Welcome on board, happy to see more instructors talking about this. Monte Scheinblum has been talking about this for a while. Hope this gets a broader base as it is super beneficial for ALL golfers
Yes I have tried this technic by thinking about the arm on the down SWING. It works like a dream. I successful made used of the gravity to produce a massive head speed. Thank you.
Nicely illustrated. I was surprised when my teacher asked me to "cast from the top" given that so much instruction has gone against that, but Malaska talks about it too. Look forward to watching more of this and playing with it on the range to see how it feels.
As some others have mentioned, Monte Sheinblum, Marcus Edblad, Mike Malaska and Tony Luczak all have great YT channels that are starting to drive home this point. Hands first!! (Is the swing feeling and thought) Thank you for showing the Max Homa clip with TW and JT. It's wild to me those guys picked it up in real time. Good review!
I can’t tell if it contributes to early casting, but what I love about this video is the recommendation to have a flattish lead wrist at the top and start gradually bowing the lead wrist in the downswing. I’ve tried it indoors with a sponge ball and was surprised at how quickly it snaps the club face through impact. I liken it to playing ping pong with my left hand (as a righty) and hitting a backhanded shot with topspin. I’ve tried bowing my lead wrist at the top and didn’t ge the same snap out of the club face, likely because I’m trying to hold the bowed position longer.
I discovered this a few weeks ago and just went along with it, because i gained a lot of distance. Just a tiny wrist extension to start the downswing. I stopped it because i observed that my lower body got very passive.
That’s exactly what happened to me. My correction was to rmbr to hip bump from the top. The Ben Hogan “free ride”. Try that and then “cast” as much and as hard as possible. That’s what fixed me.
Im curious to know, if all things were equal, and the player turned and pulled his arms at the same speed would the club head speed be faster with the wider arc or faster with the massive lag and snap at the ball? Any thoughts or better yet a study or test showing some data?
Who knows. At the end of the day the issue is less about speed and more about control and timing. A big snap will require better timing to square the face.
@@Rotaryswingthanks for the response. I'm aware of the point that you are making in video and I fully agree with you about having better control of the face and low point and I wasn't trying say there was any negative aspects to swinging this way. I was just curious as to whether you would lose a little distance and speed with either type of swing. You may actually gain speed by having a larger arc with this swing thought. Anyway, just curious. I really love the channel and I couldn't agree more with the way you are breaking down the swing these days and going against some of the teaching norms. 👍
100% wider arc and clubhead inside the hands, clubhead travels further so can accelerate more. The lag and snap doesn’t happen in good swings because it suggest you hold the angle, nobody good does this (some may disagree though)
In my opinion this looks like Steve Stricker's swing, little wrist set with a wide casting look from the top. He's done pretty well with this. I'm certainly willing to give it a try. The problem I'm having is when I go to the website to sign up, all I see is the axiom and the C4 stuff which I already have access to. I don't see the 5 part GOAT Code anywhere.
So me not taking divots is not a big deal? I literally flush shots all day and just barely brush the ground. Then I hear "your not making divots somethingis up withypur swing mechanics...!" I tend to take divots more in chip shots? I appreciate you man it's fun to hear some good tips.
I find this discussion fascinating. There are a small number of golf teachers, and a few players, who have been advocating this for some time. Essentially that the hands start the downswing and the body reacts appropriately just as in your throwing demonstration. It appears that reverse engineering the golf swing from video set golf instruction back many years. I feel the same about Ground Reaction forces. They have been around since gravity. You have now joined that small band of teachers ( some on you tube with only a few thousand subscribers) who teach this concept and feel that it’s like brushing water uphill. Just remember that golf instruction on path and face effects was totally wrong until Trackman proved it was just OPPOSITE of what was being taught. Your recognition of what starts the downswing is a “ light bulb moment for you” but in fairness we should should acknowledge the trailblazer instructors who have been preaching this for years, It will be interesting to see , with your higher profile, how much traction this concept gets in mainstream instruction.
@@daviddonofrio3229. Mike Austin, Dalton McCrary, Peter Croker, Don Ross, M. Malaska, Dan Alton . All have different takes but primarily advocate the downswing starts with the hands and is a throw or hit at the ball. While this is their intention, if you check their swings they look conventional with a lower body start to the downswing that is a reaction to their intention to throw or hit from the top. Players who stated similar ideas Harry Vardon and Mark o Meara.
The guy that commented “wide” I don’t see it ! Wow , could he be any blinder ! To that guy , is the club closer to your body or wider to your body ? Hmmm, take a closer look bro … 🤣🤣🤣
The reactionary golf swing. Get the arms and the clubhead moving back in front of the chest before you try to do anything else. The body will move out of the way naturally.
@@sneak-a-leek2135 It means getting your clubface further backwards, in the opposite direction of the target. So if you are holding a big wrist cock, it will be narrow, where as if you are releasing it, it will be wider. On a similar note, depth means further behind the golfer, away from the golf ball.
@@bigglesthwaite No. If you keep your left arm straight but you hinge your wrist real early or take your arm back too low or behind you, you won't have good width.
@@bigglesthwaiteyou can keep your left arm straight but also hinge your right arm too much which will pin your left arm to your chest. Wide would be keeping BOTH arms more straight and in front of your torso ( obviously your right arm does bend, but never past 90 degrees)
I think you’ve taken what Tiger said too literally… telling people to initiate there swing from the top with the hands is an absolute dis- service to someone who doesn’t understand basic fundamentals
It’s true. Look up the AMG guys and how they use 3D data sets on pros to show that they release their wrist angles from the top. You can’t deny the numbers that are presented as they are pure facts. Not some observation or feels
Watch Part 1 of The GOAT Code here: ua-cam.com/video/DXHjobJ20qw/v-deo.html
Welcome on board, happy to see more instructors talking about this. Monte Scheinblum has been talking about this for a while. Hope this gets a broader base as it is super beneficial for ALL golfers
Yes I have tried this technic by thinking about the arm on the down SWING. It works like a dream. I successful made used of the gravity to produce a massive head speed. Thank you.
Nicely illustrated. I was surprised when my teacher asked me to "cast from the top" given that so much instruction has gone against that, but Malaska talks about it too. Look forward to watching more of this and playing with it on the range to see how it feels.
As some others have mentioned, Monte Sheinblum, Marcus Edblad, Mike Malaska and Tony Luczak all have great YT channels that are starting to drive home this point. Hands first!! (Is the swing feeling and thought)
Thank you for showing the Max Homa clip with TW and JT. It's wild to me those guys picked it up in real time. Good review!
And Andrew Emery. One of the best.
Porzak as well
Nice to see Mike Austin get some well-deserved cred! I enjoyed the video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I never liked when Ernie cast back in the day. Whole new perspective on it. Can't wait to hit wedges with this.
I can’t tell if it contributes to early casting, but what I love about this video is the recommendation to have a flattish lead wrist at the top and start gradually bowing the lead wrist in the downswing. I’ve tried it indoors with a sponge ball and was surprised at how quickly it snaps the club face through impact. I liken it to playing ping pong with my left hand (as a righty) and hitting a backhanded shot with topspin. I’ve tried bowing my lead wrist at the top and didn’t ge the same snap out of the club face, likely because I’m trying to hold the bowed position longer.
I discovered this a few weeks ago and just went along with it, because i gained a lot of distance. Just a tiny wrist extension to start the downswing. I stopped it because i observed that my lower body got very passive.
That’s exactly what happened to me. My correction was to rmbr to hip bump from the top. The Ben Hogan “free ride”. Try that and then “cast” as much and as hard as possible. That’s what fixed me.
The beauty of Tiger's 2000 swing is how he he threw the club down to the ball. Nelly Korda does the same.
Yep. Exactly what I teach in the GOAT code. Makes the swing so much simpler
Im curious to know, if all things were equal, and the player turned and pulled his arms at the same speed would the club head speed be faster with the wider arc or faster with the massive lag and snap at the ball? Any thoughts or better yet a study or test showing some data?
Who knows. At the end of the day the issue is less about speed and more about control and timing. A big snap will require better timing to square the face.
@@Rotaryswingthanks for the response. I'm aware of the point that you are making in video and I fully agree with you about having better control of the face and low point and I wasn't trying say there was any negative aspects to swinging this way. I was just curious as to whether you would lose a little distance and speed with either type of swing. You may actually gain speed by having a larger arc with this swing thought. Anyway, just curious. I really love the channel and I couldn't agree more with the way you are breaking down the swing these days and going against some of the teaching norms. 👍
100% wider arc and clubhead inside the hands, clubhead travels further so can accelerate more. The lag and snap doesn’t happen in good swings because it suggest you hold the angle, nobody good does this (some may disagree though)
what do you mean by wide at the top?
Wrist angle, width of hands from head to
Nicklaus said you can't release the club too soon...
Great analysis! Thanks for the upload!
Hope it helps!
In my opinion this looks like Steve Stricker's swing, little wrist set with a wide casting look from the top. He's done pretty well with this. I'm certainly willing to give it a try. The problem I'm having is when I go to the website to sign up, all I see is the axiom and the C4 stuff which I already have access to. I don't see the 5 part GOAT Code anywhere.
Its in the video menu under the goat code
So me not taking divots is not a big deal? I literally flush shots all day and just barely brush the ground. Then I hear "your not making divots somethingis up withypur swing mechanics...!" I tend to take divots more in chip shots? I appreciate you man it's fun to hear some good tips.
Keep flushing it! No need for a divot as Tiger and many others have stated
Justin Thomas is another great example. Not much wrist hinge and clearly has a cast move from the top.
I always wondered how he shallowed the club when his hands are so high from the top. It’s just not possible without casting from the top.
I find this discussion fascinating. There are a small number of golf teachers, and a few players, who have been advocating this for some time. Essentially that the hands start the downswing and the body reacts appropriately just as in your throwing demonstration.
It appears that reverse engineering the golf swing from video set golf instruction back many years. I feel the same about Ground Reaction forces. They have been around since gravity.
You have now joined that small band of teachers ( some on you tube with only a few thousand subscribers) who teach this concept and feel that it’s like brushing water uphill.
Just remember that golf instruction on path and face effects was totally wrong until Trackman proved it was just OPPOSITE of what was being taught. Your recognition of what starts the downswing is a “ light bulb moment for you” but in fairness we should should acknowledge the trailblazer instructors who have been preaching this for years,
It will be interesting to see , with your higher profile, how much traction this concept gets in mainstream instruction.
Who are those other instructors?
@@daviddonofrio3229. Mike Austin, Dalton McCrary, Peter Croker, Don Ross, M. Malaska, Dan Alton . All have different takes but primarily advocate the downswing starts with the hands and is a throw or hit at the ball. While this is their intention, if you check their swings they look conventional with a lower body start to the downswing that is a reaction to their intention to throw or hit from the top. Players who stated similar ideas Harry Vardon and Mark o Meara.
@@daviddonofrio3229 Mike Austin, Dalton Mc Crary, Don Ross, Peter Croker M. Malaska, Dan Alton.
Players Harry Vardon Mark o Meara
Monty Scheinblum has a series on it, he calls it No turn and cast drill. Pretty awesome explanation
You say they are casting from the top,but the club does not look like it has cast when they get to P6. How does that happen?
Covered in detail in the video on the site. Basically this allows your hands to move faster
The guy that commented “wide” I don’t see it ! Wow , could he be any blinder ! To that guy , is the club closer to your body or wider to your body ? Hmmm, take a closer look bro … 🤣🤣🤣
The reactionary golf swing. Get the arms and the clubhead moving back in front of the chest before you try to do anything else. The body will move out of the way naturally.
Hes not really casting, nicklaus talked about it too "impossible to release too early"...rotation will keep the angle
"Wide" is one of the worst words in golf. I see nothing in these videos that makes me see wide.
Exactly. What are they referring to when they utter the word “WIDE/WIDENING”?
@@sneak-a-leek2135 It means getting your clubface further backwards, in the opposite direction of the target. So if you are holding a big wrist cock, it will be narrow, where as if you are releasing it, it will be wider.
On a similar note, depth means further behind the golfer, away from the golf ball.
Is it not just keeping your left arm straight?
@@bigglesthwaite No. If you keep your left arm straight but you hinge your wrist real early or take your arm back too low or behind you, you won't have good width.
@@bigglesthwaiteyou can keep your left arm straight but also hinge your right arm too much which will pin your left arm to your chest. Wide would be keeping BOTH arms more straight and in front of your torso ( obviously your right arm does bend, but never past 90 degrees)
Bryson does the same and he shoots 58 and drives it 380 yards lol
I think you’ve taken what Tiger said too literally… telling people to initiate there swing from the top with the hands is an absolute dis- service to someone who doesn’t understand basic fundamentals
Ha ha casting the club. I guess it depends how you want to define "casting" . What a bunch of BS
It’s true. Look up the AMG guys and how they use 3D data sets on pros to show that they release their wrist angles from the top. You can’t deny the numbers that are presented as they are pure facts. Not some observation or feels
I don't disagree that wrist angle is important .Porzak golf has done some great work on this. But calling it casting is BS
My natural swing absolutely clips the ball. You would never even know I visited your golfcourse. But when I am on I throw darts.