Practicing heavy weight, single engine approaches right after takeoff was a routine training requirement in T-38s back when I was an IP. I'm sure it still is and this video proves why that is.
I had the infamous Tire failure/#2Eng compressor stall (sucked up piece of the tire) on a 92 degree day at Reese AFB (PA 3,300MSL - higher that day). Tire failed at 160 kts right when lifting off. Had to lower the nose and remain about 20' off the ground to get some airspeed. EGT was 700 and steady. Pulled it to idle about 10 seconds later (aboout the end of the runway), when I had about 200 kts. Stall cleared, temp went to normal. Then with about 600 feet below us, I checked the fire light (it was working) and slowly pushed the throttle back to about 90% RPM. Left it there. That's about 50% thrust for that engine at 90% RPM. Tire was a shreaded retread. I had noted two chords showing on the walkaround. So I wasn't too surprised when it happened. You could take a jet with 3 showing if I remember correctly. It depended on the brand of tire. Stall sounded and the jet performed EXACTLY like the simulator. It was a non-event after that. Brought it back around for a straight-in and gave the jet back to MX. The student later washed out of the program.. Poor sap. We were trying to get him through. I think the Emergency shook him. Reese AFB 1987. Most fun I had flying in an entire career in the AF.
I taught at Texas Tech from 1997 to 2007. Unfortunately, Reese had been closed the year before I moved there. I finished high school at Randolph. My dad's retirement was the day after I graduated (1975) and I grew up on bases around the world. It was a great childhood. Now, I'm at Weber State University and I can see the Hill flight line from my deck. :)
The usaf will end up having to donate to avian charities to make up for the loss to the bird community. The birds will be insisting that all pilots take a wing in respect. Bird Lives Matter.
Great video. Having the HUD data helps to follow with how the pilot is flying the aircraft. I had a pilot who told me that asymmetrical thrust in a T-38 was not as easy to deal with as one might expect with the engines so close together. Our crew chiefs and jet engine technicians certainly disliked bird strike inspections, repairs, and cleanings. Under certain conditions the entire plane from nose to tail smelled of dead and burnt bird.
You would think it would be easy with close enginesbut every plane has it's own quirks to it. I always heard the T-38 was one of the harder planes to land due to high landing speed
@@Josh-hr5mc , The transition from the Mighty Tweet T-37 was no easy task. It is one reasons the USAF wanted the Tanker Transport Training System( T-1 Jayhawk) for those not deemed capable of the Fighter, Bomber, Attack training. There was little logic in training someone in a tandem seat supersonic capable trainer and then sending them off to learn how to fly C-130Hs. It just took decades for the USofA Congress to agree to replace the lost cargo aircraft trainer capabilities that the USAF used to have.
David Hoffman yup I agree. And of course congress are experts on training operations and what actually makes sense and in the end saves heaps of time and cash. I hope you grasp my sarcasm in the comment above 👍
That couldn't have been a lot of fun with 3000 lbs of fuel and single engine. VERY impressed with the calm, professional radio work and sticking to procedures. You could hear the processes and decision making chain taking place. Good work.
@Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet In general, 'T' represents temperature, 'N' shaft rotation speed and 'L' Low Pressure. The number 6 would be Stage 6 so we have a warning concerning Stage 6 Temperature and the LP shaft speed. Possibly a compressor surge. Bitching Betty never gave me the warm and fuzzies.
@JOSEF BORG Most strikes are low level (obviously) but there's been a good number of strikes from FL200->FL300. Good bit less common but definitely not unheard of.
We (myself, wife, and daughter) live less than 1 mile from one of the main gates of Tinker AFB and get to see a lot of jets and heavies land 24/7. My daughter and I love seeing these (T-38s) fly overhead. That said, every morning, relatively early, around 6:00am, they start some kind of engine that is so powerful, it is deafening inside our house, and has been known to rattle pictures off the wall. I'd love to know what it is for. Has to be bigger than what's on an AWACS. Lots of T-38 flights lately.
call base public affairs. If it is not classified they will tell you....most bases have "quiet" hours so I wonder if this is an anti bird strike activity (scare off birds before morning go).
He seemed to have great single engine performance and no indication of fire. Is it an Air Force requirement to declare an emergency and roll crash in this situation?
5 years as instructor in the T-38A. Very reliable and fun to fly. Thankfully, no major emergency situations. Looks very high tech now. Glad it ended well. Thanks
Along w/ student pilot Lt. Norm Dotti, we had a dual engine compressor stall just after liftoff @ Moody AFB, Valdosta, Ga., while flying #2 just prior to gear retraction. I took control just as we were falling out of position on the wing and saw both tacs and egt falling. I went to alternate air start and got one engine relit just prior to zooming and ejecting. We tried to get the second engine restarted, but were unable. We burned off some fuel and landed single engine (1969).
Was the bird cleared to enter the pattern? Glad you got back down okay. Interesting to hear the comms. State 3.0 at touchdown? Isn't that a bit heavy for such thin, small wings? Doesn't the T-38 have a fuel dump? I guess it wasn't needed. Thanks for the video, Mover. I love all your vids.
Because we needed time to run the checklists and come up with a solid gameplan. There is absolutely no reason to get into a rush, and landing heavyweight single engine in a T-38 is no joke, so it's important to make sure everything is dialed in and we're ready.
Actually a good question from a non-pilot. C.W. covered it but many don't know why.. Things like math for weight find direction and even stability if the craft. I lived in laughlin afb in del Rio texas 8 years and watched many t-37 and t-38 land and take off. Seen plenty emergency landings. Not a pilot myself but I took home interest in them how they work aerodynamics communications so forth. When I finally was older I served 726th ACS out My. Home AFB as a radar tech in antps-75 keeping up radar that pointed out the bad guys for us to handle. That base had lancer f-15 and f-16 planes mostly and you would see my fav the A-10 often. When we would go play war once a month we worked lot with the vipers you get a good respect for how fast and tight they moved.
TymeOnMySide FB-YT GDZ E_SPORTS only plane I ever landed in had something blown in the engine... Pilot had to take into account all the passengers and the full load of fuel... and that was only a “light” plane. Was so impressed with the pilot staying so calm (I was actually kneeling right next to him) I actually got interested in flight simming. Unfortunately the ONLY flight sim out there at the time was by a company called Sublogic... and was called “Flight Simulator II” for the Commodore 64 (was eventually bought by Microsoft). Nowadays we have some truly awesome sims that even beat the forces sims in some cases... Just ask Mover and Gonky lol.
Spectre Rising (First book in the Spectre Series) and Avoid. Negotiate. Kill. (the second) are. Absolute Vengeance should be on there this month. The rest are not yet available but in work.
I witnessed early in my navy career a young naval officer messed up by a bird in flight. The young aviator thought he would be like Tom Cruise and fly without his mask and lens on his helmet down and had a birdstrike while in the pattern. The scuttlebutt was the only reason he kept flying was he managed to save his aircraft despite getting a nasty scar from the bird. Lesson Learned
Bring you some new meaning to the phrase let me pick up some KFC only this time the drive-thru was airborne and the chicken was extra crispy ., In all seriousness glad you got through that one in one piece
Is there any upt base, or any base regulary used by T-38's that is built in the middle of a national migratory bird sancutary like Moody AFB, near the Okeefennokee swamp? I was on my night, solo ride to Randolp Macon Ga, the weather was so bad, I had to ask for an Ifr ; clearance, a no no for a student, but there was so much civilian airline traffice, the controller suggested it, rather than have me dodging between the clouds. On the way back, I heard a large thump in the rear, I had just leveled off, checked all that I could check and saw everything looked ok. Got a call later from maintanince who confirmed a goose probably hit me sideways just aft of the intake. Less than a year before, two NASA pilots from Patrick were both killed when the goose hit the canopy. That was on my mind. Moody had alligators on the runway, in the two small lakes located on the base, and the controllable exit from both the 37's and 38's was fly one minute east from the base and eject. They finally closed UPT.
A bird tends to disrupt airflow when it destroys blades. And the T-38 is a centerline thrust aircraft. Much more dangerous to turn into the T-6 (and instrument) pattern (left) than turn right into the T-38 pattern via a normal entry.
@@supersabrejet --Yeah, I'm just a DCS/MSFS pilot but I know those inlets can have their airflow disrupted and stall the engines. Maybe not on this aircraft though, I don't know. I also don't know about turning into the stalled engine in the T-38. I know for a fact you don't do it in an underwing mounted jet. Thought one of these real pilots or engineers could tell us.
@@bobbybooshay8641 the T-38C is a centerline thrust aircraft. Far safer to turn into the dead engine and stay in the pattern than to turn left into an active T-6 pattern.
Why does he not simply go around and land? He is already at the runway, going through the checklist seemed more risky. What if something happens to the good engine? Let the Technicians figure it out on the ground. Just my humble opinion, obviously it was well handled. Good job Pilot!
Random piece of info Idk how I know: they keep the canopy open pretty much until right before takeoff because the AC in the T38 sucks until you're off the ground
Just remember the HUD tape and calm voices do not portray how hard the Pilot is working and why it is important that emergency training drills are practiced repeatedly on the real thing, and not just in the Simulator.
No forests in that part of Texas to speak of so no spotted owls. Lots of mesquite and scrub brushes. Great sheep country. The ranch that the TV series "Lonesome Dove" was occasionally filmed at was just outside the Laughlin AFB base back gate. One of the largest sheep ranches in the world if I remember correctly. You had to have cable TV to get any reception. All the TV transmitters were over the horizon in San Antonio.
Oh man , I didn’t realize it was you piloting till a few minutes in, man you’ve been through some scary stuff . Lightning strikes , bird strikes . Glad your safe brother .
Why did delay the landing by going into the high pattern. I understand they had to run a few checklists including checking landing distance, but one trip around to a straight in seems like plenty of time. Maybe these young hud babies are getting soft (just kidding guys). One of my studs at Willie, on his initial contact solo, seized his left engine on his first touch and go back from the MOA, engine took a big crap, parts on the runway, lost all utility hydraulics with the gear stuck down, hot as hell.... Took it around the box, Gasser had a chase ship on him in seconds. Story gets a bit weird because of how Gasser screwed up some stuff, but short version is that he did a great job flying and I was proud of him for a great recovery. Certainly an unforgettable first solo in a 38😳 Always freaked me out how we soloed these guys in less than 10 rides in an airplane that was probably the most difficultI have ever personally flown. I say that because the 38 flies unlike any other modern airplane with its tiny little fin like wings. Susceptible to very insidious stall onset, and in the pattern especially close to these conditions while also close to the ground. The “high performance” wing always seemed to be a little “small”. As for the comment about the 38 asymmetrical thrust. We did not normally use a lot of rudder, but there was plenty available. I always joke that the engineers didn’t want to pay for more rudder than you needed, so true to form most aircraft need about the same rudder when an engine fails, although the 38 with its centerline thrust was not significant. With the gear down I think you had 30 degrees available, and the rudder limiter reduced that to 6 degrees when the gear was up. I rambled....
Mark g i heard that even though the Engines on the 38 are close together that if u lose one it effects the aircraft a lot more than you would think, it’s certainly a hard jet to fly and not very forgiving, I think this might be a reason why NASA uses them as the shuttle was a flying brick. Great info though, learned a lot. Cheers
Mark Sketch Mark, the jet was probably selected by NASA because of economic reasons over a more expensive fighter type aircraft. Not really hard to fly when u weren’t in the pattern, but fast and pitch sensitive as hell at altitude. Had to definitely stay ahead of it. At pattern speeds and altitudes though it was very unforgiving as you were closer to stall speeds at relatively high descent rates and inattention to a sink rate or getting behind the airspeed would get you killed. In the case of an engine failure this was partially alleviated by recovering the aircraft from a “straight in” approach rather than an overhead. We did practice single engine go arounds from an overhead, but by simulating with one engine pulled back, so the other was still alive if you screwed it up. Later on when NASA was in its shuttle days, it turns out that the 38 could approximate the shuttles glide path and speed by flying in idle with speed brake and gear extended, and at about 290 to 300 knots could approximate a shuttle landing, or chase the shuttle on approach. Got to do one of those at Edwards AFB once onto the main concrete runway. Very steep. And the flare started around 2000 feet or something. Certainly not ur typical ILS. As for the amount of rudder displacement versus other aircraft, I don’t remember it being a big deal compared to other aircraft I’ve flown, tweet, DC10, 737,757,767. I suppose a 2 engine prop would require quite a bit of rudder, but very limited experience to draw on there... Best thing about the 38 was that you really got a good kick from the blowers, and you always felt like you were smooth and fast. Rolled like a maniac but turned like shit. Formation was challenging for pitch control, but plenty of power to hang with whatever. I rambled again...
Mark g don’t worry about rambling it’s very informative, you’re so lucky to be able to of done chase with the shuttle. If you have any videos on that if you upload you will certainly go viral as I have never seen a chase with the shuttle on UA-cam. I got the info about nasa choosing the 38 as it had similarities on the glideslope to the flying brick. So it was good training for them. Although I do believe they had a small private jet configured with its avionics to more exactly simulate the shuttle that the shuttle pilots used to train on, not sure what jet that was but it was something similar to a Lear jet or Beechcraft premier, it must of been great for the NASA astronauts to be able to grab a T38 at anytime n fly it to their next meeting or publicly engagement. As they used them as personal taxis, must of been wonderful having that and knowing that someone else was picking up the bill for fuel and maintenance, thanks for your ramble 👍. Mark from the UK 🇬🇧 across the pond!!
Mark Sketch Mark, I may have misled you, as I never chased the shuttle. Just had a chance once at Edwards to fly the profile. And yes, they did have an aircraft set up to simulate the shuttle approach. Don’t know much about that. I spent two weeks at Edwards on a “good deal” thing hanging out in the Test Pilot School. I was a normal T38 instructor that just got to fly in other aircraft while there if something was available. The test pilots and staff there was totally amazing, and I got to do a whole bunch of “once in a lifetime” cool tricks. For instance, that same 38 ride we did dissimilar air to air against an A37, then chased them while they did inverted spins, then broke off for a 500 knot 50’ AGL flyby down the airspeed calibration line. Then the shuttle approach, and finally a full stop landing on lakebed 30L. I’ve never come across any shuttle chase footage, but I’d certainly watch it🙂. All that stuff they do at Edwards would make a normal fighter pilot look like a sissy.... ah, perhaps they are sissy’s?
Matk g -- " I say that because the 38 flies unlike any other modern airplane with its tiny little fin like wings." It's my understanding that the T-38 was designed in the Nineteen Fifties to train pilots headed for Century Series jets. F-100s and F-104s were a handful. Modern jets are "way" easier to fly, what with all the electronic flight aids and reliable excess power.
From the time it happened to the time I landed was only around 10 minutes. That's not "quite a while." But there's no reason to rush an emergency. Do the immediate action items, complete the checklist, and come up with a plan. Plus, landing heavyweight in a T-38 adds even more complication (increased speeds + increased landing distances), so it's best to burn down a little fuel if possible.
I worked as a jet engine mechanic at both Reese A.F.B in the very early 90's and at Sheppard A.F.B. in wichita falls beginning in 04. I also worked at Holloman A.F.B. in alamogordo, NM. I've encountered working on engines that had bird strikes. But I think the one I remember the most was when a pilots checklist went down the intake!!!
Have you cross countried there from Tyndall? My dad was the base ops station chief (weather) there a long time ago. One of my favorite bases. Had a lot of fun there.
We left in the mid 90s. Miss seeing the T37s flying right over my house. We lived literally less than a mile from 17C. The scrambled the TV when they transmitted to tower turning base to final. Big fan of your channel btw, wish I had someone like you around to say "get a waiver" I had a IP in a T37 sim say I was too tall to fly.
@@karlchilders5420 I was there as well for the wonderful T-37s flying in the pattern over my enlisted dorm making their signature engine noise. Somehow managed to sleep through them most of the time. Did 2nd and 3rd shift in the Base Data processing center, and Flight Training Data Center. T-38s couldn't fly over the dorms for the reason in the video. Lose an engine and Talons were said to fly like a brick. If you've seen the movie "No Country for Old Men," it was about the drug traffic in the area around Del Rio and Laughlin AFB during the early 1980s - while I was stationed there.
He technically turned (right) into the stalled (right) engine. In a twin engine aircraft, you are not supposed to turn into the dead engine. I wonder if this is not the case with the T-38 given that the turbines are close to centerline.
Jimmy Doolittle did it routinelywith the B-26, a famously difficult to fly two banger piston engined medium bomber sooooo....it's not textbook but it isn't some outrageously uncommon feat either if you know the type and how to fly it.
C.W. Lemoine thank you I was helping load cargo aircraft in Afghanistan did an airdrop we had an inflight compressor stall on a globe master III all they did was shut down but I watch all your stuff learned so much.
Do T38-s always come down so hard on the front gear when landing? Every T38 video I've ever seen has the nose up for quite awhile and then boom. I am not a pilot, but noticing a trend is still a trend no matter who you are. Perhaps I'm just aviation illiterate and simply don't know what I'm talking about. I would venture to assume that is far more likely the case. Also as it pertains to the F14, F111, F15, F16, and F18, which of those aircraft has the best thrust to weight ratio? Which would be the "Drag Car" of that group? O Ya, and TRUMP 2024 BABY!
I really despise that "uh, I'm vegan" commercial. If I had a son like that I'd probably drop him off in 30 fathoms with a set of locked leg weights around his neck. He certainly wouldn't be living with me.
C.W. Lemoine. Was this your actual emergency or a colleagues?. As usual whoever it was they kept the cool 😎 voice on the comms as any fighter pilot wants to sound that way no matter what the emergency is....even if in your mind your thinking 🤬 n have a puker factor of 10 n pinching that seat like the top of an orange lol 😆. The most important thing is to seem nonchalant about it all. Well done n you certainly achieved that ✅. I’m ex UK Fleet Air Arm and I remember being shown a training film of two Canberra crew who had a dual engine failure right after takeoff and there situation was hopeless. All you heard from the pilot over the radio was, Cancel two late lunches at the mess, just before they both crashed n burned sadly. As you know the guy in the nose had no chance and the pilot was out of parameters so no bail out was possible n the pilot was going to stay with it anyway to try n give his oppo the best chance by ditching it as best he could. Also you should check out the falklands war where we with our untested harriers took out 20 mirage 3s and mk5s supersonic aircraft for no losses on our side in air to air conflict. Not to take away from the bravery shown by the Argentinian pilots but they where just out classed by superior pilots and training. There comms where amazing especially when two harriers on CAP to protect the fleet took on 6 mirages n made it sound like a picnic, they ran out of missiles n took the remaining two out with gun kills. This is why the USA backed up by the UK 🇬🇧 is an unbeatable world force. Just wished nukes never where invented as it lets countries with hardly no real power enforce their will which knocks the true balance of power out of kilt.
This is the HUD tape from my aircraft when the #2 engine ingested a bird at rotation during a formation takeoff in UPT. I was a solo student at the time.
C.W. Lemoine Thanks for confirmation of that, btw I was in the fleet air arm but ground crew and was very proud of our record. I am a PPL holder now though after retiring but can only afforded to be a member of a club and take either a Mooney or a Cessna out for a couple of hours. Thanks n will get some of your books, Mark from across the pond in the UK 🇬🇧
superior technology in the falklands, yes, better pilots, no... argies flown a4 and old miragges with no modern electric equipment (no Cms , no radar, no A-A missiles only rockets), almost broke the task force in half and you are not counting helos,cargoships ,battleships and carriers , how convinient.
katahajime ude garame plz don’t misunderstand my comment, I give the Argentine pilots top marks for bravery, & yes they did cause immense damage to our cargo vessels n a couple of ships, even taking out the Atlantic Conveyor which had ALL of our chinooks on board apart from one which was actually flying at the time. So we had to walk everywhere, miles n miles over hard ground as we lost all of our airlift capacity. The mirage, at the time was a top class aircraft n even the A4s were good n still in service with the US at the time. I do think though that we had better trained pilots, mix that up with the sidewinder missile n yeah we had an advantage, all this was unproven stuff at the time n had never been used in anger. Also, we had a task force who had to take everything with them. We had zero means of a resupply so the heavy losses we suffered we had to live with n replan. My hat certainly goes off to the bravery of the Argentinian pilots, they had great flying skills & served Argentina well. The entire situation was a very sad one, war is not a nice thing, I’ve been in every war zone since 1990-2009, so yeah I know the cost of life, n we had nothing against Argentina n thee great ppl. I’ve been there n the ppl where so hospitable n friendly, sadly it comes down to, in Argentina’s case, a fascist leader n government who I think could see he was losing his grip on power so as to get the ppl on his side he created a war which he knew would be popular, unfortunately things didn’t work out as he planned. He had committed terrible atrocities already to the ppl which was a very dark part of history, thankfully now though he is out of power & I pray that Argentina stays free & I wish them all the success possible. People are people & when out together we see we have no real differences, sadly again it’s politics that gets in the way time & time again.
When you come to a stop on the taxi way, perpendicular to the runway, I can see 15 knot cross winds registering on your airspeed indicator....as if landing on on engine wasnt hard enough....
Barry Allard yeah, I agree although that is way beyond my limited scope of knowledge. I guess until then, we’ll just be listening to ATIS and getting a glance at the ol wind sock. 😂
Just watched this, and cool as you could be,Mover,that is how you have to be in an emergency situation,if it escalates, it gets out of hand, and you cannot achieve your goal,but with me watching,I wanted you down on the ground yesterday,but I understand you have to do a checklist and plan.Even though your adrenaline probably spiked a little,you kept a calm demeanor and all your knowledge and training kicked in,assess,assess,assess.Multi triple task. I want you as my pilot on every flight,beautiful job!!! Don`t tell anyone, but I had a burst of V-Tach, and my palms were sweating for you........That is why you are a great pilot,Commander!!
"Mover ruins birds"
Nope, you win. Im'ma stop reading comments right now.
Great news! Jesus died for your sins! Trust in Jesus, turn from your sins, and ask God for forgiveness!
@@Grand12 bad news ... my imaginary friend can beat up yours.
@@Grand12 HUH ????????
All birds should have TCAS by now. Unacceptable, just unacceptable!
well they want every single little RC plane to have a transponder and TCAS so your post isnt far from their fantasies
it's not a bird strike it's a plane strike the bird was in the air first
its hard to argue with his assessment
But who won?
LOL
@@detaildon Hint: only one was still flying afterward!
😂😂😂
We had several bird strikes with the smurf, nothing major. Those damn birds never announce that they entered the pattern; amateurs !! Tally Ho we go.
Damm, I didn't know you flew human developed planes Optimus Prime
Practicing heavy weight, single engine approaches right after takeoff was a routine training requirement in T-38s back when I was an IP. I'm sure it still is and this video proves why that is.
I had the infamous Tire failure/#2Eng compressor stall (sucked up piece of the tire) on a 92 degree day at Reese AFB (PA 3,300MSL - higher that day). Tire failed at 160 kts right when lifting off. Had to lower the nose and remain about 20' off the ground to get some airspeed. EGT was 700 and steady. Pulled it to idle about 10 seconds later (aboout the end of the runway), when I had about 200 kts. Stall cleared, temp went to normal. Then with about 600 feet below us, I checked the fire light (it was working) and slowly pushed the throttle back to about 90% RPM. Left it there. That's about 50% thrust for that engine at 90% RPM. Tire was a shreaded retread. I had noted two chords showing on the walkaround. So I wasn't too surprised when it happened. You could take a jet with 3 showing if I remember correctly. It depended on the brand of tire. Stall sounded and the jet performed EXACTLY like the simulator. It was a non-event after that. Brought it back around for a straight-in and gave the jet back to MX. The student later washed out of the program.. Poor sap. We were trying to get him through. I think the Emergency shook him. Reese AFB 1987. Most fun I had flying in an entire career in the AF.
I taught at Texas Tech from 1997 to 2007. Unfortunately, Reese had been closed the year before I moved there. I finished high school at Randolph. My dad's retirement was the day after I graduated (1975) and I grew up on bases around the world. It was a great childhood. Now, I'm at Weber State University and I can see the Hill flight line from my deck. :)
About as much fun as a guy can have in Lubbock, , , , , ,
Unable. We’re gonna be in the Hudson.
Whats wrong with you! You had a 5 second window where if you were superhuman with godlike powers you could have definitely made the airport!
You are half right lol.
A moment of silence for the bird.
Then many moments of cursing.
The usaf will end up having to donate to avian charities to make up for the loss to the bird community.
The birds will be insisting that all pilots take a wing in respect.
Bird Lives Matter.
@@sahhull😂
Great video. Having the HUD data helps to follow with how the pilot is flying the aircraft.
I had a pilot who told me that asymmetrical thrust in a T-38 was not as easy to deal with as one might expect with the engines so close together.
Our crew chiefs and jet engine technicians certainly disliked bird strike inspections, repairs, and cleanings. Under certain conditions the entire plane from nose to tail smelled of dead and burnt bird.
You would think it would be easy with close enginesbut every plane has it's own quirks to it. I always heard the T-38 was one of the harder planes to land due to high landing speed
@@Josh-hr5mc ,
The transition from the Mighty Tweet T-37 was no easy task. It is one reasons the USAF wanted the Tanker Transport Training System( T-1 Jayhawk) for those not deemed capable of the Fighter, Bomber, Attack training. There was little logic in training someone in a tandem seat supersonic capable trainer and then sending them off to learn how to fly C-130Hs. It just took decades for the USofA Congress to agree to replace the lost cargo aircraft trainer capabilities that the USAF used to have.
David Hoffman yup I agree. And of course congress are experts on training operations and what actually makes sense and in the end saves heaps of time and cash. I hope you grasp my sarcasm in the comment above 👍
That couldn't have been a lot of fun with 3000 lbs of fuel and single engine. VERY impressed with the calm, professional radio work and sticking to procedures. You could hear the processes and decision making chain taking place. Good work.
I knew a guy who had more than one bird strike in the T6 II. He was proud of it for some reason.
Awesome video, the situation is was handled professionally and skillfully.
Is was
Compressor Stall in a T-38 will get your attention.
@Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet In general, 'T' represents temperature, 'N' shaft rotation speed and 'L' Low Pressure. The number 6 would be Stage 6 so we have a warning concerning Stage 6 Temperature and the LP shaft speed. Possibly a compressor surge. Bitching Betty never gave me the warm and fuzzies.
Thank the engineers for turbine redundancy. You single engine aviators will get it.
you've got two engines..
@JOSEF BORG Suck in 2, like Sully, and you'll wish you were in a B-52.
@@donjones4719 the "dreaded six engine approach"
Pecos 1 sounds awfully similar to C.W. Lemoine. :P
This is the beauty of the aircraft with two engines 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Out of interest what was the most serious mechanical failure you had in your military career CWL ?? how did things shape up ?
Just bought all 7 in the Spectre Series...cant wait to read.
I have my first book Mover it is “Spectre Rising” I am excited !
Sucked a Killdeer into #1 on a C-130.
Still gotta RTB and wear gloves on clean up once down.
Great job, Mover.
@JOSEF BORG Most strikes are low level (obviously) but there's been a good number of strikes from FL200->FL300. Good bit less common but definitely not unheard of.
We (myself, wife, and daughter) live less than 1 mile from one of the main gates of Tinker AFB and get to see a lot of jets and heavies land 24/7. My daughter and I love seeing these (T-38s) fly overhead. That said, every morning, relatively early, around 6:00am, they start some kind of engine that is so powerful, it is deafening inside our house, and has been known to rattle pictures off the wall. I'd love to know what it is for. Has to be bigger than what's on an AWACS. Lots of T-38 flights lately.
Maybe a B52 those have 8 engines
Maybe even the engines of b1 bomber. My guess the f101 engine at after burner, dont know why its 6 am every day though.
call base public affairs. If it is not classified they will tell you....most bases have "quiet" hours so I wonder if this is an anti bird strike activity (scare off birds before morning go).
@@viperfanacr I have gotten to see B-1bs fly quite a few times and it is hard to miss the sound of two of them trailing a KC-135 coming overhead.
Textbook EP, well handled. shooters gunna shoot 🤙🏼
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Is that the sound of a bird roasting?
He seemed to have great single engine performance and no indication of fire. Is it an Air Force requirement to declare an emergency and roll crash in this situation?
Yes
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That was some tough stuff. Nicely done! I'm happy everything turned out okay :)
5 years as instructor in the T-38A. Very reliable and fun to fly. Thankfully, no major emergency situations. Looks very high tech now. Glad it ended well. Thanks
Along w/ student pilot Lt. Norm Dotti, we had a dual engine compressor stall just after liftoff @ Moody AFB, Valdosta, Ga., while flying #2 just prior to gear retraction. I took control just as we were falling out of position on the wing and saw both tacs and egt falling. I went to alternate air start and got one engine relit just prior to zooming and ejecting. We tried to get the second engine restarted, but were unable. We burned off some fuel and landed single engine (1969).
Dear fellow Moody pilot. Do you ever wonder why moody was built in a bird sanctuary, a swamp, and along the well travelled north south air highway?
Was the bird cleared to enter the pattern? Glad you got back down okay. Interesting to hear the comms. State 3.0 at touchdown? Isn't that a bit heavy for such thin, small wings? Doesn't the T-38 have a fuel dump? I guess it wasn't needed. Thanks for the video, Mover. I love all your vids.
No fuel dump on a 38
UPT 86-06 at Columbus AFB MS. RSU/overhead radio channel was always filled with 5 or more jets from sunrise to sunset. Times have changed
What is the impact of such an event on training? Do you still have to 'make up' the sortie?
This may have been addressed already, but as a non-pilot I ask why the plane wasn't landed the moment the pattern was verified clear?
Because we needed time to run the checklists and come up with a solid gameplan. There is absolutely no reason to get into a rush, and landing heavyweight single engine in a T-38 is no joke, so it's important to make sure everything is dialed in and we're ready.
@@CWLemoine Understood
Actually a good question from a non-pilot. C.W. covered it but many don't know why.. Things like math for weight find direction and even stability if the craft. I lived in laughlin afb in del Rio texas 8 years and watched many t-37 and t-38 land and take off. Seen plenty emergency landings. Not a pilot myself but I took home interest in them how they work aerodynamics communications so forth. When I finally was older I served 726th ACS out My. Home AFB as a radar tech in antps-75 keeping up radar that pointed out the bad guys for us to handle. That base had lancer f-15 and f-16 planes mostly and you would see my fav the A-10 often. When we would go play war once a month we worked lot with the vipers you get a good respect for how fast and tight they moved.
TymeOnMySide FB-YT GDZ E_SPORTS only plane I ever landed in had something blown in the engine... Pilot had to take into account all the passengers and the full load of fuel... and that was only a “light” plane. Was so impressed with the pilot staying so calm (I was actually kneeling right next to him) I actually got interested in flight simming.
Unfortunately the ONLY flight sim out there at the time was by a company called Sublogic... and was called “Flight Simulator II” for the Commodore 64 (was eventually bought by Microsoft). Nowadays we have some truly awesome sims that even beat the forces sims in some cases... Just ask Mover and Gonky lol.
Not heard of your books C.W. Are they on audible? Also any of them based slightly on true events? I may get one to listen to in the car
Spectre Rising (First book in the Spectre Series) and Avoid. Negotiate. Kill. (the second) are. Absolute Vengeance should be on there this month. The rest are not yet available but in work.
C.W. Lemoine great, im gonna get two today when I get back from work, Thanks for your reply, appreciate it 👍🇬🇧
That's why you have two engines.
Can you imagine how excited the F-35 guys are?
@@tommynikon2283 The F-35 is stealth, so the birds won't find it ;)
@@tommynikon2283 Probably as excited as the F-16 guys are and were. Take your stupid comments elsewhere.
@@byronmiller3877 Take the stick out of your ass and appreciate a good joke, or dont say anything at all
Air Force: _We don't need two stinkin' engines._
B1rd: _I'm about to end this man's whole career (and myself)._
Navy: ...
Was that in a charlie? I'm sure you just loved bringing that thing back with 3000 lbs of gas and only one engine.
Not to mention 2 pound of minced bird shit.
I witnessed early in my navy career a young naval officer messed up by a bird in flight. The young aviator thought he would be like Tom Cruise and fly without his mask and lens on his helmet down and had a birdstrike while in the pattern. The scuttlebutt was the only reason he kept flying was he managed to save his aircraft despite getting a nasty scar from the bird. Lesson Learned
Bring you some new meaning to the phrase let me pick up some KFC only this time the drive-thru was airborne and the chicken was extra crispy ., In all seriousness glad you got through that one in one piece
Well that was exciting!
Did you smell a roasted chicken in cockpit? Some pilots describe it that way, since climate-control often is driven by the engine.
The techs are gonna hate you for that, since they are going to have to literally tear your poor Talon in two just to get that engine out of there.
Is there any upt base, or any base regulary used by T-38's that is built in the middle of a national migratory bird sancutary like Moody AFB, near the Okeefennokee swamp? I was on my night, solo ride to Randolp Macon Ga, the weather was so bad, I had to ask for an Ifr ; clearance, a no no for a student, but there was so much civilian airline traffice, the controller suggested it, rather than have me dodging between the clouds. On the way back, I heard a large thump in the rear, I had just leveled off, checked all that I could check and saw everything looked ok. Got a call later from maintanince who confirmed a goose probably hit me sideways just aft of the intake. Less than a year before, two NASA pilots from Patrick were both killed when the goose hit the canopy. That was on my mind. Moody had alligators on the runway, in the two small lakes located on the base, and the controllable exit from both the 37's and 38's was fly one minute east from the base and eject. They finally closed UPT.
As soon as I saw the engine failure pop up I'd hit the eject button. No brass balls here...lol
Was the bird ok?
…that would be amazing but no sadly the bird died on impact
And that is why two engines are better than one.(when you have a bird strike.)
Nothing a simple gun pop can't prevent, that's why the Russian engines is much more loud.
I remember when this happen I lived right on the corner of rldgeway and Roanoke right across the street from from this horrible accident
@@pammypando6837 who are you thanking? Yourself? Lol
@@nathanaelmalm5641 I guess so lol
was that at Randolph?
Serious business. My father in law had an instructor and fellow student pilot killed in a T-38 bird strike at Reese AFB in the early 1960's.
My father in law had a federal witness killed.
Bravo Zulu! Did mine about 42 years ago. It is a pucker moment. Easy to get behind the curve.
Say, if they salvaged the bird, does the pilot get to keep it? Maybe he can make jerky out of bird, you know, like lemonade out of lemons.
Zig zagging down the runway disrupted airflow?
Turning into the dead engine?
A bird tends to disrupt airflow when it destroys blades. And the T-38 is a centerline thrust aircraft. Much more dangerous to turn into the T-6 (and instrument) pattern (left) than turn right into the T-38 pattern via a normal entry.
@@supersabrejet --Yeah, I'm just a DCS/MSFS pilot but I know those inlets can have their airflow disrupted and stall the engines. Maybe not on this aircraft though, I don't know.
I also don't know about turning into the stalled engine in the T-38. I know for a fact you don't do it in an underwing mounted jet. Thought one of these real pilots or engineers could tell us.
@@supersabrejet there's no zigzag. What do you think happens when you lose an engine at 170 knots? The turns were to stay in the pattern.
@@bobbybooshay8641 the T-38C is a centerline thrust aircraft. Far safer to turn into the dead engine and stay in the pattern than to turn left into an active T-6 pattern.
@@CWLemoine ---Thank you. I knew there was more to it.
Why does he not simply go around and land? He is already at the runway, going through the checklist seemed more risky. What if something happens to the good engine? Let the Technicians figure it out on the ground. Just my humble opinion, obviously it was well handled. Good job Pilot!
Random piece of info Idk how I know: they keep the canopy open pretty much until right before takeoff because the AC in the T38 sucks until you're off the ground
Just remember the HUD tape and calm voices do not portray how hard the Pilot is working and why it is important that emergency training drills are practiced repeatedly on the real thing, and not just in the Simulator.
I know I'm catching up on an old video but is that Gonky flying with you? It sounds like him on the radio. Great clip!
I sure hope they didn't hit a scrub jay or a spotted owl!
No forests in that part of Texas to speak of so no spotted owls. Lots of mesquite and scrub brushes. Great sheep country. The ranch that the TV series "Lonesome Dove" was occasionally filmed at was just outside the Laughlin AFB base back gate. One of the largest sheep ranches in the world if I remember correctly. You had to have cable TV to get any reception. All the TV transmitters were over the horizon in San Antonio.
You haven't LIVED until you take a bird strike on the lens of an extended IRDS turret on a P3C Orion.
Oh man , I didn’t realize it was you piloting till a few minutes in, man you’ve been through some scary stuff . Lightning strikes , bird strikes . Glad your safe brother .
Thank the engineers for turbine redundancy. You single engine aviators will get it.
Nicely handled
That is why you wear a helmet you just never know?.. thanks 👍🇳🇿
Mover have you ever been in a Diamond DA62 and if not would you like to fly one?
Why did delay the landing by going into the high pattern. I understand they had to run a few checklists including checking landing distance, but one trip around to a straight in seems like plenty of time. Maybe these young hud babies are getting soft (just kidding guys). One of my studs at Willie, on his initial contact solo, seized his left engine on his first touch and go back from the MOA, engine took a big crap, parts on the runway, lost all utility hydraulics with the gear stuck down, hot as hell.... Took it around the box, Gasser had a chase ship on him in seconds. Story gets a bit weird because of how Gasser screwed up some stuff, but short version is that he did a great job flying and I was proud of him for a great recovery. Certainly an unforgettable first solo in a 38😳
Always freaked me out how we soloed these guys in less than 10 rides in an airplane that was probably the most difficultI have ever personally flown. I say that because the 38 flies unlike any other modern airplane with its tiny little fin like wings. Susceptible to very insidious stall onset, and in the pattern especially close to these conditions while also close to the ground. The “high performance” wing always seemed to be a little “small”.
As for the comment about the 38 asymmetrical thrust. We did not normally use a lot of rudder, but there was plenty available. I always joke that the engineers didn’t want to pay for more rudder than you needed, so true to form most aircraft need about the same rudder when an engine fails, although the 38 with its centerline thrust was not significant. With the gear down I think you had 30 degrees available, and the rudder limiter reduced that to 6 degrees when the gear was up.
I rambled....
Mark g i heard that even though the Engines on the 38 are close together that if u lose one it effects the aircraft a lot more than you would think, it’s certainly a hard jet to fly and not very forgiving, I think this might be a reason why NASA uses them as the shuttle was a flying brick. Great info though, learned a lot. Cheers
Mark Sketch Mark, the jet was probably selected by NASA because of economic reasons over a more expensive fighter type aircraft. Not really hard to fly when u weren’t in the pattern, but fast and pitch sensitive as hell at altitude. Had to definitely stay ahead of it. At pattern speeds and altitudes though it was very unforgiving as you were closer to stall speeds at relatively high descent rates and inattention to a sink rate or getting behind the airspeed would get you killed. In the case of an engine failure this was partially alleviated by recovering the aircraft from a “straight in” approach rather than an overhead. We did practice single engine go arounds from an overhead, but by simulating with one engine pulled back, so the other was still alive if you screwed it up.
Later on when NASA was in its shuttle days, it turns out that the 38 could approximate the shuttles glide path and speed by flying in idle with speed brake and gear extended, and at about 290 to 300 knots could approximate a shuttle landing, or chase the shuttle on approach. Got to do one of those at Edwards AFB once onto the main concrete runway. Very steep. And the flare started around 2000 feet or something. Certainly not ur typical ILS.
As for the amount of rudder displacement versus other aircraft, I don’t remember it being a big deal compared to other aircraft I’ve flown, tweet, DC10, 737,757,767. I suppose a 2 engine prop would require quite a bit of rudder, but very limited experience to draw on there...
Best thing about the 38 was that you really got a good kick from the blowers, and you always felt like you were smooth and fast. Rolled like a maniac but turned like shit. Formation was challenging for pitch control, but plenty of power to hang with whatever.
I rambled again...
Mark g don’t worry about rambling it’s very informative, you’re so lucky to be able to of done chase with the shuttle. If you have any videos on that if you upload you will certainly go viral as I have never seen a chase with the shuttle on UA-cam. I got the info about nasa choosing the 38 as it had similarities on the glideslope to the flying brick. So it was good training for them. Although I do believe they had a small private jet configured with its avionics to more exactly simulate the shuttle that the shuttle pilots used to train on, not sure what jet that was but it was something similar to a Lear jet or Beechcraft premier, it must of been great for the NASA astronauts to be able to grab a T38 at anytime n fly it to their next meeting or publicly engagement. As they used them as personal taxis, must of been wonderful having that and knowing that someone else was picking up the bill for fuel and maintenance, thanks for your ramble 👍. Mark from the UK 🇬🇧 across the pond!!
Mark Sketch Mark, I may have misled you, as I never chased the shuttle. Just had a chance once at Edwards to fly the profile. And yes, they did have an aircraft set up to simulate the shuttle approach. Don’t know much about that. I spent two weeks at Edwards on a “good deal” thing hanging out in the Test Pilot School. I was a normal T38 instructor that just got to fly in other aircraft while there if something was available. The test pilots and staff there was totally amazing, and I got to do a whole bunch of “once in a lifetime” cool tricks. For instance, that same 38 ride we did dissimilar air to air against an A37, then chased them while they did inverted spins, then broke off for a 500 knot 50’ AGL flyby down the airspeed calibration line. Then the shuttle approach, and finally a full stop landing on lakebed 30L. I’ve never come across any shuttle chase footage, but I’d certainly watch it🙂. All that stuff they do at Edwards would make a normal fighter pilot look like a sissy.... ah, perhaps they are sissy’s?
Matk g -- " I say that because the 38 flies unlike any other modern airplane with its tiny little fin like wings." It's my understanding that the T-38 was designed in the Nineteen Fifties to train pilots headed for Century Series jets. F-100s and F-104s were a handful. Modern jets are "way" easier to fly, what with all the electronic flight aids and reliable excess power.
Glad it was a T38. Single engine jet would have most likely been lost.
Very nice landing, also is that Gonky?
No. This was UPT. About 8 years before I met Gonky in the Navy.
@@CWLemoine gotcha. Sounds just like him from the dcs video Haha
Forgive my total lack of knowledge about flying but why don’t you go up and come straight back down vs flying round quite a while? Love your channel 👍
From the time it happened to the time I landed was only around 10 minutes. That's not "quite a while." But there's no reason to rush an emergency. Do the immediate action items, complete the checklist, and come up with a plan. Plus, landing heavyweight in a T-38 adds even more complication (increased speeds + increased landing distances), so it's best to burn down a little fuel if possible.
I worked as a jet engine mechanic at both Reese A.F.B in the very early 90's and at Sheppard A.F.B. in wichita falls beginning in 04. I also worked at Holloman A.F.B. in alamogordo, NM. I've encountered working on engines that had bird strikes. But I think the one I remember the most was when a pilots checklist went down the intake!!!
good irony, your last six words above . . .
This has to be KEND
Yup!
Have you cross countried there from Tyndall? My dad was the base ops station chief (weather) there a long time ago. One of my favorite bases. Had a lot of fun there.
@@The-Baldawg I have not. I haven't gotten my Form 8 checkride in the jet yet. I went to UPT at Vance which is where this video is from (2007).
We left in the mid 90s. Miss seeing the T37s flying right over my house. We lived literally less than a mile from 17C. The scrambled the TV when they transmitted to tower turning base to final. Big fan of your channel btw, wish I had someone like you around to say "get a waiver" I had a IP in a T37 sim say I was too tall to fly.
1300’ MSL made me think the same!
Pecos call signs - KDLF?
@@karlchilders5420 I was there as well for the wonderful T-37s flying in the pattern over my enlisted dorm making their signature engine noise. Somehow managed to sleep through them most of the time. Did 2nd and 3rd shift in the Base Data processing center, and Flight Training Data Center. T-38s couldn't fly over the dorms for the reason in the video. Lose an engine and Talons were said to fly like a brick. If you've seen the movie "No Country for Old Men," it was about the drug traffic in the area around Del Rio and Laughlin AFB during the early 1980s - while I was stationed there.
those birds must be really angry to strike down aircraft like that..
"It's not a bird strike. It's an engine suck." - Eddie Izzard-
the bird had a plane strike, i hope the bird landed safely
The T-38 equivalent of a check engine light came on
Did you fly at Randolph afb don’t the t38 stuff
You should do way more videos like this! You can learn a ton from this stuff.
He technically turned (right) into the stalled (right) engine. In a twin engine aircraft, you are not supposed to turn into the dead engine. I wonder if this is not the case with the T-38 given that the turbines are close to centerline.
Centerline thrust. Doesn't matter. Plus more dangerous to turn left into the other runways which were active with UPT traffic.
Jimmy Doolittle did it routinelywith the B-26, a famously difficult to fly two banger piston engined medium bomber sooooo....it's not textbook but it isn't some outrageously uncommon feat either if you know the type and how to fly it.
Hey mover can you restart after a compressor stall at all or is it just easier to idle engine and do checklist and bring her home
Depends on the cause. Fire, FOD or frozen, no. All other causes it depends.
C.W. Lemoine thank you I was helping load cargo aircraft in Afghanistan did an airdrop we had an inflight compressor stall on a globe master III all they did was shut down but I watch all your stuff learned so much.
Sweet job.
I hated bird strikes especially at Hill with those effing seagulls pelicans are worse when it comes to Vipers
When it’s nice to be in a twin donkey machine
Pretty stiff crosswind. Well handled.
Do T38-s always come down so hard on the front gear when landing? Every T38 video I've ever seen has the nose up for quite awhile and then boom. I am not a pilot, but noticing a trend is still a trend no matter who you are. Perhaps I'm just aviation illiterate and simply don't know what I'm talking about. I would venture to assume that is far more likely the case. Also as it pertains to the F14, F111, F15, F16, and F18, which of those aircraft has the best thrust to weight ratio? Which would be the "Drag Car" of that group? O Ya, and TRUMP 2024 BABY!
1:30 That scared me😱👀😂
I'm missing something. Timestamp of birdstrike?
Watch the HUD display. When it starts screaming ENGINE, start going backwards on the clip until you can see the birdie.
I really despise that "uh, I'm vegan" commercial. If I had a son like that I'd probably drop him off in 30 fathoms with a set of locked leg weights around his neck. He certainly wouldn't be living with me.
RIP Birb
holy moly, the cross wind is real
*birds enter chat*
Mover, more like Hoover.
C.W. Lemoine. Was this your actual emergency or a colleagues?. As usual whoever it was they kept the cool 😎 voice on the comms as any fighter pilot wants to sound that way no matter what the emergency is....even if in your mind your thinking 🤬 n have a puker factor of 10 n pinching that seat like the top of an orange lol 😆. The most important thing is to seem nonchalant about it all. Well done n you certainly achieved that ✅. I’m ex UK Fleet Air Arm and I remember being shown a training film of two Canberra crew who had a dual engine failure right after takeoff and there situation was hopeless. All you heard from the pilot over the radio was, Cancel two late lunches at the mess, just before they both crashed n burned sadly. As you know the guy in the nose had no chance and the pilot was out of parameters so no bail out was possible n the pilot was going to stay with it anyway to try n give his oppo the best chance by ditching it as best he could. Also you should check out the falklands war where we with our untested harriers took out 20 mirage 3s and mk5s supersonic aircraft for no losses on our side in air to air conflict. Not to take away from the bravery shown by the Argentinian pilots but they where just out classed by superior pilots and training. There comms where amazing especially when two harriers on CAP to protect the fleet took on 6 mirages n made it sound like a picnic, they ran out of missiles n took the remaining two out with gun kills. This is why the USA backed up by the UK 🇬🇧 is an unbeatable world force. Just wished nukes never where invented as it lets countries with hardly no real power enforce their will which knocks the true balance of power out of kilt.
This is the HUD tape from my aircraft when the #2 engine ingested a bird at rotation during a formation takeoff in UPT. I was a solo student at the time.
C.W. Lemoine Thanks for confirmation of that, btw I was in the fleet air arm but ground crew and was very proud of our record. I am a PPL holder now though after retiring but can only afforded to be a member of a club and take either a Mooney or a Cessna out for a couple of hours. Thanks n will get some of your books, Mark from across the pond in the UK 🇬🇧
superior technology in the falklands, yes, better pilots, no... argies flown a4 and old miragges with no modern electric equipment (no Cms , no radar, no A-A missiles only rockets), almost broke the task force in half and you are not counting helos,cargoships ,battleships and carriers , how convinient.
katahajime ude garame plz don’t misunderstand my comment, I give the Argentine pilots top marks for bravery, & yes they did cause immense damage to our cargo vessels n a couple of ships, even taking out the Atlantic Conveyor which had ALL of our chinooks on board apart from one which was actually flying at the time. So we had to walk everywhere, miles n miles over hard ground as we lost all of our airlift capacity. The mirage, at the time was a top class aircraft n even the A4s were good n still in service with the US at the time. I do think though that we had better trained pilots, mix that up with the sidewinder missile n yeah we had an advantage, all this was unproven stuff at the time n had never been used in anger. Also, we had a task force who had to take everything with them. We had zero means of a resupply so the heavy losses we suffered we had to live with n replan. My hat certainly goes off to the bravery of the Argentinian pilots, they had great flying skills & served Argentina well. The entire situation was a very sad one, war is not a nice thing, I’ve been in every war zone since 1990-2009, so yeah I know the cost of life, n we had nothing against Argentina n thee great ppl. I’ve been there n the ppl where so hospitable n friendly, sadly it comes down to, in Argentina’s case, a fascist leader n government who I think could see he was losing his grip on power so as to get the ppl on his side he created a war which he knew would be popular, unfortunately things didn’t work out as he planned. He had committed terrible atrocities already to the ppl which was a very dark part of history, thankfully now though he is out of power & I pray that Argentina stays free & I wish them all the success possible. People are people & when out together we see we have no real differences, sadly again it’s politics that gets in the way time & time again.
Tonight's dinner is sorted 😀
Mover Makes Wings
Very nice
Rivoting
New name "T-birds".
Rip to the poor little bird
When you come to a stop on the taxi way, perpendicular to the runway, I can see 15 knot cross winds registering on your airspeed indicator....as if landing on on engine wasnt hard enough....
Barry Allard yeah, I agree although that is way beyond my limited scope of knowledge. I guess until then, we’ll just be listening to ATIS and getting a glance at the ol wind sock. 😂
Know what they call a T-38 with both engines out? A Lawn Dart.
Lawn Dart was more like the F-104 StarFighter.
was that at randolph afb
It sort of looks like Laughlin afb in del rio
Just watched this, and cool as you could be,Mover,that is how you have to be in an emergency situation,if it escalates, it gets out of hand, and you cannot achieve your goal,but with me watching,I wanted you down on the ground yesterday,but I understand you have to do a checklist and plan.Even though your adrenaline probably spiked a little,you kept a calm demeanor and all your knowledge and training kicked in,assess,assess,assess.Multi triple task. I want you as my pilot on every flight,beautiful job!!! Don`t tell anyone, but I had a burst of V-Tach, and my palms were sweating for you........That is why you are a great pilot,Commander!!
"Shoehorn" I remember flying 38's at Vance. Fun times.