always liked how GT showed the characters aged up and matured. Vegeta is a chill dad, Gohan and Vide are parents, Goten is a typical teenager, Trunks is a distinguished gentleman lol.
GT Goku is far more like a tactician who uses his brains while Super Goku is more like that one dude who is really strong but is pretty dumb. That's my opinion on them however.
@@lewanbroski504 what about DBH, it's got a manga and a anime on top of a game. Besides seeing as DBH is ongoing and xenoverse is canon to it, it can be argued xenoverse is canon just to a difrent continuity. IDK why but the dragon ball fandom never seemed to understand that there could be more than one continuity. I thought we would at least learn now that super has to distinct continuities both separate but comfimed to be canon(the dbs anime and manga) Oh well
I don't like either but I at least respect GT for it's art direction, for most of it the world design reminded me of the namek saga because since it didn't took place on earth they had to go for more _surreal_ settings, the villans visual design was really well done (with Baby being the standout) and SJJ4 is IMO the best saiyan form ever designed because it's actually a major redesing instead of a hairdo. Super's art direction on the other hand is terrible, none of the villans visual design are memorable, they are downright generic (Giran) or lazy (Black) hell the most memorable villan from super is Frieza who's not even an original character from that series. Not to mention all new saiyan forms which are supposed to be more imposing than SJJ4 are literal hair recolors of base and SJJ1 Goku/Vegeta. Also while I don't enjoy GT as a whole, Baby arc and the ending were really good while none of Supers arc are good to begin with.
Oh, for sure. The GT Title music is SO good. Fabio Lima does a great Acoustic cover of the Dragon Ball GT Theme. ua-cam.com/video/BRz3PyfFQQM/v-deo.html
@@leultrainstinct406 try to find a person with an ultra instinct profile picture NOT meat riding super. Hard challenge. Will be embarrassing when you guys yet older
Lets be honest about golden Frieza. Frieza essentially turned super saiyan. It is nothing like his other transformations they are not mutations or something horrifying which is the whole point of his character. The gold form is like a power multiplier that has a gold form to compensate for the lack of hair
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 Crappy writing strikes again. I mean isn't the whole point of colour is to reflect the personality and aura. Like how vegeta was more darker and it is more bright when powered up
Honestly, if I were to give my own opinion on why I like GT more than Super, I'd be repeating what others have said. Instead, I'm gonna say this….. How do we go from a story about adventure to a more action oriented story to a story that starts as an adventure before becoming more action to an official parody? In a way, GT felt like a conclusion to a much greater story. A story that wouldn't have happened if Goku hadn't met Bulma. A story about adventure and making friends out of enemies. That is what OG Dragon Ball is about, adventure. Z is a continuation of that initial story, but, focusing more on action as a sign of the characters growing. The ending to Z will never not put a smile on my face. GT, as another commenter put it, is a story about a grandfather going on a final adventure with his granddaughter before inevitably having to say goodbye. GT's ending will always make me tear up no matter what. GT is the culmination of everything that happened since the beginning of OG Dragon Ball. Goku feels like a veteran after everything he's gone through. Super just feels disappointing. It reduces the story to a joke, especially Goku. As much as I love Beerus and Whis, this just felt like a retcon. Super Saiyan God and Blue don't just feel as special as Super Saiyan 4. SSJ4 felt powerful and a way of bringing Goku and Vegeta back to their roots as Saiyans.
Actually, DBS fans don't argue about this. It's the childish nostalgic DBGT fanboys who always start this arguement, and then they get triggered when someone says DBS is better. There is a reason why DBS broke streaming service on multiple occasion my friends 😛
@@jantheking7028 I don't get this argument, both suck, they're both bad sequels to the original 2 Dragon Ball series. There's a lot of trash that gets a lot of attention, how does that make it good, though? I'm not defending GT, that's a big pile of garbage as much as Super is.
GT is better Squel, in fact it's should have been cannon in the first place, Super feels like it's doesn't belong anywhere, it's just a series with DB name in it
@@Omega-jg4oq Couldn't have said it better Literally the Super retcons almost make it seem like Goku shouldn't have existed because if the gods did their jobs, then a lot could have been prevented
@@DarkLore1992 Super happens in the time skip, they literally try to cram in so much stuff that the little things like Goten and Trunks becoming teens are just skipped out on Nah, only transformations and pretty colors are the new meta for dbs I mean I literally can't think of this as a serious sequel to Dbz
GT always had a special place in my heart. It brought back the adventure aspect of the original Dragon Ball while keeping the spirit of DBZ. I remember crying at the end of GT when Goku left with Shenron, very bitter sweet (“:
One thing you got wrong is that these don’t place during the same period Super takes place in between the 10 year timeskip between the EOZ, GT takes place 5 years after the EOZ - 10 in the dub Super is not a sequel but a interquel
Yeah, I wouldn't really consider the epilogue when saying if a series comes before or after. That's like saying Sorcerer's Stone doesn't come before Chamber of Secrets just because it has flashbacks of Tom Riddle.
@@MasonTaylor22 you have to consider it as that is the true conclusion to the original series manga and anime. Also it’s been stated that those events take place still which is why in is shown. The Buu saga starts after a timeskip from the cell saga. If super took place in that time gap instead that’s like saying I’m not gonna consider anything in the buu saga The buu saga isn’t the end of the show the 28th world tournament saga is so it literally has to be considered because that’s the end of the story. There is a 15 year time difference between GT &. Super it just doesn’t make sense that they take place in the same period even if you took out the end of Z
Also, with Kakarot going through with the whole God route. Isn't he the same guy that turned down the role of Kami back in Dragon Ball? Why would he turn around and choose the whole God route after turning down becoming God?
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯. I agree, but it is only marginally better than super, and the main cause of this is that gt is much more consistent in its lore than super is by a wide margin.
GT is an era of peace and the whole point is Vegeta is older and alot more level headed no longer needing to prove himself to Goku, his arc was arguably complete when Majin Vageta sacrifices himself finally able to put everything else aside to do something completely selfless even knowing in all likelyhood he will end up going to hell and never see his best friend/Rival ever again. Vegeta in Super just feels like the same petty Vegeta who would throw away a fight just for the chance to fight someone strong (Like in the Cell Saga) and before you say 'Oh but UE Vegeta had to grow so he could keep rivaling Goku.' He got it off-screen and both UE and MUI somehow got one shot by Black Frieza which is just the SSJ2 of Frieza and it feels so underwhelming. Vegeta is one of my favourite character if not my favourite in the whole franchise, he grew as a character from Sayian saga to the end of GT, when fighting Omega Shenron he knew Goku would pull through, he wasn't trying to 1 up him anymore he knew he may be strong but Goku has always been a step ahead which is what makes seeing Vegeta's confidence in the defeat of Omega even better.
GT is way better than super. There are things at stake in GT. In super gods can just control and undo anything and everything and Goku is a God level being as well with no one who can even provide a challenge.
Thank you! I thought i was the only one. At least gt actually got character development down. Super ruins all of the characters and the stories are so pointless. The thing that ruined gt was the very slow and boring start but when they got to the baby arc then it finally got good
@@shadowninja1116 I watched z long ago it was my childhood it came in cn I also watched get but I’m not a victim of nostalgia and know when to say that a show is better z>super>gt
I'd argue that gt gohan isn't as weak as u believe. It's stated that he kept up with his training. And even then, u seem him holding back against a super sayain goten controlled by baby and taking no damage
Thank you for your effort doing this was fun to watch and would almost agree with everything u said, i just hate they hype over Super and in General what they did with Goku in Super In addition u could have taken random power ups more into account like trunks vs fused zamasu Kefla as strong as UI Goku.....
@@PhotonDragon16 he states that if he gets hit he loses... so you can scale her to his early UI Form. Moreover the argument stands that he had to go UI to defeat her......
I disagreed with the entire video. What they did what goku? He’s the same carefree idiot we know and love. Stop acting like his stupidity magically appeared in super, it was there the entire time lmao. Trunks vs merged zamasu was about strategy techniques. Trunks was NEVER stronger than zamasu. You’d know that if you paid attention lol. He just had the advantage of his spirit sword which is most effective against pure evil, speed and agility, and his superior swordsmanship skills. Kefla was never ui level😐 Krillin’s destructo disk cut nappa OMG THAT MeAnS He’S AS StOnG As NaPPA. Before he even went ui, he handled her with ease using ssbkk. He was just on his last legs so any hit would’ve made him power down. Kefla just found an opening and attacked. But a full stamina ssbkk would’ve been more than enough. His stamina just depleted. And he was able to tap into ui again. In ui he handled her with ease. She didn’t touch him a SINGLE TIME. It was only when ui was starting to run out and goku had to finish things, that he had a chance of getting hit. That’s the first thing to note. The second, is that it came from roshi...he said “I don’t THINK goku would survive that” he wasn’t even sure himself. Even if you wanna say he’s right, that doesn’t mean she’s as strong as ui goku. Her attack was just a fully charged attack with incredible power, just like final flash. Vegeta would’ve killed cell too. It’s an attack whether getting hit directly could take you out. It doesn’t mean the person is stronger.
Exactly GT is literally a nostalgic love letter to original DB with a message that everything eventually comes to an end, including all the adventures Goku had alongside his friends. It’s like the series acknowledges the audience has grown up and is saying to them “farewell, thank you so much for being with me since being a child and growing up with me and for all the adventures we had.” It’s like DB itself is speaking to you, hugging you, and saying goodbye to you. The ending leads up to this and it was heartbreaking. But it was also beautiful because Goku becomes like an omnipresent being who will always be there to guide all the next generations and watch the torch get passed on. I just don’t like how he straight up abandoned chi chi lol. I like to think they’re in heaven somewhere with Bardock Gine Gohan Goten and everyone else. It’s like a message saying “we will eventually all pass , but the idea of the adventure will live on forever”. This is BEAUTIFUL and FILLED with meaning and love. Overall the end of GT was like “all these legendary adventures and people are gone, but not forgotten , because Goku will always be there and watch over the next generations to come”. That was amazing and so nostalgic. Super is like …. Fight fight, fight , super extra form , fight fight fight fight, gods, destroy the universe, fight , Goku , vegeta, bad animation, fight fight. No emotion, no connection, no meaning , no nostalgia and love for the original series whatsoever
I'm also probably one of the weird ones for liking GT. Yes it's not better than the DBZ glory days but it sure as hell better than the forced, mostly non-sensical, and thick plot armor that Super's plot relies and circles on. I never really understood the hate on GT. The series actually had substance unlike Super's heavily combat based but poor plot writing to pair with it. GT's call back on the DB legacy was something i really appreciated. Tribute to the likes of Kid Goku, the Saiyan's power origin (Their tail and Oozarou form), reignition of Goku vs Vegeta in another form, and finally tying it up with Shenron's rise as the final villain. Bringing an end to the beloved series from where everything started in the first place: The *Dragonballs* All in all i definitely like the substance that GT presented more. I don't fully think that Super is an unwatchable show (it's still enjoyable) but people talking shit about GT isn't really deserved at all.
One thing I like in particular about the way GT handled the Oozaru and Super Saiyan forms, was remembering that Vegeta's version of the Super Saiyan legend back before anyone achieved the transformation actually featured what looked like Gold Oozaru. The appearance of actual Super Saiyan Oozaru, and then leading to Super Saiyan 4, made me think that maybe Super Saiyan 4 was the original Super Saiyan of legend. If I remember correctly (been a really long time since I last saw that part of Z), Vegeta said during the Namek Saga that the transformation only happened every thousand years, and there were flashes of the Golden Oozaru. When Goku became Super Saiyan during the Frieza fight, it was the same color, but not the same image of Oozaru. But come GT, with the Oozaru going Super Saiyan - thus matching the visual in Vegeta's memory of the original Legend -, and then forming into Super Saiyan 4. That made me come up with a personal headcanon that the Super Saiyan 1 Transformations, while very uncommon, weren't unheard of among the ancient Saiyans. Super Saiyan 2 was rarer but still not unheard of. Super Saiyan 3 was even rarer, but was still known. But the Golden Oozaru transformation that births Super Saiyan 4 is an absolute one in a million occurrence, and the identifying feature is the Giant Golden Oozaru. The emergence of that _one_ being was what sparked the legend of the Super Saiyan. Heck, I think before that, Super Saiyan 1 through 3 may not have even been called "Super Saiyan" by the ancient Saiyans, and it was only the terrifying Golden Oozaru - and the resulting Super Saiyan 4 - that would truly be considered something like a Super Saiyan in that ancient society. The fact that the first through third stages are called Super Saiyan, in my headcanon, could easily be chalked up to Vegeta mistaking the first stage on the path as being the end goal itself. That also lends a bit of credibility to the frequency part of the Legend - once every thousand years. Because in DBZ, there are no less than five Super Saiyans (as known by Vegeta) - six if you consider Present Trunks and Future Trunks as separate characters - which would raise odd questions about how frequently they pop up as opposed to the Legend. But then the Golden Oozaru matching the Legend comes along, and then from that Goku forms into Super Saiyan 4 - the original Super Saiyan of Legend - more or less matching the timeframe of that Legend as well. Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta, admittedly, does also happen, which would break the frequency a bit, but beyond that, NO further cases of Super Saiyan 4 emerge. Only the base Super Saiyan forms - which in this hypothetical aren't what the Legend considers actual Super Saiyans - make an appearance in the future in the form of Goku and Vegeta's descendants. One final note, but I also liked how GT finalised the progression of the Super Saiyan forms as well. Super Saiyan 4's look actually made the hair growth in Super Saiyan 3 make sense (at least for me). So now I view the various stages of Super Saiyan as a progression: 1 is the body awakening to the new power, 2 is the body acclimatized to the power and preparing for Stage 3, 3 is where the hair grows obscenely long and the power boost is biggest (and for me is the threshold for when Oozaru can become Golden Oozaru to finish the journey), and then 4 felt like what would happen if the Super Saiyan 3 hair went back to base-Saiyan colors, also with the red furs and newly-revealed irises. Full transformation complete. ... Compared with all that, the color palate swaps for Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Super Saiyan Rose just felt really unimaginative by comparison.
I agree with all the arguments in your video, including Dragon Ball GT, unlike DBS, had character development, unfortunately not for everyone as it was made by Toei Animation, but I don't doubt at all that if Dragon Ball GT came back with Akira Toryama writing the story Keeping all the positive points, I have no doubt that it would be a bigger success than DBS.
Something I wanted with all my heart is a Dragon Ball GT from the Saiyan saga with Goku still having his tail so he wouldn't need training in the future to get it back, I wanted him to adapt all the Z films into the anime in his own order chronological until reaching the buu saga then starting The Arc that will adapt the good events of Dragon Ball GT, depending on I would even watch the Saga of the new generation "Goku Jr" "Vegeta Jr" until they reach adulthood because they would be more stronger than their country because they would have more potential for evolution, but until it reaches the level of Goku GT 100 years I believe it would be an anime with several episodes (a fan's wish).
I don't really count Super as a Dragonball show and more of a parody that doesnt really exist or that only kids and too far gone fanboys enjoy. For me the actual timeline of Dragonball is Bardock special»DB»Z» GT I use GT in vs debates over super cause super is too inconsistent. When it comes to entertainment super has really gone down compared to Z and Db. DB multiverse was more enjoyable than the whole of super in my opinion. Here's my ranking of the shows Z≈Db>dbs I know those fanboys are gonna jump me just for having this opinion but blame the writers for making the show bad.
Back when the characters were consistent. Goku wasn't a 100% dumbass, Vegeta actually developed after the buu saga after admitting Goku was the best and even became more of a friend to him rather than being a rival. And no major plotholes every second that invalidated Z. I mean, what the hell is Canon and not Canon anymore, and does it even matter? Say what you want about GT but at least it had a heart and a soul, the people there wanted to tell a good story. The people on Super just wanna make money. They made a movie about Broly because of his popularity, meanwhile Dragon Ball GT's movie is a heartwarming coming of age story set in the far future of Dragon Ball.
Man I really hope they bring back ss4 just for broly. If he comes back in the TV anime I hope they use him to show the "power from anger" saiyan side and bring back the "you fucked up at making me angry" narrative. He could really be a hulk figure in the Dragonball universe, and he's like the only way I see to give more life to the basic and non canon ss transformations, seeing that they kinda canonized false super saiyan in the movie(?). Ya I know they didn't but I wanna dream
I found this video wondering if anyone had the same opinion. Super isn't horrible but they are straying away from what made DB great. Super's characters are so ridiculous and underwhelming it's hard to take the show itself seriously. Super destroyed the power scale as well. When I watched the Black Saga it took me back to the Freiza days just for Super Sayain Trunks to kill him?! What's the point of the power scale in the first place?😳😤😤😤😤 Might as well have Piccolo kill Black at that point. Also while your on the TOP why have Goku and Vegeta be so strong just to have Krillin and Piccolo fight alongside them? It makes literally no sense!!!🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
If anyone is old enough to remember the old DBAF fanfic and images online in the 00's, you'll see that Super seems to have borrowed quite a bit from those half-baked ideas as fan service. GT didn't do this. Yes it took risks that didn't pay off, but it also had a lot of interesting ideas that you won't see in Super. Like having a negative aspect to overusing the DBs, or returning to the terror that was the Saiyans with Baby and SSJ4. GT was just overall a more entertaining series than Super and felt final when it ended.
I refuse to watch super so I guess I am on your side. Note: No one that isn't bad never dies. Dragon Balls save everyone and everything. Any "sacrifice" can't be considered as such. Goku didn't sacrifice to kill Raditz. Oh yeah, like you said: No strategy required. Punch punch; Transform to power up and beat villain or just ask other people for their energy to kill the villain.
GT is just depressing. It’s art style and story all have a fleeting feeling to them as you can really just tell that dragon balls time and all the characters we’ve come to love are about to be gone.
@@joeclaridy they would try to flame you but then they just stuck to leaving laugh reactions to your comments because they couldn’t think of a good comeback to the points made. Most people who say they hate GT never watched it and saw a few memes.
Here we go lmao. Ch. 65 was an amazing chapter. Long story short, you took the senzu bean moment at face value instead of seeing what it truly meant. That moment was not only badass, but it was the first character development goku ever got in a post Z series.
It's also important to remember it's just entertainment bro....essentially it's escapism...it accomplishes this effortlessly if you let it...I enjoyed this though, very thought provoking to say the least...
I haven't watched GT but do plan on doing so at some point. I've heard it's terrible but plan to approach it with an open mind. As someone that isn't familiar with the source material, I'd have appreciated seeing more examples of character growth in GT since that seems to be the crux of yoir argument. I do agree that they're pretty flat in Super, but don't yet have a foundation of GT knowledge to compare to.
Super could've been good if they didn't write the characters like ass and they didn't overhype God Ki/Super Saiyan God as this end all be all of the new age, where you either have it, you're an apprentice to someone with it, you're Hit, or you've got some BS power up to fight on par with God Ki users. Also too many callbacks to Z.
tl;dr GT felt like Dragon Ball, Super felt like a joke. Great video; you should exclusively do video essays / analysis. Would get way more subs if ppl weren't afraid of getting spammed with r6 clips in their feed
Thanks for the feedback! I originally started this channel to post clips when I was playing competitive R6, but I'm not anymore, so now that school has slowed down, I'll get back into video essays and not spam people. :)
Namek as an whole is my favorite Saga, as it was able to encompass a space adventure, the hunt for the Dragon Balls with a lot of parties involved in the hunt. You have the Gyniu Force that bring back og DB villains vibes, then you also have a drastic change in tone for a darker, more serious tone which I also enjoy a lot. The fight against Frieza is epic and to couple you probably have the most iconic moment in Anime history when Goku goes SSJ for the 1st time. I gotta say that while the Bulma filler is harmless if not boring, the Ginyu force getting easily handled by the Z fighters in King Kaio planet filler really rubbed me the wrong way.
@@MasonTaylor22 bro I can’t even lie. This is one of the worst and most inaccurate videos I’ve ever seen. The moment you said super is all about goku, when GT is literally db goku time, this video lost credibility💀
The thing is, goku in dbz isn't stupid. He has shown on multiple occasions he is incredibly intelligent, but he just isn't educated. Goku in GT is mostly the same, but Goku in Super acts like a literal child.
Every time I spent even a second watching/reading Super, I thought the same thing. He was very intelligent, he was just extremely naive about a lot of things, but when you think about it, Goku has the most well thought out ingenious battle tactics. Torpedo Kamehameha's against Frieza to distract and leave him open and Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha against Cell are two examples of this.
I absolutely love what GT did, although I’m aware the execution was far from perfect. When you strip it down to its core, it is basically a very melancholic story about a grandfather going on a last adventure with his granddaughter before having to say the inevitable goodbye; which is already heartwarming/tear jerker in and of itself, but that further rises to ABSURD levels if you think of the whole thing as basically Goku’s ultimate redemption for his “original sin”, the unintentional murder of Grandpa Gohan. It’s not a coincidence, I think, that the circumstances of Ssj4’s awakening are basically what Goku wish had happened the night Gohan died: that he had managed to control the Oozaru and save him. And this time he actually makes it, sparing Pan, his own grandchild, the fate that befell old Gohan. Put this together with the OG Dragon Ball scene where Goku and Gohan meet again at Baba’s tournament, and a waterfall of tears will be the inevitable result. This kind of love for the heart of Dragon Ball’s mythology is why I like GT, and why I’ll always see it as the canon ending to Goku’s journey. As for Super, on the other hand… yeah, it’s… a series of cool fights. Very cool, sometimes. Way cooler than GT’s, for sure. But that’s it. No heart, no themes, no story. Some hints here and there maybe, but nothing more than that.
I just rewatched GT after about 20 years and realized a level of depth present in the writing that surprised me a lot. The evil four star dragon turned good partially out of respect for Goku BUT, also the bond that Goku had with that ball his entire childhood. I thought they were going to ignore it altogether... and then they go and do something like that. Which is entirely consistent with the overarching story and their theme of turning some evil characters around. A bit of an underwhelming character as a whole, I'll admit, but fantastic idea. Which is a general gripe I have with GT as a whole. They have a lot of great ideas with subpar execution. Especially the animation itself feels like they were very pressed for time.
Yeah I didn’t see that cooler fight part of anything I think the fights is where the gas is gone out of the tank gold freeza was super boring the whole time the lord Beerus fights got old quickly becuz I feel they failed to show us ssjb or god mode was any better then any of his other forms
I'm not a fan of either but I'd take GT over Super any day GT does have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Super Saiyan 4 SSJ4's design was genius becoming more animal like that Blue Hair form from Super is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation
It stays more true to Saiyan heritage rather than god thingy. Also, the main reason they did the god saiyan probably because due to laziness. You know, reskin, recolor, no need to redesign, ez job
Literally the only thing the introduced was ssj4 and baby. There’s nothing else. Super expands on the god hierarchy that started in early db with the introduction of gods of destruction, angels, and zeno. They expand on supreme Kai lore as well with more backstory of the grand supreme Kai. The expand on the saiyain lore with ssg, the u6 saiyains, and broly. They expand on frieza’s effect on the universe with the granolah arc. Super for sure did this better. It’s not even close.
introducing things my ass! the one thing gt did successfully was COMPLETELY RUIN THE MEMORIES OF OG DB for me! the writers went 'oh no! goku is way too strong now wtf to do. i know why not turn him into a fucking child!' if youve watched og naruto and then shippuden and then they create a series where naruto turns into the og naruto ... thats whats called dumbassery and pathetic creation! same for db... even in dbz goku wasnt that all matured lemme remember the time where he got overconfident and m.vegeta knocked him out, when he instaead of training gohan further just surrendered and gave SENZU BEAN AND SO MANY MORE EGS! SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BULL SHIT.... and indtroducing!!!! the brought back super 17 you idiot which can easily be WORST SAGA IN ANIME
The thing i loved about gt is the uniqueness in the villains the villiains in gt had tactics on how to defeat their enemy rather than using raw power gt also did not overuse transformations and kept power level realtively stable while in super transformations were so overused that transformations like super saiyan 1 posed no meaning and there was no reason to use ssj1 when they had ssb and super really did not have anything like an adventure and it never really explore the depths of universe 7 while super expanded so much to the other universes it forgot to reveal lore about the main chracter's universe what a shame,Also the threats posed to the z warriors in super were not even a threat at all as goku and vegeta had got so strong that at this point they were unstoppable In the end,All i want to say is that super is good its not bad but gt is not trash either u see i was one of the fanboys who jumped on the bandwagon that gt is trash for no reason but after watching gt boy i feel like an idiot now For all those people who havent even watched Gt watch it till the end trust me it wont dissapoint i could even dare say its better than super but in the end they both are dragon ball i dont care whichever's the best as long as dragon ball wins i am happy
Thanks for opening your eyes and spitting out the cool aid. I know there's a sizable faction of GT haters who've never seen the series which pisses me off. I hope more people would follow your lead.
I don’t know why people do not like part one of GT because it drags out but I mean... Have they ever heard of something called world building? Goku in Super is a kid in an adult body while GT Goku is an adult in a child’s body
I haven't watched gt I heard that it is trash compared to super,is it really true,but I hate dragon ball super it's only about fights there is no good villan or plot,so if gt is even worse then super then idk what to do.
@@layman_1822 Well, I really liked GT, but I've never watched Super, and I'm not exactly planning on it. I'm not sure if GT is better than DB or Z, but sure isn't far behind in my estimation. It don't think it gets quite as funny as Dragon Ball (I've only watched the beginning and the first part of muscle tower, and I found the ninja fight to be absolutely hilarious), nor does the action feel quite as cool as the Frieza arc, but it's a good blend of both, imo. As for the music, I do like the English intro, although I've never listened to the Japanese intro. I'm not sure if you'll like it, but I'd recommend you give it a shot. I liked the whole series, but my favourite part was that first arc. Also, I'm a huge of fan of Pan and Giru, and Adult Trunks is the best version of his character I've seen. I really like his outfit, and I feel like I'd been waiting to see him ever since the introduction of Future Trunks and the Tapien movie. Cool series all around.
Because the characters and their interactions are bland and boring. I could write some garbage and call it "world building", too, it doesn't mean it's actually good. I've read books where it's mostly 2 characters, do they "muh world building" to be good?
I love GT more then super Because it's the closest thing to dbz and I love limits unlike DBZ God and universe and then something beyond that Its just joke DBZ is not just about being superior and fighting without a story line
That’s the issue. Gt tried so hard to copy from db and z that it never had its own tone. That’s why with the ending, it only showed memories from db and z instead of gt itself. Which made everything that happened feel pointless. Super had elements from db and z, and it also established its own tone.
@@leultrainstinct406 if it had showed memories from gt it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. Gt included segments of its own in piccolo’s death and that made it terrible. It using its own was not a good thing. You really are reaching. Super also had moments from z, what’s your point?
@@leultrainstinct406 Yeah Super established it's own tone and that's the reason why it's so bad. In Super Goku acts like a retarded child all the time, yeah that's definitely a great tone.
GT's tone is also darker and more serious it was the right direction of the show. Super is way too light hearted and like I think you said earlier it's almost like a parody of DBZ.
True but to be fair Super was a time period where it was more peaceful too so they wanted to try something different to GT even though GT was also a time period of peace.
@@petepangtele182 I guess lol. It just would’ve made more sense to build a more serious tone to compete with modern anime AND to appease your now aging fan base. I think they might have also targeted a younger audience with super that’s the only thing that makes sense for some of the characters we see in the show.
The Goku black arc was the only serious arc, and it was still pretty laid back. The infamous kissing scene and Goku forgetting to bring sensu beans showcase the writers lack of effort to build tension.
@@Eric-gw1uo that and beerus and whis were still around defending the main timeline like that just kills all the tension immediately. wtf is black gonna do when he arrived at that timeline? beerus will just destroyed him and it turns out that taking over one timeline is just impossible anyway since zeno of that timeline will erase it no matter what if black/zamasu acts up. the entire killing all mortals plan was stupid to begin with. when you think about it, the tension really doesn't exist and the main cast really didn't even need to go back to the past.
@@leultrainstinct406 so super's only great quality is ultra instinct. Something that has been around since the original dragon ball on turned into a technique
@@christopherford39atleast vegeta does does something in super. Unlike vegeta who was a background character until omega shebron came. Gohan does nothing in gt. I mean except getting controlled by baby. Goten does nothing, except getting controlled by baby. Trunks, still does nothing. Goku now is bunable to use instant transmission just because hes smaller?
Goku is so selfish and unlikable in Super. The humour and Beerus were keeping me going but I just finished the Beerus saga and I’m not interested in watching meaningless fights where the unlikable, unrelatable, irrelevant protagonist wins yet again by yelling to the point his hair changes a new colour. The fucking worst is the 1 minute explanation of how Goku can still hurt Beerus after losing Super Saiyan God level because of muscle memory. Like you were barely holding your own with him in Super Saiyan God form now you’ve lost that and your doing better. Translation: it makes no actual sense but it’s impractical to have the super Saiyan god ritual done every time and we can’t max out his power level here and just make an exception for our lazy writing because it’s Goku. It’s an insult to fans with a brain, it’s an insult to Beerus, Ares or any other actual gods of war/destruction. This guy said it best, Dragon Ball Super is a parody and a cash grab.
The worst of this is that Goku supposedly absorbed this God Ki into his base form. But apparently Frieza and so many others are able to catch up to that in less time. Oh let's not forget Granolah made a wish and caught up to 20 years of development which also beats Frieza's record of 4 months of training. That's pure bullshit at its finest and no Super fan has addressed that elephant in the room.
The way I see it is that the base God ki was temporary and expended when Goku nullified Beerus' blast. And I disagree with Goku being selfish. Before you mention T.O.P Goku just asked for a friendly tournament between universes and not like when Beerus and Champa did one without permission and could have gotten erased. With regards to Goku sparing Frieza I will give you that one.
Aujuai Hughes I agree people hate on it for no reason I dared people to say why it’s bad and literally what they say is what’s so bad about super and it shows dbgt is way better
I actually agree with this video. GT at least tried a new direction. It’s shortcomings were in part by the writers strike. DBS is just bad writing. My biggest beef with it aside just another power up excuse is the fact they put master roshi in the TOP instead of Yamcha. Fights were nice but they series felt devoid of any soul. Even the Dan-Dan opening song has more heart. Completely agree with this argument
Yea whats funny is that the mangaka who draws super (toriyama writes the story) was making his own fan sequel to DBZ and it was so good he got hired and canceled his own manga to make super which is legitimately way worse. There are atleast 3 dbz fan manga sequals that are better then super by a pretty big margin.
he learned his lesson from buu saga that he should never be rusty. besides in GT pan's old enough to defend herself. so he got more time to train and work.
Doesn't seem like it??? Both Goku and Gohan fought base form General Rildo..... a being Goku stated was superior to Majin Buu.... Even if you lowball this to Fat Buu, for both Goku and Gohan to fight this being is their base form (and be even as Gohah/ be vastly superior as Goku) is HUGE. Their base forms in Z would have been utterly destroyed with ease.....
Totally agreed. GT is by no means a perfect series but Super was, to my disappointment, far, far worse. I agree with anyone that GT = basically Goku Time (Pan got screwed bigly), but Super tried to weirdly force the secondary characters as a gesture to fans, and then thew it away with the Tournament of Power saga. And personally, the Tournament of Power saga was the most boring, cringy, and predictable arc of the entire series.
Yeah the ToP was some hot garbage. Literally everyone knew how it’d turn out which isn’t something you can say of any other arc in the series except for maybe the pilaf arc, the characters abilities were straight up ignored, they had people acting totally out of character, gokus base gets literally 2,000,000x stronger in 40 minutes and they didn’t even have the decency to keep a consistent art style sometimes they’d literally switch art styles several times in a single episode
i wouldnt mind if they rebooted GT if its the same team that rebooted Broly. So much potential. Like the z-fighter line up in rebooted GT would be: Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub. The rebooted version needs keep this concept: -ssj4 -baby -shadow dragons -soundtrack -The ending of gt
@@StooRoxxAss I'm not gonna start about gt vs super debate so I'm just gonna say gt animation is no where dragon ball Z . Even super just ignoring the bad start and all the bad episodes it had at last two episodes that the animation was superior compared to Z and everything else we saw earlier
Syed no it doesn’t like he said And the internet at that time wasn’t even really developed infact you were probably in your fathers ball sack at that time
Fans were obsessed with Z fighting that it blinded them from the beauty of adventure that GT presented, that’s the truth unfortunately nowadays many (not all) only wants fighting not story.
Nehaal Khalid Then What about about Super? Feels like Nothing but a rehash of Dbz with too much plot holes, at least GT had a great ideas even if Excuted poorly, it still tried and it did deliver on some points like the baby arc and ssj4 and ssj4 Gogeta plus we saw all the characters actually grown up and we were given a true finale and saw how the story of the franchise end, the GT story is more original and makes more sense to be the continuation of Dragon ball Z
GT is 9999x better than the bad animation no plot unoriginal forms too many forms that mean nothing and are just so that characters can power up quickly with almost no build up lookin ass DBS
Thanks man! To be fair I'm kind of a one hit wonder so far. lol I need to make more content. I've got lots of ideas for videos, but I've got grad school and work going right now. As soon as I graduate, I hope to make many more!
GT is the superior show plain and simple. In the Baby arc GT did more with Goten/Trunks than Super has in 5 shitty arcs which includes 2 pointless tournaments
Super lacked in the villains department. Not including the Frieza revival arc since it was originally a Z movie, the entirety of Super only had real one villain, Goku Black/Zamasu. Everybody else were just warriors fighting for their survival. And even then, Goku Black wasn’t even a new original villain. It was just basically evil Goku, which was already pretty much done before, albeit briefly and on a smaller scale, when Ginyu switched bodies. Don’t get me wrong. I love Super; the ToP was a lot of fun to watch, but it needed one more arc with a new and original true villain.
I have to say. Although Toriyama is writing super. He is way older and his idea's aren't as fresh. The man didn't even want to revisit dragon ball but was constantly pressured because there's a market for it. So what he did was write out the general story like a book and let the animators interpret it how they may which is why super feels like such a mess of idea's.
@aubueruser7228 You're exactly right. The reason why is because he stated himself, "Being on a weekly schedule to write new chapters was Hell." I can only imagine. Must be the same reason Naruto's creator Kishimoto and possibly other creators have little involvement with their stories once they end and a spinoff is created.
1 correction GT takes place after the end of Z whereas Super is set after the defeat of Majin Buu but before end of Z during that 10 year period I entirely agree I find that GT is better than super although there are parts of super that I enjoy, GT has more heart to it I feel and even though it has its problems (some it shares with Super) it just has more heart and does have better story concepts. GTcan be summed up as a series about consequences whether it foolish wishes, revenge for past crimes, or abusing the dragon balls Ssj4 is also an amazing transformation that fits with the lore of the Saiyans
I love DBS more than GT. GT is a better written show in terms of story, but Super is more memorable. I watched GT twice, and one of the times was last year and I remember nothing. I watched Dragon ball Super back in 2018 and I remember everything about the TOP, Black Goku saga, and u6 vs u7 saga.
@@jantheking7028 gt isnt a better story really. Its more like good concepts with poor execution. Its proven by the fact that the fans can only bring the baby arc and maybe the shadow dragons arc, but that would be a stretch, as a defence for the story when in supers case there is the goku black arc, the u6 vs u7 arc and the top arc. Gt is considered bad due to the insane focus on goku and pan and to poor execution of the stories in general, but it has some things that are way better than super. One of those things is ssj4. This is a far greater transformation than ssg, ssb or ui. It fits better with the lore and has weight behind it, unlike the others that just...uninteresting really. Not even ui seems interesting. It only makes goku faster and have a better reaction time...just another pointless transformation.
@@andrei3436 Baby saga was their best story from GT for sure,Super 17 and Shadow Dragons were okay,the black star ball saga was absolute garbage I refuse to watch it ever again.You said there were a few things in GT that were way better than Super,other than the Super Saiyan 4 transformation that you mentioned what else is there? All the people that claim that GT is way better than Super is because of character development but the only character that mattered was Goku,they either made everyone else irrelevant or killed them off.Trunks did nothing special and Pan was just flat out annoying.
Ssg shouldve just been the last transformation t.o.p should've been a martial arts tournemt going back to the world tournements and banned a ki attack and rely on there true inner power instead of ki and transformstions
im just here to say that Super is HOT GARBAGE, and if u like it, you dont understand what made DB , DBZ and yes DBGT great. Go watch pokemon, it has the same vibe as Super
I’m just here to say gt is an ABOMINATION AND DISGRACE to the db franchise. If you like you, you really don’t understand what made db, z, and gt so great. All those series had elements from a previous series as well as their OWN TONE. Gt was too scared to even do that, so it milked the nostalgia from db and z. This is evident in many ways, but especially the ending. Notice how the showed flashbacks from db and z instead of anything that happened in gt itself? It’s sad cuz they could’ve just showed the last episode and eliminate the rest of the series, and it would still equally as emotional. Everything was about goku from start to finish even tho he was supposed to pass the torch to uub. The end. Idek what you could watch because nothing is as bad or has as horrible of a tone lol. Just go watch db and z since that’s all gt survived off of.
At least gt was original in power ups and villains super just recycles and recolors every old power up and villains then slaps a half assed name on em...half assed regurgitated power ups and half assed names for em
Skip super, it completely destroys upon everything dB, dbz built up. They made ssj3 a complete joke. The power creep is ridiculous and it is all fan service. Vegeta is now a maid who sucks on a pacifier. Goku is even dumber than ever. Oh and Gohan is not the future. As much as people complained about GT. It had the more satisfying ending and coolest form of all. Super just changes the hair color and calls it a day. GT is the rightful conclusion to the franchise. No tingle feeling or easily learning ssj2 in a few minutes.
Just saw this and looked at your other content. Do more unpopular and anime style stuff. Less video game stuff. Grow as an anime channel and join the ranx bro. You could kill it with your analysis.
Thanks for the feedback! I started school shortly after this video, so I kind of got too tied up to make videos, but things are getting easier and I think I'll start making them again. :)
@Mason Taylor I'm not sure how helpful this is, but I just found your channel through this video and I liked it. For what it's worth, I tend to watch and enjoy video game content more than anime content. Obviously, make what you have a passion for, but I'm just saying that video games are cool and popular, so many people like them. I also think games tend to lend themselves more to analysis and discussion than tv shows, because games often spell themselves out less and focus on gameplay, while shows tend to simply show you a thing (this applies less to art films and obscure indie webshows). Take this for what you will, and keep up the good work. :)
I did not believe that it was over, I did not want to believe ,that I would never see the further adventures of my favorite heroes, I love GT because it has a similar atmosphere to the original, not like super, full of humor, strange humor and rubber characters, but the end of GT, it was a heartbreaker
No, why would he bring up the endings if Dragon Ball Super isn't even over? Yall GT fans are reaching now, GT is good, but Super is better. The only good arc of GT was the baby arc, and his powers and abilities were not even very origonal, Baby was essentially just a combinition of the worst aspects of Super Buu and Cell.
It's kinda funny because I think the reason GT is more tonally consistent is because it's right off the heels of the DBZ run. Where as Super feels more like it's panging to nostalgia almost as if it's going "HEY HEY! REMEMBER.... DrAgOn BaLl!??" which is weird considering globally next to Pokemon I'd say Dragon ball is the most pervasive widespread bit of popularized anime that everyone knows about. Where GT tried to build on the Lore from preexisting content, Super tries creating callbacks to the past as content for no reason. Where GT can be disappointing when it misses a beat, Like for example most don't like GT Trunks, They liked the memory of super cool Future Trunks... But when Super gives you Future Trunks back... it's just hollow. Whereas we may liked the Battle-hardened Post-apocalypse future Trunks, he existed for a reason to make it so one future would be better than the other. When you reintroduce him it undermines his sacrifice he made and the character Arc he had to go through to achieve it.... It also greatly undermines the Trunks the saved timeline can become. Someone whose more carefree and looking for adventure.
I like gt more than super for many things, but the biggest thing for me is simpley becease there is tension in gt. In super you have gods that can simply defeat or assist the hero's to defeat the villain. Look at how zamasu got defeated, look at how goku was able to defeat frieza after he blows up the planet in revival of f. All where doings of the gods that made them win in the end. There was 0 tension in those moments becease of those gods helping out. And the tournament of power also din't have tension. Simply because we all knew that they would wish back everyone who got erased by zeno, and the fact that super in the timeline is in between kid buu's death and the tournament uub was introduced. Meaning they couldn't let goku's Universe get erased simply becease that wouldn't have made sense for the end of z, that comes after super. Also i appsolutely HATE the potara fusion retcon. I will never forgive super for how the nerfed vegito. Now they made it look like that vegito had luck to get absorbed in time by super buu in z. And I hate that.
GT may not be canon however canon doesnt matter much when it comes to QUALITY and people should not over glorify akira as a writter cause he alone was not the sole reason of DBZ success much like butch hartman is not the only person responsible for the fairly odd parents.
To me, GT's ending is the BEST ending of all Anime, it is the proper ending and a respectful farewell to our most beloved character Goku. Every time I watch the GT's ending I have tears in my eyes; I considered it is the TRUE ending of Dragon Ball.
I’ve loved GT since I was a child, the first dozen or so episodes are pretty forgettable but from baby saga onwards it’s brilliant, shadow dragon saga especially
Nah. Baby saga was good. Super 17 was absolutely horrible. Shadow dragon had a great concept but very poor execution. Then the ending was nice but solely because of db and z. Not because of any events in gt itself
The Baby saga was very good. The dragon saga was ok. The rest of GT was unmitigated trash of the highest order. That long slog of garbage until Baby showed up is unwatchable.
I find it impressive how GT had almost no involvement from Akira and yet managed to be incredible, in Dragon Ball Super it really gives the impression that he was tired and only continued writing because he had to. (Which is still true)
always liked how GT showed the characters aged up and matured. Vegeta is a chill dad, Gohan and Vide are parents, Goten is a typical teenager, Trunks is a distinguished gentleman lol.
That’s not maturity
@@goddessyamato5238 you don't know what a maturity is
@@godzillagurus576 you don’t what is. Y’all be swearing everything is maturity
@@goddessyamato5238 more like the opposite, kiddo
@@godzillagurus576 no sir
In gt goku has a body of child but a mind of a wise man
In super goku has a body of a adult but a mind of child
The Best Quote ever, I know that you're not the first and the only one to say it, but it's so accurate and so ironic
Well said!
GT Goku is far more like a tactician who uses his brains while Super Goku is more like that one dude who is really strong but is pretty dumb. That's my opinion on them however.
Yeah they acted to bring back comedy to dbs
And sometimes he's serious
In my opinion GT don't deserve to die and be forgotten, great piece of the 90's in my opinion.
I agree. I love how the dragon balls turned on humanity
It wasn't? Xenoverse 2 has gt, and so does sdbh
@@thatonechara Xenoverse is a game and only added that for more transformations, characters and outfits. Sdbh is non canon
@@lewanbroski504 what about DBH, it's got a manga and a anime on top of a game.
Besides seeing as DBH is ongoing and xenoverse is canon to it, it can be argued xenoverse is canon just to a difrent continuity.
IDK why but the dragon ball fandom never seemed to understand that there could be more than one continuity. I thought we would at least learn now that super has to distinct continuities both separate but comfimed to be canon(the dbs anime and manga)
Oh well
@@lewanbroski504 in a way this would also technically make GT canon. Only difference is its canon to DBH instead
I don't like either but I at least respect GT for it's art direction, for most of it the world design reminded me of the namek saga because since it didn't took place on earth they had to go for more _surreal_ settings, the villans visual design was really well done (with Baby being the standout) and SJJ4 is IMO the best saiyan form ever designed because it's actually a major redesing instead of a hairdo.
Super's art direction on the other hand is terrible, none of the villans visual design are memorable, they are downright generic (Giran) or lazy (Black) hell the most memorable villan from super is Frieza who's not even an original character from that series. Not to mention all new saiyan forms which are supposed to be more imposing than SJJ4 are literal hair recolors of base and SJJ1 Goku/Vegeta.
Also while I don't enjoy GT as a whole, Baby arc and the ending were really good while none of Supers arc are good to begin with.
I agree 100%. GT was a way better sequel than Super. Also GT's japanese soundtrack imo blows Supers out of the water.
Oh, for sure. The GT Title music is SO good. Fabio Lima does a great Acoustic cover of the Dragon Ball GT Theme. ua-cam.com/video/BRz3PyfFQQM/v-deo.html
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I disagree
@@onjion1528 Good for you
Super is not even a sequel. It's a midquel. Literal filler. That is why it has no purpose, no meaningful stakes or tension
In GT Gohan did not become weaker. He became a geek but not weak.
not nerd?
I like both, but GT is not only my fave Dragonball show but I think its a MUCH better sequel to Z compared to super.
Super is the superior sequel
@@leultrainstinct406 super sucks
super is trash so i 100% agree :D
@@leultrainstinct406 try to find a person with an ultra instinct profile picture NOT meat riding super. Hard challenge. Will be embarrassing when you guys yet older
I could of made a better one my self
Lets be honest about golden Frieza. Frieza essentially turned super saiyan. It is nothing like his other transformations they are not mutations or something horrifying which is the whole point of his character. The gold form is like a power multiplier that has a gold form to compensate for the lack of hair
I mean, Freeza explicitly states he intentionally made this form have the same color as the super saiyan form
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 Crappy writing strikes again. I mean isn't the whole point of colour is to reflect the personality and aura. Like how vegeta was more darker and it is more bright when powered up
@@simonkrayt1970 It probably is crappy writing. We all learnt a long time ago that trying to find logic in dragon ball is impossible
@@sociallyacceptablepi7449 not really when you use the shows own logic because you don't see krillin saying imma just train and go ssj
I honestly think Frieza should have a different transformation other than "Golden Frieza" cause before he had 3 that looked unique.
Honestly, if I were to give my own opinion on why I like GT more than Super, I'd be repeating what others have said.
Instead, I'm gonna say this…..
How do we go from a story about adventure to a more action oriented story to a story that starts as an adventure before becoming more action to an official parody?
In a way, GT felt like a conclusion to a much greater story. A story that wouldn't have happened if Goku hadn't met Bulma. A story about adventure and making friends out of enemies. That is what OG Dragon Ball is about, adventure.
Z is a continuation of that initial story, but, focusing more on action as a sign of the characters growing. The ending to Z will never not put a smile on my face.
GT, as another commenter put it, is a story about a grandfather going on a final adventure with his granddaughter before inevitably having to say goodbye. GT's ending will always make me tear up no matter what. GT is the culmination of everything that happened since the beginning of OG Dragon Ball. Goku feels like a veteran after everything he's gone through.
Super just feels disappointing. It reduces the story to a joke, especially Goku. As much as I love Beerus and Whis, this just felt like a retcon. Super Saiyan God and Blue don't just feel as special as Super Saiyan 4. SSJ4 felt powerful and a way of bringing Goku and Vegeta back to their roots as Saiyans.
I like GT, and it has a better Goku, as he’s smart and matured, while Goku from super is…….. kinda….. an Idoit.
Yeah, he's a big dumb dumb in Super.
Dbs fans: I say GT sucks more!
Gt fans: in my calculation super sucks more!
Real Dragon Ball fans: Both GT and Super suck!
Actually, DBS fans don't argue about this. It's the childish nostalgic DBGT fanboys who always start this arguement, and then they get triggered when someone says DBS is better. There is a reason why DBS broke streaming service on multiple occasion my friends 😛
@@jantheking7028 I don't get this argument, both suck, they're both bad sequels to the original 2 Dragon Ball series. There's a lot of trash that gets a lot of attention, how does that make it good, though? I'm not defending GT, that's a big pile of garbage as much as Super is.
Real Dragon ball fans:Dragon ball evolution is 100 times sucks
@@iknoweverything4959 They aren't equal, Super is better. Super might not have the best powescaling, but it is still much more enjoyable than GT.
Gt felt like a true sequel with much better animation and new forms super can't compare( only good things are Berus and Black).
My heart still thinks that GT is cannon and that Super is spin-off...
GT is better Squel, in fact it's should have been cannon in the first place, Super feels like it's doesn't belong anywhere, it's just a series with DB name in it
@@Omega-jg4oq Couldn't have said it better
Literally the Super retcons almost make it seem like Goku shouldn't have existed because if the gods did their jobs, then a lot could have been prevented
Super is canon lol
This man needs more likes. My biggest gripe with Super is how the kids were not aged up correctly. The issue is they weren't aged up at all!
@@DarkLore1992 Super happens in the time skip, they literally try to cram in so much stuff that the little things like Goten and Trunks becoming teens are just skipped out on
Nah, only transformations and pretty colors are the new meta for dbs
I mean I literally can't think of this as a serious sequel to Dbz
GT did way better than super by far, anyone tryna make any sense out of super needs to see a therapist
Therapy didn't help. Super still makes no sense. lol
Super is just milking the franchise
GT always had a special place in my heart. It brought back the adventure aspect of the original Dragon Ball while keeping the spirit of DBZ. I remember crying at the end of GT when Goku left with Shenron, very bitter sweet (“:
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One thing you got wrong is that these don’t place during the same period Super takes place in between the 10 year timeskip between the EOZ, GT takes place 5 years after the EOZ -
10 in the dub
Super is not a sequel but a interquel
Yeah, I wouldn't really consider the epilogue when saying if a series comes before or after.
That's like saying Sorcerer's Stone doesn't come before Chamber of Secrets just because it has flashbacks of Tom Riddle.
@@MasonTaylor22 you have to consider it as that is the true conclusion to the original series manga and anime. Also it’s been stated that those events take place still which is why in is shown.
The Buu saga starts after a timeskip from the cell saga. If super took place in that time gap instead that’s like saying I’m not gonna consider anything in the buu saga
The buu saga isn’t the end of the show the 28th world tournament saga is so it literally has to be considered because that’s the end of the story. There is a 15 year time difference between GT &. Super it just doesn’t make sense that they take place in the same period even if you took out the end of Z
Also, with Kakarot going through with the whole God route. Isn't he the same guy that turned down the role of Kami back in Dragon Ball? Why would he turn around and choose the whole God route after turning down becoming God?
This has now become a very popular opinion
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯 💯 💯. I agree, but it is only marginally better than super, and the main cause of this is that gt is much more consistent in its lore than super is by a wide margin.
GT is an era of peace and the whole point is Vegeta is older and alot more level headed no longer needing to prove himself to Goku, his arc was arguably complete when Majin Vageta sacrifices himself finally able to put everything else aside to do something completely selfless even knowing in all likelyhood he will end up going to hell and never see his best friend/Rival ever again. Vegeta in Super just feels like the same petty Vegeta who would throw away a fight just for the chance to fight someone strong (Like in the Cell Saga) and before you say 'Oh but UE Vegeta had to grow so he could keep rivaling Goku.' He got it off-screen and both UE and MUI somehow got one shot by Black Frieza which is just the SSJ2 of Frieza and it feels so underwhelming.
Vegeta is one of my favourite character if not my favourite in the whole franchise, he grew as a character from Sayian saga to the end of GT, when fighting Omega Shenron he knew Goku would pull through, he wasn't trying to 1 up him anymore he knew he may be strong but Goku has always been a step ahead which is what makes seeing Vegeta's confidence in the defeat of Omega even better.
I think they’re both bad but super is definitely worse IMO
GT had so much potential. It could have been better than Z!!
Too bad it turned into db goku time, the fights were bland and boring, villains weren’t fleshed out, etc.
@@leultrainstinct406 supertard
@@leultrainstinct406 the same can be said about super
GT is way better than super. There are things at stake in GT. In super gods can just control and undo anything and everything and Goku is a God level being as well with no one who can even provide a challenge.
Thank you! I thought i was the only one. At least gt actually got character development down. Super ruins all of the characters and the stories are so pointless. The thing that ruined gt was the very slow and boring start but when they got to the baby arc then it finally got good
The beginning of Dragonball was something for the of Dragonball fans
The filler in that was more enjoyable than Super filler tho in my opinion
@@dragonballspaghetti154 dbs is full of filler
@@saiyangod-wq9ux Way too much.
@@dragonballspaghetti154 the manga is the same way to Akira toriyama didn't 100% do the manga toyotarou was doing tons of stuff to
Not unpopular to me. Super is Pointless Trash.
Also one of the best movies is the GT movie with Goku Jr.
You must be unpopular yourself if you say that. The best db movie is dbs broly not tradh gt movies
The movie with Goku Jr. isn’t really the best but it’s one of the most emotional movies
It ain’t one of the best but it’s a pretty emotional GT movie
@@nehaalkhalid3436 your just a kid that only watched dragon super and that was your first time watching dragon ball lol
@@shadowninja1116 I watched z long ago it was my childhood it came in cn I also watched get but I’m not a victim of nostalgia and know when to say that a show is better z>super>gt
GUYS TRUST ME WATCH GT STARTING FROM BABY SAGA AND END IT AT THE 64TH EPISODE TRUST ME ITS SO MUCH BETER THAN SUPER
I'd argue that gt gohan isn't as weak as u believe. It's stated that he kept up with his training. And even then, u seem him holding back against a super sayain goten controlled by baby and taking no damage
Thank you for your effort doing this was fun to watch and would almost agree with everything u said, i just hate they hype over Super and in General what they did with Goku in Super
In addition u could have taken random power ups more into account like trunks vs fused zamasu
Kefla as strong as UI Goku.....
Kefla was nowhere near UI Goku she couldn't keep up with him or land a hit. Also that was his base PL while he was still exhausted
@@PhotonDragon16 he states that if he gets hit he loses... so you can scale her to his early UI Form. Moreover the argument stands that he had to go UI to defeat her......
Thanks! I loved making it and I appreciate the feedback.
That would have been another great thing to consider for sure.
I disagreed with the entire video. What they did what goku? He’s the same carefree idiot we know and love. Stop acting like his stupidity magically appeared in super, it was there the entire time lmao.
Trunks vs merged zamasu was about strategy techniques. Trunks was NEVER stronger than zamasu. You’d know that if you paid attention lol. He just had the advantage of his spirit sword which is most effective against pure evil, speed and agility, and his superior swordsmanship skills.
Kefla was never ui level😐 Krillin’s destructo disk cut nappa OMG THAT MeAnS He’S AS StOnG As NaPPA. Before he even went ui, he handled her with ease using ssbkk. He was just on his last legs so any hit would’ve made him power down. Kefla just found an opening and attacked. But a full stamina ssbkk would’ve been more than enough. His stamina just depleted. And he was able to tap into ui again. In ui he handled her with ease. She didn’t touch him a SINGLE TIME. It was only when ui was starting to run out and goku had to finish things, that he had a chance of getting hit. That’s the first thing to note. The second, is that it came from roshi...he said “I don’t THINK goku would survive that” he wasn’t even sure himself. Even if you wanna say he’s right, that doesn’t mean she’s as strong as ui goku. Her attack was just a fully charged attack with incredible power, just like final flash. Vegeta would’ve killed cell too. It’s an attack whether getting hit directly could take you out. It doesn’t mean the person is stronger.
@@leultrainstinct406 supertard
GT felt like a continuation of the series and Z's characters. Super feels more like fanfiction with Toriyama's notes on it.
Exactly GT is literally a nostalgic love letter to original DB with a message that everything eventually comes to an end, including all the adventures Goku had alongside his friends. It’s like the series acknowledges the audience has grown up and is saying to them “farewell, thank you so much for being with me since being a child and growing up with me and for all the adventures we had.” It’s like DB itself is speaking to you, hugging you, and saying goodbye to you. The ending leads up to this and it was heartbreaking. But it was also beautiful because Goku becomes like an omnipresent being who will always be there to guide all the next generations and watch the torch get passed on. I just don’t like how he straight up abandoned chi chi lol. I like to think they’re in heaven somewhere with Bardock Gine Gohan Goten and everyone else. It’s like a message saying “we will eventually all pass , but the idea of the adventure will live on forever”. This is BEAUTIFUL and FILLED with meaning and love. Overall the end of GT was like “all these legendary adventures and people are gone, but not forgotten , because Goku will always be there and watch over the next generations to come”. That was amazing and so nostalgic.
Super is like …. Fight fight, fight , super extra form , fight fight fight fight, gods, destroy the universe, fight , Goku , vegeta, bad animation, fight fight. No emotion, no connection, no meaning , no nostalgia and love for the original series whatsoever
Ecept GT doesnt develop any character at all lmao
@@samirsaidi2223 Whole lotta nothing in that comment, nostafagging as hell
@@jesser5138 I’m not surprised, typical super meat rider
@@jesser5138 enjoy ur next cash grabbing 14836485963638 forms that get replaced every 3 seconds and have no meaning whatsoever
I'm also probably one of the weird ones for liking GT. Yes it's not better than the DBZ glory days but it sure as hell better than the forced, mostly non-sensical, and thick plot armor that Super's plot relies and circles on. I never really understood the hate on GT. The series actually had substance unlike Super's heavily combat based but poor plot writing to pair with it.
GT's call back on the DB legacy was something i really appreciated. Tribute to the likes of Kid Goku, the Saiyan's power origin (Their tail and Oozarou form), reignition of Goku vs Vegeta in another form, and finally tying it up with Shenron's rise as the final villain. Bringing an end to the beloved series from where everything started in the first place: The *Dragonballs*
All in all i definitely like the substance that GT presented more. I don't fully think that Super is an unwatchable show (it's still enjoyable) but people talking shit about GT isn't really deserved at all.
One thing I like in particular about the way GT handled the Oozaru and Super Saiyan forms, was remembering that Vegeta's version of the Super Saiyan legend back before anyone achieved the transformation actually featured what looked like Gold Oozaru. The appearance of actual Super Saiyan Oozaru, and then leading to Super Saiyan 4, made me think that maybe Super Saiyan 4 was the original Super Saiyan of legend.
If I remember correctly (been a really long time since I last saw that part of Z), Vegeta said during the Namek Saga that the transformation only happened every thousand years, and there were flashes of the Golden Oozaru. When Goku became Super Saiyan during the Frieza fight, it was the same color, but not the same image of Oozaru. But come GT, with the Oozaru going Super Saiyan - thus matching the visual in Vegeta's memory of the original Legend -, and then forming into Super Saiyan 4.
That made me come up with a personal headcanon that the Super Saiyan 1 Transformations, while very uncommon, weren't unheard of among the ancient Saiyans. Super Saiyan 2 was rarer but still not unheard of. Super Saiyan 3 was even rarer, but was still known. But the Golden Oozaru transformation that births Super Saiyan 4 is an absolute one in a million occurrence, and the identifying feature is the Giant Golden Oozaru. The emergence of that _one_ being was what sparked the legend of the Super Saiyan. Heck, I think before that, Super Saiyan 1 through 3 may not have even been called "Super Saiyan" by the ancient Saiyans, and it was only the terrifying Golden Oozaru - and the resulting Super Saiyan 4 - that would truly be considered something like a Super Saiyan in that ancient society.
The fact that the first through third stages are called Super Saiyan, in my headcanon, could easily be chalked up to Vegeta mistaking the first stage on the path as being the end goal itself. That also lends a bit of credibility to the frequency part of the Legend - once every thousand years. Because in DBZ, there are no less than five Super Saiyans (as known by Vegeta) - six if you consider Present Trunks and Future Trunks as separate characters - which would raise odd questions about how frequently they pop up as opposed to the Legend. But then the Golden Oozaru matching the Legend comes along, and then from that Goku forms into Super Saiyan 4 - the original Super Saiyan of Legend - more or less matching the timeframe of that Legend as well. Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta, admittedly, does also happen, which would break the frequency a bit, but beyond that, NO further cases of Super Saiyan 4 emerge. Only the base Super Saiyan forms - which in this hypothetical aren't what the Legend considers actual Super Saiyans - make an appearance in the future in the form of Goku and Vegeta's descendants.
One final note, but I also liked how GT finalised the progression of the Super Saiyan forms as well. Super Saiyan 4's look actually made the hair growth in Super Saiyan 3 make sense (at least for me). So now I view the various stages of Super Saiyan as a progression: 1 is the body awakening to the new power, 2 is the body acclimatized to the power and preparing for Stage 3, 3 is where the hair grows obscenely long and the power boost is biggest (and for me is the threshold for when Oozaru can become Golden Oozaru to finish the journey), and then 4 felt like what would happen if the Super Saiyan 3 hair went back to base-Saiyan colors, also with the red furs and newly-revealed irises. Full transformation complete.
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Compared with all that, the color palate swaps for Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue and Super Saiyan Rose just felt really unimaginative by comparison.
@@quentincoetzee4313that's actually a pretty good explanation 👌
I agree with all the arguments in your video, including Dragon Ball GT, unlike DBS, had character development, unfortunately not for everyone as it was made by Toei Animation, but I don't doubt at all that if Dragon Ball GT came back with Akira Toryama writing the story Keeping all the positive points, I have no doubt that it would be a bigger success than DBS.
Something I wanted with all my heart is a Dragon Ball GT from the Saiyan saga with Goku still having his tail so he wouldn't need training in the future to get it back, I wanted him to adapt all the Z films into the anime in his own order chronological until reaching the buu saga then starting The Arc that will adapt the good events of Dragon Ball GT, depending on I would even watch the Saga of the new generation "Goku Jr" "Vegeta Jr" until they reach adulthood because they would be more stronger than their country because they would have more potential for evolution, but until it reaches the level of Goku GT 100 years I believe it would be an anime with several episodes (a fan's wish).
Would've been great, but now we'll never get that. Rest in Peace Akira.
I don't really count Super as a Dragonball show and more of a parody that doesnt really exist or that only kids and too far gone fanboys enjoy.
For me the actual timeline of Dragonball is
Bardock special»DB»Z» GT
I use GT in vs debates over super cause super is too inconsistent.
When it comes to entertainment super has really gone down compared to Z and Db.
DB multiverse was more enjoyable than the whole of super in my opinion.
Here's my ranking of the shows
Z≈Db>dbs
I know those fanboys are gonna jump me just for having this opinion but blame the writers for making the show bad.
Back when the characters were consistent. Goku wasn't a 100% dumbass, Vegeta actually developed after the buu saga after admitting Goku was the best and even became more of a friend to him rather than being a rival. And no major plotholes every second that invalidated Z. I mean, what the hell is Canon and not Canon anymore, and does it even matter? Say what you want about GT but at least it had a heart and a soul, the people there wanted to tell a good story. The people on Super just wanna make money. They made a movie about Broly because of his popularity, meanwhile Dragon Ball GT's movie is a heartwarming coming of age story set in the far future of Dragon Ball.
Man I really hope they bring back ss4 just for broly. If he comes back in the TV anime I hope they use him to show the "power from anger" saiyan side and bring back the "you fucked up at making me angry" narrative.
He could really be a hulk figure in the Dragonball universe, and he's like the only way I see to give more life to the basic and non canon ss transformations, seeing that they kinda canonized false super saiyan in the movie(?).
Ya I know they didn't but I wanna dream
I found this video wondering if anyone had the same opinion. Super isn't horrible but they are straying away from what made DB great. Super's characters are so ridiculous and underwhelming it's hard to take the show itself seriously.
Super destroyed the power scale as well. When I watched the Black Saga it took me back to the Freiza days just for Super Sayain Trunks to kill him?! What's the point of the power scale in the first place?😳😤😤😤😤 Might as well have Piccolo kill Black at that point. Also while your on the TOP why have Goku and Vegeta be so strong just to have Krillin and Piccolo fight alongside them? It makes literally no sense!!!🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
If anyone is old enough to remember the old DBAF fanfic and images online in the 00's, you'll see that Super seems to have borrowed quite a bit from those half-baked ideas as fan service.
GT didn't do this. Yes it took risks that didn't pay off, but it also had a lot of interesting ideas that you won't see in Super. Like having a negative aspect to overusing the DBs, or returning to the terror that was the Saiyans with Baby and SSJ4. GT was just overall a more entertaining series than Super and felt final when it ended.
I refuse to watch super so I guess I am on your side.
Note: No one that isn't bad never dies. Dragon Balls save everyone and everything. Any "sacrifice" can't be considered as such. Goku didn't sacrifice to kill Raditz. Oh yeah, like you said: No strategy required. Punch punch; Transform to power up and beat villain or just ask other people for their energy to kill the villain.
GT is just depressing. It’s art style and story all have a fleeting feeling to them as you can really just tell that dragon balls time and all the characters we’ve come to love are about to be gone.
I love Dragon Ball GT.
Same
100%
after reading chapter 65 of the Moro saga, yeah I think this is now the popular opinion
Its been a popular opinion for years just that in the past if you claimed to like GT 100 internet ninjas would flame you.
@@joeclaridy they would try to flame you but then they just stuck to leaving laugh reactions to your comments because they couldn’t think of a good comeback to the points made. Most people who say they hate GT never watched it and saw a few memes.
Funny you say that, because I've actually liked the Moro saga. lol
Here we go lmao. Ch. 65 was an amazing chapter. Long story short, you took the senzu bean moment at face value instead of seeing what it truly meant. That moment was not only badass, but it was the first character development goku ever got in a post Z series.
@@leultrainstinct406 you have low expectations
It's also important to remember it's just entertainment bro....essentially it's escapism...it accomplishes this effortlessly if you let it...I enjoyed this though, very thought provoking to say the least...
Oh, for sure. I'm not trashing on anyone who gets enjoyment from it.
DBS fans: dragon ball super is better
DB GT : *and i took that personally*
I haven't watched GT but do plan on doing so at some point. I've heard it's terrible but plan to approach it with an open mind.
As someone that isn't familiar with the source material, I'd have appreciated seeing more examples of character growth in GT since that seems to be the crux of yoir argument. I do agree that they're pretty flat in Super, but don't yet have a foundation of GT knowledge to compare to.
Come back and let me know what you think once you watch it!
"super's like a parody of DBZ." like as if they were watching dragon ball z abridged. XD
Super could've been good if they didn't write the characters like ass and they didn't overhype God Ki/Super Saiyan God as this end all be all of the new age, where you either have it, you're an apprentice to someone with it, you're Hit, or you've got some BS power up to fight on par with God Ki users. Also too many callbacks to Z.
Gohan never gave up ssj. He was told he wouldnt need it.
tl;dr GT felt like Dragon Ball, Super felt like a joke. Great video; you should exclusively do video essays / analysis. Would get way more subs if ppl weren't afraid of getting spammed with r6 clips in their feed
Thanks for the feedback! I originally started this channel to post clips when I was playing competitive R6, but I'm not anymore, so now that school has slowed down, I'll get back into video essays and not spam people. :)
Namek as an whole is my favorite Saga, as it was able to encompass a space adventure, the hunt for the Dragon Balls with a lot of parties involved in the hunt. You have the Gyniu Force that bring back og DB villains vibes, then you also have a drastic change in tone for a darker, more serious tone which I also enjoy a lot. The fight against Frieza is epic and to couple you probably have the most iconic moment in Anime history when Goku goes SSJ for the 1st time. I gotta say that while the Bulma filler is harmless if not boring, the Ginyu force getting easily handled by the Z fighters in King Kaio planet filler really rubbed me the wrong way.
Finally. Being a GT fan is a lonely life.
There are literally dozens of us!
@@MasonTaylor22 yep it’s sad
Not really, people hates super. Its garbage.
@@MasonTaylor22 bro I can’t even lie. This is one of the worst and most inaccurate videos I’ve ever seen. The moment you said super is all about goku, when GT is literally db goku time, this video lost credibility💀
@@leultrainstinct406 supertard
The thing is, goku in dbz isn't stupid. He has shown on multiple occasions he is incredibly intelligent, but he just isn't educated. Goku in GT is mostly the same, but Goku in Super acts like a literal child.
For me Dragonball ended with GT but I still enjoy watching super
@@michaelomari8153 same. It ended with the gt movie with goku junior for me
Yeah,he isnt the only character who has undergone flanderization.
Vegetas character growth during the buu saga is completely ignored
Every time I spent even a second watching/reading Super, I thought the same thing. He was very intelligent, he was just extremely naive about a lot of things, but when you think about it, Goku has the most well thought out ingenious battle tactics. Torpedo Kamehameha's against Frieza to distract and leave him open and Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha against Cell are two examples of this.
what makes him act like a child?! because it seems like yall forget about Z frfr 🤣🤣🤣
I absolutely love what GT did, although I’m aware the execution was far from perfect. When you strip it down to its core, it is basically a very melancholic story about a grandfather going on a last adventure with his granddaughter before having to say the inevitable goodbye; which is already heartwarming/tear jerker in and of itself, but that further rises to ABSURD levels if you think of the whole thing as basically Goku’s ultimate redemption for his “original sin”, the unintentional murder of Grandpa Gohan. It’s not a coincidence, I think, that the circumstances of Ssj4’s awakening are basically what Goku wish had happened the night Gohan died: that he had managed to control the Oozaru and save him. And this time he actually makes it, sparing Pan, his own grandchild, the fate that befell old Gohan. Put this together with the OG Dragon Ball scene where Goku and Gohan meet again at Baba’s tournament, and a waterfall of tears will be the inevitable result. This kind of love for the heart of Dragon Ball’s mythology is why I like GT, and why I’ll always see it as the canon ending to Goku’s journey.
As for Super, on the other hand… yeah, it’s… a series of cool fights. Very cool, sometimes. Way cooler than GT’s, for sure. But that’s it. No heart, no themes, no story. Some hints here and there maybe, but nothing more than that.
Oh wow I never even saw it like this before! This is incredible!!
i think i found the first comment in my life that is actually struck a serious chord with me. Youre right man... GT is so pretty.
I just rewatched GT after about 20 years and realized a level of depth present in the writing that surprised me a lot. The evil four star dragon turned good partially out of respect for Goku BUT, also the bond that Goku had with that ball his entire childhood. I thought they were going to ignore it altogether... and then they go and do something like that. Which is entirely consistent with the overarching story and their theme of turning some evil characters around. A bit of an underwhelming character as a whole, I'll admit, but fantastic idea.
Which is a general gripe I have with GT as a whole. They have a lot of great ideas with subpar execution. Especially the animation itself feels like they were very pressed for time.
Yeah I didn’t see that cooler fight part of anything I think the fights is where the gas is gone out of the tank gold freeza was super boring the whole time the lord Beerus fights got old quickly becuz I feel they failed to show us ssjb or god mode was any better then any of his other forms
I wouldn't even say DBS' fight were cool. Once you saw one, you saw all of them. It's not like og DB where each fight was distintctly unique.
I'm not a fan of either but I'd take GT over Super any day GT does have stuff that I really like. The villains and especially Super Saiyan 4 SSJ4's design was genius becoming more animal like that Blue Hair form from Super is just an eyesore and I hate that it's basically become the default transformation
It stays more true to Saiyan heritage rather than god thingy. Also, the main reason they did the god saiyan probably because due to laziness. You know, reskin, recolor, no need to redesign, ez job
yeah SSJ god is Goku with red hair red pupils and a firey aura (srry for Bad grammar english is not my first language)
Also GT's opening and endings' songs are far FAR superior to Super's. That's a hill I'll die on.
Back when they respected the main characters
uhhhh yamcha? Tien? Krillin? Chaotzu....................... and let's not forget the orginal waifu...... LAUNCH!?!?!?1
@@dreamsnetwork9132 your right about everybody except for krillin and launche disappeared after saiyan saga
@@newage1361 I guess you can say Akira Toriyama and Toei are the one who hit their heads so bad when they were kids
@@Omega-jg4oq it wasnt directed by toei and nor was it from toriyama, it was directed by Osamu Kasai
@@newage1361 whatever who was behind this, you get my point
GT did a much better job at introducing things that tied back into the lore of DB then what Super ever tried to do
Ya I wish gt was the sequel and super was the third
@@gamergav2847 facts
Literally the only thing the introduced was ssj4 and baby. There’s nothing else. Super expands on the god hierarchy that started in early db with the introduction of gods of destruction, angels, and zeno. They expand on supreme Kai lore as well with more backstory of the grand supreme Kai. The expand on the saiyain lore with ssg, the u6 saiyains, and broly. They expand on frieza’s effect on the universe with the granolah arc. Super for sure did this better. It’s not even close.
introducing things my ass! the one thing gt did successfully was COMPLETELY RUIN THE MEMORIES OF OG DB for me! the writers went 'oh no! goku is way too strong now wtf to do. i know why not turn him into a fucking child!' if youve watched og naruto and then shippuden and then they create a series where naruto turns into the og naruto ... thats whats called dumbassery and pathetic creation! same for db... even in dbz goku wasnt that all matured lemme remember the time where he got overconfident and m.vegeta knocked him out, when he instaead of training gohan further just surrendered and gave SENZU BEAN AND SO MANY MORE EGS! SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BULL SHIT.... and indtroducing!!!! the brought back super 17 you idiot which can easily be WORST SAGA IN ANIME
@@leultrainstinct406 ah yes super is amazing! Now you just have to have tingling feeling in your back to ssj!
The thing i loved about gt is the uniqueness in the villains the villiains in gt had tactics on how to defeat their enemy rather than using raw power gt also did not overuse transformations and kept power level realtively stable while in super transformations were so overused that transformations like super saiyan 1 posed no meaning and there was no reason to use ssj1 when they had ssb and super really did not have anything like an adventure and it never really explore the depths of universe 7 while super expanded so much to the other universes it forgot to reveal lore about the main chracter's universe what a shame,Also the threats posed to the z warriors in super were not even a threat at all as goku and vegeta had got so strong that at this point they were unstoppable In the end,All i want to say is that super is good its not bad but gt is not trash either u see i was one of the fanboys who jumped on the bandwagon that gt is trash for no reason but after watching gt boy i feel like an idiot now For all those people who havent even watched Gt watch it till the end trust me it wont dissapoint i could even dare say its better than super but in the end they both are dragon ball i dont care whichever's the best as long as dragon ball wins i am happy
Thanks for opening your eyes and spitting out the cool aid. I know there's a sizable faction of GT haters who've never seen the series which pisses me off. I hope more people would follow your lead.
YES. This is why I love GT so much more.
no offense but please use punctuation
@@joeclaridy they need to watch the japan dub with subtitles. completely different from the eng dub version and better imo
@@SoniKast Lol I didn't even realize that until you mentioned it.
I don’t know why people do not like part one of GT because it drags out but I mean... Have they ever heard of something called world building? Goku in Super is a kid in an adult body while GT Goku is an adult in a child’s body
Lol
I haven't watched gt I heard that it is trash compared to super,is it really true,but I hate dragon ball super it's only about fights there is no good villan or plot,so if gt is even worse then super then idk what to do.
@@layman_1822 Well, I really liked GT, but I've never watched Super, and I'm not exactly planning on it. I'm not sure if GT is better than DB or Z, but sure isn't far behind in my estimation. It don't think it gets quite as funny as Dragon Ball (I've only watched the beginning and the first part of muscle tower, and I found the ninja fight to be absolutely hilarious), nor does the action feel quite as cool as the Frieza arc, but it's a good blend of both, imo. As for the music, I do like the English intro, although I've never listened to the Japanese intro. I'm not sure if you'll like it, but I'd recommend you give it a shot. I liked the whole series, but my favourite part was that first arc. Also, I'm a huge of fan of Pan and Giru, and Adult Trunks is the best version of his character I've seen. I really like his outfit, and I feel like I'd been waiting to see him ever since the introduction of Future Trunks and the Tapien movie. Cool series all around.
@@jonathandoe1367 ok
Because the characters and their interactions are bland and boring. I could write some garbage and call it "world building", too, it doesn't mean it's actually good. I've read books where it's mostly 2 characters, do they "muh world building" to be good?
I love GT more then super
Because it's the closest thing to dbz and I love limits unlike DBZ God and universe and then something beyond that
Its just joke
DBZ is not just about being superior and fighting without a story line
That’s the issue. Gt tried so hard to copy from db and z that it never had its own tone. That’s why with the ending, it only showed memories from db and z instead of gt itself. Which made everything that happened feel pointless. Super had elements from db and z, and it also established its own tone.
@@leultrainstinct406 the only tone I got from super was that if you ain't a god or someone that is god tier you ain't shit
@@leultrainstinct406 if it had showed memories from gt it wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. Gt included segments of its own in piccolo’s death and that made it terrible. It using its own was not a good thing. You really are reaching. Super also had moments from z, what’s your point?
@@leultrainstinct406 Yeah Super established it's own tone and that's the reason why it's so bad. In Super Goku acts like a retarded child all the time, yeah that's definitely a great tone.
@@christopherford39 While GT was just "if you ain't goku, you aint shit" XD
GT's tone is also darker and more serious it was the right direction of the show. Super is way too light hearted and like I think you said earlier it's almost like a parody of DBZ.
True but to be fair Super was a time period where it was more peaceful too so they wanted to try something different to GT even though GT was also a time period of peace.
@@petepangtele182 I guess lol. It just would’ve made more sense to build a more serious tone to compete with modern anime AND to appease your now aging fan base. I think they might have also targeted a younger audience with super that’s the only thing that makes sense for some of the characters we see in the show.
The Goku black arc was the only serious arc, and it was still pretty laid back. The infamous kissing scene and Goku forgetting to bring sensu beans showcase the writers lack of effort to build tension.
@@Eric-gw1uo that and beerus and whis were still around defending the main timeline like that just kills all the tension immediately. wtf is black gonna do when he arrived at that timeline? beerus will just destroyed him and it turns out that taking over one timeline is just impossible anyway since zeno of that timeline will erase it no matter what if black/zamasu acts up. the entire killing all mortals plan was stupid to begin with. when you think about it, the tension really doesn't exist and the main cast really didn't even need to go back to the past.
Here's why GT is better than Super.
*STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR*
100%
Here’s why Super is better than gt:
*ui theme intensifies*
@@leultrainstinct406 no one cares
@@leultrainstinct406 so super's only great quality is ultra instinct. Something that has been around since the original dragon ball on turned into a technique
@@christopherford39atleast vegeta does does something in super. Unlike vegeta who was a background character until omega shebron came.
Gohan does nothing in gt. I mean except getting controlled by baby. Goten does nothing, except getting controlled by baby. Trunks, still does nothing. Goku now is bunable to use instant transmission just because hes smaller?
Goku is so selfish and unlikable in Super. The humour and Beerus were keeping me going but I just finished the Beerus saga and I’m not interested in watching meaningless fights where the unlikable, unrelatable, irrelevant protagonist wins yet again by yelling to the point his hair changes a new colour.
The fucking worst is the 1 minute explanation of how Goku can still hurt Beerus after losing Super Saiyan God level because of muscle memory. Like you were barely holding your own with him in Super Saiyan God form now you’ve lost that and your doing better.
Translation: it makes no actual sense but it’s impractical to have the super Saiyan god ritual done every time and we can’t max out his power level here and just make an exception for our lazy writing because it’s Goku.
It’s an insult to fans with a brain, it’s an insult to Beerus, Ares or any other actual gods of war/destruction.
This guy said it best, Dragon Ball Super is a parody and a cash grab.
The worst of this is that Goku supposedly absorbed this God Ki into his base form. But apparently Frieza and so many others are able to catch up to that in less time. Oh let's not forget Granolah made a wish and caught up to 20 years of development which also beats Frieza's record of 4 months of training. That's pure bullshit at its finest and no Super fan has addressed that elephant in the room.
What you said is cool and all but super is still better 💯
@@lilzennywockhardt lay off the crack pipe
@@lilzennywockhardt I love the sarcasm.
The way I see it is that the base God ki was temporary and expended when Goku nullified Beerus' blast. And I disagree with Goku being selfish. Before you mention T.O.P Goku just asked for a friendly tournament between universes and not like when Beerus and Champa did one without permission and could have gotten erased. With regards to Goku sparing Frieza I will give you that one.
I think GT is a underrated masterpiece.
not masterpiece, but definitely underrated
Aujuai Hughes I agree people hate on it for no reason I dared people to say why it’s bad and literally what they say is what’s so bad about super and it shows dbgt is way better
I don't know if I'd call it a masterpiece, but I did really love it.
How can you officially say that gt is better tuen super
All of it is opinion
I agree. The baby and omega shenron arc are very underrated.
I actually agree with this video. GT at least tried a new direction. It’s shortcomings were in part by the writers strike. DBS is just bad writing. My biggest beef with it aside just another power up excuse is the fact they put master roshi in the TOP instead of Yamcha. Fights were nice but they series felt devoid of any soul. Even the Dan-Dan opening song has more heart. Completely agree with this argument
Yea whats funny is that the mangaka who draws super (toriyama writes the story) was making his own fan sequel to DBZ and it was so good he got hired and canceled his own manga to make super which is legitimately way worse. There are atleast 3 dbz fan manga sequals that are better then super by a pretty big margin.
Oh I agree its like they forgot Yamcha
@@watchbloodsunvendetta1447 The fan Manga for he made wasn't even good and felt incredibly fanfic-y. Which is what Super is, if you think about it.
Actually in the GT perfect files, it stated that Gohan has kept up with his training over the last 15 years
Good point. Thanks!
Doesn't seem like it
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 He actually had that's how now he can use his ultimate form on ssj
he learned his lesson from buu saga that he should never be rusty. besides in GT pan's old enough to defend herself. so he got more time to train and work.
Doesn't seem like it???
Both Goku and Gohan fought base form General Rildo..... a being Goku stated was superior to Majin Buu.... Even if you lowball this to Fat Buu, for both Goku and Gohan to fight this being is their base form (and be even as Gohah/ be vastly superior as Goku) is HUGE. Their base forms in Z would have been utterly destroyed with ease.....
Dragonball gt rules over super anyday
I agree. :)
You have a death wish
Emotion Je Fuck up bitch
Ew
No
Totally agreed. GT is by no means a perfect series but Super was, to my disappointment, far, far worse. I agree with anyone that GT = basically Goku Time (Pan got screwed bigly), but Super tried to weirdly force the secondary characters as a gesture to fans, and then thew it away with the Tournament of Power saga. And personally, the Tournament of Power saga was the most boring, cringy, and predictable arc of the entire series.
I found the fights more enjoyable in super but gt was good
Nope that comment made no sense th T.O.P was way better so you're wrong
Yeah the ToP was some hot garbage. Literally everyone knew how it’d turn out which isn’t something you can say of any other arc in the series except for maybe the pilaf arc, the characters abilities were straight up ignored, they had people acting totally out of character, gokus base gets literally 2,000,000x stronger in 40 minutes and they didn’t even have the decency to keep a consistent art style sometimes they’d literally switch art styles several times in a single episode
I think Toei made Super to show what would happen if GT used all the people who obviously couldn’t keep up with Goku and Vegeta
@@GOD_lovesyousomuch no
i wouldnt mind if they rebooted GT if its the same team that rebooted Broly.
So much potential.
Like the z-fighter line up in rebooted GT would be: Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub.
The rebooted version needs keep this concept:
-ssj4
-baby
-shadow dragons
-soundtrack
-The ending of gt
But please with the old (good) animation quality. DB Super looks brutally cheap!
Daniel Medjedovic if they rebooted gt it would be garbage like super or hero’s
@@StooRoxxAss I'm not gonna start about gt vs super debate so I'm just gonna say gt animation is no where dragon ball Z . Even super just ignoring the bad start and all the bad episodes it had at last two episodes that the animation was superior compared to Z and everything else we saw earlier
@@slejszer5100 I think he means the fact that 90% of the time the characters look plastic.
@@CloudStrife-rw8bj I dont think he meant that
GT had over 61 million viewers on TV,super barely get 2 on their best day. Only place gt is hated on is trolls on the internet.
you know that super literally broke toonami and gt did the opposite and super is gets 10x more viewers than gt
Syed but gt is still better
@@syed2187 super has a low viewership compare to GT which is comparable to Z
Syed no it doesn’t like he said
And the internet at that time wasn’t even really developed infact you were probably in your fathers ball sack at that time
GT also had more meaning into it
Fans were obsessed with Z fighting that it blinded them from the beauty of adventure that GT presented, that’s the truth unfortunately nowadays many (not all) only wants fighting not story.
Gt had story a joke it was filled with potholes. And anyway dragonball is big because of the fights. Gt was rushed and lackluster as well
Nehaal Khalid
Then What about about Super? Feels like Nothing but a rehash of Dbz with too much plot holes, at least GT had a great ideas even if Excuted poorly, it still tried and it did deliver on some points like the baby arc and ssj4 and ssj4 Gogeta plus we saw all the characters actually grown up and we were given a true finale and saw how the story of the franchise end, the GT story is more original and makes more sense to be the continuation of Dragon ball Z
@@Kyle-fn9tz you are angry about goten and trunks. Its been months since the buu saga not years like gt.
@@Kyle-fn9tz I personally don't like ss4 I like the god forms better but I respect your opinion
@@Kyle-fn9tz I personally don't like ss4 I like the god forms better but I respect your opinion
GT is 9999x better than the bad animation no plot unoriginal forms too many forms that mean nothing and are just so that characters can power up quickly with almost no build up lookin ass DBS
This dude only has 100 subscribers.... he deserves more for how quality his explanations are.
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Thanks man! To be fair I'm kind of a one hit wonder so far. lol I need to make more content. I've got lots of ideas for videos, but I've got grad school and work going right now. As soon as I graduate, I hope to make many more!
@@MasonTaylor22 cheers to you, my friend.
This moved me
yeah, it was like i was hearing my own consciousness about dragon ball, all the arguments where valid and i like them so i subbed
GT is honestly my favorite continuation to Z. I'm not a big fan of what Toriyama and toyotaro did with super. I like super but gt is better
I prefer GT too.
Super>> by a landslide. Gt was solid for what it was tho, but super is the superior sequel.
@@leultrainstinct406 opinion basher
@@leultrainstinct406 Super is a show about nothing.
Feel free to back up that assertion.
@@leultrainstinct406 i like a few episodes of super including the movie but sorry to make you mad , i personally like db gt better
GT is the superior show plain and simple. In the Baby arc GT did more with Goten/Trunks than Super has in 5 shitty arcs which includes 2 pointless tournaments
The Baby arc is one of my favorite Dragonball arcs of all time behind the Frieza arc and the Demon King Piccolo arc.
Super lacked in the villains department. Not including the Frieza revival arc since it was originally a Z movie, the entirety of Super only had real one villain, Goku Black/Zamasu. Everybody else were just warriors fighting for their survival. And even then, Goku Black wasn’t even a new original villain. It was just basically evil Goku, which was already pretty much done before, albeit briefly and on a smaller scale, when Ginyu switched bodies. Don’t get me wrong. I love Super; the ToP was a lot of fun to watch, but it needed one more arc with a new and original true villain.
Bloody Persistent no
Majestic Tv Excellent argument.
There’s a new DBS villain called Moro in the manga
I have to say. Although Toriyama is writing super. He is way older and his idea's aren't as fresh. The man didn't even want to revisit dragon ball but was constantly pressured because there's a market for it. So what he did was write out the general story like a book and let the animators interpret it how they may which is why super feels like such a mess of idea's.
Toriyama, until Daima, really had very little involvement with what Super turned out to be. Same with GT.
@aubueruser7228 You're exactly right. The reason why is because he stated himself, "Being on a weekly schedule to write new chapters was Hell." I can only imagine. Must be the same reason Naruto's creator Kishimoto and possibly other creators have little involvement with their stories once they end and a spinoff is created.
Let's make this simple......
Monkey > Gods
Reject divinity
Return to monke
When you remember super isn't a sequel but seprequel
Midquel*
@@nialma4371 interquel
Idefkquel
You wish
@@samuelthegamer8478 it is a midquel
1 correction GT takes place after the end of Z whereas Super is set after the defeat of Majin Buu but before end of Z during that 10 year period
I entirely agree I find that GT is better than super although there are parts of super that I enjoy, GT has more heart to it I feel and even though it has its problems (some it shares with Super) it just has more heart and does have better story concepts. GTcan be summed up as a series about consequences whether it foolish wishes, revenge for past crimes, or abusing the dragon balls
Ssj4 is also an amazing transformation that fits with the lore of the Saiyans
They confirmed it was actually 5 in gt not 10 idk why tbh
I love DBS more than GT. GT is a better written show in terms of story, but Super is more memorable. I watched GT twice, and one of the times was last year and I remember nothing. I watched Dragon ball Super back in 2018 and I remember everything about the TOP, Black Goku saga, and u6 vs u7 saga.
@@jantheking7028 gt isnt a better story really. Its more like good concepts with poor execution.
Its proven by the fact that the fans can only bring the baby arc and maybe the shadow dragons arc, but that would be a stretch, as a defence for the story when in supers case there is the goku black arc, the u6 vs u7 arc and the top arc.
Gt is considered bad due to the insane focus on goku and pan and to poor execution of the stories in general, but it has some things that are way better than super. One of those things is ssj4. This is a far greater transformation than ssg, ssb or ui. It fits better with the lore and has weight behind it, unlike the others that just...uninteresting really. Not even ui seems interesting. It only makes goku faster and have a better reaction time...just another pointless transformation.
@@andrei3436 Baby saga was their best story from GT for sure,Super 17 and Shadow Dragons were okay,the black star ball saga was absolute garbage I refuse to watch it ever again.You said there were a few things in GT that were way better than Super,other than the Super Saiyan 4 transformation that you mentioned what else is there?
All the people that claim that GT is way better than Super is because of character development but the only character that mattered was Goku,they either made everyone else irrelevant or killed them off.Trunks did nothing special and Pan was just flat out annoying.
Good catch.
I agree with your other sentiments.
GT was not bad at all. Of course had some poor moments but so did Z and OG dragon ball. Super is just.. bad man.
Super and gt are both trash
Ssg shouldve just been the last transformation t.o.p should've been a martial arts tournemt going back to the world tournements and banned a ki attack and rely on there true inner power instead of ki and transformstions
Ki and transformations aren’t bad at all. As long as it’s used creatively. Which it was.
I forgot i posted a comment
im just here to say that Super is HOT GARBAGE, and if u like it, you dont understand what made DB , DBZ and yes DBGT great. Go watch pokemon, it has the same vibe as Super
I’m just here to say gt is an ABOMINATION AND DISGRACE to the db franchise. If you like you, you really don’t understand what made db, z, and gt so great. All those series had elements from a previous series as well as their OWN TONE. Gt was too scared to even do that, so it milked the nostalgia from db and z. This is evident in many ways, but especially the ending. Notice how the showed flashbacks from db and z instead of anything that happened in gt itself? It’s sad cuz they could’ve just showed the last episode and eliminate the rest of the series, and it would still equally as emotional. Everything was about goku from start to finish even tho he was supposed to pass the torch to uub. The end. Idek what you could watch because nothing is as bad or has as horrible of a tone lol. Just go watch db and z since that’s all gt survived off of.
@@leultrainstinct406 🤡
@@leultrainstinct406 I'm here to say your comments are cringe
There's no real feeling of danger in Super. It's really lazy writing with Super. DBGT you felt like Omega Shenron could obliterate the universe.
this isnt an unpopular opinion, everyone knows GT is better, animation, story, character development, its just better than super.
I don't know about animation because both have JANK animation
@@BBK113 not as jank as the beginning of super lol, plus the voice acting is better in gt, characters just have more complex personality’s
At least gt was original in power ups and villains super just recycles and recolors every old power up and villains then slaps a half assed name on em...half assed regurgitated power ups and half assed names for em
Yes...yes it is. The animation in super makes it unwatchable for me
Gt 64 episodes 2 good arc and lots of respect for the lore. Super 131 episodes 1 good arc ( zamasu ) no respect for the lore.
Skip super, it completely destroys upon everything dB, dbz built up. They made ssj3 a complete joke. The power creep is ridiculous and it is all fan service. Vegeta is now a maid who sucks on a pacifier. Goku is even dumber than ever. Oh and Gohan is not the future.
As much as people complained about GT. It had the more satisfying ending and coolest form of all. Super just changes the hair color and calls it a day. GT is the rightful conclusion to the franchise. No tingle feeling or easily learning ssj2 in a few minutes.
You like gt because everyone is useless expect goku? Nice joke dude
Yeah i agree super is really just a power contest it takes the impact away from transformations as well
Just saw this and looked at your other content. Do more unpopular and anime style stuff. Less video game stuff. Grow as an anime channel and join the ranx bro. You could kill it with your analysis.
Thanks for the feedback! I started school shortly after this video, so I kind of got too tied up to make videos, but things are getting easier and I think I'll start making them again. :)
@Mason Taylor I'm not sure how helpful this is, but I just found your channel through this video and I liked it. For what it's worth, I tend to watch and enjoy video game content more than anime content. Obviously, make what you have a passion for, but I'm just saying that video games are cool and popular, so many people like them. I also think games tend to lend themselves more to analysis and discussion than tv shows, because games often spell themselves out less and focus on gameplay, while shows tend to simply show you a thing (this applies less to art films and obscure indie webshows). Take this for what you will, and keep up the good work. :)
Bro if you brought up endings of the series then GT would have one I cried seeing that ending
Dang it! Missed opportunity! I should have talked about the endings.
I did not believe that it was over, I did not want to believe ,that I would never see the further adventures of my favorite heroes, I love GT because it has a similar atmosphere to the original, not like super, full of humor, strange humor and rubber characters, but the end of GT, it was a heartbreaker
BoBaFeTT271 GT animation didn’t look like a joke too lmao
No, why would he bring up the endings if Dragon Ball Super isn't even over? Yall GT fans are reaching now, GT is good, but Super is better. The only good arc of GT was the baby arc, and his powers and abilities were not even very origonal, Baby was essentially just a combinition of the worst aspects of Super Buu and Cell.
for many people, the beginning of the super ,was the end of it, I hope that it changes course, because this is an iceberg collision course
It's kinda funny because I think the reason GT is more tonally consistent is because it's right off the heels of the DBZ run. Where as Super feels more like it's panging to nostalgia almost as if it's going "HEY HEY! REMEMBER.... DrAgOn BaLl!??" which is weird considering globally next to Pokemon I'd say Dragon ball is the most pervasive widespread bit of popularized anime that everyone knows about. Where GT tried to build on the Lore from preexisting content, Super tries creating callbacks to the past as content for no reason. Where GT can be disappointing when it misses a beat, Like for example most don't like GT Trunks, They liked the memory of super cool Future Trunks... But when Super gives you Future Trunks back... it's just hollow.
Whereas we may liked the Battle-hardened Post-apocalypse future Trunks, he existed for a reason to make it so one future would be better than the other. When you reintroduce him it undermines his sacrifice he made and the character Arc he had to go through to achieve it.... It also greatly undermines the Trunks the saved timeline can become. Someone whose more carefree and looking for adventure.
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
This video is amazing, expressses everything ive loved about gt for a while.
Glad to hear others agree! :)
GT fiercely dominates super, enough said.
I like gt more than super for many things, but the biggest thing for me is simpley becease there is tension in gt.
In super you have gods that can simply defeat or assist the hero's to defeat the villain.
Look at how zamasu got defeated, look at how goku was able to defeat frieza after he blows up the planet in revival of f. All where doings of the gods that made them win in the end. There was 0 tension in those moments becease of those gods helping out.
And the tournament of power also din't have tension. Simply because we all knew that they would wish back everyone who got erased by zeno, and the fact that super in the timeline is in between kid buu's death and the tournament uub was introduced. Meaning they couldn't let goku's Universe get erased simply becease that wouldn't have made sense for the end of z, that comes after super.
Also i appsolutely HATE the potara fusion retcon.
I will never forgive super for how the nerfed vegito.
Now they made it look like that vegito had luck to get absorbed in time by super buu in z. And I hate that.
Super super sucks
GT may not be canon however canon doesnt matter much when it comes to QUALITY and people should not over glorify akira as a writter cause he alone was not the sole reason of DBZ success much like butch hartman is not the only person responsible for the fairly odd parents.
Great point!
I never heard from Toriyama it’s not canon.
Gt is Canon
To me, GT's ending is the BEST ending of all Anime, it is the proper ending and a respectful farewell to our most beloved character Goku. Every time I watch the GT's ending I have tears in my eyes; I considered it is the TRUE ending of Dragon Ball.
I guess ending is the only good thing about gt
Dragon Ball GT is not the end, Dragon Ball AF comes after
@@santiagonkm900 its a fan fiction wth u talking about
@@slejszer5100 Yeah but GT isn't canon either
@@santiagonkm900 yes but af is a fan fiction and gt is a official series
I’ve loved GT since I was a child, the first dozen or so episodes are pretty forgettable but from baby saga onwards it’s brilliant, shadow dragon saga especially
YES!
@@MasonTaylor22 the ending is brilliant too. It’s an actual ending which makes sense. When Goku leaves and only Vegeta understands its great.
Nah. Baby saga was good. Super 17 was absolutely horrible. Shadow dragon had a great concept but very poor execution. Then the ending was nice but solely because of db and z. Not because of any events in gt itself
@@leultrainstinct406 I meant it’s good including baby saga (from rildo onwards)
The Baby saga was very good. The dragon saga was ok. The rest of GT was unmitigated trash of the highest order. That long slog of garbage until Baby showed up is unwatchable.
I find it impressive how GT had almost no involvement from Akira and yet managed to be incredible, in Dragon Ball Super it really gives the impression that he was tired and only continued writing because he had to. (Which is still true)
Toriyama didnt have to, he chose to after the failure that was dragon ball evolution.
GT was the one done for money lmao
To me, OG bardock is still canon, and GT is the only sequel
More Riskyforever I like Broly movie
Tyron Wells which one, there are 4
To me gt never happened and will always suck
Nehaal Khalid Super is bad and your salty
@@allen62 gt is bad and your salty