Jordan Peterson: Men Going Their Own Way
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Jordan Peterson talks in this compilation video about Men Going Their Own Way and how they often don't know what to do with unreasonable members of the opposite sex. ORDER Peterson's NEW book & audiobook Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for life amzn.to/33uho7H Australian's click here for Beyond Order: amzn.to/3qfSxOI
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MGTOW has worked for me for over 20 years. Not planning to live my life any other way.
G G Couldn't agree more when I see an attractive woman I just know she has some hidden issues. It's like winning the lottery but you don't know how best to spend all that money and every day you lose it more so you go a bit crazy worrying over what could have it bean.
Early in this Peterson saying that since thousands of women have signaled to me with shaken keys two seconds after first laying eyes on me that they thought I was something I've never done.
I have never raped.
Peterson saying who should be believed: thousands of women, or TAR ICO? These women didn't see me doing something I've never done; they saw a low-income guy with a very skinny wallet, and they've been brainwashed that men with money will never rape them, and a man without money will rape them.
Biaggiotti - off subject. Are you related to Piero Biaggiotti? Married to Marcella. Yours is the only time I’ve seen the family name besides his. Last I know he lived in Montreal in the ‘80’s.
M Halvaresh, you obviously haven't got a clue on the real marital situation when it comes to separation, you must be one of the lucky 50%...not only you haven't got a clue about this subject, but your an idiot for thinking that men are to blame when in actual fact women are more likely to start divorce proceedings in the first place...Yes my 3 children are wondering around lost and their lives changed forever only because their mother chose this path, then the 'child sex abuse' is mentioned in Court and a father can't see his children anymore...wake up, stand in a family law court for one day and see for yourself...sadly I truly think the family unit in Western Civilization has been dealt a 'death blow' by the one sided family law...no bitterness, no regrets, no violence, just walk away and enjoy life best you can and never be a victim, MGTOW is the only way
Anything works when you only have one perspective
Yes, Dr. Peterson. There's always a reason behind everything. One shouldn't judge people on facts alone. Knowing the "why" is just as important as knowing the "what".
150,000 MGTOW"S?.....try 150 million and growing!! The vast majority aren't commenting on youtube.
There are many many comments on MGTOW videos by men who say they were MGTOW before they knew it had a name... and that there are actually other men who thought they way they did.
OU812 i4got I don’t think he meant 150000 mgtows. I think he meant 150000 people who hear him be they mgtow or no that hear his grandeur and think that’s exactly what he thinks.
149.5 million live the MGTOW lifestyle and don't care for the acronym. Being under the radar is a strong point of MGTOW.
the silent majority is a ratio we do not yet understand.
@Abdikadir Abdiwahid depends on the individual. honestly I am not. and I could not be turned on by them if I tried. can't pretend to be when you are not.
I knew a guy who was very happy when his ex-wife died. It meant he would be able to retire. His divorce agreement gave half his pension and half his 401K to his ex-wife. He couldn't retire on half and was going to just work until he dropped dead. He retired a year later.
@Ultra Instinkt Pretty gay, bro.
@@1986jamesa I would say the same about you. Most likely closet gay
@Kawhi's burner account Being smart like you are is hard... But it's still a lot better than being stupid. So congrats! $tay the cour$e and protect your re$ources! 🗽🗽🗽
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@@hirondelle8734 no? using their own ammunition against them, check the rest of the comments.
Would you gamble your life savings in a casino that's renowned for being crooked? I think it's an intelligent idea to avoid a system that's rigged against you.
It really seems to me that most men who become MGTOW really do it out of insecurity and fear, and I refuse to live my life as an insecure and fearing person. A lot of MGTOWs bring up the family court system constantly, and they blame the system and women for them losing, but how is that? I'd like to know.
TheSaderV because all it takes is one experience to change your life for the negative. Losing half of everything you own, most of your income, and essentially many freedoms to serve a system and a gender that feels entitled to fleece you.
Why don't you go ahead and take the plunge and tell us how you feel after it happens to you?
Myself, I think I'll wait until they change the laws governing no-fault divorce. Then the courts need to stop favoring women on top of it.
Hmm, I see. Divorce is scary and marriage is a big risk in the legal sense. Men do lose a lot, but maybe men aren't being careful enough about who they marry? Also, it seems rather drastic to remove women from your sphere of life altogether. Paranoid even. That amount of insecurity really rubs me the wrong way. Not only that, I also get the impression that a lot of MGTOWs think divorce happens purely out of malicious intent.
My biggest issue with MGTOWs is that a lot of them seem really bitter, and they spend time around and in groups with other MGTOWs. Whenever I see a comments section with an excessive amount of MGTOWs like this one, toxicity just wafts out of my computer screen, and I just don't think it's healthy to be associating with a group so down in the dumps.
Just seems to me like brooding about with other negative people is more harmful than getting back up and putting yourself back out there. Do MGOTWs just admit defeat in the face of women and the system?
I'd equate MGTOW to an echo chamber type of situation where these mens' pain and anger is only reinforced and not mitigated. It's because of this I question MGTOWs and how healthy their mindspace is. That's my only real speculation on the matter.
Also this is not an argument, I just want some insider perspective.
"Men do lose a lot, but maybe men aren't being careful enough about who they marry?"
I lose a lot of my time by working, but I earn a salary. I lost 4 years of my life getting a degree, but that piece of paper lets me work a job I love. Having something to lose isn't the issue. The problem is what do I gain in exchange for those sacrifices. What is the reward associated with the risk? When I ask myself those questions, honestly, all I can say is that marriage has zero benefits for a man yet carries huge risks. How careful do I need to be in selecting a wife to start seeing the rewards of marriage?
I date women, but I won't move in with a woman. I always wear a condom no matter what she says.
Forget about labels like MGTOW. Just look at a relationship like you would applying for a job, or buying a house. Consider the risks and the rewards and make your choice. Accept responsibility for your choices and learn from your mistakes. If someone wants to be left alone, respect their decision instead of calling them paranoid. We don't know what people have been through, and it's not our place to judge others.
Well, I can't explain the benefits of marriage without going into, what I feel would be to you, some wishy washy monologue about another person being able to bring out your full potential or inspiring some change you wouldn't have done otherwise if you ever tried to do it for yourself. I don't know enough about how an increase in married couples with long lasting relationships could improve society or anything like that, but I'd like to think there is some.
Men have gotten it hard from third wave feminism in recent years and a divide has been growing between men and women as a result, but I think the worst thing to do for repair is to cut the cord on forming long lasting relationships.
"We don't know what people have been through, and it's not our place to judge others."
I've heard this throughout my life, but here I question it. Where would we be as a civilization if we did not judge people thoughts and ideas and try to differentiate them as right or wrong despite whatever tragic circumstances? It doesn't seem to me that MGTOWs want to be left alone, they want to run away and hide from the big scary world they live in. Don't get me wrong, I understand where they're coming from.
Well, I won't linger here and spam. One thing I hate to do is spend too much time in UA-cam comments section, and it seems you've all got your minds made up, anyway. Cheers~
I’m a pathetic weasel! If somebody stronger than me wants to beat me up and steal my money I turn and run......very weasel like!
jesperFrost .. no it's self preservation!
J Hogue exactly that’s the hole point!
survival it its own nature!!
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This is wat makes this man so great, he can change his mind and say he was wrong about something.
He isn't right about everything but, at least he's putting it out there. I don't agree with him on this one but I respect his position. Most MGTOW I know, haven't "sworn off" all women, we just haven't made 'finding' one a major part of our lives. Yes, some have come out of really horrible relationships but there is a lot of truth to the legal system bias and other issues that typically penalize men. We could look at custody, child support, alimony and other statistics to prove as much.
So men are being more cautious and yes, some are swearing off the whole damned thing but there are valid reasons for that too.
The crazy harpy sisters are way too prevalent in our world. Both my sons have experienced these beasts. Impossible to deal with. Tyrants
and i thank you for NOT being one of these typical dumb bitches
@Miss. Emery possibly, anything is possible, however unlikely. Your name calling insult laden tirade of a comment, has no basis in objective fact, but rather, are the fact free imaginings and ravings of a conspiratorial and seemingly warped mind...really toxic comment; based on zero facts and 100% the evil that is in your own heart, mind, and mouth. Since, you can't possibly know any factual basis, in this case, on which to base such an extreme comment on...better to throw out that trash comment and see if you can manage to produce something; based on what you can actually know for certain, is factual. Since, you don't have a verifiable factual basis for your comment(only your own suspicions or imaginings), your comment is almost certainly false and since your premise, is almost certainly false, your conclusion; upon which you base your profane and extremely nasty comment, almost certainly, is madness.
Huge respect for Dr Peterson. I wish I was 10% of the man he is. But MGTOW is not about women at all. Women don't come in the picture at all. MGTOW is about you and your personal and financial development..
I beg to differ. The largest public community of MGTOW right now is their subreddit. Go take a look at the subreddit and observe the rhetoric of these men. It’s ALL about women - much of it incel-like hatred of them, as a matter of fact.
You can say what MGTOW is “about” all day long, but people are going to by what these guys are actually saying and doing, not the proposed abstract tenets of their ideology.
As a MGTOW, I can assure you of a few things:
1. Very few of us came to be MGTOW by observation and reasoning alone. Even I, who mostly drifted away from the amount of work getting and keeping a relationship requires had to be pushed by one or two painful experiences. For most men, it requires a huge deal of pain to adopt this set of ideas.
2. Whether or not you come to MGTOW through observation / reasoning / trauma, the idea your previous worldview was a lie is itself immensely painful. The reaction to this is commonly referred to as "Red Pill Rage". It includes indignation and anger toward female nature, not because of female nature itself, but because said female nature was obfuscated from them. And because other men who are still plugged to the matrix amplify the female nature's destructive power.
Men don't fear women. They fear the sway women have over other men.
3. Men and women suffering from indignation, pain, a feeling of betrayal and other symptoms of having a comforting delusion destroyed are more vocal than people who have accepted reality for what it is. Especially if the communication mean is simple and easy to use (compared to say, a well-made and well-rehearsed UA-cam video). So OF COURSE the sub-reddit has a lot more angry, impulsive comments.
*I don't blame you for getting the idea that MGTOW is a hatred of women from the sub-reddit. And frankly, it doesn't matter even if it IS the case:*
Whether MGTOW exist or not, whether MGTOW becomes a public target or not, whether MGTOW becomes reason enough to shame and ridicule celibate men or not, whether the MGTOW becomes a terrorist group or not, *marriage is a bad deal and men are going Galt.* So, as a society, take MGTOW as a warning and correct course...
or not.
Now that's just a lie. Look at all the popular MGTOW channels and then tell me again how not every video is about women.
It should be about empowering men but unfortunately it has turned into a blind hatred for women with only a small amount of men thinking that way.. I respect those a lot.
JohnnY SagE
Shit that should've been adressed in middle school.
Jamie Jameson
I agree, there are many angry men out there, and many exude hatred of women, but it is a process derived from their "Red Pill Rage". A rage that comes from a family court system that rips a father from his family & home. 70% of divorces are filed by women.
The Red Pill & Divorce Corp documentaries pretty much covers it all.
I had the red pill shoved down my throat as I was forced from my home & family. I am MGTOW, but don't hate women, but will never re-marry given our social-legal structure (in the US, as well as most countries).
MGTOW just means going my own way vs societal norms. It's wisely avoiding bad policy & bad women.
Same as going Galt, which wasn't/isn't about women or relationships.
This interview is old. Peterson's view on MGTOW has changed since then. More importantly he had the balls to apologize when he was wrong about MGTOW.
Once again Peterson did not apologize he said he regret having called MGTOW "pathetic weasels". That is not an aoplogy in my book.
It wasn't balls Juden Peterstein has set up a money making machine and he went into damage control to protect that machine. Juden Peterstein is not what people hoped he was.
@Lone Wolf He's either too chicken shit to touch them or he's a schill for them and watching him repeatedly duck the Solzhenitsyn "200 years together" thing knowing someone handed him an English copy of that book, he just about makes me sick.
@@nettrucker he stated that the movement has its own points. He's reconsidering his own words and discussing again. He explicitly said he regret some of his words. Now after all these steps in your favor, you still want to hang on the strict definition of what an apology is? Geez u sound like a low value woman who wants the moon
@@marcobistagnino8713 Go cry me a river! Have a nice day.
After going through vindictive abortions, sad divorce, false allegations, and feminist mother and job loss to under qualified women because company needed more women to appear PC. I gave up the social act. Threw out romance and dreams of a happy family. MGTOW is peace.
Let this sick godless gynocentric society collapse.
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Mgtow and 3rd wave feminism are not the same. Men are not having men marches a or ruining the boy scrouts. Opting out and destroying are different.
No you are just ruining the family and children of those families... just like the fembots...
KikyaBear women started ruining the family with no fault divorce. Around 80%of marriages end in divorce with 95% of those filed by women. So how is mgtow ruining family? They just keeping their money instead of giving it away.
ok, woman-hater off the bat... not a good start with a conversation. WOMEN did not create the no fault divorce, people were making up reasons to get out of marriages LONG before the no fault divorce was in play. Including the man and a fictional mistress would be walked in on by the woman so that they could have grounds for a divorce. People were making up reasons left and right to get out of marriages, men and women. Also the birth control pill had a huge rippling effect (a man created the birth control pill btw) on the need for marriages, as now women could control the reproduction and no longer needed to a man to provide for the children. So don't blame marriages falling apart on women. It's society (as in MEN AND WOMEN) as a whole, we are less dependent on each other to survive day to day so marriages are not as critical for life as they once were. So stop blaming your problems on someone else and be a man for once in your life...
KikyaBear wow, so stating facts is woman hating now. I have no problems. I got my house and custody of my child in the 90s. Which is still rare. Women have always had control in making of children. They choose not the male. The pill along with countless other things were invented for women by their request. No one forces birth control on anyone. Women and men have cheated on one another since the dawn of time. Society has never changed as fast as it has since no fault divorce in the history of the planet. Why do you think marriage is so bad now? Even gays are begging for it. Take away affirmative action and welfare then see what happens.
It's not a "fact" that you are stating, it's a poorly formed opinion. AGAIN, the no fault divorce was "invented" at the behest of the people trying to get divorces and lying under oath to get out of them. Men and women, do your research before you spin wild tales. Also, the birth control pill was invented in the 1950s first BEFORE the divorce rates starting spiking and the no fault divorce was in play (in the 1970s)... So your "facts" are WAY out of order and don't make any sense what so ever. I made a comment before on this page about what came first the single mother or the deadbeat dad? Answer: Neither, the birth control pill and the welfare state came first.... FIX the welfare state, fix the sexual irresponsibility and you fix the problem. But hating on women because of whatever your reasons is utter nonsense and is likely to kill off all of mankind. BOTH men and women who allowed this state to happen or actively fought for it are to blame. Including pathetic beta males that allow women to mistreat them and wonder why they got the short end of the stick...
Not all woman are bad. That's true. I estimate 2 out of 10 woman are fine. The other 8 aren't worth the time of day.
That's why you need to be an acceptable man first; and spend some time and effort on choosing wisely a life partner.
That's a good ratio to go by
Got it. How many men are worth the time of day? Min 1:24 addresses this issue.
Minute 1:24 of this video addresses this idea. It's not logical to think women are proportionately falling apart to where men are. Alcoholic? Addicted? Overweight? Unmotivated? Seems those characteristics are universal.
@@4godliv go to any college campus in north America and you see what women are like today.
Jordan Peterson, the only man on the internet willing to say “i made a mistake and im sorry”, he agrees with MGTOW it sounds like some 80%, but in the beginning of the video he was anti mgtow, good for him for admitting he was wrong
He admitted he was wrong in calling them pathethic boys or something like that, he never mentioned being wrong in his reasoning. Once you understand that, you are one step to freeing yourself from.. yourself. People who belong to themselves have little to no interest in showing the world what they are capable of.
@@marinaoana4959 people who show themselves to the world will be destroyed by it. U can have a family and be the richest guy in the world only for ur wife to run away with half of that a year later
After I stopped laughing, I had to go back and address his points:
1:10 "The women are telling you what's wrong with you"
I have yet to meet a woman who didn't do this to any man at every opportunity..
1:14 "and the men are telling you what's wrong with you"
I have yet to meet a woman who would listen to this from any man, ever.
I think in doing so I have also highlighted the real problem as well.
well, then you don't know many good women... I've eaten more crow than I care admit to in my relationship lol
The point is that if you aren’t succeeding with the opposite sex, the opposite sex will tell you what you’re doing wrong if you listen and learn from your failures.
It’s basic life skills 101 applied to social relationships.
Here's a woman who listens.
If you are a man, its not your family. You are just a provider for her family. In fact its not even your home. Its her home and she can throw you out with one false allegation. The way the laws have been made , the institution of marriage has been converted into a slave contract ......and the man is the slave. .....for the women who are reading this......Just register the secret joy you just experienced as you read the words man and slave in the same sentence..........yup......gotcha.......that's why mgtow is growing and there won't be anything you can do about it. Even if free speech is banned and all mgtow content is removed from uTube the cat is so out of the bag ......all the way out. Most mgtows have understood the dynamics of male female relationships so well that even if the laws changed and were made equal for both sexes I have a strong feeling that a majority of mgtows would not return to the marriage contract. Mgtows do not even hate women . they are indifferent and detached .........just like how women are towards men when they are not looking to get married. ..........no shaming tactics will work now. Gone are those good old days where men could be controlled with shame.
Brilliant analysis.
Who makes most of the laws tho?? Men.
"U"diciary an Ed"U"ducation Thalmudo-Kabalistic systems.
Marriage in America is like a woman placing a loaded gun to the temple of your head. At any time she could pull the trigger without any remorse, shame, or guilt. Take all your money, assets, and children, Leave you battered, bruised, and broken, then sentence you to a life of slavery, (child support/alimony slavery), while she is granted the right to tourture you, caging you as an animal, (jail) in order to force you into submission, the femininazy regime will imprision you if you are sick or unemployed and unable to "produce" for your oppressor, not to make you "pay" what you can´t but as a terror weapon to make other men comply.
Only to move on to her next victim. Only to do the exact same. Rinse and repeat.
No amount of liberal or evangelical feminist propaganda is going to make young western men remain the docile slaves of the puritan female criminal class.
They are the divorce generation. Even if they grew up in families that weren’t divorced .
This idea of women as victims falls on deaf ears.
"Divorce courts are frequently like slaughter-houses, with about as much compassion and talent. They function as collection agencies for lawyer fees, however outrageous, stealing children and extorting money from men in ways blatantly unconstitutional...
Men are regarded as mere guests in their own homes, evictable any time at the whims of wives and judges.
Men are driven from home and children against their wills; then when unable to stretch paychecks far enough to support two households are termed "runaway fathers."
Contrary to all principles of justice, men are thrown into prison for inability to pay alimony and support, however unreasonable or unfair the "obligation.""
(A wife has no legal obligations in marriage. Noobligation to have sex. No obligation not to cheat. No obligation not to cuckold. No obligation to stay married (no-fault divorce). There is NOTHING a husband is legally entitled to in marriage.)
Team vagina can tell them all day long about how women would never lie about birth control or use men for child support slavery and so on.
Who needs to burn their own hand to find out that fire is hot when you can watch dozens upon dozens of older men burn their hands and scream in pain? Who needs that?
They see feminism in every woman they know, they see competition against them for the sake of maintaining a polar opposite. they see contempt in every woman towards men.
AND THEN THE INTERNET CAME. The old media narratives that once ruled their lives were blasted apart.
They were crouching in darkened rooms: then someone yanked open the shuttered windows, kicked in the doors and let the sunshine in. Everything changed.
And nowhere was their conceptual revolution greater than in the sphere of gender relations. Anti-feminists appeared, pointing out that feminists only want equality on their own terms, not true gender equality, they want Apartheid equality, the KKK version of equality.
When the Internet came, their views matched the real-world experiences of millennial males in the west far more accurately than the stale Baby Boomer narratives they received from the legacy media, schools, parents and other authorities. And so they flocked to us in droves.
The Rutgers report on marriage found:
The odds of the woman receiving custody of children are overwhelming, with many fathers effectively being denied visitation. The wife usually keeps the "family" assets and, perhaps, receives alimony as well as child support. Many men confront continuing poverty to pay for the former marriage.
The Rutgers report concludes: "Over fifty five million divorced men in America are currently experiencing the situation just outlined. Without a doubt, their stories and experiences are heard by unmarried men."
Marriage in America is like a woman placing a loaded gun to the temple of your head. At any time she could pull the trigger without any remorse, shame, or guilt........
Murderers and Drug Dealers have more Civil rights in the Family Court than Father's have. Women use false allegations to make it seem "legal" to throw the Father out of the house and his Children's lives.
We need to stop calling it "Family" court. the system has no interest in family, so its actually a "slave market".
Yes JP. And when disabled veterans tell the boys "war is horrific", shame those veterans and tell the boys "not everyone gets mutilated. Some get medals. You'll be fine."
thats a pretty damn great comparison actually
Lol that's one of the shittiest comparison out there... as if relationships with women were equivalent as war and as if men who get medals loved war. Fucking retarded logic here. Or total lack of it
@POW!! Right in the kisser!! you actually just redefined mgtow. Too chicken to admit having to change your typicities and programmed-behaviour that is incompatible with living in a society/living with another human being. So blaming half of the rest of the world (because 1/4 of the other half are mgtows supporting your views and the rest are people living TRULY peaceful) for your own insecurities and toxic behaviour.
The court system in America is clearly a problem, a real one, so why not use your ego into changing that, instead of enjoying the role of the victim and shouting anywhere you can (of course, in online, because out in the world you get beaten by sharks) about how PEACEFUL your decision has made you live?
@POW!! Right in the kisser!! it is insane that you can apply this judgement for women who call all men the same, when what you guys do is exactly that. I agree with JP that it takes a sane woman to start telling the other crazy ones to stop bitching around and whining when it s clearly their fault that their relationships fail. You guys really make it hard for those who are willing to raise awareness.
Chuck Fina College is a psyop. Indoctrination with liberal professors. Part of a 4 phase program implemented by the Soviets to destabilize a country. Fill a nation with ideologies and it watch it depopulate itself. PEACE? more like a passive existence because you can’t live with other humans. MGTOW is somewhere between Orderly withdrawal and Escapist, Unconditional Surrender. That’s not how a real man acts. But.. do you man.
Nah, keep thinking you can assert “authority” over women right up until you get a dv or false rape accusation.
We’ll just sit on the side lines and laugh as society falls apart.
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I like Peterson but he's a trad con that doesn't want to accept that the old social contract is long dead.
Watchu mean?
I was born in 1948, grew up in the 50s and 60s. Divorce then was like a curse, a shame on the person experiencing it. Not now. I got married had two boys, divorced etc. Wife got everything but the boys quickly ended up with me and I raised them. My son did the same thing raised my grandson. I look around my neighborhood and circle of friends and find many cases of men raising their families while the ex wife gets off Scott free. BTW my sons no longer speak to their mother. Figure that one out Jordan.
I love Jordan Peterson, and I accept his point that a normal relationship with a woman is the best way to have a fulfilling life. However, women today are so completely toxic, the culture is so anti-male, the laws are stacked against us, and what's worse, most young women today have had multiple sexual partners and there is ZERO social norms left that's still enforced to limit the worst aspects of women's behavior. Given the circumstances, no man should pursue a long term relationship with a woman, no man should ever live with a woman and no man should ever marry a woman. Any man who does so is literally playing Russian roulette.
Yap. It is typical.
Women don't care with the relationship they have when they young. They fall for the assholes and cheaters because it gives them an emotional spike but after a painful realization when they are thirty and used up, they suddenly transformed themselves and become this good girl to offer themselves to the decent and great guy.
After fucking left and right when time is now scarce they now appreciate the great guy. It's really fucked up and very manipulative, especially using men to take care of her children from four different men...I also think men should ditch marriage. Men are at a great disadvantage once the woman locked him.
The difference is in Russian roulette only 1 out of the six cylinders has a bullet. In marriage 5/6 has a bullet.
@Pamela Wood Well that may be true, you are neglecting the fact that in the US 50% of marriages end in divorce, and I would strongly argue a divorced man is far less happy than an unmarried man, especially after family court is through with him.
Pamela Wood I’ve never heard the damage porn has caused on men than your statement. Pamela well said. A lot of women are unaware or in denial ( it’s probably too painful to face) of how men are isolated in addiction their porn addiction than dating it interacting with women.
@Pamela W - " its scientic factvmarried men are happier healthier and luve much longer"
pfffft No, it's not. If you had any such evidence you would have provided it to prove your point.
also ... taxation is theft.
Mgtow is the way forward
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I had 2 amazing relationship 1 which lasted almost 8 years but Im glad to be alone now. There's no point, love itself is found within someone, Im not seeking anybody but love.
Alias Fakename Yes
As a woman I think men going their own way is a wonderful idea. Have a nice trip
Except for hookups of core the only thing I was after in the first place. I feel so stupid to have taken the long road.
Thanks. We are the Real men.
I have great respect for Mr. Peterson and am glad that he has revised his opinion about the MGTOW movement. He is correct in that it can be construed as pernicious in that it is a highly charged emotional subject as pertains to both sexes. I have been single for 14 years and it is an evolutionary process. I will sum up my interpretation this way. There are good women to be found but the atmosphere is so highly charged that men become exhausted jumping through hoops and the penalties are much like a circus animal that can no longer perform..... They are now disposable. I think my father said it best.... whom my parents just celebrated their 60th anniversary... Getting married young you have no choice but to work and grow together. Today it is the mentality that you might be able to do better. This is what's killing relationships and it was caused primarily by women and the media.
Peterson, you must be one in a billion, who found a woman which is feminine, good wife and a good mother.Complimenting you in everything you do. Because I do not see a woman of those qualities in a last 50 years of my adult life. Contemporary women are not good enough to be taken in a marriage. Just look around and see them, how they look and think. Then you'll agree with MGTOW.
What is your vision of a good man and good woman pairing up to create a family? What are the characteristics that make these man and woman good?
And what exact deviations do you see in people nowadays from your vision of a good man and woman?
The fact that no women ever wanted to touch you has angered you beyond belief LOL
You took the easy way out and been blaming the system and women around you of your own shortcomings all your life.
Look at your pathetic, childish reasoning. You're an elder and not a man enough to be honest with yourself. You're nothing but a weakling full of insecurities.
Thanks Jordan for enlightening even more people to MGTOW.
Most MGTOW are not older guys. Peterson is lazy...he only looked at the forums and Reddit. I am on a MGTOW chat server with thousands of members, and the age ranges from 13 to 65...but mostly 20s and 30s. And most of them have never been married, but have dated. Peterson doesn't understand it yet.
Timothy Black his opening two minutes was basically a nawalt video
I know. "They are only concentrating on the negative feminine". Well, perhaps that is because the negative feminine is being encouraged to manifest through the legal and social systems we find ourselves with these days.
It's not the women. It's the system. And the fact that he think MGTOW are about "not liking women" means he doesn't understand it at all. He may have spent an hour or two looking at it and thought, with his amazingly perceptive and brilliant mind, that he "got it".
He needs more humility, and he needs to stop "projecting strength" as he seems to do constantly. It's irritating. Sometimes his attitude feels like a barking chihuahua, and I feel certain he doesn't realize he is coming off that way.
If that is the case, then why do MGTOW focus on women being the problem, rather than the systems that men themselves have afforded to women that only want more and more privileges in place of their so-called equality?
I grew up seeing the example of horrible women around me, but I do have several female friends that make offensive jokes and can have good fun, but are still kind and honest people. I agree that most women now are awful, but that, like you said, is largely the fault of society teaching them to put themselves on pedestals they don't deserve.
Why not stick with being cautious rather than writing off all members of the opposite gender?
You are only seeing the MGTOW that rant. Again, MGTOW is NOT A MOVEMENT. There is no leader. There are a lot of men who identify as MGTOW who are ranting about women out there, this is true. However, to understand that, realize it is female nature that is being explored. Part of "The Red Pill" is realizing the truth about female nature, and society. This is the part where men "get angry" because they have been lied to their whole lives. After that, men usually move on, and realize the system is the problem.
Women haven't changed. It's the system that has changed that has allowed women to run roughshod over men. That's the problem, not female nature.
Check out Terrance Popp's video on "what is MGTOW?" here:
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Oh.. and as far as "being cautious" that is not enough. Women change over time, period, and I don't know about you, but I don't feel good about someone having a loaded gun pointed at my head 24/7, free and able to shoot me down if they suddenly "are not happy".
In an environment where the man has no authority over his family, as empowered by The State, there is no longer a way for honorable and good men to honestly engage with women.
Why do you think women are saying "Why are all men assholes?". Its because honorable men are disengaging and walking away, for they see no solution within their ethics.
00:50 Did Jordan Petersons just say men who are sick of being taken advantage of (MGTOW) should sacrifice more in order to fix the problem?
I agree that it's not all women. It's our culture. However, while some people protest and demand cultural changes be forced, MGTOW takes it upon themselves to fix the problem their way. They basically say "you do what you want and I'll do what I want". It's a libertarian action....none of this "ever needs to do it my way" authoritarian crap we get from people today. Call me Zer or I'll have you arrested for a hate crime!
Coldrin6 ...it seems you are limited to understanding what he is actually talking about.
Jamie Jameson ... I was being a little sarcastic with my JP comment.
He said to make the correct sacrifices with regard to what women are saying about men's faults. Wise men learn the difference between nagging and being shown where to improve. And that difference has nothing to do with a woman's tone of voice. Sure, there are crazy, abusive women, but if you think they are anywhere close to the majority, then I might suggest a long look in the mirror to determine what you actually have to offer a sane woman.
Well said Dave.
Divorce rate is not a measure of sanity, Dave. It's largely a measure of selfishness.
Go to court and find out!
When you get married you are entering into a contract. Would anyone enter into a buisness contract where your partner after a few years could turn around and desolve the buisness and expect to take almost eveything. No one in their right mind would consider the situation this is what MGTOW is trying to show the system is floored from the start. When you think about the reasoning MGTOW makes perfect sense I would even go further as to say that whilst everything is nice and new and the couple are all in love everything is great but if it turns sour Men will get burned by the courts every time. Women can be so vindictive they will take you too the cleaners and then LAUGH at the top of their voice after financially destroying you. Dont just take my word for it look around talk to Men that have been through this the story is always the same.
Im in my early thirties, divorced for about 5 years now and lost everything i worked for in my 20s do to a woman that decided well she no longer loved me and found someone else that didn't work two jobs to help set up a life for ourselves. Now i am lucky that i had no children with this woman and no alimony payments which she would only of gotten for a short time cuz she got remarried within a years time of our final paperwork. That being said i was cautious to whom i married i thought dating for 5 years before proposing. But then on a dime she changed into someone i didn't know. I admit i wasn't innocent i chose to grind work but so we would have a good start in life she couldn't wait a few years till we had things payed down and could relax a bit and enjoy life. Now i have no reason i even wish to date, adog has shown me more loyalty and companionship than any of the women ive been in relationships with. I think it is wise for a young man to set your life up for yourself first. Buy a house get a prenup if you decide to marry protect yourself and maybe we need to band together to lobby for changes in laws for more equality of men.
good to know, thank you.
that's ONLY thing that's more powerful than a pre-nup is a pre-no
These days, judges throw out the pre-nup, especially if she quivers her chin and claims she was pressured into signing it.
I'm not MGTOW but I can fathom the power of MGTOW and I think they're making a smart move. I never want to get married but I want kids, but I know in the world we're living in that can unfortunately be a bad decision.
Either way, you do not have kids anyway. It is 100% risky; even more risky than gambling.
You can do, but be aware of.
Get a dog you will thank me later. And I'm not kidding
Jordan, you go your way and let others go their way.
He educating dickhead people.He shares his wisdom...
OKay, you go your own way as long as that doesn't entail blaming women for your own shortcomings and whining like a little prick.
im 19 year old male, im very good looking i train in the gym and work really hard and earn good money. iv had 26 girlfreinds and iv decided im never getting married ever untill the law changes.
He is so quick at learning new things( yesterday mgtow bad - today mgtow good) absolutely genius
I love how convenient it is for him to say that the people who have an issue with another group of people are the problem for having an issue. Ironically enough, if this were about women, and he had said the same things about said group, he would be ruthlessly harassed for the sentiments for it, and yet somehow he can't see stinging sensations of that.
Well said. I did exactly that, threw up my arms and said "Have it your way" and left. there was no way to reason with her.
It's easy don't jump into relationships fast, take your time being friends first. Labeling all women as the same is just limiting your enjoyment in life. Live and learn
They obviously took the easy way out and started blaming women and the system for their own shortcomings. ``MGTOW´´ movement is a facade to cover the fact that they're absolutely terrified of women because of their crippling insecurities.
@@alexserrano2850
LMAO
This has already been gone over and dissected a million times over. He even has an apology video apologizing to mgtow.
Shaggy he is still catering to women. Jp is a pussy- begger deluxe.
Dave Jones yeah I don’t agree with all of his views but he’s a pretty good critical thinker and very good at appealing to the masses. Anything with a crowd of people involved I tend to head in the opposite direction.
Shaggy He already did in this video.
Billy Mitchell not sure who or what this was aimed at but it certainly looks like your comment has malicious intent. I wish you a good day troll 😚
It was not a genuine apology. It was "Okay, I mumbled some words. No shut up and go away." Jordan always favors women in his lectures and interviews. He criticizes men every chance he gets and praises women as much as possible. He has mommy issues, which is probably why he married an older woman.
Man, this guy is such a voice of reason.
The court lectured me when a female uninsured and unlicensed motorist hit me on my bike, left the scene, no one helped me, I fixed my bike and chased her down to write her plate down on my arm. Took the police a year to track her down. She got a $5000 fine for not carrying insurance. Judge was a women and had no sympathy for me while not looking me in the eye. The genuine root of my frustration is my mother divorced my father when I was 5, she got custody despite being unemployed, I often requested living with dad, fell on deaf ears. There was rarely food in the fridge while she maintained her appearance. Often my sister and watched television in the dark with no dinner. My father provided stern support and discipline from a justifiable distance, which I now credit to my success. My mother threw me and my sister out at 11/13 years old respectively and dad took us in with open arms. She has no capacity to understand why she presently has no friends, income, or support. There is something to be said about the spoiled western boom generation and their arrogance. Regardless of the system, if you act like a PoS you will get yours.
Fell glad for your outcome and for your father and sister.
I have this "Fanatic" opinion that this doesn't come out from thin air.
"There is something to be said about the spoiled western boom generation and their arrogance". INDEED.
It is certainty beyond any doubt (for me) that he Same who make Fed's money out of thin air, are the ones behind.
They want your (and everyone else's) HERITAGE and BIRTH RIGHTS for themselves.
So, like Dung-Beetles, the Sniff, Sneak, Infiltrate, Corrupt, Pervert every single human factor and society. "Sun-Tse" Taliban like way.
Because God Gave It and Us Goyim (gentile-sub-human-cattle) for them.
You may find very interesting Yuri Bezmenov (soviet propagandist dissident) on Subversion and Demoralization.
Attention, the Interviewer (a Canadian plagiarist of Eustace Mulins book on the Federal Reserve) is what Michael Collins Piper would call a Judas-Goat (controlled-opposition). Watch Yur's lectures too.
Regards,
(a Spaniard)
Angel Ruiz
Jordan, get over yourself. While it's good you realize your own errors, MGTOWs are independent and intelligent enough that we don't hang on your every word. Sadly, you missed the positive benefits of MGTOW (in terms of personal freedom, growth, and independence). There is a reason why men choose this lifestyle and it's not because they're bitter about women; they just realized that marriage is not the lifestyle for them. Considering that the divorce rate hovers around 50%, *more* men not less should consider MGTOW.
And women are the initiator of divorce.
Woman meet guy in college. Guy is playing sports, following his passion. But once the woman locked her way to him, everything changes. Now that he's fat and has given up most of his life for her ideal future and family she realizes she needed a different man and thus the divorce.
Men don't understand this. It's really a typical story I've heard all the time.
Sounds sad and lonely.. why not fight for change? I.E. the courts
What can i say? The red pill isn't for everyone. The best way to sum it up is "cypher loves steak"
😂😂😂
He says mgtow is pathetic. The situation they are in is pathetic. Those who create the pathetic situation are pathetic.
Lack of empathy
Seriously...I'm female. All I really want from a man is to make sure I can do my daily activities in peace without feeling like I'm in danger all the time. I'm a no frills, not fancy kind of gal who just wants some peace of mind because I've lived in chaos and fear most of my childhood and adult life. To live a life where I have a man in my life that doesn't make me feel scared all the time would be great.
‘Old school’ shall we say. In a complimentary way. There was a time when women ‘settled’, family, children, love were key components of life. Most still want that but they all want it now with the top 15-20% of men. Some men can never achieve that status no matter how hard they work, so why bother devoting themselves to a life of toil and misery and still be told by significantly less successful women that they are still not good enough? As Mr Peterson says, as a sane women it’s your job to recalibrate this alignment if you want guys who are not in the top 20% to re-engage with women romantically again.
Why would you feel in danger.it you do, you are with a dangerous person. There are many very caring and gentle man out there im one of them.downt get narcissist typ personality mixed up.
I'd guess many clicked on this video because of the Jordan Peterson title. I noticed many comments here that seem new to MGTOW.
For better understanding, I'd recommend watching The Red Pill & Divorce Corp documentaries. They offer background to why we have arrived at this point.
I've seen both and both should be required viewing for every teen and college male. Women should be allowed to leave and go shopping or to Starbucks while the men watch.
Steve RetiredandCranky
IMHO - Divorce Corp should definitely be watched by any couple planning to get married, as the family court system (USA) does not work in favor of family where children need 2 parents and a stable home.
That said, a young couple (madly in love) usually are oblivious & can't see the pitfalls ahead, hence a 50+% divorce rate.
The documentary gives a reality check, and might give the couple cause to check in on their motivation to marry and parner choice.
But, love is blind & def.... 😉
For me, being a middle aged male, marriage is out of the question!
#MeToo lol my ex "learned me well". If nothing else I can thank her for giving me the sexiest years of her life and educating me about the divorce and family law system. These lessons stopped me from repeating any mistakes and enabled me to retire at 50 with NO debt and the ability to start a new career of my choosing. When I'm older and really retired I will go full Paul Elam.
Steve RetiredandCranky
LOL #MeToo, the new #MeToo!
Yeah! Go Paul Elam! Feminism IS CANCER!
Good luck on your retirement. #MGTOW!
PS: And GO Terence Popp! I see you follow him. I'm a big fan & support him on Patreon.
Mainline2U -
That "50% divorce rate" is not per marriage, as is commonly attributed.
It's "50% of all marriages end in divorce EVERY YEAR".
The REAL and telling statistic is that only 7% of marriages last until one spouse passes away.
Stop and consider THAT.
When I saw her on the internet I knew that the love she inspired when I was young and impressionable was still strong, and her body was beautiful for her age, her arse classic and timeless, so I made a commitment and cleared space in my shed for a 1975 Celica TA22. MGTOW!
Gentlemen: My girlfriend. www.google.com/search?q=randy+fricke+guitars&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis9K6P5vHbAhWl8oMKHTQNBXQQ_AUICigB&biw=911&bih=411#imgrc=gkgUoq7XvkyHcM:
The 72 Celica (powder blue) was my first car. Loved it. Only that ever broke on it was the clutch.
Awesome comment brother.
Hahaha this was great. 😁
@Pamela Wood You aren't going to change a MGTOW's mind by throwing around dumb comments and shame tactics; Just the opposite, in fact.
Im 19 and mgtow has helped me greatly
It will help you much much more if you manage to stay the course.
if you ever find a woman who dream is to be a housewife..thats the one you should marry. Go for traditional...and you will do fine.
All the rest that want carreers..Run and run fast
@user-bv3ke1zn4f you sir are an idiot with tunnel vision.
Go travel somewhere outside your country and outside the western world for once.
Or stay in your red pill puke and don't you dare put those blind folders off.
What do you think passport bros are doing, traveling to other places to find modern women?
like i said...tunnel vision. People like you will slowly become bitter and eventually die bitter. Doesn't even matter if you are alone or in a partnership. Bitterness lies at the end of your road if you keep traveling this path with your mind and heart.
Only Men understand and know how important self reflection is. Well done Dr. P.
I appreciate the honesty in this video. There is no overt push, one way or another, to vilify or deify Dr. Peterson or his views.
So Jordan ridicules, MGTOW then acknowledges their reasons are sound?
Patrick Germond that's called an apology
Michael Rod Yes, and its impressive he evolves
Reasons and conclusions are two different animals, friend.
He acknowledges their reasons, but he has a dim view of the message they put forth.
Jordan Peterson wants to be an MRA...
Yes, all women are like that.
@Insidious Sid fuck them just boycott
MGTOW not only seems like a good life business, but also prevents the pussification of modern men.
Jordan thanks so much for your comments. I'm quite sure you have a thing or two yet to learn about men and women.
For the rest of us men I'd suggest you just stay away from women. Learn all you can about what love is, and what it is not. This will take years, but it will be well worth it. Once you've got it understood you will be able to examine yourself, and you will be able to quietly examine anyone else.
Once you feel confident you can safely interact with women be sure to observe, don't absorb. Take notes, read them over, think them over. Take your time, then take some more time.
Men, you life depends upon it.
Think things through, trust your gut, back off and take your time, remain in control, be the boss, save yourself.
It is damn dangerous out there now.
Have the best intentions and beg God to bless you in them.
Fare-well...
This guy claims to know sane women; you jest!
This is my first time hearing about the movement, but as a woman watching the way this third wave of feminism is going, I almost can't blame them. Those naive and self-centered woman who claim to be feminists and try to convert other women into their new religion of man-hating are absolutely undeserving of a good man. Good men don't need to be brought to their knees or laid out by evil woman. Unfortunately, as a woman myself, this makes me so sad both that there are pushy, disgusting feminists on one far end of the spectrum and MGTOW on the other far end. Except that one is responding to the other, that being MGTOW.
I would say though, that running away altogether is not the answer. You just give those nasty bitches more of a foothold. But that's your choice.
I'm almost considering starting a movement for REAL WOMAN. I can't fix the courts or the system... but maybe I can at least prove that there are still good people with two X chromosomes out there.
I was unaware of MGTOW until about 3 weeks ago. I gave up trying to date around 8 years ago after going through the absolute ringer with every type of woman. From baby crazy to forever hard to get and not once did I have the upper hand in the sense that I had dominance over a situation without resorting to rude or even physically violent and unacceptable behavior. Our society is built towards blindly believing women no matter the situation and my generation was raised to value masculinity above all else. It's a powder keg of emotions waiting for the right match to strike and 9/10 times our lives or reputations are permanently altered for the worse no matter the outcome of integrity. Being alone and working towards bettering myself as made me an emotionally, financially and physically productive member of society with great hobbies and friends as well as a job in an essential field that's stable. All without a women's touch or opinion or presence. I do miss it but after a tug and a shower I shake my head for thinking about what chores and errands I'd be nagged to do or argue about instead of being free to do WHATEVER the hell I want. I'll keep things simple and uncomplicated thanks.
MGTOW is men leaving women not the other way around and MGTOWs can still have relationships and get women like dr Peterson said we dont get into relationships past common-law relationships. it's not that we can't get relationships. you don't sound like an MGTOW.
Well said Jordan, and you are a true guide and inspiration to {IMO} millions of us.......
35 years happily married who is sympathetic to MGTOW because the legal system and society is extremely misandric. My wife fears God, and obeys me because of her devotion to Christ. Unfortunately I don't know any Church that teaches women to obey their husbands in all of Miami. Only a very few Churches still actually teach women to be godly and not misandric crazy entitled people for whom Christianity is just another tool to bash men.
My son is MGTOW and I don't blame him. I don't know a single young woman fit for marriage that is not my daughter.
Jordan is out of touch with what young western women are like today.
JR Rodriguez. Most people don't believe in God these days. As the older generation dies out, religion will be less and less important. Personally I think America will be mostly Atheist in 50 years from now.
Also, I never did see how a woman would be willing to go through life obeying a man just for sex and marriage. Wouldn't she be happier to forfeit sex and marriage to be free?
It amazes me how humans don't know how to be free. Every animal in nature knows it from birth. Humans go their whole lives and never learn it.
That's a very simplistic statement from JP. He says that women tell you what's wrong with you. What if the woman is just dumb and wrong herself? What if the feedback she gives is totally flawed? Aren't we supposed to listen to our inner guidance to distinguish the useful from non-useful coming from other people be them men or women? Blaming all groups is not the answer but what he states is also not the answer in my opinion. And yes I understand the MGTOW and though I'm not part of the movement myself I sympathize them because what some of them went through is pure horror. I don't trust most women also and from my experience you give them a finger and they swallow your arm...and they ask for more when you just can't give more! Well screw that....
I do respect Mr.Peterson he makes a mistake out of trying to emphasize his point that a person has to take responsibility for his own actions, and then apologizes for it.
There's NO confusion. AWALT. Period.
Mgtow is freedom, you can't beat it
So true that the sane women need to stand up against feminist craziness. But we have the same problem JBP outlines. Ideas and words are our only defense, too, so no difference there. We all have a voice and can use it. His just happens to be being heard around the world right now. And it’s not as though most women are feminists. I heard someone citing 18% the other day of women who call themselves feminists. I don’t know the accuracy, but from my experience, feminists are a small minority of women. And that’s even including the number of women who call themselves feminists only because they’ve bought into the, “It’s just about equality,” bs. The problem is, this minority of women is very vocal, and it holds the reins on most systems of power, if counting male feminists. The good news, however, is that the silent majority is becoming a lot more vocal. And shifts like Brexit, Trump’s election, show that feminists are losing control of the reins (not that Brexit had anything to do with feminism per se, but Brexit shows the mental shift away from the side that feminism is in bed with.). So chins up, sane ones! It is working. Be nice if MGTOWs could join us and work towards less division and polarization in our world and a healthier society through healthier individuals, healthier relationships (just in general, but male-female relationships, too, of course) and healthier families. I don’t care if they go their own way and eschew marriage for themselves, but the general anti-marriage, anti-women rhetoric I see being spewed online, how is that helping anyone, even the MGTOW himself? Those kinds of mindsets don’t make the holders of them more sane and healthy. I think that’s Jordan’s point. Of course, not all MGTOWs. But like the feminists, it’s really the unbalanced ones that seem to be the majority. Or at least the most vocal. And their disingenuous, “We just ask to be left alone. We’re not trying to influence anyone else. We don’t hate women. We’re just tired of the pedestal society has them on,” is really equivalent to the equally disingenuous feminist, “It’s just about equality. We don’t hate men!”
MGTOW FOR LIFE.
I love Peterson. He’s intellectual and he always delivers. It’s not the woman or the man, it’s you. Stop looking for chemistry, observe behaviour. Observe action. Take care of yourself. Divorce is not an option. More people need to adopt this. Marriage is for life and only in certain situations, like cheating, rape, emotional, sexual, physical and mental/narcissistic, divorce is permissible. Choose your partner wisely! Good looks won’t raise your kids! Being rich won’t raise your kids! You must respect each other. We want to be understood - that’s our human psyche.
I am not part of MGTOW for now...but I appreciate it because that is the only way men could escape from the biased laws and discrimination they faced just for being born as men!
Im a girl and I think Mgtow is good
Wanna know why?
Beacause the world is already super overpopulated :^)
Go to the UN website and read the document Agenda 30 and overpopulation is not gonna happen. Wake up
I'm MGTOW..
So then by that logic if you go to a casino in Las Vegas and you lose then maybe you've just chosen the wrong Casino. After all you can't group all casinos together. They can't all be the same can they?
when I was going through my big divorce breakup I went to that group and listened to alot and came to a conclusion that I cannot go on hate race hating gender maybe its just mismatched values etc so the balance has to be found learn knowing characters etc may it be well with you
Shut up Jordan. When you have one bad relationship that could be unlucky or unfortunate. When you have several that’s no longer a coincidence. That shows a precedent that many women are not dating material. Go your own way. Mgtow. And what would you know about dating anyway Jordan? Haven’t you been married for many years? You don’t know what you’re talking about here.
As a habit, I watch an entire video without dismissing it 90% of the time. This almost made the other 10% before the main point even started! Since I barely watched long enough to see it, however, I appreciate that he re-thought his position a bit.
Only has to happen once JP! Happened to me, lost all, rebuilt it. Cannot afford to have it happen again. Happy going my own way. Warning my son accordingly.
He's assuming that women, in general, think logically and fairly in a relationship. They don't.
Men tend to see love and relatinships as a quid-pro-quo exchange system.
Women see it as a free for all. Take all you can, regardless of anyone else.
I'm a MGTOW
Eres un tonto inseguro más.
Okay. This is crap. Right-wingers are usually correct 90%... and then they falter on women. This is where taking a libertarian approach to your personal life might prove useful.
Women are sitting on a fast depreciating asset. It is crass to remark on this. But men are thinking about what they get from interactions with women now. That is very liberating. We men can work to get what we want, children, through surrogates, sex without taking on the burden of a woman for life. This is a fantastic for men. It was only gynocentrism which pushed men to realize we can get more of what we want without a lot of female negatives that we took on before without thinking of it.
i love listening to this man, he is so freaken intelligent
i mean, majority of what he says is common sense but the way he explains it for all to understand is just amazing
i would absolutely love it if he became our prime minister
Mr. Peterson, your sense of humor is part of your charisma and a good example for other men. Don't let yourself be tricked into apologizing for it.
Powerful, he acknowledge them because despite how distasteful they are, they have a valid point.
They are growing and can cause a massive irreparable damage to interpersonal relationships and modern society. Their numbers matter.
"Maybe once, but there are no more good women." Ladies, be living proof of the contrary.
Of course there are! Problem is that the ratio of good/bad ones has dropped drastically and thus dating for men in AVERAGE has become less fulfilling and women as a part of society, as a group which forms the core of society, had become less worthy of support and protection from men. Solution demands women to fight their nature, self initiatively and unfortunately there is neither biological nor cultural framework setup to help woman do that. Its bleak.
Divine Linker Huh.
Covah Redro My man is a trucker. We have 12 hard but happy years together, and three kids. I'm a licensed massage therapist. We make about the same with our very different jobs. I'm unsure which of us is more attractive, but it also doesn't matter. Not in the grand scheme. I think he's hot, he thinks I'm hot, that's all.
Covah Redro How?
Covah Redro He is, to me. Not sure how attractive he is in relation to other people, but that doesn't matter. I'm highly attracted to him, he's highly attracted to me, and that's what matters.
Peterson is (again) approaching a real life conundrum with religious bias. The more I read and see of this person, the less I am impressed.
i've been saying the same thing for years. he's just another pompous fuck
He ought to just stick to what he knows, which is the worth of statistically proven psychological approaches to human mental ailment. His lecture series about the biblical myths are especially appalling, since they so blatantly show his defence of his own delusion, namely the belief in fairy tale characters such as god. He's a loose cannon by now, commenting on world politics without knowing enough about the history behind it while all the same being considered the most important intellectual of our times. Which is a complete joke.
I wish from the bottom of my heart that there would be a time for a few months when ALL the men in the world would NOT pay attention to women or want to perform certain acts with them.
I wish from the bottom of my heart that this would happen. I would love, love to see the reactions - the broken egos, the lapsed attention of women when NO man pays attention to her, to the extent that she is a woman of charms/preferences. I would love, love to see that.
But of course you know that the world will never conform to your own personal insecurities and shortcomings.
Obviously the fact that you feel out of the game of relationships and sex has angered you beyond belief.
Come on, dude, we all have a sense of dignity and self-love. You're giving other people the power to destroy you and you need to adress that. Grow a pair of balls and be honest to yourself.
I respect Dr. Peterson, he is a great man. As for MGTOW, it's hard for others to understand when they haven't taken the red pill. The one thing I like about Peterson is his ability to correct himself if he made a mistake. That's hard for a lot of people to do, acknowledging their mistakes. MGTOW For Life.
MGTOW is the way. Freedom forever.
Sane women doing nothing to combat their crazy harpy sisters is, in effect, an endorsement of their behavior.
I love to be abused by women. Give them everything. We are their servants. Let her take everything, expect nothing in return. This is marital bliss. Amen.
Remaining as neutral as possible, I will say that most women I've been involved with, who were seemingly sane, taught me pathology. Being more emotionally intelligent, they misused their power against me and now I possess what they have weaponized. Good luck
Maybe if you met more than one of these problem women, you would start playing it safe and err on the side by safety by not getting your life trashed in horrific, painful ways.
Trying to stand up to a woman who's been damaged or gone crazy because of how men have treated her or many very abusive authorities and forms of brutality, is probably very hard, and then both men and women get hurt really bad.
He admitted he was wrong. Good man.
Divorce is that much harder to get over if you keep hating your spouse. That society turns it into a sport turns a relationship tragedy into mindless chaos. I guess it helps if you wait until your children are grown.
Or we could all learn to communicate more effectively. Perhaps in preschool instead of graduate school. Try Nonviolent Communication or Authentic Relating. I do love how he takes responsibility for his words and expressed regret.
Nicely strung together and kept in context to the longer interviews. Yup, nice piece.
At least towards the end there was some intellectual honesty on his part.
Happily married, but I understand why these men think like this, everybody should follow their own way, sometimes with company and sometimes alone.
Acts have consequences, but there are good women of all kinds everywhere, enjoy hobbies and look there, bars and protests are unlikely places nowadays.
Enjoy your freedom, good luck.
Im glad he fixed his statement and touched on the statistics in the US where MGTOW started and is biggest. Odds are stacked against men. Women are protected. Women had a movement (in different waves) called feminism). Men think about themselves first, and ppl go crazy. Refusing to play a rigged and toxic game is smart.
Relationships and marriage is not a good fit for some types of people. Some have the instincts for solitude and are more peaceful alone. That includes men or women.
It is very possible to like women, enjoy their company as friends or buddies, yet be sworn off to exclusive relationships, beyond platonic boundaries.
Peace is only possible with the self.