@Aierek ya, same with bass players. If our technique isn't healthy, we could end up with physical trauma and bone fusions due to bad technique. Look it up, it can be gruesome.
This scene is everything I love about film, its expertly filmed and written. This movie isn't about music at its core (while its a very effective backdrop) it's about obsession and how it can consume us. Andrew's arc from being a casual drummer, to an obsessive drummer is fully realized in this scene, as he overcomes his fear of fletcher, and presumably will go onto being one of the best musicians, and in that fletcher achieves what he always wanted, his own Charlie Parker, someone to finally standup after being taunted and bullied and give an amazing solo, just as Andrew did. Andrew's father's face showing his pain knowing he's lost his son, and he doesn't know him like he thought he did (great acting here btw). Also, looking symbolically, Andrew starts the film in a white t-shirt portraying his innocence, and ends in the black dress shirt, symbolizing his dark fall to obsession (something cool i just noticed rewatching it). To me, this movie is the best of the 21st century that I've seen, and an instant classic.
For me obsession is not the right word, but commitment. Andrew never really understood what it took to be one of the greats. He thought he knew and was prepared but crashed and burned. It wasn't until he was willing to give up everything else that he realized that the one thing holding him back was that relentless commitment to greatness. The verbal abuse, the leaving of his girlfriend the trading of everything else were all required for greatness and it was not until that moment they he fully gave himself over to what was necessary for that greatness. He must forsake all others for his drumming. Obsession is an uncontrollable compulsion. He needed to make the mental choice which is why I like the word commitment instead.
Interesting response and analysis. I guess I was not precise in using the word obsession. I meant more along the lines of a consuming passion that pushed Andrew to give up everything for. I do like the word commitment, and I think it fits nicely. In his lust for greatness, it does push Andrew to be fully committed to his passion. The definition of commitment is to restrict personal freedom for something, and in this case, Andrew restricts everything else in his life in order to pursue becoming one of the greats. Thanks for the response!
@@TheTwentySevenClub it wasnt about fletcher approval. In the end Neiman's performance was to prove something to himself more so than proving it to anyone else. The ending isnt really happy but it is satisfying and almost feels like a great redemption story
Yeah... that moment is almost unperceptible... but it's very strong...Like he's finally approving him... right at that point. Like saying with his eyes: "Yeah yeah yeah... that's what I wanted!!!"
I could be wrong, but I gotta feeling that scene was completely improvised, like when JK Simmons slapped Miles Teller, that was improvised, & if I am right about this, that just makes the movie even better.
BM if you look closely you can see that fletcher says good job to him. The two words that fletcher said were the most dangerous words in the English language.
@@TheOnlyBlancy Yes, it's what makes the camera work that much more great in this movie, and I didn't even realize it until a second watch. You can see him smile but you can also see his cheeks moving like he is mouthing something and the way Andrew smiles after that makes that much more sense. He finally got his "good job".
2:04 I love his dads expression when he realizes what his son has become in his journey for greatness. He doesn't look proud, but almost sad/concerned because he doesn't even recognize the person he's seeing
I don't think thats it, his face reflects fear and immense guilt and sadness cause he just lot his son,cause Neiman is gonna die in his 30s due to drug overdose and his father doesn't predict that but remember that dinner scene and andrew reached his goal, he became the absolute best of the best bu with a cost ie his life
I can only assume you guys aren't dads. The hug he gave at the door was compassion and he wanted to bring his son home. The reality is that he didn't really know his son or the obsession or the talent, but he loves him all the same. The look in his dad's face at the door was a look of complete awe and realisation at what his son had become, and the strength of character and determination it took to go back out there.
I think it's definitely both - more like the realization that sometimes true excellence takes insane amounts of sacrifice, sometimes even sacrificing yourself - and that his son had made his choice long ago. disappointment, pride, sorrow, and realization, all in a look.
It really looks like the father seems horrified. That was an expression of awe and horror at the same time. He probably doesn't even recognize his son.
Kasino80 you know what's funny about paul reiser? the entire season 2 of Stranger Things i never trusted his character purely because of Burke in Aliens lol
this is by far the saddest part of the movie. The look on his fathers face that he truly has lost his son forever. The director even said that after this movie he always pictured the kid as killing himself falling down a hole of heroin and suicide and music.
Colin Campbell It was one of those "Okay, get ready. Here we go." wipes. He also may have been drooling a little from the dessert Andrew was "whipping" up. 😋😁
@@prodigalbrock It's only sad to people who do not understand what it means to achieve greatness. Happiness and sadness are completely irrelevant. Greatness is realized in this scene, and with it, respect.
@@metalmugen "Somewhat of a musician" would likely not have been exposed to some of the harshest sides of the community. My talent was barely middling, but even before I was 15 I was exposed to this side of the art, and it is as disturbing as it is grounded in reality.
@@guerin545 No. His dad, at that very moment, had just realized that he had lost his son to music. Andrew was never really the same after being taught by fletcher and it wasn’t until this Drum solo that Andrews father realized that he lost his son to fletcher and music.
@@jacobaparicio1812 Thats your interpretation but i disagree. The whole time his father saw him fail time and time again, this time he didnt. And saying he lost his son to music is strange, his son found his purpose in life, thats a great thing
The solo is part of the song. Have none of you actually heard Caravan before? I didn’t really understand when Fletcher didn’t know what was going on. Every Caravan has the drum solo
I love the shot of andrew's dad at 2:02. The look of absolute horror is haunting. Not to mention the symbolism of him only being able to see him through that crack. Andrew is slamming the door shut on his father, his life outside of music, everything. We're literally watching andrew crossing the point of no return. We get to watch a father slowly lose his son. This movie had such a breathtaking ending. Intensity, catharsis, passion, horror, all blended into one of the most stunning endings of all time. What a classic.
This part made me cry. Straight up. As someone who has bled and broken for his craft, there is absolutely no greater feeling in the world like igniting a fire in the eyes of your mentor.
Harrison It's easy to label someone as troll if they don't agree with your happy, bubblegum, rainbows and peaches view of the world. Sad. And you're right, there's absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing passion even if it doesn't work out, except that these creative types add nothing to the zeitgeist, add nothing to the economy, add nothing to society, add nothing to artistic merit, and will die without anyone even caring. But besides that, nothing's wrong.
Clint Flicker and many people go more practical routes that they aren't as interested in and don't find success either- I think its great to encourage people to pursue great things no matter how practical or useful to the economy they might be.
1. We never see the audience's reaction. That creates an interesting effect of anticipating it but not getting it 2. The relationship between Neiman and the conductor is twisted. Neiman sells his soul? 3. The horrified look on his dad's face makes me wonder if we sometimes sacrifice sanity for self-centered ambition
Yeah, you are right... but the beauty of this move is that it gets it, spot-on if you consider real life... Real-life is not a Hollywood movie... To put an example... Michael Jackson and their brothers were abused by their greedy father...It was awful... but...Who knows if there has being a Michael Jackson if not were for his father...Makes you think...
The moral of the story is that the best often have to lose their humanity to get to the top. We praise the visible success, but often neglect the emotional/psychological cost that comes with reaching that level. The look his father gives him isn't a look of astonishment so much as it's a look of trepidation. He doesn't recognize his son anymore. It's meant to stir conflict. On one hand it's an incredible accomplishment, on the other it's a pyrrhic victory and should leave you feeling at least slightly uneasy.
I love how complicated the ending is, in terms of wins, losses, right and wrong. I think it's a movie about sacrifice, at it's core. Sacrifice of yourself, and, in the case of the mentor, sacrifice of his students.
2:01 Probably the most important shot of the film. The contrast between this shot and 4:38 really represents how divided people feel about the ending. You either see it as a victorious end through Fletcher's eyes, or a sad one through his worried father.
I dont get the worried father bit . Remember the dinner table scene when the other 2 are bragging how great they are and Andrews just a drummer . It's in his father's face when he realises for the first time that his son has more talent in his little finger than the other 2 put together
@@michaelmarshall9132 no xd, neiman killshimself later, that's why his father is so worried about; Whisplash is'nt a film of a personal triumph like Rocky. it's a tragedy.
It’s almost painfully intense how everything that has happened earlier in the movie eventually culminates in that last stare in the eyes between Andrew and Fletcher. A: ”Was it good enough? God damn was it FINALLY good enough for you, Mr. Professor..?!” F: ”... ... ...yeah, Andrew. THAT was good enough.” I can’t think of many movie moments more intense than that.
@@ricarleite not a happy one, in that the bad guy essentially wins, but a successful one. It begs us to ask the question, is happiness required for success?
It's not even about happiness. It's about getting a chair thrown at your head, it's about saying fuck you. You can be a little bitch and expect life to hand you your wins, or like neiman did, turn around from having his future prospects and passion in life absolutely destroyed and say nah man not today, fuck you.
It also paved the path of self destruction to leave a legacy behind. Both the actor who played Nieman and the director have said that they see Andrew dying in his mid 30s being the 'best there ever was'. If it was any other way, it wouldn't of been enough for Andrew. In the time he didn't play the drums, he was living the life he feared of living. A boring life of; go to work, go home, sleep, repeat. Behind the kit is where Andrew truly shines and is alive. Sort of the same how Walter White of breaking bad was 'alive' when being Heisenberg. It's a sacrifice in becoming the best, and leaving behind a legacy for people to speak on forever. It's interesting to think that in order to be the absolute best of anything, there is definite self destruction involved. Think of the greats of everything that ever was. Most of them lived sad, fast, lonely lives.
Alex Mercer i march tenor, and play drumset in my spare time. I have also seen drumset players and DCI set players play faster and harder than this and they have never started bleeding. Thats absurd
stanfoo it’s actually not. Though bleeding isn’t a every time thing, but t happens. I’ve played drums for over 13 years and can say I’ve bled on my set a handful of times caused by accidentally cracking my knuckles/fingers on the rim of the snare busting my skin open. Also, blisters tearing or a cracked stick catches you. Even a cracked cymbal can snag you during a choke. It’s not an every time thing but it definitely happens
It's interesting because this is actually a sad ending. Fletcher got the musician he wanted, Andrew became the musician he wanted to be, but in the end, Andrew lost himself in drumming. He gave up everything. He ended up alone. Just one scene prior he calls the girl he dumped because he wanted to concentrate in drumming to find out that she's already found a new boyfriend. His father watching him from the lobby, is actually an important plot element. He accompanied him to the show just so that his son can get a final shot, and at some point, when Andrew is about to leave with him, he finds peace in his son failing. But now, watching his son play, his face is not reflecting surprise, or even pride. His eyes show fear and suffering. He lost. His son is now no more. And now, as both the director and the actor said, Andrew will live a pretty short and lonely life and die young because of drugs and alcohol. Just like Andrew said in that scene where he talks to his family at the dinner table.
It's only a sad ending from your perspective. Andrew said himself he would rather be a legend and burn out than live comfortably and be a nobody. "Andrew will live a pretty short and lonely life and die young because of drugs and alcohol", that is exactly what Andrew wanted. To him it is his dream.
(*here) Thank you for giving me this accolade. I came to comment on what a predictable and futile film this is. The 'Wizard of Oz' illustrates far better acting, and some of that was script-read.
RelativeBadger basically you have nothing better to do? You look for a movie clip from a movie you don’t even like, just to comment on how bad it was? That’s pretty sad man, I didn’t like Suicide Squad but I’m not over there commenting “ah trash movie never again, so predictable”
Isaac Nevarez Everyone has a right to an opinion dumbass. You are one of those people who say "if you don't like the video why did you click on it"? Well yeah he clicked on it to say he didn't like the movie, even though he is probably trolling But your argument is FALSE
The drumming is exceptional. Miles Teller (actor) gives it everything he has. He has taken over the stage and J. k. Simmons. I am totally impressed by this ending, because he is the best!
Really love the scene of Andrew looking for Fletcher's approval. At this point it wasn't just about him wanting to be the best drummer. He unknowingly wanted to be Fletcher's best. Fletcher broke him down completely with his emotional abuse so he could finally have his own Charlie Parker. And Andrew complied with it, because he didn't even realize the extent of damage Fletcher caused in his mind. The abuser won. The new Charlie Parker was born. And Andrew's dad realized that his son was lost.
God Damn, it's that moment when your fear, hate, love, live, family, job, who you are and who you'll never be just disappears and it is you and you are it....
I still can't believe he let that absolute BEAUTY slip away from him over this. Left me with a pit in my stomach when the credits rolled. We're taught from a young age to always strive to be the very best at what we do, but this film challenges that idea and forces the audience to consider just how much you have to sacrifice in order to reach that point. Incredible movie, easily one of the best films that I've seen in the recent era!
@Spartan : I understand the context of this scene, and because of that, I cannot share your joyful sentiments. This is like watching the movie "Crossroads", only in this version, the good guy joyfully betrays both himself and Blind Dog by making a deal of his own with Old Scratch at the Crossroads for greatness, and then proceeds to conclude the movie by sharing an epic, face-melting guitar solo with Jack Butler while gladly accepting the fate of burning in Hell. That's pretty much what this scene is. Its psychological equivalent, at any rate. Only its drums instead of guitars and it's Fletcher instead of the devil.
As a drummer, I’ve bled so many times just to keep on playing for my director. It’s a huge amount of pain after but when you’re playing your brain is extremely over occupied to even acknowledge it. I love playing drums but it’s probably the worst part.
Me Harper good way to put it. Been busy, hurt, tired, and sweaty many times in the military but you’re so occupied you forget all that pain and exhaustion and just keep doing your job.
Amazing scene.Truly underrated.Fletcher could've ended the performance at the beginning, but saw the passion, skill, and drive that Neiman was displaying and said Lets turn this into something more than what it already was.And then when Andrew slowed down to just simple drum taps, he drives him to keep it all going.Shows that Fletcher had a change of heart after what had just happened(watch the movie and you'll know).Fletcher really wanted and saw the best in Andrew and got every bit of his soul in this.Incredibly underrated scene.
+Mikey Lewis well in my opinion(we all get one) he didnt have a change of heart, he still screwed him over and would again, but he loves music, good music, good talent, he wouldnt give a shit if Neiman died, but he gives a shit about Neimans outstanding performance. I dont believe Fletcher changed, but his love of good music trumps all else..... scene gives me chills every single time
+Tom Morse that's the beauty of open interpretations in movies.There isn't for the most part a correct view.Thats another interesting viewpoint for this scene.Very much possible.
Lmao what?? Edit: Just don’t get how that’s the “greatest” product placement of all time. Like what? You think Istanbul all of a sudden started selling way more cymbals after this film?
I love love love the "I'll cue you" moment. Where it's revealed it's not from just defiance, spite, but taking control of the rhythm and making something spectacular together.
that shot at 2:04 is one of my favorites. you would expect a "yup thats my boy. good job son" but it's more of a "wtf?!? that's MY boy????" bewildered surprised cut
Every time when it shows his Dad watching from behind the curtains, it brings a tear to my eye. He supported his Son though all those years, with everyone’s criticism & I bet even he himself slightly doubted a little, but when he sees what his Son is really about, it always gets me.
'I'm Dancing Inside' or 'Blow' - It depends on my mood, I guess - but this is highly over-acted, and simply not realistic at all. It is a desperate attempt that easily fails due to its predictability and soft script.
A lot of comments about his father being horrified. But for me it’s sheer awe and recognition that his son truly will be one of the greats just like he said he would be.
Best movie of that year. I’ve watched this movie like almost a hundred times and I can’t get bored of J.K Simmons performance. And being a drummer my self it wasn’t easy for me to master Caravan which is one of the first piece they played in the movie. Only some of the best percussionists in all of jazz band have been able to master that like Buddy Rich who even stopped the band on live tv and started from the beginning. I love how they explored music and percussion in this film and it is absolutely one of my favorite films to date.
I play bass and alto for jazz and trust me it’s definitely one of the hardest jazz pieces that a band could whip out for most instruments, it’s crazy I’m glad you got it down tho
I just went to the 10th anniversary re release at the theatre. This was the major thing I noticed, how flawless and unique the ending of this movie is. Virtually no dialogue, just eyes, hands, and raw emotion lead us to the credits…brilliant!
3:50 to 4:10 Best part of this performance and quite possibly the whole movie for me. Those 20 seconds give me fucking chills everytime. Once that bass hits, I cant even describe it. Lol
This scene had be in trance watching it. One of the absolute best, if not even the best endings / scenes I've ever seen. Incredible. Bumped this movie from a 9 to a 10 for me.
Watched this movie 2 days ago, and it's simply one of the best films I have ever seen. It does so much with so little. i've watched this scene three times in the past two days, It's one of the most incredible things I've seen. This film is a masterpiece
Partly because he's such a wild and unpredictable character, but also look at the fucking intensity in his face. Shit, that bastard could be paying me the nicest compliments and I'd still be putting my guard up in case he started throwing punches...
The shot of Reiser at 2:03 is the most important shot in this entire sequence and reflects that this moment is so much more complex than "Andrew kicks ass and shows Fletcher what's up"
This scene was so nerve racking because it reminds you of when Andrew fucked up after the car accident. When the drumming is slow, the music fades you start to think "oh no not again" But then he turns it around and performs an orgasm inducing solo. This scene alone was one of the best I've ever seen in any film.
Before watching this movie I was a metal drummer, used to play death metal and prog, but after watching this I became obsessed with jazz and started to learn jazz drumming, and holy damn it's a whole new experience in drumming
2:03 his look was really saddening because he seemed to me as if he wasn't able to recognise his own son anymore. This short sequence has a very strong effect on the whole scene...
+Gregory Zala I would disagree with that interpretation, I think not being a musician he didn't really understand his son's talent, much like at the dinner table scene his family didn't get what a big deal his achievements were. The look to me represents his epiphany. OH SHIT! My son is great!
+Gregory Zala I find more saddening the fact that Andrew does not enjoy playing anymore. Look at 1:20; Fletcher's ruthlessness and Andrew's own stubborness turned him into a machine. He does not even hear his own music anymore. He is perfect, but he is unable to enjoy what he does unless Fletcher approves of it. I see that exchange of smiles at the end like "Was that good, Mr. Fletcher" and "Oh my god, I have Buddy Rich of my own creation. Yes you did good."
+Gregory Zala It feels like he's put aside his emotions to achieve greatness at his craft, just like the above fella said, a little bit like one of the main themes of Full Metal Jacket, funnily enough.
I think people miss that about this movie. There is an overarching theme that "nobody listens to jazz anymore" and "no one understands what we're doing" but they are pursuing this ideal of perfection and killing themselves and each other to achieve it. So when they both get to this breakthrough scene, his father is unsettled by it because it doesn't connect with him. It's not a happy face he makes. And the big kicker, there is no applause at the end. The song ends and the movie ends. Done. It isn't about the audience, it isn't about creating art for an audience, it's completely about personal achievement for both of them which (in my mind) misses the point of making art in the first place. I compare the ending to Napoleon Dynamite which is opposite in every way - Napoleon's weird dancing is finally a way for him to connect to people and communicate his true self, completely gawky and weird but somehow beautiful as well, and of course he gets a standing ovation. Meanwhile, Andrew's own father watches him through a crack in the door making a solemn face. Andrew is finally cut off from even his own father by his obsession with drumming.
The look his father has - the look that shows him finally grasping who Andrew is - what his core is about. His comforting father role was not what Andrew needed to be the artistic genius. He needed to be on a boat without a paddle - he needed to hurt, suffer, and come to desire it for something higher than wanting please Fletcher or some prove-myself goal. It had to be about being lost in the art and fuse it with his talent and skills. This movie is a freaking masterpiece. True excellence.
The look was of a father realizing that he was losing his done to Fletcher. What makes the film so great is that in the end, the villain won and yet it was beautiful.
Nah man, he is distinguishing himself. Remember Fletcher said that industry musicians, band directors etc. would be there? The man was pulling away to gain his own place in the musical world.
Well Fletcher told him they were playing Whiplash when they were playing something else basically embarrassing him in front of everyone. This is just fair play.
Well, that's why he acted like he was directing him, because he had to save face and not let the audience know that the extra bit at the end wasn't planned.
@@pellejobatera exactly! No teacher is going to "guide" you through a drum solo. Plus, this is like a John Bonham solo in a jazz setting. This doesn't happen.
Im no drummer but I appriciate what I hear. Simply amazing! For those who say its just noise I'm sorry for you for not appriciating this and missing out the feels.
He won’t be able to hold a pencil for the next year
At least
Aierek Joey jordison
@Aierek ya, same with bass players. If our technique isn't healthy, we could end up with physical trauma and bone fusions due to bad technique. Look it up, it can be gruesome.
Musicians are athletes.
@@mysteriousmemethief it ain’t no joke yo, I remember my first year with upright bass...when I sat back pain!!!!
This whole thing would've been a lot easier if Andrew had just given Fletcher some pictures of Spider-Man.
Lol true😂😂
This was a drum solo about spiderman.
funniest remark of the day :D
I want Spiderman and you give me......Buddy Rich?
Hope they're not fake
This scene is everything I love about film, its expertly filmed and written. This movie isn't about music at its core (while its a very effective backdrop) it's about obsession and how it can consume us. Andrew's arc from being a casual drummer, to an obsessive drummer is fully realized in this scene, as he overcomes his fear of fletcher, and presumably will go onto being one of the best musicians, and in that fletcher achieves what he always wanted, his own Charlie Parker, someone to finally standup after being taunted and bullied and give an amazing solo, just as Andrew did. Andrew's father's face showing his pain knowing he's lost his son, and he doesn't know him like he thought he did (great acting here btw). Also, looking symbolically, Andrew starts the film in a white t-shirt portraying his innocence, and ends in the black dress shirt, symbolizing his dark fall to obsession (something cool i just noticed rewatching it). To me, this movie is the best of the 21st century that I've seen, and an instant classic.
Incredibly said. Kudos to you my friend. 👏🏼
For me obsession is not the right word, but commitment. Andrew never really understood what it took to be one of the greats. He thought he knew and was prepared but crashed and burned. It wasn't until he was willing to give up everything else that he realized that the one thing holding him back was that relentless commitment to greatness. The verbal abuse, the leaving of his girlfriend the trading of everything else were all required for greatness and it was not until that moment they he fully gave himself over to what was necessary for that greatness. He must forsake all others for his drumming. Obsession is an uncontrollable compulsion. He needed to make the mental choice which is why I like the word commitment instead.
Interesting response and analysis. I guess I was not precise in using the word obsession. I meant more along the lines of a consuming passion that pushed Andrew to give up everything for. I do like the word commitment, and I think it fits nicely. In his lust for greatness, it does push Andrew to be fully committed to his passion. The definition of commitment is to restrict personal freedom for something, and in this case, Andrew restricts everything else in his life in order to pursue becoming one of the greats. Thanks for the response!
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One of the most earned moments in a movie is Fletchers nod at the end.
Never accept approval from an abuser,
@@TheTwentySevenClub welcome to the music program.
Should have lodged that stick in his trachea.
@@TheTwentySevenClub it wasnt about fletcher approval. In the end Neiman's performance was to prove something to himself more so than proving it to anyone else. The ending isnt really happy but it is satisfying and almost feels like a great redemption story
Mr. Bump 2.0 he says ‘good job’. I’m sure he does
2:20... When he fixes his cymbal gives me the chills everytime. That's when he realized he had his charlie parker.
Yes
Yeah... that moment is almost unperceptible... but it's very strong...Like he's finally approving him... right at that point. Like saying with his eyes: "Yeah yeah yeah... that's what I wanted!!!"
THAT NOD HELL YEAH
Tears fill up my eyes every time for some reason at that part.
I could be wrong, but I gotta feeling that scene was completely improvised, like when JK Simmons slapped Miles Teller, that was improvised, & if I am right about this, that just makes the movie even better.
Literally no one:
The rest of the bands’ sheet music:
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@Bilal Khalid There are entire symphonies where it's one guy's job to hit a triangle a single time. One job.
I played Bari saxophone in Big Band. I have this feeling all the time 😂
toptrump14 please tell me u counted that
for a cymbal player in an orchestra, yeah
the movie is that he didn't get the music, so this drum solo was out of nowhere
The way the smile isnt shown on screen.... beautiful.
BM if you look closely you can see that fletcher says good job to him. The two words that fletcher said were the most dangerous words in the English language.
Love that shot
@@joefayant6143 wait... he says good job?
@@TheOnlyBlancy Yes, it's what makes the camera work that much more great in this movie, and I didn't even realize it until a second watch. You can see him smile but you can also see his cheeks moving like he is mouthing something and the way Andrew smiles after that makes that much more sense. He finally got his "good job".
@@xtiggyx just rewatched the clip. thats CLEVER!!
This scene has more sweat and banging than a Brazzer's video
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***** Depends on what you're into
2:04 I love his dads expression when he realizes what his son has become in his journey for greatness. He doesn't look proud, but almost sad/concerned because he doesn't even recognize the person he's seeing
I don't think thats it, his face reflects fear and immense guilt and sadness cause he just lot his son,cause Neiman is gonna die in his 30s due to drug overdose and his father doesn't predict that but remember that dinner scene and andrew reached his goal, he became the absolute best of the best bu with a cost ie his life
Yeah, his dad is a f*cking loser in this movie
Hahahaha at last someone hits the nail - like what type of dad wouldn’t be stoked on his son becoming a living legend???
I can only assume you guys aren't dads. The hug he gave at the door was compassion and he wanted to bring his son home. The reality is that he didn't really know his son or the obsession or the talent, but he loves him all the same. The look in his dad's face at the door was a look of complete awe and realisation at what his son had become, and the strength of character and determination it took to go back out there.
@@mikeflannery7905 yeah i dont need to be a dad to know how cool that would be.. it be your kid being the next marty friedman.
The single most powerful moment is his father’s face peaking in, he clearly never realized how talented and dedicated his son was till that moment.
More like he realized that his son was truly a monster and that he can't be stopped. Fletcher changed him permanently.
Why not both?
I think it's definitely both - more like the realization that sometimes true excellence takes insane amounts of sacrifice, sometimes even sacrificing yourself - and that his son had made his choice long ago. disappointment, pride, sorrow, and realization, all in a look.
One of my favorite scenes in cinema. His father realizing that his son is more than just a "drummer".
It really looks like the father seems horrified. That was an expression of awe and horror at the same time. He probably doesn't even recognize his son.
Best part for me was the look on his dads face, he realized his son is a freak!!
totally, and he realises that he doesn't understand his son at all. Paul Reiser was really good in this as well.
In the movie script it says that andrew is a machine and that andrew’s dad lost him.
Kasino80 you know what's funny about paul reiser? the entire season 2 of Stranger Things i never trusted his character purely because of Burke in Aliens lol
@@weston407 me neither :)
Freak n da sheets
It's so delicious to see Fletcher put on a truly pleased face only at the end of the movie.
SneakingMOUSE It kinda feels weird to me. To see a usually toxic man smile at you.
this is by far the saddest part of the movie. The look on his fathers face that he truly has lost his son forever. The director even said that after this movie he always pictured the kid as killing himself falling down a hole of heroin and suicide and music.
SneakingMOUSE
Speaking of his face, why did he wipe it at one point?
Colin Campbell It was one of those "Okay, get ready. Here we go." wipes. He also may have been drooling a little from the dessert Andrew was "whipping" up. 😋😁
@@prodigalbrock It's only sad to people who do not understand what it means to achieve greatness. Happiness and sadness are completely irrelevant. Greatness is realized in this scene, and with it, respect.
even the cymbals are sweating dam
4 o' clock
Time for my Daily dose of semi truck
+Ian Asibey The whole place was sweating , the sweating was sweating
Even the devil had to dry himself off a bit
dam right you'll need a dam to hold all the sweat back
Ian Asibey 😂
This was like Rocky for musicians
Not really tho, as somewhat of a musician this movie wasn't inspiring to me, it distrubed me more than anything.
@@metalmugen I wasnt asking you
@@themuchdingdong Well don't fucking comment if you can't handle replies then, especially when you can just ignore them.
@@metalmugen "Somewhat of a musician" would likely not have been exposed to some of the harshest sides of the community. My talent was barely middling, but even before I was 15 I was exposed to this side of the art, and it is as disturbing as it is grounded in reality.
@@themuchdingdong LOL FUCKING SAVAGE
After he says "what are you doing man" you can see the respect in his eyes. Such great acting.
For me the fact he says "What are you doing man" like hes talking to his buddy is what did it for me
That’s when he started viewing Andrew as an equal. He called him Andrew, not Neiman.
Andrews dad looks in horror
Andrews teachers smiles with a wicked grin, he had made his monster.
Fletcher won at end of the day, he got what he always wanted... His own genius student.
Nah, that's pride on a different level. That's when you know your son is destined for greatness, that he's gonna bring honour to YOUR name.
I think the dad was more amazed at what his son was doing
@@guerin545 No. His dad, at that very moment, had just realized that he had lost his son to music. Andrew was never really the same after being taught by fletcher and it wasn’t until this Drum solo that Andrews father realized that he lost his son to fletcher and music.
@@jacobaparicio1812 Thats your interpretation but i disagree. The whole time his father saw him fail time and time again, this time he didnt. And saying he lost his son to music is strange, his son found his purpose in life, thats a great thing
Rest of the band: can we have solos?
the bone solo was tight
no need
If they wanted it they should have taken it like he did
The solo is part of the song. Have none of you actually heard Caravan before? I didn’t really understand when Fletcher didn’t know what was going on. Every Caravan has the drum solo
When I play drums and I have to do a solo, I get so nervous and stuff up so how do I improve
I love the shot of andrew's dad at 2:02. The look of absolute horror is haunting. Not to mention the symbolism of him only being able to see him through that crack. Andrew is slamming the door shut on his father, his life outside of music, everything. We're literally watching andrew crossing the point of no return. We get to watch a father slowly lose his son.
This movie had such a breathtaking ending. Intensity, catharsis, passion, horror, all blended into one of the most stunning endings of all time. What a classic.
I think the look on his face is amazement. Realizing his son is on a whole different level. It’s fatherly pride.
@@mikey65dean No. lol. you somehow missed the entire point of the movie
This part made me cry. Straight up.
As someone who has bled and broken for his craft, there is absolutely no greater feeling in the world like igniting a fire in the eyes of your mentor.
+Clint Flicker there is no need to be so rude, dude
Harrison somebody should give the OP some truth or else he'd never realize he dedicated his life to absolutely nothing
Clint Flicker I get that you're a troll, but there ain't nothing wrong with pursuing passion, even if it doesn't work out.
Harrison It's easy to label someone as troll if they don't agree with your happy, bubblegum, rainbows and peaches view of the world. Sad. And you're right, there's absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing passion even if it doesn't work out, except that these creative types add nothing to the zeitgeist, add nothing to the economy, add nothing to society, add nothing to artistic merit, and will die without anyone even caring. But besides that, nothing's wrong.
Clint Flicker and many people go more practical routes that they aren't as interested in and don't find success either- I think its great to encourage people to pursue great things no matter how practical or useful to the economy they might be.
"I'm here for a good time, not a long time"
- A very talented pianist I met who died of cancer at the age of 18
rip unknown pianist
cancer sucks.
hardest quote I've ever read. RIP.
Very sad. RIP to them.
Quote goes hard. RIP
Think this one is gonna stick for me
Band teachers: Woops, forgot to start the recording.
1. We never see the audience's reaction. That creates an interesting effect of anticipating it but not getting it
2. The relationship between Neiman and the conductor is twisted. Neiman sells his soul?
3. The horrified look on his dad's face makes me wonder if we sometimes sacrifice sanity for self-centered ambition
Fletcher was the father figure
I feel like you guys are right on
What if WE are the audience . . .
Yeah, you are right... but the beauty of this move is that it gets it, spot-on if you consider real life... Real-life is not a Hollywood movie... To put an example... Michael Jackson and their brothers were abused by their greedy father...It was awful... but...Who knows if there has being a Michael Jackson if not were for his father...Makes you think...
^english teachers
The moral of the story is that the best often have to lose their humanity to get to the top. We praise the visible success, but often neglect the emotional/psychological cost that comes with reaching that level. The look his father gives him isn't a look of astonishment so much as it's a look of trepidation. He doesn't recognize his son anymore. It's meant to stir conflict. On one hand it's an incredible accomplishment, on the other it's a pyrrhic victory and should leave you feeling at least slightly uneasy.
If you think there isn't humanity in greatness then you are too low to see it. The passion for the exalted is one of the most human things there is.
I love how complicated the ending is, in terms of wins, losses, right and wrong. I think it's a movie about sacrifice, at it's core. Sacrifice of yourself, and, in the case of the mentor, sacrifice of his students.
About time someone found the true meaning of the end insted of it being about sunshine and rainbows
You just ripped this off of an actual critic's review...
Phyrric? no, Neiman hopefully considers it worthwhile. Damn taxing, that's for sure.
2:01 Probably the most important shot of the film. The contrast between this shot and 4:38 really represents how divided people feel about the ending.
You either see it as a victorious end through Fletcher's eyes, or a sad one through his worried father.
leonthesleepy beg to differ. Pop finally understands why drumming is important to his son. I saw a dropped jaw!
@@robertwhitcomb6105 haha u could inteprete it that way too!! Thats why i love this film so much. So many different ways to see the ending :)
What if they're both
I dont get the worried father bit . Remember the dinner table scene when the other 2 are bragging how great they are and Andrews just a drummer . It's in his father's face when he realises for the first time that his son has more talent in his little finger than the other 2 put together
@@michaelmarshall9132 no xd, neiman killshimself later, that's why his father is so worried about; Whisplash is'nt a film of a personal triumph like Rocky. it's a tragedy.
It’s almost painfully intense how everything that has happened earlier in the movie eventually culminates in that last stare in the eyes between Andrew and Fletcher.
A: ”Was it good enough? God damn was it FINALLY good enough for you, Mr. Professor..?!”
F: ”... ... ...yeah, Andrew. THAT was good enough.”
I can’t think of many movie moments more intense than that.
sellisti I always think that he finally said “good job “
The director of the film and the actors have stated, it is NOT a happy ending.
@@ricarleite not a happy one, in that the bad guy essentially wins, but a successful one. It begs us to ask the question, is happiness required for success?
It's not even about happiness. It's about getting a chair thrown at your head, it's about saying fuck you. You can be a little bitch and expect life to hand you your wins, or like neiman did, turn around from having his future prospects and passion in life absolutely destroyed and say nah man not today, fuck you.
It also paved the path of self destruction to leave a legacy behind. Both the actor who played Nieman and the director have said that they see Andrew dying in his mid 30s being the 'best there ever was'. If it was any other way, it wouldn't of been enough for Andrew. In the time he didn't play the drums, he was living the life he feared of living. A boring life of; go to work, go home, sleep, repeat. Behind the kit is where Andrew truly shines and is alive. Sort of the same how Walter White of breaking bad was 'alive' when being Heisenberg. It's a sacrifice in becoming the best, and leaving behind a legacy for people to speak on forever.
It's interesting to think that in order to be the absolute best of anything, there is definite self destruction involved. Think of the greats of everything that ever was. Most of them lived sad, fast, lonely lives.
When he lifts the cymbal back up dammmn that gives me chills. You know what they are both feeling in this scene, you can feel all the emotions.
A great teacher
This film is an instant Classic and a prime example of everything movie should be.
Director and the team nailed it.
The moment when their eyes met and when Fletcher approved it just killed me.
He agreed, he realised...
Such evil...
You can't hear pictures.
4:40
Rarely has the term "blood, sweat and tears" been more pertinent
FrizFroz well none of that happens when you play drums so not really
stanfoo obviously you have never played drums then
@@stanfoo1175 This guy drums to White Stripes songs
Alex Mercer i march tenor, and play drumset in my spare time. I have also seen drumset players and DCI set players play faster and harder than this and they have never started bleeding. Thats absurd
stanfoo it’s actually not. Though bleeding isn’t a every time thing, but t happens. I’ve played drums for over 13 years and can say I’ve bled on my set a handful of times caused by accidentally cracking my knuckles/fingers on the rim of the snare busting my skin open. Also, blisters tearing or a cracked stick catches you. Even a cracked cymbal can snag you during a choke. It’s not an every time thing but it definitely happens
It's interesting because this is actually a sad ending. Fletcher got the musician he wanted, Andrew became the musician he wanted to be, but in the end, Andrew lost himself in drumming. He gave up everything. He ended up alone. Just one scene prior he calls the girl he dumped because he wanted to concentrate in drumming to find out that she's already found a new boyfriend. His father watching him from the lobby, is actually an important plot element. He accompanied him to the show just so that his son can get a final shot, and at some point, when Andrew is about to leave with him, he finds peace in his son failing. But now, watching his son play, his face is not reflecting surprise, or even pride. His eyes show fear and suffering. He lost. His son is now no more. And now, as both the director and the actor said, Andrew will live a pretty short and lonely life and die young because of drugs and alcohol. Just like Andrew said in that scene where he talks to his family at the dinner table.
lucasdelaguila1202 and that is sad how?
Jesus fucking christ, aren't you a ray of sunshine?
It's only a sad ending from your perspective. Andrew said himself he would rather be a legend and burn out than live comfortably and be a nobody. "Andrew will live a pretty short and lonely life and die young because of drugs and alcohol", that is exactly what Andrew wanted. To him it is his dream.
I wouldn't call it sad, but this guy gets it.
Elvis died on the shitter but didn’t give a crap, he is the king of pop, nobody can forget him.
I had the privilege of watching this movie recently. I had no idea a drum solo could reach into your soul. I was amazed.
I could literally feel my heart pounding and was gasping for breathe while watching this seen. Outstanding film making.
+Michaelbak you may want to get that checked by a doctor
Same! Such intense moments in this movie
naah, if ur musician you'll get, whats actually going on.
GHX man Stfu
*scene
"And THIS ... is to go ... even further beyond!"
{cue Super Saiyan 3 theme}
Plus ultra!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
a great ending to a great movie.
Shite ending to an even worse film than Gladiator.
RelativeBadger then why are you hear? You act like you're this amazing critic by talking trash about this movie.
(*here) Thank you for giving me this accolade. I came to comment on what a predictable and futile film this is. The 'Wizard of Oz' illustrates far better acting, and some of that was script-read.
RelativeBadger basically you have nothing better to do? You look for a movie clip from a movie you don’t even like, just to comment on how bad it was? That’s pretty sad man, I didn’t like Suicide Squad but I’m not over there commenting “ah trash movie never again, so predictable”
Isaac Nevarez Everyone has a right to an opinion dumbass. You are one of those people who say "if you don't like the video why did you click on it"? Well yeah he clicked on it to say he didn't like the movie, even though he is probably trolling
But your argument is FALSE
This is what a great movie is all about. WOW what a scene
The drumming is exceptional. Miles Teller (actor) gives it everything he has. He has taken over the stage and J. k. Simmons. I am totally impressed by this ending, because he is the best!
The double bass player just watching the whole thing like “calm down bro”
I GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS!!
haha
What a good reference
PHARAOH WANKA Gotta love Travis Barker, huh
Oscar Sovngarde Travis Barker? The OC was referencing Ringo Starr.
Sam Bell My god, no one speaks sarcasm anymore
Really love the scene of Andrew looking for Fletcher's approval.
At this point it wasn't just about him wanting to be the best drummer. He unknowingly wanted to be Fletcher's best. Fletcher broke him down completely with his emotional abuse so he could finally have his own Charlie Parker. And Andrew complied with it, because he didn't even realize the extent of damage Fletcher caused in his mind.
The abuser won. The new Charlie Parker was born. And Andrew's dad realized that his son was lost.
God Damn, it's that moment when your fear, hate, love, live, family, job, who you are and who you'll never be just disappears and it is you and you are it....
very underrated comment. nail on the head, the fucker just about transcended time and space!
Nice
exactly
One of the darkest endings to a film I’ve ever seen. I loved every second of it.
I still can't believe he let that absolute BEAUTY slip away from him over this. Left me with a pit in my stomach when the credits rolled.
We're taught from a young age to always strive to be the very best at what we do, but this film challenges that idea and forces the audience to consider just how much you have to sacrifice in order to reach that point. Incredible movie, easily one of the best films that I've seen in the recent era!
One of the most powerful and inspirational scenes of all time.
This was the very solo that got me into Jazz.
@Spartan : I understand the context of this scene, and because of that, I cannot share your joyful sentiments. This is like watching the movie "Crossroads", only in this version, the good guy joyfully betrays both himself and Blind Dog by making a deal of his own with Old Scratch at the Crossroads for greatness, and then proceeds to conclude the movie by sharing an epic, face-melting guitar solo with Jack Butler while gladly accepting the fate of burning in Hell. That's pretty much what this scene is. Its psychological equivalent, at any rate. Only its drums instead of guitars and it's Fletcher instead of the devil.
Same
So... Ya like jazz?
I'm sorry, I couldn't control myself.
This was the solo that got me to jizz
Why cant i do that
As a drummer, I’ve bled so many times just to keep on playing for my director. It’s a huge amount of pain after but when you’re playing your brain is extremely over occupied to even acknowledge it. I love playing drums but it’s probably the worst part.
Me Harper good way to put it. Been busy, hurt, tired, and sweaty many times in the military but you’re so occupied you forget all that pain and exhaustion and just keep doing your job.
I played the alto sax for like two years now and many times have bled from my mouth to the tips of fingers just to get a good sound
how does the bleeding happen? like chafing from the sticks or getting cut on the cymbals?
Dusty your skin can’t take it it’s almost like extremely fast bruising but it just tears off your skin
I play sousaphone and I have honestly been through so much pain, but I got used to it in about 2 or 3 months
Amazing scene.Truly underrated.Fletcher could've ended the performance at the beginning, but saw the passion, skill, and drive that Neiman was displaying and said Lets turn this into something more than what it already was.And then when Andrew slowed down to just simple drum taps, he drives him to keep it all going.Shows that Fletcher had a change of heart after what had just happened(watch the movie and you'll know).Fletcher really wanted and saw the best in Andrew and got every bit of his soul in this.Incredibly underrated scene.
+hatihatikawan wow you just use grammar bad... congrats then?
***** lol what
+hatihatikawan Just appreciating good filmmaking fam.
+Mikey Lewis well in my opinion(we all get one) he didnt have a change of heart, he still screwed him over and would again, but he loves music, good music, good talent, he wouldnt give a shit if Neiman died, but he gives a shit about Neimans outstanding performance. I dont believe Fletcher changed, but his love of good music trumps all else.....
scene gives me chills every single time
+Tom Morse that's the beauty of open interpretations in movies.There isn't for the most part a correct view.Thats another interesting viewpoint for this scene.Very much possible.
2:17 the greatest sly product placement I’ve ever seen
I don’t even think that’s really product placement maybe it is but it just shows how hard he’s playing
Lmao what??
Edit: Just don’t get how that’s the “greatest” product placement of all time. Like what? You think Istanbul all of a sudden started selling way more cymbals after this film?
Product placement can give the world realism when it is done right.
@@jeffw8218 i mean its not like people bought a bunch of jeep rubicons because of Lara Crift, product placement is more about prestige i suppose.
What about the film Torque?
I love love love the "I'll cue you" moment. Where it's revealed it's not from just defiance, spite, but taking control of the rhythm and making something spectacular together.
that shot at 2:04 is one of my favorites. you would expect a "yup thats my boy. good job son" but it's more of a "wtf?!? that's MY boy????" bewildered surprised cut
No, that scene shows where he finds out he lost his son. If you dont understand watch the dinner table scene and you'll figure it out
Fucking inspiring scene.
+Kine Phile I agree Mr. Chigurh.
John Lennon such a legendary album tbh. led zep 2 was my second favorite of theirs
Led Zeppelin II is badass, indeed!
obsession, filmography and psychology aside. can we take a moment and enjoy one of the greatest solos ever put in a motion picture
The shot of the Dad looking through the door absolutely broke me. He finally saw how incredible his son was
More like how incredibly lost he was to his craft.
Uhhhh… the dad was concerned for his son. The worry in his face. To contrast with the pride from JK Simmons..
I see it as more his dad's thinking "My god what has he become?"
Lmao pretentious as fuck. Only people think this about music. Not sports, not anything other than forms of art. 😂😂
I agree - it was a look of awe
I'M UPSET!!!
I have to agree. Best movie ending in decades. Goosebumps.
One of the best movies of all-time!
calm down
NoirDesir8 oh shit you're a critic
worse, probably a rotten tomatoes critic.
Dreadful film - predictable and very badly-acted
Nope. Best movie of all time is: 'Eşkiya "The Bandit" (1996)' ;)
When I first saw this, it was the most powerful moment I've ever seen in any movie about anything. This scene gave me chills all the way through
Every time when it shows his Dad watching from behind the curtains, it brings a tear to my eye. He supported his Son though all those years, with everyone’s criticism & I bet even he himself slightly doubted a little, but when he sees what his Son is really about, it always gets me.
i love this ending but i swear to god it also makes me want to faint out of stress
LOOOVE THIS MOVIE
00:36 When he says - *I'll #U## U *
Terrible film - completely over-acted and as predictable as Scooby-Doo
Night Rider dr
RelativeBadger uhm whats your favorite movie?
'I'm Dancing Inside' or 'Blow' - It depends on my mood, I guess - but this is highly over-acted, and simply not realistic at all. It is a desperate attempt that easily fails due to its predictability and soft script.
Rest of band: *looks at sheet music* "ay, theres like 5 blank pages"
Fletcher: "Yeah, just sit there and do *not shit* for a couple hundred measures"
Best ending of a movie ever.
Never thought I’d watch (and enjoy) 5 minutes of drumming.
A lot of comments about his father being horrified. But for me it’s sheer awe and recognition that his son truly will be one of the greats just like he said he would be.
4:10 that awkward moment when the kick drum starts sounding like a helicopter
People that identify as an APACHE: This nigga spittin'
Best movie of that year. I’ve watched this movie like almost a hundred times
and I can’t get bored of J.K Simmons performance. And being a drummer my self it wasn’t easy for me to master Caravan which is one of the first piece they played in the movie. Only some of the best percussionists in all of jazz band have been able to master that like Buddy Rich who even stopped the band on live tv and started from the beginning. I love how they explored music and percussion in this film and it is absolutely one of my favorite films to date.
I play bass and alto for jazz and trust me it’s definitely one of the hardest jazz pieces that a band could whip out for most instruments, it’s crazy I’m glad you got it down tho
I just went to the 10th anniversary re release at the theatre. This was the major thing I noticed, how flawless and unique the ending of this movie is. Virtually no dialogue, just eyes, hands, and raw emotion lead us to the credits…brilliant!
3:50 to 4:10 Best part of this performance and quite possibly the whole movie for me. Those 20 seconds give me fucking chills everytime. Once that bass hits, I cant even describe it. Lol
absolutely incredible finale to a fantastic movie!
Chris Kindler glory mu
GGMU
This scene had be in trance watching it. One of the absolute best, if not even the best endings / scenes I've ever seen. Incredible. Bumped this movie from a 9 to a 10 for me.
I love how the snare part in this gives off this hypnotic vibe, like your brain is slowing down with the tempo.
Perfect movie for valentines day. Two lunatics discover their passion and love for one another through music.
+cooljunkproductions Terrible for Valentine's Day. Guy has to ditch the girl in order to achieve greatness.
Guy has to throw chair at girl during intercourse because according to him, "Not quite my tempo".
Guy literally almost kills himself jesus fucking christ
Laughed hard when I read this oh and loud.
cooljunkproductions No
Watched this movie 2 days ago, and it's simply one of the best films I have ever seen. It does so much with so little. i've watched this scene three times in the past two days, It's one of the most incredible things I've seen. This film is a masterpiece
4:38 this bit sends chills all through my body
i thought he was gonna throw a chair at him at the end😂
Jadon garcia Followed by Curb Your Enthusiasm theme
Not like he didn’t deserve it
*NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO*
Mr. Snarky RUSSIAN OR DRAGON?!!!
Partly because he's such a wild and unpredictable character, but also look at the fucking intensity in his face.
Shit, that bastard could be paying me the nicest compliments and I'd still be putting my guard up in case he started throwing punches...
One of the greatest movie endings of all time
The shot of Reiser at 2:03 is the most important shot in this entire sequence and reflects that this moment is so much more complex than "Andrew kicks ass and shows Fletcher what's up"
Agreed- the most powerful shot in the sequence....
Completely agree. It's an amazing reaction shot and the scene would definitely be lesser without it.
This scene was so nerve racking because it reminds you of when Andrew fucked up after the car accident. When the drumming is slow, the music fades you start to think "oh no not again" But then he turns it around and performs an orgasm inducing solo. This scene alone was one of the best I've ever seen in any film.
The look Andrews dad gave through the door was the most genuine look of astonishment and awe I've ever seen in a movie.
Not quite my tempo.
But rushing or dragging ? ^^
are you upset?
who the hell are you?
Start counting!
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Before watching this movie I was a metal drummer, used to play death metal and prog, but after watching this I became obsessed with jazz and started to learn jazz drumming, and holy damn it's a whole new experience in drumming
This is the build up to the finale. The character. and emotional build-up is what made this into a masterpiece that will stand the test of time
We are farmers. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum!!!
2:03 his look was really saddening because he seemed to me as if he wasn't able to recognise his own son anymore. This short sequence has a very strong effect on the whole scene...
+Gregory Zala I would disagree with that interpretation, I think not being a musician he didn't really understand his son's talent, much like at the dinner table scene his family didn't get what a big deal his achievements were. The look to me represents his epiphany. OH SHIT! My son is great!
+Gregory Zala I find more saddening the fact that Andrew does not enjoy playing anymore. Look at 1:20; Fletcher's ruthlessness and Andrew's own stubborness turned him into a machine. He does not even hear his own music anymore. He is perfect, but he is unable to enjoy what he does unless Fletcher approves of it. I see that exchange of smiles at the end like "Was that good, Mr. Fletcher" and "Oh my god, I have Buddy Rich of my own creation. Yes you did good."
+Andrea Ortega nice interpretation, didn't thought of it that way
+Gregory Zala It feels like he's put aside his emotions to achieve greatness at his craft, just like the above fella said, a little bit like one of the main themes of Full Metal Jacket, funnily enough.
I think people miss that about this movie. There is an overarching theme that "nobody listens to jazz anymore" and "no one understands what we're doing" but they are pursuing this ideal of perfection and killing themselves and each other to achieve it. So when they both get to this breakthrough scene, his father is unsettled by it because it doesn't connect with him. It's not a happy face he makes. And the big kicker, there is no applause at the end. The song ends and the movie ends. Done. It isn't about the audience, it isn't about creating art for an audience, it's completely about personal achievement for both of them which (in my mind) misses the point of making art in the first place. I compare the ending to Napoleon Dynamite which is opposite in every way - Napoleon's weird dancing is finally a way for him to connect to people and communicate his true self, completely gawky and weird but somehow beautiful as well, and of course he gets a standing ovation. Meanwhile, Andrew's own father watches him through a crack in the door making a solemn face. Andrew is finally cut off from even his own father by his obsession with drumming.
To think that a person would have to be able to memorize this.
I’m pretty sure he just improvised it,
@@werewolfhide19 👁👄👁
There's a video of a guy who recreated this
This has got to be one of the most powerful scenes I've ever seen in any movie and the movie as a whole is just incredible!
This film made me start drumming with traditional grip
Mine was That thing you do ua-cam.com/video/nKRewnv4rnw/v-deo.html
The acting in this film is phenomenal. That look on the father's face though, a perfect blend of awe and horror.
What a good movie and scene. This scene is a motive . I keep repeating it on a daily basis.
Abdullah Hindi scene****
No cowbell tho
Rammy MOAR COWBELL
Hahah nice profile pic
Rammy sigh... the solo was almost perfect...
A cowbell and double kick would be this even better
Not impressed either
The look his father has - the look that shows him finally grasping who Andrew is - what his core is about. His comforting father role was not what Andrew needed to be the artistic genius. He needed to be on a boat without a paddle - he needed to hurt, suffer, and come to desire it for something higher than wanting please Fletcher or some prove-myself goal. It had to be about being lost in the art and fuse it with his talent and skills. This movie is a freaking masterpiece. True excellence.
The look was of a father realizing that he was losing his done to Fletcher. What makes the film so great is that in the end, the villain won and yet it was beautiful.
fricken master piece man......this movie had me stunned
At the end fletcher smiles ar him and nods thinking"your gonna be sharing a packed lunch with me after this"
Nah man, he is distinguishing himself. Remember Fletcher said that industry musicians, band directors etc. would be there? The man was pulling away to gain his own place in the musical world.
Lucky Rocket nah its like "we gonna get some hoes we gon fuck tonight" lmaooooo
Everyone there must be like: "That was awesome, but like, what the fuck did we just watch?"
PhantomKitten
That's what I'm thinking
The theme is simple, to be a genius, you need to be crazy, and only then will you achieve greatness
Andrew has deliberately sabotaged fletchers concert
He made it better
Well Fletcher told him they were playing Whiplash when they were playing something else basically embarrassing him in front of everyone. This is just fair play.
Well, that's why he acted like he was directing him, because he had to save face and not let the audience know that the extra bit at the end wasn't planned.
Andrew counter-sabotaged Fletcher’s attempt at sabotaging his performance.
This is to drummers what flashy Japanese anime is to epileptics.
Totally agree. I was starting to think no drummers were making comments on this video.
I love me some jazz drumming so I gotta disagree. This was pure art.
I disagree as well this was gorgeous
True that.
@@pellejobatera exactly! No teacher is going to "guide" you through a drum solo. Plus, this is like a John Bonham solo in a jazz setting. This doesn't happen.
His father’s expression slowly changing to horror when realizing what his son has sacrificed in order to get to this point. Hits hard man.
Im no drummer but I appriciate what I hear. Simply amazing! For those who say its just noise I'm sorry for you for not appriciating this and missing out the feels.
"Whats the tempo"
*"cocaine"*
Lol 😂
This is probably one of the greatest movies of all time.
Still gives me goosebumps every time!
- travis scott
I eat the heinz