out on other things.
@@Pencilskickass there was a scene in Rectify where a character is relieved she had a miscarriage. I think he didn't want a kid and probably thought it would never happen, so when it did he panicked
His life is not going to go the way he thinks it is.
My daughter was born in 2008 and is in 6th grade at 12, so in 2007 he would now be 13 based on birthdate and district in of school could be 7th or 8th.
He is a pathetic man child. Poor Vanessa deserved so much better
You're in love, but the other person want kids. Do you let them go?
I was in that situation. Fortunately, my husband gave me the time to catch up to him. Took a few years, but he didn't nag me. Once I was there, we had a baby and it was wonderful.
Yes
@ironmanhulkbuster - I don't understand your comment. Please understand that I have NOT seen this movie. I guess the first question would be are you (or the people in question) married. If so, why would you let them go? If you (or they) are not married, why are you considering children? You mention "You're in love..." What kind of love do you refer to?
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
Yes. One person will end up compromising for the other, and will resent the other for having taken the life they wanted away from them.
If you truly love them you’ll let them be free to find someone to live their life with, who also wants children. Otherwise you’re with a partner and children you didn’t want.
Personally, I don’t start a relationship just to create the possibility to have kids. I start a relationship because of love. That would come first.
She mocks him and he smirks, they really dont care for the other at this point
Did they marry young?
Mark is a creep…he even tried to hit on Juno (a teenager). I’m glad he isn’t going to be the one to raise the baby.
This is what happen to Jason Bateman he gets a divorce than went to psychopath to trying kill his boss and a crazy maniac
Mark, looser never felt fulfilled as a teenager so hes still recovering and cant move on
It's very interesting comparing the perspectives of women growing up watching this movie and then the men. It shows the disconnect on both sides and actually, it shows how most people don't understand the message the filmmakers are going for with this storyline. The entire point of this subplot is that it's juxtaposing Juno's caring, understanding, and interest of Mark's likes and hobbies compared to Vanessa's indifference to it. This exposes the problem in the relationship. Vanessa is ready to settle down and be an adult, which naturally makes her come off as bossy and controlling and not understanding of Mark's interests or his feelings because she's wanting Mark to be at her level. Mark is still holding on to his youth and he's having second thoughts about settling which forces him to ignore Vanessa's cries for him to grow up. It's a story of two incompatible people getting married and Mark is realizing late into the marriage that this relationship and becoming a parent isn't for him. It's a movie with no villain or hero. If you're a woman in your mid 20's to 40's who saw this movie as a child or young adult you'll likely side with Vanessa. If you're a young man in a similar situation you'll side with mark. But the real answer is there is no side. This movie shows the nuances of a relationship and how knowing your partner you're marrying and communication is key in any relationship.
Agreed. I understand both points of view- it’s extremely nuanced; there’s both nobody and everybody to blame. It’s waiting to take action, and both lying to themselves rather than making a clean break when the time was right.
From one film studies teacher to another, may I suggest that your description include the reasoning behind this choice of scene?
What's abrupt about it? It's the entire scene from the house here.
@@glenndallas7171 I went back and re-watched the film and you're right. I've edited my comment to drop that point.
Mark was such a man-child, I disliked him so much.
I think it's completely fine for Mark to leave. Him and Vanessa had been together for so long that they propably didn't realize that they had been growing apart so much. He loved her and she wanted a baby so bad that she got literally obsessed about it and I think he just wanted to make her happy while not being fully aware of his wishes being so different. They weren't compatible, but she was the one deciding about their life, while he just went along. I remember her character coming off as extremely controlling. Juno was the first one who remembered him of who he wanted to be, before Vanessas wishes had usurped his own and it was good to separate at that point. The only thing I'm not okay with is him making the moves on a minor. That was unacceptable.
То якби нічого такого , але ... Мені просто сподобалось.
Ellen announces shes trans and now I get all these JUNO clips recommend. 🙄
*Elliot, *he
@@emmaraynard2007 Right....
@@emmaraynard2007 Oh good, more comment police. We really needed more of those. 😑
@@emmaraynard2007 yes, I'll respect "his" decision to be what he wants to be irrespective of its basis in reality
The pronouns are a political question. I think sometimes is nice to respect the wish of the person to be called as they want, but, that shouldn't change the right of have a divergent opinion about gender. It's not a scientific thing is ideological (another way to say "religion" perspective)
all the people siding with vannesa, when i was 12 and watched this i thought vannesa was very harsh with him, telling him that he will never archive his dreams, I sill thinnk the same, you dont do that to someone you love, in real life you should never marry someone who doesnt believe in you or respects you, mark and vannesa were so incompatible lmaoo
Bless your sweet little heart, kiddo. You clearly had the point of this movie and role go straight up whooshing right over your head. Prayers for you and any of your potential current/future relationships. (Also, it's Vanessa, not 'vannesa', FYI.)
@@rachle81 dont worry about that 😋 and i write as i want V-A-N-N-E-S-A
Agreed
@@rachle81 wow, well arent you such a happy little thing, and not at all arrogant, deluded and a complete psychopath. Let me guess you are stuck in a loveless marriage all because the lord says marriage is forever and divorce is a sin. People change, get over it. Its more concerning that people are expected to be the same person they were when they got married. Change and growth is good, and guess what kiddo some people fall out of love with each other; it happens, get over it. BTW dont send me prayers, i dont believe in jesus or the lord or any other batshit fairy tale you spend your entire life aiming to please. You absolute weirdo
@@rachle81 You didn't get the movie. The movie clearly paints exactly what the OP is saying.
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She’s got a really very bony face.
Everyone calling Mark a selfish and manchild a-hole but if it was a woman leaving a man to pursue her needs and not accepting the life of a household woman (having a child) everyone here would be calling her a strong independent empowered woman. The hypocrisy of you people never seems to surprise me.
Yeah but Mark led her on and built a life with her knowing that she wanted a kid. He was a creep to Juno even tho shes like what, 17? Mark IS a manchild. Ur kinda an incel lol
Honestly, his problem was less realizing he wanted a different life and asking for a divorce, and more trying to cheat on his wife with a minor and announcing his divorce to said minor before he even talked to his wife about it. It's a good ending none the less because everybody got what they wanted in the end: Vanessa, the baby; Juno, the chance to be a teenager; and Mark, his freedom.
Come on, get real Er P. He told a pregnant kid before he mentioned to his wife that he was leaving. That's super shitty.
He's not a man child for wanting to pursue his needs, thats not the problem people were having its that he led this relationship on for however long and then only said something when they were gonna get a child and suddenly he realized he couldn't do it cause thats not the life he really wanted. That's not something you should wait till the last minute to express to your partner about. Plus telling Juno before telling Vanessa is wrong. She's not in the clear either though, she shouldn't have tried to push his hobbies and dreams down and make them seem unimportant. His decision to leave was the right one for sure
What do you all would have wanted Mark to do? Go on with the marriage and be a sucky dad because he didn't want either of those things? He took the right decision, and no, nobody is entitled to a baby or parenthood, so he didn't really take anything from Vanessa. She has as much a right to have children as he has the right to choose not to have them. Everyone lived happily ever after thanks to the decision he took. Otherwise Vanessa and him would've been in a living hell of a relationship while raising a kid, and we know how kids in that type of environment turn out.
Edit: not to mention that all the smothering and controlling from Vanessa is textbook abuse type of shit.
Mark is a grown ass man in his grown ass 30s. He had PLENTY of time to put his ego aside and tell Vanessa he wasn’t happy. Instead his EGO prevented him from just having a damn talk with her and all of this would have been avoided. It’s so STUPID how people will literally go entire decades without communicating and then act like it’s crazy when the truth comes out like held in vomit.
You don’t marry a woman who wants children if you don’t want children. You don’t cheat on someone if you want the comfort and stability of having someone waiting around. Mark was having a mid life crisis like most men approaching 40 do where they cheat and try to reclaim sensations from their 20s and instead of being honest, he had to rely on a teenage girl to tell his wife something he didn’t have the balls to do himself.
You....sound like you're divorced.
Yes, he did the right thing by leaving but he could have told his wife the first time they almost adopted, he could have refrained from flirting with a minor, and he could have discussed divorce with Vanessa first.
I get the vibe that they were high school or college sweethearts and didn't really know how to break up once they got into adulthood. I can't imagine two people who are that different meeting as adults deciding to date and marry. I've seen a lot of couples like this, they are very different people and you can tell they aren't truly happy, but they've been together so long they have no idea how to break up. The results are situations like this.
@@sitcomchristian6886 and you sound like a psychopath and someone trapped in a loveless marriage all because that make believe fairy tale bible tells you divorce is a sin. Im divorced and it was the best thing for me and my children. So instead of judging people, why dont you accept people have different opinions and quit being an arsehole.
He dodged a big one.
You mean he ran away from responsibility and acted like a man child while leading on and hurting the person he promised to stand by forever? yep you’re right
@@bellamia8867 He had a different life goal than her. Were she to drag him into staying in this marriage, he'd be an unhappy man for the rest of his life. This way he's free of this ugly bitch and she's off to become a single mother. He got a lucky ticket out of this deal.
@@bellamia8867 why calling him a "manchild" because he had different wants and likes. If it was woman doing the same thing she would be "empowered" right?
@@ericorenato88 He flirted with a teenager
@@ericorenato88 because he didn’t give a damn about her wants and likes. If he had been upfront and honest “look I’m not sure if I’m ready for kids” from the start instead of leading her on then that would be a different thing. I have no problem with people not wanting kids or not wanting marriage etc but it’s selfish and childish to lead someone on when you know they do want those things.