Ivar tells Bjorn to change their strategy - Vikings 4x19
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This is why Ivar's so dangerous as a leader. He's not locked into any one tactic or strategy. He looks at the situation and figures out how best to win based on that, not tradition.
He uses dynamic and flexible tactics as opposed to maintaining military doctrine or tradition.
Only a cripple would understand
yes, he was very much like ragnar. compared to bjorn
Well first the viking army is put into their strengths, now they are able to. Like how Roman General and consul Caesar have fought many battles and learned his mistakes and those of the enemies. He was one of romes finest generals during that age.
He is good at tactics but he is an awful leader. It takes more than a sense of tactic to be a King. But if he just would a warlord the saxons would be more fucked
I love how always Ivar shuts Sigurd's mouth lol
Ivar was always masterful at getting Sigurd to spill his guts.
🤦♂️
This aged well
Then he permanently shut his mouth
Sigurd is a bitch, every time brame his brother for being a cripy, like his have a choice to not be.
Viking logic: if it works, it is a good plan; it if does not work it is a bad plan. Spread the wisdom :p
Björn's logic.
That's also the definition and difference between being brave and being stupid.
I feel like they left it a little open ended if the battle is a draw?!
well it is pretty simple either it work or it dont haha
And the saxons think in the other way? 😂 if it doesn't work it's a bad plan, it means the same thing and most of us think in that way. You're just trying to sound smart but it's true, so why do you even mention it? It only makes you look narrow minded and hooked up on details that are completely irrelevant.
"If it works it is a good plan, if it doesn't, that is a bad plan" - Bjorn Ironside
I love how Ivar talks to his other brothers so rudly but to Bjorn she shows respects and call him brother
He needed to manipulate Bjorn that's why. By getting Bjorn to agree to his battle plan it puts him at the top of the pack once they win. He saw Bjorn was worried and took advantage.
@@shahidulkhan9566 Björn didn't need manipulation, He knew that Ivar was unpredictable therefore he figured that Ivar's battle plan was much more interesting than their usual tactics. Also he is warrior I think he could tell Ivar was a great strategist so he listened to him as a good and responsible brother does.
@@gustaf3811 In a way, Bjorn heard his father when Ivar was explaining the idea of using the terrain to their advantage and stretching the battlefield. That's exactly something Ragnar would propose and Bjorn respected that from Ivar hence why he agreed to go along with the plan.
No longer just raiders, Ivar is becoming a true battle field commander of his day.
Yes he has
@@cassiusfelix2805 but he is a cripple how is he smarter and better tatcions than Bjorn 😠😠
@@chetanraikar7055 when it comes to strat no one is close to ivar
@@chetanraikar7055 Stephen Hawking was a cripple and was one of the smartest ppl to live...
Being disabled does not stop you from doing anything...
Kinda pathetic comment
I dont think Ivar is better at tactics than Bjorn, he lost many times and he held cruel castle defence to win, burn people alive who live in this castle too.
Bjorn let Ivar change tactics to see how its good, a talker, they both know they have quiet beef for long time (check it), just Bjorns now knows what Ivar is capable and how he thinks.
Good tactician stays good, the smartest one i leading this world, it cant be the dumbest im sure.
Imagine they worked together as one. They would rule the world.
You are so right!!!!!
Just like Sima brothers conquering a dynasty then all of china
It wouldn't happen because Bjorn would just be the warrior and Bjorn wants to be a ruler.
nah then who would lead them? no great army has ever led by 5 leaders in history. If all of them followed Ivar as the leader, maybe they even could have conquered Paris.
If I recall correctly IRL they did work together and most of them became kings before their deaths
I'd say
Bjorn has his father's strength and sense for adventure and exploring.
Ubbe has his father's love for his people, reasoning, need for peace and farming, and overall appearance.
Hvitserk I'm not too sure about he doesnt seem to share any of their father's charisma or leadership traits.
Sigurd most likely has his father's big mouth and trash talk skills.
Ivar has his father's intelligence but the heart of his mother and the ideals of Floki.
Hvitserk has Ragnar's penchant for madness...
Hvitserk has his father's genuine interest for other cultures
@@ambrosiacanelo9014 and for narcotics apparently
@@samuelhutahaean2537 oh god why would you make me laugh at something so horrible? 😂🤦♀️
Hvitserk has his father's drug addition traits lol
"Who are you to say that, shut your mouth" gets me every freakin time
Ivar: Ubba and Hvitserk intervene, regular tone answer, but making them know thay have basic minds
Bjorn intervenes and gives him the 1000 yard stare, respectful manner, explaining details, the only one he might consider an equal.
Sigurd intervenes: Shut your mouth lol
Ivar unpredictability is his biggest strength and weakness, he's not afraid of killing from a distance. Because most Vikings believed in the Shield Wall, but most Vikings doesn't have Calvary. Ivar just want to win, no matter how it looks.
Ivar planning the strategy make him genius
Bjorn listen to Ivar plan make him a great leader
"If it works, it is a good plan; it if does not work it is a bad plan."
Its not complicated at all you see.
But King Ecbert got tactical lessons from Roman texts.....probably a more qualified commander than Athelwolf.
chandragupta maurya ummm no Ivar would still out smart him Ecbert would have done the same thing as Athelwolf
@@MrJAMESTAKER how would you know he would have done the same thing???
@@MrJAMESTAKER its a show anyways, so the writers decide
@@chandraguptamaurya6594 Ivar is out of syllabus
in my opinion Ivar has Ragnar's intelligence. Bjron has Ragnar strength. The others eh.
I agree with you. BUT I do believe Ubbe has a bit of both. Hvitserk has some cunning and cruelty while Sigurd has... blonde hair.
Ubbe has his fathers love.
Sigurd is the misfit, it seems he doesn't fit. See his reaction to the blood eagle for example, his face said "this is horrible" whilst the others watched with pleasure. He doesn't have what it takes to be great, he has nothing from Ragnar either, he's just there.
I think Sigurd would've canceled the execution and made a deal for Aelle's riches.
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Ubbe has Ragnar's charisma.
The fact Bjorn was willing to listen so quickly makes him a special kind of leader
He was willing to listen because his only idea was to face them in one attack like they did with aella. He knew if he lost too many warriors against aetholwolf army they would not follow him after.
I think Bjorn knew there was a good chance they were going to lose if they fought them head on, which made him more open to a different strategy.
he witnessed Ragnar listen, I bet that changes a man
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I mean that is obviously set up by the producers but glad you managed to grasp that
Ubbe has Ragnar diplomacy skill
Ubbe is most like ragnar
When Bjorn said that about good plan/bad plan I heard Ragnar speaking through him.
And Ivar's re organizing idea was brilliant, can't wait to see if Aethelwulf gets blasted.
1:39 I died from laughing
😂😂😂
But why Ivar don't respect Sigurd 😂
Like he respects other brothers 🤔
I feel like the characters everyone favors are the ones with actual decent hair.
So Ivar,
This conversation is like any one smart kid on a football or baseball team, talking to his teammates and realized pretty soon, better just to keep quiet and do what I plan vs trying to make them understand.
Ivar' s slickback is dope and Ivar is right as proven later.👌🏾👌🏾
You gotta admit that Ivar has the brain, bjorn has the strength and ubbe has the courage and bravery
When they both worked together unbeatable
ivar rocks
ivar was a hero ,full of intelligence !
Sun tzu would have been impressed
My favorite show!!
2:25 no shit Sherlock.
ARCHER OF BRUTALITY BJÖRN IS A FUCKING GENIUS HERE RIGHT, LOL
+Alex Triggered Bjorn fanboy
Bjorn and ivar would be a deadly combo together. Too bad that ivar is crazy
If you really think about it Ivar wasn't crazy at first. His mother was killed by Lagertha. That completely justifies him wanting revenge. For some reason his brothers sided with her and just acted like Ivar was crazy instead if being mad at Lagertha. I do think the writers ruined his character this last season but I just saw an interview with the writer and he said that it will be hard to not love Ivar in season 6A. He becomes extremely sympathetic and is reborn. I guarantee after season 6A you'll be seeing a lot of people changing their opinions on Ivar. Hirst says he does a complete 180. I cant wait for season 6. 5B was not good in my opinion. We need a rebound.
Bjorn didn't want to be around Ivar. He saw him as a threat to his own fame. Spying on Ivar even before going to England and saw the connection between floki and Ivar.
@@shahidulkhan9566 and that was smart and providently behaviour from him.
@@HardTruthsReviews dude he bashed a kids head in when he was a kid. Ivar was always insane
@@HardTruthsReviews agreed. Lagertha was a bitch
Ivar looking like a Viking Elvis with that hair.
Ivar is the most legendary Viking there is. He was incredible. Ragnar taught him to use his head, like William Wallace
Use the terrain, use the enemy's strengths against them and attack unexpectedly. Straight from Sun Tzu the art of war
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Ivar 🔥🔥🔥
Ivar is a great tactical thinker
2:25 my sister and I made fun of that for weeks.
This is the kind of Ivar I like. Not the one who is so bent on revenge for his mother that he'd go after his brothers despite his odds.
This was Ivar just thinking ahead and making his own credibility with the Vikings.
This is what I have been waiting for Ivar shows what a genius he is in the form of strategy I love it now all the Bjorn fanboys can see this is how it should be Ivar is the greatest viking legend who ever lived and its time to show us why...
They both great, in the sagas Bjorn lived a long rich life as king of Sweden. Ivar tried to be king of all England until he died. The other brothers king of Ireland and Norway. Ragnaars sons all rulers.
I think Ivar did not try to be King of England at all, of course he plundered the Saxon kingdoms, but he left the saxons to your brothers Ubbe and Hvitserk. He died in Dublin, Ireland, he established a kingdom there. And England did not exist at the time, that word did not even exist; They only saw as Saxon realms. England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, there were none of these countries, only fragmented kingdoms.... sorry if I was not very clear, my English is not very good.
Me too! Ivar knows
Raregaminglol u do know that Bjorn was king longer than any other Viking outside of Rollo right and that's from the history books
Ye cause he failed and just stayed safe in kattegat till he died or Scandinavia where ever but he just did nothing so there wasn't opportunity for him to die dude lol
1:39 got me dying🤣🤣
Why Ivar don't respect Sigurd 😂 like he respects other brothers 🤔
@@chetanraikar7055 sigurd was always a bully to Ivar. Dude should’ve been better, at least he had his legs
The best moment of ivar & bjron. 😊
Very interesting actually, how all 5 sons’ main trait are all Ragnar’s traits, which would explain why they could never work together and get along. They’re all vessels of the same person, but all very different in many ways.
Bjorn: "I'm gonna ride that horse!"
Horse: "FML"
In normal combat 1vs1 Bjorn would utterly slaugher Ivar and even all his 4 brothers at once, but in battle army vs army as military commander i think Ivar would win against Bjorn.
You described a sergeant and a general
Ill give you this time to take it back cause Bjorn so outsmarted Ivar!!!
+Fairy Tail when
before ivar had to call his uncle to back him up cuz hed lose otherwise
@@fluidfnbr well truth be told, in that scenario, you see that Ivar still had a lot of forces left apart from the ones engaged with lagertha and co. Franks just expedited the process as his own army was tired and somewhat depleted from the wars in england.
Sigurd: *tries to speak*
Ivar: SHUT YOUR MOUTH
Surveying the land before engaging. Alexander is proud.
All Ragna's sons are great warriors in battle. Ivar was a great strategist, but he was crazy. Bjorn was a strong leader, and would have united Norway if he had lived. Ubbe was very underestimated, he was a diplomat, he could fight, and he wanted to explore the world like Ragna.
-Bjorn has his fathers strength and the love of discovering and exploring and is good as a leader like Ragnar
-Ivar has his fathers intelligence and strategies
-Ubbe has his fathers love for people and farming
-Hvitserk has his fathers drug addiction
-And Sigurd is just there lol
For some reason "Who are you to say that? Shut your mouth" made me laugh
what the say about IVar the Boneless that he was military strategy genious and he was pathologically cruel
lyanna lyanna congrats. He has those in spades if you look at him currently
This scene shows that like Ragnar, Ivar is willing to innovate and try out new things. His slick dark hair, clean shaven face and olive complexion give him more of a 1950's "greaser" look that strikes home the idea that he is not the usual Wagnerian stereotype of the Vikings, and the use of synthesizers in the sound track is slightly suggestive of classic 1980's SF films like Blade Runner or The Terminator rather than the more traditional music by Einar Selvik used throughout the earlier episodes. In short, "he has a mind made of metal and wheels" and if you get in his way Ivar will run you down. Hasta la vista, baby!
Bjorn and rest of the brutes: We lost 60% of our men, BUT WE STILL WON YAYYY
Ivar: What if I told you we could lose 5-10% of our men, and still win?
Bjorn and rest of brutes: If it works, it is a good plan, if it doesn't then it is a bad plan.
Wow Ivar looks damn good
WOW just like his dad
Yeah well he is son, lol.
Bjorn must’ve graduated at the top of his class
Sigurd looks like he's about to run through an airport to a Craig Armstrong track just to tell a girl he loves her.
That’s so detailed 💀💀
It's wild seeing that little history Channel logo
Ivar is a better strategist then his father because he has to be. He can't just fight his way out of his problems like his brother can.
No Ragnar had a better mind and 2nd to him is Ivar
Ubba has his sense of wonder .
Ivar the best war tactician.
I love Vikings v good
I love Ivar the Bonless maybe even more than Ragnar himself. I even named my newest kitten after Ivar.
Ivar is innately conscious of his weakness and lack of "manhood". He overcomes that by being crafty and thinking out of the box to get his way and it shows even in military planning
Here after the finale 🥺
This is how life is going to go back to
when my wife tells me to stop watching vikings clips and to get off youtube 1:39
Her response: 1:41
@@klaupasija you ruined the first comment. your comment makes no sense, even as a joke.
@@edofluit6568 it makes sense tho
@@klaupasija then explain it to me, how does the wife saying "we are brothers" make sense?
Cause the joke went over my head
@@edofluit6568 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest
Let's investigate the battlefield.
I like their accent
Ivar was always an asshole to Sigurd. It wasn't until re watching their exchanges I realize most of the time Ivar started it, Sigurd was just retaliating. Very good writing
Not to forget ivar was bullied and molested when he was much younger because he was crippled. Now he stood up for himself
@@yemidada9924 when was he molested?
@@micahmills5769 He was molested by Ube. Then lagurtha killed his mother and Ube sided with his mother killer because he got butthurt that Ivar became the leader of the great army even though it was his own fault..he humiliated himself and proved to be unfit for any leadership role, so the army didnt want him around..
@@dimel1347 When/how did Ubbe molest him? I don't remember that
Does anyone have the name of the soundtrack at the beginning? It always gets me fucking pumped.
Bjorn has ragnars strength
Ivar has ragnars intelligence
Sigurd has ragnars arrogance
Ubbe has ragnars dreams
Hvitserk has ragnars will to think for himself
To be honest - with Ragnar this show kind of lacked any real elasticity between characters. I love how it's evolved into the left and right sides of his brain with Ivar and Bjorn. It's almost like they bring more color to him that way. Bjorn has Ragnar's sense of perspective, ferocity (to a fault) and strength - which more often than not - don't blend together. And Ivar is cunning, brilliant and kind of greedy (to a fault). They are their father manifested in different ways. Where they share his greatness - is their ability to be open to risk and be open minded about the unusual.
I liked the Ragnar character but honest to goodness - the best thing they've done in this show was kill him off. The other actors have really stepped up. It's way more interesting right now. In a weird way - Ragnar almost feels like a 3-4 season prequel more than the main character of the story right now.
Hunter Golden people feel differently
Ivar have also ragnars rage
Hunter Golden ivar is also insane lmao
Actually, Ivar is completely sane, and perhaps the most logical and rational of Ragnar's sons....he's just immature and impulsive and needs to learn how to control his rage, or it will kill him.
Sarah Gray I understand that comment 100% and Most Of That is True But I don’t think U Can Watch S5 E3 And Watch Ivar And Say He’s Not Crazy. The dude is Off his Rocker Lol. He’s not 100% Insane at all but he has a Switch lol
I'm a Saxon. I'm also a Welsh, and Irish hunter. We drove these.
My Tackle is Saxon Knight rise Jaar. Bie lekker hunt and stand your ground.
Ivan proved to be a talented actor.
Too bad we never got to see Ivar & Bjorn’s little journey here. I’d bet there was some interesting conversation haha
Realized that this was the last time ivar and bjorn were on the same page/path…
Fucking annoying to me that the History Channel is trying to play like people in the past were stupid. "If we don't fight in a shield wall our warriors wont understand whats going on". Vikings had all the time in the world to practice fighting strategies and to think about fighting. They aren't on their phones all day long. Think it never occurred to a Viking to use the terrain to their advantage until Ivar thought of it? The Germanics had been using terrain to their advantage since way before Christ was born. Vikings were sea raiders, they were experts at surprise, and they were also often victims of surprise, they had to become experts at improvisation. They aren't going to be confused without fighting in a shield wall.
agreed !
also the lusitans kept the romans away from hispania by using guerrilla warfare to make up for the lack of men and it worked against the legions that the romans sent and this was also before christ
Well, I know 2 main Germanic/Viking strategies or battle tactics or battle formations:
1) Shieldwall (more defensive)
2) Svynfylking (Cuneus, Eberkopf, Caput Porcinum in Latin or Roman language, embolos in Greece language ) - offensive battle formation for attac with one or two or more triangles for breaking through the enemy lines or battle formation
But this indeed were the main battle formations, except for guerilla warfare and fighting from longships...
More complex battle tactis and logical-rational thinking and strategies and good discipline needed for it had in original (with origins in the Orient and northern Africa) from the peoples in Europe indeed only the Greece and Phoenicians (Carthaginians) and Persians. The Italic People like the old Etruscans and Romans then learned it from the mediterranean people like the Greece and Phoenicians or Carthaginians. The Romans especially learned from the Greek Logic and rational thinking and good discipline and more complex strategies (the Greek Phalanx and Alexander the Great, also see the Roman legion developing in fighting with the Greek and Carthaginians). Julius Ceasars legions indeed had the advantage of superior discipline and rational thinking, while the Celts like the German tribes were still able to fall in trance and become berserker. As the vikings still could do it, although these fighting machines lacked discipline and strategic thought then. As it could bee seen at the battle of Stamford bridge 1066. Ironically, the Normans then brought the chivalry and knighthood together with the French forward.
The advantage of the Christian states were:
1) Better weapons (Celtic and Roman art of metallurgy and weaponry) as the more civillized states.
2) Horses (you could not transport war horses so good on a viking longship - and you also would have had to feed them and so carry also their proviant with you ...!)...one reason why the Franks developed the Christian knights!
3) Often superior battle order and discipline, not with the same joy of fighting the vikings had, but with rational strategic thought and disciplined soldiers...and - in equal numbers - trained and disciplined soldiers can beat pure rage (at least most times). The metallurgy and weaponry had evolved and developed further since the Romans.
4) As the bigger and more populated and more civilized states the bigger numbers of soldiers and bigger armies.
In long terms this meant, civillization had to win against the wild viking hordes. Pure statistics, numbers and Economy. The polytheistic religious system of the vikings was not able to build up a stable, lasting administration.
5) And of course, the attackers always have to conquer the well defended fortresses and walled cities and castles. While the defenders of a nation can attac them from there when they wish and then withdraw every time. The Byzantines destroyed the Norman viking fleet with Greece fire, their secret weapon, also using it against the Muslims. The Muslims lacked the Logic of the Greece philosophy in their Quran you can find in the bible. In the bible also usury is forbidden, and only these two factors made it possible for Christian Europa to develope the Renaissance. It is not without reason, that neither centralistic China nor India with the rigid caste system nor Islam with his extreme patriarchy and Sharia and capitalistic egoism and slave trade could develope this cultural techniques. Although every of these three once leading advanced civilizations with high culture once headed into this direction with the technical knowledge and philosophy of the antiquity and their own way of living and special spirituality. But India stayed politically fragmented by Hindhuism and China bureaucratic inefficient and isolationist.
I love this part it's beginning of Ivar and his strategic abilities that make him one of the best military minds in history as far as history tells us Ivar was never defeated or out strategised only that his name disappeared most likely cause he died in Dublin Ireland
What he lacked in pysche, Ivar more than made up for in brains.
I would have loved to have seen the dialog between Ivar and Bjorn coming up with the battle strategy.
Haha look, tire track roads during viking times.
I really like the series but unfortunately there's not much historical accuracy to be found in it.
Vikings, unlike the perception and tales we have about them, didn't fight willy nilly and bravely like most say. They fought very strategically, preferred to stay alive and pick oppurtunistic fights. The way you see battles go in this series, which is almost always in an open field actually was extremely rare in history. Most fights were hit and run guerilla tactics or ambushes. The only real big fights were from sieges but an army fighting another army in plain open field just wasn't done often because it's stupid.
In this scene only Ivar says to scout the battlefield, as if they wouldn't automatically do that already. They're not stupid, they're fighting for their lives with an entire army, do you really think they were just casually gonna fight another army without knowing what lies ahead?
To be fair tho other than Bjorn all the brothers are a bit green when it comes to full scale combat like this.
Wasn't done often? Romans fought dozens of time in open battles, I could name 30-50 at least. Hit and run was done when one's army was less superior than it's foe's army, but a decisive victory was crucial in order to win a war, which can be achived by defeating an army in a battle. Even in skirmish battles, there were thousands of soldiers. When Varro led his 80,000 men against Hannibal, his skirmisher forces numbered 16,000 men. I agree that Vikings, for instance, done hit and run and guerilla tactics often, as their biggest advantage was suprise and quickness, but they raided in small numbers so it made sense to do. But now, when they had a "great army" numbering 4000-5000 men why wouldn't they opt for a decisive victory?
This is true. Vikings preferred to avoid pitched battles since they didn't really have the numbers to risk open engagements where their enemies could bring their superior numbers to bear on them. That's not to say they didn't fight pitched battles, but they largely tried to avoid them where they could, and if they did fight them, they only did it when they were certain to win or at least outnumbered their opponent.
Bjron was the only one who kept them together and was a tru leader once he left for middle east they all went different ways . And after that the season went downhill too
2:50 , I think Ivar is processing "If it works it is a good plan, if it doesn't, that is a bad plan"
One of my work bosses said the thing thing. If it works, then it is a good plan. Someone is going to take the heat for a bad plan.
When my brother wants my things: 1:39
Float like a boneless, sting like a lothbrok!
1:38 😂😂 lol
Bijorn the legend.
would love a vikings video game x)
fucking brilliant
Imagine if they just worked together yes some bickering they are brothers after all but just imagine what they could have done TOGETHER five versions of Ragnar all with One distinct quality of him my oden how the world would have been so different
I still think ubbe ist Most Like Ragnar because Ragnar never was that much about glory. He wanted To Explore and find News Lands make New contacts and improve the wellbeing of His people. Ubbe wanted To carry that Same dream so i think He mostly got His drive for Adventurne.
Ivar is good in battle plan
Anyone else notice that Bjorn was talking like Ragnar?
Could anyone advise the title of OST please?
Ivar was born a cripple so he had to focus the one skill he had over others. His mind. The other sons of Ragnar were strong yes but Ivar was a tactical genius. Ragnar was the embodiment of both.
Awesome
They knew that Bjron and ivar was going to be OP if they continued to fight with each other
The saxons are on their home turf. They should be expecting Viking surprise attacks.
Yet they have no scouts, spies or locals informing them.
Why is UA-cam showing only 6 comments when there are Hundreds ?
Bjorn was a good leader for war, since he heard another strategy, evaluate and then took