Something else that definitely would affect the time is checked bags. On the train you can just bring them onboard with you so there's no need to wait to get them back whereas at the airport significant delays in getting checked bags are common, and even if everything goes smoothly it'll likely add at least 10 minutes to your trip time.
At MCO, my bags always get to the belt before me. I fly southwest so that probably has a lot to do with it. You pick the bags up on the way out so it adds no more time than it would take to use the bathroom.
Another thing that makes a difference, particularly with an intra-Florida journey, is weather. The train will still take 4:25 regardless but the flight could be delayed for hours by FL storms.
Ha. You think the weather delay is bad. Brightline has the HIGHEST death rate in the U.S. Wait until your train hits someone vs a 60 min weather delay at MIA
I'd also add that if you were able to check your stress levels, the train experience would be much less than air. I sensed that just from watching you both.
Even the very crowded trains from Switzerland to Italy were much less stressful than flying over the border! I didn't even mind the return trip when it was so crowded that people were sitting in the aisles! (I guess it depends where you are. The Swiss and Italians didn't mind overpacking the trains. If the car was rated to carry 120 passengers, I know there were over 200 people in the car! If traveling by train, I still strongly urge that people go to the bathroom before boarding the train. You never know how crowded it will be.
@@largol33t1 That's why sometimes it's worthwhile to book the First class on the train not only because of the more comfortable seats, but less people in said carriage.
@@Ven100 LOL, "first class" on Trenitalia is just four basic economy seats in a private cabin with a door! Not all Euro lines are fitted out like the Orient Express. At least the seats are comfortable and can recline.
@@largol33t1 I know the better UK rail lines (Avanti West Coast and LNER) have a first class similar to Brightline's premium service, as does DB, EuroStar and SNCF. The rest can vary wildly of course.
Another factor for more accurate comfort comparison is that the measured dimensions for Delta were in first class, but that was a free upgrade. So comparing actual cost, he should have measured the dimensions of Delta’s coach seats, no power outlets, and alcoholic beverages not included. Or, compare using the actual cost of first class rather than what they paid because you’re not going to have that same flight experience for the coach price.
I've been an airline pilot for over 22 years and airplanes but I'm also a train nut. The Brightline was awesome! Trains are just so much less stress and more comfortable than airline travel even though they might take longer. Thanks for the great video and flying Delta!
Yeah, I'd rather take a cross-country train that takes days than a flight that's only a few hours because I would just enjoy the ride and scenery personally.
@@RadzPrower That’s Amtrak & a lot of it is because you have to transfer. Fast trains 🚄 take just as long if not less time than a plane w/o delays & long TSA lines.
@@shechshire Oh, I know it could be better in a variety of ways. Hell, if Amtrak didn't get sidelined by giant freight trains all the time that would help even with just what we have. The point of my comment though was that if I'm not on a deadline, I'd still prefer the train regardless.
Good comparison! It appears you departed Miami in the early morning when traffic would be at a minimum. To make it more equal, an afternoon departure from MIA to MCO would have revealed a longer trip due to traffic in MIA.
MIA is incredibly close to the city center though, traffic to MIA often isn’t that bad. It also has a MetroRail station, less than 20 minutes from downtown.
Most people who want to go to orlando, are not looking at ending up at the terminal C at MCO which is quiet a distance from Disney, Universal, or downtown.
I am definitely team Brightline. 2 hours is the safe arrival time for flights. Another factor missed. Luggage. Medium size suit cases are carry on with Brightline,and even if you did check luggage. The time from arrival to luggage collection, really adds up on a flight. Been using bright line for cruises for a while now. Love it. Will try my first Orlando to Miami for a cruise this December.
@@GreenerGrass Dear Jeb, I hope this email finds you well. We have an opportunity for you to film the new Delta One Space and the Porsche service at LAX. Let me know if you are interested.
It's also good to mention that you had to uber to the airport in MIA. As you mentioned, brightline offers free uber service to and from their stations for first class passengers and first come first serve shuttle service for smart class tickets. That price definitely factors in during busy times where ubers could cost 30-50 dollars.
@@NickP16 That 5 mile radius from Miami Central is pretty encompassing. I've used that radius to get me to/from South Beach many times. If the station was in the middle of nowhere, the 5 mile radius would be a problem. Not so much for the dense downtown area.
@@Ven100 true, I was just stating the stipulation that wasn’t mentioned. Always important to know the terms and conditions when you get a first class ticket.
Nice comparison. I’m an AA pilot that commutes to Miami from orlando. The train is a nice second option for me. In a perfect day flying sounds great, but in the summer when the weather hits I’ve sat on the tarmac for 1-2hours at least for weather delays into either Miami or MCO. The train is a nice option you know will pretty much go regardless. My advantage is I can get through security a bit faster vs the average passenger. The train is now by plan b versus driving, I can sleep all the way home or to work!
“Is two hours too early? It is until it isn’t.” Truer words have never been spoken. Also to answer Suzanne’s question I always get to the airport at least 2 hours before my flight. I’m PARANOID about missing my flight 😂😂😂
Only time I've ever missed my flight was one time I was traveling between PHL and MSY on AA..I got off the highway close to my house to check to see if I had something in my carry on.. rather than turn around and go the way I came.. I decided to follow my GPS which took me on a dirt road.. I should have turned around immediately when I saw the dirt road but I was stupid and continued. I got stuck in the mud and had to call a tow truck. Luckily for me AA has a flat tire rule.. unfortunately the rule requires you take your original routing and connect in the same place.. so I ended up flying PHL-CLT-MSY with a 3.5 hour layover 🙄. There was a flight that was a very tight connection at CLT and I made it to the gate before they closed out the flight but they wouldn't let me because I had checked baggage even though I offered to pick it up the next day. I walked every inch of the airport and luckily the A gate expansion was brand new so I decided to check that out. Very nice. I also got to pop my Embraer cherry when I flew on an E175 from CLT to MSY.
No matter what the traffic is like on the road or in the airport, I always make it my main goal to be past the security gates with at least one hour and 10 minutes before the flight. Now when you're in Dallas, trying to make "The Mickey run" (DFW-MCO), it depends on the time of the year. I went in January and people were still packing in the planes. Anyone know why that route would have so many full flights? I thought most people have to put their kids back in school after Christmas break. When i visited Universal, it was in January. The parks were not even half full as I expected but the majority of the crowds flooded into the Harry Potter theme parks (Universal has two: Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade) and the lines for Hagrid's roller coaster was insane. And Jurassic Park was pretty hectic too. If your children's goal is to get their pics taken in the raptor pen, it's best to go in the morning before lunch.
Here in California, where we’re building the nation’s first high speed rail system, when anyone talks about how it’s only 80 minutes flying between LA and SF they fail to take into account total travel time, which is closer to four hours from downtown to downtown. High speed rail aims to make that same trip in under 3 hours, and is being engineered and built to achieve that.
The quality of the train experience looks so much better than the airplane experience that the train would be my default choice -- hands down. Thanks for sharing.
The map shown at 0:52 is actually the Amtrak route, not the Brightline route. Brightline goes due east from Orlando to Cocoa. Amtrak's route goes via Sebring. A time & cost comparison between Amtrak vs. Brightline between Orlando & Miami would be of interest.
I mean technically that map isint anything at all, in real life the tracks go out a bit more west and also way closer to the lake, but still yeah it’s not correct. Plus one goes to Tampa and the other does not.
It's unfortunate that your Brightline train was delayed, as the typical trip time is just under 3:30 (actually faster than flying). Thanks for the comparison and good content!
Great video, as a Floridian, I have been taking the Brightline from West Palm to Miami for a couple of years now, it is such an improvement over driving ! Now thanks to the both of you I have proof that it is also an improvement over flying for the longer Miami to Orlando trip!! Thank you both!!
I changed my rental car to this and on it now and it it unbelievable!!! What an experience and value!! The uber from my hotel was included and all the food and drinks too!! I can't thank you enough!!!!!!!
I just got off in Orlando and everyone has to experience this! I would never fly again. They pamper you more than in first class these days. We did the trip in under 3 hours and I was able to get so much work done! Thank you so much for the advice!!!
I used to commute between Miami and Orlando and I wold have loved to have Brightline back then.. you caught MIA on a good day.. normally it's super crazy, plus the hassle of airports compared to train stations is a factor as well
@@GreenerGrass Absolutely! Last time I was at MIA it took over 3 hours just to get thru security!! If you're to fly into or out of the Miami area Ft Lauderdale is the better choice..Great comparison! I would opt for Brightline for the main reasons of it being cheaper and so much less stressful!
@@Pantherjonvideos I HATE FLL, it has no lounges, bare basic airport, plus when cruisers are there, 3+ hours to get through horrible security! MIA by 1000%!
Great comparison! For me, the train won. I used to love to fly but flying isn’t what it was. Glad to see there’s renewed interest in trains. Thanks for taking us along!!
You guys do a fantastic job! Great writing, content, sequencing and videography is superb. Is this GoPro or something similar? Nice job with the mode comparison. The more positive passenger rail videos we get out here, the more likely we can help push the support for train travel.
Loved this comparison video! We flew for the first time since 2019 this past summer. The Mrs and I exclaimed almost simultaneously: “Boy, we sure miss Amtrak!”
Brightline looks like a great way to travel! I'm from Belgium and compared to the high-speed rail services we have here, the prices are similar, but the level of comfort and service looks superior. Glad to see long-distance rail making a comeback in the US!
@@CaliSteve169There is a cabview of a German ICE going from Frankfurt to Hannover. That geography the train moves through isn't very friendly for building fast rail. And yet, the trains on that route routinely hit 155 mph or 250 kph.
@@heavyhauler426 distances in Europe are different. The California desert for example is a different animal. They have been trying for years. Not the same thing trust me. It works in Europe and part of China, but in general, flying is more practical.
@@CaliSteve169 Well Brightline seems to disagree because they're building straight through the Mojave! Longer distances are an issue in the west, less so in the east. I think the main problem is that there are limited regional rail services to connect to an that limits the practicality of long-distance rail. The US needs to work on its suburban networks
@@stinooke which will be an epic failure. Let them disagree. The train if ever built, will run from Victorville to Vegas. The bulk of traffic is from la to Victorville, which means people will still have to drive to Victorville. Way faster and more convenient to either drive or fly. Let them keep blowing money, at least it will stimulate the economy to finance pointless projects.
Great comparison! 40 less minutes overall doesn't negate how much more useful time you gain with the train, not to mention the amenities. I'd say its within the margin of error for airlines with how prone we are to delays now more than ever.
Ive found that planes usally have a lot more delays and dont have free wifi. Train is cheaper, better + free wifi, u can walk aound, and not much longer for short distances. Train always wins for me!
They spent $150 for a one-way train ride per person. If the cost going back were the same, that's $300 round trip per person, or $600 for two people. Also, they had to Uber around their destinations, adding to their total cost. For less the cost and less time pressure, they could've rented a car for a day and would've been free to travel their destinations.
Another great video, as always. What would have made it a fairer comparison would be traveling at the same time of day, early morning departure at an airport is a lot different than mid day.
In the summertime, thunderstorms can really snarl up Florida airports and the en route airspace. Weather and air traffic delays could definitely tip things even more in the train's favor.
Living in Omaha, our airport (Eppley) is only a “medium hub” as classified by the FAA, and I love the fact that I’ve never had to arrive more than an hour before my flight. I don’t check bags, however. I think the longest I’ve ever had to wait in security was like 30 minutes, and the average is like 5 minutes. And it’s consistently ranked as one of the cleanest in the country, in part because it’s just the right size with great workers!
Time difference: only 45 minutes… that is nothing. On the train you could see more details of the scenery passing by. My winner is the train. Thank you very much, Suzanne and Jeb, for sharing your video with us.
The train is only comparable here because they chose such a short trip. It’s so short that the train actually has average plane travel times (much longer trips of course). The plane was handicapped by the recommended “arrive two hours early”, and then they just sat there till everyone else had left, artificially wasting time, and they’re comparing the premium accommodation on the mostly empty train when they started, to the much smaller 737 AND complaining about cary on storage compared to an EMPTY TRAIN. Yes, the train is nicer to travel on size wise, but this is a SHORT trip….you think it’s great till you try to sit there for 72 hours to get to LA ….compared to 6 to fly.
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I’d argue this is the sort of travel distance where using the train makes sense. There is certainly a distance where taking the plane makes more sense, despite the overheads.
@@Matt-yg8ub who is telling you to take a train to LA lol thats not what its intended for. Trains work best on shorter distances like the NE corridor and cities like Miami to Orlando.
Thanks for another cool vid. Will enjoy watching it! I hope Brightline can be converted to electric and operate at higher speeds in the future. Edit: That time difference was so little, the gap can clearly be cut by improving the old tracks. And as you say the train ride is just more comfortable and you can spend almost all the time on working or relaxing. Flights on these distances make zero sense when you have have a train service like this.
I doubt there is any plans to convert it to Electric... my reasoning is, they would have just done it from the get go with it being a new service. Would seem silly now to spend that kind of money (versus during startup I mean). Upgrading the existing FEC sections will take time, but suspect it will happen at some point.
It should get a conversion one day, at least a battery hybrid variant. The train could run bimodal with overhead + battery operation. My country just switched to a bimodal set on some stretches. Right now it's sadly electric + diesel electric generator, but the stadler trains can be converted to overhead electric + battery electric one day. But still, the train is better for the environmental impact. @@trainboy1979
The fact that it's mostly using existing tracks is of course the main reason that it's using electric. I get that it doesn't make sense for them to pay another owner to upgrade their tracks.@@trainboy1979
West Palm Beach to Cocoa is currently limited to 90 MPH due to FRA certifications. By the end of next month it should be complete and speeds increase to 110 MPH.
The southern part of the line has to remove a lot of grade crossings to get the speeds above the 75mph they're limited to down there, Brightline is also the deadliest railroad in the US, entirely because of idiots trying to beat the train at grade crossings. A fully grade separated line would make it a candidate for conversion to HSR, which would require electrification. The Siemens charger locomotives can probably be geared for 140mph, but that's about the upper limit for diesel since the max power on their consists is 8000hp (2x 4000hp locomotives, normally one pulls the train the other generates power for the cars), you'd need double that at least for a 186mph HSR train.
Very well done. Being a train person to begin with, I must disclose my inherent bias. Even if the cost was the same, which it was not since the plane cost $83 per person more, the train has so much more going for it. All in all, a pretty fair comparison and the train wins, hands down. I hope that Brightline has a great and profitable future.
Trains make more sense in Europe than in the US. Different distances and geography. Aa far as being profitable - they are never profitable. You need rail between the destinations, where the air is free.
As you said, the distance between cities is a huge factor. Airlines and vehicular traffic are both heavily subsidized by the government in the form of air traffic control, airports, and roads. The railroads have always been forced to provide and maintain their own right-of-way at their own expense, giving the other forms of transportation an unfair advantage Brightline is trying to leverage the situation where there are cities of sufficient size within reasonably close proximity of each other.@@CaliSteve169
@@yappofloyd1905 really? Can you compare building an airport in LA and in NY vs building a railroad between the two? Ask an engineer if you need clarification. They've been trying to build a high-speed rail from SF to LA for years. They still call it the train to nowhere.
@@CaliSteve169 Even your reply is nonsensical. Only idiots who don't understand geography nor basic engineering call CHSR "a train to nowhere"! There's 4m pop in that Central valley catchment of the IOS. Please tell me the the cost of the current LGA renovation or what LAX expansion cost in the last decade.
Few other items in the event not covered by others. Yall landed North in MCO which saves some time compared to flying the downwind and landing South. Also, Florida is obviously very prone to afternoon and early evening thunderstorms resulting in mile in trail, ATC flow programs, and ATC ground stops (departure delays). And then for the destination whether it be MIA or MCO, thunderstorms over the field results in arrival delays or diversions.. all out of the control of the traveler. These are constraints not likely to be encountered on the Brightline. I'm manager of flight dispatch at a major U.S. carrier and often have to travel between MCO and FLL. I'll be giving the Brightline a shot! They even offer airline employees discounts! Great content as always and thank you for comparison!
@@GreenerGrass You need to start each directing including the Uber ride there, which gives a better inclination of true travel experience. Delta should be priced at First Class, which I found for $180. Unlike 1980's it comes with zero benefits!
I love the Brightline. Super convenient. Biggest drawback for me is that it’s NOT cheap. Trains are comfortable. They’re super clean and the staff are great. The main stations (Miami / Ft. Lauderdale / Palm Beach are huge and nice. The smaller stations are nice but not nearly as big as the 3 mains…well, I guess 4 mains now with Orlando. I live about 5-10 minutes from the relatively new Aventura stop so it’s convenient. I have yet to do the Orlando stretch but have gone to Palm Beach several times.
You guys are delightful! Although my days of travelling are largely over, thanks to podcasts like yours, UA-cam & my Smartphone, I enjoy a very healthy existence in virtual reality. (Not bad for a 72 year old FL man who doesn't even own a vehicle, eh?)
I am so glad you did this comparison. I am headed to orlando later this year and also wanted to visit Miami. I was debating between the train and driving, never considered flying. I think I will opt for the train. Thank you!
Re: time at the airport. Regardless whether my flight is domestic or international, I show up a minimum 3 hours ahead. My thinking is, I would rather be the one waiting (and planespotting) rather than stressing whether I would miss my flight or not. That is my rule#1 of traveling. Rule#2 is not scheduling anything whatsoever the day of travel in case of trip delays/snafus. It makes life a lot more relaxed that way.
Yeah it's honestly sad how bad the US's passenger rail network is, most of the rest of the world has amazing rail networks and you can get pretty much anywhere by rail unfortunately in the US most railways are chronically under developed
IMO that you compare going through the terminus points for each mode AS WELL as the point A to point B travel for each mode, IMO makes this comparison so much better than what many others do - where they compare riding from point A to point B on a specific mode, to taking a flight AND going through the airport, which IMO is faulty.
Great video guys! This video opens up huge possibilities for comparison, London - Edinburgh Train vs Plane is something you guys should try when you’re next in the UK, Milan-Rome when in Italy. Hope to see more of these race videos 👍👍
Of course, this could have been done many different ways...but that felt pretty realistic/fair all the way around, which shows the thought going into it for planning. Very well done. Plus I love the "Where are we going? Oh yeah, that's right." At the end. I have been there for sure!
Outstanding review! I do feel however that if you account for all the possible delays and inconveniences that can be associated with flying the time factor could be about the same for the train and plane. Having said that, the train seem to be the better travel experience and deal. Thanks so much for sharing.
Most of the rail, especially down the coast is legacy rail owned by FEC. Good luck building Brightline without the right of ways already owned between Miami and Palm Beach.
@@briangasser973 Well Brightline West will tackle the SoCal - Vegas route by not having an existing track ROW. They have gained the interstate ROW though.
Great vlog as always! Do the next one in Europe! Trainraids up to 6h is winning to the plane. A new law in France will put a stop to all domestic flying. Keep up the good work. Be safe!
I'm excited that Brightline is up-and-running and is seeing success so far. It really keeps hope of one day having high-speed rail throughout major cities in the U.S. The future is looking rally * here comes a pun * BRIGHT
The times were pretty close, but I think it is rare that traffic was in your favor. One traffic accident and that time would have been a LOT longer for the plane. Also, that the security line at the airport was unusually short. While the security line would not have made any time differences, it would add to the stress of the experience.
While delays in traffic and/or security would have added to the discomfort/stress level, that is what the recommended 2 hour early arrival time before departure is for. The overall time for the trip would not change (unless it was so bad that you ended up missing your flight entirely).
I’m more of an 1.5 hours before plane to get there rather than 2 hours. With it being around a 40 minute difference, I’d rather be moving on the train the entire time with a lot more room and it being cheaper. So much dead time on a trip that short using the plane. See you on the web on the next one!
Airplane may be delayed more often and more affected by weather. Happy to see railways are finally being developed in USA at least at some places. Good example of how trains should be, hope passengers will support the line.
The train by far is the best way to travel between Orlando and Miami. A train only has to come close to the total travel time of flying for it to be more than competitive. It's why studies in Europe have shown people are more willing to take a longer train ride over flying due to the added levels of comfort and less hassle vs flying. Brightline is still running at 90 MPH between West Palm Beach and Cocoa. After the FRA certifications are complete sometime in November, that will increase the speed allowed to 110 MPH. Having left so early in the morning for the airport, some slight time advantage was given to the plane as others have pointed out. A nice video overall.
As you point out, there are "intangibles" to travel. I MUCH prefer train travel, it's just so much less stressful. My home airport is ABQ and 90 minutes before departure is good (since I normally travel carryon), but my husband has a service dog and that takes extra time at the ticket counter. So we have to arrive 2 hours early when he's also flying. We have good Amtrak service in ABQ, but train prices for a roomette are so expensive now. I used to travel to L.A. and back on the train. Now, if I can get a non-stop flight, that's a better choice. Makes me sad, as I love trains. I always enjoy your videos. See you in the sky - or boat - or train. But, hopefully, NOT on a bus...
I travelled from Orlando Airport to Miami last August. Less than 2 weeks before the new Brightline station opened... Had to take the bus which annoyingly took about an hour longer than the train. I wanted to see what the journey would've been like on the train and from your video it definitely would've been a better experience in terms of comfort and speed.
Brightline is considering building in the Texas Triangle area for rail. Currently, Texas Central is planning high-speed rail from Houston to Dallas. They are partnering with Amtrack to help secure federal grants to start the project..
@@brucebanana4486 I can totally see Texas Central complete one portion of the triangle while Brightline complete another portion, thus creating something similar to the JR's in Japan where they complement each other's services despite being different companies.
40 minutes faster flying for more money and a lot more "hurry up and wait" between getting to the airport early, boarding, etc, I think the train is the clear winner in the scenario. One possible way that can eat in to that time is checked bags. I think we've all spent 40 minutes waiting for our bags sometimes, and the additional time getting to the baggage claim area probably would have put you over the train time anyway. Great video as always, can't wait for the next one!
If you want to include potential traffic delays, you should begin and end each test at points equidistant from the terminals with about the same probability for delays due to traffic. I would also rule out running and fast walking as well. A nice stroll would account for people who don’t move as fast as you folks. 😉 Personally, I would choose the train. It appears to be a much more enjoyable and less stressful experience despite the difference of an hour. Having said that, it is a great video as always and entertaining to watch.
I thought about that too ... but in Orlando, they would have taken the same amount of time to get from anywhere to the combined airport / train station. If the two were in different places, travel time to each would be a factor, as it is, travel time to both is the same. In Miami, they did account for this, by choosing an end point downtown, away from the station and airport. I would also choose the train, if I ever found myself in a place where there was train service. My city only has one Amtrak train come through a day, and it doesn't go anywhere I would want to travel unless I wanted to do an 18 hour + ride each way. We NEED more and better trains in the USA!
Very entertaining video - and Brightline looks fantastic! To make it more apples-to-apples, you and Suzanne could have raced each other in the same direction, with one of you taking the train and the other flying. I think I’ve seen TPG do that (for example, train vs. plane from New York to DC).
Don’t know if others already mentioned this, but maybe you could’ve added carbon emissions comparison per passenger mile. Train most likely comes out way ahead here, so even if trip took 40 min longer it had a much lower carbon footprint.
Adjust for delays. If the average delay is 30 min, then you should add 30min to flying. For regular commuters, especially when work is concerned, you probably get 90% of the time on a train available to work. That cannot be overstated. Likewise the overall lower stress levels, especially when traveling with kids, makes the train a win for such a small time difference.
For domestic flights I'd say about 2 hours at most is what you need for check in, security, snacks etc. For International flights I'd give it about 4 to 5 hours at least! I don't think Google Maps takes into account pedestrian crossings either Suzanne, so hopefully that answers your question. That 40 min difference between train and plane is honestly kind of negligible if you are just travelling between Miami and Orlando. I'd definitely take a train though purely based on a cost/emissions/service perspective. I will come to the states and ride Brightline one day!
Train for me. Less stressful. More relaxing. I'm happy to hear that your flight wasn't 45 hours long. Or 114, 126, 132, 83, or even 112 hours. God forbid having to sit on a plane for that long! lol 🤣
I remember when Amtrak completed electrification to Boston from NY, and again, center to center may have been only a little shorter by train, but oh the comfort. And same for DC to NY. Even with the DC airport on the metro system, the NY airports are just too far out. Makes me want to do this cycle from The Washington Monument to The Empire State building.
You guys never fail to make me smile and full of joy~ kinda like a little kid. It is wonderful! I have always wanted to see what the airline "sky club lounges" are like, maybe one day I will be able to see them. Thank you always for all that you do to uplift us all. Have a great week!
Love this! You had to factor in time for the uber in Miami but you didnt on the other side. This would have been a better experiment from a Disney Hotel to Downtown Miami.
Please do. I do think the total travel time of the train will be close to the total travel time of the airline. Even if the train isn't faster, the train only needs to come close to the time for it to win out due to extra levels of comfort. Love your channel btw.
I think with TSA pre and AA EXP, my target is always to clear security 1 hour before departure. So call it 1:15/20 before door close. Haven’t missed a flight, but definitely been stressed a handful of times.
The 4h25m you spent relaxing and eating great food. Whereas most of that 3h45m in air travel you just spent waiting in boredom without any food or much comfort.
Something else that definitely would affect the time is checked bags. On the train you can just bring them onboard with you so there's no need to wait to get them back whereas at the airport significant delays in getting checked bags are common, and even if everything goes smoothly it'll likely add at least 10 minutes to your trip time.
Checked baggage would've easily added 20 minutes to the plane's journey time. It's that waiting at the baggage claim that adds the annoying time.
I've waited for over 30min at MCO or MIA for bags
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At MCO, my bags always get to the belt before me. I fly southwest so that probably has a lot to do with it. You pick the bags up on the way out so it adds no more time than it would take to use the bathroom.
At IAH it's such a long walk from the gate to baggage claim that my bags are usually waiting for me.
Another thing that makes a difference, particularly with an intra-Florida journey, is weather. The train will still take 4:25 regardless but the flight could be delayed for hours by FL storms.
The train could be delayed by negligent drivers stopping on the tracks & getting hit :(
Ha. You think the weather delay is bad. Brightline has the HIGHEST death rate in the U.S. Wait until your train hits someone vs a 60 min weather delay at MIA
Yea florida has an absurd number of at grade crossings. Probably need to fix that
@@w0ykj good luck telling that to FDOT lol
Chicago has a ton more, with less accidents.
I'd also add that if you were able to check your stress levels, the train experience would be much less than air. I sensed that just from watching you both.
Even the very crowded trains from Switzerland to Italy were much less stressful than flying over the border! I didn't even mind the return trip when it was so crowded that people were sitting in the aisles! (I guess it depends where you are. The Swiss and Italians didn't mind overpacking the trains. If the car was rated to carry 120 passengers, I know there were over 200 people in the car! If traveling by train, I still strongly urge that people go to the bathroom before boarding the train. You never know how crowded it will be.
@@largol33t1 That's why sometimes it's worthwhile to book the First class on the train not only because of the more comfortable seats, but less people in said carriage.
@@Ven100 LOL, "first class" on Trenitalia is just four basic economy seats in a private cabin with a door! Not all Euro lines are fitted out like the Orient Express. At least the seats are comfortable and can recline.
@@largol33t1 I know the better UK rail lines (Avanti West Coast and LNER) have a first class similar to Brightline's premium service, as does DB, EuroStar and SNCF. The rest can vary wildly of course.
Another factor for more accurate comfort comparison is that the measured dimensions for Delta were in first class, but that was a free upgrade. So comparing actual cost, he should have measured the dimensions of Delta’s coach seats, no power outlets, and alcoholic beverages not included. Or, compare using the actual cost of first class rather than what they paid because you’re not going to have that same flight experience for the coach price.
I've been an airline pilot for over 22 years and airplanes but I'm also a train nut. The Brightline was awesome! Trains are just so much less stress and more comfortable than airline travel even though they might take longer. Thanks for the great video and flying Delta!
It takes 3.5 hours.
You said it! Far less stress, far higher service and comfort, all for a time sacrifice of only a few minutes. I luv train service.
Yeah, I'd rather take a cross-country train that takes days than a flight that's only a few hours because I would just enjoy the ride and scenery personally.
@@RadzPrower That’s Amtrak & a lot of it is because you have to transfer. Fast trains 🚄 take just as long if not less time than a plane w/o delays & long TSA lines.
@@shechshire Oh, I know it could be better in a variety of ways. Hell, if Amtrak didn't get sidelined by giant freight trains all the time that would help even with just what we have.
The point of my comment though was that if I'm not on a deadline, I'd still prefer the train regardless.
Good comparison! It appears you departed Miami in the early morning when traffic would be at a minimum. To make it more equal, an afternoon departure from MIA to MCO would have revealed a longer trip due to traffic in MIA.
perhaps, but with the amount of time they had left after they got through security it wouldn't have made any difference in total travel time
MIA is incredibly close to the city center though, traffic to MIA often isn’t that bad. It also has a MetroRail station, less than 20 minutes from downtown.
Most people who want to go to orlando, are not looking at ending up at the terminal C at MCO which is quiet a distance from Disney, Universal, or downtown.
I agree, timing is everything in Miami. Another option that can bypass the traffic problem is using the Metrorail from/to Downtown to/from MIA
Or 7am-10am or 3pm-8pm too!
I am definitely team Brightline. 2 hours is the safe arrival time for flights. Another factor missed. Luggage. Medium size suit cases are carry on with Brightline,and even if you did check luggage. The time from arrival to luggage collection, really adds up on a flight. Been using bright line for cruises for a while now. Love it. Will try my first Orlando to Miami for a cruise this December.
Good point about luggage!
@@GreenerGrass Dear Jeb,
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It's also good to mention that you had to uber to the airport in MIA. As you mentioned, brightline offers free uber service to and from their stations for first class passengers and first come first serve shuttle service for smart class tickets. That price definitely factors in during busy times where ubers could cost 30-50 dollars.
Something that is missed though, with the first class ticket on Brightline, when it comes to Uber it’s limited to 5 miles around the train station
@@NickP16 That 5 mile radius from Miami Central is pretty encompassing. I've used that radius to get me to/from South Beach many times. If the station was in the middle of nowhere, the 5 mile radius would be a problem. Not so much for the dense downtown area.
@@Ven100 true, I was just stating the stipulation that wasn’t mentioned. Always important to know the terms and conditions when you get a first class ticket.
Good to know, I didn’t know that
You have to use the Tri Rail to get to the airport. It literally stops inside MIA.
Nice comparison. I’m an AA pilot that commutes to Miami from orlando. The train is a nice second option for me. In a perfect day flying sounds great, but in the summer when the weather hits I’ve sat on the tarmac for 1-2hours at least for weather delays into either Miami or MCO. The train is a nice option you know will pretty much go regardless. My advantage is I can get through security a bit faster vs the average passenger. The train is now by plan b versus driving, I can sleep all the way home or to work!
“Is two hours too early? It is until it isn’t.” Truer words have never been spoken.
Also to answer Suzanne’s question I always get to the airport at least 2 hours before my flight. I’m PARANOID about missing my flight 😂😂😂
Same here. I’d rather spend 2 hours playing on my Nintendo Switch after clearing security than risk missing a flight.
@@TheDigileet exactly. I bring books/a Switch/my old school DS on these trips for a reason lol
Only time I've ever missed my flight was one time I was traveling between PHL and MSY on AA..I got off the highway close to my house to check to see if I had something in my carry on.. rather than turn around and go the way I came.. I decided to follow my GPS which took me on a dirt road.. I should have turned around immediately when I saw the dirt road but I was stupid and continued. I got stuck in the mud and had to call a tow truck. Luckily for me AA has a flat tire rule.. unfortunately the rule requires you take your original routing and connect in the same place.. so I ended up flying PHL-CLT-MSY with a 3.5 hour layover 🙄. There was a flight that was a very tight connection at CLT and I made it to the gate before they closed out the flight but they wouldn't let me because I had checked baggage even though I offered to pick it up the next day. I walked every inch of the airport and luckily the A gate expansion was brand new so I decided to check that out. Very nice.
I also got to pop my Embraer cherry when I flew on an E175 from CLT to MSY.
No matter what the traffic is like on the road or in the airport, I always make it my main goal to be past the security gates with at least one hour and 10 minutes before the flight. Now when you're in Dallas, trying to make "The Mickey run" (DFW-MCO), it depends on the time of the year. I went in January and people were still packing in the planes. Anyone know why that route would have so many full flights? I thought most people have to put their kids back in school after Christmas break. When i visited Universal, it was in January. The parks were not even half full as I expected but the majority of the crowds flooded into the Harry Potter theme parks (Universal has two: Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade) and the lines for Hagrid's roller coaster was insane. And Jurassic Park was pretty hectic too. If your children's goal is to get their pics taken in the raptor pen, it's best to go in the morning before lunch.
Here in California, where we’re building the nation’s first high speed rail system, when anyone talks about how it’s only 80 minutes flying between LA and SF they fail to take into account total travel time, which is closer to four hours from downtown to downtown. High speed rail aims to make that same trip in under 3 hours, and is being engineered and built to achieve that.
The quality of the train experience looks so much better than the airplane experience that the train would be my default choice -- hands down. Thanks for sharing.
The map shown at 0:52 is actually the Amtrak route, not the Brightline route. Brightline goes due east from Orlando to Cocoa. Amtrak's route goes via Sebring. A time & cost comparison between Amtrak vs. Brightline between Orlando & Miami would be of interest.
Just to up the anorak level, Amtrak goes to Tampa first from Orlando, and THEN to Miami. That squiggle is the Turnpike.
I mean technically that map isint anything at all, in real life the tracks go out a bit more west and also way closer to the lake, but still yeah it’s not correct. Plus one goes to Tampa and the other does not.
@@brandonbloomquist3267The Silver Star goes to Tampa, the Silver Meteor doesn't
@@sloop_jon_bthanks - I didn’t know about the split route.
It's unfortunate that your Brightline train was delayed, as the typical trip time is just under 3:30 (actually faster than flying).
Thanks for the comparison and good content!
Great video, as a Floridian, I have been taking the Brightline from West Palm to Miami for a couple of years now, it is such an improvement over driving ! Now thanks to the both of you I have proof that it is also an improvement over flying for the longer Miami to Orlando trip!! Thank you both!!
I changed my rental car to this and on it now and it it unbelievable!!! What an experience and value!! The uber from my hotel was included and all the food and drinks too!! I can't thank you enough!!!!!!!
I just got off in Orlando and everyone has to experience this! I would never fly again. They pamper you more than in first class these days. We did the trip in under 3 hours and I was able to get so much work done! Thank you so much for the advice!!!
I used to commute between Miami and Orlando and I wold have loved to have Brightline back then.. you caught MIA on a good day.. normally it's super crazy, plus the hassle of airports compared to train stations is a factor as well
We were surprised how smooth MIA was, it’s usually a total zoo!
@@GreenerGrass Absolutely! Last time I was at MIA it took over 3 hours just to get thru security!! If you're to fly into or out of the Miami area Ft Lauderdale is the better choice..Great comparison! I would opt for Brightline for the main reasons of it being cheaper and so much less stressful!
@@Pantherjonvideos I HATE FLL, it has no lounges, bare basic airport, plus when cruisers are there, 3+ hours to get through horrible security! MIA by 1000%!
Great comparison! For me, the train won. I used to love to fly but flying isn’t what it was. Glad to see there’s renewed interest in trains.
Thanks for taking us along!!
You guys do a fantastic job! Great writing, content, sequencing and videography is superb. Is this GoPro or something similar? Nice job with the mode comparison. The more positive passenger rail videos we get out here, the more likely we can help push the support for train travel.
Wow! Thanks so much for your kind words! We just film using my iPhone. Keeps things simple!
Loved this comparison video!
We flew for the first time since 2019 this past summer. The Mrs and I exclaimed almost simultaneously: “Boy, we sure miss Amtrak!”
Brightline looks like a great way to travel! I'm from Belgium and compared to the high-speed rail services we have here, the prices are similar, but the level of comfort and service looks superior. Glad to see long-distance rail making a comeback in the US!
Europe is different than the US. Different distances, different geography. Trains make more sense in Europe.
@@CaliSteve169There is a cabview of a German ICE going from Frankfurt to Hannover. That geography the train moves through isn't very friendly for building fast rail. And yet, the trains on that route routinely hit 155 mph or 250 kph.
@@heavyhauler426 distances in Europe are different. The California desert for example is a different animal. They have been trying for years. Not the same thing trust me. It works in Europe and part of China, but in general, flying is more practical.
@@CaliSteve169 Well Brightline seems to disagree because they're building straight through the Mojave! Longer distances are an issue in the west, less so in the east. I think the main problem is that there are limited regional rail services to connect to an that limits the practicality of long-distance rail. The US needs to work on its suburban networks
@@stinooke which will be an epic failure. Let them disagree. The train if ever built, will run from Victorville to Vegas. The bulk of traffic is from la to Victorville, which means people will still have to drive to Victorville. Way faster and more convenient to either drive or fly. Let them keep blowing money, at least it will stimulate the economy to finance pointless projects.
Great comparison! 40 less minutes overall doesn't negate how much more useful time you gain with the train, not to mention the amenities. I'd say its within the margin of error for airlines with how prone we are to delays now more than ever.
In the summertime MCO and MIA usually get thunderstorms daily, so delays of 30 minutes or more are very common.
Ive found that planes usally have a lot more delays and dont have free wifi. Train is cheaper, better + free wifi, u can walk aound, and not much longer for short distances. Train always wins for me!
AND the difference in cost. And, keep in mind they got upgraded on the flight, too. That won't happen for most people.
There is no comparison. Both travel modes are very different plus one is more sustainable and environmentally friendly.
They spent $150 for a one-way train ride per person. If the cost going back were the same, that's $300 round trip per person, or $600 for two people. Also, they had to Uber around their destinations, adding to their total cost. For less the cost and less time pressure, they could've rented a car for a day and would've been free to travel their destinations.
What Brightline has done in Florida is nothing short of amazing. They’re working on LA-Vegas service - looking forward to that review in a few years!
Another great video, as always. What would have made it a fairer comparison would be traveling at the same time of day, early morning departure at an airport is a lot different than mid day.
Point well taken.
In the summertime, thunderstorms can really snarl up Florida airports and the en route airspace. Weather and air traffic delays could definitely tip things even more in the train's favor.
So true !! Any lightning and you are stuck. My daughter sat on the tarmac k for 2 hours one night.
I’ve been stuck in Orlando airport twice students thunderstorms
I meant to write due to thunderstorms
Living in Omaha, our airport (Eppley) is only a “medium hub” as classified by the FAA, and I love the fact that I’ve never had to arrive more than an hour before my flight. I don’t check bags, however. I think the longest I’ve ever had to wait in security was like 30 minutes, and the average is like 5 minutes. And it’s consistently ranked as one of the cleanest in the country, in part because it’s just the right size with great workers!
I absolutely love your channel. The best reviews.
Jeb running in the airport has me dying 😂 Love the videos y'all!
Time difference: only 45 minutes… that is nothing. On the train you could see more details of the scenery passing by.
My winner is the train.
Thank you very much, Suzanne and Jeb, for sharing your video with us.
The train is only comparable here because they chose such a short trip. It’s so short that the train actually has average plane travel times (much longer trips of course). The plane was handicapped by the recommended “arrive two hours early”, and then they just sat there till everyone else had left, artificially wasting time, and they’re comparing the premium accommodation on the mostly empty train when they started, to the much smaller 737 AND complaining about cary on storage compared to an EMPTY TRAIN.
Yes, the train is nicer to travel on size wise, but this is a SHORT trip….you think it’s great till you try to sit there for 72 hours to get to LA ….compared to 6 to fly.
I’d argue this is the sort of travel distance where using the train makes sense. There is certainly a distance where taking the plane makes more sense, despite the overheads.
@@Matt-yg8ub who is telling you to take a train to LA lol thats not what its intended for. Trains work best on shorter distances like the NE corridor and cities like Miami to Orlando.
Thanks for another cool vid. Will enjoy watching it! I hope Brightline can be converted to electric and operate at higher speeds in the future.
Edit: That time difference was so little, the gap can clearly be cut by improving the old tracks. And as you say the train ride is just more comfortable and you can spend almost all the time on working or relaxing. Flights on these distances make zero sense when you have have a train service like this.
I doubt there is any plans to convert it to Electric... my reasoning is, they would have just done it from the get go with it being a new service. Would seem silly now to spend that kind of money (versus during startup I mean). Upgrading the existing FEC sections will take time, but suspect it will happen at some point.
It should get a conversion one day, at least a battery hybrid variant. The train could run bimodal with overhead + battery operation. My country just switched to a bimodal set on some stretches. Right now it's sadly electric + diesel electric generator, but the stadler trains can be converted to overhead electric + battery electric one day.
But still, the train is better for the environmental impact.
@@trainboy1979
The fact that it's mostly using existing tracks is of course the main reason that it's using electric. I get that it doesn't make sense for them to pay another owner to upgrade their tracks.@@trainboy1979
West Palm Beach to Cocoa is currently limited to 90 MPH due to FRA certifications. By the end of next month it should be complete and speeds increase to 110 MPH.
The southern part of the line has to remove a lot of grade crossings to get the speeds above the 75mph they're limited to down there, Brightline is also the deadliest railroad in the US, entirely because of idiots trying to beat the train at grade crossings. A fully grade separated line would make it a candidate for conversion to HSR, which would require electrification. The Siemens charger locomotives can probably be geared for 140mph, but that's about the upper limit for diesel since the max power on their consists is 8000hp (2x 4000hp locomotives, normally one pulls the train the other generates power for the cars), you'd need double that at least for a 186mph HSR train.
Very well done. Being a train person to begin with, I must disclose my inherent bias. Even if the cost was the same, which it was not since the plane cost $83 per person more, the train has so much more going for it. All in all, a pretty fair comparison and the train wins, hands down. I hope that Brightline has a great and profitable future.
Trains make more sense in Europe than in the US. Different distances and geography. Aa far as being profitable - they are never profitable. You need rail between the destinations, where the air is free.
As you said, the distance between cities is a huge factor. Airlines and vehicular traffic are both heavily subsidized by the government in the form of air traffic control, airports, and roads. The railroads have always been forced to provide and maintain their own right-of-way at their own expense, giving the other forms of transportation an unfair advantage
Brightline is trying to leverage the situation where there are cities of sufficient size within reasonably close proximity of each other.@@CaliSteve169
Yes, because airports just magically appear out of nowhere right Steve? You really are posting loads of illogical guff
@@yappofloyd1905 really? Can you compare building an airport in LA and in NY vs building a railroad between the two? Ask an engineer if you need clarification. They've been trying to build a high-speed rail from SF to LA for years. They still call it the train to nowhere.
@@CaliSteve169 Even your reply is nonsensical. Only idiots who don't understand geography nor basic engineering call CHSR "a train to nowhere"! There's 4m pop in that Central valley catchment of the IOS. Please tell me the the cost of the current LGA renovation or what LAX expansion cost in the last decade.
Nice job. You know it's an awesome weekend when Jeb Brooks posts another video😊
Jeb, Jeb, He’s Our Man If He Can’t Do It, Nobody Can!
Few other items in the event not covered by others. Yall landed North in MCO which saves some time compared to flying the downwind and landing South. Also, Florida is obviously very prone to afternoon and early evening thunderstorms resulting in mile in trail, ATC flow programs, and ATC ground stops (departure delays). And then for the destination whether it be MIA or MCO, thunderstorms over the field results in arrival delays or diversions.. all out of the control of the traveler. These are constraints not likely to be encountered on the Brightline. I'm manager of flight dispatch at a major U.S. carrier and often have to travel between MCO and FLL. I'll be giving the Brightline a shot! They even offer airline employees discounts! Great content as always and thank you for comparison!
Very good points! We got lucky with the weather and runway config!
Thank you also for your expert input.
They always stress that the best travel times are early morning departures😊
I'm really impressed with Suzanne's dedication to data collection and all the drinks she "has to" consume for the channel. 🥂🍷🍹🍸
Right?! 🤣
@@GreenerGrass You need to start each directing including the Uber ride there, which gives a better inclination of true travel experience. Delta should be priced at First Class, which I found for $180. Unlike 1980's it comes with zero benefits!
She must have a pretty comprehensive spreadsheet by now 😂
L0L
I love the Brightline. Super convenient. Biggest drawback for me is that it’s NOT cheap.
Trains are comfortable. They’re super clean and the staff are great. The main stations (Miami / Ft. Lauderdale / Palm Beach are huge and nice. The smaller stations are nice but not nearly as big as the 3 mains…well, I guess 4 mains now with Orlando.
I live about 5-10 minutes from the relatively new Aventura stop so it’s convenient.
I have yet to do the Orlando stretch but have gone to Palm Beach several times.
Right around the 8:54 mark I noticed exactly where you were. Aventura, right across from the mall. My neighborhood.
Love the concept for this one. The train is definitely the most comfortable and luxurious. And that's a darn good price for a first class ticket
You guys are delightful! Although my days of travelling are largely over, thanks to podcasts like yours, UA-cam & my Smartphone, I enjoy a very healthy existence in virtual reality. (Not bad for a 72 year old FL man who doesn't even own a vehicle, eh?)
Awesome video. I love the comparison! I think I would take the train. Seems like it could be a more relaxing or productive option.
I am so glad you did this comparison. I am headed to orlando later this year and also wanted to visit Miami. I was debating between the train and driving, never considered flying. I think I will opt for the train.
Thank you!
Re: time at the airport. Regardless whether my flight is domestic or international, I show up a minimum 3 hours ahead. My thinking is, I would rather be the one waiting (and planespotting) rather than stressing whether I would miss my flight or not. That is my rule#1 of traveling. Rule#2 is not scheduling anything whatsoever the day of travel in case of trip delays/snafus. It makes life a lot more relaxed that way.
Love the videos you make with your wife. The energy you two have together is really great to watch
I love travelling by air but that train looks so chic and comfy🤩
Yeah it's honestly sad how bad the US's passenger rail network is, most of the rest of the world has amazing rail networks and you can get pretty much anywhere by rail unfortunately in the US most railways are chronically under developed
The last time I was in Miami I saw these....will check it out on my next trip....a awesome video :) !!!
IMO that you compare going through the terminus points for each mode AS WELL as the point A to point B travel for each mode, IMO makes this comparison so much better than what many others do - where they compare riding from point A to point B on a specific mode, to taking a flight AND going through the airport, which IMO is faulty.
What does IMO stand for please?
@@downhillking2in my opinion
That was a lot of fun. Thank you! Definitely Amazing Race vibes.
Great video guys! This video opens up huge possibilities for comparison, London - Edinburgh Train vs Plane is something you guys should try when you’re next in the UK, Milan-Rome when in Italy. Hope to see more of these race videos 👍👍
Of course, this could have been done many different ways...but that felt pretty realistic/fair all the way around, which shows the thought going into it for planning. Very well done. Plus I love the "Where are we going? Oh yeah, that's right." At the end. I have been there for sure!
Outstanding review! I do feel however that if you account for all the possible delays and inconveniences that can be associated with flying the time factor could be about the same for the train and plane. Having said that, the train seem to be the better travel experience and deal. Thanks so much for sharing.
Jeb, I had to stop at 8:27, and serendipitously found the greatest picture of you and Suzanne, looking at each other. Frame it!
7:34 - for anyone not from the US or in the US but unfamiliar with trains, the fact they got that done that quickly and for that price is incredible.
Most of the rail, especially down the coast is legacy rail owned by FEC. Good luck building Brightline without the right of ways already owned between Miami and Palm Beach.
@@briangasser973 Well Brightline West will tackle the SoCal - Vegas route by not having an existing track ROW. They have gained the interstate ROW though.
Incorrect, the property is owned by FEC, but the track was added next to the freight line, and then all new built from Cocoa to Orlando.
They also bought the most expensive ticket. Could have gotten $75 tickets for basic seating.
@tonyburzio4107 The housing density between Coca and MCO is minimal, especially when it just runs next to the 528.
Your editing and narration are pretty good. Feels like a tv show
Great vlog as always! Do the next one in Europe! Trainraids up to 6h is winning to the plane. A new law in France will put a stop to all domestic flying. Keep up the good work. Be safe!
Very cool comparison Jeb. Loved seeing the Brightline service and what they offer. Great video content, keep up the good work.
Well said!
I'm excited that Brightline is up-and-running and is seeing success so far. It really keeps hope of one day having high-speed rail throughout major cities in the U.S. The future is looking rally * here comes a pun * BRIGHT
😂great pun!
Jeb, your watch game is on point the last few videos. I've spotted a Grand Seiko, a Sinn 556, and now an Omega (4:32)! Good stuff!
The times were pretty close, but I think it is rare that traffic was in your favor. One traffic accident and that time would have been a LOT longer for the plane. Also, that the security line at the airport was unusually short. While the security line would not have made any time differences, it would add to the stress of the experience.
While delays in traffic and/or security would have added to the discomfort/stress level, that is what the recommended 2 hour early arrival time before departure is for. The overall time for the trip would not change (unless it was so bad that you ended up missing your flight entirely).
They arrived 2 hours early. Those 2 hours were counted in the total time despite doing nothing
I live near Orlando and want to take the Brightline to Miami soon. Can’t wait to watch this video and see the winner!
I’m more of an 1.5 hours before plane to get there rather than 2 hours. With it being around a 40 minute difference, I’d rather be moving on the train the entire time with a lot more room and it being cheaper. So much dead time on a trip that short using the plane. See you on the web on the next one!
Have you guys ever considered going on The Amazing Race? I would definitely watch! They should do a travel vloggers edition. 😎
Jetlag the game! Jeb would be a good contestant… Or Miles in transit…
You guys are such dorks!!😂 I LOVE IT!!
Fun video! No lounge access sucks for flying. Planes have become so stingy that they usually don’t offer even snacks which really sucks.
Surprised Jeb doesnt have AMEX that gives him lounge access
@@briangasser973 The point was to compare what each company offered standalone; Delta doesn’t offer lounge access to economy passengers
7:30 That's the Roosevelt Bridge. I've been on that bridge and lived in that area all my life.
Welcome to Martin County Florida Jeb Brooks!
Airplane may be delayed more often and more affected by weather. Happy to see railways are finally being developed in USA at least at some places. Good example of how trains should be, hope passengers will support the line.
loved watching your video!!! this was very informational.
I agree with you.
There's also something to be said about being able to watch the world zoom by from a train. That in itself is like in-flight entertainment.
You two would be GREAT on Amazing Race! I would totally watch and you would win!
The train by far is the best way to travel between Orlando and Miami. A train only has to come close to the total travel time of flying for it to be more than competitive. It's why studies in Europe have shown people are more willing to take a longer train ride over flying due to the added levels of comfort and less hassle vs flying.
Brightline is still running at 90 MPH between West Palm Beach and Cocoa. After the FRA certifications are complete sometime in November, that will increase the speed allowed to 110 MPH.
Having left so early in the morning for the airport, some slight time advantage was given to the plane as others have pointed out. A nice video overall.
i'd choose that train by a country mile, over say choosing the plane., better comfort & perks. Awesome video as always by you both👍
As you point out, there are "intangibles" to travel. I MUCH prefer train travel, it's just so much less stressful. My home airport is ABQ and 90 minutes before departure is good (since I normally travel carryon), but my husband has a service dog and that takes extra time at the ticket counter. So we have to arrive 2 hours early when he's also flying.
We have good Amtrak service in ABQ, but train prices for a roomette are so expensive now. I used to travel to L.A. and back on the train. Now, if I can get a non-stop flight, that's a better choice. Makes me sad, as I love trains.
I always enjoy your videos. See you in the sky - or boat - or train. But, hopefully, NOT on a bus...
I travelled from Orlando Airport to Miami last August. Less than 2 weeks before the new Brightline station opened... Had to take the bus which annoyingly took about an hour longer than the train. I wanted to see what the journey would've been like on the train and from your video it definitely would've been a better experience in terms of comfort and speed.
I love aviation, but Brightline has a wonderful product. Would love to see it here in Texas. Took brightline earlier this year from FLL to PBI.
Brightline is considering building in the Texas Triangle area for rail.
Currently, Texas Central is planning high-speed rail from Houston to Dallas. They are partnering with Amtrack to help secure federal grants to start the project..
@@brucebanana4486 I can totally see Texas Central complete one portion of the triangle while Brightline complete another portion, thus creating something similar to the JR's in Japan where they complement each other's services despite being different companies.
40 minutes faster flying for more money and a lot more "hurry up and wait" between getting to the airport early, boarding, etc, I think the train is the clear winner in the scenario. One possible way that can eat in to that time is checked bags. I think we've all spent 40 minutes waiting for our bags sometimes, and the additional time getting to the baggage claim area probably would have put you over the train time anyway. Great video as always, can't wait for the next one!
If you want to include potential traffic delays, you should begin and end each test at points equidistant from the terminals with about the same probability for delays due to traffic. I would also rule out running and fast walking as well. A nice stroll would account for people who don’t move as fast as you folks. 😉
Personally, I would choose the train. It appears to be a much more enjoyable and less stressful experience despite the difference of an hour. Having said that, it is a great video as always and entertaining to watch.
I thought about that too ... but in Orlando, they would have taken the same amount of time to get from anywhere to the combined airport / train station. If the two were in different places, travel time to each would be a factor, as it is, travel time to both is the same.
In Miami, they did account for this, by choosing an end point downtown, away from the station and airport.
I would also choose the train, if I ever found myself in a place where there was train service. My city only has one Amtrak train come through a day, and it doesn't go anywhere I would want to travel unless I wanted to do an 18 hour + ride each way. We NEED more and better trains in the USA!
Great video! While planes are still needed for longer travel, we really need a better train system because they're so much better than cars
Very entertaining video - and Brightline looks fantastic! To make it more apples-to-apples, you and Suzanne could have raced each other in the same direction, with one of you taking the train and the other flying. I think I’ve seen TPG do that (for example, train vs. plane from New York to DC).
What else can be said that hasn't already been said? Jeb is the man!
Do JetBlue vs Southwest vs Alaska
That’s a really nice train. Cant wait for Brightline West. Hopefully LA will beef up their metro service to make it work for everyone.
Brightline the best train in American history
Yeah true. Coming closer to Europe Level
Brightline is amazing! Got bored one day flew from DCA to MIA, took public transportation from MIA to Brightline, then to MCO and then back to DCA.
Jeb you're one of the best UA-camrs! Thanks for your videos.
Don’t know if others already mentioned this, but maybe you could’ve added carbon emissions comparison per passenger mile. Train most likely comes out way ahead here, so even if trip took 40 min longer it had a much lower carbon footprint.
Adjust for delays. If the average delay is 30 min, then you should add 30min to flying.
For regular commuters, especially when work is concerned, you probably get 90% of the time on a train available to work. That cannot be overstated. Likewise the overall lower stress levels, especially when traveling with kids, makes the train a win for such a small time difference.
I feel like the better way to compare would have been for the two of you to travel simultaneously. One takes the plane and the other takes the train
I don’t agree.
You don't agree with them splitting up to see who arrives at their destination faster? Why not?@@downhillking2
Great video.
Our Son & his family live in Miami and as we get older we will seriously consider taking the train!!
For domestic flights I'd say about 2 hours at most is what you need for check in, security, snacks etc. For International flights I'd give it about 4 to 5 hours at least!
I don't think Google Maps takes into account pedestrian crossings either Suzanne, so hopefully that answers your question.
That 40 min difference between train and plane is honestly kind of negligible if you are just travelling between Miami and Orlando. I'd definitely take a train though purely based on a cost/emissions/service perspective. I will come to the states and ride Brightline one day!
Very true, it was closer than we expected!
@@GreenerGrass It seemed so tense haha!
Amazing Race Jeb. The crossover we didn't know we needed
Train for me. Less stressful. More relaxing.
I'm happy to hear that your flight wasn't 45 hours long. Or 114, 126, 132, 83, or even 112 hours. God forbid having to sit on a plane for that long! lol 🤣
Love the amazing race vibe, Suzanne! Speaking of…. You two would be great for that show!!!!!
I remember when Amtrak completed electrification to Boston from NY, and again, center to center may have been only a little shorter by train, but oh the comfort. And same for DC to NY. Even with the DC airport on the metro system, the NY airports are just too far out. Makes me want to do this cycle from The Washington Monument to The Empire State building.
You guys never fail to make me smile and full of joy~ kinda like a little kid. It is wonderful! I have always wanted to see what the airline "sky club lounges" are like, maybe one day I will be able to see them. Thank you always for all that you do to uplift us all. Have a great week!
Jeb, I really adore watching your videos. Your my top UA-camr!
Great video, it was exciting to watch. Thanks.
Yes! Knew such video was coming but didn’t know it would be so soon!
Watching this video streaming from Delta wifi on a flight to Detroit! Never felt so connected to you Jeb! First class but no PDB for us😢.
Haven’t watched one of your videos in so long! Feels great to be back.
Welcome back, glad to have you!
Add Luggage and the chance of weather and I bet more times than not the train wins. Great video!
Awesome seeing you in Miami! I reverted moved down here for college and I am super excited about the Bright Line!
Love this! You had to factor in time for the uber in Miami but you didnt on the other side. This would have been a better experiment from a Disney Hotel to Downtown Miami.
Thanks for riding with me, I was your onboard lead for that stretch -Daniel
Thanks so much for your help!!
My dream is to make this kind of video after Brightline West opens
Please do. I do think the total travel time of the train will be close to the total travel time of the airline. Even if the train isn't faster, the train only needs to come close to the time for it to win out due to extra levels of comfort. Love your channel btw.
I think with TSA pre and AA EXP, my target is always to clear security 1 hour before departure. So call it 1:15/20 before door close. Haven’t missed a flight, but definitely been stressed a handful of times.
It’s always a good Saturday when Jeb posts, keep up the amazing work!
The 4h25m you spent relaxing and eating great food. Whereas most of that 3h45m in air travel you just spent waiting in boredom without any food or much comfort.