I reskinned the Gods as the Four Horsemen which I find is fitting lore wise as well. Poseidon = Death hits one person hard. Hera = War. Two players attack each other. Hades = Famine. You are starved of useful cards. Zeus = Pestilence. Everyone gets hit by a disease.
In addition maybe add a old-west style to the whole game in general? Change the classes like mage to gunslinger. I know it would affect the story, but since the game uses playing cards decks, it fits in a traditional way, and even better with your Four Horsemen idea.
@@christopherf8812 The rogue can't. The written rules say the rogue can discard "two CLASS cards" to assassinate, so it doesn't include wounds. There's a bunch of important, easy-to-miss stuff like this in the rules, my first-ever playthrough was totally wrong. :)
I think rogue should have a counterattack ability. He flips over the top card of his wound deck and adds it to his regular deck, as if taking damage. If the card is higher than the attacker, it destroys that card. If it is lower than the attacker, the rogue will take the damage that was supposed to be dealt.
I love this Counterstrike mechanic. I might also add the Dodge ability which would function as a block, but would not move monsters into the Block zone and would be usable against monsters already in the Block zone.
I like the feel of the chance-y dodge mechanic. That said, I think the counterattack ability would be a good fit too, like Rogues had Riposte in D&D 4E. It seems a little OP though, so to offset it, combine it with Dodge's mechanic, except you only dodge a targeted attacker, not all attackers, but if the top card is higher as well, it kills the enemy. It's a risky gambit however, as it's possible to beat the enemy and still take damage, as if you don't successfully dodge, but you hit with the counterattack, you could kill the enemy, but still get hurt in the process.
Barry Goldberg I like this one the best. The other defense abilities seem tame in comparison. Buy someone would need to do the math on the efficacy of each ability to ensure no one character is overpowered.
I really like this ability I just can’t decide if he counterattack card should be from the discard or the wound pile because I don’t know if I want the eliminated cards from the attack deck to better the chance of a successful counterattack or not
Idea for Rogue ability: Because rogues are sneaky, bigger cards don’t notice them. 10s and Royals will move into the block lane but won’t attack the Rogue until next turn.
This game is absolutely amazing ! I have play it a lot recently and tried a bunch of different things and came up with some sort of variation of this game, changing Gods to have continuous effect instead of only when they arrive, changing how abilities and death work. If someone is interrested here is a link to a google doc with these rules : docs.google.com/document/d/1HJslC9gLt61qhYRX3repF6o6YAosoYCUogoCM03gMtE/edit?usp=sharing
@@heeaven17 If you're playing with 4 players then you can just use 3 deck, 1 for monsters (or 2 if it's too easy) and 2 for class cards and wound cards and have monsters attack players based on the suit. If you're playing with 3 player you manage monsters like with 4 players, then with the monsters corresponding to no player, you have 2 choice, you either remove them or make these monster attack depending of the value of the card, for exemple you can make 2, 5, 10 and K attack one player, 3, 6, 9 and Q attack another player and 4, 7, 8 and J attack the last player (since the aces don't attack with my set of rules then their suit as no impact here)
Been playing your variant, which is really great. For now, may I suggest a couple of things for the Rogue: - Assassination: You may use 2 cards combined to attack a monster (Adding their values instead of Instakilling any monster). - Assassination: It must be clear if Assassination works to kill a God (I'm playing as Yes, it can...) - Dodge: Only work once per turn. - Counter: Only work once per turn. If the value of the FIRST card is higher than the attacker monster. Anyone created a Discord server about this? Edit: Now I notice that the * means you can only use once per turn... I suggest writing it on each ability instead of the *. Edit 2: What's the reason of Mage's Teleport? (Except teaming up with a Warrior with Determination)
I think that a cool ability for the rogue would some sort of ability where when a rogue is hit, he gets a free attack on whatever attacked him, and still gets to draw a card back after the attack. It would add the element of extra damage to the rogues capabilities, and where the rogue can get more enemies out of the way, to free up for other players. Thoughts?
+Izaak Golden I like that mechanic, it fits with the theme of a rogue and it would be a unique defensive ability compared to the other classes. How would the free attack work? Maybe you can draw an extra card when you're hit and if its equal or higher to the attacking monster, you can counterattack?
How about this, if the rouge takes damage, the monster that attacked him is bleading out meaning that it decreases over time. Example: king attacks, goes down to queen, then jack, then 10, and eventuality all the way to 2
@@gnosticgalass4696 He did say this is the last act so either he lengthend the videos to get more in each than he originally planned or decided to leave out some mechanics he was planning.
So here's my idea for the Rogue's Counterattack Once per turn, when the rogue is attacked they can flip over the wound card they take as damage. If the value of the wound card is greater than the value of the attacking card, the monster is destroyed and the wound goes back to the health deck. If attacked by a royal, the rogue can flip over both wound cards and counterattack with the higher card. If the wound card drawn is a lower value than the attacking card, the damage is taken as normal. This gives the rogue a chance to parry and counterattack to avoid taking damage, but the success of the counterattack is left to chance. As an assassin, this also makes the rogue especially good against royals, but weak against normal mobs or large numbers. It balances the fact that his hand will always be pretty empty thanks to his assassinate ability, and means that the more wounds he takes, the less effective his counterattack is, but the more wounds he takes can better facilitate his assassinations. Even though he may attack recklessly by throwing out both daggers, he still has a chance to pull out a save at the last second
Nice video and nice game bro. I do create my own games too. The rogue is also an assassin, so here's my idea for him. If it happens that the attacking monster has THE SAME number (or royal type) as the TOP CARD of your discard pile, you as a rogue just kill that monster on the spot. No card needed. This brings another level of strategy playing the rogue since you must anticipate the moves of the monsters and try to get the right card on your discard pile at the right moment. Fits well imo.
@@realperson9951 if I understand the rules well, the discard pile is going to grow quite fast. At some point you'd just kill like every single monster. Too powerful.
As a fellow card game creator this is a really good core, have you thought about expanding it away from regular playing cards? Something like this would really stand out amongst all the mtg clones, my card game is also an rpg but it's a pvp oriented ccg so I'd be happy to chat and give ideas
As I notice a lack of it (maybe I simply couldn't find it), created a Discord server for the Tony Ngo games discussions and variants. Feel free to join =) discord.gg/F3Ev39
I was thinking about classes and they’re not worked out or anything, but just to get creativity started. Hunter: can combine multiple cards to defend/attack. So combined cards have to be more added up. (Because it has a pet to help) Shaman: can set 1 card aside so he can use it in another turn, when needed. That technically means he has 4 cards to choose from, but the token stays untill replaced. Can only have 1 token. (Like placing tokens) Necromancer: when discarting a card, he can discard as many cards from his hand as he wants and then takes that same amount of wound cards, technically exchanging them. Then he can use those cards to attack with. If he succesfully attacks the wound cards go back to the wound pile. If not, they are ‘gone’. OR When he discards he can also discard a wound to pick up a new ability card. Later with wound cards in your hand, when you discard you can also choose to put a wound card back to the wound pile. Its either choosing to trade a wound for an ability or an attack to gain a wound. Control over blood. (Like he uses blood magic. Not sure if this works, but maybe with some trial and error and some tweeks, you can make it work) Warlock: something sith curses. He doesnt kill immediately. Maybe he can attack any monster with any card but it takes a turn for them to die. Royals need a special treatment offcourse. But something like this. Healer/priest: he doesnt attack but can heal and defend with his abilities. No mechanics yet. Bard: he plays music that inspires and encourages his friends. He can choose not to attack to play music, so all the others can pick up an extra ability card. If the card is not used this turn it is immediately discarded. If its OP then make him choose someone to pick up a new card or something. Monk: no mechanic, but the idea that he is a peaceful martial artist and does not attack unless attacked. So something special in his defences. Putting his attacks in hos defence. Druid: changing forms. No mechanics yet, but maybe something with that he can choose to discard his whole hand to change form and have dofferent abilties. Between tank, dps, healer. Offcourse less powerful than the other existing ones. Engineer: something with building up his cards. Maybe the ability to combine 2 cards and put them aside for 1 turn. The next turn he can look for the number of the combined cards and put it in his hand. For example: draws a 3, 5, J. He puts away the 3 & 5. Keeps the jack for defence maybe and the next turn at phase 1 he puts the 3 & 5 im the discard pile and gets the 8 out of his deck into his hand. Everything that goes 13 or above, gives you a King. Remember that these are not worked through and or finished. I just made them up after watching the videos. So there are changes needed. But I hope it gives some inspiration like your videos gave me 😊
You can make abilities that trigger when discarding cards of various kinds. Like “when the rogue discards a 10, he kills any one card being blocked” or something.
The rouge can have a defensive back stab in which if he gets hurt by an enemy, he has the option to discard a card of the same suit to instantly kill the atacker, even if the card is a lower value.
I just found and saw both of your videos. It looks like a cool game to try and even though I haven’t tried it yet I had an idea based off of D&D “uncanny dodge” if a monster hasn’t been blocked that attacks him it misses but moves to the blocked space. It give his special attack more ability to do things and still goes with what a rouge can and would do. Given rouges are known for high dexterity and movement. Good luck building the rest of the game and thank you for sharing. I will be sharing these videos to my friends and I hope they enjoy it as much as i did.
The rogue can dodge as long as he has a card equal to or higher than the attacker. The effect of this is an attacker will not be put in the blocked position, also an attacker already in the blocked position can still be dodged
I like the Dodge mechanic, but I don't think it is strong enough. I'd like to add a second defensive ability: Counter Strike - When the rogue is wounded, if the value of the wound card is equal to or greater than the strength of the monster that caused it, that monster is slain.
My personal rouge defensive idea, Lockpick: rouge can re-use cards during the defense phase (using the same 6 against a 2,5, and 3), but the card is still discarded after the phase.
So was this a 2-4 player game Because how does that work for more than 2 people because wouldn't the 2 people have the other 2 quarters of the deck for health
The spade ability can be like a revenge technique of some sort, the when they attack the spade can be discarded but destroys the attacking card. This can only be used by discarding a card on your team.
A good idea is to have jockers as ultimate abilities that can be used only once. Warrior - Def ability - Every enemy attacks you this turn but they deal 1 dmg less. Paladin - Attack Ability - Everyone this turn can play thier wound cards if they have any.Playing wound cards heals the player and forces player to draw another card. Mage - Def ability - Freeze all enemies.Next turn they take 1 less dmg for example to kill 5 now you need 6 and to kill an ace you need an ace because there's no stronger card than ace. Rouge - Attack ability - Your ability now costs 1 card this turn.Flip a coin 2 times.If you get heads once you can use you ability 2 times this turn.If you get heads 2 times you can use your ability 3 times this turn.
-Wow, in this act the warrior becomes so overpowered he breaks the game.- -Unless I'm doing something wrong. The warrior can use any card, even wound cards, even lower-value card, to block any monster, even unblockable ones, even ones attacking other characters, right? I mean, the rules say "can block any monster with any card", and the video says "think about it, there's a lot of depth behind this one". This encourages the player to take that sentence at face value and apply it as it reads: ANY monster, ANY card.- -I mean, it really isn't long before gameplay becomes "Other character kills one monster; warrior kills one, warrior blocks the other two." Or possibly "other character kills one, warrior blocks remaining three". Rinse and repeat. And repeat. And repeat. I had to stop playing before I got halfway, it seriously stopped being fun.- _EDIT - Never mind! :-D I was totally playing with a broken rule, where you could block any numbers of attacks in the defense phase as long as you had the cards to do it, but the written rules do specify "one card to block one monster". So what I was saying was totally wrong, and fixing it made sense. Yes, the warrior can use wound cards to attack AND defend now, and yes, the warrior can block unblockable monsters, and yes, the warrior can block monsters attacking the OTHER player... but... if he can only block once, then that balances EVERYTHING out!_ Incidently, I'd also really like to know whether the rogue can assassinate Gods. The rules don't specify, and thematically I'd say not (come on, if you need a special card (read, special weapon or move) to kill a God, how likely is it that a character can do it with just their regular weapons or skillsets?), but I'd really like confirmation.
I think this should be a rogue defense. Kind of like the assassinate ability, you can discard two cards and any cards that are attacking the rogue are nullified.
Rogue defense: maybe they can dodge an attacking monster if it's lower than their topmost card or their discard pile. Dodging feels good for a speedy, rogue-type, and I guess it would have to be once per turn. Obviously it would turn on and off when their is no discard, but it would change the rogue's gameplay in that now he'd want to discard cards, which plays with/works against his attacking ability. I honestly have not played this game at all, but that's just my first thought.
Ability for the rouge may include a "strike back" when ever you take damage, the damaging monster gets destroyed, if it is a god card, it takes 2 turns of damage by the same God to be destroyed.
i think i cool ability would be a back stab, where if the rouge is attacked, they can either play a card from his/her hand, or the top card of his/her draw pile and use the card to back stab whatever hit them. lets say they use a two card on a seven card monster though, then the monster would be booted down to a five card
Based on what everyone said the rogue would need another deck or the suit to play like a effects based deck or have dice or coin to figure out the dodge mechanic but I don’t think that what tony wants to do for the rogues defensive move or you could add a coin and state which side is dodge or free attack but I doubt that because that adds two mechanics into the game instead of one or you could have paper to keep track
hey, I had an idea for active active abilities. Maybe they ar OP, so I'd like to hear about possible drawbacks. These abilities can be triggered during the attacking phase, when you discard an Ace card from your hand to your discard deck. The Warrior activates Berserker Mode, and be able to attack twice for the round and the next one. for that, he would have to discard a wound card along with the ace, and need any class cards two values lower to slay a monster. blocking woundn't change, but the warrior would take only one damage per attack from bosses for the duration of the 2 rounds, and wound cards used to attack should still need the standard values to hit Paladin could abdicate from attacking for the round and be able to restore all health from any player's hands and a total of five wound cards from both players main deck/discard deck, putting the restored wounds cards in the wound discard pile and shuffling the wound deck and the wound discard pile back together The Rogue would activate Series of Assassination. He could kill has many monsters as he want every round with any value of class cards on his hand and cannot be attacked by any monster. Doesn't work against gods. This effect lasts untill: player slays a monster using a lower than required value of class card; after 3 rounds including the one where the ability is activated. The Mage would activate Storm Tempest, when he would discard one other class card of his hand, and all monsters with lower values than the discarded card are instantly destroyed by a storm of arcane energy. The mage can't attack or deffend again for this round and the next one, but his ice shield may still be activated
This is pretty cool stuff, man. I don't know if you're still thinking about this game at all, but here's an idea for the Rogue defensive power: when you get hit, look at the top three cards of the monster deck and rearrange them in any order.
I'd say this is too weak. You want to cycle through the monster deck fast and rearranging will only stall for a few turns max, but will then result in a much harder line of attack for the players.
@@chofmann I don't think of it as stalling so much as matching what's coming to what's in your hand. You wouldn't necessarily arrange the cards you looked at with the largest number furthest down; your priority would be to bring forward the largest card you know you can beat. Suppose on my turn I have 10 8 2 in my hand, and am threatened by a J and 8 of my colour. I would attack with the 8, leaving me facing that J with only the 10 and 2 in mind-- not enough to block. I take damage, and look at the top 3 cards: 10, 4, 6. I could arrange them 4->6->10, but I have what I need to beat that 10 next turn without wasting a high card on one much lower than it, so I should actually put the 10 on top of the stack. There are other possible considerations, too. Suppose I draw 10 8 8 and one of those 8s is my suit. If I have a lot of wounds or low cards in my deck, I might put that 8 on top so that I can remove something from my deck next turn, even if I have to use my 10 to do it. There's more strategy involved than just delaying high cards.
@@Lazarus178 Valid point, but wouldn't that need some kind of rules about how open players can be about their hand or would you consider it okay if the rogue knows the exact hand of another player while doing this?
@@chofmann A ruling about table-talk is probably a good idea regardless. I think to figure out what that rule should be I would want to play it a couple of times each with no talk about hands, only non-specific talk, and complete openness, and see what was the best experience.
Rogue can use 2 cards to block. If the combined strenght of the cards(for a 4 and 7 that would be the Jack) is equal or higherthan the attacking card the he takes no damage
So with the abilities do they get both the defensive and the offensive or do you play it like two times one without the gods and with the offensive then play again with the defense ones instead with the gods added or do you play with both abilities but I think the idea is awesome definitely will try it with my friends
For rouge's they can have any thing targeting them hit an outher enemy or they can only be hit by number cards or only by face cards or something sneekey like that
Rouge could have a poison ability that will lower the number of a attacking card by like 1 or 2 giving your team an easier chance to take it out next round (won’t work on the gods)
on the document in the link, the rogue defensive ability isn't complete. it has Dodge fully described. the poison one ends with "the monster is flipped, it's value becomes" what is that supposed to end with?
+Tony Ngo oh okay. thanks for clarifying. So the dodge ability is the only defense ability for the rogue? I'm just trying to understand. I like that mechanic as well
+Tony Ngo I really liked the poison cloak idea. what was that value supposed to be? I wanna try it out and see what it'll do. another idea could be a counterattack similar to mtg, except make it applicable only for a difference of 3 or so. for example, a monster of 5 gets blocked by an 8, so the monster dies. idk what a good difference would be to not make that overpowered though
Maybe if Poison is a subtraction of the enemy's value? Like if you have a nine, but play a three on it, it becomes a six? Jacks are eleven, Queens are twelve, Kings are thirteen, or a queen with a five becomes a seven. It would naturally weaken the royals' attacks as well, because when someone is effected by poison, they aren't as effective. I don't know how to use that, and have the card still available, so barring use of a third deck or dice, maybe leave the poison cards on the poisoned enemies until they die, then the poison is accessible again for the rogue to use. More powerful poisons kill the enemies quicker, and if not outright kill, make them easy pickings for anyone else that attacks them, but the tradeoff is it takes the rogue a little longer to recover/get in position for the next enemy, i.e. circle around them to backstab them/hide in shadows for a turn/etc.
For pvp maybe do the same thing for monsters except you take half of the deck, being half red and half black, and shuffle those and split it in half so you have a quarter of the deck. the other 3 quarters go between health and attack. the quarter that was shuffled at the start of setup is used as like the monster pile is in act I and you play like that, same attack and health rules as act I and having the seperate classes. both players can be the same class but must be opposite colors if they are. it's open for modification and suggestions since it is just a little idea.
Rogue ability: Poisoned Daggers When attacked by a non-God monster, the rogue can use any spade card to block by placing that card under the monster with the number showing, but they still become wounded. When the next round comes, the monster has an attack equal to the original value minus the "poison" the rogue left behind, allowing it to be more easily defeated, returning the poison to the rogue's discard pile.
Idea for Rogue defensive ability: *Dodge*: You can block any monster attacking you from the main lane by discarding two Spades of any value. If both Spades are of equal or greater value than the monster, the monster does not move to the block lane. This gives the Rogue a choice to make every round; assuming their hand has three Spades, they can choose to Assassinate and block normally, or do a regular attack and hold up for Dodge. But if they accumulate too many wounds, their power and flexibility will start to diminish in the late game.
I havent tried the game yet (imma watch all the videos and read the instructions first) but why dont you make the rouge have a counter attack ability for the defense round. Or maybe sneak attack, he could go after a blocked card on his ally's side.
-I'd really like for Act III to come out.- _(EDIT - It has!)_ About the rogue, thinking thematically, there are some suggestions out there which rely on drawing a card and, if the card is a certain value... or, as the rules say, the player calls it odd/even, and if they're right... ...but these "if's" rather undermine their defensive ability, right? The rogue's the only character dependant on chance for their defensive ability. In a game where the warrior can suddenly be so overpowered as to block anyone, even blocked monsters even ones not attacking him, even using his wound cards, makes little sense to undercut the rogue this much (unless he can assassinate even Gods when discarding two cards. But I get the feeling he can't). Characterwise I'd go against counterattack, but that's my personal view. My take on the rogue is that he is a stealthy character, therefore his preferred method of choice is not to even ALLOW ROOM for an attack in the first place. If he has to counterattack, then he's already failed at his primary style, because that means the enemy spotted them and took a swing at them. Dodging and counterattacking are possible at this stage, but the point of class abilities is probably to play the character to its highest degree, and the highest degree of a rogue is probably more akin to "I'm not there, you never saw me, and when you turned around to look I killed you" than "I'm the fencing master, I can dodge anything and everything". So my suggestion might be simpler. I haven't read all of these comments, but I haven't seen this suggested yet. Simply: the monster misses, because, when he swung at the rogue, the rogue wasn't there anymore. Implementation would be, the first monster which attacks the rogue, going left to right, will miss. The rogue doesn't have to block. The monster probably won't miss again, though, so the monster goes into the unblockable lane. The next monster to attack the rogue this turn, if there are any, won't be as clueless, though. Alternatively, the monster who missed could now be confused and dazed, and instead of being moved to the UNBLOCKABLE lane, they could get a similar effect to the mage's "Frozen" status. I don't like that too much, because it duplicates the mage, but thematically it fits. -I'll try playing it this way and see how it works. Heh, I wish I had other people to play this with, but this can be played solo pretty well. I can control both characters. If anything, it makes it easier to strategize. Maybe TOO easier. ;)- _EDIT - I never actually did get around to playing this. I actually avoided using the rogue altogether._
Joker is the next level up(idk supergods). Requires 2 face cards to kill and disables abilities while on the field. Deals 2 damage(cause theres only 2 jokers a deck nd color code)
I'm sure you chose a defensive rogue ability by now, but as I only just discovered this amazing video and creative game, I'll still share my ideas. My first thought was Dodge. Once per defense phase, instead of taking a wound card if attacked, the Rogue instead destroys a card from their discard. Scouting, at the end of the defense phase, you can switch one unblocked monster with the next card in the monster deck. Backstab, you may use any card to kill a monster blocked by an ally this phase.
Idea for jokers: put one at the end as a final boss, the joker will do 1 damage to each player every turn until it dies, it can be blocked one time per person by a royal card or an ace, each player has to attack it at the same time with everyone doing at least 7 damage to it in order to kill it
Alternatively, you could have 2 jokers at the end with black attacking black and red attacking red, or maybe a joker in the middle of the deck that takes less damage to kill it
OMG This game is amazing!!! Me and my friend have been playing both acts lately and are loving it! But we just wish that there was an act III and in there you would use the jokers. Have you thought about making act III? Also I have an idea for the rogue's defense ability. Basically the warriors defense abilitys ( can defend anything with a lower value card ) should be the rogues abilitys. So the rogue has that ability as in shows and animes n stuff you see like sly people with mini daggers attacking the big monsters. And the warriors defense ability should be like frost armour but it stuns them instead. Note we have not tested these so it is probably really unbalanced :/
how about Dagger's Trust blocking up to 2 cards but has to re move two lower numbers or Attentive Stance Which would make him not play but heal/ destroy up to 3, low cards like 3-0,2-1,1-2,or 0-3.
This game is so unpridctable and fun. I was playing it alone with the rogue and paladin player. As a single player I had to manage the healths of both the characters myself. I took turns to make two attacks and two turns to do the defence. And you guys might not believe it. Using Paladin's health regeneration and rogue's dodge I managed to have 2 and 4 health cards left for the rogue and paladin respectively. The last hand for the monsters was dealt. So the four cards included an 8(black), 9(black), 3(red) and A(Zeus), which means 0 health for rogue and 2 for paladin I killed 3 and 8 by attacking with both the rogue and paladin and dodged 9's attack by using rogue's ability. Being a black card, Zeus attacked the rogue and I lost the game to the last god. If only had one red monster card in the monster hand, I could have used Paladin's defence ability and would have revived one health of the rogue as i had one health card (red) in Rogue's hand. As I am writing this comment the last card which happens to be Zeus is sitting alone in the monster hand and staring back at me. I am beginning to love this game
After 5 min I realised if I had continued the game as Paladin I would have won it. Zeus (black) won't attack Paladin (red). I would have eventually dealt myseld an Ace from the attack deck and would have defeated Zeus.
When a player is dead the monsters that would attack him attack the remaining player instead. Really nice comment though, i played 2 games yesterday aswell
It seems to me the rouge option would be stealth right? So what if the rouge’s passive was to be able to miss one attack if they have no wounds. The monster that missed would be off kilter/stymied and can either be stalled like the mage passive or blocked, player’s choice.
Rogue could have a counter ability or reversal. Perhaps every block with the rogue kills the attacker, or every attack on the rogue relies on a successful coin toss. You mentioned that the mage needed a strong defensive ability, so maybe you could give the rogue one as well with the coin (allowing the rogue to call heads or tails before the throw to add to the roguishness of it) or maybe the rogue could be more of a glass cannon compared to the other classes.
I would consider that too strong. Getting rid of cards is not a bad thing and this mechanic would be game breaking for a paladin/rogue duo. If anything, I would let him dodge by re-adding a removed card. This will not only potentially weaken his deck but also means he des have a strong intensive to always remove cards.
@@cinnamonbulla Oh hey. So you finally checked Act III. To be honest, I asked you that question just after Act III was announced, as a way to get you to check without ruining the surprise. But I'm still happy for you, so have fun with Act III (though it functions a little differently).
What about this? Rogue has Shadow walk as defensive ability. If a no-god attacks you, you take 1 wound but became the shadow of a monster of your choice and the other monster attacks it.
The rogue, in the attack phase, can discard two cards to instakill anyone. So maybe in the defense phase, he can choose to take three wound cards to instakill his/her attacker.
I don't know how I feel about this. It strongly depends on when you re-draw your hand. Let's say, you redraw after your attack phase. That way you can basically kill two arbitrary enemies each turn. Also, the downside of using two cards (that is, you may have to discard a strong block) is completely irrelevant here. That'd be too strong. If however you only redraw after each turn, you would basically never attack anything and just kill whatever attacks you, since there is no real incentive to risk damage.
@@chofmann I think you haven't seen the first video, because I don't really understand what your point is. The discard two cards to kill someone is already part of the game, I just said it to remind people of that rule before giving my suggestion for a defensive ability, which would be instead of just getting hit and taking a wound card, you take 3 wound cards and in return, your attacker dies. This would be a high risk high reward thing since you're taking a lot of damage and dealing a lot of damage.
Ok good game but i dont know how to play in trio or four players, how many monsters should be on center? 5? 6? still 4? , in trio how mosnters attacks?
I have a suggestion make a link To a page where you post all the rules to the game and all the abilities and what the god do so if people want to play this They don’t have to write down the rules himself so it’s easier and more simple to play
This would be PERFECT if only needed just 1 deck to play. The need of 2 decks doesn`t make it compact. Maybe there is a way to trick it, I don`t know. Of course, it is a great system, the best out there probably. Cheers, man :)
Actually it is pretty compact, think about a dnd setup, now think about 2 decks of cards that 2 people could hold or one person within their bag or pockets
What's happening man.... I love this game... You said that there were 4 acts... Were you able to continue working on it? I'd love to know how it goes...
here is an idea use 10 hart cards as 10 hp points and diffrent characters have diffrent amount of hp like rouge has 10 while mage has 7 and warrior has 14(10+J+Q+K) and pali has 12 (10+J+Q)
Allow the rogue to look at the top two or three cards of their deck and substitute one of them for a card in their hand during the block phase. Sleight of Hand, or Cheat
maybe the rogue takes x1,5 damage but can discard a royal to nullify damage he receives during the turn or he can discard the whole hand instead... I never played tho so I don't really know how this would affect rogue's gameplay
Late to the party but rogue could sucker punch meaning the monster targeting him lose « hp » ie jack attack rogue he immediately transform the jack into the last monster from the graveyard of the same suit like a 6 that was killed 3turn ago So now the rogue can have an Easier time blocking (ability can be use any number of time since you still have to deal with the monster)
+Awesome Bros Elite got it. Would that cap it to just four turns since ur doing four 90 degree rotations before it gets back to the same spot? Based on your testing, is the ability too strong or weak?
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God: *comes out*
God: Haha you can’t defeat me without an *ace*
Rouge: hmm these twos look pretty *_d i s c a r d a b l e_*
So true
Can the rogue do that
@@brainbean3104 I changed so that gods have two lifes but can be damaged by any royals and/or abilities.
Lmao
I reskinned the Gods as the Four Horsemen which I find is fitting lore wise as well. Poseidon = Death hits one person hard. Hera = War. Two players attack each other. Hades = Famine. You are starved of useful cards. Zeus = Pestilence. Everyone gets hit by a disease.
Devin Baird brilliant
@@BigMcStronghuge Thank you!
Ooh, I like that branding even better! 😍
In addition maybe add a old-west style to the whole game in general? Change the classes like mage to gunslinger. I know it would affect the story, but since the game uses playing cards decks, it fits in a traditional way, and even better with your Four Horsemen idea.
There's no pestilence horseman, but there's a conquest one 🤓
Hades: comes into play hahahahaha you are all going to suffer
warrior: thank you
The rogue can also benefit from this because he can target monsters with it.
Gemma Boulter I going to do what's called a pro gamer move
@@christopherf8812 The rogue can't. The written rules say the rogue can discard "two CLASS cards" to assassinate, so it doesn't include wounds. There's a bunch of important, easy-to-miss stuff like this in the rules, my first-ever playthrough was totally wrong. :)
I think rogue should have a counterattack ability. He flips over the top card of his wound deck and adds it to his regular deck, as if taking damage. If the card is higher than the attacker, it destroys that card. If it is lower than the attacker, the rogue will take the damage that was supposed to be dealt.
I love this Counterstrike mechanic. I might also add the Dodge ability which would function as a block, but would not move monsters into the Block zone and would be usable against monsters already in the Block zone.
I like the feel of the chance-y dodge mechanic. That said, I think the counterattack ability would be a good fit too, like Rogues had Riposte in D&D 4E. It seems a little OP though, so to offset it, combine it with Dodge's mechanic, except you only dodge a targeted attacker, not all attackers, but if the top card is higher as well, it kills the enemy. It's a risky gambit however, as it's possible to beat the enemy and still take damage, as if you don't successfully dodge, but you hit with the counterattack, you could kill the enemy, but still get hurt in the process.
Barry Goldberg I like this one the best. The other defense abilities seem tame in comparison. Buy someone would need to do the math on the efficacy of each ability to ensure no one character is overpowered.
I really like this ability I just can’t decide if he counterattack card should be from the discard or the wound pile because I don’t know if I want the eliminated cards from the attack deck to better the chance of a successful counterattack or not
@M Avrit thank
Hades: *comes out* muahahahaha your deck is now filled by wound cards!
Warrior:
*Insert One Punch Man meme*
...
Ok.
@@martinaguilar5646 falcon puch
*paladin slowly realizing that he can bulk-heal his partner now that he’s vunrable*
Idea for Rogue ability:
Because rogues are sneaky, bigger cards don’t notice them. 10s and Royals will move into the block lane but won’t attack the Rogue until next turn.
Clever
So, Act II is for people who want more of ascension?
I'm lovin it.
Can you do a gameplay with one of your friends please i dont understand some of it
agreed
Same
This game is absolutely amazing ! I have play it a lot recently and tried a bunch of different things and came up with some sort of variation of this game, changing Gods to have continuous effect instead of only when they arrive, changing how abilities and death work. If someone is interrested here is a link to a google doc with these rules :
docs.google.com/document/d/1HJslC9gLt61qhYRX3repF6o6YAosoYCUogoCM03gMtE/edit?usp=sharing
@@heeaven17 wouldn't you just use the suit to determine aggro then?
@@heeaven17 If you're playing with 4 players then you can just use 3 deck, 1 for monsters (or 2 if it's too easy) and 2 for class cards and wound cards and have monsters attack players based on the suit. If you're playing with 3 player you manage monsters like with 4 players, then with the monsters corresponding to no player, you have 2 choice, you either remove them or make these monster attack depending of the value of the card, for exemple you can make 2, 5, 10 and K attack one player, 3, 6, 9 and Q attack another player and 4, 7, 8 and J attack the last player (since the aces don't attack with my set of rules then their suit as no impact here)
Been playing your variant, which is really great.
For now, may I suggest a couple of things for the Rogue:
- Assassination: You may use 2 cards combined to attack a monster (Adding their values instead of Instakilling any monster).
- Assassination: It must be clear if Assassination works to kill a God (I'm playing as Yes, it can...)
- Dodge: Only work once per turn.
- Counter: Only work once per turn. If the value of the FIRST card is higher than the attacker monster.
Anyone created a Discord server about this?
Edit: Now I notice that the * means you can only use once per turn... I suggest writing it on each ability instead of the *.
Edit 2: What's the reason of Mage's Teleport? (Except teaming up with a Warrior with Determination)
By the way, created a Discord for it if you guys want to join: discord.gg/F3Ev39
I think that a cool ability for the rogue would some sort of ability where when a rogue is hit, he gets a free attack on whatever attacked him, and still gets to draw a card back after the attack. It would add the element of extra damage to the rogues capabilities, and where the rogue can get more enemies out of the way, to free up for other players. Thoughts?
+Izaak Golden I like that mechanic, it fits with the theme of a rogue and it would be a unique defensive ability compared to the other classes. How would the free attack work? Maybe you can draw an extra card when you're hit and if its equal or higher to the attacking monster, you can counterattack?
How about this, if the rouge takes damage, the monster that attacked him is bleading out meaning that it decreases over time. Example: king attacks, goes down to queen, then jack, then 10, and eventuality all the way to 2
Like that idea, but I think it would be hard to keep track of. Dunno
@@ManoftheBats I like that!
What it the rogue take damage it uses one card wound that it just took to attack the damaging monster
When's Act III coming?
@@helios6646 Oh dang, you're right. Thanks
@@realsherbetman in part one he said that it has four acts so maybe there is a third act? I just want cool games
@@gnosticgalass4696 He did say this is the last act so either he lengthend the videos to get more in each than he originally planned or decided to leave out some mechanics he was planning.
He says it’s meant to be the final act, but he didn’t finish Act 2! The Rogue still has no defense mechanism.
Marksman
He did say in the pin comment of act I that he have act III on his computer
So here's my idea for the Rogue's Counterattack
Once per turn, when the rogue is attacked they can flip over the wound card they take as damage. If the value of the wound card is greater than the value of the attacking card, the monster is destroyed and the wound goes back to the health deck. If attacked by a royal, the rogue can flip over both wound cards and counterattack with the higher card.
If the wound card drawn is a lower value than the attacking card, the damage is taken as normal.
This gives the rogue a chance to parry and counterattack to avoid taking damage, but the success of the counterattack is left to chance.
As an assassin, this also makes the rogue especially good against royals, but weak against normal mobs or large numbers. It balances the fact that his hand will always be pretty empty thanks to his assassinate ability, and means that the more wounds he takes, the less effective his counterattack is, but the more wounds he takes can better facilitate his assassinations.
Even though he may attack recklessly by throwing out both daggers, he still has a chance to pull out a save at the last second
Nice video and nice game bro. I do create my own games too.
The rogue is also an assassin, so here's my idea for him.
If it happens that the attacking monster has THE SAME number (or royal type) as the TOP CARD of your discard pile, you as a rogue just kill that monster on the spot. No card needed.
This brings another level of strategy playing the rogue since you must anticipate the moves of the monsters and try to get the right card on your discard pile at the right moment.
Fits well imo.
maybe if the attacking monster has the same number or royal type, instead of only on the top, it is any card in the pile
@@realperson9951 if I understand the rules well, the discard pile is going to grow quite fast. At some point you'd just kill like every single monster. Too powerful.
I just read your Google Doc, and I dig the Dodge ability you chose. Looks effective and not too powerful. 👍🏾
As a fellow card game creator this is a really good core, have you thought about expanding it away from regular playing cards?
Something like this would really stand out amongst all the mtg clones, my card game is also an rpg but it's a pvp oriented ccg so I'd be happy to chat and give ideas
As I notice a lack of it (maybe I simply couldn't find it), created a Discord server for the Tony Ngo games discussions and variants. Feel free to join =)
discord.gg/F3Ev39
I was thinking about classes and they’re not worked out or anything, but just to get creativity started.
Hunter: can combine multiple cards to defend/attack. So combined cards have to be more added up. (Because it has a pet to help)
Shaman: can set 1 card aside so he can use it in another turn, when needed. That technically means he has 4 cards to choose from, but the token stays untill replaced. Can only have 1 token. (Like placing tokens)
Necromancer: when discarting a card, he can discard as many cards from his hand as he wants and then takes that same amount of wound cards, technically exchanging them. Then he can use those cards to attack with. If he succesfully attacks the wound cards go back to the wound pile. If not, they are ‘gone’.
OR
When he discards he can also discard a wound to pick up a new ability card. Later with wound cards in your hand, when you discard you can also choose to put a wound card back to the wound pile. Its either choosing to trade a wound for an ability or an attack to gain a wound. Control over blood.
(Like he uses blood magic. Not sure if this works, but maybe with some trial and error and some tweeks, you can make it work)
Warlock: something sith curses. He doesnt kill immediately. Maybe he can attack any monster with any card but it takes a turn for them to die. Royals need a special treatment offcourse. But something like this.
Healer/priest: he doesnt attack but can heal and defend with his abilities. No mechanics yet.
Bard: he plays music that inspires and encourages his friends. He can choose not to attack to play music, so all the others can pick up an extra ability card. If the card is not used this turn it is immediately discarded. If its OP then make him choose someone to pick up a new card or something.
Monk: no mechanic, but the idea that he is a peaceful martial artist and does not attack unless attacked. So something special in his defences. Putting his attacks in hos defence.
Druid: changing forms. No mechanics yet, but maybe something with that he can choose to discard his whole hand to change form and have dofferent abilties. Between tank, dps, healer. Offcourse less powerful than the other existing ones.
Engineer: something with building up his cards. Maybe the ability to combine 2 cards and put them aside for 1 turn. The next turn he can look for the number of the combined cards and put it in his hand. For example: draws a 3, 5, J. He puts away the 3 & 5. Keeps the jack for defence maybe and the next turn at phase 1 he puts the 3 & 5 im the discard pile and gets the 8 out of his deck into his hand. Everything that goes 13 or above, gives you a King.
Remember that these are not worked through and or finished. I just made them up after watching the videos. So there are changes needed. But I hope it gives some inspiration like your videos gave me 😊
You can make abilities that trigger when discarding cards of various kinds. Like “when the rogue discards a 10, he kills any one card being blocked” or something.
The rouge can have a defensive back stab in which if he gets hurt by an enemy, he has the option to discard a card of the same suit to instantly kill the atacker, even if the card is a lower value.
I just found and saw both of your videos. It looks like a cool game to try and even though I haven’t tried it yet I had an idea based off of D&D “uncanny dodge” if a monster hasn’t been blocked that attacks him it misses but moves to the blocked space. It give his special attack more ability to do things and still goes with what a rouge can and would do. Given rouges are known for high dexterity and movement. Good luck building the rest of the game and thank you for sharing. I will be sharing these videos to my friends and I hope they enjoy it as much as i did.
The rogue can dodge as long as he has a card equal to or higher than the attacker. The effect of this is an attacker will not be put in the blocked position, also an attacker already in the blocked position can still be dodged
I like the Dodge mechanic, but I don't think it is strong enough. I'd like to add a second defensive ability: Counter Strike - When the rogue is wounded, if the value of the wound card is equal to or greater than the strength of the monster that caused it, that monster is slain.
That counter strike sounds more like a berserk. Rogues do not usually do extra stuff when damaged. Quite the contrary.
My personal rouge defensive idea, Lockpick: rouge can re-use cards during the defense phase (using the same 6 against a 2,5, and 3), but the card is still discarded after the phase.
So was this a 2-4 player game
Because how does that work for more than 2 people because wouldn't the 2 people have the other 2 quarters of the deck for health
Grab 1 more deck, give each player opposite colored piles as the wound deck
The spade ability can be like a revenge technique of some sort, the when they attack the spade can be discarded but destroys the attacking card. This can only be used by discarding a card on your team.
Maybe there could be someway to add a shop. That might add to the deck building experience.
A good idea is to have jockers as ultimate abilities that can be used only once.
Warrior - Def ability - Every enemy attacks you this turn but they deal 1 dmg less.
Paladin - Attack Ability - Everyone this turn can play thier wound cards if they have any.Playing wound cards heals the player and forces player to draw another card.
Mage - Def ability - Freeze all enemies.Next turn they take 1 less dmg for example to kill 5 now you need 6 and to kill an ace you need an ace because there's no stronger card than ace.
Rouge - Attack ability - Your ability now costs 1 card this turn.Flip a coin 2 times.If you get heads once you can use you ability 2 times this turn.If you get heads 2 times you can use your ability 3 times this turn.
either let the rogue block an unblockable monster, or let the rogue draw a card before blocking.
you desirve more subs we need to put somone inevative like you out to the world
for the rogue defensive ability, evade is a good idea. we tried it out works great
Rogue Ability: Resourcefulness.
The rogue gains an extra draw phase before the defend phase.
-Wow, in this act the warrior becomes so overpowered he breaks the game.-
-Unless I'm doing something wrong. The warrior can use any card, even wound cards, even lower-value card, to block any monster, even unblockable ones, even ones attacking other characters, right? I mean, the rules say "can block any monster with any card", and the video says "think about it, there's a lot of depth behind this one". This encourages the player to take that sentence at face value and apply it as it reads: ANY monster, ANY card.-
-I mean, it really isn't long before gameplay becomes "Other character kills one monster; warrior kills one, warrior blocks the other two." Or possibly "other character kills one, warrior blocks remaining three". Rinse and repeat. And repeat. And repeat. I had to stop playing before I got halfway, it seriously stopped being fun.-
_EDIT - Never mind! :-D I was totally playing with a broken rule, where you could block any numbers of attacks in the defense phase as long as you had the cards to do it, but the written rules do specify "one card to block one monster". So what I was saying was totally wrong, and fixing it made sense. Yes, the warrior can use wound cards to attack AND defend now, and yes, the warrior can block unblockable monsters, and yes, the warrior can block monsters attacking the OTHER player... but... if he can only block once, then that balances EVERYTHING out!_
Incidently, I'd also really like to know whether the rogue can assassinate Gods. The rules don't specify, and thematically I'd say not (come on, if you need a special card (read, special weapon or move) to kill a God, how likely is it that a character can do it with just their regular weapons or skillsets?), but I'd really like confirmation.
Would love an ACT III.
I think this should be a rogue defense. Kind of like the assassinate ability, you can discard two cards and any cards that are attacking the rogue are nullified.
A wild warrior appeaered!
Hades used wound card!
It hurts itself in confusion!
Rogue defense: maybe they can dodge an attacking monster if it's lower than their topmost card or their discard pile. Dodging feels good for a speedy, rogue-type, and I guess it would have to be once per turn. Obviously it would turn on and off when their is no discard, but it would change the rogue's gameplay in that now he'd want to discard cards, which plays with/works against his attacking ability. I honestly have not played this game at all, but that's just my first thought.
Ability for the rouge may include a "strike back" when ever you take damage, the damaging monster gets destroyed, if it is a god card, it takes 2 turns of damage by the same God to be destroyed.
i think i cool ability would be a back stab, where if the rouge is attacked, they can either play a card from his/her hand, or the top card of his/her draw pile and use the card to back stab whatever hit them. lets say they use a two card on a seven card monster though, then the monster would be booted down to a five card
Based on what everyone said the rogue would need another deck or the suit to play like a effects based deck or have dice or coin to figure out the dodge mechanic but I don’t think that what tony wants to do for the rogues defensive move or you could add a coin and state which side is dodge or free attack but I doubt that because that adds two mechanics into the game instead of one or you could have paper to keep track
hey, I had an idea for active active abilities. Maybe they ar OP, so I'd like to hear about possible drawbacks. These abilities can be triggered during the attacking phase, when you discard an Ace card from your hand to your discard deck.
The Warrior activates Berserker Mode, and be able to attack twice for the round and the next one. for that, he would have to discard a wound card along with the ace, and need any class cards two values lower to slay a monster. blocking woundn't change, but the warrior would take only one damage per attack from bosses for the duration of the 2 rounds, and wound cards used to attack should still need the standard values to hit
Paladin could abdicate from attacking for the round and be able to restore all health from any player's hands and a total of five wound cards from both players main deck/discard deck, putting the restored wounds cards in the wound discard pile and shuffling the wound deck and the wound discard pile back together
The Rogue would activate Series of Assassination. He could kill has many monsters as he want every round with any value of class cards on his hand and cannot be attacked by any monster. Doesn't work against gods. This effect lasts untill: player slays a monster using a lower than required value of class card; after 3 rounds including the one where the ability is activated.
The Mage would activate Storm Tempest, when he would discard one other class card of his hand, and all monsters with lower values than the discarded card are instantly destroyed by a storm of arcane energy. The mage can't attack or deffend again for this round and the next one, but his ice shield may still be activated
Maybe the rogue can discard any 1 card to “hide” from one enemy card, making it so that enemy card can’t target the rogue that turn.
I wonder how this could be turned into a fully fledged web based game might have to look into that
This is pretty cool stuff, man. I don't know if you're still thinking about this game at all, but here's an idea for the Rogue defensive power: when you get hit, look at the top three cards of the monster deck and rearrange them in any order.
I'd say this is too weak. You want to cycle through the monster deck fast and rearranging will only stall for a few turns max, but will then result in a much harder line of attack for the players.
@@chofmann I don't think of it as stalling so much as matching what's coming to what's in your hand. You wouldn't necessarily arrange the cards you looked at with the largest number furthest down; your priority would be to bring forward the largest card you know you can beat. Suppose on my turn I have 10 8 2 in my hand, and am threatened by a J and 8 of my colour. I would attack with the 8, leaving me facing that J with only the 10 and 2 in mind-- not enough to block. I take damage, and look at the top 3 cards: 10, 4, 6. I could arrange them 4->6->10, but I have what I need to beat that 10 next turn without wasting a high card on one much lower than it, so I should actually put the 10 on top of the stack. There are other possible considerations, too. Suppose I draw 10 8 8 and one of those 8s is my suit. If I have a lot of wounds or low cards in my deck, I might put that 8 on top so that I can remove something from my deck next turn, even if I have to use my 10 to do it. There's more strategy involved than just delaying high cards.
@@Lazarus178 Valid point, but wouldn't that need some kind of rules about how open players can be about their hand or would you consider it okay if the rogue knows the exact hand of another player while doing this?
@@chofmann A ruling about table-talk is probably a good idea regardless. I think to figure out what that rule should be I would want to play it a couple of times each with no talk about hands, only non-specific talk, and complete openness, and see what was the best experience.
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Rogue can use 2 cards to block. If the combined strenght of the cards(for a 4 and 7 that would be the Jack) is equal or higherthan the attacking card the he takes no damage
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So with the abilities do they get both the defensive and the offensive or do you play it like two times one without the gods and with the offensive then play again with the defense ones instead with the gods added or do you play with both abilities but I think the idea is awesome definitely will try it with my friends
rogue can discard his hand and cannot be attacked for one turn, but he has to do it before attacking.
For rouge's they can have any thing targeting them hit an outher enemy or they can only be hit by number cards or only by face cards or something sneekey like that
I think rouge should have something like cloak ability that he will not take damage untill he attacks
Rouge could have a poison ability that will lower the number of a attacking card by like 1 or 2 giving your team an easier chance to take it out next round (won’t work on the gods)
on the document in the link, the rogue defensive ability isn't complete. it has Dodge fully described. the poison one ends with "the monster is flipped, it's value becomes" what is that supposed to end with?
Thanks for the heads up. I removed the ability because it was an idea that didn't really work
+Tony Ngo oh okay. thanks for clarifying. So the dodge ability is the only defense ability for the rogue? I'm just trying to understand. I like that mechanic as well
+Aaron Mathis it's just an idea. I want to get other player's ideas of a defensive rogue ability since I'm fresh out of ideas :(
+Tony Ngo I really liked the poison cloak idea. what was that value supposed to be? I wanna try it out and see what it'll do. another idea could be a counterattack similar to mtg, except make it applicable only for a difference of 3 or so. for example, a monster of 5 gets blocked by an 8, so the monster dies. idk what a good difference would be to not make that overpowered though
Maybe if Poison is a subtraction of the enemy's value? Like if you have a nine, but play a three on it, it becomes a six? Jacks are eleven, Queens are twelve, Kings are thirteen, or a queen with a five becomes a seven. It would naturally weaken the royals' attacks as well, because when someone is effected by poison, they aren't as effective. I don't know how to use that, and have the card still available, so barring use of a third deck or dice, maybe leave the poison cards on the poisoned enemies until they die, then the poison is accessible again for the rogue to use. More powerful poisons kill the enemies quicker, and if not outright kill, make them easy pickings for anyone else that attacks them, but the tradeoff is it takes the rogue a little longer to recover/get in position for the next enemy, i.e. circle around them to backstab them/hide in shadows for a turn/etc.
For pvp maybe do the same thing for monsters except you take half of the deck, being half red and half black, and shuffle those and split it in half so you have a quarter of the deck. the other 3 quarters go between health and attack. the quarter that was shuffled at the start of setup is used as like the monster pile is in act I and you play like that, same attack and health rules as act I and having the seperate classes. both players can be the same class but must be opposite colors if they are.
it's open for modification and suggestions since it is just a little idea.
Still waiting for act III
Check his newest upload...
@@j123i thanks mate
Rogue ability: Poisoned Daggers
When attacked by a non-God monster, the rogue can use any spade card to block by placing that card under the monster with the number showing, but they still become wounded. When the next round comes, the monster has an attack equal to the original value minus the "poison" the rogue left behind, allowing it to be more easily defeated, returning the poison to the rogue's discard pile.
Idea for Rogue defensive ability:
*Dodge*: You can block any monster attacking you from the main lane by discarding two Spades of any value. If both Spades are of equal or greater value than the monster, the monster does not move to the block lane.
This gives the Rogue a choice to make every round; assuming their hand has three Spades, they can choose to Assassinate and block normally, or do a regular attack and hold up for Dodge. But if they accumulate too many wounds, their power and flexibility will start to diminish in the late game.
I havent tried the game yet (imma watch all the videos and read the instructions first) but why dont you make the rouge have a counter attack ability for the defense round. Or maybe sneak attack, he could go after a blocked card on his ally's side.
I thought the same about attacking an ally's blocked card. Called it Backstab. Glad to see someone else come up with it too. 😊
-I'd really like for Act III to come out.- _(EDIT - It has!)_ About the rogue, thinking thematically, there are some suggestions out there which rely on drawing a card and, if the card is a certain value... or, as the rules say, the player calls it odd/even, and if they're right...
...but these "if's" rather undermine their defensive ability, right? The rogue's the only character dependant on chance for their defensive ability. In a game where the warrior can suddenly be so overpowered as to block anyone, even blocked monsters even ones not attacking him, even using his wound cards, makes little sense to undercut the rogue this much (unless he can assassinate even Gods when discarding two cards. But I get the feeling he can't).
Characterwise I'd go against counterattack, but that's my personal view. My take on the rogue is that he is a stealthy character, therefore his preferred method of choice is not to even ALLOW ROOM for an attack in the first place. If he has to counterattack, then he's already failed at his primary style, because that means the enemy spotted them and took a swing at them. Dodging and counterattacking are possible at this stage, but the point of class abilities is probably to play the character to its highest degree, and the highest degree of a rogue is probably more akin to "I'm not there, you never saw me, and when you turned around to look I killed you" than "I'm the fencing master, I can dodge anything and everything".
So my suggestion might be simpler. I haven't read all of these comments, but I haven't seen this suggested yet. Simply: the monster misses, because, when he swung at the rogue, the rogue wasn't there anymore.
Implementation would be, the first monster which attacks the rogue, going left to right, will miss. The rogue doesn't have to block. The monster probably won't miss again, though, so the monster goes into the unblockable lane. The next monster to attack the rogue this turn, if there are any, won't be as clueless, though.
Alternatively, the monster who missed could now be confused and dazed, and instead of being moved to the UNBLOCKABLE lane, they could get a similar effect to the mage's "Frozen" status. I don't like that too much, because it duplicates the mage, but thematically it fits.
-I'll try playing it this way and see how it works. Heh, I wish I had other people to play this with, but this can be played solo pretty well. I can control both characters. If anything, it makes it easier to strategize. Maybe TOO easier. ;)- _EDIT - I never actually did get around to playing this. I actually avoided using the rogue altogether._
Joker is the next level up(idk supergods). Requires 2 face cards to kill and disables abilities while on the field. Deals 2 damage(cause theres only 2 jokers a deck nd color code)
How about the rouge being immune to damage if they killed a royal card (knight, queen, king or ace)
At 10:50, don't you take 2 damage cards, because the Queen attacked you?
Is there a discord or subreddit for discusing mechanics and casses and other stuff about this game? Cause if not there should be.
There isn't though if you want to make your own for fans and new ideas go for it this guy been inactive for a couple years
Would be nice. Theres much to discuss
I love those aces! What kind...brand? of cards are those?
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I'm sure you chose a defensive rogue ability by now, but as I only just discovered this amazing video and creative game, I'll still share my ideas.
My first thought was Dodge. Once per defense phase, instead of taking a wound card if attacked, the Rogue instead destroys a card from their discard. Scouting, at the end of the defense phase, you can switch one unblocked monster with the next card in the monster deck. Backstab, you may use any card to kill a monster blocked by an ally this phase.
Idea for jokers: put one at the end as a final boss, the joker will do 1 damage to each player every turn until it dies, it can be blocked one time per person by a royal card or an ace, each player has to attack it at the same time with everyone doing at least 7 damage to it in order to kill it
Alternatively, you could have 2 jokers at the end with black attacking black and red attacking red, or maybe a joker in the middle of the deck that takes less damage to kill it
Cool it's like the end boss
OMG This game is amazing!!! Me and my friend have been playing both acts lately and are loving it! But we just wish that there was an act III and in there you would use the jokers. Have you thought about making act III? Also I have an idea for the rogue's defense ability. Basically the warriors defense abilitys ( can defend anything with a lower value card ) should be the rogues abilitys. So the rogue has that ability as in shows and animes n stuff you see like sly people with mini daggers attacking the big monsters. And the warriors defense ability should be like frost armour but it stuns them instead. Note we have not tested these so it is probably really unbalanced :/
how about Dagger's Trust blocking up to 2 cards but has to re move two lower numbers or Attentive Stance Which would make him not play but heal/ destroy up to 3, low cards like 3-0,2-1,1-2,or 0-3.
Can anyone tell me what we do with the wound cards when Hades (I think it was) comes out?
@Muhammad Wingate I meant when you have them in your had and you're not a Paladin
This game is so unpridctable and fun.
I was playing it alone with the rogue and paladin player. As a single player I had to manage the healths of both the characters myself.
I took turns to make two attacks and two turns to do the defence.
And you guys might not believe it. Using Paladin's health regeneration and rogue's dodge I managed to have 2 and 4 health cards left for the rogue and paladin respectively.
The last hand for the monsters was dealt. So the four cards included an 8(black), 9(black), 3(red) and A(Zeus), which means 0 health for rogue and 2 for paladin
I killed 3 and 8 by attacking with both the rogue and paladin and dodged 9's attack by using rogue's ability. Being a black card, Zeus attacked the rogue and I lost the game to the last god.
If only had one red monster card in the monster hand, I could have used Paladin's defence ability and would have revived one health of the rogue as i had one health card (red) in Rogue's hand.
As I am writing this comment the last card which happens to be Zeus is sitting alone in the monster hand and staring back at me.
I am beginning to love this game
After 5 min I realised if I had continued the game as Paladin I would have won it. Zeus (black) won't attack Paladin (red). I would have eventually dealt myseld an Ace from the attack deck and would have defeated Zeus.
When a player is dead the monsters that would attack him attack the remaining player instead.
Really nice comment though, i played 2 games yesterday aswell
@@schierlingsbecher7778 Yeah, it occurred to me after 5 minutes.
Rogue's defensive ability might be dodge? Don't take damage and the dodging card has to wait 1 round to be used again?
It seems to me the rouge option would be stealth right? So what if the rouge’s passive was to be able to miss one attack if they have no wounds. The monster that missed would be off kilter/stymied and can either be stalled like the mage passive or blocked, player’s choice.
Rogue could have a counter ability or reversal. Perhaps every block with the rogue kills the attacker, or every attack on the rogue relies on a successful coin toss. You mentioned that the mage needed a strong defensive ability, so maybe you could give the rogue one as well with the coin (allowing the rogue to call heads or tails before the throw to add to the roguishness of it) or maybe the rogue could be more of a glass cannon compared to the other classes.
Could have the Rogue be able to dodge an attack by having to get rid of a card from the game(from hand or discard pile) except wounds.
I would consider that too strong. Getting rid of cards is not a bad thing and this mechanic would be game breaking for a paladin/rogue duo.
If anything, I would let him dodge by re-adding a removed card. This will not only potentially weaken his deck but also means he des have a strong intensive to always remove cards.
What if he could only dodge if he has no wounds in his hand.
ACT III, PLEASE
Is Act III here yet?
@@j123i now it is!
@@cinnamonbulla Oh hey. So you finally checked Act III. To be honest, I asked you that question just after Act III was announced, as a way to get you to check without ruining the surprise. But I'm still happy for you, so have fun with Act III (though it functions a little differently).
Zeus: “both players takes tune cards as damage”???? What?
@UCiqQgfl1PgOJ0uDoR7qdtrw, When I am playing Act II, should I use Defensive Abilities only, or I can use Defensive and Offensive abilities from act I?
What about this? Rogue has Shadow walk as defensive ability. If a no-god attacks you, you take 1 wound but became the shadow of a monster of your choice and the other monster attacks it.
The rogue, in the attack phase, can discard two cards to instakill anyone. So maybe in the defense phase, he can choose to take three wound cards to instakill his/her attacker.
I don't know how I feel about this. It strongly depends on when you re-draw your hand.
Let's say, you redraw after your attack phase. That way you can basically kill two arbitrary enemies each turn. Also, the downside of using two cards (that is, you may have to discard a strong block) is completely irrelevant here. That'd be too strong.
If however you only redraw after each turn, you would basically never attack anything and just kill whatever attacks you, since there is no real incentive to risk damage.
@@chofmann I think you haven't seen the first video, because I don't really understand what your point is. The discard two cards to kill someone is already part of the game, I just said it to remind people of that rule before giving my suggestion for a defensive ability, which would be instead of just getting hit and taking a wound card, you take 3 wound cards and in return, your attacker dies. This would be a high risk high reward thing since you're taking a lot of damage and dealing a lot of damage.
What about, for the rogue, if they destroy a monster, then an adjacent frozen and/or blocked monster is also destroyed.
Ok good game but i dont know how to play in trio or four players, how many monsters should be on center? 5? 6? still 4? , in trio how mosnters attacks?
Man i have a question, Why hades don't have some skill related to the death pile?
I have a suggestion make a link To a page where you post all the rules to the game and all the abilities and what the god do so if people want to play this They don’t have to write down the rules himself so it’s easier and more simple to play
Rouge defensive ability, when attacked, until next round all monsters take one less attack to kill. (A jack can be killed by a 10)
This would be PERFECT if only needed just 1 deck to play. The need of 2 decks doesn`t make it compact. Maybe there is a way to trick it, I don`t know. Of course, it is a great system, the best out there probably. Cheers, man :)
Actually it is pretty compact, think about a dnd setup, now think about 2 decks of cards that 2 people could hold or one person within their bag or pockets
Any gameplay of this game?
what about the next two phases?
What's happening man.... I love this game... You said that there were 4 acts... Were you able to continue working on it? I'd love to know how it goes...
Check his newest upload...
here is an idea use 10 hart cards as 10 hp points and diffrent characters have diffrent amount of hp like rouge has 10 while mage has 7 and warrior has 14(10+J+Q+K) and pali has 12 (10+J+Q)
Allow the rogue to look at the top two or three cards of their deck and substitute one of them for a card in their hand during the block phase. Sleight of Hand, or Cheat
wait, since the rule for killing an Ace is that it can only be killed by another Ace, how do we kill the first Ace?
maybe the rogue takes x1,5 damage but can discard a royal to nullify damage he receives during the turn
or he can discard the whole hand instead...
I never played tho so I don't really know how this would affect rogue's gameplay
I feel like for the warrior should be able to kill the monster he is defending if his card that he is blocking with is 2 or higher
Late to the party but rogue could sucker punch meaning the monster targeting him lose « hp » ie jack attack rogue he immediately transform the jack into the last monster from the graveyard of the same suit like a 6 that was killed 3turn ago
So now the rogue can have an Easier time blocking (ability can be use any number of time since you still have to deal with the monster)
Wait. What exactly happens when you draw wounds? I'm not sure I follow because the wounds are a seperate deck right? What am I not getting here?
And you could do for the rogue discard the entire hand and become invincible that turn and has a 10 or 5 turn cool off
Oh like going stealth? Only worry I have is keeping track of the cool down. Let me know if you try it out in your games :)
+Tony Ngo I have and all you have to do is turn the card 90 degrees and each turn and right when you use it to keep track
+Awesome Bros Elite got it. Would that cap it to just four turns since ur doing four 90 degree rotations before it gets back to the same spot? Based on your testing, is the ability too strong or weak?
+Tony Ngo in my opinion it is kind of like the rouge attack ability you know it's easy to use but there a penalty Yu know
+Tony Ngo ok so basically you lay down all 3 card in a pile then each turn you turn them then you send all of them to the gravayard
warrior is obviously better than the other classes
What does Zeus do??
Rouge discard 3 cards or take 2/1 wounds then kill an enemy during the block phase and their damage is blocked
Is act 3 done yet?
Can we still use the attack abilities on this act?
How does wound cards get into your hand that your holding?
Never mind