My train DIDN'T EXIST! Zürich to Bologna, an 8 hour odyssey!
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- This week, a train that dosen't exist!
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Date of Travel: February 2022
Class of Travel: 2nd Class
Rolling Stock: Stadler Giruno, Stadler FLIRT and Hitachi Caravaggio
Operator: SBB CFF FFS, FS Trenitalia and Tilo
Service type: Eurocity and Regional Express
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Origin: Zürich HB, Switzerland
Destination: Bologna Centrale, Italy
Cost of Ticket: €45 (£37.60, $45.85)
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No good experience starts with the sentence "It's going to be one of those days" lmao
Just a couple of notes:
-The Zurich-Bologna service was first introduced in December 2021, but was almost immediately suspended due to high covid cases in Italy and low available staff (it was not the only suspended service though, lots of trains got cancelled during December 2021-February 2022). It was later resumed on 28th February 2022.
EDIT I've checked it again and actually it was suspended on 30th January 2022, therefore there were only 4 weeks without this service.
-Trenitalia wound't sell you a high speed ticket from Milan to Bologna because the Zurich-Bologna service is classified as "Eurocity", which is on a lower level than high speed trains, but on the same level of the "Frecciabianca" trains. However, Frecciabianca trains stopped operating between Milan and Bologna in December 2021, and, since Trenitalia must load you on the first available train, they put you on a regional train.
Actually if you can't complete your jorney on the train you have ticket for, and it is not your fault, the service provider is obliged to get you on the train of the same category OR higher so this is BS. they can only offer downgrade the lower category will get you to your destination faster or if there is no other train. And you may still be eligable to partial refund.
@@mancubwwa before accusing others of saying BS check what you're saying. According to Trenitalia if your train has been cancelled you can either ask for a full refund OR to be allowed access to the first available train, and it's always up to Trenitalia to chose what train that will be.
@@marcodamasio Sorry, but the EU law states clearly that you are entiteled to contineu your journey under comparable conditions. So Trenitalia can brag what they want, but such case (downgrade when comparable service is available) would not stand in court and they (probably) know it. They just push it hoping people will easily accept it, because they are tired, distressed and don't know their rights.
@@mancubwwa bring Trenitalia in court then
@@mancubwwa jokes aside, the EU regulation states the same exact words Trenitalia reports:
"Article 16 - Reimbursement and re-routing
Where it is reasonably to be expected that the delay in the arrival at the final destination under the transport contract will be more than 60 minutes, the passenger shall immediately have the choice between:
(a) reimbursement of the full cost of the ticket, under the conditions by which it was paid, for the part or parts of his or her journey not made and for the part or parts already made if the journey is no longer serving any purpose in relation to the passenger’s original travel plan, together with, when relevant, a return service to the first point of departure at the earliest opportunity. The payment of the reimbursement shall be made under the same conditions as the payment for compensation referred to in Article 17; or
(b) [the selected option] continuation or re-routing, under comparable transport conditions, to the final destination at the earliest opportunity; or
(c) continuation or re-routing, under comparable transport conditions, to the final destination at a later date at the passenger’s convenience."
There's no detail about whether the replacing train has to be on a higher level of the replaced one.
Nobody has commented about it, but the reason the staff was yelling and "being rude" at the Milano Centrale station is because there was a risk of the glass ceiling falling down.
You were probably distracted and didn't notice the warning signs and that guy simply scolded you saying you could have died and got you moving in the right direction
Ah Trenitalia. Got stuck in Venice once, when I turned up for a sleeper train to Munich at midnight to an empty SMN station, only to find out there was a National train strike that night. There were no announcements or signs during the day warning passengers.
Having to go from one train to three must have been a real shock, especially when the third train was a downgrade. I think you took it rather well and in good spirits. The 22 car train was impressive as was the Swiss scenery. A trip to remember, to be sure.
I had a journey with 5 Trains instead of 2 because of Deutche Bahn
If that cancellation had occurred on an Australian long distance train you would have had 12 hours plus on a bloody bus! You're very lucky there were other trains available on that route
I travelled between Basel and Bologna earlier this week by train, and it almost went entirely ok save for a delay which was then recovered. And one person travelling next to us had his train cancelled and was told by the railway company to board our train but the Italian train manager, who joined after crossing the border, forced him to pay 66 euro between chiasso and Milan
Incredible scenery! You're so blessed to get to travel to these beautiful places.
I live there
Seeing the Rock trains reminded me of my trip to visit a friend near Bologna, and to get around I mostly took those trains. Many of them are used on routes to and from the sea to the east of Bologna so every single one was completely rammed, kinda what you expect on those services in the middle of summer.
I just discovered your channel because of the Belgian train video last week and I have to say: your content is amazing, high quality and super entertaining!
If you keep this up, I'm sure you're gonna double your amount of subscribers is no time.
Thank you for a most interesting video. I’m surprised you didn’t receive a clearer explanation for the cancellation of the SBB Giruna running through to Milan at least. The Giruna is a superb train, and having ridden on several on the service to Lugano - all of which continued to Milan, I am very surprised at your experience !
Normally, one of the two 11 coach Girunos continue on to Milano. It is the same with the RABe 503/ETR610.
The Austrian „Westbahn“ Trains also do have urinals (at least they had in the old Trainsets, they recently changed to new ones, dont know if the still have)
It happened to me too. Trains that suddenly don’t exist any more. For the first time, a trip from Lausanne to Rome involves a long ride to Milano and late arrival in Rome. To avoid many changes of trains, I now have to book a trip from Lausanne to Zurich and take the train to Milano the next day and continue to Rome.
The Rhone/Simplon route was affected in the same manner as the Luzern/Gotthard route. Normally, you could still take a train to Domodossola, which was the end of domestic SBB traffic and switch to Trenitalia for the rest of the run.
The smart move that I would recommend is to travel to either Arth-Goldau (Gotthard) or Brig (Simplon) as both stations offer connections to trains from different routes. Arth-Goldau for the Basel-Ticino and Zurich-Ticino traffic and Brig for traffic from Lausanne or from Bern (Lotschberg).
Thank you for this trip report. We’re planning this same route in December (First time in either country!) and now I’m a little nervous as we really wanted to this in one leg. I hope to have your same positive attitude!
As I mentioned above, if you make your connections at Arth-Goldau or Brig*, you will access to trains coming from two different routes, which may include more options than are available only at Zurich or Luzern, Bern* or Lausanne*.
This reminds me of several different journeys I've taken in Spain. Because of the multiple different brands of AVE, you never know if you're getting "proper" high speed, or "high-speed-for-a-regional-train-that-stops-everywhere". What should be a relatively short and straightforward journey between Valencia or Barcelona to the festival in Benicassim has often been anything but!
Hope you stop by Denmark at some point. You need to try the scandalous IC4 units before they are taken out of service. If you liked the interior of the SBB Stadler, you're gonna love the IC4 interior.
Copenhagen's central station is also amazing, such a moody atmosphere with the oxblood paint over the iron arches and the yellow orange lights. Amazing station
Giruno is actually the name given by SBB to those new high speed trains, with the design name given by Stadler being the SMILE (yes another weird and wonderful naming by Stadler). I wonder how good they actually ride, this being the first low floor high speed train (at least in Europe)?
Great video :)
I've been on them, and can say that they ride pretty well (although that probably has at least a bit to do with SBB and RFI's maintenance of way) and are by all means excellent trains
I've heard good things about them. But at the same time they aren't really the first low floor high speed trains in Europe, I mean Spain has used Low floor high speed talgo trains on their high speed routes for some 15 years now
From my experience the ride quality is really good, especially in comparison to the Twindexx from Bombardier
@@Kletterhaus The twindexx was not that bad.
I waved to my Sister and her Husband as you passed through Zug ☺️. I haven’t seen them in 5 years ☹️ since I’m in America. She tells me that her neighbors all all sick with Covid. 😷
Make sure to check with your ticketing office about options other than Trenitalia. You may be able to travel by Italo between Milano and Bologna. Also specifically ask about Frecciarossa and other services of TI (Trenitalia).
Ah brings back memories, spent a week touring Switzerland by train, managed to get "community tickets" unlimited travel for 40 SFR per day! Beautiful country and stunning trains. If you ever go to Lucerne, go to transport museum there if you get chance...
Weird is also..that SBB giruno (if they don't get cancelled) and TGV are not allowed on Italian high speed tracks and Milano Centrale (prob.too full)
tbf Milano Porta Garibaldi (where Giruno and TGV end their journey) isn't that much distant from Milano Centrale, and is reachable by metro, bus or even walk (if you're not in a hurry)
3 Trains instead of 1? wow, that's very ... Green 😛
I guess a Breath of Fresh Air, which adds Travel time... 50/50
Really enjoyed this video 😃 Your missus is lucky getting to travel to all these spectacular locations with you haha 😁
I did faced a similar experience as well. I booked a direct TGV Lyria service from Paris Gare de Lyon to Zürich Hauptbahnhof. But then the train I supposed to board was cancelled due to technical issue. So I had to rebook TGV Inoui service to Mulhouse, TER Grand Est to Basel SBB before catching SBB IR37 service to Zürich Hauptbahnhof. Making thing worse, the TER service was also delayed due to police were called to remove an unruly passenger out of the train.
Hello Dylan, as always a great video. As far as i know, some of the dutch VIRM trains had urinals in the toilet. Greetings from Eygelshoven (Netherlands), Ralf
Nice to see some Swiss scenery again after just having returned from Switzerland yesterday. Been on one of those Giruno units myself as well and despite them having a good ride quality and decent comfort, the first class seats did appear a bit hard to me.
Train services getting cut back is always sad but even more sad when it's a cross border service.
Great video. I did a self planned Swiss Rail tour back in Feb 2020 from Manchester via the Channel Tunnel, Paris and Chamonix before spending 7 days riding all over Switzerland both mountains and valleys. On this route I took a local train on the old route to see more the scenery and passing through the old tunnel. Next visit I will take the base tunnel. I was delayed on the way home via Koln and Amsterdam due to a huge storm that cancelled all the trains so I had to take Flix bus for some of it and I arrived nearly 21 hours late!
That journey sure took some unexpected turns but the video as always was excellent. I will be in Zurich for the first time next April so seeing the station and the train out of Zurich was exciting.
whow ,,,, what spectacular views, well done dylan and partner. brian d.
Such beautiful scenery. 😍 Keep up the good work. 👌
It's always fun to watch your videos! Thanks for another great one!
sorry. I watched this morning & forgot to comment. That was one long, hard journey. The scenery was beautiful, but the 3 train transfer was awful. I am always impressed by the gorgeous trains you have in Europe. Your worst still puts America to shame. My worst travelling problems were when I went to Boston for my uncles funeral. A freak summer storm shut the airlines down & I was stranded overnight in Logan airport. Afraid to sleep for fear I'd miss early morning connections was my worst experience. Hope it's clear sailing from here on out.
I love how the original High Speed Train was cancelled (or cut short depending on how you want to look at it) due to a lack of demand but they still lay on a 22 coach monster.
Hi Dylan Drive on Dec. 2022 with the brandnew Waldenburgerbahn in Switzerland 😉
In 2016 I was going to Carlisle and I was meant to be going to Preston on a 185 which was on northern the driver walked off and it got cancelled at Manchester Oxford Road
It’s my nightmare come true beginning the day to travel anywhere and the means of travel is totally different from what you booked, when everything is on time and every connection fits then it’s bliss, happened to me in Germany a few years ago but with a lot of good will from DB everything was solved and we ended up getting high speed instead of regional trains
Delays and cancellations are all part of travel, unavoidable. Go with the flow, nothing you can do to avoid them, so why worry? Just enjoy the ride! Looked like a fun trip, and the trains themselves perfectly fine - would love to do that myself sometime. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the really interesting video - with 3 reviews for the price of one 😀
Yes finally a Swiss train again. The Giruno is such a lovely train to ride
I recently travels from Amsterdam to Zürich via Frankfurt with DBs ICE trains. however out of the 2 scheduled trains 4 where late. this is because the first train (Amsterdam-Frankfurt) only took me to Düsseldorf. I arrived there with 20min delay and had to find a connecting train to Frankfurt, this train arrived with 10min Delay in Frankfurt.
The second train (Frankfurt-Zürich) then canceled halfway thru the journey the last two Stops (Basel SBB and Zürich HB) and I had to change in Basel Bad Bf with a 20min delay. and because the entire ICE had to use the regional train, the train had a 5min Delay in Basel SBB. there I had to change to an Inter Regio to Zürich HB)
I once had a train cancelled from Fort Worth to Chicago due to flooding of the Mississippi River south of St. Louis, so changed directions and went to Los Angeles instead. Amtrak wanted to fly us, but with my inner ear problems, I NEVER fly. Nor do I wish to wait a few days for the flooding of the mighty Mississippi River to subside...
Well Dylan, I really loved the Swiss bit- absolutely stunning scenery and a great train. But. oh dear, the Italian side went right down the toilet from when you crossed the border. Looks like the border police and the authorised thugs at Milano went to the same "How NOT to look after the customer" school conducted by the ghost of Mussolini. As my paternal ancestry hails from the Como area, I was looking forward to that part of the journey. Stadler really make great trains and I was quite impressed with the interiors of all three trains you sampled, despite the hard seats on one. I do hope you get to show the reverse journey from Milano back towards Lugarno one day (If you haven't already got this in your UA-cam library). Thanks for sharing your experiences with us and I do hope you and your lady friend continue to enjoy sharing your travels with us. Cheers from downunder in chilly Melbourne.
jealous of Italy?
brilliant train review dylan mate the interia is great i love it lots
A few weeks ago, I missed my Amtrak Train because the connection bus was severely delayed by over two hours. It was awful, because of it, I had to take a commuter train to my final destination. Although Amtrak is very helpful, the people at the ticket office weren't too keen on rescheduling for the evening train, because of the commuter train service that goes to the same destination as the Amtrak train I was supposed to catch. But I was lucky that it was a weekday and the commuter train service was being ran that day. The commuter trains don't run on weekends.
But yeah, it sucks when the train you were scheduled to take get canceled or delayed to the point of missing a connection. But in the case with me, the connection bus was delayed and the train left on schedule.
I guess the good thing is, I didn't end up having to be at the major station for 3 hours and got home much earlier.
Great vedio
Your presentation is just awesome.love from india goa
I wonder if anyone has done a sociological study to explain why until late 20th Century a lot of the seating on European trains was in compartments, and now have a large share of seats where one faces another. By contrast in the US going way back almost all seating cars ( coaches in US ) have what reviewers call airline seating, where one never faces a stranger.
There is a video about XJ2000 and ICE1 tests in USA where people say that Americans aren't comfortable with facing others during travel, they feel dangerous
@@qbel4255 That's interesting, thinking about how strangers talk to each other in the US.
The Airline Seating feels overstuffed. Compartements were not in use in Switzerland for the last 60 Years. Some minor exceptions not really counting.
A stop in Lugano is an added value to any trip.
Re. Delays and cancellations, I once went overland in a day from Berlin to Manchester. Within 30 mins of leaving Berlin encountered a delay which eventually meant missing onward connection from Cologne. With time now critical resulted to further local in the absolute middle of nowhere to get to Brussels as soon as possible and eventually onward connection to London and Manchester. Frankly loved the variety….ICE, Eurostar and Pendelino can all feel quite similar
what a sad trip.. despite the great views. It's a shame.. you need a better connecting train!! Be safe!
The Giruno actually can get the top speed of 250 kmh in the gotthard base tunnel especially when it has to minimise a delay from italy haha
Lovely video. I love train travel in Italy.
Sorry to see delays and cancellations are not the exclusive province of the airlines.
Glad you got there in the end. Replacement trains are always slower and less comfortable.
I wish that LNER had gone with Stadler rather than Hitachi as the Girunos look a million times nicer than the Azumas
I've just been using the Rock trains between Verona and Venice. They're pretty good for a regional train, and I love the design, but the air conditioning was rather strong and we all felt cold sitting in them in the height of the summer.
The newer stock on the narrow guage Rhätische Bahn out of Chur and serving the Engadin region also has urinals.
The worst train trip I've had is when I was going to visit my Grandparents who lives about 200 km away, in Katrineholm, Sweden. I was going to switch trains I Karlstad, Sweden to a train bound for Stockholm since the trains for Oslo was cancelled due to Covid. The first train (which was a Värmlandstrafik train btw) got canceled and replaces by bus. I ended up about an hour late to Karlstad C, which lead to me missing my connecting train and having to wait about 5 hours for the next train. On top of that my phone was low on battery, but I luckily had my charger!
Also Värmlandstrafik refused to pay back my SJ ticket, which made me kinda mad
I don't understand why the Zurich office was not able to book your place on the final segment of the trip. Normally, they can issue tickets for travel on any scheduled train. Additionally, taking the train all the way to Chiasso might have opened up additional options for travel in Italy other than the SBB-FS Tilo one, as the Trenitalia High Speed offerings may have been running from the border.
I also recommend that travellers who are not pressed for time take one of the trains which run on the original route, as the scenery is much more impressive than the tunnel.
That said, thanks for the video.
I was once on a train from Howden to York when in Selby the conductor told everyone to get off at Selby, but some people remained on the train even after we had Al got off, so we had to get another train from Selby to York (a pacer) and when we arrived in York we saw our original train and the people who didn't get off in Selby were getting off in York
Great trip report Dylan
My return trip from Prag last year was epic
I’ve never (knock wood) had an issue with train or plane here in America, but do feel you about those in charge yelling at travelers. A conductor on an Empire train either departing from Albany to NYC or returning from NYC to Albany, NY really wanted us to be sure we were not hogging seats unnecessarily (bags, legs or suitcases). Seinfeld’s Soup Nazi, may have had nothing on this conductor.
They must've severely relaxed the border patrol in Chiasso since February then. Went there for a football game after the Italy vs England game in September and not one person was there, either at Milan, Chiasso or in between to check my passport or whatever, shame I never got the time to explore the town, but it looked really nice. But all I found about the Italian trains that it's hectic as hell, and late trains seem to be few and far between...
What a great relay trip.
I suppose the silver lining is there was no replacement bus service...😁
On the time you Record your Trip, all Eurocity Trains bound for Italy (Milano, Bologna, Genova P.P) are only going to Chiasso because the Covid-19 in Italy was bad
Lake Zurich is name of a Suburb of Chicago in Illinois in the United States
Loved the tram ride though 👀
Great video as always. Lovely views
I do like the impressive signal box(?) over the railway lines at Milan and I also see Bologna has one too. It must be an Italian one design fits all job.
Those haven't been in use since forever
I thought you would drive first the traveso train tho one in brown 🤣
I agree that the scenery was beautiful!
I have Swiss cousins. They have national holidays that coincide with skiing season, thus the skiing capable luggage racks.
Dylan, you should try Vienna - Bucharest, EN347 Dacia. It could be fun, I was on the train last week and for a 07:50 minutes journey it has 6 hours delay 😂.
Excellent video again. 👍👍
you should try greece's new ETR 470 cialspino that recently got into service!
I love how everyone is talking about their bad experiences🤣 so I'm gonna do the same:
Was traveling from Aix les Bains in the French Alps to Brest via Lyon Part Rieu, Rennes and Saint Brieuc, and most are regional trains except from Lyon to Rennes which was served by a Euroduplex of TGV inOui, and about 1h from the destination, the LGV atlantique basically had issues and all the trains on it including mine, was delayed, so ended up with 1h30min delay and missed my next trains, but luckily did hop on the next one and since my stop at Saint Brieuc was quite long, at about 2h, I took the train that was going to Saint Brieuc 1h after and so ended up arriving at Brest on time
Super pity they didn't put you on the highspeed train. If they would, you'd stop at Reggio Emilia AV(Reggio Emilia Highspeed) station which looks absolutely amazing too!
in italy we have 2 differet line one for hs and the other is the normal, regional trains don't transito on hs circuit due to voltage alimentation, but hs train can run in the regular line.
That first train was stunning, probably the best I have seen.
Great value trip if you think of euros per hour!
I have been on a long train journey that took 8 hours and it was worth it.
Interesting video and you can always depend on you for a ‘bog standard’ toilet review…
Your videos are good
Amazing
The Rock Units are really nice trains
Your Train has a Priority over the S1 S-Bahn Baar Luzern Sursee via Zug. The Gotthard Base Tunnel has a Max Speed of 250 kmh to which the Rabe 503 tilting train was designed for including the curvy sections on the Gotthard bahn. On the earlier part at Zürich Hb you got an ETCS Balise because Switzerland replaced the ZUB121 122 Integra Signum with ETCS Level 1. Excellent Trip Dylan. At Arth Goldau the upper platforms is for the Rack Railway.
LOL, everyone all obediently masked up, with the exception of the young woman smoking a ciggie on the platform at 21:19. Whats all that about !
Goodness, this happened to me once but even worse. I was supposed to be going on a direct LNER train from London to Darlington taking about 2hrs 30, well it was cancelled because of a train fault. I wasn't unhappy as apparently it was out of LNER's control, and I was transferred to the next train to Darlington, which took about an hour longer (Stopped more and longer wait at KX ovs) but then more problems as the train was supposed to swap drivers at York but the second driver was ill so the train had to terminate at York. This only came to our attention at Newark North gate so i frantically tried to book another train to take me to Darlington. The first train I could book was a cross-country train that would leave about 5 mins connection at Darlington to a Northern train to take me to Saltburn. After getting on the XC voyager it was delayed and I missed my connection at Darlington and had to wait. Not a good day!
Why didn't they book on a fast service to Bologna ? They probably looked at the first available option and nothing else ?
They did, IT DIDNT EXIST FRIENDO
How you managed to pay only 45 euros. I am really interested about this information.
For Milano to Locarno with Tilo I paid 20 euros, which in comparison with 45 you paid from Zurich to Bologna it feels a lot.
"Bog standard toilet" (groan!)
enjoyed. thank you
Not a train, but a flight from JFK to LAX with a 60 minute connection to head up to Seattle (American Airlines, then Alaska Airlines), we push back from the gate, and one of the engines didn’t start. 30 minute delay because someone forgot to plug something back in during routine maintenance. Fine. Horrible flight as the headphone jacks in all the seats on my side of the plane didn’t work (this was over 10 years ago before smartphones were everywhere). We land, I’ve still got 30 minutes to take the airside buses to a different terminal… we stop just before the gate…and nothing happens. 5 minutes later a very panicked flight attendant comes on, “There’s BEES outside teh plane, we can’t open the door!” I look out my window and see, 1 bee. Another 10 minutes, we’re being towed around to the other side of that terminal with the hope that the bees don’t follow us. ANOTHER 10 minutes we finally open the doors, by the time I’m in the American terminal, my connection was gone. It took me only 20 minutes to get to the Alaska terminal (and it was actually 2 busses), found an airline desk and they were nice enough to put me on the flight 2 hours later. Got into my hotel late, explained the bad day I was having, and the night clerk quietly upgraded my room to a small suite! Flew Delta back to JFK direct, swore to only use connections if there was no direct flight, and also never flew American again (it was the last of many issues with them.)
If you're still in continental europe, try moving from south to north Germany, using only local/regional trains (using the 9€-ticket. That'll be a mess
Excellent video even if it was a bit of a disappointment to you. Hauptbahnhof is Main Station and which is not always that central to a particular town or city! I was a little surprised to hear “a.m.” when starting from Zurich. Even in the land that time forgot the 24 hour clock was adopted by the railways in 1964. Americanism?
The building you can see on the other side of the old Gotthard line at 13:21 is the control centre for the Gotthard Base Tunnel.
BZ Pollegio
@@der_eisenbahnfotograf2089 Yes, responsible for the entire Gotthard route from Arth-Goldau to the Italian border. I see they are offering guided tours on the weekend of 22-23 October, but only in Italian 😞
I really hope inter-european trail travel will improve in the future
1:19 Maybe not the finest idea to cross for red light *WHEN* filming
Westbahn units, and now the ex Westbahn trains on the DB IC Dresden Rostock via Berlin have have urinals. Weird!