I’m so glad you did this, as I’ve been wondering about a tray board for a while now. Wow, you’ve really shown that if you have the technique to get planning and stand up, it is the foil that’s more important than the board! Thx again 🤙
I too ride a similar small volume board like the Axis tray. A word of caution when downwinding, start and stay close to shore. Although I have zero issue getting going in calmer waters, the chop really affects these small minimal volume boards. On the PNG1010 I had no chance getting going once the battery % dropped to 50%, and it’s very hard to use the chop to get going as you run into the chop in front. No problem with the PNG1300 as it provides a lot of lift. I’m going to try a bigger board for downwinding and stick with the minimal board for calmer conditions.
I only use these super low volume boards for efoiling or flat water pumping with big foils. Like you pointed out, I find they limit the size foil you can use and reduce the battery duration to much for other applications. I’ve recently done a video explaining why I now use slightly larger boards with FD, especially for downwinding: ua-cam.com/video/xe-uKHJPlio/v-deo.html
Thank you again for pushing the limits and showing what's possible. I agree on conclusion that going so small might not benefit on waves and reduce the battery life. Did you try Art 1099 with it?
Yes. Fairly easy getting up on foil with the 1099 but definitely used up the battery quicker because you have to accelerate for longer as it needs a faster speed before it will take off
I am thinking if you did the dolphin kick which unweights your chest off the board, that pump motion really gives you extra acceleration. I have been learning that technique and I do it each time I pop up.
Very nice, would you be able to do this with the new gen2 foil drive? My concern is that with gen 2 and a super low volume board you would sink the unit a lot before getting any speed, will the higher power remote be able to get the signal through all that water in the initial phase?
I'm riding the 40l fd+ , box mounted all the way front. I go from knee to pop up. Seems like the box in your position would be in the way of my knees. I find as you go faster before youre able to popup your weight or knees have to inch further forward. So the box in the middle would definitely get in the way. Curious to see how you're doing this technique without your foot kicking the box off
I have never had a problem with the box being in the way of my knees in this position, in fact by putting the box directly next to my front foot my knees will always be directly behind the box by an inch or 2 for me to be perfectly balanced on the board during the pop-up. I suppose it depends where you like to kneel during your pop-up, but it works perfectly for me. If I were to kneel any further forwards on the board I think I would be totally off balance and cause the nose of the board to go underwater.
Amazing!!!!!!!! it looked impossible....taking about the 1010, I am winging a lot, and going between my PNG1300 for 9 knots and my ART999 for 14+ knot days. I am thinking on getting the PNG1010 for the 11/12 knots days where for me the 999 is too hard and the 1300 is not too confortable (I am still strugling a little to gybe )...do you think it would be a good choice? the PNG950b would be another possibility and the black fuse would be a plus for me, thanks bro!
The ART1099 would fit in really well and it would have the same performance characteristics as the 999. The 1010 would also work and is a great foil, but is best suited for surfing rather than winging as its not very fast. If you're already used to the 999 then the 1010 will feel very slow to you. Another alternative would be the HPS1050. It's better suited for winging than the PNG1010 as it's faster, but not as fast as the ART1099. The 1050 is a very easy to use foil but will be very close to the 1300 in its performance range. If you like the 999 and want a foil that you can use in a few less knots then my advice would be to get the 1099. The 910b is too close to the 999 in terms of the conditions you would use it in.
Without footstrap inserts I don't think it's possible to use the mounting plate which the grunt strap threads through, however you can buy stick on inserts from NSP which I have heard work well. On my Appletree pro v2 prone board I don't have inserts so I just cut out a piece of deck pad and stuck the dual lock tape to the board - I was worried that it wouldn't be secure but judging by how difficult it is to pull off the board it seems to be a lot stronger than I thought. I have pictures of the Appletree pro v2 (green and black) showing the dual lock tape on my Instagram
30 - 40ltrs makes a bit of difference, but not to the point that you'll pump twice as far/long. Impossible to assign an accurate value, but at a guess I would say maybe 10% easier, but that is mostly due to the weight rather than the volume
On a small board if the box is too far towards the back of the board it goes underwater and you lose connection with the wireless remote. Also it gets in the way. On a big board there's usually no problem having the box behind your back foot
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks for the reply. Just went out for the first time. It definitely takes some getting used to. Need to figure out the right setup for flat water pump and surf boat wakes. Thinking the Axis art 1099 or png 1310.
@@jeremyalmeda5307 wow these are both totally different foils. Personally I don't like the 1310 for riding boat wakes. It's just not maneuverable enough. The 1099 is awesome for small wakes and is great for transitions such as pumping from wake to wake or around the boat. For purely flat water pumping the 1099 is quite difficult to sustain because it needs to be kept going quite fast or it will stall. The 1150, 1300 or 1310 are all great for flat water pumping/dock starting. I really love the 1150 and 1300 for tiny wakes (2nd to the 5th wake boat). The 1099 works well on the 1st to the 3rd wake of my boat, but it totally depends on the size wake that you're boat produces
I have ridden the 1050 a lot, for winging and with FoilDrive. I agree that it's a great compromise between the 1010 and the 1099, so obviously there are pros and cons. Compared to the 1010 it's faster but doesn't turn as well and isn't as easy to pump. Compared to the 1099 it has a lower stall speed and it's generally an easier/less technical ride, but isn't as fast and doesn't have as good glide. Like you said, the 1050 is a great compromise between the two
@@apricotscrub yes, mostly to allow the battery to last longer, as such a low volume board takes more battery power to get on foil, but also because I can use smaller foils with a slightly higher volume board
Would you recommend the normal foil drive or the newer plus for this kind of setup? I am also thinking of this on my mid size prone for downwind safety its about 36ltr. I how long was the cable setup you purchased on this?
You can do it with the assist but the assist plus is better. Definitely worth the extra cost as it doesn't lose power as the battery drains like the original assist and you have the option of small medium or large batteries. The small battery is a significant weight saving and you don't need the large for downwinding. Maybe a small and a medium or two small so you can use together or separately
@@jjjay1977 yes I got 180cm but I would always advise getting the max length of 2m just in case you want to use it on a different board. Any excess can easily be coiled up behind the battery box and it doesn't get in the way
This video is super helpful. I’ve just started foildrive on 60L but going to move to 33L soon. One question is on my 60L when I shut off the motor and go to pump I just seem to nose dive the board every time and can’t work out why. Any tips? I can pump a foil both winging and prone surf fine, but with the drive I go to pump and down it goes.
You need to shift your weight backwards as you release the throttle trigger. If you think about it, when you turn off the motor you are no longer getting the thrust from the motor which is essentially pushing the foil forward AND, more importantly UP. That is why the noise dives when you switch it off. To prevent the nose from diving you either need to shift your centre of balance back by moving your hips and upper body so more weight is over your back foot, or you can shift your feet back as you release the trigger, either your front foot only or both, whatever you find best. Personally I do a little ollie as i release the trigger which really helps as well
@@dominichoskyns9091 makes sense thanks. I definitely notice a significant amount more front foot when using the drive. Always harder to move front foot back back as boards always lifting. I’ve done the Ollie but have zero push from the foil as I come back down ie it just dives - admittedly it’s a 1080 wave foil. I’ll try a significant move back in feet however
I’m so glad you did this, as I’ve been wondering about a tray board for a while now. Wow, you’ve really shown that if you have the technique to get planning and stand up, it is the foil that’s more important than the board! Thx again 🤙
Interesting video - good to see someone else foiling in Muscat
Wow, that is impressive! I was thinking no way is he going to get in the air.
I too ride a similar small volume board like the Axis tray. A word of caution when downwinding, start and stay close to shore. Although I have zero issue getting going in calmer waters, the chop really affects these small minimal volume boards.
On the PNG1010 I had no chance getting going once the battery % dropped to 50%, and it’s very hard to use the chop to get going as you run into the chop in front.
No problem with the PNG1300 as it provides a lot of lift.
I’m going to try a bigger board for downwinding and stick with the minimal board for calmer conditions.
I only use these super low volume boards for efoiling or flat water pumping with big foils. Like you pointed out, I find they limit the size foil you can use and reduce the battery duration to much for other applications. I’ve recently done a video explaining why I now use slightly larger boards with FD, especially for downwinding: ua-cam.com/video/xe-uKHJPlio/v-deo.html
Self Tow foiling ! Would love that! 👏😯🏄♂️
Thank you again for pushing the limits and showing what's possible. I agree on conclusion that going so small might not benefit on waves and reduce the battery life. Did you try Art 1099 with it?
Yes. Fairly easy getting up on foil with the 1099 but definitely used up the battery quicker because you have to accelerate for longer as it needs a faster speed before it will take off
I am thinking if you did the dolphin kick which unweights your chest off the board, that pump motion really gives you extra acceleration. I have been learning that technique and I do it each time I pop up.
Very nice, would you be able to do this with the new gen2 foil drive? My concern is that with gen 2 and a super low volume board you would sink the unit a lot before getting any speed, will the higher power remote be able to get the signal through all that water in the initial phase?
I'm riding the 40l fd+ , box mounted all the way front. I go from knee to pop up. Seems like the box in your position would be in the way of my knees. I find as you go faster before youre able to popup your weight or knees have to inch further forward. So the box in the middle would definitely get in the way. Curious to see how you're doing this technique without your foot kicking the box off
I have never had a problem with the box being in the way of my knees in this position, in fact by putting the box directly next to my front foot my knees will always be directly behind the box by an inch or 2 for me to be perfectly balanced on the board during the pop-up. I suppose it depends where you like to kneel during your pop-up, but it works perfectly for me. If I were to kneel any further forwards on the board I think I would be totally off balance and cause the nose of the board to go underwater.
Amazing!!!!!!!! it looked impossible....taking about the 1010, I am winging a lot, and going between my PNG1300 for 9 knots and my ART999 for 14+ knot days. I am thinking on getting the PNG1010 for the 11/12 knots days where for me the 999 is too hard and the 1300 is not too confortable (I am still strugling a little to gybe )...do you think it would be a good choice? the PNG950b would be another possibility and the black fuse would be a plus for me, thanks bro!
The ART1099 would fit in really well and it would have the same performance characteristics as the 999. The 1010 would also work and is a great foil, but is best suited for surfing rather than winging as its not very fast. If you're already used to the 999 then the 1010 will feel very slow to you. Another alternative would be the HPS1050. It's better suited for winging than the PNG1010 as it's faster, but not as fast as the ART1099. The 1050 is a very easy to use foil but will be very close to the 1300 in its performance range. If you like the 999 and want a foil that you can use in a few less knots then my advice would be to get the 1099.
The 910b is too close to the 999 in terms of the conditions you would use it in.
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks for your wise advice amigo!
Another great video my man! What selfie stick are you using for go pro?
Interested to see your small battery trial
It's about 3ft long. I made it from a mop handle🤣
I got the FD+ and I want to install it with grunt straps in the front of my board, but I don't have a foot strap screw. How do I manage this?
Without footstrap inserts I don't think it's possible to use the mounting plate which the grunt strap threads through, however you can buy stick on inserts from NSP which I have heard work well. On my Appletree pro v2 prone board I don't have inserts so I just cut out a piece of deck pad and stuck the dual lock tape to the board - I was worried that it wouldn't be secure but judging by how difficult it is to pull off the board it seems to be a lot stronger than I thought. I have pictures of the Appletree pro v2 (green and black) showing the dual lock tape on my Instagram
Curious about how much % longer you can flatwater pump on this board vs the 30-40l board. Using the same foil
30 - 40ltrs makes a bit of difference, but not to the point that you'll pump twice as far/long. Impossible to assign an accurate value, but at a guess I would say maybe 10% easier, but that is mostly due to the weight rather than the volume
Have you tried mounting the battery in the middle or slightly in front of your back foot on a small board? How about a big one?
On a small board if the box is too far towards the back of the board it goes underwater and you lose connection with the wireless remote. Also it gets in the way.
On a big board there's usually no problem having the box behind your back foot
@@dominichoskyns9091 thanks for the reply. Just went out for the first time. It definitely takes some getting used to. Need to figure out the right setup for flat water pump and surf boat wakes. Thinking the Axis art 1099 or png 1310.
@@jeremyalmeda5307 wow these are both totally different foils. Personally I don't like the 1310 for riding boat wakes. It's just not maneuverable enough. The 1099 is awesome for small wakes and is great for transitions such as pumping from wake to wake or around the boat. For purely flat water pumping the 1099 is quite difficult to sustain because it needs to be kept going quite fast or it will stall. The 1150, 1300 or 1310 are all great for flat water pumping/dock starting. I really love the 1150 and 1300 for tiny wakes (2nd to the 5th wake boat). The 1099 works well on the 1st to the 3rd wake of my boat, but it totally depends on the size wake that you're boat produces
@@dominichoskyns9091 yeah that sounds about right. Thanks for your input.
Can you also compare HPS1050. IMO compromise between 1010 and 1099. Thanks
I have ridden the 1050 a lot, for winging and with FoilDrive. I agree that it's a great compromise between the 1010 and the 1099, so obviously there are pros and cons. Compared to the 1010 it's faster but doesn't turn as well and isn't as easy to pump. Compared to the 1099 it has a lower stall speed and it's generally an easier/less technical ride, but isn't as fast and doesn't have as good glide. Like you said, the 1050 is a great compromise between the two
Well done looks good. Where did u mount the 360 cam??
I'm holding it on a home made pole
Are you still using this board foil driving or are you using something like 30 to 40 litre primarily
I use it for flat water efoiling and pumping practice, but for downwinding and surfing I use either my 29ltr or 37ltr boards
@@dominichoskyns9091 for a more optimal battery correct?
@@apricotscrub yes, mostly to allow the battery to last longer, as such a low volume board takes more battery power to get on foil, but also because I can use smaller foils with a slightly higher volume board
Have you tried to make a tow boogie with the foil drive?
Great idea👍👍👍. I might give this a try. Thanks for the suggestion👌
Would you recommend the normal foil drive or the newer plus for this kind of setup? I am also thinking of this on my mid size prone for downwind safety its about 36ltr. I how long was the cable setup you purchased on this?
You can do it with the assist but the assist plus is better. Definitely worth the extra cost as it doesn't lose power as the battery drains like the original assist and you have the option of small medium or large batteries. The small battery is a significant weight saving and you don't need the large for downwinding. Maybe a small and a medium or two small so you can use together or separately
@@dominichoskyns9091 thx, hey did you also need to order a custom cable length for the mount setup next to your front foot?
@@jjjay1977 yes I got 180cm but I would always advise getting the max length of 2m just in case you want to use it on a different board. Any excess can easily be coiled up behind the battery box and it doesn't get in the way
This video is super helpful. I’ve just started foildrive on 60L but going to move to 33L soon. One question is on my 60L when I shut off the motor and go to pump I just seem to nose dive the board every time and can’t work out why. Any tips? I can pump a foil both winging and prone surf fine, but with the drive I go to pump and down it goes.
You need to shift your weight backwards as you release the throttle trigger. If you think about it, when you turn off the motor you are no longer getting the thrust from the motor which is essentially pushing the foil forward AND, more importantly UP. That is why the noise dives when you switch it off. To prevent the nose from diving you either need to shift your centre of balance back by moving your hips and upper body so more weight is over your back foot, or you can shift your feet back as you release the trigger, either your front foot only or both, whatever you find best. Personally I do a little ollie as i release the trigger which really helps as well
@@dominichoskyns9091 makes sense thanks. I definitely notice a significant amount more front foot when using the drive. Always harder to move front foot back back as boards always lifting. I’ve done the Ollie but have zero push from the foil as I come back down ie it just dives - admittedly it’s a 1080 wave foil. I’ll try a significant move back in feet however
When starting were your thighs right over the prop??