漢字, Kanji, Hanzi, Hanja - How Many Characters are there? - A look at ancient and modern history

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  • Characters (字) are logographic symbols that represent words, first developed in what is now Eastern China around 5,000 years ago. The use of Characters spread throughout East Asia and for thousands of years was the dominant and only form of writing known there. In the past different cultures, like the Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and other ancient peoples, used these Characters to write their own languages, and more often than not developed their own as well. In this video I give a brief analysis of each documented culture that has or continues to use Chinese Character based writing systems to determine a total figure of how many Characters were ever developed.
    Peoples covered and the local names for their scripts:
    Chinese Characters - 漢字(繁体字)
    Simplified Chinese Characters - 简体字
    Singapore Simplified Characters - 新加坡簡體字
    Japanese National Characters - 日本国字
    Japanese New Character Forms - 日本新字体
    Korean National Characters - 국자 (國字)
    Korean Abbreviated Characters - 약자 (略字)
    Vietnamese Chữ Nôm (𡨸喃)
    Other Peoples:
    Zhuang - Sawndip (Zhuang Script)
    Khitan - Khitan Large Script
    Jurchen - Jurchen Large Script
    Western Xia - Tangut (Western Xia Script)
    Sui - Sui Script (水書)
    Yi - Classical Yi

КОМЕНТАРІ • 368

  • @hodolski
    @hodolski 10 місяців тому +201

    Fun fact:
    In Korean 田 means dry field and 畓 means rice paddy.
    In Japanese 田 means rice paddy and 畑 means dry field.
    Like 畓 being a Korean national character 畑 is made and widely used in Japan. Note 水 (water) and 火 (fire) in these letters.

    • @beaumoon8581
      @beaumoon8581 10 місяців тому +10

      畑 is more like describing the primitive way of making new farmland - slash and burn forest and use as farmland for 2 or 3 years while the nutrient from the ash support crops then move on to the next forest for slash and burn. Interesting. Now how they make characters for the smaller elements or phenomena which were not visible nor known previously.

    • @zhu_zi4533
      @zhu_zi4533 10 місяців тому +28

      "田field" uses "火fire" to burn straw to fertilize and turns it into a "dry field畑"
      "田" soaked in "water水", it becomes a paddy field"畓"
      You can even roughly understand through this that Korea has more dry fields, while Japan has more paddy fields, because "田" in the default state is the most commonly used field in the local area😂😂

    • @philodustice5296
      @philodustice5296 9 місяців тому +7

      in China we say水田 旱田to express畓 畑,旱meams drought,Characters are good but Chara will go to death if you keep creating new Chara to express some homopropertious items with neglecting the word-creating ability.

    • @philodustice5296
      @philodustice5296 9 місяців тому +7

      Some Chara summary the basic element in the word. eg电, in Traditional Chinese電 means the tail of rain(雨),Simplified kept the tail means electricity, then We have created电视(Electronic visions, or Television) 电子(the essence of electricity, or Electron) by the basic element电。Their is hundruds of others and as Chinese we can create several words randomly in any life scene.

    • @IndianimmigrantinIndia
      @IndianimmigrantinIndia 9 місяців тому +4

      Actually we Japanese often use 水田 for rice paddy.😂

  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 Рік тому +225

    And Unicode thought they could squeeze every character into 16-bits (65536 codepoints). Clearly they didn't realize that Standard Chinese alone would fill the entire available space nearly twice over. It's a good thing that they reserved two entire planes of 65536 codepoints just for CJK characters, but even that wouldn't leave much room for everything other than Standard Chinese. Guess we can look forward to a Quternary Ideographic Plane and Quinary Ideographic Plane, one of which would be reserved exclusively for Yi. The official proposal from China for Yi characters asked for 88613 characters, just barely shy of the 90 000 given in the video.

    • @Curt_Sampson
      @Curt_Sampson Рік тому +37

      Actually quite a few Unicode developers thought that 65,536 code points wouldn't be enough, but there was a big argument about it around 1990 and the folks wanting a smaller size won. And then kinda lost later when they had to expand past that anyway.

    • @klopferator
      @klopferator Рік тому +26

      They knew they couldn't squeeze every character into 16 bits. The original proposal states that Unicode was to be used for the characters used in modern texts, and obsolete or rare characters shouldn't be conjesting the list of useful characters. They were aware of the problem, but decided to focus on the future, not the past. You have to remember that at the time the development of unicode started 32-bit computers were still rather new.

    • @xwtek3505
      @xwtek3505 10 місяців тому +2

      You probably could if you decompose it.

    • @mrmimeisfunny
      @mrmimeisfunny 10 місяців тому +8

      I mean to be fair. Unicode was supposed to replace the old ISO-2022 based national standards which had a hard limit of 8836 characters.
      Though Joe Becker's original estimate of extant characters was "far below 16,384". Which turned out to be way off.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 10 місяців тому +6

      @@osoiii The thing is that several platforms, including Java and Windows, were confident enough in only needing 65536 codepoints that they standardized to UCS-2 and haven't been able to change beyond adopting the hack that is UTF-16, which was an attempt at supporting the full range of UCS-4 on platforms otherwise designed for UCS-2. UTF-8 is technically in a similar situation, ultimately being a hack to support UCS-4 on systems originally designed for ASCII, but the smaller code units make the fact that the whole thing is variable width more obvious. (There is also just more software that depends on certain properties of ASCII than than there are that depend on properties of UCS-2.)

  • @Xirnatts
    @Xirnatts 10 місяців тому +81

    4:42 The character え comes from the cursive script of 衣 and not 之 which is the origin of し

    • @DaniSC_l1
      @DaniSC_l1 6 місяців тому +5

      how did 之 becomes し ??? it doesnt even make sense

    • @Xirnatts
      @Xirnatts 6 місяців тому +7

      @@DaniSC_l1 Google Japanese cursive script

    • @erosnunez6238
      @erosnunez6238 5 місяців тому +1

      I also made the mistake of believing that the Chinese character 之 make hiragana arise え, When it actually arose し, but I still doubt that because it doesn't look similar.

    • @DaniSC_l1
      @DaniSC_l1 5 місяців тому

      @@slushfilm dude doesnt know what a comment is. Also stop going to reddit my guy

    • @魚の氷
      @魚の氷 Місяць тому +1

      @@erosnunez6238 し is from 之's cursive writing style

  • @deacudaniel1635
    @deacudaniel1635 Рік тому +57

    This is the most comprehensive presentation about 漢字 and their derived scripts I've found on the English side of UA-cam. I learned some new interesting information from this video.As a Mandarin learner, I'm quite familiar with 漢字,but didn't know much about the 國字s from Korea and Japan.

    • @danielzhang1916
      @danielzhang1916 10 місяців тому +2

      Chinese was brought to Japan in the 5th-6th century C.E.

    • @maxf9291
      @maxf9291 9 місяців тому

      It’s funny, just yesterday I was looking for a good video on this topic but couldn’t find anything, and then this video got recommended to me today! I guess that means the algorithm is doing it’s job. It satisfies my itch for this topic so I’m glad I came across it! I’ll check out this other video too

  • @juncesgamestudio8997
    @juncesgamestudio8997 2 роки тому +84

    You should be more popular than you currently are. So much interesting videos!

  • @icebaby6714
    @icebaby6714 10 місяців тому +55

    This is so far the best and most comprehensive video about Hanzi / Hanja / Kanji / Chu Nom. Very informative! Well done!👍👍👍

    • @YuetoUchiha
      @YuetoUchiha 9 місяців тому +1

      Chữ nôm ? Hán tự nhé bro

    • @barbiebarbie1813
      @barbiebarbie1813 6 місяців тому +1

      No kanji and Hanja and Chu Nom in history. Only Hanzi 漢字 in history.
      Hanji(Chinese characters in Japanese) = wrong Chinese characters

    • @Fgh56-eq9pp
      @Fgh56-eq9pp 4 місяці тому +1

      Hanja kanji hanzi hantu

    • @tungmeiali1036
      @tungmeiali1036 3 місяці тому

      实际上,我们的国家正常使用汉字(),喃字不是越南正式的字

    • @icebaby6714
      @icebaby6714 3 місяці тому

      @@tungmeiali1036 喃字看起來比漢字復雜。

  • @manobit
    @manobit Рік тому +23

    와... 대단하네요. 한자에 대해서 알고 싶은 사람에게 좋은 참고가 될 것 같아요.
    What a great video! I think this video will be a good reference for those who want to know about Chinese Characters.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

    • @kimurahundoshi4485
      @kimurahundoshi4485 8 місяців тому +2

      @@yanyanz3011 that is just for chinese people bro
      chinese characters are not chinese thing like alphabet in EU
      japanese characters are kanji and korean characters are hanja

    • @asddw6957
      @asddw6957 8 місяців тому +1

      @@kimurahundoshi4485 Chinese Hanzi are not Chinese. Whose are they? Please read more books

    • @Isl33p
      @Isl33p 7 днів тому

      @@yanyanz3011 Hanzi - 漢(Han *Chinese* ) 字(character). They are literally the same thing

  • @yorgunsamuray
    @yorgunsamuray Рік тому +54

    I'm not sure that Tangut or Yi scripts can be counted. They are wildly different. In fact, I could only see the Zhuang's Sawndip a part of the Chinese character family. Jurchen and Khitan scripts are clearly influenced but, wouldn't be called within the zone of the Chinese characters.

    • @InkboxSoftware
      @InkboxSoftware  Рік тому +38

      After a year of reflection on this video I have to agree with you. While this isn't a scholarly look at character based writing systems, I think I would do it differently if I redid the video today. My assertion that all character writing systems of that area of the world are "漢字" is almost like saying every language using latin letters is latin based, influenced no doubt, but not a necessarily a direct descendent. But I still think this provides an interesting look at the different characters of the orient. Thanks for the comment.

    • @yorgunsamuray
      @yorgunsamuray Рік тому +12

      @@InkboxSoftware yeah, definitely. Greek, Latin and Cyrillic are all based on the Phoenician script and they even overlap to some extent. Meanwhile Georgian and Armenian are not. But there is some influence. The situation is kinda similar here.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

    • @yorgunsamuray
      @yorgunsamuray 9 місяців тому +5

      @@yanyanz3011 well the Mandarin name of it. Japanese name is “Kanji”, Korean name is “Hanja”. I used more of the neutral English naming. Not that wrong; 漢 is “Chinese” and 字 is “letter, writing character”. It’s literally the translation of “Hanzi”.

    • @asddw6957
      @asddw6957 8 місяців тому

      @@yorgunsamuray I'm sorry, Koreans like to steal the history of other countries and need to be vigilant at all times

  • @heckincat1406
    @heckincat1406 Рік тому +278

    Asian countries otw to have the hardest, most confusing yet beautiful languages known to humanity for no reason:

    • @danielzhang1916
      @danielzhang1916 10 місяців тому +26

      it's hard because each character has its tone and pronunciation, completely different from English and other languages that use an alphabet, missing either one completely changes the character, but many characters just have a different radical to differentiate them, so you have to remember all of them

    • @sneedfeed3179
      @sneedfeed3179 10 місяців тому

      Beautiful? Lol. Tonal languages, and just East Asian languages in general sound horrible. 9 times out of 10 and especially if it’s a woman talking it sounds like an animal is dying. And a lot of their women are pretty, so I’m not just saying this out of racism sake lol

    • @ZETA14.88
      @ZETA14.88 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@sneedfeed3179still better than ebonic lol

    • @BR0984
      @BR0984 10 місяців тому

      @@ZETA14.88based

    • @conradtrinh6470
      @conradtrinh6470 10 місяців тому

      ​@@danielzhang1916alphabet indicate sound so any sound in Chinese can use alphabet instead use signs to indicate meaning mean you must remember over 20k signs are overwhelmed for people to learn Chinese writing that's why Chinese language is most unpopular hate writing make Chinese so shy scare stiff silent sissy slow square sick shameful sad small with small slantt eye so you folk can focus reading.

  • @Rationalific
    @Rationalific Рік тому +30

    This is a pretty incredibly-researched video! And unlike a lot of videos that ask questions and never truly answer them, there is an actual specific answer at the end, even if we can never know exactly how many Chinese-style characters there were. Great stuff!

  • @fariesz6786
    @fariesz6786 10 місяців тому +32

    not sure if i would count the Yi characters. they are aesthetically very different, or at least their modern reflexes are.
    also 㔔 is just the old koreans trolling us through time, isn't it?

    • @KuraSourTakanHour
      @KuraSourTakanHour 10 місяців тому +8

      I think that character would be pronounced Kang?
      I think it was an experiment to use chinese characters combine with hangul to increase number of sounds? Or an intermediate script before current Hangul was finalised?

    • @noonehere6994
      @noonehere6994 Місяць тому

      @@KuraSourTakanHourThat "experiment to use hangul with hanja" can't be the case, as the only character that would qualify as hangul is the ㅇ in the bottom. The ㅁ in the top right may seem like one, but no. Since ㅁ is a consonant character, it cannot be there -- it must be a hanja character.
      There being only 1 character that just barely looks like a hangul character doesn't give much credence to that theory imo.

    • @Isl33p
      @Isl33p 7 днів тому

      @@KuraSourTakanHour It is pronounced 'Kang/Gang' or 'Dung' in Korea.

    • @Isl33p
      @Isl33p 7 днів тому

      ​@@noonehere6994
      There is noㅇ in 㔔; it's actually Old Ieung (ㆁ). It is not a modern Hangul character. This character is a Hunminjeongeum(訓民正音) character. 㔔 is basically old Korean combining 加 (a Chinese character) with ㆁ (a Hunminjeongeum character).
      加 is pronounced 가(Ka/Ga), while ㆁ has ㅇ sound. So, that gets us 강 (Kang/Gang) sound.
      However, 加 also had a native sound called 더(Deo). Put ㆁ in 더, and you get 덩 (Dung).
      This character was obviously created after King Sejong created the Korean alphabet, but it was still more of an experimental character that was used when Koreans tried to write native Korean words in Chinese characters.

  • @stevenoviedo541
    @stevenoviedo541 Рік тому +13

    Fantastic video. Thoroughly structured. Loved your academic approach to the topic. And kudos to always reminding the viewer that estimations are not facts.
    Subscribed in an instant.

  • @JonMawPAUL_ANKA
    @JonMawPAUL_ANKA 10 місяців тому +14

    It's worth noting that a lot of Han Chinese languages cannot be written using the most standard characters due to a lack of standardisation process, and if newly adopted characters to write Cantonese and Taiwanese Hokkien is included, then the numbers could be higher.

    • @gsmiro
      @gsmiro 8 місяців тому +1

      That's not necessarily true. For example in Hokkien/Min Nan/Taiwanese, many of the spoken words do have corresponding characters in kai style written characters. The only thing is that many of them were ancient and archaic characters that modern Chinese don't use as much. So many people ended up created or using other characters to informally represent that spoken word.

  • @gustavovillegas5909
    @gustavovillegas5909 Рік тому +8

    Amazing video! As a learner of Japanese and Korean, this scratched an itch I didn’t think could be scratched

  • @williaml.willowfield2220
    @williaml.willowfield2220 10 місяців тому +9

    people always get blown away with myriads of Chinese character, but most of them never realize that we only use abt a tenth of them in daily life, even so many of them was surprisingly simple by combining some basic, typical hanzi into one. Hanzi is much simple and making sense than most of the western peoplr thought

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

  • @beaumoon8581
    @beaumoon8581 10 місяців тому +5

    Excellent presentation and good luck with people who are still stuck with the writing system which one has to memorize few thousands symbols/characters/ideograms. I am lucky to read/write/understand the greatest writing system Hangul plus English alphabet.

    • @neo.4662
      @neo.4662 3 місяці тому

      There's a trend to bring back Chinese characters in Korean though

    • @hamusutaw
      @hamusutaw 3 місяці тому

      Too many homophones

    • @noonehere6994
      @noonehere6994 Місяць тому

      @@neo.4662source for this claim? it's only falling more and more into obscurity and just a "kids these days don't know this" kind of thing from boomers

  • @Jumptohistory
    @Jumptohistory Рік тому +34

    The "漢字" shown in the video is actually in Japanese version of simplified characters. I think it's due to the font being used though.

    • @danteuribe2179
      @danteuribe2179 10 місяців тому +2

      Would you count those variations as different characters? I think I would, but I guess that would open a bigger debate on whether different styles count as different characters, as they have different ammounts of strokes

    • @救
      @救 Місяць тому

      And in the part showing Japanese simplification, Chinese fonts are used, as is clear from 寿 and 箪.

  • @kwirro
    @kwirro 2 роки тому +7

    I love your videos, these are so interesting!

  • @SgtRocko
    @SgtRocko 10 місяців тому +33

    My Korean in-laws just laughed when I asked about Hanja. They said "Oh, they pretend to teach those old things to us in school, and we pretend to learn them - then the moment we graduate we never see them again". One of them, a teenager, said if anyone ever actually uses Hanja characters when writing, it's considering a total affectation & silly. "It's like if an English speaker writes poetry with a quill pen, it's just somebody being weird". I know in North Korea all Hanja are banned.

    • @pluto1526
      @pluto1526 10 місяців тому +6

      wow, that's so true! I was born in Korea and lived until univ. and now living in Canada, and I don't think I can read most of hanja. lol maybe I remember some numbers and elements words such as fire, water, and tree things. maybe around 20-30 characters? fyi, I learned hanja only in middle school for 3years.

    • @sharpasacueball
      @sharpasacueball 9 місяців тому

      @@pluto1526 Older people can read and write a lot more because it used to be taught and used more widely.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters or Hanja.

    • @jkid4855
      @jkid4855 8 місяців тому

      Koreans don't care if they can't read historical documents or even news papers 30 years ago.

    • @pluto1526
      @pluto1526 7 місяців тому

      yap more than younger people but still not like a few thousand or hundred words. My parents would know maybe around 100 characters, and for sure forgot about them a lot by now cuz never use them @@sharpasacueball

  • @zelkk7049
    @zelkk7049 10 місяців тому +10

    I envy your ability to perfectly pronounce Chinese characters properly

    • @Louiessss
      @Louiessss 10 місяців тому

      Tbh not really, but I also appreciate the effort

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

  • @IanHsieh
    @IanHsieh Рік тому +9

    I was expecting to see the mention of 女書(female script) and is surprised that it wasn't even mentioned.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      It's called nüshu, not female script

    • @IanHsieh
      @IanHsieh 9 місяців тому +1

      @@yanyanz3011 That's pinyin, what I did is translated them into English.

    • @Finity_twenty_ten
      @Finity_twenty_ten 2 місяці тому

      It's called Hiragana. Ok fine I know what you're talking about. But it's strange that Hiragana became the main writing script in Japan, while the female script in China just fell out of fashion.

  • @GTV-Japan
    @GTV-Japan 2 роки тому +4

    You have a great, varied and interesting channel! I’m very glad to find it.

  • @gulliverplus8912
    @gulliverplus8912 Рік тому +3

    Excellent introduction of 漢字 🀄🀄🀄👍👍👍More people should know your video!👁👁👁💪💪💪❤❤❤❤❤

  • @frankhooper7871
    @frankhooper7871 10 місяців тому +3

    Despite my admittedly limited knowledge of Japanese and Chinese, I was pleased to recognise the constituent parts of the Korean character for "rice paddy" as water and field

  • @rlvct
    @rlvct 2 роки тому +5

    so much work in this video

  • @gjbhnsdggffrq
    @gjbhnsdggffrq 10 місяців тому +19

    A question below was about why Chu Nom was not popular in Vietnam. Chu Nom was used to write pure Vietnamese words (what are pure Vietnamese words is another problem to be discussed), however, these characters were perhaps too complicated to learn, hence in fact, it has never been officially used in the courts. In some periods, Chu Nom was promoted and encouraged, just to be discouraged later.
    However, some greatest works of Vietnamese literature were written in Chu Nom, for example The Tale of Kieu by Nguyen Du, of poems of Ho Xuan Huong.

    • @Christan_yui
      @Christan_yui 9 місяців тому

      Dude I can’t remember how to write one to ten in Chu Nom

  • @jmjt3709
    @jmjt3709 10 місяців тому +4

    Excellently well researched and respectfully presented.

  • @erdyantodwinugrohozheng
    @erdyantodwinugrohozheng 8 місяців тому +2

    Hello, Inkbox. I feel this video is interesting and educational.
    But, I wanna add the largest numbers of Chinese characters recorded in some dictionaries. So, according to Wikipedia (Sadly, It was edited recently with no numbering of characters in dictionaries, but you can find previous article in "Last edited"), Greater China (Well, I include Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau) has 異體字字典 (Yitizi Zidian/Dictionary of Chinese character Variants) published in Taiwan which contains 106,330 Chinese characters. Japan has Dai Kan-Wa Jiten (大漢和辞典/The Great Chinese-Japanese Dictionary) contains 50,305 Chinese characters. And also, Korea published Han Han Dae Sajeon (漢韓大辭典/한한대사전/The Great Dictionary of Hanja-Hangeul) which contains 53,667 Chinese characters.

  • @AC58401
    @AC58401 10 місяців тому +15

    There are a lot of linguists trying to come up with typological classifications for the Chinese writing system. Logography is good enough for most people not interested in the fine details and who are not academics or linguists.
    Joyce (2016) classifies the Chinese writing system as "morphologic" since it is a writing system that uses morphemes to convey meaning. It isn't accurate to say that the Chinese writing system uses characters to represent words since there are actually very few single characters that function as words. Most words in Chinese are made up of two morphemes (bimorphemic or disyllabic). Some Chinese characters cannot be used alone (bound morpheme), which means that they have no meaning without another character or more.
    For example, 珊瑚 means "coral," but 珊 and 瑚 cannot be used by themselves and are inherently meaningless without each other.
    This would undermine the idea that Chinese characters represent words, among other counterexamples.
    Reference:
    Joyce, T. (2016). Writing systems and scripts. In A. Rocci & L. de Saussure (Eds.), Verbal communication (Handbooks of Communication Science 3) (pp. 287-308). Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.

    • @HakuYuki001
      @HakuYuki001 10 місяців тому

      That’s so stupid.
      You picked out a rare example of a multi-character word where the morphemes are bound and not words in of themselves.
      THAT’S INCREDIBLY RARE.
      99%+ of morphemes can and do function as independent words as well as morphemes to construct words. 😂

    • @AC58401
      @AC58401 10 місяців тому +4

      @@HakuYuki001 99% is a big claim, but it's still true that the majority of words in Chinese are disyllabic, not monosyllabic. Chinese was more monosyllabic in the past, especially true for Classical Chinese, but that has since changed.
      Also, I was arguing against the claim that Chinese characters represent words. Yes, there are monosyllabic words, but you would then have to explain exceptions of bound morphemes if your claim is that characters represent words. If you can't deal with exceptions, then you have to change your claim being made to account for exceptions to the claim. The fact that there are bound morphemes undermines the idea that characters represent words.

  • @Finity_twenty_ten
    @Finity_twenty_ten 2 місяці тому +2

    6:15 Yes, the Asahi Newspaper Newspaper.

  • @xydez
    @xydez 10 місяців тому +2

    Exactly what I wanted to see, I love the history of chinese writing

  • @Mute_Nostril_Agony
    @Mute_Nostril_Agony 10 місяців тому +7

    You forgot to add the characters used by American and European hipsters incorrectly in tattoos

  • @JhonJairoBernal-i3j
    @JhonJairoBernal-i3j Місяць тому +2

    If you are counting all variations, derivations and even characters that are no longer used to add up the total, then it is not correct to say that the phonetic alphabet used in English only has 26 characters. You should use the same logic and count historical and current variations (for example, the characters for uppercase are different from lowercase), and even derivations created in other countries, such as ñ, ç, etc.

  • @danielantony1882
    @danielantony1882 Рік тому +5

    So if we try to guesstimate, there are probably around 500,000 characters, if we include ones that were lost to history and guess their approximate quantity.

  • @lafcursiax
    @lafcursiax 8 місяців тому

    All I knew about Yi writing was the syllabary. When you announced how many characters were in the Yi dictionary, my jaw dropped!

  • @sendark001
    @sendark001 Рік тому +8

    hey the "seal" at 13:34 is incredibly aesthetically pleasing, do you have any links or info on how to read more about that? it sorta connects with my obsession about space-filling curves (mathematical stuff).

    • @kohhsaka
      @kohhsaka 10 місяців тому

      Google 篆書印章 篆書印鑑 or 篆書体

    • @SupahTrunks7
      @SupahTrunks7 10 місяців тому +1

      I don’t know about that seal in particular, but there was a system of writing Mongolian used by one of the mongol dynasties in China called Phags Pa script and it often was used in seals in a way that looks very similar!

    • @bobboberson8297
      @bobboberson8297 10 місяців тому

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_script here's the wikipedia page on the script used. It's used heavily in official state documents/seals (like passports and government stamps, kind of like a signature). If you load the article in japanese there's much more information so you'll just have to use google translate and look at the pictures. Ultimately it's mainly just a way of making logos look fancy

    • @kafka310
      @kafka310 10 місяців тому +2

      這基本上是漢字的一種特殊的書寫方式,稱之為“篆書”,常用於政府的印章,是非常嚴肅莊重的

    • @Finity_twenty_ten
      @Finity_twenty_ten 2 місяці тому

      BUT IMAGINE ACTUALLY READING IT!!!!!!

  • @sremagamers
    @sremagamers Рік тому +6

    Why do you use the Japanese simiplification of 漢 even when talking about Chinese and Korean use? The traditional character has an extra line the Japanese one removed.

  • @hdofu
    @hdofu Рік тому +1

    You make Super Mario Bros hacks, you talk about Typography history, how am I not following your channel already?

  • @floptaxie68
    @floptaxie68 Рік тому +28

    I love this scripture system no matter how hard it is, I love how Japanese mix Kanji and two different syllabaries
    Imagine that hieroglyphs and cuneiform scripture never lost
    Do Chinese have something like the Jōyō Kanji list? It would be usefol to reduce the number of characters, and also unify the simplifications from China and Japan

    • @danielantony1882
      @danielantony1882 Рік тому +7

      The Simplified Chinese Script is called 簡体字. I heard it's around 2200 new ones but the overall Kanji of 簡体字 are considered around 8000. Because there were probably already a lot of Kanji that were considered simple/easy.

    • @floptaxie68
      @floptaxie68 Рік тому +9

      @@danielantony1882 the japanese kanji was simplified after the world war II and they created a list of the most common used, originally were around 1800 but today they are like 2200, not because people today use more kanji but when they made the list they forgot the include some important ones

    • @danielantony1882
      @danielantony1882 Рік тому +2

      @@floptaxie68 I'm talking about Chinese Kanji. That's literally what Kanji means.

    • @carltomacruz9138
      @carltomacruz9138 10 місяців тому +6

      ​@@danielantony1882: HANZI, not "Chinese Kanji".

    • @danielantony1882
      @danielantony1882 10 місяців тому

      @@carltomacruz9138 Same thing, bro. Just different pronunciation. I mean, if we're just going with the orignal ownership idea then might as well just call it Kanji. You don't need to get butthurt simply because I'm not calling it Hanzi. It's literally the same thing.

  • @vlarion2023
    @vlarion2023 9 місяців тому +12

    The Chinese characters are actually comparable to that of Latin and Germanic languages. Even though both use letters, the people from China, Korea, and Japan can understand each other's languages to a certain extent. Whereas the languages used by the Khitans, Jurchens, and Western Xia are incomprehensible with the languages of the south. Just like how Germanic languages and Latin languages are not easily comprehensible and have very little lexical similarities.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

    • @michaelbanh4000
      @michaelbanh4000 9 місяців тому +1

      and Vietnam
      get an education

    • @tungmeiali1036
      @tungmeiali1036 3 місяці тому +2

      你忘了越南。越南从古代也用汉字(Hán tự or chữ Hán)。虽然越南的地欧是东南亚,但是我们国家和中国,韩国,朝鲜,台湾,日本 有相同的文化,甚至越南的文化是最像中国的。希望以后你们记得把越南放在东亚文化。越南语有许多汉越词,这些词以古代或者中代的汉语,发音像广东话:结婚( kết hôn),中国 (Trung Quốc),美国( Mĩ quốc,Hoan Kỳ or Mĩ),身(thân),同( đồng),速度(tốc độ),准备(chuẩn bị),离婚( li hôn),常(thường),古代(cổ đại),车(xe or xa),公共汽车( xe công cộng),卫生间( nhà vện sinh),电话(điện thoại),脑 (não),(tim or tâm)心, 房间(phòng),头(đầu),查(tra), 大使馆(đại sứ quán) 历史(lịch sử),物理学(vật lí),化学(hoá học),数学(toán học),体育学(thể dục),大学(đại học),银行(ngân hàng) 校长(hiệu trưởng),学生(học sinh),学(học),雪(tuyết),密(mật)什么的。另外,字喃 不是越南正式的字,大数的时间我们用汉字。越南人也可读懂汉字的韩国,中国,和日本。我希望这些可以让你们对越南的理解越来越深

  • @Finity_twenty_ten
    @Finity_twenty_ten 2 місяці тому

    5:14 Probably the most syllable-packed kanji. 5 SYLLABLES IN ONE KANJI!

  • @Stvk
    @Stvk Рік тому +4

    There are not just one Chữ Nôm. Some minority people in Vietnam created their own version which very similar to Chữ Nôm but with their language (sorry bad english)

    • @InkboxSoftware
      @InkboxSoftware  Рік тому +2

      Okay, I haven't heard of that, do you know which minorities?

    • @Stvk
      @Stvk Рік тому +1

      @@InkboxSoftware Tày & Dao (in Vietnamese)

  • @Alya-hq2lu
    @Alya-hq2lu 2 роки тому +11

    Chu nom characters are really interesting also, why is this not popular?

    • @lenguyenxuonghoa
      @lenguyenxuonghoa Рік тому +11

      Even mostly Vietnamese people don't give a sh!t to that script. This is a sad reality as Vietnam has given up on Han Nom

    • @Alya-hq2lu
      @Alya-hq2lu Рік тому +2

      @@nomnaday thanks for explaining!

    • @ElidaeDanh
      @ElidaeDanh Рік тому +2

      Colonization

    • @ikkue
      @ikkue 10 місяців тому

      Fake nationalism fueled by colonialism

    • @conradtrinh6470
      @conradtrinh6470 10 місяців тому +1

      Too outdated too old fashioned too hard to learn n use so why use character writing for instead use spelling system lot easy n faster. That's why nobody use character writing but dumbb Chinese.

  • @Moeno614
    @Moeno614 8 місяців тому

    was wondering if you ganna mention Western Xia(西夏), Great job mate !

  • @FoxHStream
    @FoxHStream 3 місяці тому +3

    Fun fact: The thumbnail is not 漢字, instead to be 𡨸喃 (chữ Nôm) and some other script that he covered. But as a Vietnamese, I don't classify 𡨸喃 as 漢字, since it made to make our writing system differs from 漢字.

  • @hastalavistababy6040
    @hastalavistababy6040 9 місяців тому +4

    That red character in thumbnail looks sus

  • @conho4898
    @conho4898 9 місяців тому +1

    Trần Nhân Tông didn't bring Chữ Nôm into official writing. This part is wrong. The picture you showed is Hồ Quý Li, who did try to bring Chữ Nôm into official writing.

  • @nou6990
    @nou6990 10 місяців тому +3

    as a taiwanese person that thumbail looks soooo cursed out of context

  • @mixp1x
    @mixp1x 10 місяців тому +5

    I like the depth of this video. Thanks for making this!
    But actually counting all the convoluted historic variants of characters is quite nonsensical to say the least. It's like, when faced with a question how many Greek characters are there, replying "well, certainly over a hundred, let's think about all the lost characters, historic glyph forms and maybe even about the Minoan script". Obviously, the common sense answer should be 24.
    And, on that matter, I don't understand why you even count Khitan, Sui and Yi. It's like counting Cherokee and Inuit scripts into Latin because they were 'influenced'

  • @Markoseukakila
    @Markoseukakila Рік тому +4

    There are many chinese characters, but there would always be some useles characters that can't be pronounced like: ,,,, and others.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

  • @jxjren6545
    @jxjren6545 27 днів тому

    It is interesting that because Japan is an island country, it can see many other types of fish than China, so it has created many characters related to fish.

  • @Ketsuafureskit
    @Ketsuafureskit 2 роки тому +17

    Fascinating. One thing that came to mind was Taiwan. They don’t have their own variants or national characters?

    • @InkboxSoftware
      @InkboxSoftware  2 роки тому +20

      In Taiwan there is the Standard Form of National Characters released by the Ministry of Education. It does look like they have some of their own unique forms of Characters as well, although not like the National Characters from Japan or Korea. Taiwan has only recently (since 1949) been a separate political entity from the mainland and the majority of the educated officials in those early days came from the mainland itself, meaning that they didn't have the same reasons to create National Characters as other nations did because they were, are still are, Chinese. The best way to put it might be that The Standard Form of National Characters is the standard that was set by the Ministry of Education of The Republic of China for the writing of Chinese Characters, which does hold some differences in particular with how the standards are set for the People's Republic of China (mainland China), but does not result in the creation of new Characters unique to that island.

    • @Atreyx
      @Atreyx Рік тому +10

      In Taiwan we use traditional Chinese characters instead of simplified Chinese characters,which is the original writing system in Chinese history

    • @Jacob.D.
      @Jacob.D. Рік тому +5

      Taiwanese as a dialect of Sino language group indeed has many unique vocabularies, and so on the characters for them.
      And besides the dialect part, on a level of formal occasions, Taiwan is actually the one that keeps the very 'fundamental' version of Chinese writings; And on the contrary, we (the PR. China) have actually made many reforms on those characters, and in some cases even borrowed pieces of your Japanese simplified Kanji back.
      That's why sometimes the Taiwanese mention our simplified Chinese characters are broken (残体字)

    • @KathyXie
      @KathyXie Рік тому +5

      Taiwan use traditional Chinese characters but some simplified characters are used informally, there is also new characters for written vernacular Hokkien like 𪜶, but the majority of them can't be displayed on computers.

    • @chy1203
      @chy1203 Рік тому +1

      Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau use standard Chinese (i.e. traditional Chinese, the non-simplified ver.)

  • @marin4311
    @marin4311 10 місяців тому +1

    Could you make a video about the radical system in Chinese and Japanese?

  • @Goodmorning_coffee_hula
    @Goodmorning_coffee_hula 10 місяців тому +2

    As a Chinese, I can't understand all the words in the video, it's very hard to us.

  • @KJNEO-x6s
    @KJNEO-x6s Місяць тому

    btw 福建与 and 广东与 also exist which also has its own character derived from written mandarin

  • @GeoPoly214
    @GeoPoly214 9 місяців тому +3

    汉字is not character, it literally means Han character. Han is the majority ethnic group of China. so hanzi, kanji all mean Chinese character

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

  • @gunawanprabowo7291
    @gunawanprabowo7291 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for sharing

  • @JanxZ
    @JanxZ 10 місяців тому +2

    Disappointed by lack of mentionment of the 則天文字

  • @Finity_twenty_ten
    @Finity_twenty_ten 2 місяці тому +1

    I can't really read chinese, but seal form characters look impossible to read.

  • @Barong-AliTalib
    @Barong-AliTalib 2 місяці тому +1

    Fun fact how Japanese Hiragana was influenced by Cursive Chinese script.

  • @rocketmillion
    @rocketmillion 3 місяці тому +2

    ayyy singapore!!!

  • @calitaliarepublic6753
    @calitaliarepublic6753 10 місяців тому +2

    4:20 I see what you did there with the map of Japan. Very good, very good. Haha
    日本は樺太を取り戻す。絶対に。

  • @soryabuscompany
    @soryabuscompany 2 роки тому +2

    Pretty interesting

  • @Mewtwodestroyer
    @Mewtwodestroyer 10 місяців тому +2

    What about naxi dongba? Its not in unicode yet, but it is still sorta in use.

  • @sinoroman
    @sinoroman Місяць тому +1

    Adding Chu Nom would just double the numbers, no?

  • @dl1083
    @dl1083 Рік тому +13

    By the way, "Chu Nom" in Khmer (Cambodian) means "to have to pee" lol

    • @Jacob.D.
      @Jacob.D. Рік тому +1

      Haha, how funny (baby boring)

    • @dl1083
      @dl1083 Рік тому +2

      @@Jacob.D. ok

  • @lianghocma
    @lianghocma 9 місяців тому +1

    Please give links of your sources so people can do their own research

  • @titan146
    @titan146 4 місяці тому

    Would you have any sources you recommend for further research in this topic? I'm looking into doing my dissertation on the history and influence of the Chinese language.

  • @ryuvu7589
    @ryuvu7589 24 дні тому

    10:13 that man is Hồ Quý Ly Emperor

  • @DanH-u3f
    @DanH-u3f 10 місяців тому +7

    There are at least 10000 Traditional Chinese characters, but most of those characters are not used in everyday language. Some were used in old poetry and writings. The PRC use Simplified Chinese that use shortened characters for the less literate.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 9 місяців тому

      Chinese writing system is called Hanzi, not Chinese characters.

  • @Anthony-hh3dl
    @Anthony-hh3dl 10 місяців тому

    I like "小纂"so much!

  • @philyip4432
    @philyip4432 3 місяці тому

    The clerical script is the euphemism for slave script . Because at that time period, there were two types of slaves, the field slaves and the house hold slaves. The so-called clerical script was performed by the household slaves. They were the slaves that performed household chores , including bookkeeping and record keeping.

  • @jan_Eten
    @jan_Eten 3 місяці тому

    crazy how ðe number shown is 90 away from 234,567 (just digits 2 to 7 as a number)

  • @syntheticvocalist-p472
    @syntheticvocalist-p472 8 місяців тому +1

    甲骨文
    Why is the 骨 character, written in Japanese? Should the little square be on the left side? Since it’s Chinese?

    • @novadev18
      @novadev18 3 місяці тому

      The little square is also on the right in Taiwan and Hong Kong, So I see no problem here.

    • @救
      @救 Місяць тому

      長い漢字の歴史の中で、大陸で骨の字がそのように書かれるようになったのはつい最近です。

  • @kirilvelinov7774
    @kirilvelinov7774 9 місяців тому +1

    Katsumotonese letters look like the Burmese script but cursed lol

  • @Tonyangduck
    @Tonyangduck 2 місяці тому

    4:22 Why does Japanese map contain Sakhalin area? It's shocking.

  • @Treinbouwer
    @Treinbouwer 9 місяців тому

    Should I invent a word, can I then just invent a character if it is translated in languages like chinese? (Hypotheticaly)

  • @Brandonhayhew
    @Brandonhayhew 10 місяців тому +1

    to be honest lot of these characters seems over exaggerated

  • @unquietthoughts
    @unquietthoughts 8 місяців тому

    The letter on the middle of the thumbnail looks kinda cursed 💀

  • @ALVIN-mv1he
    @ALVIN-mv1he 9 місяців тому +1

    Jurchen....the pronunciation of letter J is Y😑 if you know how to pronounce 女(汝)真

  • @OsakaJoe01
    @OsakaJoe01 7 місяців тому

    Yes, all those characters exist, but I think it would be misleading to call them all 漢字, as clearly, there were sets of characters that were invented by other peoples, such as mentioned here, the Vietnamese, Yi etc.
    I guess it depends on what the question is. Do we want to know a more or less exhaustive list of every character that ever stemmed from the 漢字 beast? Yes. It's "at least 235,647."
    But when counting 漢字 characters, why must we necessarily include all those character sets NOT invented or used by 漢 Chinese? Can those be called "漢字?" I don't think so. That's taking credit from all those people who devised their own writing styles.
    Strictly speaking, only those characters created and used by the 漢 people are 漢字. So rather than make the task of counting 漢字 needlessly complicated, I think it's better to keep things simple. How many characters were devised by the 漢 people?
    In my mind, that is the true number.
    Also, how many of them are being used today? That would make the task even simpler.
    When counting Roman characters, do we count all those characters that have fallen out of disuse? Þ/þ for example? We use 26 characters in English, _but_ Þ/þ was replaced with Th/th. So do we count that or leave it out?
    So we can simplify the task of counting 漢字 characters by limiting ourselves to only the characters that the 漢 people created, and we can further simplify it by limiting ourselves to only those characters used today.
    How many characters must someone learn to read any Chinese newspaper?
    That's the number I want to know.
    In Japan, there are 2,332 characters officially designated as essential for every day use. (常用漢字) Though my sources say that realistically most Japanese know about 3,000.
    Is this number the same in China?

  • @zw2al
    @zw2al Рік тому

    Only 15k views ??? How ?

  • @coreylau6811
    @coreylau6811 Рік тому +5

    For people who live in traditional characters environment, the simpified characters are unaesthetic. The strcture and balance of the characters are wrecked.

  • @tungmeiali1036
    @tungmeiali1036 3 місяці тому

    你忘了越南。越南从古代也用汉字(Hán tự or chữ Hán)。虽然越南的地欧是东南亚,但是我们国家和中国,韩国,朝鲜,台湾,日本 有相同的文化,甚至越南的文化是最像中国的。希望以后你们记得把越南放在东亚文化。越南语有许多汉越词,这些词以古代或者中代的汉语,发音像广东话:结婚( kết hôn),中国 (Trung Quốc),美国( Mĩ quốc,Hoan Kỳ or Mĩ),身(thân),同( đồng),速度(tốc độ),准备(chuẩn bị),离婚( li hôn),常(thường),古代(cổ đại),车(xe or xa),公共汽车( xe công cộng),卫生间( nhà vện sinh),电话(điện thoại),脑 (não),(tim or tâm)心, 房间(phòng),头(đầu),查(tra), 大使馆(đại sứ quán) 历史(lịch sử),物理学(vật lí),化学(hoá học),数学(toán học),体育学(thể dục),大学(đại học),银行(ngân hàng) 校长(hiệu trưởng),学生(học sinh),学(học),雪(tuyết),密(mật)什么的。另外,字喃 不是越南正式的字,大数的时间我们用汉字。我希望这些可以让你们对越南的理解越来越深

  • @wuzhishen
    @wuzhishen 9 місяців тому +2

    你封面那些汉字奇奇怪怪

  • @bleujane
    @bleujane 6 місяців тому

    Your voice sounds like organic chemistry tutor…?

  • @rai0206
    @rai0206 2 місяці тому

    サムネの漢字、これらだけなら出た峠、歩、雫、嵒、斈、辻、榊

  • @Yamauma-No.10
    @Yamauma-No.10 2 місяці тому

    Over 100,000
    in current Japan alone

  • @청솔향-g9u
    @청솔향-g9u 8 місяців тому +1

    Q:How Many Characters are there?
    A:How many characters do you want?

  • @asianfoodsvillage
    @asianfoodsvillage Місяць тому

    Why do not Vietnam?

  • @theoneandonlymr.d
    @theoneandonlymr.d 10 місяців тому

    13:28 what is this script?

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax Рік тому +1

    *logosyllabic (except in Japanese)

  • @Mi_Fa_Volare
    @Mi_Fa_Volare 10 місяців тому +2

    Why did you regard simplified Chinese? It is an atrocity and culture crime. It is not be put into consideration. 13:24 And they should be divided again. They do not belong together.

    • @angrybull2340
      @angrybull2340 9 місяців тому

      so how do u think of 新字体?

    • @Mi_Fa_Volare
      @Mi_Fa_Volare 9 місяців тому +1

      @angrybull2340 Shinjitai is fine and not comparable with simplified Chinese which is an atrocity. Shinjitai still looks normal unlike simplified Chinese.

    • @freakmoister
      @freakmoister 8 місяців тому

      @@Mi_Fa_Volare lol bigot

    • @Mi_Fa_Volare
      @Mi_Fa_Volare 8 місяців тому +1

      @@freakmoister Do you even know what this word means?

  • @darpmosh6601
    @darpmosh6601 10 місяців тому

    you forgot the Nv script. 女書。

  • @user-qy1gw9is4m
    @user-qy1gw9is4m 10 місяців тому

    i havent seen anything yet but the thumbnail made me immensely uncomfortable

    • @Supopyfy
      @Supopyfy Місяць тому


      他国の文字を尊重してください

  • @Ennocb
    @Ennocb 6 місяців тому

    How many characters are there? As many as you want. I can just make new ones whenever.

  • @masbroscraft
    @masbroscraft 4 місяці тому +3

    Script far out of time.

  • @elohime
    @elohime Рік тому

    you miss 女書

  • @TienNhat-to2if
    @TienNhat-to2if 28 днів тому

    Korean created 50+ new Chinese characters. Japanese created 100+ new Chinese characters. But Vietnamese created 5000+ new Chinese characters which is called "chu Nom"

    • @Christan_yui
      @Christan_yui 26 днів тому

      In 1700s the record is over 43

  • @sebastianrojas9884
    @sebastianrojas9884 3 місяці тому

    Vietnamese sounds a lot like Cantonese