as weak as yamcha may have been in battle he is quite the beast in the kitchen. that's the only reason i let him live as he's a chef worthy of a saiyan prince
@@lssjvegeta7103I'm tired of these stupid comments. Yamcha is not even weak. Are you high or something. Of course the guy with the Vegeta pfp would say dumb crap like this. Who would have thunk?!
For advancing the humans techniques yamcha could have ki claws when he uses wolf fang fist like how Goku black has a ki scythe. Also love this video and the one before.
Each person could have their own unique fighting style/transformations. Yamcha with his own “light speed mode” like dyspo and now your ki claw idea, he would absolutely be relevant. Him being a speed blitz character would give him his own dynamic like jojo stands😊
@@boneman9751 We need a fan game timeline What iF of this series where we have a playable Yamcha where you can do these moves! If only we got all this plus more in that Z Kakarot game that came out a few yrs ago!
On mondos cj Anel it shows cómics dbz fan made but look legit in one of them krillin is the last z fighter he becomes ans android and is on perfect cells lvl he trains goten
@@boneman9751 old comment but you mentioning light speed mode and jojo made me think of Kars. WFF would be out there cutting beams and ki blasts in half like Kars' blade.
worth noting: Tiencha can potentially use *multiple* Spirit Thunderballs, one for each clone. This gives him a move that's flat-out superior to Piccolo's Grenade attack.
Remember: Krillin invented the first (known) Sharp Ki, a force multiplier so potent *everyone who ever sees it immediately realises its value*. With training in a more esoteric way, not just STRONK but also experimenting with techniques, he could develop some very interesting uses thereof, the likes of which would change things significantly.
@@tentaplayz3691 Think about it: all ki attacks are either waves, blasts, or beams. Piccolo technically has a drill beam, but Krillin came up with the disc, the only *sharp* ki attack. Everyone else was running around with various clubs and sticks, Krillin showed up with a sword.
I think Krillin should develop a Destructo disc aura that emanates from his body. When he attacks people he can slice right through them with any body part that touches an opponent
It doesn't even seem to be that hard to do either. Vegeta used it after seeing it used once. So did Frieza. Unless they also already knew how to do it. I would like to see Krillin develop a version that counters regeneration and even ignores ki barriers, possibly by using God Ki with it. Make it so that he can actively threaten opponents who are billions of times stronger than him, because he honed this ki blade so damn well. Buu regens from SSJ3 Goku's attacks, but Krillin comes in here to slice him in half, leaving the Majin wondering why he can't just put himself back together like he usually does.
Yamcha was the first Z fighter to learn how to control and move Ki it would be really cool if Yamcha combined the spirit fission technique with Spirit Ball and learned how to control another person's Ki so kinda like Blood Bending from Avatar the Last Airbender where Yamcha can control the other person's body via their Ki.
@@freakplayer82 what do you mean not Dragonball like? Ginyu literally swapped bodies Guldo could stop time by hiding his Breath. Vegeta can remove foreign energy from a person by just Touching them. Goku can read minds. Yamcha controlling someone's body by taking hold of their ki totally fits Dragon ball. It also makes him a little OP without being physically strong being able to Restrain a fighter stronger than him.
i love how if a character in dragon ball needs to get stronger, the fanbase always comes up with insanely convoluted ways to achieve it meanwhile toriyama is like: uuuhhh i dunno they just use the dragon balls i guess :)
All things considered, Toriyama really got lucky with his writing ability in mind. His fan base somehow has a greater understanding of his own story lmao
@@only1sn1not1taken That's because those "similar techniques" are a foundational aspect of ALL human martial arts. UI is stupid. Not because it's an "ass-pull", but because literally every Z-Fighter from OG Dragonball would have already known and surpassed the canon explanation of its function. You train until thought leaves the equation. And then you train until you can think about what's happening while your body operates on autopilot, so you don't get blindsided by a clever opponent that tricks your reflexes with a feint.
I posted this on the other video, but there’s actually a scene in the manga where Tenshinhan thinks to himself that he will have to master the basics of King Kai’s techniques and put his own spin on them if he wants to compete with Goku, and the fact that Toriyama never followed up on that has to the most glaring missed opportunity for him. You mentioned how he might be able to improve his multi-form technique, and that would’ve been the most natural thing to pair with Kaioken if he ever went through with his pledge to improve those techniques. I always explain it with a balloon. Think of the balloon as a fighter’s body and the air inside the balloon as their ki. The kaioken technique increases the air inside the balloon, but the downside is that the balloon is being over-inflated and could potentially pop. The multi-form, meanwhile, creates full copies of the balloon but is limited to the amount of air from the original, so you end up with multiple under-inflated balloons. If you combine these two ideas, you can use multi-form to create copies and then kaioken to fully inflate them without the risk of popping because they’re not actually being inflated beyond their normal limits. The two techniques essentially negate each other’s weaknesses. Tenshinhan could split himself into any number of clones and use kaioken to make them all fully-powered.
The other weakness isn't negated, Kaioken eats stamina. So it's not full on cheating, but it IS a clever use of two techniques to amplify each other. Edit: Especially because if he just splits in two, he only needs to run 2x Kaioken, which is pretty stamina efficient.
I think Tien can wield both Ultra Ego & Ultra Instinct and could attain a new destroyer power that no destroyers knew existed which absorbs other destroyer's Haikai.
@@osirisjojo6876 would be way to hard to obtain and wouldn’t fit plot, i think ultra instinct would be the best fit and even that would be way to hard to obtain maybe at the end of dbs it would br cool for him achieving it
@@Nathan-ug1oh maybe maybe not but I'm tried of goku getting everything while tien gets nerfed to the ground and treated like a pushover. Tien trains every day, hard-core training at that who should be so op that he would be their ace in most situations. A genius fighter inventing and mimicking techniques plus the skillest (and jackest) warrior on the crew that deserved way more respect and attention than the sayians period. In the Manga, goku used haki on zamas so he is capable of using it and ultra instinct.
Absolutely. They’d be insane not to include him. I do think that when Super comes back. They’ll animate both the Moro and Granola arcs and then move from there. So if this is the case it might take a little bit of time before we see Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo in Super.
I always had an idea where Yamcha pairs the spirit ball with the wolf fang fist where each hit places a spirit ball on the victim and when Yamcha hits him away then the spirit ball acts like a normal one before exploding on the final impact
This is pretty similar to a move in a fan comic I saw and I thought it was pretty awesome there, honestly I do like the idea of the humans utilizing more open techniques like the Genkidama to create their own mixed techniques. I mean they are martial artists after all, mixing up different moves and techniques shouldn't be new.
I'd imagine something like Yamcha throws the spirit ball, if he hits his opponent they get trapped in the lightning trap and now he can throw them around inside a spirit ball but it requires a lot of ki to move a person depending on their ki
Holy shit my boy yamcha gonna get a hakaishin form. Also you're the first dude with a good mic under 1,000 subscribers (Hope your channel grows exponentially.)
I'm amazed with your creativity with the Earthlings. But there's something else we can't forget and that's the ultra Divine water that Goku drank during the King Piccolo Saga. That gave him the power to tap into his great ape form. What if all the humans drank that water after King Piccolo was killed? Then what if the humans trained with Kami during that 5-year period between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z?
@@grimmspectrum1547 From what I understand, the lore blurb that mentions that (blurb singular I believe) only says he's descended from the "Three Eyed Clan" and gives no info beyond that.
We’re talking about the dance right? Because if we are then yeah they need to be relative in size and power. For evidence check Dbz ch 275 page 6 and you can see Goku states the size thing.
Bruh! You dont know how much I needed this video. I been thinking the same things for years. Now I just need to see this in drawn in a book. I'd back that project all day.
I feel as thought the humans of dragon ball are some of the most underrated characters of the franchise and deserve more opportunities to grow. Great video!
So you want krillin to get more opportunities to grow stronger as yamcha has completely given up on being a fighter and Tien and master roshi aren't human which leaves krillin as the only one who has kept up with training and even then he only does it in his spare time now because of his wife and daughter.
Mystic form would likely be much higher than a 30x boost. Elder Guru's boost for Krillin was a 50x boost, equal to an SSJ transformation (though it took a bit of time for that power to fully materialize). Elder Kai's potential unlock ritual was said to be much greater than that. I personally think for the humans, the mystic form should be at least double the Elder Kai's boost. Also, in my head canon, I think the spirit ki training would be incredibly effective in enabling the humans to surpass the x20 multiplier. Given that the spirit ki training would give them incredible mastery of ki, and the kaioken is a technique wholly based on ki utilization/manipulation. So the greater their mastery of ki control & manipulation, the higher they could increase the kaioken multiplier.
Another missed opportunity: I mentioned on your previous video how Multi-Form can be used for training purposes, this could accelerate their training by a factor of 3. Each earthling creates 2 clones. the clones fight while the original meditates. That's physical, combat, and spiritual training happening simultaneously. They could even pair their clones off against each other. And this could accelerate the rate at which they approach Ultra Instinct as well, learning to channel ki and restrain it inside the body instead of losing it in aura displays. I would argue that Krillin and Tien's training would lag behind, because of their family and life commitments. But that using the Chamber of Spirit and time three days a week (M-W-F) for several years would more than make up for it. Another thing everyone forgets: ROSHI. He mastered a form of energy control and can multiply his power at-will, though not to Kaio-Ken levels. Whenever he needs to fight a powerhouse, he does that bulk-out transformation. That's something he could teach the others. The final thing you missed out on was acclimation training: Goku trained with Gohan in the CoSaT by just turning Super and staying there, getting their bodies used to being at that level. Frieza did the same with Gold-form. So if the Earthlings practiced Kaio-Ken and Mystic-Form acclimation, until they could maintain it in their everyday lives without strain, their bodies would acclimate until their base power would rise towards the minimum they could achieve while powered up. Further, they could use the Yardrat healing technique on themselves while training with Kaio-Ken, to heal their bodies as they train and strain, letting their base non-transformed bodies grow stronger with exercise much faster and without needing downtime to recover.
I don't think Multi-Form works that way. Every time we've seen Piccolo training with his clones it was by sparring with them himself, they don't transfer experience the way Shadow Clones do or give their physical gains back to the wielder.
Loved it. Only nitpick is how often you toss the humans in the Room of Spirit and Time. Remember that the Saiyans age much slower as far as staying at the peak is concerned. The humans being in their 40's is gonna impact their strength more. Speaking as someone who works out 4-6 times a week in their 40's. Still loved this and the previous video.
Isn't Bulma always summoning Shenron to make her look Younger BY 5 YEARS!!💀, and also Saiyans remain in their Peak till 60-80 Years after that when the Old Age starts they Age Rapidly and their Average Life Span was 70 Years probably due to fighting and stuff before Planet Vegeta Blew Up, it seems that Saiyans don't have a "Middle Age" they go from Adult to Old directly and it wouldn't be hard to summon Shenron and return them to their peak forms
The only thing I'd add is that the you can now make an argument that they could obtain a unique Potential Unleashed form as they master and evole Ultimate/Mystic. Good video.
Something I always wondered in the Buu arc. Gohan taught Videl how to fly, she knows that he and the Z fighters can shoot ki blasts, how come she never asked anyone to teach her that technique?
Because Videl has always been a hand-to-hand combat person do to being trained by her father mr. Satan in karate, judo or whatever other martial Art's he could.
@@grimmspectrum1547 well that's fair. But she should've asked any of them to teach her some other techniques, like say (I forgot what this one's called) the ability to move around so fast that it looks like you're teleporting (the one they do in combat, not instant transmission obviously) that sounds like it would be a useful tool for her fighting style, though it might need a lot of training, but still.
@@huzaifahahmed4303 it's called an afterimage and it only happens when you move so fast that you appear to be creating copies of yourself, Videl is not fast enough to use that technique so she can't learn it and She may not have enough ki to use any projectile type atks as they've said flying doesn't use that much ki unless you want to fly fast which uses much ki.
8:50 lol I already know where this is going but what people need to understand is that healing =/= regeneration. Using the Kaioken whilst healing won't allow you to automatically reach crazy unlimited multipliers with absolutely no drawbacks. Let's say their limit is a x20 Kaioken. Yes, actively healing oneself while using the Kaioken would effectively nullify any and all strain that usually accompanies and is synonymous with said technique and allow them to hypothetically operate at their highest respective multipliers for an indefinite duration. The problem begins when they try to go over this limit. The healing factor will permit them to go a certain degree higher. They might be able to manage a x25 or even a x30 Kaioken! But from here onwards, the higher the multiplier used, the higher the strain and it all comes down to the resilience/determination of said fighter mentally/physically etc. as the case may be. The usual rules of Kaioken thus come back into play here. This essentially brings the strains of their previous maximums (20x etc.) all the way down to zero and treats it as a base Kaioken. (So actually, yes, typing this I now realise that a x40 Kaioken is completely feasible) Healing is regeneration on a molecular level. The cell repairs itself, damaged cells are rebuilt and even the creation of entirely new cells takes place (a case of the latter going into overdrive is a prime example of regeneration. This is also a principle of mutation/cancer cells). The repaired cells mean repaired, new and healthy tissue which then connects with each other and this heals organs, limbs, systems etc. as the case may be. Healing is basically slow regeneration (no this isn't Minecraft💀) While regeneration is basically healing on enchanted steroids. These are the limits of healing. Enter regeneration. Heal an impaled character, they survive and they are alive, however, the gaping hole still remains (they may not necessarily be wounded though). If the character regenerates, suddenly they are full and no longer fighting on an empty stomach (lol Buu and Piccolo, we're looking at you guys👀👀) Heal a *disarmed* character and their wounds merely close up. A character that can regenerate, however, will get completely brand new, healthy and fully functioning limbs. Healing replenishes health Regenerating rebuilds body parts This is why Senzu beans clear up cuts and bruises but don't take care of scars and dismemberment. Healing is partial. Regeneration is complete. Let me put it another way. Healing is like downloading a program: 1%....2%....5%....10%....25%......50%......75%......85%....90%...95%....99%.............100%....................Installing.......... Regeneration is absolute. Like binary. It's either a 1 or a 0. It's certainity. 1. Not 1/2. Not probability and fractions and decimals like healing. It is not partial it is WHOLE. 1/1. So in summary: Healing Kaioken increases your physical threshold and provides a means to further increase your Kaioken ability, while the Regen Kaioken is the ideal one to go for. This provides that hypothetical infinite boost and that would make one OP to say the VERY LEAST. Get Piccolo to learn it. I ACTUALLY *LEGIT* DON'T KNOW WHY HEEE OF ALLL PEOPLE HASN'T LEARNT IT YET!!! wowwwww....🤦🏾♂ Kaioken w/ Healing is good but the reason why it is inherently limited is because the multiplier will get to a stage where it essentially can't keep up with the rate of the Kaioken side effect. In other words, the strain from the Kaioken is inflicted faster than the host can heal themselves. So Kaioken with healing is x2 of Kaioken _without_ healing. Hmmm...of course this does all come down one's healing factor🤔🤔......wait!😳 what if they...had an *infinite healing factor!!* 🙀 That would literally defeat my whole 2 hour comment, lol GOODNIGHT before this man dies of overthinking😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would have The earthlings show up one day after talking a break from learning UI Just too realize Master roshi has been secretly training with whis and has figured out his own variation of UI. “Turtle Style Ultra instinct” finding a middle ground between what he showed against jiren and the ladder. Maybe even granting him a physical augmentation between max power and regular shape. Maybe even exhibiting a contained aura around himself similar to that of containing God ki. Where anything that interrupts the ki the user immediately reacts. Autonomous Turtle instinct
roshi got soemthing that whis said "its similar but a far cry from that technique (UI)" but he did it alone without god ki and without any guidance. now he has seen it I hope next time there is conflict on earth and nobody can help roshi goes and appears with silver eyes that would be so ridiculoisly hype
I hope you will continue this What If in future Arcs. This is actually made me rly sad, bcs the Earthlings were badass. I know Vegeta is more like a MC now, but theres a reason why people love Side characters like Piccolo Gohan Vegeta even some still Tien and Yamchu.
Yeah I do plan on updating this every 3-5 arcs, but I’m also thinking about tackling other characters like Goten and Trunks. Also thinking about dropping a video about what forms would the Earthlings get if they wished for it. Something like what Piccolo did in the most recent movie.
So fusion is only their base forms not their maximum transformations. So for example base Goku + base Vegeta *100 would be base Vegito and then he could use the SSJ transformations.
So from what I was able to gather. It’s the fighters in their most potent forms. That’s what I was able to find. Idk if there’s any other evidence against this. So it goes SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta *100 would be base Vegito. I can send you a link to a video that goes way more in depth if you want.
Honestly I think you did very well with this. One of the few things you could have done to make them stronger was let's see you decided to have Yamcha become the candidate for God of destruction that's all fine and good but either in the last part or in this part you could have had one of the Earthlings move for the role of Supreme Kai train under Shin and the Elder kai. Where it's not just okay now you've got the ultimate form you don't need to worry about the guys anymore the guys have pretty decent techniques including the creation of things from locks of material and clothing up to entire planets. Honestly I probably would have given the Supreme Kai training role to either Krillin or Tein because he used to being alone and studying stuff like that Krillin because I could see him taking his family to live on a plan of the cars or if he can't take them specifically to a planet of the Kai's I can see them building his own Kai planet for them.
Tenshinhan is the original creator of the taiyoken (solar flare). He also missed and opportunity by not choosing to enter the room of spirit and time at the cell saga actually all of them did. Krillin should perfect his kienzan and be able to control it's direction making it follow opponents. Strange how they stoped developing they humans.
Meanwhile Chiaotzu just doesn't exist. He had more drive than Yajirobe at least. Sure he was weaker potential wise but I still feel he could have improved enough to fuse with Krillin if he kept up as well.
Chiaotzu is the odd duck of the team. He has psychic powers, which are a completely separate thing from Ki and Magic. Yet he's also the weakest physically. Such a unique source of power to draw from gives him an interesting path to follow... but he also basically has no zero mentors to teach him anything. Being psychic is very rare. Guldo from DBZ and Hit from Super showcase just how deadly psychic abilities can be... but these rare powers seem to always go hand in hand with laziness. Even Hit, who is the strongest user of such a power, is over reliant on his one trick. Psychics never seem to reach their full potential.
I really like your theory on the earthlings, I was always disappointed with the fact that they after awhile most of them were practically just background characters in comparison to everyone else. It would be awesome if we saw thing actually happen to some extent
Personally, I would have given Master Roshi some spotlight for the Humans training for Ultra instinct as if Krilin did lose up to before Roshi does wouldn't he catch Whis's speech on Roshi's movement? 2ndly if we want the humans to train under Whis, have the Broly fight, and the like. I would've replaced Master Roshi for Frieza. Would make Goku's push into Ultra Instinct territory more on a remembrance trail for fan Easter eggs and make it more genuine least in my opinion. 3rd I would put more influence on the Dodon Ray, Kienzan, Wolf fang fist, and Spirit Ball in a new typical Yamcha fashion. Outside of all of that tho. You're videos on the earthlings have been fantastic and I genuinely enjoy the prospects.
UI for earthlings are possible albeit weaker version. humanized / primitive version of it since Master Roshi manage to do a similar/same principle of it with years of training without the time chamber nor god ki on other hand, they could learn how to harness spirit ball/bomb as boosters Krillin can learn spirit sword (kinda like destructo disc but on his hands), Yamcha can learn dragon or/and soaring fist and Tien for more stronger and faster tri-beam (tri-beam is slow to charge but if this is improved, it can be deadly)
In this scenario, I do think the Broly fight would occur. Except it would occur late into the Heeters arc. Cheelai and Lemo are bounty hunters at the end of it all, so it would make sense that they would discover Broly/Paragus and bring them to the Heeters as a way to get into good graces with future rulers. Though this could also lead into a Broly/Paragus v Granolah feud until the three manage to sit down and talk, maybe. All outcast by what they knew, and all. And with the knowledge of Saiyans still existing, this would eventually put Granolah, even if not the rest of the Heeters, on the path to fight Goku and Vegea. This time, with Broly as possible backup. Whether that leads into the Dragon Balls being discovered is up in the air, but it would effectively turn into Gogeta and Tiencha vs Granolah and possibly a normal SSJ Broly (skipping wrathful and not unlocking Full Power unless someone specifically merks Paragus). This would occur by the Multiform being used to buy Goku and Vegeta time to fuse, with Krillin helping, and once returning, Tien and Yamcha would then fuse as Gogeta and Krillin will buy more time. And since Tien and Yamcha wouldn't think to IT to Piccolo for it, Granolah would see it and maybe try to do it on the fly with Broly. Possibly even succeeding because, let's face it, Dragon Ball characters don't interrupt others charging up. Eventually this leads to Granolah and possibly Paragus dead, Broly mingling with the other Saiyans as normal on Whis' planet, with the Earthling trio present. While this would bring the rest of the Heeters knocking, and possibly armed with the knowledge of the Dragon Balls to make the wish for Gas, it would likely end with Gas' loss and death and the Heeters getting folded. The story then progresses into Super Hero as normal.
You know the humans unlike the saiyans would suffer from old age. They would have to wish to be young again at some point or Whis might just have a de-age beam knowing him.
My biggest concern is how aging affects the earthlings in these vids... Saiyan's stay in their prime longer than a human does, that's why they can use time dilation stuff to get a leg up in training
They can use the Dragon balls to wish to be back in their prime and if for whatever reason they start this training now they can use the time chamber for like a month real time so they are aged back where they started
This was fantastic, you did a great job and these were really good points. It got me thinking and Id like to offer one more option for the humans to power up, enough to close the gap with the Saiyans: Bulma, Gero and Cell. As I understand it the super Saiyan transformation isn't just pushing the bodies power past it's limit like the kaioken, it's temporarily evolving the body to its next stage, like a digimon, which comes with a much higher limit. So Bulma spent the entire android saga learning how Geros androids work, it's entirely possible she could find some way to transform or evolve the human body to have a greater power limit like SSJ while still remaining a biological creature like Cell. That's basically how the Saiyans gained the ability in the first place. Also with your point about the healing technique, that's another thing Bulma can do since Gero was able to clone namekian techniques and abilities, and we saw even stuff like UI can be cloned with Moro. And I know it's not canon but we saw kaioken×100 is basically super Saiyan, I would definitely believe that one of the human Z fighters, or maybe even Maron if she becomes a fighter, could figure out how to maintain that power and even use it as a full transformation technique, if they could just reach it once.
I'd say this is looking accurate though I would of put more into Yamcha as the god of destruction candidate, since that could of led to Ultra Ego being included given that he'd be training more with destruction energy to fill that promise.
This is a very good vid laying out what could have happened to keep these characters up. It's fine to have Goku and Vegeta still being the easy top two the level gaps wouldn't be so egregious if thing where done this way and would give them even more agency showing they're capable of taking out big bads too. Sadly tho it is at a point where whatever power up they'd get to be as nearly as strong wouldn't feel as satisfying as seeing their consistent growth.
The one and only thing that would suck is the simple fact they're human and most likely will speed up their dying process from over training their bodies. For the record they will never meet ssb levels but they can reach ssj3 levels with respect unless the humans hack with the dragon balls or some other method to give their bodies longevity.
@@joeyharry3043 so true smoke them herbs 😂 but wouldn't them becoming androids would hinder their abilities to learn skills.. Nvrmnd I take that back because Krillin taught android 18 how to throw the destructo disk.
Wouldn’t Spirit Control training on it’s own allow the Humans to tap into higher Kaioken Multipliers since the better one’s Ki Control is the better they can use the Technique?
Nah, the thing is, Vegeta's Yardrat Training is extremely important as it let Vegeta train his spirit, which is definitely essential to attain Ultra Ego.
Dayuum this is much better than the canon for me lol. Not as good as the one with Bardock squad surviving and meeting Goku though. That shit was fire. Lmfao the earthling trio just turned the Moro arc into the fight back meme literally chasing him down haha.
Something to consider: Goldo, of the Ginyu Force, could manipulate time. They might have written that off as a singular ability. But when Hit uses it, and describes it as a technique he can improve, that means it's not a racial thing or a unique mutation. That makes it something LEARNED. That means other people could learn it as well. That'sa technique they could pursue. Time manipulation.
Nah bro it is a singular ability & unique mutation simply because No one else has the ability 1 an 2 the ginyu force is made of powerful mutagenic freaks.. think about it. recoome etc where all abominable psychos an were far from normal in terms of ability an power.
@@jayclearmen411 Except Hit shows it's not. It's an incredibly rare ability, but not a singular mutation. Others *can* do it, nobody else figured out how and Goldo kept it a secret.
Are you planning on continuing this series? I would really like to see Krillin and Tien and Yamcha evolve their Potential Unleashed Forms like Gohan and Piccolo did in DBS: Superhero.
If you're planning to continue the series and it is based upon the earthlings you have a very limited pool of 2 as I'm not sure you're aware that Tien and master roshi for clarification are not human. So that leaves you with yamcha and krillin unless you want to add random people like custom characters in.
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 it seems you were only raised on DBZ and never watched DB or you would know but since you don't know that means instead of looking it up you just commented your disbelief. I'll explain he is from the otherworld as is his sister lady baba
Honestly Tien seems like he'd be the first character to actually master Ultra Instinct, Goku is a fighter but he isn't a monk. He has willpower and strength but not mental stability and wholeness.
@@BeanBoiYami just cool to see that there are fans that still care about these 3 outside of played out jokes. All are good characters just have already been fleshed out and served their purpose to the story. Wish Toriyama wasn’t so forgetful in his later years writing the series
My head canon was always, saiyans were bred to be warriors. So complex techniques not originating from their home planet like kaoi ken and yardrat came easier to them, and perhaps to them only. Humans could learn techniques created on their home planets but not much more. So this would cap them at base level saiyans in super. Thematically, saiyans were aggressive warriors, and humans much calmer, meditating and learning to control their ki. The interaction of these 2 breeds created the strongest warriors, ie z fighters. Also explains Saiyan half breeds having insane potential. Also explains namekians being strong guardians sent to other planets and piccolo far surpassing by interacting with humans.
you want things you missed? - Ultra divine water, it should give them a 40% to 50% power boost. - they can ask Shenron to create a (Super human) form for them.... he pretty much created a new form for Piccolo so his should still be possible. - Yamcha will NOT focus on UI, he'll try the same thing Vegeta is trying, the power of a god of destruction, because he's a Canidate for that role. - magic.... wev'e seen the power of the supreme Kais, Buu, and Moro with their magic, so atleast one of them might go that path. - ask Shenron for a power-up, both Piccolo and Granola did something similar.
I don't know if i like giving the earthlings ultra instinct cause i feel it would strip away the uniqueness of it and make everyone a copy of goku, i would much prefer if each one followed their own unique path to strenght like goku and vegeta, but i understand that it wouldn't be possible for this video because the video has to follow already existing rules and can't create something new. Also a god of destruction Yamcha would be absolutely hilarious
I actually think this falls in line quite well. Humans are among, if not the weakest, and because of that weakness their true power shines in their versatility and combat creativity(it's said to be a common trait among all the weaker races and is likely why Human hybrids are so strong)
@Bruh_but_why Im talking about humans as a whole, not the Z-fighters. The Earthling z-fighters themselves are anomalies, despite how much they've fallen off. Earthlings were never "destined" to be warriors like some of the other races with ingrained abilities like Saiyans and Ceruleans. They got strong enough to survive, then grew smart enough to think their way out of situations that would require the brawn races like Saiyans have. Even the Earths atmosphere/gravity isn't catered to birthing strong fighters. You only get anomalies like the magically inclined Earthlings or the Strong Willed who put up with the grueling training it takes to reach or get close to someone like Roshi's level, and even then, they rarely compare to the other races because they usually arent built to be as strong, and are basically forced to progress slowly in order for their bodies to adjust to the new strain.
@dorrianbrooks9408 I get what you're saying, but im speaking in a more meta sense. Nothing was really preventing toriyama to just make the humans stronger, like how this video did. They don't have to be as strong as goku or vegeta, but it would prevent them from being the complete jobbers they are in the main story. They could at the very least make up some new ways to use and manipulate ki. Would be better than just them doing nothing while goku gets a new hair color.
I think that mystic would have given a larger boost than potential unlock by guru. Also I would imagine after a while a potential unlock could be used again. New base level should Imply new potential. Also they all should have learned the spirit bomb then fused it with destructo disk and spirit ball for krillin and yamcha.
I think alternate Bulma is more likely to take the android/cyborg path to power... if such a thing could be considered a 'path'. She's not really the martial arts type. The only reason I can see her seeking power to begin with is as a back-up in case all the boys finally break their winning streak and lose when everything is on the line. They fight universe ending threats all the time, so it's not unthinkable for Bulma to plan for that. Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that Bulma is way smarter than Dr. Gero. So she hijacks Gero's designs and improves upon them tremendously. Resulting in a much more powerful base cyborg form. Due to this, naturally alternate Bulma can't even appear until after the Cell Saga but she'd enter the scene as an immediate powerhouse with no training required. An alternate Chi-Chi would probably insist on being part of Goku's fighting life and be present for all of his training. She would unfortunately slow down his growth because of her greater limitations, but her presence at certain fights could also be an asset? The most crucial change of alternate Chi-Chi, however, would be her pushing Gohan to train instead of study. This might result in an ultimately less happy and perhaps even resentful Gohan who never finds his non-violence related passions... but he also would never backslide in growth. He'd only keep improving. An alternate Gohan would most likely dwarf everyone in power and easily supplant Goku as the strongest character. Honestly, I think this route might actually result in a villain version of Gohan. Moving on though. Alternate Chi-Chi would likely be stronger than canon Chi-Chi at the time of the Saiyan Saga, as she trains regularly with Goku. Let's assume she's at least as strong as the other humans. Probably a little stronger. Plus she knows all of Goku's techniques. So when the rest of the fighters train on Kami's Lookout, she accompanies them. Not only to assist Goku when he returns, but to potentially learn where Gohan is. It makes more sense for her to do this than simply wait at home for news. Chi-Chi is a very aggressive, proactive woman. I don't think she would achieve anything greater than any of the other fighters during her training at Kami's. She'd be stronger, sure, but she'll be no match for Nappa. Much less Vegeta. Saiyan women are warriors right alongside the saiyan men, so I don't see Vegeta/Nappa pulling any punches against her. She might even die like Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu. Seeing his mother die in front of his eyes could be just one more piece of trauma for Gohan to process that eventually pushes him over the edge. Anyway. Point is, her being there wouldn't change anything really. Apart from continuing her growth and mentally scarring Gohan. Chi-Chi re-enters the scene with the other fighters training on King Kai's planet. She's eventually wished back to life with the others and goes back home. When Goku arrives back on Earth, it's a notable change that she's with the group waiting for him. I can see her accompanying them to South City to look for the 'androids', always staying by Goku's side. When Goku has a heart attack, Chi-Chi leaves with him, abandoning the rest of the fighters. Goku is her primary concern. Chi-Chi doesn't show up again until Goku is ready to enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The two person limit has always been a weird stipulation that has sometimes been ignored such as in the Buu Saga. So screw it. I'm just gonna ignore it too. Chi-Chi enters the Chamber with Gohan and Goku and they train as a family. Compared to them, Chi-Chi is considerably weaker, and she slows them down somewhat. They wouldn't dare exclude her, however, and Chi-Chi agrees with Goku that most of the focus should be on improving Gohan more than themselves. Although she probably doesn't immediately grasp why. No one knew about Goku's plan to use Gohan as his replacement. She's as surprised (and horrified) as anyone when Goku sets his son up to be the hero. Both alternate Goku and Gohan end up slightly weaker in this timeline. If we allow that Gohan will (for whatever reason) not take a crippling blow for Vegeta like he does in canon, he can afford to be slightly weaker and still trounce Cell. In fact the arc might even be somewhat more anti-climactic with stronger humans. The Cell Jr's would have their hands full with a powered up alternate Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin. Plus alternate Chi-Chi is there, adding a competent fighter who previously wasn't present. I can see her forbidding Goku from giving Cell a Senzu bean after their fight (and if anyone could ever rein Goku in ever, it's his wife.) Even going so far as to bitch Vegeta out if HE objected to her objection. Chi-Chi doesn't give a damn about honor or pride. Just kill the bug monster and lets go home. Although she might have a problem with Gohan fighting Cell on his own, I can also see her being won over to the idea that it's necessary. It's also noteworthy that this timeline's Gohan is not a morally weighed down bookworm. He's the dutiful son. Living the life his parents have pushed him into. He is, mirrored by Cell, a child weapon. If they point at Cell and say "Get him, son." He does it. This Gohan is not necessarily a killer (yet) but both his mother and father are demanding results from him. So a less emotionally charged (but more brutally minded) Gohan fights a less powerful, tired Cell. And wins. Fast-forward to the Buu Saga. Gohan never goes to school. He just trains with Chi-Chi every day. Resulting in an astronomically more powerful Gohan AND Chi-Chi. She probably outmuscles Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin at this point. Although she's still only a human with no multiplier outside of Kaioken. This also means that the fighters are not present at the Worlds Martial Arts Tournament... unless... it's Chi-Chi's idea? I can see her still worrying about money and thinking the prize winnings would be easy pickings for their powerful family. She might even be annoyed when Gohan tells everyone else about it. Still, she's confident no one stands a chance against her Gohan or even her Goten. The tournament would be where Gohan first encounters Videl and it also means the Great Saiyaman doesn't exist in this timeline. If that matters. I could speculate further but I gotta go to work. Haha. Hope you enjoyed this rant.
@@trustmeits610pm2 Honestly she kinda pushed gohan into being a scholar, he didn't decide that at 5 years old. After the last tournament I can understand why she'd want to keep him from violence, but it shouldn't have been so extreme. That last budokai was the exception not the rule. Besides, winning tournaments results in prize money for college anyway so that was a missed opportunity. If anything it should've been a healthy balance of studying, which even goku learned about during his training with master roshi, and allowing gohan to take part in the other half of his heritage. He's part saiyan and not a full human after all.
My only question is: With how many fighters universe seven has capable of using Ultra Instinct in this scenario, Anytime a threat shows up, Does universe 7 have enough trumpets for the Theme music?
Tien is ironically the one that might get UI if they kept him training at higher levels. Especially if he learned that healing techinque he'll be able to launch much more powerful tri-beams. Krillian he'll be able to use Evil Containment Wave without much burnout under the same conditions. Then he could mimic the control of Spirit Ball to control his Disks much better. Yamcha at this point would need to have learned The Spirit Bomb since he has the Ki control to direct it especially if he got those boosts. Also at this point they'll be able to spar with 17, 18, Buu and Piccolo so ALL of Earth's fighters would be floating around "God" levels.
Krillin actually would. He created his own transformation as well. And has become one with himself. So…nah. Krillin would also be the fastest with God Ki. And also Hakai energy. There’s a reason he was Goku’s rival.
Tien would unlock the UI the fastest yes, he is just the better in terms of technics. For the more powerful "tri beams" (i prefer to name it kikoho), i dont think that this is possible. I mean : the kikoho is litterally the user putting the amount of ki that he want into an incredible attack. The only way to upgrade it is just to have more ki, and he will increase it naturally. Yamcha, him, would have reached they level with another way, i dont exactly know how, but he always had as problem a lack of power, but try to compensate it by the use of unusual styles. Withouth the lack of power, he would be extremly strong. For Krillin ... Well he is the worse terrian. He have the power habitually, but he is not very good in terms of technics, and here that is what make the difference.
Just the possibility of them having taken nearly every opportunity to train allowing them to have packed up Moro like a UPS driver is crazy to think about
With the full power Tiencha similar to Vegetto ssj3 part you missed that base Vegeta and Goku still stronger than base Yamcha and Tenshinhan, so even if the multiplier is bigger, it's not enough.
For a potential move for Yamcha, it would be amazing to make his Neo Wolf Fang Fist to be similar like Neji's Trigram moves. But instead of attacking the Chakra or Ki Points, Yamcha would concentrate on gathering one's Ki at the center of the body and hitting it for the final blow and making the Ki disperse making the foe weak
The only flaw i see on this hipotetic scenario is that humans might not have as much time as the saiyans =(... at the end of tournament of power they would be around 50-60 years old, taking in account all the years of training in the time dimensions.
"Tien would turn down becoming a candidate for god of destruction cause he's been like suuuuper busy lately and just has kinda a lot on his plate right now. Ya know?" Tien gets shafted even in fan stories lol
I’m just gonna say this I can’t really call tien a earthing because that also means I gotta call gohan and goten earthings they are in a different class for me that would be the hybrid race seeing how we see no Towne Cyclops besides Tien and never see how strong a pure blooded one can become
A knock-on effect that went unmentioned here is that, with their power rivaling that of the saiyans, they would actually become viable training partners for Goku and (if he sucks it up a bit) Vegeta, pushing them farther along as well. Really, even the mere fact that the humans could rival them would push Goku and Vegeta to train harder than canon.
So. >they train efficiently >goku and vegeta start training with them >now the saiyans become even stronger, meaning that the other z fighters will become stronger as well, creating a loop where both the humans and the saiyans get constantly stronger
We have Dragonballs which can make any jerk the strongest in the universe but we cant have a plot where someone wishes that earthlings have the same growth rates as sayans? Yeah it is the Goku and Vegeta show but having the others keep up would make everything more interesting.
Wait since Krillan is married to 18 wouldn't she become the perfect training partner for her. Since she is pretty strong. May allow him to catch up to them both.
A good sparring partner can be very helpful, but 18 doesn't have anything to teach Krillin really. If anything, Krillin is the innovator when it comes to Ki techniques. He's always been an underdog who makes the absolute most of what he has.
during the 2006-ish, i recall there's dragon ball doujin that taps into multiverse tournament. i like the idea of Sennin Krilin where he masters the roshi's martial art. granted, that Krilin form is only available IF Goku doesn't exist.
Yeah, they had so much opportunity and still do to make it right. If they are going to bring super back, they need to do a human arc of power. They all should decide to protect the earth and get strong just in case because Goku and Vegeta get called to train in other galaxies or maybe they got called to be space fighters and Earth is without them. Then, they can have all of them achieve new forms. Yamcha can have a beast form stage one and two. Tien can perfect the eye and become mystic because he finds out the true power of the clan he is from. Krillin because of his amazing Ki control perfects Kaio-ken to where it's 100 x and becomes more controlled read aura with read eyes and and he gets a little taller with a noise and call it Ultra Kaio-Ken
I seriously hope that with the shine Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Piccolo are getting we get to see more of the other characters, im not saying that they have to rival the main cast but being used more like in the Moro arc would be awesome. Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all showed insane potential in the begining, even more than Goku who is a saiyan then they dropped the ball hard on them, it's like Piccolo and his other abilities that even Krillin had to remind him of them in the movie. Like why can't start from the basics like Goku did? They had plenty of chances, the excuse was always "humans don't have saiyan genes, that's why Goku could drink Kami's water and learn Kaio Ken" we literally saw how Roshi could tap in the principals of an angels technique without any god training, humans are more than capable. I don't want the humans to have UI, UE or PU/beast but you can give them something, a transformation for humans doesn't really make sense imo so lets just use what we have. Make them drink the sacred water so they can unlock more hidden power, Dende can't unleash their potential and Piccolo just did it so i don't want to re use that concept. After the water, make them train with Kami so they can learn Kaio Ken (i would say that since Goku can only go up to 20x give them a maximum of 10x), in the games Krillin had his "unleashed" version of himself as a transformation, making him a pseudo Gohan so i think that in the manga should work. Then you can have Yamcha for example join the patrol and in a mission to Yadrat he learned other techniques from them aside from spirit fission and instant transmission. Make Tien use the kaio ken with his four arms form, then make him use that form to boost solar flare and his tri beam. That way you have each character being different from eachother and useful for the story. Yamcha with yadrat abilities, Tien with a more spiritual approach and Krillin like a pseudo Gohan. Pretty organic if you ask me and opens the possibility for Yamcha to get a transformation of his own under the yardrats.
In a interview Toriyama stated that the best cooks on earth are Guymao and YAMCHA. Guess whos getting the Whis special treatment
Holy shit
as weak as yamcha may have been in battle he is quite the beast in the kitchen. that's the only reason i let him live as he's a chef worthy of a saiyan prince
@@lssjvegeta7103 he may not be much on the battlefield anymore, but the ninja is a cook lol just as long as he contribute
And during the cell games, yamcha brought towels!
Cell: "And just like that, you have already contributed more than Vegeta."
@@lssjvegeta7103I'm tired of these stupid comments. Yamcha is not even weak. Are you high or something. Of course the guy with the Vegeta pfp would say dumb crap like this. Who would have thunk?!
Yamcha pledging to become a destroyer JUST because has nothing going on is the best plot point so far😅
I mean, it's not wrong lmao, bro is literally the unemployed friend of the Z Fighters
@@icyatlasartworks I thought he became a professional baseball player?
@@whynot-lv8dt let's be real, considering he's at least a planet-buster, baseball is more of a hobby than a job lol
@@icyatlasartworks Hey man, he gotta pay the bills somehow lmao
@@whynot-lv8dt you're not wrong, man's gotta put food on the table, can't blame him for that 😂
For advancing the humans techniques yamcha could have ki claws when he uses wolf fang fist like how Goku black has a ki scythe. Also love this video and the one before.
Each person could have their own unique fighting style/transformations. Yamcha with his own “light speed mode” like dyspo and now your ki claw idea, he would absolutely be relevant. Him being a speed blitz character would give him his own dynamic like jojo stands😊
@@boneman9751 We need a fan game timeline What iF of this series where we have a playable Yamcha where you can do these moves! If only we got all this plus more in that Z Kakarot game that came out a few yrs ago!
Thatd be bad ass
On mondos cj Anel it shows cómics dbz fan made but look legit in one of them krillin is the last z fighter he becomes ans android and is on perfect cells lvl he trains goten
@@boneman9751 old comment but you mentioning light speed mode and jojo made me think of Kars. WFF would be out there cutting beams and ki blasts in half like Kars' blade.
Yamcha going from a body in a crater to candidate for god of destruction is the glowup of the century
Getting yamcha'd is now synonymous with getting ripped.
worth noting: Tiencha can potentially use *multiple* Spirit Thunderballs, one for each clone. This gives him a move that's flat-out superior to Piccolo's Grenade attack.
Oh my god imagine Tiencha using the multi-arm technique to steer 6 Spirit Thunderballs at the same time, that would look so dope
@@erikb7210 imagine it with his clones by god I would be shitting my pants, straight up constant stun lock
@@erikb7210Yup
Except they would all be weak since tien has the shitty version of clones where he splits up his power between them
@@SleepLessThan3 Nah man. This is a cool hypothetical where people who like Tien want to see him succeed, not the sad realism. Lol
Yamcha solidifying his comeback arc by challenging Vegeta's destiny as destroyer is just too satisfying.
I can only imagine instead of food hes looking for babes and love to determine if the planets get destroyed
Remember: Krillin invented the first (known) Sharp Ki, a force multiplier so potent *everyone who ever sees it immediately realises its value*. With training in a more esoteric way, not just STRONK but also experimenting with techniques, he could develop some very interesting uses thereof, the likes of which would change things significantly.
wait what?
@@tentaplayz3691 Think about it: all ki attacks are either waves, blasts, or beams. Piccolo technically has a drill beam, but Krillin came up with the disc, the only *sharp* ki attack. Everyone else was running around with various clubs and sticks, Krillin showed up with a sword.
I think Krillin should develop a Destructo disc aura that emanates from his body. When he attacks people he can slice right through them with any body part that touches an opponent
With God Ki and Spirit Control I can see Krillin’s Kienzan being able to slice open passage ways into other dimensions like Goku Black’s Scythe.
It doesn't even seem to be that hard to do either. Vegeta used it after seeing it used once. So did Frieza. Unless they also already knew how to do it.
I would like to see Krillin develop a version that counters regeneration and even ignores ki barriers, possibly by using God Ki with it. Make it so that he can actively threaten opponents who are billions of times stronger than him, because he honed this ki blade so damn well. Buu regens from SSJ3 Goku's attacks, but Krillin comes in here to slice him in half, leaving the Majin wondering why he can't just put himself back together like he usually does.
Yamcha was the first Z fighter to learn how to control and move Ki it would be really cool if Yamcha combined the spirit fission technique with Spirit Ball and learned how to control another person's Ki so kinda like Blood Bending from Avatar the Last Airbender where Yamcha can control the other person's body via their Ki.
Na man thats not Dragonball like
@@freakplayer82 what do you mean not Dragonball like? Ginyu literally swapped bodies Guldo could stop time by hiding his Breath. Vegeta can remove foreign energy from a person by just Touching them. Goku can read minds. Yamcha controlling someone's body by taking hold of their ki totally fits Dragon ball. It also makes him a little OP without being physically strong being able to Restrain a fighter stronger than him.
Sooooo....Yamcha's partially responsible for the Bending Kamehamema? And the Twin Dragon Shot???
@@freakplayer82 Bro your reply's not Dragonball like🗿
@@tentaplayz3691 Possibly yes I don't know about Beam attacks but Yamcha is the first to control ki with basically just his mind at a distance.
i love how if a character in dragon ball needs to get stronger, the fanbase always comes up with insanely convoluted ways to achieve it
meanwhile toriyama is like: uuuhhh i dunno they just use the dragon balls i guess :)
Them the perks of being the creator I guess
All things considered, Toriyama really got lucky with his writing ability in mind. His fan base somehow has a greater understanding of his own story lmao
@@Bruh_but_why
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I don’t think most of these are that convoluted though
@@Bruh_but_whyyep
Roshi in manga had a small run in with imperfect UI against jiren so its definitely reachable for humans or well any race actually.
Roshi is also around 350 years old and was taught concepts similar to that of UI ever since he was a teen.
@@only1sn1not1taken That's because those "similar techniques" are a foundational aspect of ALL human martial arts.
UI is stupid. Not because it's an "ass-pull", but because literally every Z-Fighter from OG Dragonball would have already known and surpassed the canon explanation of its function.
You train until thought leaves the equation. And then you train until you can think about what's happening while your body operates on autopilot, so you don't get blindsided by a clever opponent that tricks your reflexes with a feint.
@@TheLastGarou I think it's dumb being treated as a transformation because it's just like an athlete being "in the zone".
@@only1sn1not1takenisn't UI an technique rather than a trasnformation?
@@OHGAS-rt5uc I wish but they definitely don't seem to treat it that way.
I posted this on the other video, but there’s actually a scene in the manga where Tenshinhan thinks to himself that he will have to master the basics of King Kai’s techniques and put his own spin on them if he wants to compete with Goku, and the fact that Toriyama never followed up on that has to the most glaring missed opportunity for him.
You mentioned how he might be able to improve his multi-form technique, and that would’ve been the most natural thing to pair with Kaioken if he ever went through with his pledge to improve those techniques. I always explain it with a balloon. Think of the balloon as a fighter’s body and the air inside the balloon as their ki. The kaioken technique increases the air inside the balloon, but the downside is that the balloon is being over-inflated and could potentially pop. The multi-form, meanwhile, creates full copies of the balloon but is limited to the amount of air from the original, so you end up with multiple under-inflated balloons. If you combine these two ideas, you can use multi-form to create copies and then kaioken to fully inflate them without the risk of popping because they’re not actually being inflated beyond their normal limits.
The two techniques essentially negate each other’s weaknesses. Tenshinhan could split himself into any number of clones and use kaioken to make them all fully-powered.
So, if he made 2 clones and use Kai-o-ken x 3 those 2 other clones would be as powerful as him. Is that what you're saying?
The other weakness isn't negated, Kaioken eats stamina. So it's not full on cheating, but it IS a clever use of two techniques to amplify each other. Edit: Especially because if he just splits in two, he only needs to run 2x Kaioken, which is pretty stamina efficient.
I always Imagined Yamcha to have Ultra Ego and Tenshinhan to have Ultra Instinct. They sorta are like an anti-vegeta and anti-goku
I think Tien can wield both Ultra Ego & Ultra Instinct and could attain a new destroyer power that no destroyers knew existed which absorbs other destroyer's Haikai.
@@osirisjojo6876 hmmm
And they shall call it "ultra superego".
@@osirisjojo6876 would be way to hard to obtain and wouldn’t fit plot, i think ultra instinct would be the best fit and even that would be way to hard to obtain maybe at the end of dbs it would br cool for him achieving it
@@Nathan-ug1oh maybe maybe not but I'm tried of goku getting everything while tien gets nerfed to the ground and treated like a pushover. Tien trains every day, hard-core training at that who should be so op that he would be their ace in most situations. A genius fighter inventing and mimicking techniques plus the skillest (and jackest) warrior on the crew that deserved way more respect and attention than the sayians period. In the Manga, goku used haki on zamas so he is capable of using it and ultra instinct.
Damn I want to read a manga where the Earthlings did keep training. Do you think Orange Piccolo will be seen when Super comes back?
Absolutely. They’d be insane not to include him. I do think that when Super comes back. They’ll animate both the Moro and Granola arcs and then move from there. So if this is the case it might take a little bit of time before we see Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo in Super.
@@BeanBoiYami Hey I'm not sure if you answered or not but did you account for Krillin and the humans training with 18?
i mean unless they FORGET about orange piccolo then i dont see it not happening
or course
That Tien transformation with 4 arms looks badass.
I always had an idea where Yamcha pairs the spirit ball with the wolf fang fist where each hit places a spirit ball on the victim and when Yamcha hits him away then the spirit ball acts like a normal one before exploding on the final impact
This is pretty similar to a move in a fan comic I saw and I thought it was pretty awesome there, honestly I do like the idea of the humans utilizing more open techniques like the Genkidama to create their own mixed techniques. I mean they are martial artists after all, mixing up different moves and techniques shouldn't be new.
I'd imagine something like Yamcha throws the spirit ball, if he hits his opponent they get trapped in the lightning trap and now he can throw them around inside a spirit ball but it requires a lot of ki to move a person depending on their ki
Holy shit my boy yamcha gonna get a hakaishin form.
Also you're the first dude with a good mic under 1,000 subscribers
(Hope your channel grows exponentially.)
I would’ve given him the form if I could actually find some fanart of it😞
Thank you for the compliment
Yamaha needs that God of destruction form
Krillin needs his own version of ultra instinct like (Ultra Potential)
I would watch this DragonBallEarthX
A what now
I'm amazed with your creativity with the Earthlings. But there's something else we can't forget and that's the ultra Divine water that Goku drank during the King Piccolo Saga. That gave him the power to tap into his great ape form. What if all the humans drank that water after King Piccolo was killed? Then what if the humans trained with Kami during that 5-year period between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z?
Along with everything else mentioned in these 2 parts, that would be interesting.
Tien is not an earthling he's from a race called the triclops.
@@grimmspectrum1547
From what I understand, the lore blurb that mentions that (blurb singular I believe) only says he's descended from the "Three Eyed Clan" and gives no info beyond that.
This is all on point bro amazing
So glad you did DBsuper
You just created an alternate universe with
The earthlings
It was never mentioned in the manga that people had to be the same or similar height for the fusion to work, they only need to have similar ki
We’re talking about the dance right? Because if we are then yeah they need to be relative in size and power. For evidence check Dbz ch 275 page 6 and you can see Goku states the size thing.
@@BeanBoiYami and also they said it in an episode too
That’s only with the Potora Fusion, with the Fusion Dance they need to be of Similar, build and species.
Bruh! You dont know how much I needed this video. I been thinking the same things for years. Now I just need to see this in drawn in a book. I'd back that project all day.
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I feel as thought the humans of dragon ball are some of the most underrated characters of the franchise and deserve more opportunities to grow. Great video!
So you want krillin to get more opportunities to grow stronger as yamcha has completely given up on being a fighter and Tien and master roshi aren't human which leaves krillin as the only one who has kept up with training and even then he only does it in his spare time now because of his wife and daughter.
@@grimmspectrum1547master roshi ain't human?
@@razor_ramon_ nope he is an otherworlder like his sister lady baba the old crone sitting on a crystal ball.
Mystic form would likely be much higher than a 30x boost. Elder Guru's boost for Krillin was a 50x boost, equal to an SSJ transformation (though it took a bit of time for that power to fully materialize). Elder Kai's potential unlock ritual was said to be much greater than that. I personally think for the humans, the mystic form should be at least double the Elder Kai's boost.
Also, in my head canon, I think the spirit ki training would be incredibly effective in enabling the humans to surpass the x20 multiplier. Given that the spirit ki training would give them incredible mastery of ki, and the kaioken is a technique wholly based on ki utilization/manipulation. So the greater their mastery of ki control & manipulation, the higher they could increase the kaioken multiplier.
Another missed opportunity: I mentioned on your previous video how Multi-Form can be used for training purposes, this could accelerate their training by a factor of 3. Each earthling creates 2 clones. the clones fight while the original meditates. That's physical, combat, and spiritual training happening simultaneously. They could even pair their clones off against each other. And this could accelerate the rate at which they approach Ultra Instinct as well, learning to channel ki and restrain it inside the body instead of losing it in aura displays.
I would argue that Krillin and Tien's training would lag behind, because of their family and life commitments. But that using the Chamber of Spirit and time three days a week (M-W-F) for several years would more than make up for it.
Another thing everyone forgets: ROSHI. He mastered a form of energy control and can multiply his power at-will, though not to Kaio-Ken levels. Whenever he needs to fight a powerhouse, he does that bulk-out transformation. That's something he could teach the others.
The final thing you missed out on was acclimation training: Goku trained with Gohan in the CoSaT by just turning Super and staying there, getting their bodies used to being at that level. Frieza did the same with Gold-form. So if the Earthlings practiced Kaio-Ken and Mystic-Form acclimation, until they could maintain it in their everyday lives without strain, their bodies would acclimate until their base power would rise towards the minimum they could achieve while powered up. Further, they could use the Yardrat healing technique on themselves while training with Kaio-Ken, to heal their bodies as they train and strain, letting their base non-transformed bodies grow stronger with exercise much faster and without needing downtime to recover.
I don't think Multi-Form works that way.
Every time we've seen Piccolo training with his clones it was by sparring with them himself, they don't transfer experience the way Shadow Clones do or give their physical gains back to the wielder.
The idea of the humans being stronger than Piccolo for the majority of Super is so weird but also very cool.
Loved it. Only nitpick is how often you toss the humans in the Room of Spirit and Time. Remember that the Saiyans age much slower as far as staying at the peak is concerned. The humans being in their 40's is gonna impact their strength more. Speaking as someone who works out 4-6 times a week in their 40's. Still loved this and the previous video.
Maybe God ki will slow their aging enough to compensate?
Isn't Bulma always summoning Shenron to make her look Younger BY 5 YEARS!!💀, and also Saiyans remain in their Peak till 60-80 Years after that when the Old Age starts they Age Rapidly and their Average Life Span was 70 Years probably due to fighting and stuff before Planet Vegeta Blew Up, it seems that Saiyans don't have a "Middle Age" they go from Adult to Old directly and it wouldn't be hard to summon Shenron and return them to their peak forms
The only thing I'd add is that the you can now make an argument that they could obtain a unique Potential Unleashed form as they master and evole Ultimate/Mystic. Good video.
Something I always wondered in the Buu arc. Gohan taught Videl how to fly, she knows that he and the Z fighters can shoot ki blasts, how come she never asked anyone to teach her that technique?
Because Videl has always been a hand-to-hand combat person do to being trained by her father mr. Satan in karate, judo or whatever other martial Art's he could.
@@grimmspectrum1547 well that's fair. But she should've asked any of them to teach her some other techniques, like say (I forgot what this one's called) the ability to move around so fast that it looks like you're teleporting (the one they do in combat, not instant transmission obviously) that sounds like it would be a useful tool for her fighting style, though it might need a lot of training, but still.
@@huzaifahahmed4303 it's called an afterimage and it only happens when you move so fast that you appear to be creating copies of yourself, Videl is not fast enough to use that technique so she can't learn it and She may not have enough ki to use any projectile type atks as they've said flying doesn't use that much ki unless you want to fly fast which uses much ki.
They can also wish to be younger like bulma. Since it’s not fair that Vegeta and Goku can live twice as long as humans.
I was thinking that, because all these time shenanigans can cause their body to age faster and become weaker
THANK YOU! I love this series!
8:50 lol I already know where this is going but what people need to understand is that healing =/= regeneration.
Using the Kaioken whilst healing won't allow you to automatically reach crazy unlimited multipliers with absolutely no drawbacks.
Let's say their limit is a x20 Kaioken. Yes, actively healing oneself while using the Kaioken would effectively nullify any and all strain that usually accompanies and is synonymous with said technique and allow them to hypothetically operate at their highest respective multipliers for an indefinite duration.
The problem begins when they try to go over this limit. The healing factor will permit them to go a certain degree higher. They might be able to manage a x25 or even a x30 Kaioken! But from here onwards, the higher the multiplier used, the higher the strain and it all comes down to the resilience/determination of said fighter mentally/physically etc. as the case may be. The usual rules of Kaioken thus come back into play here.
This essentially brings the strains of their previous maximums (20x etc.) all the way down to zero and treats it as a base Kaioken. (So actually, yes, typing this I now realise that a x40 Kaioken is completely feasible)
Healing is regeneration on a molecular level. The cell repairs itself, damaged cells are rebuilt and even the creation of entirely new cells takes place (a case of the latter going into overdrive is a prime example of regeneration. This is also a principle of mutation/cancer cells). The repaired cells mean repaired, new and healthy tissue which then connects with each other and this heals organs, limbs, systems etc. as the case may be.
Healing is basically slow regeneration (no this isn't Minecraft💀) While regeneration is basically healing on enchanted steroids.
These are the limits of healing. Enter regeneration.
Heal an impaled character, they survive and they are alive, however, the gaping hole still remains (they may not necessarily be wounded though).
If the character regenerates, suddenly they are full and no longer fighting on an empty stomach (lol Buu and Piccolo, we're looking at you guys👀👀)
Heal a *disarmed* character and their wounds merely close up.
A character that can regenerate, however, will get completely brand new, healthy and fully functioning limbs.
Healing replenishes health
Regenerating rebuilds body parts
This is why Senzu beans clear up cuts and bruises but don't take care of scars and dismemberment.
Healing is partial. Regeneration is complete. Let me put it another way.
Healing is like downloading a program: 1%....2%....5%....10%....25%......50%......75%......85%....90%...95%....99%.............100%....................Installing..........
Regeneration is absolute. Like binary. It's either a 1 or a 0. It's certainity. 1. Not 1/2. Not probability and fractions and decimals like healing. It is not partial it is WHOLE. 1/1.
So in summary:
Healing Kaioken increases your physical threshold and provides a means to further increase your Kaioken ability, while the Regen Kaioken is the ideal one to go for. This provides that hypothetical infinite boost and that would make one OP to say the VERY LEAST. Get Piccolo to learn it.
I ACTUALLY *LEGIT* DON'T KNOW WHY HEEE OF ALLL PEOPLE HASN'T LEARNT IT YET!!! wowwwww....🤦🏾♂
Kaioken w/ Healing is good but the reason why it is inherently limited is because the multiplier will get to a stage where it essentially can't keep up with the rate of the Kaioken side effect. In other words, the strain from the Kaioken is inflicted faster than the host can heal themselves.
So Kaioken with healing is x2 of Kaioken _without_ healing.
Hmmm...of course this does all come down one's healing factor🤔🤔......wait!😳 what if they...had an *infinite healing factor!!* 🙀
That would literally defeat my whole 2 hour comment, lol GOODNIGHT before this man dies of overthinking😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would have The earthlings show up one day after talking a break from learning UI Just too realize Master roshi has been secretly training with whis and has figured out his own variation of UI. “Turtle Style Ultra instinct” finding a middle ground between what he showed against jiren and the ladder. Maybe even granting him a physical augmentation between max power and regular shape. Maybe even exhibiting a contained aura around himself similar to that of containing God ki. Where anything that interrupts the ki the user immediately reacts. Autonomous Turtle instinct
roshi got soemthing that whis said "its similar but a far cry from that technique (UI)" but he did it alone without god ki and without any guidance. now he has seen it I hope next time there is conflict on earth and nobody can help roshi goes and appears with silver eyes that would be so ridiculoisly hype
Thats just fan fiction territory
I hope you will continue this What If in future Arcs.
This is actually made me rly sad, bcs the Earthlings were badass. I know Vegeta is more like a MC now, but theres a reason why people love Side characters like Piccolo Gohan Vegeta even some still Tien and Yamchu.
Yeah I do plan on updating this every 3-5 arcs, but I’m also thinking about tackling other characters like Goten and Trunks. Also thinking about dropping a video about what forms would the Earthlings get if they wished for it. Something like what Piccolo did in the most recent movie.
Great video, but that Yamcha/Tien fusion had a wicked receding hairline!
Hahaha. I love how goofy he looks.
So fusion is only their base forms not their maximum transformations. So for example base Goku + base Vegeta *100 would be base Vegito and then he could use the SSJ transformations.
So from what I was able to gather. It’s the fighters in their most potent forms. That’s what I was able to find. Idk if there’s any other evidence against this. So it goes SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta *100 would be base Vegito. I can send you a link to a video that goes way more in depth if you want.
Honestly I think you did very well with this. One of the few things you could have done to make them stronger was let's see you decided to have Yamcha become the candidate for God of destruction that's all fine and good but either in the last part or in this part you could have had one of the Earthlings move for the role of Supreme Kai train under Shin and the Elder kai. Where it's not just okay now you've got the ultimate form you don't need to worry about the guys anymore the guys have pretty decent techniques including the creation of things from locks of material and clothing up to entire planets. Honestly I probably would have given the Supreme Kai training role to either Krillin or Tein because he used to being alone and studying stuff like that Krillin because I could see him taking his family to live on a plan of the cars or if he can't take them specifically to a planet of the Kai's I can see them building his own Kai planet for them.
Tenshinhan is the original creator of the taiyoken (solar flare). He also missed and opportunity by not choosing to enter the room of spirit and time at the cell saga actually all of them did. Krillin should perfect his kienzan and be able to control it's direction making it follow opponents. Strange how they stoped developing they humans.
why is this more fun than goku and vegeta getting stronger, ima need a hour version of this
Meanwhile Chiaotzu just doesn't exist. He had more drive than Yajirobe at least. Sure he was weaker potential wise but I still feel he could have improved enough to fuse with Krillin if he kept up as well.
Chiaotzu is the odd duck of the team. He has psychic powers, which are a completely separate thing from Ki and Magic. Yet he's also the weakest physically.
Such a unique source of power to draw from gives him an interesting path to follow... but he also basically has no zero mentors to teach him anything. Being psychic is very rare.
Guldo from DBZ and Hit from Super showcase just how deadly psychic abilities can be... but these rare powers seem to always go hand in hand with laziness. Even Hit, who is the strongest user of such a power, is over reliant on his one trick. Psychics never seem to reach their full potential.
@@trustmeits610pm2 because if they did there would be no fight at all. but yeah their potential is insane af.
Wish there were like a super human transformation for humans, maybe they should ask shenron
I really like your theory on the earthlings, I was always disappointed with the fact that they after awhile most of them were practically just background characters in comparison to everyone else. It would be awesome if we saw thing actually happen to some extent
I would have loved to see Krillin being in a three man squad with his wife and brother in law with really good support abilities.
Bro thank you, we asked and you delivered
Personally, I would have given Master Roshi some spotlight for the Humans training for Ultra instinct as if Krilin did lose up to before Roshi does wouldn't he catch Whis's speech on Roshi's movement?
2ndly if we want the humans to train under Whis, have the Broly fight, and the like. I would've replaced Master Roshi for Frieza. Would make Goku's push into Ultra Instinct territory more on a remembrance trail for fan Easter eggs and make it more genuine least in my opinion.
3rd I would put more influence on the Dodon Ray, Kienzan, Wolf fang fist, and Spirit Ball in a new typical Yamcha fashion.
Outside of all of that tho. You're videos on the earthlings have been fantastic and I genuinely enjoy the prospects.
UI for earthlings are possible albeit weaker version. humanized / primitive version of it
since Master Roshi manage to do a similar/same principle of it with years of training without the time chamber nor god ki
on other hand, they could learn how to harness spirit ball/bomb as boosters
Krillin can learn spirit sword (kinda like destructo disc but on his hands), Yamcha can learn dragon or/and soaring fist
and Tien for more stronger and faster tri-beam (tri-beam is slow to charge but if this is improved, it can be deadly)
Your headcanon is that it’s weaker.
@@Gr0ot huh?
In this scenario, I do think the Broly fight would occur. Except it would occur late into the Heeters arc.
Cheelai and Lemo are bounty hunters at the end of it all, so it would make sense that they would discover Broly/Paragus and bring them to the Heeters as a way to get into good graces with future rulers. Though this could also lead into a Broly/Paragus v Granolah feud until the three manage to sit down and talk, maybe. All outcast by what they knew, and all.
And with the knowledge of Saiyans still existing, this would eventually put Granolah, even if not the rest of the Heeters, on the path to fight Goku and Vegea. This time, with Broly as possible backup. Whether that leads into the Dragon Balls being discovered is up in the air, but it would effectively turn into Gogeta and Tiencha vs Granolah and possibly a normal SSJ Broly (skipping wrathful and not unlocking Full Power unless someone specifically merks Paragus). This would occur by the Multiform being used to buy Goku and Vegeta time to fuse, with Krillin helping, and once returning, Tien and Yamcha would then fuse as Gogeta and Krillin will buy more time. And since Tien and Yamcha wouldn't think to IT to Piccolo for it, Granolah would see it and maybe try to do it on the fly with Broly. Possibly even succeeding because, let's face it, Dragon Ball characters don't interrupt others charging up.
Eventually this leads to Granolah and possibly Paragus dead, Broly mingling with the other Saiyans as normal on Whis' planet, with the Earthling trio present. While this would bring the rest of the Heeters knocking, and possibly armed with the knowledge of the Dragon Balls to make the wish for Gas, it would likely end with Gas' loss and death and the Heeters getting folded. The story then progresses into Super Hero as normal.
You know the humans unlike the saiyans would suffer from old age. They would have to wish to be young again at some point or Whis might just have a de-age beam knowing him.
My biggest concern is how aging affects the earthlings in these vids... Saiyan's stay in their prime longer than a human does, that's why they can use time dilation stuff to get a leg up in training
They can use the Dragon balls to wish to be back in their prime and if for whatever reason they start this training now they can use the time chamber for like a month real time so they are aged back where they started
This was fantastic, you did a great job and these were really good points. It got me thinking and Id like to offer one more option for the humans to power up, enough to close the gap with the Saiyans: Bulma, Gero and Cell.
As I understand it the super Saiyan transformation isn't just pushing the bodies power past it's limit like the kaioken, it's temporarily evolving the body to its next stage, like a digimon, which comes with a much higher limit. So Bulma spent the entire android saga learning how Geros androids work, it's entirely possible she could find some way to transform or evolve the human body to have a greater power limit like SSJ while still remaining a biological creature like Cell. That's basically how the Saiyans gained the ability in the first place.
Also with your point about the healing technique, that's another thing Bulma can do since Gero was able to clone namekian techniques and abilities, and we saw even stuff like UI can be cloned with Moro.
And I know it's not canon but we saw kaioken×100 is basically super Saiyan, I would definitely believe that one of the human Z fighters, or maybe even Maron if she becomes a fighter, could figure out how to maintain that power and even use it as a full transformation technique, if they could just reach it once.
this is for surean overstatement of the 3 bois power but its still pretty awesome
I'd say this is looking accurate though I would of put more into Yamcha as the god of destruction candidate, since that could of led to Ultra Ego being included given that he'd be training more with destruction energy to fill that promise.
This is a very good vid laying out what could have happened to keep these characters up. It's fine to have Goku and Vegeta still being the easy top two the level gaps wouldn't be so egregious if thing where done this way and would give them even more agency showing they're capable of taking out big bads too. Sadly tho it is at a point where whatever power up they'd get to be as nearly as strong wouldn't feel as satisfying as seeing their consistent growth.
I've had this theory with part 1 and 2 of your videos for the earthlings for a longass time, nice to see someone else thinks about this scenario lol
The one and only thing that would suck is the simple fact they're human and most likely will speed up their dying process from over training their bodies. For the record they will never meet ssb levels but they can reach ssj3 levels with respect unless the humans hack with the dragon balls or some other method to give their bodies longevity.
They could use the herb that master roshi uses to extend his life. Also they could become an android to counter act over training their body.
@@joeyharry3043 so true smoke them herbs 😂 but wouldn't them becoming androids would hinder their abilities to learn skills.. Nvrmnd I take that back because Krillin taught android 18 how to throw the destructo disk.
this was pretty good, i wouldnt have it any other way, you earned a sub
Tien straight up deserves ultra instinct with how badly he's been disrespected as of late
Great video man. Very interesting and in depth 😀👌
Thx man glad you enjoyed it
Wouldn’t Spirit Control training on it’s own allow the Humans to tap into higher Kaioken Multipliers since the better one’s Ki Control is the better they can use the Technique?
So my thoughts behind it was yes it does, but the only problem was the strain that would bring. So that’s why I found another way around that issue
Loved this two part videos All had great points.
Nah, the thing is, Vegeta's Yardrat Training is extremely important as it let Vegeta train his spirit, which is definitely essential to attain Ultra Ego.
Roshi and Popo had been teaching Goku the principals of UI since he was very young. Goku having a 30 year head start is no joke.
Absolutely love these videos man, it's so interesting to watch
Dayuum this is much better than the canon for me lol. Not as good as the one with Bardock squad surviving and meeting Goku though. That shit was fire. Lmfao the earthling trio just turned the Moro arc into the fight back meme literally chasing him down haha.
Something to consider: Goldo, of the Ginyu Force, could manipulate time. They might have written that off as a singular ability. But when Hit uses it, and describes it as a technique he can improve, that means it's not a racial thing or a unique mutation. That makes it something LEARNED. That means other people could learn it as well. That'sa technique they could pursue. Time manipulation.
Nah bro it is a singular ability & unique mutation simply because No one else has the ability 1 an 2 the ginyu force is made of powerful mutagenic freaks.. think about it. recoome etc where all abominable psychos an were far from normal in terms of ability an power.
@@jayclearmen411 Except Hit shows it's not. It's an incredibly rare ability, but not a singular mutation. Others *can* do it, nobody else figured out how and Goldo kept it a secret.
@@mitchhaelann9215 Isn't hit over a thousand years old though?
Then, how can they learn that ability? Like, who's gonna teach it?
A Fusion of tien and Yamaha juiced up with mystic and kaioken versus Jiren would be an AMAZING fight
Are you planning on continuing this series? I would really like to see Krillin and Tien and Yamcha evolve their Potential Unleashed Forms like Gohan and Piccolo did in DBS: Superhero.
Yep every 3-5 arcs. Also plan on making this series with other characters like Goten and Trunks
@@BeanBoiYami sweet! Looking forward to it (take your time I just wanted to know if I was waiting for nothing or not).
If you're planning to continue the series and it is based upon the earthlings you have a very limited pool of 2 as I'm not sure you're aware that Tien and master roshi for clarification are not human. So that leaves you with yamcha and krillin unless you want to add random people like custom characters in.
@@grimmspectrum1547 what do you mean Master Roshi isn’t Human?
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 it seems you were only raised on DBZ and never watched DB or you would know but since you don't know that means instead of looking it up you just commented your disbelief. I'll explain he is from the otherworld as is his sister lady baba
Thanks for the video!
Honestly Tien seems like he'd be the first character to actually master Ultra Instinct, Goku is a fighter but he isn't a monk. He has willpower and strength but not mental stability and wholeness.
Appreciate these videos
No problem. I plan on exploring more characters in the future
@@BeanBoiYami just cool to see that there are fans that still care about these 3 outside of played out jokes. All are good characters just have already been fleshed out and served their purpose to the story. Wish Toriyama wasn’t so forgetful in his later years writing the series
My head canon was always, saiyans were bred to be warriors. So complex techniques not originating from their home planet like kaoi ken and yardrat came easier to them, and perhaps to them only.
Humans could learn techniques created on their home planets but not much more. So this would cap them at base level saiyans in super.
Thematically, saiyans were aggressive warriors, and humans much calmer, meditating and learning to control their ki. The interaction of these 2 breeds created the strongest warriors, ie z fighters. Also explains Saiyan half breeds having insane potential. Also explains namekians being strong guardians sent to other planets and piccolo far surpassing by interacting with humans.
you want things you missed?
- Ultra divine water, it should give them a 40% to 50% power boost.
- they can ask Shenron to create a (Super human) form for them.... he pretty much created a new form for Piccolo so his should still be possible.
- Yamcha will NOT focus on UI, he'll try the same thing Vegeta is trying, the power of a god of destruction, because he's a Canidate for that role.
- magic.... wev'e seen the power of the supreme Kais, Buu, and Moro with their magic, so atleast one of them might go that path.
- ask Shenron for a power-up, both Piccolo and Granola did something similar.
Thanks for the videos man :)
I don't know if i like giving the earthlings ultra instinct cause i feel it would strip away the uniqueness of it and make everyone a copy of goku, i would much prefer if each one followed their own unique path to strenght like goku and vegeta, but i understand that it wouldn't be possible for this video because the video has to follow already existing rules and can't create something new.
Also a god of destruction Yamcha would be absolutely hilarious
Akira Toriyama needs to watch this could learn a thing are two
I love these what ifs. It's what i would've liked dragon Ball to be in the first place.
Solid analysis
Tien might be better suited for Ultra Ego over Instinct, so he'd be in Toppo's GoD mode instead of Omen.
I actually think this falls in line quite well. Humans are among, if not the weakest, and because of that weakness their true power shines in their versatility and combat creativity(it's said to be a common trait among all the weaker races and is likely why Human hybrids are so strong)
I wonder how strong could Recoome become
To be fair I think that the reason they're the weakest is because toriyama loves to figuratively cuck them in the story
@Bruh_but_why Im talking about humans as a whole, not the Z-fighters. The Earthling z-fighters themselves are anomalies, despite how much they've fallen off. Earthlings were never "destined" to be warriors like some of the other races with ingrained abilities like Saiyans and Ceruleans. They got strong enough to survive, then grew smart enough to think their way out of situations that would require the brawn races like Saiyans have. Even the Earths atmosphere/gravity isn't catered to birthing strong fighters. You only get anomalies like the magically inclined Earthlings or the Strong Willed who put up with the grueling training it takes to reach or get close to someone like Roshi's level, and even then, they rarely compare to the other races because they usually arent built to be as strong, and are basically forced to progress slowly in order for their bodies to adjust to the new strain.
@dorrianbrooks9408 I get what you're saying, but im speaking in a more meta sense. Nothing was really preventing toriyama to just make the humans stronger, like how this video did. They don't have to be as strong as goku or vegeta, but it would prevent them from being the complete jobbers they are in the main story. They could at the very least make up some new ways to use and manipulate ki. Would be better than just them doing nothing while goku gets a new hair color.
@@Bruh_but_why true
I think that mystic would have given a larger boost than potential unlock by guru. Also I would imagine after a while a potential unlock could be used again. New base level should Imply new potential. Also they all should have learned the spirit bomb then fused it with destructo disk and spirit ball for krillin and yamcha.
Can both potential unlocks be used? Guru's and Kai's
@@GrimTheDestroyer if someone learned how to do gurus again.
@@mayhemx9 I forgot super Kami guru died
@@GrimTheDestroyer all good
Make a manga or story surrounding this…everyone seems to love this
Bulma and Chi-Chi 1000% Training potential using all sources and grampa Gohan if he was still alive
I think alternate Bulma is more likely to take the android/cyborg path to power... if such a thing could be considered a 'path'. She's not really the martial arts type. The only reason I can see her seeking power to begin with is as a back-up in case all the boys finally break their winning streak and lose when everything is on the line. They fight universe ending threats all the time, so it's not unthinkable for Bulma to plan for that.
Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that Bulma is way smarter than Dr. Gero. So she hijacks Gero's designs and improves upon them tremendously. Resulting in a much more powerful base cyborg form. Due to this, naturally alternate Bulma can't even appear until after the Cell Saga but she'd enter the scene as an immediate powerhouse with no training required.
An alternate Chi-Chi would probably insist on being part of Goku's fighting life and be present for all of his training. She would unfortunately slow down his growth because of her greater limitations, but her presence at certain fights could also be an asset? The most crucial change of alternate Chi-Chi, however, would be her pushing Gohan to train instead of study. This might result in an ultimately less happy and perhaps even resentful Gohan who never finds his non-violence related passions... but he also would never backslide in growth. He'd only keep improving. An alternate Gohan would most likely dwarf everyone in power and easily supplant Goku as the strongest character. Honestly, I think this route might actually result in a villain version of Gohan.
Moving on though.
Alternate Chi-Chi would likely be stronger than canon Chi-Chi at the time of the Saiyan Saga, as she trains regularly with Goku. Let's assume she's at least as strong as the other humans. Probably a little stronger. Plus she knows all of Goku's techniques. So when the rest of the fighters train on Kami's Lookout, she accompanies them. Not only to assist Goku when he returns, but to potentially learn where Gohan is. It makes more sense for her to do this than simply wait at home for news. Chi-Chi is a very aggressive, proactive woman.
I don't think she would achieve anything greater than any of the other fighters during her training at Kami's. She'd be stronger, sure, but she'll be no match for Nappa. Much less Vegeta. Saiyan women are warriors right alongside the saiyan men, so I don't see Vegeta/Nappa pulling any punches against her. She might even die like Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu. Seeing his mother die in front of his eyes could be just one more piece of trauma for Gohan to process that eventually pushes him over the edge.
Anyway. Point is, her being there wouldn't change anything really. Apart from continuing her growth and mentally scarring Gohan.
Chi-Chi re-enters the scene with the other fighters training on King Kai's planet. She's eventually wished back to life with the others and goes back home. When Goku arrives back on Earth, it's a notable change that she's with the group waiting for him. I can see her accompanying them to South City to look for the 'androids', always staying by Goku's side. When Goku has a heart attack, Chi-Chi leaves with him, abandoning the rest of the fighters. Goku is her primary concern.
Chi-Chi doesn't show up again until Goku is ready to enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The two person limit has always been a weird stipulation that has sometimes been ignored such as in the Buu Saga. So screw it. I'm just gonna ignore it too. Chi-Chi enters the Chamber with Gohan and Goku and they train as a family. Compared to them, Chi-Chi is considerably weaker, and she slows them down somewhat. They wouldn't dare exclude her, however, and Chi-Chi agrees with Goku that most of the focus should be on improving Gohan more than themselves. Although she probably doesn't immediately grasp why. No one knew about Goku's plan to use Gohan as his replacement. She's as surprised (and horrified) as anyone when Goku sets his son up to be the hero.
Both alternate Goku and Gohan end up slightly weaker in this timeline. If we allow that Gohan will (for whatever reason) not take a crippling blow for Vegeta like he does in canon, he can afford to be slightly weaker and still trounce Cell. In fact the arc might even be somewhat more anti-climactic with stronger humans. The Cell Jr's would have their hands full with a powered up alternate Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin. Plus alternate Chi-Chi is there, adding a competent fighter who previously wasn't present.
I can see her forbidding Goku from giving Cell a Senzu bean after their fight (and if anyone could ever rein Goku in ever, it's his wife.) Even going so far as to bitch Vegeta out if HE objected to her objection. Chi-Chi doesn't give a damn about honor or pride. Just kill the bug monster and lets go home. Although she might have a problem with Gohan fighting Cell on his own, I can also see her being won over to the idea that it's necessary. It's also noteworthy that this timeline's Gohan is not a morally weighed down bookworm. He's the dutiful son. Living the life his parents have pushed him into. He is, mirrored by Cell, a child weapon. If they point at Cell and say "Get him, son." He does it. This Gohan is not necessarily a killer (yet) but both his mother and father are demanding results from him. So a less emotionally charged (but more brutally minded) Gohan fights a less powerful, tired Cell. And wins.
Fast-forward to the Buu Saga. Gohan never goes to school. He just trains with Chi-Chi every day. Resulting in an astronomically more powerful Gohan AND Chi-Chi. She probably outmuscles Tien, Yamcha, and Krillin at this point. Although she's still only a human with no multiplier outside of Kaioken. This also means that the fighters are not present at the Worlds Martial Arts Tournament... unless... it's Chi-Chi's idea? I can see her still worrying about money and thinking the prize winnings would be easy pickings for their powerful family. She might even be annoyed when Gohan tells everyone else about it. Still, she's confident no one stands a chance against her Gohan or even her Goten. The tournament would be where Gohan first encounters Videl and it also means the Great Saiyaman doesn't exist in this timeline. If that matters.
I could speculate further but I gotta go to work. Haha. Hope you enjoyed this rant.
Thanks for the rant I could envision the entire change to the story and characters
@@trustmeits610pm2 Honestly she kinda pushed gohan into being a scholar, he didn't decide that at 5 years old. After the last tournament I can understand why she'd want to keep him from violence, but it shouldn't have been so extreme. That last budokai was the exception not the rule. Besides, winning tournaments results in prize money for college anyway so that was a missed opportunity. If anything it should've been a healthy balance of studying, which even goku learned about during his training with master roshi, and allowing gohan to take part in the other half of his heritage. He's part saiyan and not a full human after all.
My only question is: With how many fighters universe seven has capable of using Ultra Instinct in this scenario, Anytime a threat shows up, Does universe 7 have enough trumpets for the Theme music?
Tien is ironically the one that might get UI if they kept him training at higher levels. Especially if he learned that healing techinque he'll be able to launch much more powerful tri-beams.
Krillian he'll be able to use Evil Containment Wave without much burnout under the same conditions. Then he could mimic the control of Spirit Ball to control his Disks much better.
Yamcha at this point would need to have learned The Spirit Bomb since he has the Ki control to direct it especially if he got those boosts.
Also at this point they'll be able to spar with 17, 18, Buu and Piccolo so ALL of Earth's fighters would be floating around "God" levels.
Krillin actually would.
He created his own transformation as well.
And has become one with himself.
So…nah.
Krillin would also be the fastest with God Ki. And also Hakai energy. There’s a reason he was Goku’s rival.
Tien would unlock the UI the fastest yes, he is just the better in terms of technics.
For the more powerful "tri beams" (i prefer to name it kikoho), i dont think that this is possible. I mean : the kikoho is litterally the user putting the amount of ki that he want into an incredible attack.
The only way to upgrade it is just to have more ki, and he will increase it naturally.
Yamcha, him, would have reached they level with another way, i dont exactly know how, but he always had as problem a lack of power, but try to compensate it by the use of unusual styles. Withouth the lack of power, he would be extremly strong.
For Krillin ... Well he is the worse terrian. He have the power habitually, but he is not very good in terms of technics, and here that is what make the difference.
Just the possibility of them having taken nearly every opportunity to train allowing them to have packed up Moro like a UPS driver is crazy to think about
With the full power Tiencha similar to Vegetto ssj3 part you missed that base Vegeta and Goku still stronger than base Yamcha and Tenshinhan, so even if the multiplier is bigger, it's not enough.
That Tien and Yamcha fusion hairline is more back then Coryxkenshin after a 9 month break
For a potential move for Yamcha, it would be amazing to make his Neo Wolf Fang Fist to be similar like Neji's Trigram moves. But instead of attacking the Chakra or Ki Points, Yamcha would concentrate on gathering one's Ki at the center of the body and hitting it for the final blow and making the Ki disperse making the foe weak
The only flaw i see on this hipotetic scenario is that humans might not have as much time as the saiyans =(... at the end of tournament of power they would be around 50-60 years old, taking in account all the years of training in the time dimensions.
Ngl the yardrat outfit is by far my favorite, I would looooove Yamcha with it as his regular
"Tien would turn down becoming a candidate for god of destruction cause he's been like suuuuper busy lately and just has kinda a lot on his plate right now. Ya know?"
Tien gets shafted even in fan stories lol
I’m just gonna say this I can’t really call tien a earthing because that also means I gotta call gohan and goten earthings they are in a different class for me that would be the hybrid race seeing how we see no Towne Cyclops besides Tien and never see how strong a pure blooded one can become
this is video is weirdly satisfying
1:32 that image is cursed. Find me the holy relics to purge this evil
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4:42 Tien has the best temperament for god of Destruction
A knock-on effect that went unmentioned here is that, with their power rivaling that of the saiyans, they would actually become viable training partners for Goku and (if he sucks it up a bit) Vegeta, pushing them farther along as well. Really, even the mere fact that the humans could rival them would push Goku and Vegeta to train harder than canon.
So.
>they train efficiently
>goku and vegeta start training with them
>now the saiyans become even stronger, meaning that the other z fighters will become stronger as well, creating a loop where both the humans and the saiyans get constantly stronger
We have Dragonballs which can make any jerk the strongest in the universe but we cant have a plot where someone wishes that earthlings have the same growth rates as sayans?
Yeah it is the Goku and Vegeta show but having the others keep up would make everything more interesting.
Honestly I think I would be neat to see a Giga Wolf Fang fist, kinda like dragon fist but better
Wait since Krillan is married to 18 wouldn't she become the perfect training partner for her. Since she is pretty strong. May allow him to catch up to them both.
A good sparring partner can be very helpful, but 18 doesn't have anything to teach Krillin really. If anything, Krillin is the innovator when it comes to Ki techniques. He's always been an underdog who makes the absolute most of what he has.
during the 2006-ish, i recall there's dragon ball doujin that taps into multiverse tournament. i like the idea of Sennin Krilin where he masters the roshi's martial art. granted, that Krilin form is only available IF Goku doesn't exist.
Yeah, they had so much opportunity and still do to make it right. If they are going to bring super back, they need to do a human arc of power. They all should decide to protect the earth and get strong just in case because Goku and Vegeta get called to train in other galaxies or maybe they got called to be space fighters and Earth is without them. Then, they can have all of them achieve new forms. Yamcha can have a beast form stage one and two. Tien can perfect the eye and become mystic because he finds out the true power of the clan he is from. Krillin because of his amazing Ki control perfects Kaio-ken to where it's 100 x and becomes more controlled read aura with read eyes and and he gets a little taller with a noise and call it Ultra Kaio-Ken
God forbid Humans can get an Arc for themselves. You have to be a Sayain for anything in DB sadly.
I seriously hope that with the shine Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Piccolo are getting we get to see more of the other characters, im not saying that they have to rival the main cast but being used more like in the Moro arc would be awesome. Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all showed insane potential in the begining, even more than Goku who is a saiyan then they dropped the ball hard on them, it's like Piccolo and his other abilities that even Krillin had to remind him of them in the movie. Like why can't start from the basics like Goku did? They had plenty of chances, the excuse was always "humans don't have saiyan genes, that's why Goku could drink Kami's water and learn Kaio Ken" we literally saw how Roshi could tap in the principals of an angels technique without any god training, humans are more than capable. I don't want the humans to have UI, UE or PU/beast but you can give them something, a transformation for humans doesn't really make sense imo so lets just use what we have. Make them drink the sacred water so they can unlock more hidden power, Dende can't unleash their potential and Piccolo just did it so i don't want to re use that concept. After the water, make them train with Kami so they can learn Kaio Ken (i would say that since Goku can only go up to 20x give them a maximum of 10x), in the games Krillin had his "unleashed" version of himself as a transformation, making him a pseudo Gohan so i think that in the manga should work. Then you can have Yamcha for example join the patrol and in a mission to Yadrat he learned other techniques from them aside from spirit fission and instant transmission. Make Tien use the kaio ken with his four arms form, then make him use that form to boost solar flare and his tri beam. That way you have each character being different from eachother and useful for the story. Yamcha with yadrat abilities, Tien with a more spiritual approach and Krillin like a pseudo Gohan. Pretty organic if you ask me and opens the possibility for Yamcha to get a transformation of his own under the yardrats.